Re: [MBZ] another stupid oil question

[redghost]

I just wait for the french cars and some of the swedish ones to show 
up.  The BMW and VW also provide all sorts of fuse


On Tuesday, June 21, 2005, at 09:53 AM, Fmiser wrote:


rumor has it that Steve wrote:


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

And do not even get me started on fuses!  Get those by the handful 
from all
sorts of car.  I think they charged me $1 for a few hundred.  Keep a 
bag of

spares under the seat


Yeah, I never figured out why other people never do this. I get most 
of my
fuses the same way. Plus an odd assortment of other spares. Amazing 
what you
find in the trunks of cars there (fresh stuff, still in the dealer 
boxes,

YUM).

Also the PnP is a great place to hone your Re n' Re skills. Unsure 
how that
console comes off? Bring your tools and practice for free on another 
car!


But you do have to be lucky enough to have a pick-n-pull that has a
Mercedes. 'Round here there are none. I have found 1 yard about 80 
miles

away that sometimes has early '80 Mercedes. But that's it - and I've
look up to 150 miles away.

   Philip, with my own collection of parts cars on the other 
side of

the garage.

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1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA

fuel prices (was: Re: [MBZ] Bio)

[ernest breakfield]

except in those desert places where the next gas is hours away, not that
i've ever seen.


cheers!
e


>>don't complain; commercially available BioD is still $3.50/g+ here in
>> the Bay Area.
>
> Yeah, but those are California dollars.  Heck, premium gasoline tops
> $3.00 there  on a fairly regular basis, doesn't it?

Re: [MBZ] Rear window blow up?

[redghost]

I'm Ax'in because when replacing the windshield in a bug we blew up 
both the old and newer glass.  Was only trying to change the seal, not 
the glass.  German glass may have a self-destruct?


On Tuesday, June 21, 2005, at 09:53 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


Have no clue.

redghost wrote:
But I have at least 10 years on your window.  Do they get old and 
brittle?

On Tuesday, June 21, 2005, at 06:14 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Just pulled one out of a 126 I sent to the crusher, it didnt blow up.

redghost wrote:

The trim on the rear window (shiny stuff) is falling off.  The seal 
is original and long ago became fossilized.  I suspect that if I 
get fresh seal, the leak in the trunk may go away, and the shiny 
stuff will stop escaping, my hair will grow back, the dog will come 
back, I will win the lotto, but not have to share it with my wife 
who will still have left me.
But what about the original window?  Will it explode from age?  I 
know my ham handed approach will result in funny little bits 
transmogrified from my window, but a shop should be able to do it 
right, right?

--
Clay



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1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA

Re: [MBZ] A Kaleb car....

[redghost]

Hey Kaleb, I'll give you $50 for the car

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No affiliation, ect. ect.
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD
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1987 300SDL - POS - DOA

Re: [MBZ] another stupid oil question

[redghost]

Even for a buck to get in, with a wide selection of cars to wrench, you 
can't get training for less, unless you can


On Tuesday, June 21, 2005, at 07:25 AM, Steve MacSween wrote:


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

And do not even get me started on fuses!  Get those by the handful 
from all
sorts of car.  I think they charged me $1 for a few hundred.  Keep a 
bag of

spares under the seat


Yeah, I never figured out why other people never do this. I get most 
of my
fuses the same way. Plus an odd assortment of other spares. Amazing 
what you
find in the trunks of cars there (fresh stuff, still in the dealer 
boxes,

YUM).

Also the PnP is a great place to hone your Re n' Re skills. Unsure how 
that
console comes off? Bring your tools and practice for free on another 
car!

(Unless you're unlucky enough to have a PnP that charges a gate fee.)

Mac


--
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Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA

Re: [MBZ] OT: cheap website hosting services?

[Loren Faeth]

Name secure for domain name registration www.namesecure.com  at $8 per 
year, and http://www.nocster.com/virtual.shtml or www.burst.net/linux.shtml 
$6/mo for hosting.   cant beat it!  $44 per year total cost for a domain 
name and hosting.


$.02  No affiliation

At 02:18 PM 6/21/2005, you wrote:

anyone know of a few stable, fairly inexpensive and feature laden
webhosting companies that can serve my needs?

Re: [MBZ] 722.120 Tranny Questions

[Marshall Booth]

John Robbins wrote:

Listers,

Got a couple of questions about my tranny... car has 275k miles on it 
(presumably tranny does as well. Mobil 1 ATF.


I changed my tranny fluid and filter 30k miles ago... am I supposed to 
change the filter this go around or just the fluid?  I would love to be 
lazy and just get away with the fluid, but if I'm supposed to change the 
filter, it will get changed too


A much more intriguing question is when I shift from 3rd to 4th when I'm 
accelerating pretty hard, I'll get a 'partial' shift.  It feels like it 
shifts, then it feels like it shifts again.  Its not going 3,4,3,4 as 
the RPM are decreasing throughout.  Its just like there is an 
intermediate gear in there.  I think that its just an original tranny 
with 275k on it that is wearing out any thoughts?


Another problem is that my kickdown doesn't work.  The kickdown switch 
works, the overboost protection circuit works, and the kickdown solenoid 
is new (replaced it myself), but the stupid thing doesn't kickdown!


A very very annoying problem is since my kickdown doesn't work I'll 
often be in 3rd wanting to be in 2nd for better acceleration.  I use the 
shifter to put it in L and the car will go from 3rd to 1st, lock the 
tires, and shift into 2nd, and take off down the road.  It only happens 
occasionally so I don't really have that much data on what increases the 
frequency or decreases it.  For some reason it hasn't happened a lot 
lately (although I'm doing much less city driving).


All this together sounds like a Rusty rebuilt tranny is in my future

Thanks for any help!!
John
'79 300SD


As long as your driving is highway only with many miles for every engine 
start, a 30kmi change interval is probably fine. For 50:50 city:highway 
driving I can't go more than 20kmi. If I go further than that shift 
quality slowly declines and when I change the ATF/filter, there is a 
clear improvement (proving something had deteriorated or was 
contaminated). Using Mobil 1 will NOT allow you to increase the change 
interval, but the shifts WILL be smoother - especially in cold weather. 
ALWAYS change the filter at least every 30kmi (I change it every time I 
change the fluid which is ~ 20kmi).


Marshall
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RE: [MBZ] Tranny Questions

[Royce Engler]

Looks like I'm WAY overdue on mine.  Is the AC-Delco filter kit I can get
from my local O'Reilly store adequate for the job, or do I need to order
from Rusty and wait a few days?

Where's a good place to get M1 ATF?  WalMart doesn't carry it here

Royce Engler
1985 300TD Turbo 265K



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 5:46 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 722.120 Tranny Questions


John Robbins wrote:
>
> Listers,
>
> Got a couple of questions about my tranny... car has 275k miles on it
> (presumably tranny does as well. Mobil 1 ATF.
>
> I changed my tranny fluid and filter 30k miles ago... am I supposed to
> change the filter this go around or just the fluid?

With dino, I do fluid at 15 and filter at 30k.
If I were you, I'd do both at 30k.

> Another problem is that my kickdown doesn't work.  The kickdown switch
> works, the overboost protection circuit works, and the kickdown solenoid
> is new (replaced it myself), but the stupid thing doesn't kickdown!

How's the wiring & fuse? (probably not the fuse, my 116 kills the tach
and fuel gauge when the kickdown blows the fuse)

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Re: [MBZ] GASSER vs D ??

[Marshall Booth]

Dave M. wrote:
I have a few of each (see signature), and I much prefer the diesels, 
assuming
we're talking OM60x diesel engines compared to M10x/M11x gassers (late 
80's,
early 90's). My 300E has odd intermittent running problems (idle 
misfire, hard
starting, etc) that are nearly impossible to diagnose without throwing 
 at
replacing parts via 'shotgun' method (assuming you don't have a 
warehouse full
of OE dealer diagnostic tools). There are forum threads out there with 
people

trying to track down M103 idle problems, who just about went berserk and
eventually gave up.

The gassers are nice when they run right, when they don't, they're a 
major PITA.

I'm pretty sure over the long term, the diesel will be cheaper for both
maintenance and operating costs.


The bottom end of Mercedes engines (diesel and gasoline) are very robust 
and both can last a VERY long time, but the top end of the gassers can 
rarely go more than 200-250kmi before they need to be reworked. Then 
there's trhe maintenance of the ignition and emissions systems on a 
gasser that IS expensive (the newest diesels MAY require much more 
maintenance than we are used to).


As far as the bottom end goes, most gassers WILL wear faster because 
excess gasoline washes away any oil film and increases cylinder 
wall/ring wear, while diesel fuel (even in tiny quantities present in an 
indirect injection diesel) doesn't wash the cylinder wall down like 
gasoline and might even provide a little lubrication! A well maintained 
Mercedes gasser that hasn't been abused (oil is changed BEFORE it's 
dirty) may still have factory markings on the cylinder wall after 500kmi 
and diesels commonly do! Many gas engines do wear out, few diesels do - 
they usually break!


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] 722.120 Tranny Questions

[John Robbins]

On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, Mitch Haley wrote:

With dino, I do fluid at 15 and filter at 30k.
If I were you, I'd do both at 30k.


Drat, oh well ;)


Another problem is that my kickdown doesn't work.  The kickdown switch
works, the overboost protection circuit works, and the kickdown solenoid
is new (replaced it myself), but the stupid thing doesn't kickdown!


How's the wiring & fuse? (probably not the fuse, my 116 kills the tach
and fuel gauge when the kickdown blows the fuse)


Wiring and fuse are good.  Hooked a test light up to the circuit and 
verified it was on when it needed to be.  (hooked it up in cabin 
though...) so will actually check under the car sometime soon.  I think I 
checked that, but not sure.


Thanks!
John

Re: [MBZ] 78 300D driver's window Q

[Rich Thomas]

Two things, one is that the whole frame the power stuff attaches to is 
bent, and the lifting arm that raises the window is hanging up on it.  
This can be fixed either with a new one or by bending it back the way it 
should be.  These are underengineered for the bending stresses the motor 
can put on it (you can see it flex when you raise the window).  Probably 
have to do the bending again at some point.  The other thing is that the 
lifting arm is driven by a gear on the motor, and the arm has a partial 
gear on the end, and that gear and arm are held together with two big 
rivets.  I had one rivet shear, so that the arm would not move and was 
jamming the motor (driving) gear.  I fixed that with a small bolt and 
some grinding on its head to get it to fit, it has held up for a couple 
of years now.  It took some time but was an interesting way to spend a 
Sat afternoon.  Alternatively get a whole deal from a donor and replace 
it all.


Best thing to do is take the door panel off (slide it STRAIGHT up once 
you pop the rt/left/lower edge clips and the screws in the arm rest and 
behind the latch, there are 3 or 4 clips that hold the top over the edge 
of the window opening, and the map bin ears slide up from their slots 
(this is the important part, else you will break those ears off if you 
pull outward on the panel).  Then the whole mechanism ("regulator") is 
held in by 3 or 4 bolts, undo these and the arm attachment to the window 
frame (put a wood wedge in the window to hold it up when you take out 
the regulator).  It is fairly apparent once you get the door panel off.  
Then you can see what is wrong with the regulator mechanism.  Clean and 
grease everything too while you have it apart.


This does not take long to do so do not be intimidated by it.

--R

Kevin Pekarek wrote:


What is the most common failure that would result in the driver's door
[power] window of an early 123 (78 300D) to stick down?

I have already ruled out the switch and the fuse - right rear window rolls
up and down fine, and swapping the plugs on the switch shows that both 
the LF and LR switches operate fine when the LR window is plugged in, but

fail to do more than dim the dome light and generate a click from the door
when attached to the LF window.

Is there some sort of plastic or whatever piece in the rails that sticks
(grand wagoneers are famous for this), or am I looking at a replacement
motor?

TIA...

K

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Re: [MBZ] 722.120 Tranny Questions

[Mitch Haley]

John Robbins wrote:
> 
> Listers,
> 
> Got a couple of questions about my tranny... car has 275k miles on it
> (presumably tranny does as well. Mobil 1 ATF.
> 
> I changed my tranny fluid and filter 30k miles ago... am I supposed to
> change the filter this go around or just the fluid? 

With dino, I do fluid at 15 and filter at 30k.
If I were you, I'd do both at 30k.

> Another problem is that my kickdown doesn't work.  The kickdown switch
> works, the overboost protection circuit works, and the kickdown solenoid
> is new (replaced it myself), but the stupid thing doesn't kickdown!

How's the wiring & fuse? (probably not the fuse, my 116 kills the tach
and fuel gauge when the kickdown blows the fuse)

[MBZ] 722.120 Tranny Questions

[John Robbins]

Listers,

Got a couple of questions about my tranny... car has 275k miles on it 
(presumably tranny does as well. Mobil 1 ATF.


I changed my tranny fluid and filter 30k miles ago... am I supposed to 
change the filter this go around or just the fluid?  I would love to be 
lazy and just get away with the fluid, but if I'm supposed to change the 
filter, it will get changed too


A much more intriguing question is when I shift from 3rd to 4th when I'm 
accelerating pretty hard, I'll get a 'partial' shift.  It feels like it 
shifts, then it feels like it shifts again.  Its not going 3,4,3,4 as the 
RPM are decreasing throughout.  Its just like there is an intermediate 
gear in there.  I think that its just an original tranny with 275k on it 
that is wearing out any thoughts?


Another problem is that my kickdown doesn't work.  The kickdown switch 
works, the overboost protection circuit works, and the kickdown solenoid 
is new (replaced it myself), but the stupid thing doesn't kickdown!


A very very annoying problem is since my kickdown doesn't work I'll often 
be in 3rd wanting to be in 2nd for better acceleration.  I use the shifter 
to put it in L and the car will go from 3rd to 1st, lock the tires, and 
shift into 2nd, and take off down the road.  It only happens occasionally 
so I don't really have that much data on what increases the frequency or 
decreases it.  For some reason it hasn't happened a lot lately (although 
I'm doing much less city driving).


All this together sounds like a Rusty rebuilt tranny is in my future

Thanks for any help!!
John
'79 300SD

Re: [MBZ] RE: Air conditioning mystery

[Marshall Booth]

Donald Snook wrote:
I had a similar problem. I would not get any real volume of air until I was on the highway.  It would be cold air even at idle, but it just wasn't getting any volume.  My problem on my car was a vacuum leak. Check all the vacuum lines and I bet you will find one leaking. 


That's an excellent observation. While a vacuum leak that produced 
precisely THAT symptom is rare, it is certainly possible.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] OT: alternative energy - was SMART somethingorother

[David Brodbeck]

On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, andrew strasfogel wrote:

> Solar should NOT be confused with the so-called hydrogen economy.

Without solar or some other alternative energy source, the "hydrogen
economy" is just a way to move pollution and fossil fuel use around.  It
doesn't solve anything except maybe smog from tailpipe emissions.

[MBZ] OT: Does somebody need this?

[Rick Knoble]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=39405&item=4557872440&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD

Re: [MBZ] Air Conditioning Mystery

[Marshall Booth]

Don & Teresa Merriman wrote:

Hola Marshall
Where do I look for this tube?


The tube (made from foam tubing that usually will disintegrate after 
aging 12-15 years) goes from the blower housing to the cabin temp sensor 
- I've not worked on 126s, but I understand the sensor could be on the 
dash in earliest 126s and above the rear-view mirror/front cabin light 
in cars built after 7/81. Check out 83-640 in the Climate Control Manual 
or on the CD (I've attached the file). It only tangentially refers to 
the air hose, but it's the air hose that disintegrates. The hose goes 
from the blower housing to the dash mounted temp sensor in the early 
models and from the blower housing to the A pillar where it goes up and 
over to the ceiling mounted sensor in the later models (up 'til the mid 
'80s when there was another change). The use of foam (people have used 
the foam insulation for water pipes to replace it) reduces noise - if 
you use rubber or solid plastic hose it will transmit SOME noise, but 
MIGHT last more than 15 years!


Marshall
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Description: Adobe PDF document

Re: [MBZ] OT: alternative energy - was SMART somethingorother

[Mitch Haley]

andrew strasfogel wrote:
> 
> Solar should NOT be confused with the so-called hydrogen economy.

Why not?
I think of hydrogen as just another kind of battery for storing and
transporting electricity.

Re: [MBZ] A Kaleb car....

[Rick Knoble]

NP, I may need parts someday...
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD
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From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] A Kaleb car


> thanks
>
> Rick Knoble wrote:
>
> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7982301658&category=6783
> >

> >
> > No affiliation, ect. ect.
> > Rick Knoble
> > 1985 300 CD
> >
> >
> > 
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: alternative energy - was SMART somethingorother

[andrew strasfogel]

Solar should NOT be confused with the so-called hydrogen economy.  
On 6/21/05, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > The problem with sunlight is that the power density at the surface of
> > the earth is simply too low for most modern energy uses.  I don't
> > remember the figures now, but read about studies that looked at the
> > power density in watts per square meter at optimum conditions, and
> > then figured the area required to produce the same amount of watts as
> > found in other sources (i.e. gasoline, nuclear, coal, whatever) and
> > even assuming 100% efficiency for the photovoltaic cell, an enormous
> > amount of area is required to produce the same amount of power, say
> > in 15 gallons of gas.
> 
> Yup, and if I remember right, the overall efficiency of sunlight -> PV
> panel -> electrolysis -> compressed hydrogen is only about 30%.  The
> whole "hydrogen economy" idea is so easy to poke holes in I'm amazed
> anyone falls for it.
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Re: [MBZ] Bio

[David Brodbeck]

Kevin Pekarek wrote:

Sure they do. Premium is as close as your local race track, pump that sells
race gas, or, if you're not using it on-road, your local airport.


Careful.  Aviation gas is still leaded.  In fact, 100LL (100 octane "low 
lead", the stuff that's dyed blue) has about four times the amount of 
lead that used to be in leaded auto gas! It should be okay if you don't 
have a catalytic converter, although some engines may experience plug 
fouling due to the high lead content.  You won't like what it costs, though!


Some airplanes have STCs that allow them to be run on unleaded auto gas, 
so it's possible some airports have started selling that as well.  I 
haven't seen it myself, though.

Re: [MBZ] Air Conditioning Mystery

[jjayj]

the temp sensor is above the mirror behind a little plastic grill...i assume 
that any tube would be nearby...you can test the tube with smoke...if it goes 
into the little opening, it's not cloged


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--- Begin Message ---
Hola Marshall
Where do I look for this tube?
Gracias Don

 On 6/21/05, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> Marshall Booth wrote:
> 
> > If the temp sensor doesn't have sufficient air drawn across it (if the
> > "venturi" tube from the lower housing to the temp sensor) - perhaps
> > because the foam tube has disintegrated, fan speed and/or temp control
> > MAY become erratic.
> 
> Should have read:
> 
> If the temp sensor doesn't have sufficient air drawn across it (if the
> "venturi" tube from the lower housing to the temp sensor FAILS - perhaps
> because the foam tube has disintegrated) fan speed and/or temp control
> MAY become erratic.
> 
> Sorry about that.
> 
> Marshall
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> 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi
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Re: [MBZ] Bio

[Kevin Pekarek]

On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 04:46:05PM -0400, JabbaHursty wrote:
> they don't even have premium gas in california

Sure they do. Premium is as close as your local race track, pump that sells
race gas, or, if you're not using it on-road, your local airport.

K

Re: [MBZ] Bio

[David Brodbeck]

JabbaHursty wrote:

they don't even have premium gas in california


I guess banks wouldn't loan people money so they could fill up their 
tanks anymore. ;)

Re: [MBZ] OT: alternative energy - was SMART somethingorother

[David Brodbeck]

Mitch Haley wrote:

David Brodbeck wrote:


Yup, and if I remember right, the overall efficiency of sunlight -> PV
panel -> electrolysis -> compressed hydrogen is only about 30%.  The
whole "hydrogen economy" idea is so easy to poke holes in I'm amazed
anyone falls for it.



Q: We've got PV panels over 30%?


I know, I was surprised too.  Last I'd heard they were down around 5%.

Re: [MBZ] Diesel vs Gas

[David Brodbeck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 6/21/2005 12:00:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


properly maintained Mercedes gassers
 >last longer than properly maintained Mercedes diesels

 
That's the best joke I've seen on line in years!


Depends on what you mean by "last," I suppose.  If "lasting" includes 
starting in the winter without doing a ring job, I could see it...a 
gasoline engine can lose a lot more compression before it becomes 
unstartable.

Re: [MBZ] Bio

[JabbaHursty]

they don't even have premium gas in california

At 04:43 PM 6/21/2005, you wrote:

   don't complain; commercially available BioD is still $3.50/g+ here in
the Bay Area.


Yeah, but those are California dollars.  Heck, premium gasoline tops $3.00 
there  on a fairly regular basis, doesn't it?


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Re: [MBZ] Bio

[David Brodbeck]

   don't complain; commercially available BioD is still $3.50/g+ here in
the Bay Area.


Yeah, but those are California dollars.  Heck, premium gasoline tops 
$3.00 there  on a fairly regular basis, doesn't it?

Re: [MBZ] Nice-looking 123 sighted

[David Brodbeck]

I saw a beautiful 300TD parked in downtown Ann Arbor last night.  Dark 
blue, shiny, rust-free...all the things my car isn't. ;)

Re: [MBZ] another stupid oil question

[David Brodbeck]

Steve MacSween wrote:

Actually lots of cars can make it to high mileages.


The trick on most cars, at least around here, is to put the milage on 
quickly before the tinworm gets to 'em.

Re: [MBZ] another stupid oil question

[David Brodbeck]

Steve MacSween wrote:

Frankly, no, they are an acquired taste.

The wagons are great pickup truck substitutes and extra cars to keep around,
if you can find one cheap that isn't rotten, grab it.


YES, exactly!  I used to joke that my '86 Volvo 240 wagon was the nicest 
pickup truck I'd ever driven.  They're kind of similar to an old 
Mercedes in that the drivetrain is extremely simple.  Fold down the back 
seats and you can cram an amazing amount of stuff inside.  Max payload 
is 1000 pounds, and they're also rated to tow up to 3500 pounds.  I 
towed a roughly 1000 pound pop-up camper with mine and got 26 mpg 
(without using overdrive.)  I've seen pictures of a 240 towing another 240.


Watch out for body rot.  All years of the 240 were prone to it.  Be 
especially careful about the floor pans.  Floor rust is not benign on 
those cars because they support some vital components, like the 
driveshaft center bearing.  740 and 940 wagons have the same powertrain, 
slightly better rustproofing, and a nicer interior, but are a little 
more prone to electrical issues due to having more gizmos.

Re: [MBZ] OT: alternative energy - was SMART somethingorother

[Mitch Haley]

David Brodbeck wrote:
> Yup, and if I remember right, the overall efficiency of sunlight -> PV
> panel -> electrolysis -> compressed hydrogen is only about 30%.  The
> whole "hydrogen economy" idea is so easy to poke holes in I'm amazed
> anyone falls for it.

Q: We've got PV panels over 30%?

A: I just checked, there are designs with theoretical limits around 60%,
so I guess 30% isn't out of the question any more. Wow. 
http://www.nrel.gov/ncpv_prm/adv_concepts.html

Re: [MBZ] GASSER vs D ??

[Henry Kolesnik]

Dave
Thanks for the comment.  There seems to be tons of 300E every where I go so 
I have a hard time understanding why it would be so hard to find someone who 
can isolate the problem?


73
Hank WD5JFR
- Original Message - 
From: "Dave M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GASSER vs D ??


I have a few of each (see signature), and I much prefer the diesels, 
assuming
we're talking OM60x diesel engines compared to M10x/M11x gassers (late 
80's,
early 90's). My 300E has odd intermittent running problems (idle misfire, 
hard
starting, etc) that are nearly impossible to diagnose without throwing 
 at
replacing parts via 'shotgun' method (assuming you don't have a warehouse 
full
of OE dealer diagnostic tools). There are forum threads out there with 
people

trying to track down M103 idle problems, who just about went berserk and
eventually gave up.

The gassers are nice when they run right, when they don't, they're a major 
PITA.

I'm pretty sure over the long term, the diesel will be cheaper for both
maintenance and operating costs.


HTH,

Dave M.
Boise, ID
1994 E500 - 94kmi  (Q-ship)
1987 300D - 256kmi (Sportline)
1986 300E - 205kmi
1984 300D - 240kmi


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Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 07:46:25 -0500 (CDT)
From: John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GASSER vs D ??

On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, Henry Kolesnik wrote:


Tom
Over the long term are the maintenance and operating costs significantly 
different?

tnx


Gassers do have lots more parts to replace... like an ignition system and
it's controls.

John
'79 300SD


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Re: [MBZ] another stupid oil question

[David Brodbeck]

Steve MacSween wrote:

Nah, go hang out in the world of Volvo owners.

Volvo 240 owners are the cheapest cheapskate nickelbenders on planet earth.


Volvo 240 gas engines also are overbuilt, underpowered boat anchors that 
don't give a rip what kind of oil you put in.  They'll happily buzz 
along on whatever crap you pour in until the body falls apart around 'em.

Re: [MBZ] OT: alternative energy - was SMART somethingorother

[David Brodbeck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The problem with sunlight is that the power density at the surface of
the earth is simply too low for most modern energy uses.  I don't
remember the figures now, but read about studies that looked at the
power density in watts per square meter at optimum conditions, and
then figured the area required to produce the same amount of watts as
found in other sources (i.e. gasoline, nuclear, coal, whatever) and
even assuming 100% efficiency for the photovoltaic cell, an enormous
amount of area is required to produce the same amount of power, say
in 15 gallons of gas.


Yup, and if I remember right, the overall efficiency of sunlight -> PV 
panel -> electrolysis -> compressed hydrogen is only about 30%.  The 
whole "hydrogen economy" idea is so easy to poke holes in I'm amazed 
anyone falls for it.

Re: [MBZ] Quiet 123

[David Brodbeck]

Wilton Strickland wrote:

Fiberglass building insulation I put under and inside of my 123 rear seat
and backrest was VERY cheap.


Just be careful not to put it anywhere where moisture can collect.  It 
holds water like a sponge.  Many a VW camper has rusted from the inside 
out due to water-soaked insulation.

[MBZ] Zinc coated

[RELNGSON]

> < Toyota in the late 80's that produced a sandwich-like construction of
> galvanized steel in the midcdle, with a layer on either side of a high
> zinc content alloy metal. They claimed that the higher zinc content
> prevented corrosion.>>
> 
I've never heard of galvaneeled steel. However, Porsche cars have been using 
zinc coated steel since the mid-70s. Prior to that, they would rust away 
before the last payment was due.

RLE/Seattle

Re: [MBZ] Kalebs (other) new fintail

[JGraham]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4557742172


JGraham

Re: [MBZ] OM603--minor IP attachment oil leaks

[Casey & Susan Kanzler]

I suppose it's a good idea to loosen the lockring first, before 
tightening it, or else it might try to grab the whole unit and twist.  I 
think the electrical portion installs from the inside, so please don't 
break it off, or you're hosed! 

It's real easy to R&R with the pump sitting on my bench, but doing it on 
the car might be trickier in order to get a good purchase on the 
lockring with a chisel.


Casey

Dave M. wrote:


Casey,

You da MAN!! The one time I attempted to tighten the castle-type 
lockring, the
whole electrical portion turned as well. I thought they were connected 
somehow
inside the pump, so you couldn't turn it without taking things apart 
inside. I
guess mine was just sticky and I needed to tinker with it more. I was 
going to
explore this on my spare pump, but it sounds like the proverbial piece 
of cake

based on what you described. Thanks for the info!

:-)

-dm


Quoting Casey & Susan Kanzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Alright, the discussion piqued my interest, so I went out to the shop 
and tinkered with a spare pump.  The L7 connector is held on with a 
castle-type lockring, and under that is a metal sealing ring.  The 
sealing ring can be replaced from the top (if you can find a new 
one), but it's probably just as effective to loosen the lockring, 
clean under there real good, squeeze in a good perimeter of sealant, 
and re-tighten--or just further tighten the lockring down without the 
cleaning/sealant.  I used a small small hammer and chisel set to 
loosen/tighten the lockring.


Probably should add this little procedure to the list of stuff 
requiring attention when the intake manifold is removed.


Casey

Re: [MBZ] OT: cheap website hosting services?

[Dave M.]

I switched to 1and1 about six months ago and have had pretty decent 
luck. Their

home package is cheap and includes lots of space, plus nifty tools and
software, depending on what you want/need:

http://www.1and1.com/

-dm  :)



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Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:18:27 -0700
From: Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [MBZ] OT: cheap website hosting services?

I've been roped into selling some artwork and other accumulated items
on ebay for a longtime family friend, and want to set up a website to
host pics and other assorted MB related program activities.  Does
anyone know of a few stable, fairly inexpensive and feature laden
webhosting companies that can serve my needs?

This company and package was highly rated on CNET:
http://hosting.aplus.net/soloxr.html  Anyone have information about
that company?

I'm currently suffering from an ignorance overload.

TIA

Casey
Biodiesel:
'87 300TD intercooler (205k)

Re: [MBZ] OM603--minor IP attachment oil leaks

[Dave M.]

Casey,

You da MAN!! The one time I attempted to tighten the castle-type lockring, the
whole electrical portion turned as well. I thought they were connected somehow
inside the pump, so you couldn't turn it without taking things apart inside. I
guess mine was just sticky and I needed to tinker with it more. I was going to
explore this on my spare pump, but it sounds like the proverbial piece of cake
based on what you described. Thanks for the info!

:-)

-dm


Quoting Casey & Susan Kanzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Alright, the discussion piqued my interest, so I went out to the shop 
and tinkered with a spare pump.  The L7 connector is held on with a 
castle-type lockring, and under that is a metal sealing ring.  The 
sealing ring can be replaced from the top (if you can find a new 
one), but it's probably just as effective to loosen the lockring, 
clean under there real good, squeeze in a good perimeter of sealant, 
and re-tighten--or just further tighten the lockring down without the 
cleaning/sealant.  I used a small small hammer and chisel set to 
loosen/tighten the lockring.


Probably should add this little procedure to the list of stuff 
requiring attention when the intake manifold is removed.


Casey

[MBZ] 78 300D driver's window Q

[Kevin Pekarek]

What is the most common failure that would result in the driver's door
[power] window of an early 123 (78 300D) to stick down?

I have already ruled out the switch and the fuse - right rear window rolls
up and down fine, and swapping the plugs on the switch shows that both 
the LF and LR switches operate fine when the LR window is plugged in, but
fail to do more than dim the dome light and generate a click from the door
when attached to the LF window.

Is there some sort of plastic or whatever piece in the rails that sticks
(grand wagoneers are famous for this), or am I looking at a replacement
motor?

TIA...

K

Re: [MBZ] GASSER vs D ??

[Dave M.]

I have a few of each (see signature), and I much prefer the diesels, assuming
we're talking OM60x diesel engines compared to M10x/M11x gassers (late 80's,
early 90's). My 300E has odd intermittent running problems (idle misfire, hard
starting, etc) that are nearly impossible to diagnose without throwing  at
replacing parts via 'shotgun' method (assuming you don't have a warehouse full
of OE dealer diagnostic tools). There are forum threads out there with people
trying to track down M103 idle problems, who just about went berserk and
eventually gave up.

The gassers are nice when they run right, when they don't, they're a 
major PITA.

I'm pretty sure over the long term, the diesel will be cheaper for both
maintenance and operating costs.


HTH,

Dave M.
Boise, ID
1994 E500 - 94kmi  (Q-ship)
1987 300D - 256kmi (Sportline)
1986 300E - 205kmi
1984 300D - 240kmi


--
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 07:46:25 -0500 (CDT)
From: John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GASSER vs D ??

On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, Henry Kolesnik wrote:


Tom
Over the long term are the maintenance and operating costs 
significantly different?

tnx


Gassers do have lots more parts to replace... like an ignition system and
it's controls.

John
'79 300SD

Re: [MBZ] Air Conditioning Mystery

[Desert Rat]

Just wondering here for a sec..what happens when you place your
A/C on the manual setting...do you have the same symptoms? I think (I
knw, that's dangerous) that the temp sensor only comes into play when
your setting is on "auto".

John

On 6/21/05, Don & Teresa Merriman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hola Marshall
> Where do I look for this tube?
> Gracias Don
> 
>  
> On 6/21/05, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> > Marshall Booth wrote:
> > 
> > > If the temp sensor doesn't have sufficient air drawn across it (if the
> > > "venturi" tube from the lower housing to the temp sensor) - perhaps
> > > because the foam tube has disintegrated, fan speed and/or temp control
> > > MAY become erratic.
> > 
> > Should have read:
> > 
> > If the temp sensor doesn't have sufficient air drawn across it (if the
> > "venturi" tube from the lower housing to the temp sensor FAILS - perhaps
> > because the foam tube has disintegrated) fan speed and/or temp control 
> > MAY become erratic.
> > 
> > Sorry about that.
> > 
> > Marshall
> > --
> >  Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions)
> >   "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0
> > 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi
> >   Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection
> >  http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm
> > 
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[MBZ] RE: Air conditioning mystery

[Donald Snook]

I had a similar problem. I would not get any real volume of air until I was on 
the highway.  It would be cold air even at idle, but it just wasn't getting any 
volume.  My problem on my car was a vacuum leak. Check all the vacuum lines and 
I bet you will find one leaking. 

Don Snook
90 300D 2.5 240K  



Don & Teresa Merriman wrote:
> Gracias for the input.
> For awhile if I turned on the air with blower on before I started the
> car it would run for awhile, Don´t ya just love it when ya don´t get all 
> the information on the first go around, dahhh, sorry. Should I still let 
> out some freon?

What you report further suggests something related to BLOWER control and 
NOT to compressaor operation or cooling. I don't see any way that too 
much freon could lower the blower speed. I believe that blower speed 
WILL change as cabin temperature (as measured by the cabin temp sensor) 
approaches the temp set on the temp wheel if the control is in the 
"auto" position.

If the temp sensor doesn't have sufficient air drawn across it (if the 
"venturi" tube from the lower housing to the temp sensor) - perhaps 
because the foam tube has disintegrated, fan speed and/or temp control 
MAY become erratic.

Marshall

Re: [MBZ] OT: cheap website hosting services?

[Rich Thomas]

Someone some months ago suggested www.ipowerweb.com, I switched over to 
them a month or so ago, $96/yr for a lot of stuff, seems to be OK and 
not (yet) based in India like the last one I had (I got sold about 4 
times in the last 4 yrs).  The day after I did that, my son says his 
friend has gone into the hosting business (reselling someone else's 
hosting services) after doing computer services through high school (and 
making some good money at it) and could have done a better deal for the 
same or better features.  If you want I can point you to him ( a good 
kid, quite entrepreneurial).


--R

Zeitgeist wrote:


I've been roped into selling some artwork and other accumulated items
on ebay for a longtime family friend, and want to set up a website to
host pics and other assorted MB related program activities.  Does
anyone know of a few stable, fairly inexpensive and feature laden
webhosting companies that can serve my needs?

This company and package was highly rated on CNET: 
http://hosting.aplus.net/soloxr.html  Anyone have information about

that company?

I'm currently suffering from an ignorance overload.

TIA 


Casey
Biodiesel:
'87 300TD intercooler (205k) 
'84 300D (201k)

Gasser:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (184k)
Olympia, WA

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Re: [MBZ] OT: cheap website hosting services?

[JabbaHursty]

what about BRx?  are they any good?

At 02:36 PM 6/21/2005, you wrote:

Casey,

Check out http://icdsoft.com/ These folks host my web site and I am 
thrilled with their service. Always on, always fast, features more than I 
need, and the price is right.


Mathieu Cama


At 02:18 PM 6/21/2005, you wrote:

I've been roped into selling some artwork and other accumulated items
on ebay for a longtime family friend, and want to set up a website to
host pics and other assorted MB related program activities.  Does
anyone know of a few stable, fairly inexpensive and feature laden
webhosting companies that can serve my needs?

This company and package was highly rated on CNET:
http://hosting.aplus.net/soloxr.html  Anyone have information about
that company?

I'm currently suffering from an ignorance overload.

TIA

Casey
Biodiesel:
'87 300TD intercooler (205k)
'84 300D (201k)
Gasser:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (184k)
Olympia, WA

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Re: [MBZ] OT: cheap website hosting services?

[Mathieu J. Cama]

Casey,

Check out http://icdsoft.com/ These folks host my web site and I am 
thrilled with their service. Always on, always fast, features more than I 
need, and the price is right.


Mathieu Cama


At 02:18 PM 6/21/2005, you wrote:

I've been roped into selling some artwork and other accumulated items
on ebay for a longtime family friend, and want to set up a website to
host pics and other assorted MB related program activities.  Does
anyone know of a few stable, fairly inexpensive and feature laden
webhosting companies that can serve my needs?

This company and package was highly rated on CNET:
http://hosting.aplus.net/soloxr.html  Anyone have information about
that company?

I'm currently suffering from an ignorance overload.

TIA

Casey
Biodiesel:
'87 300TD intercooler (205k)
'84 300D (201k)
Gasser:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (184k)
Olympia, WA

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Re: [MBZ] Galvanized steel in cars

[Jeff Zedic]

Allan,

 The problem with the older Toyota truck beds was that they put a seam 
in front of and behind the wheel area and it wasn't properly sealed. In 
fact, there should have been no seam at all!


When they went to a one piece box, rust was exponentially reduced.

Also, the galvanealed process was done later. 89 or so

Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD
83 300D

Re: [MBZ] Rear window blow up?

[Steve MacSween]

No, they don't get brittle with age. The chances of it blowing up during
removal are about 1/10,000. The chances of it cracking while an amateur is
removing it are better than 1/50.

If you have not removed auto glass before, you might want to get a glass
installer to do the job. Around here they charge about $50 each way (in
other words, $100 to remove and reinstall).

If you do it yourself, you must be careful not the chip or impact the edges
of the glass in any way. If, when you have the chrome off, you see that you
have a chipped edge already, chances are very slim you will be able to get
the glass out without breakage. This is the way the glass is designed.

Mac

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> But I have at least 10 years on your window.  Do they get old and
> brittle?
> 
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2005, at 06:14 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> 
>> Just pulled one out of a 126 I sent to the crusher, it didnt blow up.
>> 
>> redghost wrote:
>>> The trim on the rear window (shiny stuff) is falling off.  The seal
>>> is original and long ago became fossilized.  I suspect that if I get
>>> fresh seal, the leak in the trunk may go away, and the shiny stuff
>>> will stop escaping, my hair will grow back, the dog will come back, I
>>> will win the lotto, but not have to share it with my wife who will
>>> still have left me.
>>> But what about the original window?  Will it explode from age?  I
>>> know my ham handed approach will result in funny little bits
>>> transmogrified from my window, but a shop should be able to do it
>>> right, right?
>>> -- 
>>> Clay
>>> 
> --
> Clay
> Seattle Bioburner
> 
> 1972 220D - Gump
> 1995 E300D - Cleo
> 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA

[MBZ] OT: cheap website hosting services?

[Zeitgeist]

I've been roped into selling some artwork and other accumulated items
on ebay for a longtime family friend, and want to set up a website to
host pics and other assorted MB related program activities.  Does
anyone know of a few stable, fairly inexpensive and feature laden
webhosting companies that can serve my needs?

This company and package was highly rated on CNET: 
http://hosting.aplus.net/soloxr.html  Anyone have information about
that company?

I'm currently suffering from an ignorance overload.

TIA 

Casey
Biodiesel:
'87 300TD intercooler (205k) 
'84 300D (201k)
Gasser:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (184k)
Olympia, WA

Re: [MBZ] Galvanized steel in cars

[Allan Streib]

Jeff Zedic wrote:


Ralph,

I can comment on the galvaneeled steel. This is a process developed by 
Toyota in the late 80's that produced a sandwich-like construction of 
galvanized steel in the midcdle, with a layer on either side of a high 
zinc content alloy metal. They claimed that the higher zinc content 
prevented corrosion.


Judging by the rotted condition of a 1987 Toyota truck I used to own, 
and have observed in many others of that era, I would say that claim is 
to be viewed with some skepticism (either that or they did not introduce 
it in their truck line until later).


Allan
--
1983 300D
1966 230

Re: [MBZ] Air Conditioning Mystery

[Don & Teresa Merriman]

Hola Marshall
Where do I look for this tube?
Gracias Don

 On 6/21/05, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> Marshall Booth wrote:
> 
> > If the temp sensor doesn't have sufficient air drawn across it (if the
> > "venturi" tube from the lower housing to the temp sensor) - perhaps
> > because the foam tube has disintegrated, fan speed and/or temp control
> > MAY become erratic.
> 
> Should have read:
> 
> If the temp sensor doesn't have sufficient air drawn across it (if the
> "venturi" tube from the lower housing to the temp sensor FAILS - perhaps
> because the foam tube has disintegrated) fan speed and/or temp control
> MAY become erratic.
> 
> Sorry about that.
> 
> Marshall
> --
> Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions)
> "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0
> 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi
> Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection
> http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm
> 
> 
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RE: [MBZ] Forgive my lack of saavy

[Potter, Tom E]

We are here.

Welcome. Have fun.

Thomas E. Potter
Telephone: (713) 215-2877
Fax: (713) 215-2551
Mobile: (832) 794-0536


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Chase
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:33 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] Forgive my lack of saavy


I think I just successfully posted to the list my desire to be on the
list.

I got a copy of my email in my inbox. Perhaps I'm not in digest mode. 
Perhaps I don't need to be at this point.

Someone let me know you're out there!

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel vs Gas

[BLEIMAIER]

 
In a message dated 6/21/2005 12:00:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

properly  maintained Mercedes gassers
>last longer than properly maintained  Mercedes diesels


 
That's the best joke I've seen on line in years!
 
John K.B.
(still driving a 190Dc Finback which my parents bought when I was  in high 
school)

Re: [MBZ] Re: OT: alternative energy -

[Curt Raymond]

http://www.otherpower.com

Those guys build some crazy crap...

 

Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 07:19:08 -0400
From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Re: OT: alternative energy -
To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Jeff Zedic wrote:
> 
> I've seriously thought about putting that $150 Rube Goldberg windmill 
on
> top of the apartment building that I co-own. Hey, if we could just 
run
> the lights for the hallways and outrside from it we'd save $3k a 
year!

I've got a neat article in which an old guy describes 60 years of Rube
wind generator construction, but it's a five page article buried in the
middle of a 7Mb PDF. (Homepower magazine, issue #79) 
I can mail the whole thing if you can take an attachment that big.
(I'll send it once, so anybody who wants it get your request in today)





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Re: [MBZ] Headphones, IPODS, Walkman whatever

[Richard Hattaway]

Or worse, looking up the help hotline number so he could call them on
his cell ...  (c:

Richard

--- Dan Weeks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've driven tens of thousands of miles with mine on. Bet he was 
> reading the damn instructions while driving! :-)
> 
> Dan
> 
> >Well, that would ess-plane the messed up car at the pick and pull 
> >with the noise cancel headphone box and destructions all over the 
> >front seat.  At least he did not hear it coming
> >
> >On Monday, June 20, 2005, at 09:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >>< the
> >>highway. $300. Instant lexus. Also great music fidelity when you
> plug
> >>'em into anything that plays>>
> >>
> >>
> >>Illegal in my state. You can't hear sirens.
> >>
> >>RLE/Seattle
> >>
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Air Conditioning Mystery

[Marshall Booth]

Marshall Booth wrote:

If the temp sensor doesn't have sufficient air drawn across it (if the 
"venturi" tube from the lower housing to the temp sensor) - perhaps 
because the foam tube has disintegrated, fan speed and/or temp control 
MAY become erratic.


Should have read:

If the temp sensor doesn't have sufficient air drawn across it (if the
"venturi" tube from the lower housing to the temp sensor FAILS - perhaps 
because the foam tube has disintegrated) fan speed and/or temp control 
MAY become erratic.


Sorry about that.

Marshall
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'87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 
159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi

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Re: [MBZ] Air Conditioning Mystery

[Marshall Booth]

Don & Teresa Merriman wrote:

Gracias for the input.
For awhile if I turned on the air with blower on before I started the 
car it would run for awhile, Don´t ya just love it when ya don´t get all 
the information on the first go around, dahhh, sorry. Should I still let 
out some freon?


What you report further suggests something related to BLOWER control and 
NOT to compressaor operation or cooling. I don't see any way that too 
much freon could lower the blower speed. I believe that blower speed 
WILL change as cabin temperature (as measured by the cabin temp sensor) 
approaches the temp set on the temp wheel if the control is in the 
"auto" position.


If the temp sensor doesn't have sufficient air drawn across it (if the 
"venturi" tube from the lower housing to the temp sensor) - perhaps 
because the foam tube has disintegrated, fan speed and/or temp control 
MAY become erratic.


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Re: [MBZ] another stupid oil question

[Fmiser]

rumor has it that Steve wrote:

>  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > And do not even get me started on fuses!  Get those by the handful from all
> > sorts of car.  I think they charged me $1 for a few hundred.  Keep a bag of
> > spares under the seat
> 
> Yeah, I never figured out why other people never do this. I get most of my
> fuses the same way. Plus an odd assortment of other spares. Amazing what you
> find in the trunks of cars there (fresh stuff, still in the dealer boxes,
> YUM).
> 
> Also the PnP is a great place to hone your Re n' Re skills. Unsure how that
> console comes off? Bring your tools and practice for free on another car!

But you do have to be lucky enough to have a pick-n-pull that has a
Mercedes. 'Round here there are none. I have found 1 yard about 80 miles
away that sometimes has early '80 Mercedes. But that's it - and I've
look up to 150 miles away.

   Philip, with my own collection of parts cars on the other side of 
the garage.

Re: [MBZ] Diesel vs Gas

[Marshall Booth]

Roger Conlon wrote:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I'll let you in on a little secret - properly maintained Mercedes gassers
last longer than properly maintained Mercedes diesels.


Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
http://stores.ebay.com/Tom-Hargrave-Sales



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IT AIN'T.

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Re: [MBZ] Air Conditioning Mystery

[Don & Teresa Merriman]

Gracias for the input.
For awhile if I turned on the air with blower on before I started the car it 
would run for awhile, Don´t ya just love it when ya don´t get all the 
information on the first go around, dahhh, sorry. Should I still let out 
some freon?
Don

 On 6/21/05, Trampas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> You have too much Freon in the system. When you stop the high side 
> pressure
> gets higher due to low air flow, this will turn on the Aux fan in front of
> car. If pressure continues to increase it will turn off the AC compressor.
> If you remove a small amount of Freon this problem will go away.
> 
> Regards,
> Trampas
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:50 PM
> To: Don & Teresa Merriman; Mercedes mailing list
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Air Conditioning Mystery
> 
> Is the condenser condensing at low speeds? Is there a cutout on the
> blower if things are not as they are supposed to be in the system? I
> went through the whole circuit diagrams and schematic for the A/C system
> a couple of years ago, and forgot most of it, but I do remember there
> are a bunch of switches and such that monitor temps and pressures, and
> turn stuff on and off when those things change. Might be worth studying
> the diagrams and seeing what is connected to the blower to shut it off?
> 
> That isn't much help, but in studying the schematics I got a good
> understanding of how it "works" or not, as the case may be.
> 
> --R
> 
> Don & Teresa Merriman wrote:
> 
> > Hola amigos
> > I have a air conditioning mystery with my 1982 380SEL. Replaced the
> > condenser and compressor, both only lasted 472,000 miles. Interesting
> > that the Delco Morraine OE unit only lasted 472,000 miles, same unit
> > as used on new GM products in the 80´s. The blower motor works at all
> > three speeds, the button for the automatic temp control system works.
> > The temp control wheel works OK. The problem is when the air flow is
> > slow or non exitant. Driving on the open road with a constant air flow
> > the air conditioning works all day long, the problem is when the air
> > flow is cut down, stopped, in traffic, or when you really need the
> > air. The engine temp is consistent at 80C, never a under the hood temp
> > too high, only when stopped or low air flow. When the temp goes up the
> > electric fan kicks in at the appropriate temp. The mystery is why only
> > does the blower quit working when the air flow is low or non existent?
> >
> > Gracias amigos
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Rear window blow up?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Have no clue.

redghost wrote:

But I have at least 10 years on your window.  Do they get old and brittle?

On Tuesday, June 21, 2005, at 06:14 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


Just pulled one out of a 126 I sent to the crusher, it didnt blow up.

redghost wrote:

The trim on the rear window (shiny stuff) is falling off.  The seal 
is original and long ago became fossilized.  I suspect that if I get 
fresh seal, the leak in the trunk may go away, and the shiny stuff 
will stop escaping, my hair will grow back, the dog will come back, I 
will win the lotto, but not have to share it with my wife who will 
still have left me.
But what about the original window?  Will it explode from age?  I 
know my ham handed approach will result in funny little bits 
transmogrified from my window, but a shop should be able to do it 
right, right?

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Re: [MBZ] Air Conditioning Mystery

[Marshall Booth]

Don & Teresa Merriman wrote:

Hola amigos
I have a air conditioning mystery with my 1982 380SEL. Replaced the 
condenser and compressor, both only lasted 472,000 miles. Interesting 
that the Delco Morraine OE unit only lasted 472,000 miles, same unit as 
used on new GM products in the 80´s. The blower motor works at all three 
speeds, the button for the automatic temp control system works. The temp 
control wheel works OK. The problem is when the air flow is slow or non 
exitant. Driving on the open road with a constant air flow the air 
conditioning works all day long, the problem is when the air flow is cut 
down, stopped, in traffic, or when you really need the air. The engine 
temp is consistent at 80C, never a under the hood temp too high, only 
when stopped or low air flow. When the temp goes up the electric fan 
kicks in at the appropriate temp. The mystery is why only does the 
blower quit working when the air flow is low or non existent?


The system is complex. I expect you will need to follow the complete 
diagnostic (section 83-601 in the climate control workshop manual or 
CD). It's about 11 pages long and covers MOSt of the potential trouble 
spots. There's a chance that the thermal switch that prevents blower 
operation until the engine temp warms up MAY be misbehaving, but that 
just a wild guess. I have NOT heard this particular set of symptoms 
before so they don't seem to be particularly common.


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Re: [MBZ] Wish to get on the List

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

looks like you got signed up fine, you are coming thru loud and clear

Brian Chase wrote:


Kaleb?,

Hey, Thanks for including me in the group of people that have been 
notified about this change.


YES!! I do want to get in on the list! Not sure if I'm doing what I 
should here.


I have been dormant on the list for a few months now due to some 
pressing things going on that have taken all of my time. But I still do 
have the need to use the Diesel List. I will be driving my 83 240D from 
AZ to MN soon and will have questions.


So, I hope I am doing the right thing here. I checked out the link that 
took me to that sign-up page for the Mercedes List (It looks like it's 
not exclusively diesel?)


But I also saw where it said to post to the list, email this address. 
That's what I'm doing.


Should I also register on that Mercedes List page?

Thanks! I hope to keep in touch with the dieselers!! - Brian

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Re: [MBZ] Galvanized steel in cars

[Jeff Zedic]

Ralph,

I can comment on the galvaneeled steel. This is a process developed by 
Toyota in the late 80's that produced a sandwich-like construction of 
galvanized steel in the midcdle, with a layer on either side of a high 
zinc content alloy metal. They claimed that the higher zinc content 
prevented corrosion.


 There may also have been special sealer or bondings used but I can't 
remember.


HTH,

Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD
83 300D needs engine...hmmm maybe from a 123.193??

Re: [MBZ] Rear window blow up?

[redghost]

But I have at least 10 years on your window.  Do they get old and 
brittle?


On Tuesday, June 21, 2005, at 06:14 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


Just pulled one out of a 126 I sent to the crusher, it didnt blow up.

redghost wrote:
The trim on the rear window (shiny stuff) is falling off.  The seal 
is original and long ago became fossilized.  I suspect that if I get 
fresh seal, the leak in the trunk may go away, and the shiny stuff 
will stop escaping, my hair will grow back, the dog will come back, I 
will win the lotto, but not have to share it with my wife who will 
still have left me.
But what about the original window?  Will it explode from age?  I 
know my ham handed approach will result in funny little bits 
transmogrified from my window, but a shop should be able to do it 
right, right?

--
Clay


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Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA

Re: [MBZ] A Kaleb car....

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

thanks

Rick Knoble wrote:

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No affiliation, ect. ect.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: getting rid of an abandoned car

[G.E.]

> so what kind of car is it?

looks like an early-mid '80s cadillac, in really crappy condition. 
license plate has a temp sticker on it from 1998, last inspection is also
from 1998.. 
> 
> Most salvage yards will come and pick it up for free, or, might evenpay 
> you $50 for it.

i'm gonna be going through the yellow pages sometime this evening to find 
someone to get it out of there... 

Re: [MBZ] Bio

[ernest breakfield]

RLE,

   doing the Good Thing is rarely inexpensive; sadly, that's why most
people don't seem to, and it's that short-sighted selfishness that
frequently creates many of the problems we inherit.

   JMO, but if a $0.30/g investment is too much of an effort for someone
to make to try to help improve things for the planet they'll be handing
down to our children, that's sad.


with all due regards,
e


> Speaking of biodiesel (and I seldom do) my card-op unattended station
> installed a couple of biodiesel pumps withe great fanfare recently.
> $2.96.9 it
> costs!! I paid 2.39.9 for premium unleaded today. Last week a G300D was
> fueling up
> with bio. Costs real money to save the world, I guess.
>
> RLE/Seattle

Re: [MBZ] OT: getting rid of an abandoned car

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

so what kind of car is it?

Most salvage yards will come and pick it up for free, or, might evenpay 
you $50 for it.


G.E. wrote:

A bit off-topic, but I'm sure some folks have had to deal with this.. 
On some property I'm buying sometime in the next few days, someone has 
abandoned a car several years ago. Naturally, I don't have a title or any

other papers for it, but I want to get it off my land, preferably without
spending more than a trivial amount to do so. (too bad it's not a benz,
it's some mid-80s detroit monster).. Has anyone had any experience with 
entities (maybe some charity? maybe a scrapper?) who will take a car

without a title? I'm quite confident that as abandoned property it's mine
to dispose of and just want to see it gone. besides, if there's gonna be a
non-running car on the property it'd better be a 123. 


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Re: [MBZ] Re: OT: alternative energy -

[Jeff Zedic]

Yeah, I'd like to see thast article!

Thanks,

Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD
83 300D

[MBZ] Forgive my lack of saavy

[Brian Chase]

I think I just successfully posted to the list my desire to be on the list.

I got a copy of my email in my inbox. Perhaps I'm not in digest mode. 
Perhaps I don't need to be at this point.


Someone let me know you're out there!

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Re: [MBZ] Bio

[ernest breakfield]

> All you need is a few gallons in
> the tank of Bio to get the benefits.

   to clarify, while using a Bio blend will get you *some* of the benefits
of BioDiesel, the most significant of those benefits will generally
only be in the proportion with the percentage of BioD used.


> With the local processor, and tax
> credit, the BioD is back under $3, instead of headed to $4+.  Granted
> it ain't free cheap, but like using M1 instead of Wally world dino snot
> for extending engine life

   don't complain; commercially available BioD is still $3.50/g+ here in
the Bay Area.


cheers!
e

Re: [MBZ] OT: getting rid of an abandoned car

[Allan Streib]

You should have had the current owner remove it as a condition of the 
sales contract.  Once you buy the land it is your responsibility and 
liability.


Since it may be too late for that, when I needed to get rid of the 
remains of a car I had parted out, a local yard took it for free.  I did 
have a title though.  If you are in a really remote area you may have to 
pay to have it removed but it should not be a lot.  Don't know what 
complications lack of a title will cause.


Allan
--
1983 300D
1966 230


G.E. wrote:

A bit off-topic, but I'm sure some folks have had to deal with this.. 
On some property I'm buying sometime in the next few days, someone has 
abandoned a car several years ago. Naturally, I don't have a title or any

other papers for it, but I want to get it off my land, preferably without
spending more than a trivial amount to do so. (too bad it's not a benz,
it's some mid-80s detroit monster).. Has anyone had any experience with 
entities (maybe some charity? maybe a scrapper?) who will take a car

without a title? I'm quite confident that as abandoned property it's mine
to dispose of and just want to see it gone. besides, if there's gonna be a
non-running car on the property it'd better be a 123. 


gregg aka isildur
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel vs Gas

[andrew strasfogel]

Them's fightin' words!

On 6/21/05, Roger Conlon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> >I'll let you in on a little secret - properly maintained Mercedes gassers
> >last longer than properly maintained Mercedes diesels.
> >
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Tom Hargrave
> >256-656-1924
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Re: [MBZ] A Kaleb car....

[andrew strasfogel]

Pretty blue color.  Can't understand why he wanted to push it into the
crick.  Probably thought better of it when he realized that Kaleb was
likely to pay him $500 for his dented beauty...



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[MBZ] Wish to get on the List

[Brian Chase]

Kaleb?,

Hey, Thanks for including me in the group of people that have been notified 
about this change.


YES!! I do want to get in on the list! Not sure if I'm doing what I should 
here.


I have been dormant on the list for a few months now due to some pressing 
things going on that have taken all of my time. But I still do have the need 
to use the Diesel List. I will be driving my 83 240D from AZ to MN soon and 
will have questions.


So, I hope I am doing the right thing here. I checked out the link that took 
me to that sign-up page for the Mercedes List (It looks like it's not 
exclusively diesel?)


But I also saw where it said to post to the list, email this address. That's 
what I'm doing.


Should I also register on that Mercedes List page?

Thanks! I hope to keep in touch with the dieselers!! - Brian

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Re: [MBZ] Searchable database??

[andrew strasfogel]

Speaking of the FBI, I met Mark Felt once.  He lived across the hall
from a friend in Alexandria, VA in the late 70s.  He talked up a blue
streak but never admitted to being Deep Throat...


On 6/21/05, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Maybe we should nominate Kaleb to be the next CIO of the FBI ???
> 
> On 6/21/05, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >  Let's put it this way. If the FBI (just as one shining example) can't come
> > up with a decent computer system (with their budget), what makes you think
> > Kaleb can? Hmmm?
> >
> >  He only has one layer of management to whom he answers?
> >
> >  Mac
> 
> 
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[MBZ] Diesel vs Gas

[Roger Conlon]

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I'll let you in on a little secret - properly maintained Mercedes gassers
last longer than properly maintained Mercedes diesels.


Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] Headphones, IPODS, Walkman whatever

[Dan Weeks]

I've driven tens of thousands of miles with mine on. Bet he was 
reading the damn instructions while driving! :-)


Dan

Well, that would ess-plane the messed up car at the pick and pull 
with the noise cancel headphone box and destructions all over the 
front seat.  At least he did not hear it coming


On Monday, June 20, 2005, at 09:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


<>


Illegal in my state. You can't hear sirens.

RLE/Seattle


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[MBZ] GASSERS LAST LONGER?

[Dan Weeks]

Tom: Please elucidate!

Dan

I'll let you in on a little secret - properly maintained Mercedes 
gassers last longer than properly maintained Mercedes diesels.



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don & Teresa 
Merriman

Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:25 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] another stupid oil question

Now now dudes, I drive a gas pot Benz with 487,000 miles, maintenance counts.

On 6/20/05, Lee Einer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Not me. From what I hear, the new MBs aren't worth a cup of cold spit. I
like the idea of a vehicle which can keep going for half a million
miles. For me , that means an old Benz diesel.

I guess as a disclaimer I should mention that I am an unrepentant CAB
(Cheap-Assed Bastard.) But I chose an old Benz over a new VW diesel not
solely based on cost but because the new VW turbodiesels are reported to
have issues, and the new MBs are reported to be no more reliable than an
Oldsmobile.

Royce Engler wrote:


Hey, if we weren't cheap assed bastards, we'd be driving NEW Mercedes
Diesels...

Royce Engler
1985 300TD Turbo 265K



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Behalf Of BenzBarn

Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 8:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] another stupid oil question


Hey, not a bad idea.

I do feel better.  ( cheap assed bastards )


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Re: [MBZ] Headphones, IPODS, Walkman whatever

[Dan Weeks]

Oh, you can, too. Hell, I can hear my turn signal indicators, and a 
passenger talking in normal tones. It substantially reduces 
LOW-FREQUENCY sounds. High frequencies get virtually no reduction. 
Sirens, horns, etc. cut through just fine, engine, drivetrain, road, 
and wind noise are cut way back.



<>



Illegal in my state. You can't hear sirens.

RLE/Seattle



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[MBZ] A Kaleb car....

[Rick Knoble]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7982301658&category=6783

No affiliation, ect. ect.
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD

Re: [MBZ] another stupid oil question CHEAP

[Henry Kolesnik]

He didn't need any more excercise, he was an underground coal miner that 
loaded by hand.  Tougher than  an ox., he worked hard for his money.
- Original Message - 
From: "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] another stupid oil question CHEAP


He also got some healthy exercise for free -- 


On 6/21/05, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I can't argue with his logic, but you can go to extremes.



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RE: [MBZ] Two 240D Mercedez Engines (1980 to 1985) - $500 Both need Number 2 Road Berrings

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr.]

Not really-just look along the side of a secondary road.
 
Dwight Giles, Jr.
1979 240D auto, 243K+  miles
Wickford RI
 

-Original Message-
 


The road berrings might be hard to find though...


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Two 240D Mercedez Engines (1980 to 1985) - $500 

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Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
Date: 2005-06-13, 1:15PM CDT


We have 240D Mercedez Engines from 1980 to 1985 with injector pumps and
everything on it. Both need Number 2 Road Berrings. You will need to
arrange transport from our garage in Sugar Land. 

Please contact 
Manan 
832-630-6262 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 
 

 
 
this is in or around Sugar Land, TX 

Re: [MBZ] OT: getting rid of an abandoned car

[G.E.]

Hm, very cool. I'm going to look into that. 
thanks! 
gregg aka isildur

On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
> Steel prices are very high right now. around $5 a hundred pounds locally.  
> Someone will gladly pick up that car, shred it, and have it on a boat to 
> China before anyone realizes it's gone.  Around here people pay you for the 
> priveledge of removing junk cars from your property, especially some heavy 
> domestic dinosaur.   The local papers here are filled with classified ads for 
> people offering to remove junk cars free.  
> 
> The local salvage yard here in York PA writes down your drivers license 
> number if you don't have the title for the car, in case it would turn out to 
> be stolen. Call salvage yards.  Many of them will remove cars for free.  
> 
> Good Luck
> 
> -Rob
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[MBZ] Two 240D Mercedez Engines (1980 to 1985) - $500 Both need Number 2 Road Berrings

[Rich Thomas]

   *http://houston.craigslist.org/pts/78607184.html
   *


   *The road berrings might be hard to find though..*.


--R


   Two 240D Mercedez Engines (1980 to 1985) - $500


Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


Date: 2005-06-13, 1:15PM CDT


We have 240D Mercedez Engines from 1980 to 1985 with injector pumps and 
everything on it. Both need Number 2 Road Berrings. You will need to 
arrange transport from our garage in Sugar Land.


Please contact
Manan
832-630-6262
[EMAIL PROTECTED]






this is in or around Sugar Land, TX

Re: [MBZ] OT: getting rid of an abandoned car

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Steel prices are very high right now. around $5 a hundred pounds locally.  
Someone will gladly pick up that car, shred it, and have it on a boat to China 
before anyone realizes it's gone.  Around here people pay you for the 
priveledge of removing junk cars from your property, especially some heavy 
domestic dinosaur.   The local papers here are filled with classified ads for 
people offering to remove junk cars free.  

The local salvage yard here in York PA writes down your drivers license number 
if you don't have the title for the car, in case it would turn out to be 
stolen. Call salvage yards.  Many of them will remove cars for free.  

Good Luck

-Rob

[MBZ] This is too funny

[Rich Thomas]

OK, it's not a Benz but this is too funny, from Craigslist in Houston:

1990 Chevy suberbun for sale - $2150

Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2005-06-18, 10:37PM CDT


nine passanger suberbun . Rebuilt v 8 motor . A/c auto, power
windows and locks . Tilt,interior in ex. con. Goor tires adult driven,
good inspection.

Call 713-492-0103


  

  
  
  
  


  
  
  
  

  




   This item has
been posted by-owner.

   this is
in or around Houston Tx



  
  

Re: [MBZ] another stupid oil question

[Steve MacSween]

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> And do not even get me started on fuses!  Get those by the handful from all
> sorts of car.  I think they charged me $1 for a few hundred.  Keep a bag of
> spares under the seat

Yeah, I never figured out why other people never do this. I get most of my
fuses the same way. Plus an odd assortment of other spares. Amazing what you
find in the trunks of cars there (fresh stuff, still in the dealer boxes,
YUM).

Also the PnP is a great place to hone your Re n' Re skills. Unsure how that
console comes off? Bring your tools and practice for free on another car!
(Unless you're unlucky enough to have a PnP that charges a gate fee.)

Mac
Aylmer, Quebec
'60 Mercedes 220s / '85 Mercedes 300sd
'75 Volvo 164e / '88 Volvo 245

Re: [MBZ] Adsit Company?

[JabbaHursty]

most people require an automotive tax ID number for you to be considered a shop


At 12:50 AM 6/21/2005, you wrote:
So if I want to be a shop, I can ask him for a few transmissions at a good 
price?  Or do I have to be bigger than step out from under the shade tree?


On Monday, June 20, 2005, at 06:44 AM, Gary Thompson wrote:


I believe that would be Silver Star Transmissions. They do rebuilds
mostly for the trade. I sold them a couple of cores two years ago.
Seemed to be nice, very knowledgeable guys.



Gary Thompson
1994 E320
1984 300D   "The Curse"


On 6/17/05, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Who is the fellow in Edmund, OK?  He advertised in the Star when the
trans in the POS SDL was changed.  He picked up the core from the shop
in Guthrie.  Seems to do benz transmissions.  No idea what he charges
for rebuilt though


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[MBZ] OT: getting rid of an abandoned car

[G.E.]

A bit off-topic, but I'm sure some folks have had to deal with this.. 
On some property I'm buying sometime in the next few days, someone has 
abandoned a car several years ago. Naturally, I don't have a title or any
other papers for it, but I want to get it off my land, preferably without
spending more than a trivial amount to do so. (too bad it's not a benz,
it's some mid-80s detroit monster).. Has anyone had any experience with 
entities (maybe some charity? maybe a scrapper?) who will take a car
without a title? I'm quite confident that as abandoned property it's mine
to dispose of and just want to see it gone. besides, if there's gonna be a
non-running car on the property it'd better be a 123. 

gregg aka isildur
'82 240D 

Re: [MBZ] Re: OT: alternative energy -

[John Robbins]

I'll go for one too!

Thanks!
John

On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, TimothyPilgrim wrote:


Hey Mitch, I'll take one!

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 6/21/05, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Jeff Zedic wrote:


I've seriously thought about putting that $150 Rube Goldberg windmill on
top of the apartment building that I co-own. Hey, if we could just run
the lights for the hallways and outrside from it we'd save $3k a year!


I've got a neat article in which an old guy describes 60 years of Rube
wind generator construction, but it's a five page article buried in the
middle of a 7Mb PDF. (Homepower magazine, issue #79)
I can mail the whole thing if you can take an attachment that big.
(I'll send it once, so anybody who wants it get your request in today)

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Re: [MBZ] Re: OT: alternative energy -

[TimothyPilgrim]

Hey Mitch, I'll take one!

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 6/21/05, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jeff Zedic wrote:
> >
> > I've seriously thought about putting that $150 Rube Goldberg windmill on
> > top of the apartment building that I co-own. Hey, if we could just run
> > the lights for the hallways and outrside from it we'd save $3k a year!
> 
> I've got a neat article in which an old guy describes 60 years of Rube
> wind generator construction, but it's a five page article buried in the
> middle of a 7Mb PDF. (Homepower magazine, issue #79)
> I can mail the whole thing if you can take an attachment that big.
> (I'll send it once, so anybody who wants it get your request in today)
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Re: [MBZ] another stupid oil question CHEAP

[OK Don]

He also got some healthy exercise for free -- 

On 6/21/05, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can't argue with his logic, but you can go to extremes.
> 

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'78 450SLC

RE: [MBZ] another stupid oil question CHEAP

[Tom Hargrave]

I can't argue with his logic, but you can go to extremes. 


Thanks,
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Henry Kolesnik
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:05 AM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] another stupid oil question CHEAP

Tom
One day I told my dad he was too cheap and he asked why.  I said "You just
walked across the street to buy coffee becasue it was one cent cheaper!"  He
replied, "But I saved five cents because I bought 5 pounds and that means I
don't have to make seven cents becasue there's no tax on saving."

73
Hank WD5JFR

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Mercedes mailing list'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 2:17 AM
Subject: RE: [MBZ] another stupid oil question


>I think you are even cheaper than me! That's an accomplishment.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> 256-656-1924
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of redghost
> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 1:39 AM
> To: Mercedes mailing list
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] another stupid oil question
>
> What the heck are we going to go crazy and blow a wad of cash on a car 
> that
> cost $125!?!  I shop the pick and pull so I can have the green stuff for
> coolant, and the black stuff for the engine.  Change them every few 
> visits,
> and when I get a flat, heck the wheel and tire are $8.  DO I care if the
> silly rubber's not the same on all the wheels?
> And do not even get me started on fuses!  Get those by the handful from 
> all
> sorts of car.  I think they charged me $1 for a few hundred.  Keep a bag 
> of
> spares under the seat
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2005, at 06:13 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>
>> alot of the folks around here are cheap asses.
>>
>> BenzBarn wrote:
>>
>>> That's anal, just FUC%ING anal.
>>> Why someone, or anyone would own an expensive car and then piss and
>>> moan about spending a few bucks on oil ( like the stuff was pure gold
>>> or something ) is beyond me. People pay more for bottled tap water
>>> for christs sakes..
>>> Shame on the whole cheap assed lot of you...
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>>  89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,  81 300TD,
>>  81 240D, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
>> Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
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>
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Re: [MBZ] Kalebs new fintail

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Too far away.

redghost wrote:

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Re: [MBZ] Rear window blow up?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Just pulled one out of a 126 I sent to the crusher, it didnt blow up.

redghost wrote:
The trim on the rear window (shiny stuff) is falling off.  The seal is 
original and long ago became fossilized.  I suspect that if I get fresh 
seal, the leak in the trunk may go away, and the shiny stuff will stop 
escaping, my hair will grow back, the dog will come back, I will win the 
lotto, but not have to share it with my wife who will still have left me.


But what about the original window?  Will it explode from age?  I know 
my ham handed approach will result in funny little bits transmogrified 
from my window, but a shop should be able to do it right, right?



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Re: [MBZ] GASSER vs D ??

[OK Don]

And that gasser won't be so happy after you poor a few gallons of used
fryer oil in it -- --

(Don - VERY slowly rebuilding a 117 engine)

On 6/21/05, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> John is correct. Plus, the older diesel engines are all mechanical. It's
> unlikely that a diesel will leave you stranded somewhere, providing all of
> your service parts are in good shape.
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> 256-656-1924

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