Re: [MBZ] Expedition opinion

[Kevin]

On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 06:54:00PM -0400, Wilton Strickland wrote:
> Expedition = RBV (ridiculously big vehicle).

Not really. If you have seven people and are towing a trailer, expeditions
are actually on the small size. If it's just you, and you're still towing a
trailer, it still might be on the small size. The expedition I drove was
certainly on the small size for the last three trailers I pulled. The 
project truck (88 chevy crew cab dually 4x4) and the backup tow rig (85 F350
crew cab dually) both dwarf the expedition. Even the infamous powerchoke
(96 F250 extra cab 4x4) is noticeably larger than an expedition.

The catch is that it is a teense ridiculous for someone who doesn't have
to deal with a trailer, and instead has to take their two kids to
school, and that's it.

K

Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD slipping out of gear

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

you have to have a pressure guage hooked to it, I cant give you the 
details.  There is a good chance it just needs a rebuild.


Luther Gulseth wrote:

How do I test for this?  DUH, the fluid level is OK!  PO had local MB shop  
(dealer?) check into the problem, and they told him it needed a rebuild.   
They even changed fluid and checked the level.  What's the best way to  
check front pump pressure?


On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:49:04 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:




no or low pressure, front pump messed up.

Luther Gulseth wrote:








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 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE,
 85 300D,  83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Wulf Eats Birds!

[Luther Gulseth]

Looks like the bird tried to make a last minute evasive maneuver, but  
failed.


On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:02:13 -0700 (PDT), Christopher McCann  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



http://www.pictureblogger.com/Wulf-eats-birds%21

What happens when a 300SD hits a swallow at 78 mph?
Check out the link. Happened coming back from
Minnesota two days ago.







--
Luther  KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix)

Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD slipping out of gear

[Luther Gulseth]

How do I test for this?  DUH, the fluid level is OK!  PO had local MB shop  
(dealer?) check into the problem, and they told him it needed a rebuild.   
They even changed fluid and checked the level.  What's the best way to  
check front pump pressure?


On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:49:04 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



no or low pressure, front pump messed up.

Luther Gulseth wrote:





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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix)

[MBZ] Expedition opinion

[Wilton Strickland]

Expedition = RBV (ridiculously big vehicle).

Wilton

Re: [MBZ] OM603.960 question on valve stem seals..

[Kevin]

On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 06:54:33PM -0400, Kevin J. Slater wrote:
> I chatted with Rusty (nice new feature by the way) about this late this
> afternoon. He tells me that the only way Dave got different seals from
> him was because they still had some in inventory (somewhere). When I
> asked him whether I could get the same ones he said no chance. And went
> as far as saying if I go to the stealer, they'll give me the M103
> versions and not the OM603 version that shows on Dave's site and on the
> WorldPac site too. Oh well, I guess I'll have to see what they fit like.
> Luckily I have a spare head with some valves still in place so I can at
> least get a clue as to whether they'll fit.

I'd ask Rusty for the real chickenfoot seals, and not the aftermarket ones
that worldpac is likely selling. The factory ones on mine have been behaving
for the past 3500 miles or so, and seemed to fit fine when the machinist 
put them on. Like I mentioned, they were seals with a 103 part number,
but seem to work well.

K

[MBZ] Wulf Eats Birds!

[Christopher McCann]

http://www.pictureblogger.com/Wulf-eats-birds%21

What happens when a 300SD hits a swallow at 78 mph?
Check out the link. Happened coming back from
Minnesota two days ago.




Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri
-1985 300SD, 208K miles, "Wulf" http://don.homelinux.net/mbz/Chris
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle)
-1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, "The Van"

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Re: [MBZ] OM603.960 question on valve stem seals..

[Kevin J. Slater]

Kevin wrote:

>On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 06:42:10AM -0400, Kevin J. Slater wrote:
>  
>
>>1) Looking at Dave's website and then looking at Rusty's site and
>>comparing, it looks to me like the shop installed OEM seals in Dave's
>>car, but used the ones for a M103 head rather than a OM603. Check it out
>>and let me know if you concur.
>>
>>
>
>FWIW, the receipt from the machine shop for valve seals has a 103 part number.
>  
>

I chatted with Rusty (nice new feature by the way) about this late this
afternoon. He tells me that the only way Dave got different seals from
him was because they still had some in inventory (somewhere). When I
asked him whether I could get the same ones he said no chance. And went
as far as saying if I go to the stealer, they'll give me the M103
versions and not the OM603 version that shows on Dave's site and on the
WorldPac site too. Oh well, I guess I'll have to see what they fit like.
Luckily I have a spare head with some valves still in place so I can at
least get a clue as to whether they'll fit.

...Kevin (Slater - getting to be too many of us, Kevin's that is,
although probably true for Slaters as well..)
Mars, PA
87 300TD 272k miles

Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD slipping out of gear

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

no or low pressure, front pump messed up.

Luther Gulseth wrote:

my CD slips out of gear in 1st and 2nd under a hard load.  Has to be  
driven 5-10 min before this happens.  Today I discovered that it also does  
this in reverse.  Got stuck at the bottom of the hill comming up to my  
house, so I tried reverse (thinking it is a b2 problem) and couldn't make  
it either.  Had to get a normal running start to the hill.  (it's a narrow  
1 way street).  What could cause the trans to slip out of both 1/2 and  
reverse?  TIA all,





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 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE,
 85 300D,  83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts

Re: [MBZ] diagnosing bad valve stem seals/guide

[Mitch Haley]

"Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:
> 
> You are confusing diesels with gas engines.  The economy(vac) guage you
> are talking about is only on gas models.  Diesels do not have a lamba
> system, that too would be gas engines.

The only Lambda I'm familiar with is Lambda Sond from 1978 and later
CIS Saabs. In that situation, it was simply a name to distinguish the
oxygen sensor feedback CIS systems from the ones which depended only
on the airflow sensor and warmup regulator. I would assume that Lambda
in Mbz refers to the same sort of Bosch feedback CIS. Of course, diesels
don't have oxygen sensors in the exhaust manifold.

Re: [MBZ] For Sale: 1991 350SDL with Improved Head No Affiliation

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

who cares about the head, the more relevant part to be replaced would be 
the bottom end.


John Peterson wrote:




This 1991 350SDL (135k, asking 12,900) is at a local MB dealership here- an 
honest dealership that I deal with.  I phoned about this one and it is a one 
owner with all service records.  The sales rep says that the head was 
replaced.   The fellow has photos he can email if anyone is interested.  If 
anyone flies in I can put you up for the night in RI.


http://www.carriagehouse.mercedescenter.com/mbcenter/b/preowned/vehiclespecs2.jhtml?poVin=WDBCB35EXMA574603&listIndex=1&pageNum=1

Mark Gaudette
Carriage House Mercedes Benz Internet Sales Manager
545 Broad Street
New London, CT.  06320
(800)-437-3361 EXT 118
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.mercedesct.com

No affiliation etc.

John Peterson 



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 85 300D,  83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts

[MBZ] '82 300CD slipping out of gear

[Luther Gulseth]

my CD slips out of gear in 1st and 2nd under a hard load.  Has to be  
driven 5-10 min before this happens.  Today I discovered that it also does  
this in reverse.  Got stuck at the bottom of the hill comming up to my  
house, so I tried reverse (thinking it is a b2 problem) and couldn't make  
it either.  Had to get a normal running start to the hill.  (it's a narrow  
1 way street).  What could cause the trans to slip out of both 1/2 and  
reverse?  TIA all,



--
Luther  KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix)

Re: [MBZ] diagnosing bad valve stem seals/guide

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

You are confusing diesels with gas engines.  The economy(vac) guage you 
are talking about is only on gas models.  Diesels do not have a lamba 
system, that too would be gas engines.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Now here's where I need a physics lesson. If indeed your engine has zero 
vacuum, how does the cylinder fill with air and fuel? Let's use real 
numbers, a 617.95 engine has bor/stroke of 90.9/92.4 and fills through a 
relatively small intake runner. This doesn't create a vacuum when the 
piston goes down to draw air in? There is no vacuum there? Without a 
turbo how would you get enough velocity to fill the cylinder?
 
If I remember right there was a guage in the lower part of the left most 
guage in the cluster of my 300SD that acted a lot like a vacuum guage. 
What is it measuring if not vacuum?
 
Please set me straight on how the lambda system works if there is no 
vacuum in your engine. I thought that the drop in vacuum during 
acceleration on the upper chamber caused an imbalance and allowed the 
spring force to close the contacts which enriched the mixture. If there 
was no vacuum how does it work?
 
Ken, in wondering mode.
 
In a message dated 7/28/2005 12:46:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


From: Fmiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] diagnosing bad valve stem seals/guide
To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

rumor has it that [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 > Don M.,
 >
 > I question whether this method will work in a diesel:

It won't.

 > "To check your
 > valve guides and/or seals find a  very long hill and drive/coast down
 > under compression, creating a large vacuum draw,

_This_ is the problem with this test. A diesel doesn't create a large
vacuum. One of my W123s does have a butterfly valve in the intake, so it
creates a _small_ vacuum. All the rest will create a vacuum only when
the air filter is _way_ overdue to be replaced. *grin*

  Philip and his fleet of vacuum-free engines




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[MBZ] sagging rear ends ... on cars, and springs

[meadedillon]

Loren,

Thanks for that bit of confirmation.  I may give that a try, if my new 
accumulators arrive before Saturday and SWMBO lets me play in the garage this 
weekend.  I've already got the thicker pads, rebuild kit for the SLS control 
valve and a new disc, extra Febi fluid.  Would be nice to knock out several 
problems in one visit to the base auto hobby shop.

Russ,

I totally rebuilt the rear axle, including replacing all of the rubber (except 
the rear diff. mount and the accumulators) a few years ago, so I doubt that 
failed rubber is the issue now, but thanks for the idea.  Similar ideas/tips 
about a sagging front end problem led me to find that some PO had installed the 
wrong springs in the front and one of them was collapsing, AND the rubber bits 
were adding to it.  So, I've also totally rebuilt the front end, minus tie rods 
and other steering bits.

Indidentally, are you related to the Makis in the Prentice WI area?  I went to 
PHS as well as my brothers and sister, and I know that I've heard that name 
before but there were no Makis in my class.  I'm sure there was even a fellow 
named Russ Maki that my older brother knew.  If you is he, it sure is a small 
world!

Very respectfully,
/s/
LCDR Meade M. Dillon, USNR
Digest Lurker since 2001
'85 300TD 322k miles (Euro 5spd)
'96 Infiniti I30 149k miles (wife's 5spd)
'73 Balboa 20 'Sanctification'
Charleston SC

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 2, Issue 171

[Mitch Haley]

Kayoooh wrote:
> 
> Craig,
> I just read that you paid with a check which is not a good thing to do at
> all.

Well, he can use the canceled check as evidence of a federal mail fraud 
violation,
and he can likely track down her bank account number from it. 

 
> Having said that and having looked at the auction page and also deducting
> the refund she offered you, I'd say you got yourself a good deal especially
> if the unit has been reconditioned.

If he bought a new one, and got a not new one, it would take far more trust
than I'd have to take a discount and keep the thing. As it stands, she has
his money and the pump, so he didn't get a good deal at all. This should have
been resolved by either supplying him with a brand new pump as advertised, or
supplying him with a refund including all shipping.  "I already spent your
money and can't afford to refund right now" is not acceptable.

Re: [MBZ] More towbar stuff

[Kevin]

On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 07:34:12AM -0700, Zeitgeist wrote:
> As an interesting aside, a while back I picked up hitch kit for my
> Vanagon off of Ebay.  I still hadn't mounted it, and the other day I
> got curious and crawled under the rear of the TD--voila, it fit!  The
> distance between the frame rails is virtually identical on both the
> Vanagon and S124.  So now I need to figure out which vehicle to mount
> the unit...h

Interesting. Are Vanagon hitches easier to come by, and is it a 2" receiver?

K

Re: [MBZ] eBay issues

[Mitch Haley]

redghost wrote:
> 
> Go for the big guns and file a complaint with ebay, get SquareTrade
> involved as well.  The window is REALLY tight, so sooner is better.
> When the folks start going after her money, she will pay attention.
> 

Right.
I missed out on a $500 claim because:
1. I gave the lying crook of a seller the benefit of the doubt and too
much damn time.
2. The [EMAIL PROTECTED] money order provider, Traveler's Express, wouldn't send
me a copy of the canceled money order. (although they cashed my check
for the $20 fee, I not only didn't receive my copy in time to file
my ebay claim, I never did receive it)

Craig, go here now, and start following all the steps, so that you
will have completed all of them before the 90 day deadline. You've
wasted almost two months already. 
http://pages.ebay.com/help/tp/isgw-buyer-protection-steps.html

Re: [MBZ] diagnosing bad valve stem seals/guide

[John Robbins]

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Now here's where I need a physics lesson. If indeed your engine has zero
vacuum, how does the cylinder fill with air and fuel? Let's use real numbers, a
617.95 engine has bor/stroke of 90.9/92.4 and fills through a relatively small
intake runner. This doesn't create a vacuum when the piston goes down to draw
air in? There is no vacuum there? Without a turbo how would you get enough
velocity to fill the cylinder?


So it creates a SLIGHT vacuum, not the 20+" HG that a GASOLINE engine 
would produce.  If there is a measurable vacuum on a DIESEL engine intake 
there is a restriction in the intake (ie clogged air filter...)



If I remember right there was a guage in the lower part of the left most
guage in the cluster of my 300SD that acted a lot like a vacuum guage. What is 
it
measuring if not vacuum?


As others have said that is the economy gauge on later gassers.  On a 
gasser vacuum is related to load, so you can base your economy off of 
that.  Some people have converted the economy gauge into a boost gauge for 
the diesels, but that was a non factory thing.



Please set me straight on how the lambda system works if there is no vacuum
in your engine. I thought that the drop in vacuum during acceleration on the
upper chamber caused an imbalance and allowed the spring force to close the
contacts which enriched the mixture. If there was no vacuum how does it work?


Lambda system?  Never heard of it. I'm not a gasser expert by any means, 
but I believe that the contacts are for the ignition system?  Diesels have 
no ignition.  They compress the air to the point its so hot that the 
instant the diesel fuel is injected the diesel ignites.


I really think you're talking about gassers... If I remember the origial 
question was for a diesel, which your technique does not work as well on 
as diesels are not throttled.  For gassers your technique is perfectly 
valid.


John
'79 300SD

Re: [MBZ] For Sale: 1991 350SDL with Improved Head No Affiliation

[Joe Knight]

It isn't the head that's the problem with the 350, John.  If I'm not
mistaken the 17 or later heads were installed on all those at the
factory.  Problem with the 350 is that the originally installed rods
weren't sufficiently robust and tended to bend causing catastrophic
bottom end problems.  Not atypical failure mode was a rod thru the
side of the block following radically increasing oil consumption.

joe

[MBZ] $24000 buy in now???

[Don]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1977-MERCEDES-450SLC-STUNNING-ONLY-28282-MILES-60-PICS_W0QQitemZ4565167240QQcategoryZ6338QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

(1977  Mercedes-Benz : SL-Class  450 SLC)
-- 
Some folks march to the beat of a different drummer.
I don't even need the drum.

-

LT Don 
1977 Mercedes 240D (Slug) 
1972 Honda CB-500K

Re: [MBZ] OT: 98 Expedition opinions?

[Don]

That was exactly the first thing that popped into my mind, Loren! 

On 7/28/05, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> They suck gas.   Hope he has lots of money to put into it.



-- 
Some folks march to the beat of a different drummer.
I don't even need the drum.

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1977 Mercedes 240D (Slug) 
1972 Honda CB-500K

[MBZ] For Sale: 1991 350SDL with Improved Head No Affiliation

[John Peterson]

This 1991 350SDL (135k, asking 12,900) is at a local MB dealership here- an 
honest dealership that I deal with.  I phoned about this one and it is a one 
owner with all service records.  The sales rep says that the head was 
replaced.   The fellow has photos he can email if anyone is interested.  If 
anyone flies in I can put you up for the night in RI.


http://www.carriagehouse.mercedescenter.com/mbcenter/b/preowned/vehiclespecs2.jhtml?poVin=WDBCB35EXMA574603&listIndex=1&pageNum=1

Mark Gaudette
Carriage House Mercedes Benz Internet Sales Manager
545 Broad Street
New London, CT.  06320
(800)-437-3361 EXT 118
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.mercedesct.com

No affiliation etc.

John Peterson 

Re: [MBZ] OM603.960 question on valve stem seals..

[Joe Knight]

At least fairly currently, the p/n's are similar but not identical. 
Seal kit for my 124.193 is 103 050 00 58; kit for a 103.983, as found
in the 124.030, is 103 050 01 58.  Previous #'s for the 603.960 were
603 050 02 67, and before that 603 050 01 67.

joe

Re: [MBZ] diagnosing bad valve stem seals/guide

[Desert Rat]

MB never sold a diesel with a vacuum gauge..gas models, yes.

On 7/28/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Now here's where I need a physics lesson. If indeed your engine has zero
> vacuum, how does the cylinder fill with air and fuel? Let's use real
> numbers, a 617.95 engine has bor/stroke of 90.9/92.4 and fills through a
> relatively small intake runner. This doesn't create a vacuum when the piston
> goes down to draw air in? There is no vacuum there? Without a turbo how
> would you get enough velocity to fill the cylinder? 
>  
> If I remember right there was a guage in the lower part of the left most
> guage in the cluster of my 300SD that acted a lot like a vacuum guage. What
> is it measuring if not vacuum? 
>  
> Please set me straight on how the lambda system works if there is no vacuum
> in your engine. I thought that the drop in vacuum during acceleration on the
> upper chamber caused an imbalance and allowed the spring force to close the
> contacts which enriched the mixture. If there was no vacuum how does it
> work? 
>  
> Ken, in wondering mode. 
>  
> In a message dated 7/28/2005 12:46:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> From: Fmiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] diagnosing bad valve stem seals/guide
> To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> 
> rumor has it that [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Don M.,
> > 
> > I question whether this method will work in a diesel:
> 
> It won't.
> 
> > "To check your
> > valve guides and/or seals find a  very long hill and drive/coast down
> > under compression, creating a large vacuum draw, 
> 
> _This_ is the problem with this test. A diesel doesn't create a large
> vacuum. One of my W123s does have a butterfly valve in the intake, so it
> creates a _small_ vacuum. All the rest will create a vacuum only when
> the air filter is _way_ overdue to be replaced. *grin*
> 
>   Philip and his fleet of vacuum-free engines
> 
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1985 380SL

Re: [MBZ] OT: 98 Expedition opinions?

[Loren Faeth]

They suck gas.   Hope he has lots of money to put into it.


At 03:15 PM 7/28/2005, you wrote:

Hey all you Ford guys, anyone care to chime in on the reliability of the
98 Expedition? My brother up in MN is looking at a used one and I figured
some of you guys might have an opinion one way or t'other.

...Kevin


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Re: [MBZ] diagnosing bad valve stem seals/guide

[Bucks2]

Now here's where I need a physics lesson. If indeed your engine has zero 
vacuum, how does the cylinder fill with air and fuel? Let's use real numbers, a 
617.95 engine has bor/stroke of 90.9/92.4 and fills through a relatively small 
intake runner. This doesn't create a vacuum when the piston goes down to draw 
air in? There is no vacuum there? Without a turbo how would you get enough 
velocity to fill the cylinder? 

If I remember right there was a guage in the lower part of the left most 
guage in the cluster of my 300SD that acted a lot like a vacuum guage. What is 
it 
measuring if not vacuum? 

Please set me straight on how the lambda system works if there is no vacuum 
in your engine. I thought that the drop in vacuum during acceleration on the 
upper chamber caused an imbalance and allowed the spring force to close the 
contacts which enriched the mixture. If there was no vacuum how does it work? 

Ken, in wondering mode. 

In a message dated 7/28/2005 12:46:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From: Fmiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] diagnosing bad valve stem seals/guide
To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

rumor has it that [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Don M.,
> 
> I question whether this method will work in a diesel:

It won't.

> "To check your
> valve guides and/or seals find a  very long hill and drive/coast down
> under compression, creating a large vacuum draw, 

_This_ is the problem with this test. A diesel doesn't create a large
vacuum. One of my W123s does have a butterfly valve in the intake, so it
creates a _small_ vacuum. All the rest will create a vacuum only when
the air filter is _way_ overdue to be replaced. *grin*

  Philip and his fleet of vacuum-free engines

Re: [MBZ] OM603.960 question on valve stem seals..

[Kevin]

On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 06:42:10AM -0400, Kevin J. Slater wrote:
> 1) Looking at Dave's website and then looking at Rusty's site and
> comparing, it looks to me like the shop installed OEM seals in Dave's
> car, but used the ones for a M103 head rather than a OM603. Check it out
> and let me know if you concur.

FWIW, the receipt from the machine shop for valve seals has a 103 part number.

K

Re: [MBZ] OT: 98 Expedition opinions?

[Kevin]

On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 04:15:23PM -0400, Kevin J. Slater wrote:
> Hey all you Ford guys, anyone care to chime in on the reliability of the
> 98 Expedition? My brother up in MN is looking at a used one and I figured
> some of you guys might have an opinion one way or t'other.

Ford guys? 

About all I can remember about expeditions is the passenger side head
gasket or head was excessively prone to requiring replacement. There may
have been a recall, can't remember. Either way, you can take the VIN to a
Ford dealer and have them punch it up on OASIS to see if it has had all its
safety recalls performed. The head issue is only a 5.4L thing, the crown
vics were the sorting-out ground for the 4.6 heads.

Don't know much about the two-by's. A 4x4 with a 5.4 liter is a bit of a
thirsty beast (14 on the highway if it's flat, with a tail wind, and the
cruise is set at a reasonable speed, forget it around town), and supposedly
the 4.6 is a bit less thirsty. I have a crown vic with the 4.6 and have
driven an expedition with a 5.4, and I don't know if I'd really want to
have the 4.6 in anything I needed to tow trailers with. As a family truckster,
it should be fine.

The engine itself (aside from a possible head issue) is fairly solid, and the
torque out of the 5.4 is fairly impressive. The transmission is basically a
big AOD, unless you have a california truck with a 5.4. Either transmission,
the weak link is the torque converter, which is hypersensitive to fluid 
quality. Fluid that still looks and smells good might not be good enough
to prevent the torque converter from chattering. A trans service usually fixes
this, and it's usually only noticed in higher mileage beasts. Aside from that,
DO NOT OVERHEAT A FORD OHC V8. The heads will spider, and the heads are
quite expensive. Change the coolant religiously.

For my money and gas mileage, the expedition didn't get appreciably better
mileage than my 77 cherokee (think wagoneer without wood panelling) with
a 6.6L v8, automatic, and full time four wheel drive. Needles to say, the
cherokee wheels far better, and is a lot more fun to drive. And no expedition
(not even a CHP equipped one) left a stopsign with as much authority as that
cherokee does.

K

Re: [MBZ] OT: 98 Expedition opinions?

[Desert Rat]

Kevin, if it has the 5.8(?) engine I understand they had some major
issues with the head or internal engine pieces...not sure which.
Nothing bad to report concerning the smaller V8.


On 7/28/05, Kevin J. Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey all you Ford guys, anyone care to chime in on the reliability of the
> 98 Expedition? My brother up in MN is looking at a used one and I figured
> some of you guys might have an opinion one way or t'other.
> 
> ...Kevin
> 
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1992 500 SEL
1985 380SL

[MBZ] OT: 98 Expedition opinions?

[Kevin J. Slater]

Hey all you Ford guys, anyone care to chime in on the reliability of the
98 Expedition? My brother up in MN is looking at a used one and I figured
some of you guys might have an opinion one way or t'other.

...Kevin

Re: [MBZ] OM603.960 question on valve stem seals..

[Kevin J. Slater]

Oh great, sounds like I'll be getting the wrong ones then.

Hursty or Rusty can one of you comment? Sku on my order was A8069-23971.

...Kevin

Dave M. said:
> I looked up the part number for OM603 valve seals and ordered them
> (aftermarket) from Rusty wy back during the head replacement job.
> When I replaced them due to the smoking, I ordered the same part
> number from Rusty but this time specified OE dealer parts, and got the
> other style that time. If you look at the EPC, the original OM603 part
> was superceded and MB now specifies the same seal kit for both M103
> and OM603 engines.
>
> =)
>
> +dm
>
>> --
>> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:42:10 -0400
>> From: "Kevin J. Slater"
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603.960 question on valve stem seals..
>>
>> Joe,
>>
>> a couple of things:
>>
>> 1) Looking at Dave's website and then looking at Rusty's site and
>> comparing, it looks to me like the shop installed OEM seals in Dave's
>> car, but used the ones for a M103 head rather than a OM603. Check it out
>> and let me know if you concur.

Re: [MBZ] My newest diesel

[brian toscano]

The areas where I have and will have land are very hilly!
It does have a ROPS but no seat belt.

Brian





On 7/28/05, Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not sure what your terrain is like there, but ROPS is critical on
> anything but pool table flat landscape.  I used to mow my 20 acres
> with an old Ford 2N w/out ROPS and it was pucker factor +10 every time
> the rear wheels dipped down a few degrees--very scary!  I still need
> to weld up a rollbar for my Iseki w/FEL.  Sounds like a nice tractor,
> and it should give good service for a long period of time.
> 
> On 7/28/05, brian toscano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Early 1980's Kubota L305DT - 30HP, 4WD, FEL. :)
> >
> > Not a Mercedes, but it sure is neat!  It has fresh paint, new ag
> > tires, hydraulics look good, and a ROPS.  It holds 8.8 gallons of
> > diesel, 6.1 quarts of coolant, 6.6 quarts of oil, and 31.7 quarts of
> > transmission/hydraulic fluid.
> 
> Casey
> Biodiesel:
> '87 300TD intercooler (206k)
> '84 300D (202k)
> Gashuffer:
> '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (184k)
> Olympia, WA
>

Re: [MBZ] My newest diesel

[Zeitgeist]

Not sure what your terrain is like there, but ROPS is critical on
anything but pool table flat landscape.  I used to mow my 20 acres
with an old Ford 2N w/out ROPS and it was pucker factor +10 every time
the rear wheels dipped down a few degrees--very scary!  I still need
to weld up a rollbar for my Iseki w/FEL.  Sounds like a nice tractor,
and it should give good service for a long period of time.

On 7/28/05, brian toscano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Early 1980's Kubota L305DT - 30HP, 4WD, FEL. :)
> 
> Not a Mercedes, but it sure is neat!  It has fresh paint, new ag
> tires, hydraulics look good, and a ROPS.  It holds 8.8 gallons of
> diesel, 6.1 quarts of coolant, 6.6 quarts of oil, and 31.7 quarts of
> transmission/hydraulic fluid.

Casey
Biodiesel:
'87 300TD intercooler (206k) 
'84 300D (202k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (184k)
Olympia, WA

Re: [MBZ] OT BMW 524TD $800 in Vancouver, WA

[kevin kraly]

Kevin,

I wasn't planning to buy the car, just passing on the info to someone who 
may want to tinker with something different.  I think that I'm going to 
stick with my ol' '78 300CD with the bulletproof 617.912 3.slow liter NA 
diesel engine.  I've gone back and forth and back again about selling the 
car, but have now decided to keep it and start picking away at it to make it 
the #2 or #3 car it deserves to be.


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon

1978 300CD 200K+ miles, Vinnie 

Re: [MBZ] OM603.960 question on valve stem seals..

[Dave M.]

I looked up the part number for OM603 valve seals and ordered them
(aftermarket) from Rusty wy back during the head replacement job.
When I replaced them due to the smoking, I ordered the same part
number from Rusty but this time specified OE dealer parts, and got the
other style that time. If you look at the EPC, the original OM603 part
was superceded and MB now specifies the same seal kit for both M103
and OM603 engines.

=)

+dm

> --
> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:42:10 -0400
> From: "Kevin J. Slater" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603.960 question on valve stem seals..
> 
> Joe,
> 
> a couple of things:
> 
> 1) Looking at Dave's website and then looking at Rusty's site and
> comparing, it looks to me like the shop installed OEM seals in Dave's
> car, but used the ones for a M103 head rather than a OM603. Check it out
> and let me know if you concur.

Re: [MBZ] OM603.960 question on valve stem seals..

[Dave M.]

Joe is correct, those were my exact symptoms. Idle for 30 seconds when
warm, then rev it up and it blows blue smoke. On my car it was a
dislodged seal on an exhaust valve. The oil was leaking past the stem
and getting blown into the manifold, where it was burning somewhere in
the exhaust stream, I presume. If it's an intake seal the symptoms may
be slightly different? Make sure you use OE/dealer seals from Rusty,
not the aftermarket ones  (they're different - see photo below.)

http://www.w124performance.com/images/OM603_head_replacement/valve_seals.jpg

:-)

-- 
Dave M.
Boise, ID
1994 E500 - 94kmi  (Q-ship)
1987 300D - 258kmi (Sportline)


>Wish I had a better understanding of that as well.  All I know is that
>Spud had very nearly those same symptoms, smoke when leaving a stop w/
>a warm engine,  and he reported that new seals solved the problem on
>his car.  I'll cc this to him on the chance he'll be able to enlighten
>us.
>
>j
>
>On 7/28/05, Kevin J. Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Joe,
>> 
>> "leave the originals alone" is just what I did. My #17 head was from a
>> wrecker down in TN somewhere south of Nashville. I needed to get my car
>> back on the road so I guess I took the shortcut of not even looking at the
>> seals. It was Dave M that put me on to the consideration that they may be
>> my blue smoke problem. The smoke only shows up on a warmed engine, after
>> idling for a while and then starting off, it produces blue smoke. The
>> exhaust odor isn't the normal diesel smell either. It has a burnt oil
>> smell, but worse, maybe b/c of the Mobil 1? (Never burned that stuff so I
>> don't know what it should smell like.) I did have the foresight to replace
>> the bad hydraulic valve caps/lifters/whateverthey'recalled.
>> 
>> In any case I still have the question of where is the oil actually going
>> during this process that produces blue smoke? Is it leaking down into the
>> combustion chamber and being ignited? Leaked into the exhaust manifold and
>> vaporizing from the heat? Understanding that process and having a look at
>> the old head would go a long way towards my confidence about tackling this
>> job.
>>

Re: [MBZ] OT BMW 524TD $800 in Vancouver, WA

[Kevin]

On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 12:25:55PM -0700, kevin kraly wrote:
> I'm sure somebody wants this to play around with, and at $800 for a running 
> car, it sounds fun!  It's a 1985, 192K miles, Auto, new GP's, starter, and 
> good tires.
> 
> http://portland.craigslist.org/car/87509231.html

Be careful, the heads are more prone to cracking than 603.96 heads, and
a bit more expensive to deal with.

K

Re: [MBZ] Mog Journal

[TimothyPilgrim]

Find Mog magazines here. There's a link to the archive at the bottom left.

http://www2.mercedes-benz.co.uk/content/unitedkingdom/mpc/mpc_unitedkingdom_website/en/home_mpc/unimog/home/unimog_world/unimog_magazine.html

or

http://tinyurl.com/amxu4

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 7/28/05, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I came across the UK Unimog Journal.  It appears to be the black only color
> separation of a color magazine, but contains the text.  Some pretty
> interesting articles for Moggers or Mogger wannabes.
> 
> Question?  Is there a mog built that would deliver 80 to 100 hp with Diesel
> and could have a sustained rear pto load of 50-60 hp?
> 
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[MBZ] OT BMW 524TD $800 in Vancouver, WA

[kevin kraly]

I'm sure somebody wants this to play around with, and at $800 for a running 
car, it sounds fun!  It's a 1985, 192K miles, Auto, new GP's, starter, and 
good tires.


http://portland.craigslist.org/car/87509231.html

Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon

1978 300CD 200K+ miles, Vinnie 

Re: [MBZ] eBay issues

[Tom Hargrave]

I sell a lot of stuff on eBay and so far, I've only received three negative
comments out of 1238 total feedback posts. Of all three, none were deserved.
One was in response to negative feedback to a seller who misrepresented &
sold me pirated software and then refused to respond to my email for a week.
The other two were customers who were way off base.

On the other hand, we've screwed up enough to rate 10 times more justified
negative feedback, but I've never had any posted. Why? Because we make it
right when we screw something up!

It seems like this seller does not understand "customer service".

I buy from other eBay vendors, only after reading their feedback. The rating
by itself isn't good enough.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of redghost
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:17 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] eBay issues

BTDT,

It does get folks attention though, and at times that is what it takes. 
  I have been on both sides, and if it ain't happening fast enough for you,
by all means use the system that is in place, or just walk away.

On Thursday, July 28, 2005, at 07:32 AM, JJJ wrote:

> did you ever give anybody their 1st negative feedback? wow! the 
> response to that which i gave went way over the top-as if i'd commited 
> a crime by noting that the seller was not prompt and sent broken 
> stuff...she paid for mediation and shamed me for making such a 
> comment...whew!
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1987 300SDL - POS - DOA


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[MBZ] My newest diesel

[brian toscano]

Early 1980's Kubota L305DT - 30HP, 4WD, FEL. :)

Not a Mercedes, but it sure is neat!  It has fresh paint, new ag
tires, hydraulics look good, and a ROPS.  It holds 8.8 gallons of
diesel, 6.1 quarts of coolant, 6.6 quarts of oil, and 31.7 quarts of 
transmission/hydraulic fluid.

-brian

Re: [MBZ] Adjusting SLS ride height

[Russ Maki]

Meade, You may want to examine the rear subframe bushings if you haven't 
replaced them before. Tired bushings will let the rear end sag.


Russ Maki
Ixonia, Wis.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Loren,

Joe's already hit on this - adjusting ride height via control valve is a no-no, 
specified method is to replace the spring pads.

Thanks for the info on 'how to remove rear springs', have you done this on a 
123?


Very respectfully,
/s/
LCDR Meade M. Dillon, USNR
Digest Lurker since 2001
'85 300TD 322k miles (Euro 5spd)
'96 Infiniti I30 149k miles (wife's 5spd)
'73 Balboa 20 'Sanctification'
Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] Adjusting SLS ride height

[Loren Faeth]

110, 107, 123, 126 they all work the same.

At 10:44 AM 7/28/2005, you wrote:

Loren,

Joe's already hit on this - adjusting ride height via control valve is a 
no-no, specified method is to replace the spring pads.


Thanks for the info on 'how to remove rear springs', have you done this on 
a 123?



Very respectfully,
/s/
LCDR Meade M. Dillon, USNR
Digest Lurker since 2001
'85 300TD 322k miles (Euro 5spd)
'96 Infiniti I30 149k miles (wife's 5spd)
'73 Balboa 20 'Sanctification'
Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] eBay issues

[redghost]

BTDT,

It does get folks attention though, and at times that is what it takes. 
 I have been on both sides, and if it ain't happening fast enough for 
you, by all means use the system that is in place, or just walk away.


On Thursday, July 28, 2005, at 07:32 AM, JJJ wrote:

did you ever give anybody their 1st negative feedback? wow! the 
response to that which i gave went way over the top-as if i'd commited 
a crime by noting that the seller was not prompt and sent broken 
stuff...she paid for mediation and shamed me for making such a 
comment...whew!

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Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA

Re: [MBZ] OM603.960 question on valve stem seals..

[Peter Frederick]

Combustion temp is fairly low at idle (just a tiny squirt of fuel), not enough 
to burn the oil off.  When you step on the pedal, you get much more fuel and 
heat in the combustion chamber and the oil burns, but not completely since it 
takes a few seconds for the chamber to get really hot.  The result is a puff of 
oil smoke.  There is enough vacuum in the combustion chamber on the intake 
stroke to draw oil down the valve, and it will run down as well.  

You should also be getting a short puff of blue smoke on cold starts, too, for 
the same reason -- oil will leak down the valve stem into the combusiton 
chamber and sits there until you start, when it burns poorly until the engine 
heats up.  Can be masked by incomplete fuel combustion and resultant white 
smoke, though.

Note that a bad turbo will do exactly the same thing until it gets so bad it 
always blows copious blue smoke.  Check the impellor side for excessive oil 
(ther will be some from blowby) and check for axial play on the turbine shaft 
-- if it turns roughly or has axial play, the seals are gone and you need to 
replace it.

Peter

Re: [MBZ] eBay issues

[redghost]

Go for the big guns and file a complaint with ebay, get SquareTrade 
involved as well.  The window is REALLY tight, so sooner is better.  
When the folks start going after her money, she will pay attention.


On Wednesday, July 27, 2005, at 10:30 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote:

I bought a vacuum pump for air conditioning work from a seller on eBay 
who

has a 100% positive feedback rating (with several sales). The auction
said, "Brand new in the box." The pump I received was definitely NOT 
brand

new in the box.

The seller asked what I wanted so I said I wanted to return the pump at
her expense and get a brand new one like the auction said. She offered 
to

refund $30 to $50 for me to keep the pump. I then decided I wanted to
return the pump and get my money back, including the shipping of the 
pump
back to her. She said OK but that she couldn't refund my money until 
she

got the pump back.

Well, she's had it since last Friday and hasn't responded to my emails.

Any suggestions on what to do?

There was some mention earlier on this list about how long after an
auction closes one can leave feedback. I looked on the eBay site, but
could find no mention of it. Any idea where to look?


Thanks,


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OM603.960 question on valve stem seals..

[Joe Knight]

Wish I had a better understanding of that as well.  All I know is that
Spud had very nearly those same symptoms, smoke when leaving a stop w/
a warm engine,  and he reported that new seals solved the problem on
his car.  I'll cc this to him on the chance he'll be able to enlighten
us.

j

On 7/28/05, Kevin J. Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joe,
> 
> "leave the originals alone" is just what I did. My #17 head was from a
> wrecker down in TN somewhere south of Nashville. I needed to get my car
> back on the road so I guess I took the shortcut of not even looking at the
> seals. It was Dave M that put me on to the consideration that they may be
> my blue smoke problem. The smoke only shows up on a warmed engine, after
> idling for a while and then starting off, it produces blue smoke. The
> exhaust odor isn't the normal diesel smell either. It has a burnt oil
> smell, but worse, maybe b/c of the Mobil 1? (Never burned that stuff so I
> don't know what it should smell like.) I did have the foresight to replace
> the bad hydraulic valve caps/lifters/whateverthey'recalled.
> 
> In any case I still have the question of where is the oil actually going
> during this process that produces blue smoke? Is it leaking down into the
> combustion chamber and being ignited? Leaked into the exhaust manifold and
> vaporizing from the heat? Understanding that process and having a look at
> the old head would go a long way towards my confidence about tackling this
> job.
> 
> ...Kevin
> 
> Joe Knight said:
> > On 7/28/05, Kevin J. Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ...
> >> 2) I have a source that will rent me the real deal MB tool. I don't
> want
> >> to give up my source as I don't know that he would make the offer to
> just anyone. (Not that I'm anyone special to this chap..)
> >
> > Good for you, Kevin.  Color me green.  ;)
> >
> > As for the seals, you may well be correct.  Can you verify that the
> seals used in your new head are the right stuff and properly
> > installed?  With a used head that looked to be in good condition and w/o
> easy access to the valve tools, I might well have been tempted to leave
> the originals alone.
> >
> 
> ...Kevin
> 87 300TD 271k miles
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 2, Issue 171

[Kayoooh]

> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:23:44 -0600
> From: Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] eBay issues
> No. It was summer8777.
>
> The auction is at
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7521186804&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1
>
> I originally paid through PayPal, completing my half of the transaction,
> but the seller said she couldn't receive the money through PayPal. She
> then refunded it and had me send a personal check.
>
>
> Craig
> --

Craig,
I just read that you paid with a check which is not a good thing to do at
all.

Having said that and having looked at the auction page and also deducting
the refund she offered you, I'd say you got yourself a good deal especially
if the unit has been reconditioned.

Good luck,

Omar.

Re: [MBZ] Race Car For Sale

[andrew strasfogel]

Looks like my lawn mower deck attached to four wheels...

On 7/28/05, Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That would be perfect for my daily commute to/from work!
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OM603.960 question on valve stem seals..

[Kevin J. Slater]

Joe,

"leave the originals alone" is just what I did. My #17 head was from a
wrecker down in TN somewhere south of Nashville. I needed to get my car
back on the road so I guess I took the shortcut of not even looking at the
seals. It was Dave M that put me on to the consideration that they may be
my blue smoke problem. The smoke only shows up on a warmed engine, after
idling for a while and then starting off, it produces blue smoke. The
exhaust odor isn't the normal diesel smell either. It has a burnt oil
smell, but worse, maybe b/c of the Mobil 1? (Never burned that stuff so I
don't know what it should smell like.) I did have the foresight to replace
the bad hydraulic valve caps/lifters/whateverthey'recalled.

In any case I still have the question of where is the oil actually going
during this process that produces blue smoke? Is it leaking down into the
combustion chamber and being ignited? Leaked into the exhaust manifold and
vaporizing from the heat? Understanding that process and having a look at
the old head would go a long way towards my confidence about tackling this
job.

...Kevin

Joe Knight said:
> On 7/28/05, Kevin J. Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...
>> 2) I have a source that will rent me the real deal MB tool. I don't
want
>> to give up my source as I don't know that he would make the offer to
just anyone. (Not that I'm anyone special to this chap..)
>
> Good for you, Kevin.  Color me green.  ;)
>
> As for the seals, you may well be correct.  Can you verify that the
seals used in your new head are the right stuff and properly
> installed?  With a used head that looked to be in good condition and w/o
easy access to the valve tools, I might well have been tempted to leave
the originals alone.
>

...Kevin
87 300TD 271k miles

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 2, Issue 168

[Kayoooh]

> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:30:26 -0600
> From: Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [MBZ] eBay issues
> I bought a vacuum pump for air conditioning work from a seller on eBay who
> has a 100% positive feedback rating (with several sales). The auction
> said, "Brand new in the box." The pump I received was definitely NOT brand
> new in the box.
>
>
> Craig
-

Craig,
I definitely feel your pain.

I had come to the conclusion that one should deal only with eBay sellers who
have positive feedback only.
To my disappointment even some of those have been indulging in questionable
practices lately.

PayPal never came to my rescue when I was wronged but my credit card issuing
bank have stood behind me in all the instances I was wronged and to the
dismay of PayPal who have threatened to close my account if I continue to
"go behind" their back seeking help from my CC issuing bank.

So, if you made your purchase using a CC, and you always should, let the
issuing bank know about the problems you are having and they'll hopefully
help you as much as mine did with me.

Good luck,

Omar.

Re: [MBZ] diagnosing bad valve stem seals/guide

[Fmiser]

rumor has it that [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Don M.,
> 
> I question whether this method will work in a diesel:

It won't.

> "To check your
> valve guides and/or seals find a  very long hill and drive/coast down
> under compression, creating a large vacuum draw, 

_This_ is the problem with this test. A diesel doesn't create a large
vacuum. One of my W123s does have a butterfly valve in the intake, so it
creates a _small_ vacuum. All the rest will create a vacuum only when
the air filter is _way_ overdue to be replaced. *grin*

  Philip and his fleet of vacuum-free engines

Re: [MBZ] eBay issues

[72benz250]

Mine pulled 29". I have a 60 gal compressor w/9 CFM pump.

-- Original message -- 

> Those will not pull enough vacuum for any serious AC work. The point is 
> to boil the water out of the system, those are not up to the job. 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
> 
> > BTW if you need a cheap pump for AC work these work very well and are 
> > available from harbour freight for 16$. The red ones are setup for r-12 
> > bleu for r-134 
> > 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-AIR-CONDITIONER-VACUUM-PUMP-A-C-CHARGER-GAS-PUMP_W0QQite
>  
> mZ7988519625QQcategoryZ46094QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 
> > 
> > 
> > -- Original message -- 
> > 
> > > On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:32:58 -0500 OK Don wrote: 
> > > 
> > > > I'm bidding on one now - but it's stated to be reconditioned. Your 
> > > > seller wasn't 
> > > > msmc1959> > msmc1959&iid=7532137694&frm=284> by any chance was it? 
> > > 
> > > No. It was summer8777. 
> > > 
> > > The auction is at 
> > > 
> > 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7521186804&rd=1&sspagename=ST
>  
> > 
> > > RK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1 
> > > 
> > > I originally paid through PayPal, completing my half of the 
> > transaction, 
> > > but the seller said she couldn't receive the money through 
> > PayPal. She 
> > > then refunded it and had me send a personal check. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Craig 
> > > 
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Re: [MBZ] Race Car For Sale

[Don]

That would be perfect for my daily commute to/from work!

[MBZ] Race Car For Sale

[Dan Landiss]

On the off chance that someone here dabbles in fast cars, we have one 
for sale:




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Re: [MBZ] Long hill guide test

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Taking your foot off the pedal does not close off the air supply on a 
diesel since there is no throttle plate.  It closes off the fuel supply. 
 The air intake is just a pipe direct to the intake valve.  The older 
governer style pumps this test may work on since they have a throttle 
plate, but not anything past about 1976.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Let me take a shot at explaining this one. When you take your foot off 
the throttle you close the air intake into the engine. With very little 
air/oxygen getting into the intake manifold, then the fuel that is there 
(if any) doesn't burn as efficiently. With the air intake closed off it 
also makes it harder for the cylinder to draw air. Think of the sound 
your shop vacuum makes when you plug the hose. The cylinder then has 
more vacuum than normal because of the closed throttle and it tries to 
draw air anywhere it can, especially thru the valve guides. If there is 
extra space in the valve guides from wear, or seals with cracks or just 
hardened up and not wiping well, then the engine draws in more oil 
through the valves. After going down the long hill and suddenly opening 
up the air supply so burning can take place the oil will burn "dirty" 
giving the smoke.
 
You can prove the vacuum being higher by watching the vacuum guage go 
off the scale to the high side when you suddenly take your foot off the 
throttle. It also drops to nothing when the throttle is flat on the 
floor. This happens with both diesel and gas engines. So the test will 
work with both.
 
Does that make it easier to understand?
 
Ken
 
 
Don M.,


I question whether this method will work in a diesel: "To check your 
valve guides and/or seals find a
very long hill and drive/coast down under compression, creating a large 
vacuum draw, at the bottom of the hill apply fuel watch your rear view 
mirror and if you get a noticeable puff of blue smoke it is seals/guide 
issue."


Is this procedure recommended for gas engines or specifically for 
diesel?  Someone correct me if I'm wrong - does the mechanical fuel 
injection pump on an OM 617 motor stop all delivery of fuel when 
'compression braking'?  If it doesn't, and some fuel is still being 
burned, then I expect that the oil leaking through bad valve stem seals 
would also be burned and there would be no puff of oil smoke when 
throttle is applied.





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Re: [MBZ] Long hill guide test

[Bucks2]

Let me take a shot at explaining this one. When you take your foot off the 
throttle you close the air intake into the engine. With very little air/oxygen 
getting into the intake manifold, then the fuel that is there (if any) doesn't 
burn as efficiently. With the air intake closed off it also makes it harder 
for the cylinder to draw air. Think of the sound your shop vacuum makes when 
you 
plug the hose. The cylinder then has more vacuum than normal because of the 
closed throttle and it tries to draw air anywhere it can, especially thru the 
valve guides. If there is extra space in the valve guides from wear, or seals 
with cracks or just hardened up and not wiping well, then the engine draws in 
more oil through the valves. After going down the long hill and suddenly 
opening up the air supply so burning can take place the oil will burn "dirty" 
giving 
the smoke. 

You can prove the vacuum being higher by watching the vacuum guage go off the 
scale to the high side when you suddenly take your foot off the throttle. It 
also drops to nothing when the throttle is flat on the floor. This happens 
with both diesel and gas engines. So the test will work with both. 

Does that make it easier to understand?

Ken


Don M.,

I question whether this method will work in a diesel: "To check your valve 
guides and/or seals find a 
very long hill and drive/coast down under compression, creating a large 
vacuum draw, at the bottom of the hill apply fuel watch your rear view mirror 
and 
if you get a noticeable puff of blue smoke it is seals/guide issue."

Is this procedure recommended for gas engines or specifically for diesel?  
Someone correct me if I'm wrong - does the mechanical fuel injection pump on an 
OM 617 motor stop all delivery of fuel when 'compression braking'?  If it 
doesn't, and some fuel is still being burned, then I expect that the oil 
leaking 
through bad valve stem seals would also be burned and there would be no puff of 
oil smoke when throttle is applied.

Re: [MBZ] diagnosing bad valve stem seals/guide

[Trampas]

Since Diesel has no vacuum on intake manifold it will not work. 

 

On diesels it may result in smoking on startup and if bad enough oil loss.
But my OM617 has 300k miles and never been replaced, of course I bet they
are bad. 

 

Regards,

Trampas Stern 

  

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Don & Teresa Merriman
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:30 AM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] diagnosing bad valve stem seals/guide

 

Hola amigos

Perhaps my suggestion only works on gas pots, however you could at least try
it!

 

On 7/28/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 > wrote: 

Don M.,

I question whether this method will work in a diesel: "To check your valve
guides and/or seals find a 
very long hill and drive/coast down under compression, creating a large
vacuum draw, at the bottom of the hill apply fuel watch your rear view
mirror and if you get a noticeable puff of blue smoke it is seals/guide
issue." 

Is this procedure recommended for gas engines or specifically for diesel?
Someone correct me if I'm wrong - does the mechanical fuel injection pump on
an OM 617 motor stop all delivery of fuel when 'compression braking'?  If it
doesn't, and some fuel is still being burned, then I expect that the oil
leaking through bad valve stem seals would also be burned and there would be
no puff of oil smoke when throttle is applied. 




Very respectfully,
/s/
LCDR Meade M. Dillon, USNR
Digest Lurker since 2001
'85 300TD 322k miles (Euro 5spd)
'96 Infiniti I30 149k miles (wife's 5spd)
'73 Balboa 20 'Sanctification'
Charleston SC


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[MBZ] More 124 hitch info

[meadedillon]

Joe,

Great link - Thanks!!  Took me awhile to figure out that 124t would be found 
under E class, but I found it.  I don't have an 'active contacts' at the moment 
for a 124t, but it's good to know that I have a source for a hitch should I 
need it.

Very respectfully,
/s/
LCDR Meade M. Dillon, USNR
Digest Lurker since 2001
'85 300TD 322k miles (Euro 5spd)
'96 Infiniti I30 149k miles (wife's 5spd)
'73 Balboa 20 'Sanctification'
Charleston SC

[MBZ] Adjusting SLS ride height

[meadedillon]

Loren,

Joe's already hit on this - adjusting ride height via control valve is a no-no, 
specified method is to replace the spring pads.

Thanks for the info on 'how to remove rear springs', have you done this on a 
123?


Very respectfully,
/s/
LCDR Meade M. Dillon, USNR
Digest Lurker since 2001
'85 300TD 322k miles (Euro 5spd)
'96 Infiniti I30 149k miles (wife's 5spd)
'73 Balboa 20 'Sanctification'
Charleston SC

Re: [MBZ] Bouncy SLS on my wagon ('85 300TD)

[Loren Faeth]

I stand corrected.  Thanks Joe

At 08:43 AM 7/28/2005, you wrote:

The fsm, iirc, is pretty specific about *not* using the valve to
adjust ride height, Loren.  That path is said to be fraught with
peril.  Valve arm is supposed to be adjusted to the neutral position
with a specified load.

joe

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Re: [MBZ] diagnosing bad valve stem seals/guide

[Don & Teresa Merriman]

Hola amigos
Perhaps my suggestion only works on gas pots, however you could at least try 
it!

 On 7/28/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> Don M.,
> 
> I question whether this method will work in a diesel: "To check your valve 
> guides and/or seals find a
> very long hill and drive/coast down under compression, creating a large 
> vacuum draw, at the bottom of the hill apply fuel watch your rear view 
> mirror and if you get a noticeable puff of blue smoke it is seals/guide 
> issue."
> 
> Is this procedure recommended for gas engines or specifically for diesel? 
> Someone correct me if I'm wrong - does the mechanical fuel injection pump on 
> an OM 617 motor stop all delivery of fuel when 'compression braking'? If it 
> doesn't, and some fuel is still being burned, then I expect that the oil 
> leaking through bad valve stem seals would also be burned and there would be 
> no puff of oil smoke when throttle is applied.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Very respectfully,
> /s/
> LCDR Meade M. Dillon, USNR
> Digest Lurker since 2001
> '85 300TD 322k miles (Euro 5spd)
> '96 Infiniti I30 149k miles (wife's 5spd)
> '73 Balboa 20 'Sanctification'
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] eBay issues

[J.B. Hebert]

Hooked up to a decent compressor, mine pulls as much or more vacuum than my 
mechanic's Yellow Jacket pump.  Don't expect to get good results with a 
dinky compressor, though.


J.B.

At 10:49 AM 7/28/2005, you wrote:

Those will not pull enough vacuum for any serious AC work.  The point is
to boil the water out of the system, those are not up to the job.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> BTW if you need a cheap pump for AC work these work very well and are
> available from harbour freight for 16$. The red ones are setup for r-12
> bleu for r-134
> 
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-AIR-CONDITIONER-VACUUM-PUMP-A-C-CHARGER-GAS-PUMP_W0QQitemZ7988519625QQcategoryZ46094QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

>
>
> -- Original message --
>
>  > On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:32:58 -0500 OK Don wrote:
>  >
>  > > I'm bidding on one now - but it's stated to be reconditioned. Your
>  > > seller wasn't
>  > > msmc1959> > msmc1959&iid=7532137694&frm=284> by any chance was it?
>  >
>  > No. It was summer8777.
>  >
>  > The auction is at
>  >
> 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7521186804&rd=1&sspagename=ST

>
>  > RK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1
>  >
>  > I originally paid through PayPal, completing my half of the
> transaction,
>  > but the seller said she couldn't receive the money through
> PayPal. She
>  > then refunded it and had me send a personal check.
>  >
>  >
>  > Craig
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[MBZ] Mog Journal

[Loren Faeth]

I came across the UK Unimog Journal.  It appears to be the black only color 
separation of a color magazine, but contains the text.  Some pretty 
interesting articles for Moggers or Mogger wannabes.


Question?  Is there a mog built that would deliver 80 to 100 hp with Diesel 
and could have a sustained rear pto load of 50-60 hp?

Re: [MBZ] eBay issues

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Those will not pull enough vacuum for any serious AC work.  The point is 
to boil the water out of the system, those are not up to the job.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

BTW if you need a cheap pump for AC work these work very well and are 
available from harbour freight for 16$. The red ones are setup for r-12 
bleu for r-134

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-AIR-CONDITIONER-VACUUM-PUMP-A-C-CHARGER-GAS-PUMP_W0QQitemZ7988519625QQcategoryZ46094QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
 


-- Original message --

 > On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:32:58 -0500 OK Don wrote:
 >
 > > I'm bidding on one now - but it's stated to be reconditioned. Your
 > > seller wasn't
 > > msmc1959> > msmc1959&iid=7532137694&frm=284> by any chance was it?
 >
 > No. It was summer8777.
 >
 > The auction is at
 >

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7521186804&rd=1&sspagename=ST

 > RK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1
 >
 > I originally paid through PayPal, completing my half of the
transaction,
 > but the seller said she couldn't receive the money through
PayPal. She
 > then refunded it and had me send a personal check.
 >
 >
 > Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Manuals, was: valve stem seals

[Potter, Tom E]

I also am a book junkie. I am a technical writer with a degree in Professional 
Writing (Yes, they have those).

You are absolutely correct in that folks have no appreciation of the work that 
goes into writing a technical manual. I estimate that each Haynes manual costs 
approximately $250,000.00 to produce, if not more.

Thomas E. Potter
Telephone: (713) 215-2877
Fax: (713) 215-2551
Mobile: (832) 794-0536


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher McCann
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 9:35 AM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Manuals, was: valve stem seals


Book junkie - me too. I also bout "Why Does My Diesel
Smoke" and "Why does My Diesel Rattle and Knock". They
are not cheap, but being in publishing I know how much
time goes into a a book and his market can't be that
big, so the price has to be high to make it worth his
while. His writing style is great and I did not mind
forking the money over.

Christopher

Re: [MBZ] eBay issues

[72benz250]

BTW if you need a cheap pump for AC work these work very well and are available 
from harbour freight for 16$. The red ones are setup for r-12 bleu for r-134
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-AIR-CONDITIONER-VACUUM-PUMP-A-C-CHARGER-GAS-PUMP_W0QQitemZ7988519625QQcategoryZ46094QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

-- Original message -- 

> On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:32:58 -0500 OK Don wrote: 
> 
> > I'm bidding on one now - but it's stated to be reconditioned. Your 
> > seller wasn't 
> > msmc1959> > msmc1959&iid=7532137694&frm=284> by any chance was it? 
> 
> No. It was summer8777. 
> 
> The auction is at 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7521186804&rd=1&sspagename=ST
>  
> RK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1 
> 
> I originally paid through PayPal, completing my half of the transaction, 
> but the seller said she couldn't receive the money through PayPal. She 
> then refunded it and had me send a personal check. 
> 
> 
> Craig 
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Re: [MBZ] Dwell

[BenzBarn]

One of the problems on cars with CD ignition is that people never service the 
distributor. Since the points will last much longer,  the normal light oiling 
during change out usually never gets done. The rubbing block needs a bit of 
point grease, oil cup on the side of the housing needs a few drops of engine 
oil and the advance needs a few drops after you pull the rotor off. Even later 
cars with full electronic ignition still need to have the felt under the rotor 
oiled.

 I find these units to be worn out a lot more than earlier cast iron non CD 
units even though they're newer. Some are only good for parts. There seems to 
be two main types with different parts inside. Both have the green distributor 
wire with the condenser attached but one has a round hole ( early ) where the 
wire enters the housing and the other has a square hole. The vacuum cells are 
also different. These parts will not interchange. Distributor caps may also be 
different.
Fuel injected cars tend to use vacuum retard while carb engines tend to use 
vacuum advance systems. May be the same on late cars.

Dan

Re: [MBZ] xmission throttle pressure cable

[Christopher McCann]

he does, on and off, usually when he has a question...

BTW, another co-worker leaves to NM today to pick up
her "new" 81 240D. Seller paid to fix almost
everything that turned up in a 3 hour pre-purchase
inspection (with compression test). SHould be quite
nice.

That makes 5 diesel benzes out of 10 employees. Fun
parking lot...will have to post a pic of them all
together.

Christopher

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> 
> Christopher McCann wrote:
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> > My friend and co-worker (1985 300Dt) asked me to
> post
> > this for him:
> > 
> > Recently I had my transmission throttle pressure
> cable
> > adjusted... it was shifting at the wrong points
> and
> > not going into 1st... Well, while lubing my
> throttle
> > linkage joints last night I somehow got this out
> of
> > adjustment and now it is shifting like it was
> before
> > my local Inde. fixed it.   Does anyone know who to
> > properly adjust the throttle pressure cable ?? Are
> > there any articles on the web about it?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > 
> > Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri
> > -1985 300SD, 207K miles, "Wulf"
> http://don.homelinux.net/mbz/Chris
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Re: [MBZ] Dwell

[72benz250]

Thanks Barry,

So what is the correct geometry? Looks like mine was installed wrong because 
the rubbing block comes to a point.

I'm guessing that the first thing you need to do with a brand spakning new 
point is to turn the distributor until it's flat with the block, lock it in 
place then move it to a point and adjust the gap.

Sounds about right?

Also the rubbing block needs to be greased. any where in particular?
Distributor shaft needs to be oiled - 10 w30?
Any other oiling greasing points?

Thanks

George

-- Original message -- 

> George - 
> It doesn't take much wear to your rubbing block to start to throw off the 
> geometry of the points alignment. I've seen occasions where the gap is in 
> spec but the dwell isn't because the geometry is all wrong from wear of the 
> rubbing block. It's not always the contact surfaces that render your points 
> unusable. Like Peter said, if there is any doubt just replace them. 
> 
> Barry 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Frederick 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:06 PM 
> To: Mercedes mailing list 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dwell 
> 
> 
> Standard direct points will last maybe 5000 miles. Points on 
> transistor switch coils will last maybe 15,000, not usually more. 
> 
> Dirt or oil kill them, make sure the new ones are lubricated correctly 
> (a tiny amount of high melting point grease on the BACK side of the 
> rubbing block, not the front!). 
> 
> It's easy enough to get the switch set wrong, so the dwell angle is way 
> off, I've done it! 
> 
> Peter 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Manuals, was: valve stem seals

[Christopher McCann]

Book junkie - me too. I also bout "Why Does My Diesel
Smoke" and "Why does My Diesel Rattle and Knock". They
are not cheap, but being in publishing I know how much
time goes into a a book and his market can't be that
big, so the price has to be high to make it worth his
while. His writing style is great and I did not mind
forking the money over.

Christopher

--- Royce Engler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks, Chris...I figure we're all newbies on one
> thing or another.  I'm a
> "book junkie" anyway, so I'll probably get it just
> to have it 
> 
> Royce
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Christopher McCann
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 5:07 PM
> To: Mercedes mailing list
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Manuals, was: valve stem seals
> 
> 
> I'm a newbie and for me it was WELL worth the money.
> Things are explained very simply and you learn about
> how the car works...you read it and start making a
> list of all the stuff you want to do!
> For the diesel veteran, it might not be worth the
> monye. I would recommend it to any newbie.
> 
> Chris
> 
> --- Royce Engler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Anybody ever use the book they sell called Diesel
> > Performance Tuning and
> > Repair?  Is it worth $22.95?
> >
> > Royce Engler
> >
> > 1985 300TD Turbo 265K
> >
> >   -Original Message-
> >   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> > Curt Raymond
> >   Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:08 PM
> >   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >   Subject: [MBZ] valve stem seals
> >
> >
> >   Somebody the other day mentioned that on of
> > Hammie's many problems might
> > be valve stem seals. Then yesterday I happened to
> be
> > looking at the
> > Mercedessource site and found
> >
>
http://www.mercedessource.com/store/item.php?item=4%20Cylinder%20Diesel%20Va
> > lve%20Stem%20Replacement%20Kit
> >   this kit to replace the seals. Hammie does
> consume
> > a fair amount of oil
> > without leaking it and does blow a bit of black
> > smoke first thing in the
> > morning. Is this likely worth doing?
> >
> >   -Curt
> >   '83 240D "Hammie" 242kmi
> >
> >
> >
>

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-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
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Re: [MBZ] More towbar stuff

[Zeitgeist]

As an interesting aside, a while back I picked up hitch kit for my
Vanagon off of Ebay.  I still hadn't mounted it, and the other day I
got curious and crawled under the rear of the TD--voila, it fit!  The
distance between the frame rails is virtually identical on both the
Vanagon and S124.  So now I need to figure out which vehicle to mount
the unit...h

On 7/28/05, Joe Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Meade, et al, I was browsing ebay UK yesterday and came across some
> auctions touting towbar packages that purport to be the same as are
> installed over there by the dealers.  They listed several
> manufacturers, Brink, Bosal, Westphalia; near as I could tell those
> made for most MB applications are made by Brink.  Typical rating is
> for 1900KG.  Google for 'Brink towbar' got me to a UK supplier that
> sells online.  Doesn't look as though they'd be very excited about
> shipping to this side of the Pond but a little resourcefulness might
> get you over that hurdle.  Pricing for the Estate pkg didn't seem
> completely off the chart at £195.00.  Wiring kits looked pretty
> reasonable as well.  Unfortunately password is required to access the
> pdf installation instructions; couldn't immediately find a way to get
> registered for same.
>   http://www.brinktowbars.co.uk/order.php

Casey
Biodiesel:
'87 300TD intercooler (206k) 
'84 300D (202k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (184k)
Olympia, WA

Re: [MBZ] eBay issues

[JJJ]

did you ever give anybody their 1st negative feedback? wow! the response to 
that which i gave went way over the top-as if i'd commited a crime by noting 
that the seller was not prompt and sent broken stuff...she paid for mediation 
and shamed me for making such a comment...whew!

Re: [MBZ] xmission throttle pressure cable

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

tell your friend to sign up

Christopher McCann wrote:


My friend and co-worker (1985 300Dt) asked me to post
this for him:

Recently I had my transmission throttle pressure cable
adjusted... it was shifting at the wrong points and
not going into 1st... Well, while lubing my throttle
linkage joints last night I somehow got this out of
adjustment and now it is shifting like it was before
my local Inde. fixed it.   Does anyone know who to
properly adjust the throttle pressure cable ?? Are
there any articles on the web about it?

Thanks,


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-1985 300SD, 207K miles, "Wulf" http://don.homelinux.net/mbz/Chris
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
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[MBZ] xmission throttle pressure cable

[Christopher McCann]

My friend and co-worker (1985 300Dt) asked me to post
this for him:

Recently I had my transmission throttle pressure cable
adjusted... it was shifting at the wrong points and
not going into 1st... Well, while lubing my throttle
linkage joints last night I somehow got this out of
adjustment and now it is shifting like it was before
my local Inde. fixed it.   Does anyone know who to
properly adjust the throttle pressure cable ?? Are
there any articles on the web about it?

Thanks,


Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri
-1985 300SD, 207K miles, "Wulf" http://don.homelinux.net/mbz/Chris
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle)
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Re: [MBZ] eBay issues

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

OK, they are a new seller so they dont appear to have it down pat yet. 
As I said before, try working it out with the seller.  As a last resort 
file complaints.  I can tell you though i doubt that is a new vacuum 
pump, or if it is supposed to be, its NOS.  The new ones dont look 
anything like that one, it appears to be old.  If they offered you to 
give you some of your money back on the pump ($30? $40?) that seems VERY 
fair to me.


Craig McCluskey wrote:


On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:32:58 -0500 OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



I'm bidding on one now - but it's stated to be reconditioned. Your
seller  wasn't
msmc1959 by any chance was it?



No. It was summer8777.

The auction is at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7521186804&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1

I originally paid through PayPal, completing my half of the transaction,
but the seller said she couldn't receive the money through PayPal. She
then refunded it and had me send a personal check.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] eBay issues

[Craig McCluskey]

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:50:24 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Here's a crazy idea.
> 
> You have her address. See if one of us is near by and knock on her door.
> 
> 
> Craig's collection services. Breaking legs since 1938 ;)

That's a thought! I'll think I'll wait a little longer as Kaleb suggested.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] eBay issues

[Craig McCluskey]

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:32:58 -0500 OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm bidding on one now - but it's stated to be reconditioned. Your
> seller  wasn't
> msmc1959 msmc1959&iid=7532137694&frm=284> by any chance was it?

No. It was summer8777.

The auction is at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7521186804&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1

I originally paid through PayPal, completing my half of the transaction,
but the seller said she couldn't receive the money through PayPal. She
then refunded it and had me send a personal check.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] Dwell

[BenzBarn]

If you oil the felts on the main shaft through the oiler they last a long time. 
The original  bushings are usually steel but the replacements are some sort of 
brass - possibly self lubricating.

Re: [MBZ] More towbar stuff

[John Robbins]

Gah!!  They have a hitch for the S-class back to the W126, but not the 
W116... oh well.  The W126 hitch was a little pricey at 241GBP ($421).


John

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005, Joe Knight wrote:


Meade, et al, I was browsing ebay UK yesterday and came across some
auctions touting towbar packages that purport to be the same as are
installed over there by the dealers.  They listed several
manufacturers, Brink, Bosal, Westphalia; near as I could tell those
made for most MB applications are made by Brink.  Typical rating is
for 1900KG.  Google for 'Brink towbar' got me to a UK supplier that
sells online.  Doesn't look as though they'd be very excited about
shipping to this side of the Pond but a little resourcefulness might
get you over that hurdle.  Pricing for the Estate pkg didn't seem
completely off the chart at ?195.00.  Wiring kits looked pretty
reasonable as well.  Unfortunately password is required to access the
pdf installation instructions; couldn't immediately find a way to get
registered for same.
 http://www.brinktowbars.co.uk/order.php

joe

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Re: [MBZ] eBay issues

[72benz250]

Here's a crazy idea.

You have her address. See if one of us is near by and knock on her door. 

Craig's collection services. Breaking legs since 1938 ;)
-- Original message -- 

> That should be a VERY last resort. If the seller has 100% positive, and 
> has been around for a while, give them the benifit of the doubt. It 
> doesnt sound like its even been a week yet. Email the seller, try to 
> work it out that way. There are WAY too many crackhead buyers on 
> ebay(not Craig) im sure that expect WAY too much, cant read auction 
> details, or whatever and file BS claims with paypal. Its a pain in the 
> ass and costs sellers alot of time and money. 
> 
> Tom Hargrave wrote: 
> 
> > I just scanned the original eMail. If you paid through PayPal then you are 
> > set. File a claim through them & put as much detail as you can into the 
> > claim. It will take a week or two nut you should get a full refund from the 
> > seller. 
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks, 
> > Tom Hargrave 
> > 256-656-1924 
> > www.kegkits.com 
> > 
> > -Original Message- 
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > On Behalf Of Mitch Haley 
> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 5:44 AM 
> > To: Mercedes mailing list 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] eBay issues 
> > 
> > Craig McCluskey wrote: 
> > 
> >>Any suggestions on what to do? 
> >> 
> > 
> > 
> > Apply for a refund from eBay now to preserve your rights. 
> > (assuming eBay still has seller fraud insurance) 
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Re: [MBZ] Bouncy SLS on my wagon ('85 300TD)

[Joe Knight]

The fsm, iirc, is pretty specific about *not* using the valve to
adjust ride height, Loren.  That path is said to be fraught with
peril.  Valve arm is supposed to be adjusted to the neutral position
with a specified load.

joe

Re: [MBZ] Dwell

[72benz250]

How long do bearings last on these distributors?

Yeah I though about the magnet thing after I sent the email. There should be a 
law against sending email that early ;)

-- Original message -- 

I rebuild distributors here with a proper distributor testing machine. CD 
ignition stands for capacitive discharge, an early electronic ignition device.

Put a magnet on the housing which should fall off. Pretty easy to see if it's 
aluminum or not.

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[MBZ] More towbar stuff

[Joe Knight]

Meade, et al, I was browsing ebay UK yesterday and came across some
auctions touting towbar packages that purport to be the same as are
installed over there by the dealers.  They listed several
manufacturers, Brink, Bosal, Westphalia; near as I could tell those
made for most MB applications are made by Brink.  Typical rating is
for 1900KG.  Google for 'Brink towbar' got me to a UK supplier that
sells online.  Doesn't look as though they'd be very excited about
shipping to this side of the Pond but a little resourcefulness might
get you over that hurdle.  Pricing for the Estate pkg didn't seem
completely off the chart at £195.00.  Wiring kits looked pretty
reasonable as well.  Unfortunately password is required to access the
pdf installation instructions; couldn't immediately find a way to get
registered for same.
  http://www.brinktowbars.co.uk/order.php

joe

Re: [MBZ] eBay issues

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

That should be a VERY last resort.  If the seller has 100% positive, and 
has been around for a while, give them the benifit of the doubt.  It 
doesnt sound like its even been a week yet.  Email the seller, try to 
work it out that way.  There are WAY too many crackhead buyers on 
ebay(not Craig) im sure that expect WAY too much, cant read auction 
details, or whatever and file BS claims with paypal.  Its a pain in the 
ass and costs sellers alot of time and money.


Tom Hargrave wrote:


I just scanned the original eMail. If you paid through PayPal then you are
set. File a claim through them & put as much detail as you can into the
claim. It will take a week or two nut you should get a full refund from the
seller. 



Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 5:44 AM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] eBay issues

Craig McCluskey wrote:


Any suggestions on what to do?




Apply for a refund from eBay now to preserve your rights.
(assuming eBay still has seller fraud insurance)

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Re: [MBZ] diagnosing bad valve stem seals/guide

[John Robbins]

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Don M.,

Is this procedure recommended for gas engines or specifically for 
diesel?  Someone correct me if I'm wrong - does the mechanical fuel 
injection pump on an OM 617 motor stop all delivery of fuel when 
'compression braking'?  If it doesn't, and some fuel is still being 
burned, then I expect that the oil leaking through bad valve stem seals 
would also be burned and there would be no puff of oil smoke when 
throttle is applied.


I don't know if it completely shuts off fuel flow, but going down hills 
will reduce it significantly...  Going down some hills my engine has 
dropped below operating temperature... so I would imagine its pretty 
close.


Does fuel even have to be burned?  The heat to ignite the diesel is always 
being generated... wouldn't it ignite the oil as well?


John
'79 300SD

Re: [MBZ] eBay issues

[OK Don]

I'm bidding on one now - but it's stated to be reconditioned. Your seller 
wasn't 
msmc1959
by any chance was it?


On 7/28/05, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I bought a vacuum pump for air conditioning work from a seller on eBay who
> has a 100% positive feedback rating (with several sales). The auction
> said, "Brand new in the box." The pump I received was definitely NOT brand
> new in the box.
> 
> The seller asked what I wanted so I said I wanted to return the pump at
> her expense and get a brand new one like the auction said. She offered to
> refund $30 to $50 for me to keep the pump. I then decided I wanted to
> return the pump and get my money back, including the shipping of the pump
> back to her. She said OK but that she couldn't refund my money until she
> got the pump back.
> 
> Well, she's had it since last Friday and hasn't responded to my emails.
> 
> Any suggestions on what to do?
> 
> There was some mention earlier on this list about how long after an
> auction closes one can leave feedback. I looked on the eBay site, but
> could find no mention of it. Any idea where to look?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Craig
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'78 450SLC

Re: [MBZ] eBay issues

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Its 60 days.

Craig McCluskey wrote:


I bought a vacuum pump for air conditioning work from a seller on eBay who
has a 100% positive feedback rating (with several sales). The auction
said, "Brand new in the box." The pump I received was definitely NOT brand
new in the box.

The seller asked what I wanted so I said I wanted to return the pump at
her expense and get a brand new one like the auction said. She offered to
refund $30 to $50 for me to keep the pump. I then decided I wanted to
return the pump and get my money back, including the shipping of the pump
back to her. She said OK but that she couldn't refund my money until she
got the pump back.

Well, she's had it since last Friday and hasn't responded to my emails.

Any suggestions on what to do?

There was some mention earlier on this list about how long after an
auction closes one can leave feedback. I looked on the eBay site, but
could find no mention of it. Any idea where to look?


Thanks,


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Dwell

[BenzBarn]

I rebuild distributors here with a proper distributor testing machine. CD 
ignition stands for capacitive discharge, an early electronic ignition device.

Put a magnet on the housing which should fall off. Pretty easy to see if it's 
aluminum or not.

Dan

Re: [MBZ] Bouncy SLS on my wagon ('85 300TD)

[Loren Faeth]

There should be no need to change spring pads unless the old ones have 
disintegrated.  Ride height is adjusted at the hydraulic control 
valve.  Our TE was very saggy when we got it.  I put in new accumulators 
and sway bar links and adjusted the ride height on the valve and it was 
great after that.


You don't need any spring compressor for rear springs.  Just jack up the 
car and loosen the shocks (strut in the TD case) and the spring will fall 
out.  Assembly is the reverse.


At 12:01 PM 7/27/2005, you wrote:


I'd love to put in thicker spring pads to increase ride height.

[MBZ] diagnosing bad valve stem seals/guide

[meadedillon]

Don M.,

I question whether this method will work in a diesel: "To check your valve 
guides and/or seals find a 
very long hill and drive/coast down under compression, creating a large vacuum 
draw, at the bottom of the hill apply fuel watch your rear view mirror and if 
you get a noticeable puff of blue smoke it is seals/guide issue."

Is this procedure recommended for gas engines or specifically for diesel?  
Someone correct me if I'm wrong - does the mechanical fuel injection pump on an 
OM 617 motor stop all delivery of fuel when 'compression braking'?  If it 
doesn't, and some fuel is still being burned, then I expect that the oil 
leaking through bad valve stem seals would also be burned and there would be no 
puff of oil smoke when throttle is applied.




Very respectfully,
/s/
LCDR Meade M. Dillon, USNR
Digest Lurker since 2001
'85 300TD 322k miles (Euro 5spd)
'96 Infiniti I30 149k miles (wife's 5spd)
'73 Balboa 20 'Sanctification'
Charleston SC

Re: [MBZ] Dwell

[72benz250]

Thanks Jim,

I'll check it out. There is only 120K on the vehicle but it could be premature 
wear.

If it is failing, is there a rebuild kit for it?

Thanks

George

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In a message dated 7/27/2005 7:07:51 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:
I have a 72 250 w114 M130 and I was trying to adjust the dwell. the closest I 
got it was 51*. I tried everything from 0.06- 0.19 " feeler gauges.

I'm guessing that the points are bad.

Can someone second that guess?

Thanks

George,

Setting the points is a static operation, reading the dwell brings in a few 
other factors.  The first thing I thought of was worn distributor shaft 
bushings.  Grab hold of the rotor and try to wiggle the shaft side to side. Any 
movement is going to add to your dwell, you decide if more than a couple 
thousands of an inch is acceptable.  Worn lobes on the distributor can cause 
dwell scatter as well.  If they are all worn the same then the effect is 
canceled but if one of the lobes is flat it will add to your dwell reading.  
Finally, I don't know what effect your electronic ignitor has on dwell.   The 
standard reasons for electronics include extending dwell, reducing current draw 
at the points, and increasing secondary voltages.

I bet the shaft wobbles way more than 0.002"

Regards, 

Jim Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 261 K miles 
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Re: [MBZ] Dwell

[72benz250]

Ok. What's CD ignition?

& 30* for aluminium distributor? Any quick & dirty way to check if I do have an 
alum distributor?

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Re: [MBZ] OM603.960 question on valve stem seals..

[Mitch Haley]

Don & Teresa Merriman wrote:
> To check your valve guides and/or seals find a very long hill and
> drive/coast down under compression, creating a large vacuum draw,

The only way to draw vacuum on an OM 603 engine is to plug the
air intake or hook up a large shop vac to the exhaust.

Re: [MBZ] Dwell

[72benz250]

Hey Peter,

Will wheel bearing grease do the job or do I need something more specific?

Yeah I noticed the rubbing block was worn a little uneven. Didn't even consider 
that being a factor. 

Set the switch wrong? how do you set it correctly?

Thanks

George
-- Original message -- 

> Standard direct points will last maybe 5000 miles. Points on 
> transistor switch coils will last maybe 15,000, not usually more. 
> 
> Dirt or oil kill them, make sure the new ones are lubricated correctly 
> (a tiny amount of high melting point grease on the BACK side of the 
> rubbing block, not the front!). 
> 
> It's easy enough to get the switch set wrong, so the dwell angle is way 
> off, I've done it! 
> 
> Peter 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OM603.960 question on valve stem seals..

[Don & Teresa Merriman]

Start up on a cold engine and a puff of black is injectors, blue smoke is 
oil, could be turbo or rings. To check your valve guides and/or seals find a 
very long hill and drive/coast down under compression, creating a large 
vacuum draw, at the bottom of the hill apply fuel watch your rear view 
mirror and if you get a noticeable puff of blue smoke it is seals/guide 
issue.

On 7/27/05, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> Kevin:
> 
> You can also get blue smoke on acceleration from a bad turbo, along
> with fairly sluggish performance.
> 
> A puff of blue smoke on takeoff is probably valve guides or seals, but
> black is something else -- possibly late injection timing.
> 
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] eBay issues

[Tom Hargrave]

I just scanned the original eMail. If you paid through PayPal then you are
set. File a claim through them & put as much detail as you can into the
claim. It will take a week or two nut you should get a full refund from the
seller. 


Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com

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Craig McCluskey wrote:
> 
> Any suggestions on what to do?
> 

Apply for a refund from eBay now to preserve your rights.
(assuming eBay still has seller fraud insurance)

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Re: [MBZ] Restore the old faded colar of your MB] (Rich Thomas)

[DElliott%SWS]

I had great success with Mothers detailing clay and the Mothers
anti-oxidizing wax after that.  You can feel the clay removing things, the
body is much more smooth after this treatment so it seems to take the wax
better.

Dan Elliott
82 300D-T 83kmi

Re: [MBZ] eBay issues

[Mitch Haley]

Craig McCluskey wrote:
> 
> Any suggestions on what to do?
> 

Apply for a refund from eBay now to preserve your rights.
(assuming eBay still has seller fraud insurance)

Re: [MBZ] OM603.960 question on valve stem seals..

[Kevin J. Slater]

Joe,

a couple of things:

1) Looking at Dave's website and then looking at Rusty's site and
comparing, it looks to me like the shop installed OEM seals in Dave's
car, but used the ones for a M103 head rather than a OM603. Check it out
and let me know if you concur.

2) I have a source that will rent me the real deal MB tool. I don't want
to give up my source as I don't know that he would make the offer to
just anyone. (Not that I'm anyone special to this chap..)

...Kevin

Joe Knight wrote:

>I don't find anything directly relating to allowable 'play', Kevin,
>but the manual does stipulate that the allowable tolerance for the id
>of the exhaust guides is almost double that for the intakes.  I do
>remember that Dave experienced very similar symptoms after installing
>a new head.  Turned out this machinist had installed aftermkt seals
>and one of the exhaust valve seals hadn't been properly seated.  Does
>seem slightly bizarre but it's difficult to argue with success.
>
>What have you come up with in the way of tools for valve removal/replacement?
>
>joe
>
>On 7/27/05, Kevin J. Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>Folks,
>>
>>I have a question or two regarding the replacement of the stem seals on
>>my 87 300TD's engine. From emails to/from Dave M. I gather that this is
>>the problem causing my exhaust smoke when leaving from a stop with a
>>warmed up engine. My question is: what exactly is happening to cause
>>this smoke? I have the old #14 head from my vehicle that I can look at
>>as a reference for any explanations.
>>
>>I took a couple of valves out last night and removed the stem seals.
>>>From my old head I can say that the valve guides on the intake side had
>>less play than the ones from my exhaust side. Is this by design? I have
>>no desire to even do the valve stem seals at this point and there's no
>>way I'm removing the head (again), so I guess to some degree it doesn't
>>matter how worn my current head's valve guides are. But I remain curious
>>as to how likely a valve stem seal replacement job will be at reducing
>>my neighbors distaste for my beloved diesel.
>>
>>
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