Re: [MBZ] MB EPC Electronics Parts Catalog ON LINE

2006-02-02 Thread Werner Fehlauer
Roger - I did get a few sections to come up OK, but most did come up with 
page not found.

Werner
'90 D
'83SD

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Roger Conlon wrote:

 http://skinnerbox.steaky.org/Service/Library.html

 I tried this site in the Model 126,  603 engine and I can get the
subtitle
 categories, but when I click on the heading I get an error message.
 HTTP404 File Not Found.

 Any one else get this to work?

 Roger

The skinnerbox.steaky.org site CAN be browser sensitive. What browser
are you using?

Try this site: http://mb.braingears.com/ (it seems to like IE better
than Firefox on MY machine). May relate to the installed plugins or the
plugin versions (Macromedia Shockwave plugin appropriate for your
browser may be necessary).

Marshall
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I'm using Microsoft Internet Explorer.
As far as the plugin goes I have not a clue there.
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friendly/not

having the categories broken down.

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[MBZ] experts / blowhards

2006-02-02 Thread LT Don
I will not name names -- no matter how much $$$ I am offered -- ... well ...

Watching the various posts and discussion here today (and over the past few
years), I was suddenly hit by how many opinions we have. But more
importantly, which of us (and again, I will not name names) have a long
standing reputation for being really, really smart and good and perhaps even
brilliant.

And then we have some (me included) who are slobbering idiots who know
nothing but always have a comment.

The guys who know which end of the body the toilet paper is to touch are
indeed an asset. Marshall ... Johnny B. [my personal hemp-dude, my actually
go out and do something good instead of bitching hero] ... Mitch ...
Pervine ... Mr. Clean ...  and so many more. If you don't see your name
here, don't feel slighted. I am going from memory. Those who read this know
who is whom.

The other list, the idiots:  LT Don, 

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[MBZ] experts / blowhards #2

2006-02-02 Thread LT Don
I can't neglect DanG and PegLeg. My apologies, guys.

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Re: [MBZ] W123 guide rods

2006-02-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

yep, I have a couple of cars that need this treatment.

John Ervine wrote:


Allan Streib wrote:



Squeaky and creaky, mostly on the passenger side.  Sound seems to
be coming from the rearward end of the track rod, but it's hard to
tell for sure.  Audible squeaking when bouncing the front of the car.
Shocks are recent, everything else is unknown.



You might want to consider rebuilding the entire front end in one go.  It'll 
save you money on alignments.




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Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering

2006-02-02 Thread John Berryman


On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 04:22 PM, Marshall Booth wrote:


Mercedes revised the recommendation (236.2) for PS fluid in about
1987/1988 (236.3). They use an oil that's a little less viscous than
type A ATF (which is less viscous than Dexron II/III) and that isn't
treated with the Lubrisol additives. It is far superior (doesn't 
stiffen
up) to conventional Dexron in very cold weather (although the 
synthetics

that meet the Dexron/Mercon spec seem just fine). The Mercedes fluid is
recommended for ALL Mercedes PS systems, but ATF is still permissible
for any system that was originally factory filled with ATF (most any 
car

built before 1987). Using ATF in cars up to about 1995 will not cause
any major problem, but in cold weather, the steering may be more than a
little stiff.

Here's the result of some research on the subject by Dr Eric 
Chowanietz:




	I've felt things stiffen up with conventional Dexron III/Mercron and 
earlier Dexrons but never had the stiffness with Mobil 1 or Amsoil 
synthetic tranny fluid. I haven't moved and it still gets to 25 below 
around here.
	It seems Eric has mixed feelings on the application but he is spot on 
about the conventional ATF/Dexron  in the cold going on to say it could 
have better corrosion and lubricating qualities.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am


Re: [MBZ] Trucking Industry the Saga continues

2006-02-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Some truckers already make that kind of money, my dads neighbor makes 
more than that.  They already have sat tracking and can monitor speeds 
etc, luther can probably tell you about that.  What is lower speeds 
going to do?  Its a proven fact that lower speeds cause MORE wrecks 
because people get too bored and relaxed and such slow speeds.  Some 
areas raised their speeds to something like 80 (out in tx somewhere I 
think) and it LOWERED accidents quite a bit.  And as for people can wait 
longer for the load to get there,  BT, WRONG.  The way it is now the 
semi truck IS the warehouse, warehouses on wheels.  Everything is so 
dependant on when stuff arrives we as a country would be screwed if 
something happened to stop ontime delivery.  Its not like the old days 
where you had many a months, or weeks supplies of stuff at any 
particular location, everying is received just in time.  In other 
words, just as a business, store, or whatever is running out of 
something is when the truck arrives.


Tom Scordato wrote:


John Berryman said

I guess you wouldn't mind paying a lot more for every thing you buy
when trucks start costing more than a half million bucks. Note what
fuel surcharges alone can do to the price of shipping.
Maybe you should become a truck driver, it seems you might be more
attentive than some already on the job. That's where the problem really
exists, the human factor. Knowledge, skill, attitude, alertness and
emotions all factor in and vary widely between individuals.

John to answer your question no I would not mind paying more.  We are the 
most spoiled society on earth when it comes to that.
And Trucks do not need to cost a million bucks here are a few more thoughts 
that might work, heck maybe they are being tried allready.


A) pay truckers a decent salary  (may I suggest 75,000 to 100K ? a year plus 
benefits factor in inflation) to be away from their families, not piece meal 
$ for mile that is only asking for trouble.  This would include salary 
minimums for independents as well as company truckers
B) limit, monitors and track speeds with engine electronic and confirm of 
trucks via satellite or some other method.
C) brain and education, psycho test, similar to getting a merchant marine 
cost guard license, nuclear operators license or other licensed  positions 
renewable every five years.  These are to be real strict.  Try to weed out 
the chaff.
D) people and the industry can wait the extra three to five days (?)  the 
lower speed limits would entail, no one is going to melt because of it.  We 
survived when it took trains three weeks to deliver something.  Matter of 
fact we actually manufactured things back then stuff the whole world 
including us purchased.
E) weigh stations especially in the northeast (which are rarely open) would 
be required to be open allot more often (50%) of the time. Spot truck safety 
checks.
F) satellite tracking of speed and movement to determine and limit speed and 
number of hours truck operators are on the road

G) mandatory drug testing for uppers and downers
H) major bonuses for operators with a clean record who do not drive 
aggressively, reward safety.  Severely penalize truckers for accidents when 
they are at fault.  Like loose your commercial license, never drive 
commercially again just like if you screw up on a merchant ship, they rip 
your coast guard license up.
I) as an industry have a campain to educate the four wheelers to share in 
safety.


Make it a profession again instead of what one person told me it was prison 
for me or trucking.  Please do not compare trucks with cars by saying they 
should entail the same standards.  99% of the folks driving cars are not 
professionals.  Tuckers are supposed to be professionals, not cowboys. 
There is too much at stake.


Regards Tom Scordato
Bellefonte PA































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On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 06:34 AM, Tom Scordato wrote:



An
industry which should have the same safety standards as lets say the
aerospace industry or maritime industry, is certainly lacking, big
time, yet
on a day by day basis affects as many if not more people.


I guess you wouldn't mind paying a lot more for every thing you buy
when trucks start costing more than a half million bucks. Note what
fuel surcharges alone can do to the price of shipping.
Maybe you should become a truck driver, it seems you might be more
attentive than some already on the job. That's where the problem really
exists, the human factor. Knowledge, skill, attitude, alertness and
emotions all factor in and vary widely between individuals.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am
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Re: [MBZ] Nice 190D Low Miles

2006-02-02 Thread John Berryman


On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 05:22 PM, Marshall Booth wrote:


A couple of my cars have full (both) undershields, my 124 only has the
front shield (now - I destroyed the rear one) and my 190D 2.5 doesn't
have ANY sound shields (the PO was an IDIOT). The factory replacements
are EXPENSIVE, but the early shields and pads are MUCH less expensive
then the later ones (but I don't know why).

Marshall
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	Mechanics must pull them off and throw them in the dumpster or 
something. I had a 201 stored at my buddies junk yard and he crushed it 
and shipped it while I was gone. I told him I had almost everything I 
wanted from it months earlier. That's the way the cookie crumbles.

Shouldn't be too hard to make one either.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am


Re: [MBZ] Trucking Industry the Saga continues

2006-02-02 Thread Kevin
On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 07:04:35PM -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 Yep, I had to take a pee test before I could even APPLY for my CDL.  And 
 yes, standards are WAY more strict.  For example, its illegal to carry a 
 firearm in a commercial vehicle with a CDL, even if you hold a conceal 
 and carry permit.  You can lose your license and go to jail immediatly.

ODD, as that is not the case in california (of all places). Actually, you
don't need a CCW to carry in an owner-operator rig in CA (and there's case
law on that one).

K



Re: [MBZ] 300SDL For sale

2006-02-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

Where is it located, got any pics?

Peter T. Arnold wrote:


Let's cut to the chase.

My car is worth $5,000 I THINK

But it needs sunroof repair of $1000
Total Paint of $1000  {I'm figuring enamel here, will look good for 5
years or so.)

So, I'll listen real hard to $3500 offer.

Car is my daily driver, sees about 500 miles a week, it is very
reliable.

Uses no coolant (#14 head)
Uses about 2 qt of DELVAC! at 10,000 mile change.
Has 2 cracks in dashboard.
Has Clarion Stereo/CD/MP3 player

24mpg at 75mph.

In the past 50,000 miles I've done the following, most of it
proactively due to comments on this list.

New Radiator
New water pump.
New Glow Plugs and relay
New Vacuum pump
New lifters
Total exhaust
New 16 alloys (Tires are about gone)
Serp Belt, Shock etc about 25Kmi ago.
Front Brakes, calipers, rotors and Bilsteins about 15Kmi ago.  Rears
are scheduled for this spring.

This was a southern car, paint is badly faded.  Never been hit HARD,
It did have minor R/R quarter damage the was painted by someone after
a long hydraulic lunch.

If any one on this list is interested, contact me.  I can deliver for
expenses.

Pete, Who's best frind says he has too many toys and not enough time.

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[MBZ] power brake bleeder

2006-02-02 Thread Dennis Perkins

Don,

I have had this brand for the past 3 years and highly praise it for it's 
price, ease of use and quality.


http://www.speedibleed.com/products/specialitykits2.php

Dennis Perkins
84 300SD


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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:41:50 -0600
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What's a good one to buy? I think the time has come to purchase one.

Performance Products catalog has a Power Bleeder in two flavors, $50 and
$65.

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Re: [MBZ] Trucking Industry the Saga continues

2006-02-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

uhhh, California doesnt have much say so about it, its a national thing.

Kevin wrote:


On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 07:04:35PM -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Yep, I had to take a pee test before I could even APPLY for my CDL.  And 
yes, standards are WAY more strict.  For example, its illegal to carry a 
firearm in a commercial vehicle with a CDL, even if you hold a conceal 
and carry permit.  You can lose your license and go to jail immediatly.



ODD, as that is not the case in california (of all places). Actually, you
don't need a CCW to carry in an owner-operator rig in CA (and there's case
law on that one).

K

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Belt Problem

2006-02-02 Thread John Berryman


On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 06:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:


I hope and pray you'll find a med that works for you.   Laying in 
bed in
pain in a remote location like a motel room is againy in itself!   Try 
to
get your PCP to give you a referral to a Anestheologists - they have 
the

tools to make the pain go away and they work hard at doing so -

Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 78 240D)



	Thanks Larry. I'm still hoping it will just go away. I am avoiding the 
surgery, even the surgeon says if you can take the pain don't get cut. 
I know technology is making all kinds of stuff possible but I'm going 
to stick it out.
	I have an appointment in a couple of weeks, I'll talk to the Dr. He 
seems to genuinely care and understand the problem. He also understands 
that I've made a lot of lifestyle changes but there is still a need for 
me to abuse my body from time to time.



Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am


Re: [MBZ] experts / blowhards

2006-02-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

You can send $50, paypal is OK

LT Don wrote:


Actually, no ... I was just thinking tonight about how much help this list
has given me over the past few years.  That's all.

Don


On 2/2/06, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Let the record show, the witness made the 'drinky-drinky' motion

On 2/1/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
huh?

Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state
'87 300TD intercooler (211k)
'84 300D (207k)
Gashuffer:
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[MBZ] speaking of LT don and his recent post...

2006-02-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Would be interesting to find out how people came to be on this list(or 
the previous mbz.org)


I will start, I was lead to the RE and MBCA list by Diann Quinn from 
Chicago(wisonsin maybe), signed up.  Was on the MBCA list till it was 
canned by the high and mighty at the home office.  Later kicked off the 
RE list and was a founding charter memember of mbz.org in 98(or was it 
99?)  Anyway, thats my story.

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 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Trucking Industry the Saga continues

2006-02-02 Thread lee
On Wednesday 01 February 2006 5:51, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 so lets here some of those idiot 4 wheeler driver stories.  I always
 love those.


I think anyone living in the Sonoran desert basin of Arizona has a few- we see 
'em in the news constantly. 

When it rains hard in the desert around Phoenix and Tucson during the 
monsoons, there are any number of washes which cross major roads and which 
become impassable, raging torrents of water as much as five or six feet deep. 
Invariably, some weenie thinks I can cross that, I've got a FOUR WHEEL 
DRIVE!

Generally, you get to see the weenie on the six o'clock news, standing on the 
roof of his submerged SUV, waving arms frantically at the rescue helicopter 
overhead. 

Apparently, some folks don't realize that a four wheel drive is not a 
submarine. Maybe they forgot that the cute propeller thingie on their trailer 
hitch is just for looks...

The best is when they show a picture of the vehicle and it is clearly just a 
few yards up or downstream from another four-wheel-drive which got stuck 
trying the same thing. 

Lee



Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Mitch Haley
wilton strickland wrote:
 
  Anybody hear W say anythng abt biodiesel to reduce dependence on oil?

I missed the state of the union address, but last I knew, the solution
to our dependence on foreign oil was to drill some wells and finish 
using up our own oil. That'll really make us less dependent on other
countries which still have oil.



Re: [MBZ] Trucking Industry the Saga continues

2006-02-02 Thread David Brodbeck

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Some truckers already make that kind of money, my dads neighbor makes 
more than that.  They already have sat tracking and can monitor speeds 
etc, luther can probably tell you about that.  What is lower speeds 
going to do?  Its a proven fact that lower speeds cause MORE wrecks 
because people get too bored and relaxed and such slow speeds.


The problem is the sheer physics involved.  A truck going 80 mph has a 
tremendous stopping distance, even compared to a car at the same speed.  
There's the sheer weight involved, and the fact that semi braking 
systems aren't exactly state of the art -- compared to a car, they're 
pretty underbraked.  (The coal trucking industry fought an anti-lock 
braking system mandate by pointing out that a loaded coal truck can't 
generate enough braking effort to lock its wheels!  I also remember 
hearing about an accident where a truck took out a car that was stopped 
at the bottom of a hill waiting to turn left.  The trucker was not 
issued a ticket because the police determined that, travelling at the 
speed limit, there was no way he could have seen the car in time to stop 
before hitting it -- once he crested the hill the car was already closer 
than his minimum stopping distance.)




Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
no, he didnt mention biodiesel but did mention making ethanol out of 
stocks, switchgrass and such.  Should have mentioned drilling in ANWR, 
off the coast of FL and CA, and exploiting oil shale deposits.  Also 
should have mentioned the need to build more refinaries and nuke plants.


Mitch Haley wrote:


wilton strickland wrote:


Anybody hear W say anythng abt biodiesel to reduce dependence on oil?



I missed the state of the union address, but last I knew, the solution
to our dependence on foreign oil was to drill some wells and finish 
using up our own oil. That'll really make us less dependent on other

countries which still have oil.

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Re: [MBZ] Trucking Industry the Saga continues

2006-02-02 Thread David Brodbeck

R A Bennell wrote:

Recent article in our local paper says that the average age of truckers
these days is climbing. Young people are not interested in the job and there
is a shortage of drivers. Expect things to get worse before they get better.
  


Does a CDL require an annual physical exam, like a pilot's license?  It 
seems like it should for truckers carrying hazardous loads, at very 
least.  There was recently an incident where I-5 was closed because a 
tank truck turned over after the driver had a heart attack.  Fortunately 
he was able to guide the truck onto the shoulder before dying, or he 
wouldn't have been the only casualty.




Re: [MBZ] Trucking Industry the Saga continues

2006-02-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
not sure about annual, but yes, you have to have to pass DOT physical to 
get CDL


David Brodbeck wrote:


R A Bennell wrote:


Recent article in our local paper says that the average age of truckers
these days is climbing. Young people are not interested in the job and there
is a shortage of drivers. Expect things to get worse before they get better.
 



Does a CDL require an annual physical exam, like a pilot's license?  It 
seems like it should for truckers carrying hazardous loads, at very 
least.  There was recently an incident where I-5 was closed because a 
tank truck turned over after the driver had a heart attack.  Fortunately 
he was able to guide the truck onto the shoulder before dying, or he 
wouldn't have been the only casualty.


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Re: [MBZ] Trucking Industry the Saga continues

2006-02-02 Thread Mitch Haley
lee wrote:
 
 Apparently, some folks don't realize that a four wheel drive is not a
 submarine.

You haven't seen the commercials for Jeep SUVs in recent years, have you?
You can park those things completely under water, start them up and drive
right out of the ocean. They don't even get wet inside.



Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Zeitgeist
Well, if those are the best means of reducing our dependence upon
foreign oil, then we should just annex Canada; our largest single
source of foreign oil...and, lately they've shown themselves to be
really unstable.

On 2/1/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 no, he didnt mention biodiesel but did mention making ethanol out of
 stocks, switchgrass and such.  Should have mentioned drilling in ANWR,
 off the coast of FL and CA, and exploiting oil shale deposits.  Also
 should have mentioned the need to build more refinaries and nuke plants.

 Mitch Haley wrote:

  wilton strickland wrote:
 
  Anybody hear W say anythng abt biodiesel to reduce dependence on oil?
 
 
  I missed the state of the union address, but last I knew, the solution
  to our dependence on foreign oil was to drill some wells and finish
  using up our own oil. That'll really make us less dependent on other
  countries which still have oil.


Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state
'87 300TD intercooler (211k)
'84 300D (207k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)



[MBZ] worth at least 17K, a must read auction

2006-02-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300SEL-6-3-Modern-Day-Chitty-Chitty-Bang-Bang-1971-MB-300SEL-6-3_W0QQitemZ4609720968QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Re: [MBZ] experts / blowhards

2006-02-02 Thread Ed Booher
On 2/1/06, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The other list, the idiots:  LT Don, 

Somehow or other, my toilet paper always ends up in my ear. Is this
what you are talking about?

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[MBZ] just what you need for your boat

2006-02-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

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http://www.striplin.net



Re: [MBZ] speaking of LT don and his recent post...

2006-02-02 Thread Mitch Haley
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 
 Would be interesting to find out how people came to be on this list(or
 the previous mbz.org)

I found MBZ.org in 2002 through an internet search, after I decided
I wanted a turbodiesel and then figured out that older MBZ were cheaper
than VW turbos.



Re: [MBZ] speaking of LT don and his recent post...

2006-02-02 Thread Ed Booher
On 2/1/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Would be interesting to find out how people came to be on this list(or
 the previous mbz.org)

Well, if we're sharing ... I had been doing some research on
BioDiesel. Trying to educate myself about the differences between
DinoDiesel, and AlternaDiesels. Came to the conclusion that what I
really want is a 116 / 123 Diesel MB. Shop right up the street from
where I work deals primarily in MB work. Started talking to Chris up
there about MB's, Diesel ones particularly. He had just gotten back a
108 that used to be his personal car he'd sold to a customer / friend
and was selling for him. (So he knew a lot about it). So I started
researching 108's and ran across the mbz.org board / page / system and
joined the mailing list.

Didn't buy the 108, though I really, really should have. Mostly
because I didn't have the $$ he was asking. But I had almost got him
to agree to a pay here type of deal before he sold it to another guy.
*sighs* Lost opportunities.

Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

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Re: [MBZ] Trucking Industry the Saga continues

2006-02-02 Thread David Brodbeck

Mitch Haley wrote:

I first read that in a motorcycle magazine when I was a teenager. Having
a preplanned strategy for if this bozo tries to kill me does work. When
the other driver does try to kill me, my contingency plan is implemented
faster than I can think.
  


There's a related saying, in aviation, that you should never let an 
airplane take you somewhere that your mind didn't get to five minutes 
ago.  In driving our time horizons are measured in seconds instead of 
minutes, but we still need to plan ahead.


For example, most people fail to consider their sight distance when 
setting their speed.  What if that blind curve or that rise in the road 
hides a downed tree, a washout, or a stalled car?  I learned this lesson 
as a young driver when I blasted around a curve at 60 mph and found a 
tractor on the other side doing 15 mph in my lane.  Scared the crap out 
of me.  Now I don't do that anymore.





Re: [MBZ] speaking of LT don and his recent post...

2006-02-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
speaking of internet searches, striplin.net is now on google it appears. 
  Now almost hate to switch over to okiebenz.com, will have to start 
over again sort of I guess.


Mitch Haley wrote:


Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


Would be interesting to find out how people came to be on this list(or
the previous mbz.org)



I found MBZ.org in 2002 through an internet search, after I decided
I wanted a turbodiesel and then figured out that older MBZ were cheaper
than VW turbos.

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Re: [MBZ] Trucking Industry the Saga continues

2006-02-02 Thread David Brodbeck

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
not sure about annual, but yes, you have to have to pass DOT physical to 
get CDL
  


Thanks.  That's reassuring.




[MBZ] now this is a cheap 300D

2006-02-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300D-1985-Mercedes-Turbo-Diesel_W0QQitemZ4609579459QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Re: [MBZ] acetone again

2006-02-02 Thread Curt Raymond
Uhh, wouldn't they want to surpress this with all the power available to them? 
10% lowered sales would seem disasterous.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:50:55 -0500
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Howdy -
If this story were true wouldn;t the gas/fuel companies put a bit of 
Acetone 
in for us?  Something that would bump mileage by 10% or so would seem 
to be 
a pretty good advertising story - they could do it and we would never 
know 
unless they told us.

Sincerely,
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I think your next step, given the age of the engine, should be a 
compression check.  Compression problems usually show up as cold start 
issues long before they affect power or economy.  When it gets really 
low the engine will start to misfire at warm idle and will be a bear to 
start when cold, but it'll still drive well at speed.

If it's not compression, check for bad injectors, especially if you're 
getting a lot of nailing with the engine warm.  In my experience a VW 
diesel with good injectors, and properly timed, is relatively quiet for 
a diesel -- they don't clatter as much as the other mechanical diesels 
I've experienced.  Rebuilt injectors are around $40 each; if the ones 
you have are original to the car, you may be amazed at the reduction in 
smoke and noise with new ones.  (Or you can take them to a Bosch shop 
and get them pop tested.  Last time I did this it was $10 an injector, 
which could be credited towards rebuilt ones if they were bad.)



Re: [MBZ] speaking of LT don and his recent post...

2006-02-02 Thread OK Don
Can you run it on both domain names?

On 2/1/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 speaking of internet searches, striplin.net is now on google it appears.
Now almost hate to switch over to okiebenz.com, will have to start
 over again sort of I guess.


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Re: [MBZ] speaking of LT don and his recent post...

2006-02-02 Thread OK Don
I started looking for more info after I bought the SLC in '98. Settled
on Joe Amelia's SL list. Moved to MBZ when Todd took over after Joe
bought the boat and sold the SL. Been here ever since -- kind of like
that stray dog/cat that got fed once, and now you can't get rid of --

On 2/1/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Would be interesting to find out how people came to be on this list(or
 the previous mbz.org)



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Re: [MBZ] speaking of LT don and his recent post...

2006-02-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

I can probably have one pointing to the other.

OK Don wrote:


Can you run it on both domain names?

On 2/1/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


speaking of internet searches, striplin.net is now on google it appears.
  Now almost hate to switch over to okiebenz.com, will have to start
over again sort of I guess.




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Re: [MBZ] Trucking Industry the Saga continues

2006-02-02 Thread Tom Scordato
thanks John.  I seems the things I suggested are in for the most part in 
affect.  Then why aremany of them still maniacs?  Are they just trying to 
get home earlier?  One maniac with 100,000 lbs is too many.  Regards Tom
- Original Message - 
From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trucking Industry the Saga continues




On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 01:37 PM, Tom Scordato wrote:


John to answer your question no I would not mind paying more.


I know I would. You would too , you're just caught up in the moment.





  We are the
most spoiled society on earth when it comes to that.


We're spoiled in almost every aspect. (except automotive lighting)


And Trucks do not need to cost a million bucks here are a few more
thoughts
that might work, heck maybe they are being tried allready.

A) pay truckers a decent salary  (may I suggest 75,000 to 100K ? a
year plus
benefits factor in inflation) to be away from their families, not
piece meal
$ for mile that is only asking for trouble.  This would include salary
minimums for independents as well as company truckers


Some do make money like that and that's the life of a trucker.


B) limit, monitors and track speeds with engine electronic and confirm
of
trucks via satellite or some other method.


All this has been done for years and it is increasing.


C) brain and education, psycho test, similar to getting a merchant
marine
cost guard license, nuclear operators license or other licensed
positions
renewable every five years.  These are to be real strict.  Try to weed
out
the chaff.


Getting a CDL requires training and testing. Commercial drivers are
faced with stiffer penalties and can loose there license for way fewer
infractions than a common operator.


D) people and the industry can wait the extra three to five days (?)
the
lower speed limits would entail, no one is going to melt because of
it.  We
survived when it took trains three weeks to deliver something.  Matter
of
fact we actually manufactured things back then stuff the whole world
including us purchased.


The rest of the world has been accustomed to speedy service and its
the customer that inevitably sets the standard. i doubt the general
public wants to wait any longer. For some next-day is too slow.


E) weigh stations especially in the northeast (which are rarely open)
would
be required to be open allot more often (50%) of the time. Spot truck
safety
checks.


The fact that they exist and could be open dictates that they drive
safe trucks and haul safe loads. If you drove professionally, you'd
think that there are too many open too much.
In a lot of locales, they employ a system that takes info
electronically and truck just have to pass under the sensors. This can
only be used by those that meet all the requirements. Other trucks must
pull into the weigh stations.


F) satellite tracking of speed and movement to determine and limit
speed and
number of hours truck operators are on the road


In effect for a long time.


G) mandatory drug testing for uppers and downers


Same as above. Long time.


H) major bonuses for operators with a clean record who do not drive
aggressively, reward safety.  Severely penalize truckers for accidents
when
they are at fault.  Like loose your commercial license, never drive
commercially again just like if you screw up on a merchant ship, they
rip
your coast guard license up.


This is done. Insurance Cos give Safe Driver discounts and penalties
otherwise to private individuals as well as commercial drivers and
trucking companies. A CDL is a Federal License issued by the various
states, believe me, they're plenty strict as they are.


I) as an industry have a campain to educate the four wheelers to
share in
safety.


Amen, but this should be done before a license is issued after a
certain amount of infractions/accidents and periodically throughout the
life of drivers. Re-Testing should be mandatory as well. Some states
are re-testing seniors. This is a good thing. If you can't pass written
and driving tests you pose a threat to fellow drivers, pedestrians and
property and should not be allowed the privelage of a driver's license.



Make it a profession again instead of what one person told me it was
prison
for me or trucking.  Please do not compare trucks with cars by saying
they
should entail the same standards.  99% of the folks driving cars are
not
professionals.  Tuckers are supposed to be professionals, not cowboys.
There is too much at stake.


How many more rights do you want us to give up? The bad drivers
obsolete themselves over time, many lose their license and drive any
way but its near impossible to drive a truck unlicensed, thanks to the
regs you hopefully now realize are in effect.



Regards Tom Scordato
Bellefonte PA


Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] MB EPC Electronics Parts Catalog ON LINE

2006-02-02 Thread Tom Scordato

Well said Dave M.!  I just love the tool,
Regards Tom Scordato
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB EPC Electronics Parts Catalog ON LINE



John,

To add to what Tom said:

1) It takes time to look things up. The parts guys don't like spending
a lot of time getting info, just to have the customer choke on the
cost and say no thanks. So I do all my research and pricing
beforehand, and only call when I'm actually ready to order. Saves me
AND Rusty a lot of time - and money!

2) It can be very hard to describe oddball parts over the phone,
assuming you're not down at the local dealership where the parts guy
will let you look at his EPC screen and you can point to the item in
question. Having it on your own computer is awesome.

3) I like to compare parts used on early vs. late versions of the same
chassis, to find interesting upgrades, or to see what parts are
compatible with old/new, etc. This is something the parts guys have
little interest in, especially if you're going to be buying the parts
used instead of new.

4) I look up parts for Euro models in my worldwide EPC - something the
USA dealers can't do. Obtaining Euro parts can be a pain in some
cases, depending on if MB USA wants a Euro VIN number to release the
part, etc.

5) The EPC has a reverse lookup feature that I absolutely love. You
can enter a part number, and it will tell you what exact models it's
used on, and show you the group/subgroup within that model. The
worldwide version lets you specify which market (NA, Europe, Japan,
etc) if desired, to limit results. It also allows an SA search, if you
have the 5-digit SA code.

6) The EPC allows you to look up the vehicle datacard. This is great
to get color codes when buying a car, or looking at ads online - you
can tell if it's Tex or leather, and what exactly tan or gold
really is. It also means you can check the options installed. I've
done this when buying used parts, when a wrecker claims to have a
Sportline steering box, I can check the VIN and tell if it has the
proper codes or not. Most of the time the wrecker is wrong, it saves
me a lot of time and $$$ to figure this out over the phone BEFORE
placing an order.

Just a few things to keep in mind... it really is handy!

:-)

-Dave M.


--
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:01:59 -0500
From: Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] MB EPC Electronics Parts Catalog ON LINE


Why the desperation? Can't you let the folks you buy your parts from
look up the items that you need, for you? You will have to speak to a
parts person to make a purchase or choose from items on a web site any
way.
I have managed to survive all these years without one. I let the parts
guys be the parts guys and I take it from there.D

John thanks for asking.  The answer is yes I could do those things you
describe and have been bothering Rusty and others exactly as you 
describe.

But in all honesty it is my little way of being able to compare parts on
eBay, get parts from junk yards, between models ect.  Besides it gives me
something to do.  Keeps me out of pool halls and such.

Regards Tom Scordato
Bellefonte PA
1977 300D
1979 240D


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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread David Brodbeck

lee wrote:
What I want to know is, did he address the irresponsibility of driving a seven 
thousand pound, ten mile to the gallon behemoth SUV simply to go to the mall 
and take your kiddies to soccer practice? 
  


No, of course not.  His proposals were all supply-side -- mostly more 
subsidies.  Conservation is un-American, remember?





[MBZ] Speaker wiring. . 1990 190e

2006-02-02 Thread Troy Kocher
Listers,

I need some information or perhaps just a source for a diagram. . I am
trying to install my daughters new radio and am having issues
identifying the wiring. . Can anyone provide some assistance. .

Thanks
Troy Kocher
Nashville TN

7 240d (biofuels.ca) 191kMi SOLD, 79 280CE 130kMi,  77 240d parts,
81 240d 287kMi
82 300CD 215kMi SOLD, 90 190E 53kMi, 95 E300d 189kMi



[MBZ] I see this pig is back

2006-02-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

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 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net



Re: [MBZ] Trucking Industry the Saga continues

2006-02-02 Thread John Berryman


On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 02:14 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:


I am more than a little dismayed at the demise of the quality of the
professional truck driver.  not long ago, the big rig driver would 
often be
an exemplar for safe and courteous driving.  today, trucks scare me 
more

than drunks.



	A direct result of drug testing. Its affected many other industries 
too.



Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am


[MBZ] Truckers fight biodiesel mandate

2006-02-02 Thread David Brodbeck
The trucking industry is fighting a proposal to mandate 2% biodiesel in 
all diesel fuel sold in Washington state.  They're concerned about poor 
fuel quality causing unreliability and warranty issues with engine 
manufacturers.  Apparently a similar initiative in Minnesota resulted in 
widespread problems with clogged filters and gelled fuel.


Article here: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/257659_biodiesel31.html

My gut feeling: It's too soon to mandate this kind of thing.  The 
biodiesel industry needs to mature to the point where it can provide a 
consistent, inexpensive product before anyone is required to use it.  I 
also think wanting to subsidize local farmers is the wrong reason to do 
it -- but that doesn't mean there aren't valid reasons.  I think it 
would be nice to see biodiesel offered as an alternative lubricity 
additive for low-sulfur fuel, for example.  (The fight over the 
lubricity additive that *has* been mandated, and what it does to 
pipelines, is a whole 'nother discussion.)




[MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread wilton strickland
'Point is we've never had and still don't have any national energy policy
but, Use as much as we can as fast as we can.

Wilton




Re: [MBZ] Truckers fight biodiesel mandate

2006-02-02 Thread lee
 The trucking industry is fighting a proposal to mandate 2% biodiesel in
 all diesel fuel sold in Washington state.  They're concerned about poor
 fuel quality causing unreliability and warranty issues with engine
 manufacturers.  Apparently a similar initiative in Minnesota resulted in
 widespread problems with clogged filters and gelled fuel.

 Article here: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/257659_biodiesel31.html

Must be really, really cold, if the truckers are having gelling issues with 
commercial grade  B20. I buy B20 biodiesel in Santa Fe and it has a gel point 
of 30 degrees below zero. 

Clogged filters I can believe, as biodiesel can loosen up accumulated crud in 
an engine. OTOH, the increased lubricity will probably make their engines 
last 25% longer, so maybe they should suck it up, replace the filters, and be 
glad they have cleaner, longer lasting engines that pollute far less. The 
petrodiesel exhaust which the truckers are breathing daily is carcinogenenic, 
and so the truckers themselves will arguably last longer with biodiesel also. 


The downside from a strictly self-centered vantage is that the Minnesota law 
created a temporary biodiesel shortage out here, with prices even for the B20 
spiking up to $4 per gallon. But now there are more biodiesel refineries 
opening up, and things are stabilizing again. 

 But 2% biodiesel, is that enough to do anything, good or bad? I wouldn't 
think that would have a significant impact on gelling, filter clogging, or 
air pollution. 

Lee





Re: [MBZ] experts / blowhards

2006-02-02 Thread Luther Gulseth

You need toilet paper on your nose!

On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 18:32:51 -0600, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I will not name names -- no matter how much $$$ I am offered -- ... well  
...






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'82 300CD (158,222 kmi)
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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Rick Knoble

'Point is we've never had and still don't have any national energy policy
but, Use as much as we can as fast as we can.

Wilton


IIRC, Jimmy Carter had us turning our thermostats down to 68. His 
administration may have been responsible for the implementation of CAFE 
standards in 1978 also. I agree that we haven't had much of an energy policy 
in recent decades.

Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD



Re: [MBZ] Sound panels, was Nice 190D Low Miles

2006-02-02 Thread Aaron Lam
They are pretty expensive to buy new, considering that they're not
much more than shaped pieces of plastic lined with foam. Here's what
they look like brand new, for a 124 diesel:
http://w124.f0e.net/124_goodies/sound_panels/

-Aaron



Re: [MBZ] experts / blowhards

2006-02-02 Thread LT Don
EXACTLY.  A perfect description of my mechanical efforts.

On 2/2/06, Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 2/1/06, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The other list, the idiots:  LT Don, 

 Somehow or other, my toilet paper always ends up in my ear. Is this
 what you are talking about?

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Re: [MBZ] Trucking Industry the Saga continues

2006-02-02 Thread Luther Gulseth

Well said Kaleb.

The trucks I maintain haul parts for Nissan, Toyota, Honda, Chrysler, US  
Mail, and other high priority (JIT) freight.  Many times our trailer is  
live loaded/unloaded (mostly Toyota) onto the assembly line and other  
times it sits less than 4 hours before parts are used on the assembly  
line.  Life's extremely exciting when one of these trucks breaks down.   
I'm the only maintenance person who can get tires changed NASCAR style  
and other trucks pulled out of the shop by a forklift to repair mine.   
Damnit, I love the power that gives me. :D


There are also 15-20 drivers I manage who easily make 100-130k a year and  
are home 2 nights/days a week.  They make 3-4 times my salary and I tell  
them what to do.


On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:00:30 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:



Some truckers already make that kind of money, my dads neighbor makes
more than that.  They already have sat tracking and can monitor speeds
etc, luther can probably tell you about that.  What is lower speeds
going to do?  Its a proven fact that lower speeds cause MORE wrecks
because people get too bored and relaxed and such slow speeds.  Some
areas raised their speeds to something like 80 (out in tx somewhere I
think) and it LOWERED accidents quite a bit.  And as for people can wait
longer for the load to get there,  BT, WRONG.  The way it is now the
semi truck IS the warehouse, warehouses on wheels.  Everything is so
dependant on when stuff arrives we as a country would be screwed if
something happened to stop ontime delivery.  Its not like the old days
where you had many a months, or weeks supplies of stuff at any
particular location, everying is received just in time.  In other
words, just as a business, store, or whatever is running out of
something is when the truck arrives.





--
Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (231,xxx kmi)
'82 300CD (158,xxx kmi)
'90 300E  '82 300D (parts or run?)



Re: [MBZ] Trucking Industry the Saga continues

2006-02-02 Thread Luther Gulseth
Oh yea, I was going to mention the technology is out there to control the  
trucks ECM through the satellite.  Commands can be sent (like shut down at  
next stop), read engine codes, and many other goodies.


On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 21:20:28 -0600, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:



Well said Kaleb.

The trucks I maintain haul parts for Nissan, Toyota, Honda, Chrysler, US
Mail, and other high priority (JIT) freight.  Many times our trailer is
live loaded/unloaded (mostly Toyota) onto the assembly line and other
times it sits less than 4 hours before parts are used on the assembly
line.  Life's extremely exciting when one of these trucks breaks down.
I'm the only maintenance person who can get tires changed NASCAR style
and other trucks pulled out of the shop by a forklift to repair mine.
Damnit, I love the power that gives me. :D

There are also 15-20 drivers I manage who easily make 100-130k a year and
are home 2 nights/days a week.  They make 3-4 times my salary and I tell
them what to do.





--
Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (231,xxx kmi)
'82 300CD (158,xxx kmi)
'90 300E  '82 300D (parts or run?)



Re: [MBZ] experts / blowhards

2006-02-02 Thread LT Don
Allow me to explain.

When I first got my 240D (a couple of years ago), some folks on here were
extremely patient and held my hand while I got used to working in it. Stuff
that is now second nature to me were absolute mysteries at the time. And
even with that experience, I have little in the way of mechanical expertise
to offer in return for all I've received.

So, now I drag home Loren's old VW diesel (with one owner in there between
Loren and me). Working on this, I suddenly feel really stupid again, and
have no diesel list to turn to with this diesel. Oh, I found a forum, but
most of these guys are more concerned with hanging spoilers under their
Passats then they are concerned with maintaining something old.

Made me appreciate how much assistance I've received from our small circle
of experts here.



On 2/2/06, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well then, me (aka the witness) shall hoist one (or two) just for you.





--
1977 240D
1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed
1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen


Re: [MBZ] Truckers fight biodiesel mandate

2006-02-02 Thread David Brodbeck
lee wrote:
 OTOH, the increased lubricity will probably make their engines
 last 25% longer, so maybe they should suck it up, replace the filters, and be 
 glad they have cleaner, longer lasting engines that pollute far less.

That may be true, but it's hard to make that case when some engine
manufacturers are telling them they won't honor fuel system warranties
on engines used with biodiesel.

 But 2% biodiesel, is that enough to do anything, good or bad? I wouldn't 
 think that would have a significant impact on gelling, filter clogging, or 
 air pollution. 

Cynical answer: It's enough to drive up the local market for soybeans,
which is probably the main goal.

Less cynical answer: Small concentrations of biodiesel have been shown
to increase lubricity significantly, and reduce particulates somewhat.
I think the sponsors of the bill would also tell you that 2% is just a
starting point.



[MBZ] Cheap 87 300TD

2006-02-02 Thread Aaron Lam
Potential rustbucket. Hard to tell from the lack of pictures.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4609667109

-Aaron



Re: [MBZ] experts / blowhards

2006-02-02 Thread David Brodbeck
LT Don wrote:
 So, now I drag home Loren's old VW diesel (with one owner in there between
 Loren and me). Working on this, I suddenly feel really stupid again, and
 have no diesel list to turn to with this diesel. Oh, I found a forum, but
 most of these guys are more concerned with hanging spoilers under their
 Passats then they are concerned with maintaining something old.

Try the Audi-VW-Diesels Yahoo group:  It's pretty quiet, compared to
this list, but ask a question and you should get some help.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Audi-VW-Diesels/



Re: [MBZ] speaking of LT don and his recent post...

2006-02-02 Thread LT Don
He can barely run one, and you want him to run two?

On 2/2/06, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Can you run it on both domain names?





--
1977 240D
1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed
1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen


Re: [MBZ] Ethanol

2006-02-02 Thread RELNGSON
I have found that ethanol in fuel is garbage, I put a tank full of ethanol
blend into the 230E and it hated it, fuel mileage went down as well. No
wonder our friends the oil companies are pushing for an ethanol blend, worse
mileage equals more fuel sold.

Maybe fifteen years ago 10% ethanol was mandated in certain zip codes in the 
winter months in western Washington. After EPA air quality requirements were 
met, ethanol went away, thank God. It is true that mileage drops 10% which was 
proven to me, tank after tank. It's hard to measure performance except to say 
that it was noticeably down. Which means, obviously, that monthly fuel cost 
went up 10%.

My Porsche isn't driven much and so I didn't want ethanol in the tank all 
winter, so I gassed it up in late September which I made last until normal gas 
was again available in about March. Maybe April.

The main benefactors turn out to be ADM Corp. plus the Iowa corn farmers.

RLE/Seattle


Re: [MBZ] speaking of LT don and his recent post...

2006-02-02 Thread LT Don
I have no idea how I ended up on here. Probably Google. Wouldn't be the
first time that something I found on Google has screwed up my life!  [Anyone
want to buy a slightly used black latex jumpsuit, size 48 long?]

On 2/2/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Would be interesting to find out how people came to be on this list(or
 the previous mbz.org)

 I will start, I was lead to the RE and MBCA list by Diann Quinn from
 Chicago(wisonsin maybe), signed up.  Was on the MBCA list till it was
 canned by the high and mighty at the home office.  Later kicked off the
 RE list and was a founding charter memember of mbz.org in 98(or was it
 99?)  Anyway, thats my story.
 --
 Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
   89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
   84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
   76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] experts / blowhards

2006-02-02 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On 2/1/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 LT Don wrote:
  So, now I drag home Loren's old VW diesel (with one owner in there between
  Loren and me). Working on this, I suddenly feel really stupid again, and
  have no diesel list to turn to with this diesel. Oh, I found a forum, but
  most of these guys are more concerned with hanging spoilers under their
  Passats then they are concerned with maintaining something old.

 Try the Audi-VW-Diesels Yahoo group:  It's pretty quiet, compared to
 this list, but ask a question and you should get some help.

Also www.tdiclub.com.  Mostly aimed at newer VWs as the name implies
but there are some people on there with older ones.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo



Re: [MBZ] Belly pans

2006-02-02 Thread RELNGSON
Shouldn't be too hard to make one either.

Depends on what you want it to look like. Just yesterday I removed the front 
pan from my C320 to clean up the remains of a little boo-boo from my last oil 
change, plus eyeball the motor mounts. The pan is held on by six bolts and is 
integrated with a covers ahead, behind and on each side. I know the older cars 
are not so elaborate but cobbling one up from sheet aluminum would add weight 
plus if it came off could become a lethal piece of road debris.

RLE


Re: [MBZ] experts / blowhards

2006-02-02 Thread LT Don
I emailed the owner / manager / monitor of TDIClub asking if they covered
'83 VW diesels in their discussion, expecting a reply of we will try or
everyone is welcome or maybe, aren't you the same LT Don that is on
Banned? -- no reply. I took that as a sign that they preferred the newer VW
owners.

On 2/2/06, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 2/1/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  LT Don wrote:
   So, now I drag home Loren's old VW diesel (with one owner in there
 between
   Loren and me). Working on this, I suddenly feel really stupid again,
 and
   have no diesel list to turn to with this diesel. Oh, I found a
 forum, but
   most of these guys are more concerned with hanging spoilers under
 their
   Passats then they are concerned with maintaining something old.
 
  Try the Audi-VW-Diesels Yahoo group:  It's pretty quiet, compared to
  this list, but ask a question and you should get some help.

 Also www.tdiclub.com.  Mostly aimed at newer VWs as the name implies
 but there are some people on there with older ones.

 Alex Chamberlain
 '87 300D Turbo

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Re: [MBZ] experts / blowhards

2006-02-02 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On 2/1/06, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I emailed the owner / manager / monitor of TDIClub asking if they covered
 '83 VW diesels in their discussion, expecting a reply of we will try or
 everyone is welcome or maybe, aren't you the same LT Don that is on
 Banned? -- no reply. I took that as a sign that they preferred the newer VW
 owners.

I haven't been there in a while (no problems with the ex's TDI, knock
on wood) but IIRC there was a forum called Other VW Group Diesels
that was fairly active.  It's free to join.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo



Re: [MBZ] Belly pans and noise

2006-02-02 Thread RELNGSON
I had to fabricate a new front pan for our SDL, the original was 
long-gone.  I made it out of roof flashing, fiberglass, and
fiberglass batting (insulation).  It's a thoroughgoing mess now, due to the 
603's penchant for oil leaks, but it did
quiet the outside of the car down.

The pans noticeably quiet the car down inside by eliminating engine noise 
reflecting off the pavement. I would guess that a pre-CDI MB diesel could not 
pass Switzerland's   pass-by noise test (just one country with this 
requirement, 
there are others) without a pan.

The 1989 Porsche 911 model 964 has an enclosed engine because of the Swiss 
law.

RLE


Re: [MBZ] Wet

2006-02-02 Thread RELNGSON
You haven't seen the commercials for Jeep SUVs in recent years, have you?
You can park those things completely under water, start them up and drive
right out of the ocean.

I think you are thinking of that Toyota diesel pickup on TopGear.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2402060372341641699

RLE/Seattle


Re: [MBZ] Nice 190D Low Miles

2006-02-02 Thread John Berryman


On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 08:19 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


I had to fabricate a new front pan for our SDL, the original was
long-gone.  I made it out of roof flashing, fiberglass, and
fiberglass batting (insulation).  It's a thoroughgoing mess
now, due to the 603's penchant for oil leaks, but it did
quiet the outside of the car down.

-- Jim



	I'm going to keep my eyes open for proper materials, like a plastic 
55gal drum plastic truck mud flap or something. I'd rig it so I can use 
those oil diapers we use in boats to soak up and quell the noise. Just 
change the diapers when they're soiled.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am


Re: [MBZ] TP

2006-02-02 Thread RELNGSON
You need toilet paper on your nose!

No problem. He can use that four foot length of it trailing behind his heel, 
can't he?

Sheriff Buford T. Justice


Re: [MBZ] power brake bleeder

2006-02-02 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:10:16 -0800 Dennis Perkins
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Don,
 
 I have had this brand for the past 3 years and highly praise it for it's
 
 price, ease of use and quality.
 
 http://www.speedibleed.com/products/specialitykits2.php

I have one, too, but I got it before they added the toolbox case -- was a
lot cheaper then.


Craig



Re: [MBZ] Trucking Industry the Saga continues

2006-02-02 Thread OK Don
Huh? - Please explain. I don't see the relationship ---


 A direct result of drug testing. Its affected many other industries
 too.


 Johnny B.

--
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
'90 300D 243K, Rattled
'87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car
'81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car
'78 450SLC 67K, brown car
'97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go



Re: [MBZ] Truckers fight biodiesel mandate

2006-02-02 Thread Zeitgeist
Since I'm now officially privy to insider information, I can say
that a major manufacturer is seriously interested in investing in a
large-scale biodiesel manufacturing facility in Whitman county
Warshington.  I spoke at length with a contract lobbyist working with
this entity who wants to incubate and encourage local farmers to grow
canola plants.  Canola is currently running at 9cents a pound, but
he's willing to pay growers in Warshington 15cents as an inducement. 
This entity also thinks the mandated 2% rule is the wrong way to go,
if we're to encourage biodiesel production and consumption here in the
NW--carrot v. stick.  I'm personally excited to see the possibility
for production of bio fuels up in these parts.


Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state
'87 300TD intercooler (211k)
'84 300D (207k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)



Re: [MBZ] W123 guide rods

2006-02-02 Thread Allan Streib
On Wed, 1 Feb 2006, Trampas wrote:

 Here is what I do:

 Both guide rod bushings/bearings
 New lower ball joints (special press required)
 New idler arm
 New center drag link
 New left and right outer tie rod assemblies
 New shocks
 New steering damper
 Reseal PS box if needed.

Shocks are recent.  At last alignment, tie rods were done.

Thanks for the info.

Allan
--
1983 300D
1966 230



[MBZ] DIY W124 sunroof repair

2006-02-02 Thread Dave M.
Hi all,

Last fall, my sunroof made a sickening noise when I went to pop it
open one day. I managed to get it closed, and left it alone until I
had time to work on it, which was last week. One of the angular
lifting arms, which are the fancy mechanical pieces that allow the
sunroof to both slide open AND pop upward, had broken. And when I took
things apart, the other one broke during disassembly! I had heard all
the stories about how this is not a DIY job, and is best left to the
dealer for $1000+ in parts  labor. But, being the tightwad that I am,
I figured I'd try it myself first... and if I screwed it up, I'd have
to let the dealer fix it.

The worst part is getting the sunroof disassembled with it broken.
Normally, the first step in disassembly is to open the roof fully,
then remove the liner and front rails. Well, that is not possible when
the mechanism has broken. (See below for tips on how I did it in my
case.) After getting the trim panel out of the way, I could see the
nuts that were to be removed. I scribed marks around these so I could
re-assemble in the same position later. With the metal roof removed,
the hard part is over, then it's just a matter of carefully following
the factory service manual procedure - which, I must say, is a little
vague in some areas. I also marked exactly where the lift arms attach
to the transport bridge, the wide section that the sunroof cable
attaches to.

Once the lift arms, drip rail, and bridge are removed, you need to
clean everything up and then re-assemble. The procedure said to lube
moving parts of the lift arms with Gleitpaste (special sunroof lube),
which I did. It also said to lube the rails, and the felt pads on the
lift arms, which seemed weird but I did it anyway. It looked to me
like the felt pads would be fine with no lube, but oh well.
Installation was relatively straightforward. I had the pliers to pull
the metal roof forward, but I really don't think they're necessary.
The small plastic gauges are needed, and come in handy, but it took
some head-scratching to figure out where they attach. I forgot to take
a photo of them in place - wooops. When putting things back together,
I used the marks I had made when taking things apart, and it turned
out quite well - I didn't feel the need to do further alignment, it
looks fine. And it works perfectly! I was a pretty happy camper by
this point. :)

If you are just taking the roof apart to clean it, the only nuts that
need to be removed are the 2 on each side with the wide washers that
attach the metal roof to the bracket on the lift arms. There's no
adjustment here, no need to mark them, AFAICT. It's the two small
screws on the side that attach the bracket to the lift arms that allow
vertical adjustment for the rear of the roof - leave those alone
unless you're replacing broken arms. The other important ones are the
6 screws that attach the arms to the transport bridge. Mark the
position of the arms on the bridge - I just scribed a line along the
edge. This is less critical, IMO. Don't mess with the nuts on the
front of the metal roof panel.

The EPC indicates that the old lift arms have been superceded by new
improved lift arms for early VIN numbers only - the break is the
mid-1987 model year, and of course I had the early style. In my case,
I needed both sides (at $100+ each), plus a new drip rail, new metal
guide rails, and - allegedly - a new cable. However, you don't mess
with the cable at all. The cable design was also changed, and the EPC
says the old part must no longer be installed. I'm guessing that MB
figures if you're doing major sunroof work, this would be a good time
to upgrade the cable too. However, it's not *required*. I already had
the new cable, and figured I might as well go for it. It takes quite a
bit of force to remove once it's run out of the motor, and kind of
jerks out in sections - it seems to hang up periodically. Installing
the new cable was awful - I almost thought I was not going to get it
back in. With a friend helping to twist the cable, and me pushing, we
finally got it back to the motor and it pulled the rest of the way in
normally once it hit the motor drive gear.


Disassembly tips:
==
This worked on my car, but I can't say it will always work - I don't
know what the usual failure mode is:

1) You have to get the liner/trim panel off the sunroof. There are 4
plastic press-in clips near the front that must be popped downward. I
was able to partially raise my sunroof, and pried it up by hand as
best I could, propping it in position with whatever won't scratch the
paint. Then, through the maybe 2-inch opening, I could shine a
flashlight in to see above the liner panel. I used a long (24-30
inch), flat (3/4 wide by 1/16 thick) metal bar to wedge in between
the metal roof, and the metal frame of the liner panel. This is VERY
HARD to do unless you can look at another 124 with a good sunroof, and
pop the liner down (with the sunroof opened) to see how the clips

Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread David Brodbeck
OK Don wrote:
 Can't believe that I'm defending the clown, but I did read that he
 said in response to the GM and Ford woes that the government will not
 bail them out, that they should build something relevant. Couldn't
 believe my eyes.

I agree in principle, but I don't think it's a principled stand.  He was
all for giving money to the airlines to protect those jobs, and he has
no problem with giving tax breaks to oil companies in a year of record
profits for them.  Yet he thinks bailing out auto manufacturers isn't a
good idea.  Maybe it has something to do with union autoworkers tending
to vote Democratic.



Re: [MBZ] speaking of LT don and his recent post...

2006-02-02 Thread John Berryman


On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 09:15 PM, OK Don wrote:


On 2/1/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Would be interesting to find out how people came to be on this list(or
the previous mbz.org)




	I bought a 300CD from Jason Stern when he was in Baton Rouge. I told 
him I was trying to find a tool and he gave me the mbz.org. I don't 
remember the year but its been a while.
	I think it was Dave Wakins sent me a query to my private e-mail and 
subsequently told me about Klebbie having a discussion group/mailing 
list.
	I've been on the road with FEMA moreso over the past few years so I've 
been on and off the various lists, no time for this when disaster 
strikes.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am


Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread David Brodbeck
Alex Chamberlain wrote:
 And wearing sweaters!  Part of the reason he lost the election in
 1980---nobody wanted Mr. Rogers for president.

The Onion, in their Our Dumb Century book, had a great sendup of that
election.  It was a newspaper front page with a picture of Carter,
captioned Let's talk better mileage, and one of Reagan, captioned
Kill the bastards.



Re: [MBZ] experts / blowhards

2006-02-02 Thread Zeitgeist
It took me over a year and a half to join that list.  For some reason
or another the website wouldn't accept my application to join, and
they never returned my email.  I wouldn't read much into their lack of
response.

On 2/1/06, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I emailed the owner / manager / monitor of TDIClub asking if they covered
 '83 VW diesels in their discussion, expecting a reply of we will try or
 everyone is welcome or maybe, aren't you the same LT Don that is on
 Banned? -- no reply. I took that as a sign that they preferred the newer VW
 owners.

Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state
'87 300TD intercooler (211k)
'84 300D (207k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)



Re: [MBZ] experts / blowhards

2006-02-02 Thread Ed Booher
On 2/1/06, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It took me over a year and a half to join that list.  For some reason
 or another the website wouldn't accept my application to join, and
 they never returned my email.  I wouldn't read much into their lack of
 response.

You, sir, are too persistant for your own good.


--
Knowledge is power... Power Corrupts. Study hard... Be Evil.



Re: [MBZ] experts / blowhards

2006-02-02 Thread Loren Faeth

Ok guys  (I don't thing Jan is reading our posts anymore)

I think we just got the clue!  If we don't talk to LT Don, he will go away!
Yeeha!   ; )

At 09:31 PM 2/1/2006, you wrote:

I emailed the owner / manager / monitor of TDIClub asking if they covered
'83 VW diesels in their discussion, expecting a reply of we will try or
everyone is welcome or maybe, aren't you the same LT Don that is on
Banned? -- no reply. I took that as a sign that they preferred the newer VW
owners.





Re: [MBZ] experts / blowhards

2006-02-02 Thread Bob Rentfro
Growing up I spent a lot of time with my friend Bill's dad in his garage 
watching, and then eventually helping him work on his '68 200D. I knew by 
age 12 I would drive and care for these cars. When I finally got my own and 
started caring for it, I was able to draw upon what I learned in Mr. 
Hounshell's garage and do a respectable job at whatever I tried. After I got 
on the list...even in the early days...things became more clear. It was like 
how I remember getting glasses in fourth grade made everything clear...the 
way Herr Doktor Booth, Pennoff and the rest explained things was so simple 
and clear.


I am often hesitant to try to explain jobs I'm familiar with because I can't 
explain things as you as you others can. I'm on that list with LT Don.


Bob Rentfro
'77 3000D 148K
'01 VW Beetle TDI 61K
Litchfield Park

.
- Original Message - 
From: LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] experts / blowhards



Allow me to explain.

When I first got my 240D (a couple of years ago), some folks on here were
extremely patient and held my hand while I got used to working in it. 
Stuff

that is now second nature to me were absolute mysteries at the time. And
even with that experience, I have little in the way of mechanical 
expertise

to offer in return for all I've received.

So, now I drag home Loren's old VW diesel (with one owner in there between
Loren and me). Working on this, I suddenly feel really stupid again, and
have no diesel list to turn to with this diesel. Oh, I found a forum, 
but

most of these guys are more concerned with hanging spoilers under their
Passats then they are concerned with maintaining something old.

Made me appreciate how much assistance I've received from our small circle
of experts here.



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Re: [MBZ] experts / blowhards

2006-02-02 Thread Loren Faeth

Shush!  You will blow my theory out of the water with this heresy!

At 10:48 PM 2/1/2006, you wrote:

It took me over a year and a half to join that list.  For some reason
or another the website wouldn't accept my application to join, and
they never returned my email.  I wouldn't read much into their lack of
response.

On 2/1/06, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I emailed the owner / manager / monitor of TDIClub asking if they covered
 '83 VW diesels in their discussion, expecting a reply of we will try or
 everyone is welcome or maybe, aren't you the same LT Don that is on
 Banned? -- no reply. I took that as a sign that they preferred the 
newer VW

 owners.

Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state
'87 300TD intercooler (211k)
'84 300D (207k)
Gashuffer:
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Re: [MBZ] Truckers fight biodiesel mandate

2006-02-02 Thread Werner Fehlauer
Some truckers may be fighting B2, but John Deere last summer announced that 
they were shipping all their new tractors with B2.  And Willie Nelson has 
been making the news regularly with his BioDiesel empire. (In Texas, yet!)


Werner

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Subject: [MBZ] Truckers fight biodiesel mandate



The trucking industry is fighting a proposal to mandate 2% biodiesel in
all diesel fuel sold in Washington state.  They're concerned about poor
fuel quality causing unreliability and warranty issues with engine
manufacturers.  Apparently a similar initiative in Minnesota resulted in
widespread problems with clogged filters and gelled fuel.

Article here: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/257659_biodiesel31.html

My gut feeling: It's too soon to mandate this kind of thing.  The
biodiesel industry needs to mature to the point where it can provide a
consistent, inexpensive product before anyone is required to use it.  I
also think wanting to subsidize local farmers is the wrong reason to do
it -- but that doesn't mean there aren't valid reasons.  I think it
would be nice to see biodiesel offered as an alternative lubricity
additive for low-sulfur fuel, for example.  (The fight over the
lubricity additive that *has* been mandated, and what it does to
pipelines, is a whole 'nother discussion.)





Re: [MBZ] Trucking Industry the Saga continues

2006-02-02 Thread John Berryman


On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 11:04 PM, OK Don wrote:

A direct result of drug testing. Its affected many other 
industries

too.


Johnny B.



	There are a plethora of great workers from all walks of life that use 
drugs recreationally ie: not high on the job. A study shows that they 
either fear the results of a failed test or consider it an invasion of 
privacy and they won't even apply for the job.
	This same study also showed using insurance Co statistics that since 
widespread drug testing has been implemented the workplace has become 
no safer, in fact, perhaps by coincidence job related loss claims have 
increased. It was also speculated that all the lawyers running around 
screaming sue everybody have fueled the increased reports of job 
related accidents.



Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am


Re: [MBZ] Sound panels, was Nice 190D Low Miles

2006-02-02 Thread Aaron Lam
These panels are the newest versions available for a 1987 300D. I
assumed your car would have the same ones, but the EPC indicates that
the engine, transmission, and one side panel are different for the
300D 2.5 and also for the E300D. The side ones are usually intact, but
the foam disintegrates and falls apart after a while.

-Aaron



[MBZ] Do these work?

2006-02-02 Thread B Dike
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/Mercedes-Hammer-Tool-for-Removal-prechamber-cyl-Head_W0QQitemZ7537784873QQcategoryZ42337QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
  
  The new 220D is safely stowed in the garage and ready to give up it  
prechambers.  I am thinking of grinding down a socket to fit the  slotted ring. 
 Will the aforementioned slide hammer be able to  yank it out?
  
  Thanks,
  
  


Bruce
82 300CD 334kmi 'His'
85 300CD 240kmi 'Hers'
75 240D 202kmi 'Donner'
77 240D 204kmi 'Blitzen'
73 220D 'It'

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Thanks, Aaron -  I suspected that was for a different 124.  My '90 with 
the 2.5 engine has a similar front panel, which has to be removed to get the 
rear (trans) panel off.  But that panel is larger and more rectangular, and 
I seem to recall it has 6 screws holding it up.  I'm pretty sure that there 
aren't any side panels.

On my car (with 221k miles), both panels have oil-soaked foam but that 
doesn't seem to be a problem unless you get obsessed with such things.  And 
the front one only comes off for oil changes (I'm too cheap to do the 
top-sider thing, as the dealerships now do) as I like to check around, 
especially oil cooler lines, etc.  The rear large panel only comes off every 
couple of years or so for the 30k transmission service.

Werner

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 These panels are the newest versions available for a 1987 300D. I
 assumed your car would have the same ones, but the EPC indicates that
 the engine, transmission, and one side panel are different for the
 300D 2.5 and also for the E300D. The side ones are usually intact, but
 the foam disintegrates and falls apart after a while.

 -Aaron




Re: [MBZ] acetone again

2006-02-02 Thread B Dike
An acquaintance told me he tried it and it worked as claimed.
  
  Bruce

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If this story were true wouldn;t the gas/fuel companies put a bit of Acetone 
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a pretty good advertising story - they could do it and we would never know 
unless they told us.

Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 78 240D)

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 http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/2598

 need another thread about using this?  I have a few gallons to burn

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Werner, can you do me a favor and take a picture of the main (engine)
panel the next time you remove it for an oil change? The 300D 2.5
panel is almost $100 *cheaper* than the same part for the 1987 300D,
and I'm dying to see what the exact difference is between the two
parts.

-Aaron



[MBZ] Some go info on buying used cars

2006-02-02 Thread Rory
Check this site out before buying.
Just get a VIN #
http://nicb.com/



Re: [MBZ] Sound panels, was Nice 190D Low Miles

2006-02-02 Thread Werner Fehlauer
Aaron - I'll make a note, but remind me in a couple of months in case I have 
to take it off for some other reason.  But the bad news is that I just 
changed the oil, and it'll be 10k miles probably and a year before it comes 
off again for that reason.  That's assuming the oil sample test comes back 
as before, which reported that the Delvac1 was still well within spec after 
10 k miles.
But the picture you have looks really very similar - about the only thing 
that could be different is where the 4 screw holes are located, and I would 
expect them not to be too different on the same chassis model.


Werner

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Werner, can you do me a favor and take a picture of the main (engine)
panel the next time you remove it for an oil change? The 300D 2.5
panel is almost $100 *cheaper* than the same part for the 1987 300D,
and I'm dying to see what the exact difference is between the two
parts.

-Aaron





[MBZ] Fw: Biodiesel Bulletin

2006-02-02 Thread Werner Fehlauer

For all those BioDiesel guys who might not follow this web site:
Werner

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Biodiesel Bulletin




Largest Event in the Industry Can be Tracked Online Through Blog

You will not receive a February Biodiesel Bulletin this month due to the 
National Biodiesel Conference  Expo February 5-8 in San Diego.


However, if you aren’t lucky enough to be one of the 2,000 people coming to 
the conference, you can follow it in up-to-the-minute fashion on the 
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Re: [MBZ] Booger Holler OT

2006-02-02 Thread Robert Tara Ludwick
If you are thinking about Booger Hollow on Hwy 7 between Jasper and 
Russellville ( the one with the two story outhouse ), they close during 
the winter.


---Robert

redghost wrote:

Luther,

You are from that neck of the woods.  A shipmate wants to know if the 
Booger Holler Ham folks are still smoking hams and if so, will they 
ship out west?  Would you be near that area and know this?



--
Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread paul

irresponsibility?

oh god.

lee wrote:


wilton strickland wrote:
 


Anybody hear W say anythng abt biodiesel to reduce dependence on oil?
 


I missed the state of the union address, but last I knew, the solution
to our dependence on foreign oil was to drill some wells and finish
using up our own oil. That'll really make us less dependent on other
countries which still have oil.
   



What I want to know is, did he address the irresponsibility of driving a seven 
thousand pound, ten mile to the gallon behemoth SUV simply to go to the mall 
and take your kiddies to soccer practice? 


Lee
 





Re: [MBZ] speaking of LT don and his recent post...

2006-02-02 Thread Hendrik Riessen
Does it have a big 70's style collar? My alter ego Disco Stu was just 
wondering.
Anyway how I got to be here, well Kaleb wrote me an email to say he was 
cranking a new list. Thought I might check it out and vorla you people are 
stuck with me (insert evil laugh here).


Hendrik
I like to boogie...all night long

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I have no idea how I ended up on here. Probably Google. Wouldn't be the
first time that something I found on Google has screwed up my life! 
[Anyone

want to buy a slightly used black latex jumpsuit, size 48 long?]

On 2/2/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Would be interesting to find out how people came to be on this list(or
the previous mbz.org)

I will start, I was lead to the RE and MBCA list by Diann Quinn from
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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Hendrik Riessen

Yeah like more armoured Humvees and guns, yeah lots more guns.
You just sort of know that we are in the deep end of the poo pool when 
dubbya starts saying we are in the deep end.


Hendrik
more guns = more fun

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Can't believe that I'm defending the clown, but I did read that he
said in response to the GM and Ford woes that the government will not
bail them out, that they should build something relevant. Couldn't
believe my eyes.

On 2/1/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

lee wrote:
 What I want to know is, did he address the irresponsibility of driving 
 a seven
 thousand pound, ten mile to the gallon behemoth SUV simply to go to the 
 mall

 and take your kiddies to soccer practice?


No, of course not.  His proposals were all supply-side -- mostly more
subsidies.  Conservation is un-American, remember?



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'87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car
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Re: [MBZ] experts / blowhards

2006-02-02 Thread Hendrik Riessen

Yeah get a life you volksy driving hippie.
Probably got cannabis stashed in there somewhere I bet.
Now there is a thought, bio-diesel made from cannabishmmmn after 
following that 300D I feel like a mars bar


Hendrik
who does not condone the use of illegal drugs even if it is burned in the 
engine


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On 2/1/06, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It took me over a year and a half to join that list.  For some reason
or another the website wouldn't accept my application to join, and
they never returned my email.  I wouldn't read much into their lack of
response.


You, sir, are too persistant for your own good.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Smoky VW diesel when cold

2006-02-02 Thread Robert Tara Ludwick
Real common for VW diesels to get sticky rings, especially if you are 
getting oil smell in the exhaust.Compression will drop and get hard to 
start and act just as you describe.
Best thing I've found is Auto RX to clean them out ( www.auto-rx.com ) 
costy but it really works. Liqui Moly sells a cleaner called Oil Schlamm 
spulung that does a fair job but doesn't get it all.


Robert

Dave M. wrote:

Hi all,

My 1981 VW Dasher diesel (1.5L, mechanical lifters) has been getting
crankier on cold starts lately. I did a valve adjustment a few months
ago to get things in spec so that shouldn't be a problem. Power and
MPG is normal (42-45mpg). It's just the cold starts that are a
problem.

When the car sits overnight, I'll do 2-3 glow cycles when it's cold
(30-40F), and I have a rudimentary 'afterglow' setup as well. But when
I start it, it runs quite rough, and smokes terribly for a good 10-15
seconds. I need to keep my foot halfway down to keep it running at all
until it smooths out. And for the first 30-45 seconds, it may even
misfire at times. The afterglow doesn't change things, it acts the
same with or with the plugs on when cold. The smoke is
blueish/whitish, and smells of both engine oil and fuel, so I can't
pin down what the cause is.

Warm starts are fine, glow plugs are all good and verified with
ohmmeter AND current draw test, and the car doesn't smoke
significantly when warm.

Any ideas?

:-(

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Boise, ID
1994 E500 - 95kmi  (Q-ship)
1987 300D - 261kmi (Sportline)

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Re: [MBZ] Truckers fight biodiesel mandate

2006-02-02 Thread Hendrik Riessen
I have heard that the cleaner petrodiesel does not lubricate the pump as 
well as the standard petrodiesel, introducing even a small amount of 
biodiesel helps to lubricate the pump and extend it's service life.
The biggest problem with biodiesel is keeping it warm, I have had a heap of 
trouble (filters blocking) with B100 and B20 in my Nissan 4x4 and I belief 
that the location of the fuel filter plays a big part in how a vehicle will 
respond to the use of biodiesel. The fuel in the filter housing needs to be 
warm to hot in order for the particles in biodiesel to stay suspended.
Unfortunately the local supplier of biodiesel has shut down and according to 
rumour will be turned into a mega convenient fuel self service place.


Hendrik

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Some truckers may be fighting B2, but John Deere last summer announced 
that

they were shipping all their new tractors with B2.  And Willie Nelson has
been making the news regularly with his BioDiesel empire. (In Texas, 
yet!)


Werner

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Subject: [MBZ] Truckers fight biodiesel mandate



The trucking industry is fighting a proposal to mandate 2% biodiesel in
all diesel fuel sold in Washington state.  They're concerned about poor
fuel quality causing unreliability and warranty issues with engine
manufacturers.  Apparently a similar initiative in Minnesota resulted in
widespread problems with clogged filters and gelled fuel.

Article here: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/257659_biodiesel31.html

My gut feeling: It's too soon to mandate this kind of thing.  The
biodiesel industry needs to mature to the point where it can provide a
consistent, inexpensive product before anyone is required to use it.  I
also think wanting to subsidize local farmers is the wrong reason to do
it -- but that doesn't mean there aren't valid reasons.  I think it
would be nice to see biodiesel offered as an alternative lubricity
additive for low-sulfur fuel, for example.  (The fight over the
lubricity additive that *has* been mandated, and what it does to
pipelines, is a whole 'nother discussion.)



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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread John W. Reames III
On Wed, 1 Feb 2006, lee wrote:
 What I want to know is, did he address the irresponsibility of driving a 
 seven 
 thousand pound, ten mile to the gallon behemoth SUV simply to go to the mall 
 and take your kiddies to soccer practice? 

Every morning on my commute, i see something worse: soccer-mom types 
starting up the SUV, the kid hopping in, then they make the arduous trek 
down their ~200yd drive way and sit with the engine running waiting for 
the school bus.. and its not just one family!
-j.





Re: [MBZ] acetone again

2006-02-02 Thread Hendrik Riessen
I'd say that most people who are willing to try this already drive fuel 
consciously. Yes I would agree that there will be some initial extra taking 
it easy type of driving, however any good study is usually conducted over a 
long period of time to minimise outside influences. From what I can see 
there has not been a proper scientific study undertaken into the effect of 
adding tiny amounts of acetone to petrol/gas/benzin.
The whole thing does stink of snake oil but I am interested wether there is 
any benefit in using acetone to raise the octane level in fuel or at the 
least, wether acetone somehow interacts with the fuel.
I would like to think that the oil companies are doing the right thing by us 
and producing the best quality fuel that they can.


Hendrik

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B Dike wrote:

An acquaintance told me he tried it and it worked as claimed.


Did he change his driving habits at all?  I've seen 10-15% changes in
mileage in some cars just from driving slower.  If someone is testing a
new fuel economy additive it's likely they'll drive more carefully for a
while.

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Re: [MBZ] 300SDL For sale

2006-02-02 Thread UDG - Joop
Send me some pics pls.
Joopster
W116 runs 3.5 6 cyl Dsl

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Subject: [MBZ] 300SDL For sale

Let's cut to the chase.

My car is worth $5,000 I THINK

But it needs sunroof repair of $1000
Total Paint of $1000  {I'm figuring enamel here, will look good for 5 years or 
so.)

So, I'll listen real hard to $3500 offer.

Car is my daily driver, sees about 500 miles a week, it is very reliable.

Uses no coolant (#14 head)
Uses about 2 qt of DELVAC! at 10,000 mile change.
Has 2 cracks in dashboard.
Has Clarion Stereo/CD/MP3 player

24mpg at 75mph.

In the past 50,000 miles I've done the following, most of it proactively due to 
comments on this list.

New Radiator
New water pump.
New Glow Plugs and relay
New Vacuum pump
New lifters
Total exhaust
New 16 alloys (Tires are about gone)
Serp Belt, Shock etc about 25Kmi ago.
Front Brakes, calipers, rotors and Bilsteins about 15Kmi ago.  Rears are 
scheduled for this spring.

This was a southern car, paint is badly faded.  Never been hit HARD, It did 
have minor R/R quarter damage the was painted by someone after a long hydraulic 
lunch.

If any one on this list is interested, contact me.  I can deliver for expenses.

Pete, Who's best frind says he has too many toys and not enough time.

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Re: [MBZ] Idiot 4 wheeler story

2006-02-02 Thread Curt Raymond
Does anybody know why when people get in an accident they leave their car right 
where it sits? Seems like there was a time you got your car out of the road...
   
  Coming home from work the other night it was icy but the primary roads were 
sanded and no problem. I pulled onto a secondary road and noticed it was a bit 
slippery but steering was no worry. Rounding a bend heres an accident taking up 
ALL of my lane. I try the brakes and actually speed up. SO its time for careful 
modulation on the brakes, downshift and ease around the cars, both of which are 
sitting there running, this appeared to be a fairly minor fenderbender. but one 
car is sideways right across the road. Beyond that car is a cop car at an angle 
across the road. All the people involved are standing in the space between the 
cop car and the disabled car.
  It was pretty sketchy getting around them but I managed it and managed to get 
stopped. The whole manuver I was thinking that one little screw up and I'll 
kill all those people...
   I went over to the cop and told him he'd ought to move those cars dammed 
quick or somebody's gonna get hurt. Who are you to order me around? He 
demanded. I explained the situation and he said I was just a terrible driver.
  I got back in my car and took off, called 911 on my cell phone and explained, 
the dispatcher said she'd see what she could do.
  I read in the paper the next day that there was another accident but 
everybody had gotten into the patrol car before it happened so nobody was 
seriously injured.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 18:51:31 -0600
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so lets here some of those idiot 4 wheeler driver stories.  I always 
love those.



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Yeah, I've heard that you're not supposed to move the vehicles after an
accident as that's evidence for the police to use to help determine what
really happened in the accident.  You've got to know who to blame for
insurance and lawsuits and such you know...

Levi

On 2/2/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Does anybody know why when people get in an accident they leave their car
 right where it sits? Seems like there was a time you got your car out of =
the
 road...

   Coming home from work the other night it was icy but the primary roads
 were sanded and no problem. I pulled onto a secondary road and noticed it
 was a bit slippery but steering was no worry. Rounding a bend heres an
 accident taking up ALL of my lane. I try the brakes and actually speed up=
.
 SO its time for careful modulation on the brakes, downshift and ease arou=
nd
 the cars, both of which are sitting there running, this 

Re: [MBZ] Idiot 4 wheeler story

2006-02-02 Thread Mitch Haley
Curt Raymond wrote:
 I read in the paper the next day that there was another accident but 
 everybody had  gotten into the patrol car before it happened so nobody was 
 seriously injured.
 

Write a letter to the editor of said paper. Explain your efforts to prevent
the 2nd crash, and the police department's callous disregard. From a legal
standpoint, it may be valuable to preserve the cars' positions as evidence
until the cops get there. Then every effort should be made to clear up
the scene, unless a fatality has occurred and serious investigation and
measuring is needed. (in that case, they will close the road while they
process the scene)



Re: [MBZ] Ethanol

2006-02-02 Thread LT Don
Interesting. I run the 10% ethanol in all of my non-diesels (including in my
motorcycle) and have had no problems.

But I do live in Iowa.

On 2/1/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have found that ethanol in fuel is garbage, I put a tank full of
 ethanol
 blend into the 230E and it hated it, fuel mileage went down as well. No
 wonder our friends the oil companies are pushing for an ethanol blend,
 worse
 mileage equals more fuel sold.

 Maybe fifteen years ago 10% ethanol was mandated in certain zip codes in
 the
 winter months in western Washington. After EPA air quality requirements
 were
 met, ethanol went away, thank God. It is true that mileage drops 10% which
 was
 proven to me, tank after tank. It's hard to measure performance except to
 say
 that it was noticeably down. Which means, obviously, that monthly fuel
 cost
 went up 10%.

 My Porsche isn't driven much and so I didn't want ethanol in the tank all
 winter, so I gassed it up in late September which I made last until normal
 gas
 was again available in about March. Maybe April.

 The main benefactors turn out to be ADM Corp. plus the Iowa corn farmers.

 RLE/Seattle
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Re: [MBZ] speaking of LT don and his recent post...

2006-02-02 Thread Potter, Tom E
I can't seem to remember how I fell in with this bunch of misfits (I'm
getting old too). I joined MBCA when Kathy was President and dropped out
when the politics got unbearable. I think I just stumbled into this list
on the Internet. Although I am without an M-B at the moment, I still
enjoy the list. I can keep tabs on you characters, and maybe I will find
my Benz before Kaleb snatches it up.

Tom Potter

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It must have been '96 or '97 or so when I joined the local MBCA chapter.

They had a scavenger hunt outing at the Barrett Jackson Aution (before
it 
was crazy expensive to get near it). Boy child and I went, kicked booty
on 
the scavenger hunt (filling out info on MB stuff at the auction) and
then 
went out to eat with the club oldesters. At some point during the night,

someone was talking about how the guys with older cars (they all had
wicked 
new ones, of course) are talking on that new fangled internet thing and 
someone gave me Kathy Kennels phone number. I called her the next day
and 
she hooked me up. I seem to remember...in those days it was Herr Doktor 
Booth, Kathy, Dan Penoff, Walt Lasher, RE, etc...but I could be making
that 
up...I've slept several times since then.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 148K
'01 VW Beetle TDI 61K
Litchfield Park, AZ

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 Would be interesting to find out how people came to be on this list(or
 the previous mbz.org)

 I will start, I was lead to the RE and MBCA list by Diann Quinn from
 Chicago(wisonsin maybe), signed up.  Was on the MBCA list till it was
 canned by the high and mighty at the home office.  Later kicked off
the
 RE list and was a founding charter memember of mbz.org in 98(or was it
 99?)  Anyway, thats my story.
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