Re: [MBZ] OM 603 no start
Nothing changes when it is bottle-fed. (paragraph 1) That was tried with no change. I will try having them start it with the oil filler cap off. Maybe the crankcase breather has gotten plugged up. (Paragraph 2) Thanks Dr. Booth Loren At 09:28 PM 6/7/2006, you wrote: Loren Faeth wrote: Got a question guys! The Bambi-killing TD is finished. (87 300TD, OM 603) They had it idling for a couple of hours filling and checking the AC. After this couple of hours, it would not run over 1000 rpm. After a while, it idled rough, then died. We checked/changed filters. Fuel flow seems to be ok. Cracking lines shows little /no fuel flow. Now what happens: After it sits 30 min or more, it will start and idle a couple of seconds, then shut off, starved for fuel. It will not restart. I had them unhook the brown vacuum tube and try it then. No change. My thought is perhaps a stuck rack or the shut-off valve gone bad on the pump. Anybody BTDT? In 30+ years I have never had a stuck rack, but the car has been sitting for 7 months. If the shut-down has gone bad, is this behavior normal with/without the vacuum hooked up? Is Brown/purple the correct tube for the shutdown? I tried that over the phone. If I could see the pump, i can tell. Will it run when fuel is applied like you do with Diesel Purge? If it does the blockade is between the tank and the lift pump. If there is serious crankcase pressure (like when the crank breather is blocked), it will shut off the fuel shutoff valve within seconds after the engine starts. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lists should be back up now
well, email me privately to discuss. Seems I sent you a reponse to you a while back but then never heard about about it. Luther Gulseth wrote: What's it gonna take to make it be un-lonely on my property? On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 09:47:46 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its sitting here, lonely Luther Gulseth wrote: All for my good buddy Kaleb. How's my SDL? On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 22:46:16 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, you have been a big help. Luther Gulseth wrote: then remove the links. A web page sucks when it has dead links. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT - Nice Words - too fat
oh god LT Don wrote: Anyone need to photocopy my shelf full of vegetarian cookbooks? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
[MBZ] ADMIN, language
OK folks, been gitting a little lax in the foul language department. Have been receiving complants so lets tone it back a bit. Thank you and now back to your regularly scheduled programming. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Better Living Through Machinery
On Jun 7, 2006, at 5:14 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote: Wow. Put me on your estate sale mailing list please? :) Though, knowing my luck, that'll be years after I've aquired most of the same toolsI'm nearly there with the addition of Grandpa's 2 houses worth of tools Luther At times some were used more than others. I rarely have call for the lathe but it has bailed me out of all kinds of stuff. Mower, household, automotive, whatever. My buddy had his machine shop set-up less than a mile away. He had the whole magilla. We picked up a giant vertical mill once it weighed like 9500#. The flatbed driver slipped it into the shop after we removed the roll-up door and a little trim. I'm amazed that something so huge could be as accurate as this machine was. It made a Bridgeport look like a hand grinder in the end product. Machines are fascinating. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] A possibly entertaining story, addition.
Here in Washington State I find the summers are quite mild and A/C is kind of superfluous. There's a fair climatic variation around this state. Nothing we had on the wet side had AC when I was growing up, and you really didn't miss it. Here on the dry side, it gets a bit hot. (But never all that humid, which is nice.) As I said before, a vehicle designed for no AC is tolerable, one that is not, is not. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Better Living Through Machinery
On Jun 7, 2006, at 5:29 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: I'm close, missing the lathe and press. (I have a wood lathe though.) No forge/foundry, so I'm messed up there too. It would be nice to have a good mill, maybe someday. It's really nice to know that you can _make_ what you need, if you can't find it otherwise. Am I ready for that 600 yet? Are you? -- Jim I acquired all the stuff over time. Mostly used, high quality stuff that was donated, bought cheap, salvaged, you know the drill. The foundry guy is about 30 miles from me. I worked on his boat a few times, gratis. He makes me his assistant when I need something. Same thing, I don't need it much but its good to know its there if you need it. There are plenty of old machines not being used now due to CNC so they're usually pretty reasonable if you don't mind cranking handles around. 600 ? splain please Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Nearly dead 87 300D battery/neat start
On Jun 7, 2006, at 6:51 PM, wilton strickland wrote: Yes Johnny, It's all good. I understand. 'Just thought an absolutely static start was really neat and indicates well-tuned engine. 'Not complaining. Wilton I think its cool too. Makes you proud of your maintenance regimen. It does kinda remind me of a hang-fire in a black powder rifle. Sometimes my bike will sneeze when I turn the key on. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Firewood
On Jun 7, 2006, at 8:48 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: Still toying with the idea of building my own splitter for the Mog's killer auxiliary hydraulic system. Turns out that there is no used hydraulic cylinder market, people either fix 'em forever or throw away the unrepairable ones and replace them. -- Jim Northern Tool has a good selection in the hydraulic dept. Make it split it and throw into the mog or a trailer for you too. Here's a Google Search results page for ya: http://www.google.com/search?client=safarirls=enq=Used+Hydraulic +Equipmentie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8 Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] A possibly entertaining story, addition.
Johnny B... My theory is HOT is HOT whatever we can take is what we do, when we have to do what we have to do! Dry Heat is just a PR line. I grew up outside Washington DC w/o AC and slept in the glider (if anybody knows what that is?) on the front screened porch. Just plain hot w/high humidity and Louie Allen drawing stick figures for the weather forecast on WMAL-TV... Weather is weather and we make too much about it and a whole lot of other stuff that is just gonna' happen whether we like it or not Off the soapbox..! Chuck Phoenix AZ
Re: [MBZ] 240D from VA to PA, need advice..
On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:33:00 -0400 John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 7, 2006, at 2:43 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: The full faith and credit clause of the US Constitution is your defense here, and good luck to you with that! I wasn't aware of such a clause. Can you point me to the text without making me read the whole enchilada? http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleiv.html
Re: [MBZ] Coil Spring Compressor
On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:43:45 -0400 John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My gear wrench set is all Taiwan but it is holding up real well. I was pleasantly surprised as Taiwan was analogous to junk in the not too distant past. Just like Japan was analogous to junk in the late '50s... Craig
Re: [MBZ] '72 350SL
On Jun 7, 2006, at 8:53 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: Putting yourself in traction daily isn't mentioned anywhere in the list of things to do to take it easy. But, if it works for you and it makes you able to accomplish all those things, then good for you Johnny B. Bob Rentfro I don't ned it daily now but when I get good and physical with the work it helps a lot. I use it as preventative maintenance at those times. Being sedentary is worse than keeping moving in my case any way. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] '72 350SL
On Jun 7, 2006, at 8:54 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: If you're serious about a lift really check your height. I built my lower garage at 10' so that I'd have plenty of room for a lift. Turns out I don't, I'd need more like 11' in order not to be limited in what kind of lift I could have. -- Jim I've run around with my tape measure to get an idea what I should do. I settled on 12'. I'm 5'6, so I should be able to stand erect under just about anything that'll fit through the door. I want a clear floor model, I know that. Much nicer pulling trannies etc. That'll be in right after the framing and roof are up. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Jim, did you call this fellow?
sell the car from PDX. The prices there are insane It's definitely a seller's market for MB diesels out here in Portland. I'm thinking about making the '81 300CD look nice and put it up for sale once I get around to sorting out the GP system just because the market is so good right now. VW TDI's have gone through the roof and are heading skyward. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1981 300CD 204K miles, Giesela
Re: [MBZ] JohnnyB's Real Men
On Jun 7, 2006, at 9:08 PM, Loren Faeth wrote: So, Johnny, how is that for an opening shot? Yours is a good one too. Grumpy ol man (got the manual ice auger to prove it) ; ) Right on. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 no start
On Jun 7, 2006, at 9:21 PM, Loren Faeth wrote: Got a question guys! How did it run before left idling for the AC work? Is linkage moving freely? Is the compressor seizing up? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Phoenix weather
Weather is weather and we make too much about it and a whole lot of other stuff that is just gonna' happen whether we like it or notOff the soapbox..! Chuck Phoenix AZ Uhhh, yeah, Chuck. I saw yesterday's Phoenix sand storm on TV last night. Weather, indeed. Come to think of it, it reminded me of Flight of the Phoenix. RLE
Re: [MBZ] A possibly entertaining story, addition.
What I appreciate the most about dry heat is the fact that all I need to cool our place is an evaporator cooler for pennies a day instead of $ per hour if I had to use the A.C. Other day it was 114 and never had to use AC. Now, when we get the monsoons in August and humidity goes over 40%, the cooler doesn't work. On 6/7/06, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Johnny B... My theory is HOT is HOT whatever we can take is what we do, when we have to do what we have to do! Dry Heat is just a PR line. I grew up outside Washington DC w/o AC and slept in the glider (if anybody knows what that is?) on the front screened porch. Just plain hot w/high humidity and Louie Allen drawing stick figures for the weather forecast on WMAL-TV... Weather is weather and we make too much about it and a whole lot of other stuff that is just gonna' happen whether we like it or not Off the soapbox..! Chuck Phoenix AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- John Freer Palm Springs, CA 1992 500 SEL 143K Stardust 1985 380SL 143K Blue Belle 1996 Sidekick 57K Kermit
Re: [MBZ] Coil Spring Compressor
My gear wrench set is all Taiwan but it is holding up real well. I was pleasantly surprised as Taiwan was analogous to junk in the not too distant past. Just like Japan was analogous to junk in the late '50s... The big difference between then and now is that Japan had the rule of law and people obeyed it. China is whatever goes, goes...good luck to us all for bein so shortsighted and handing them everything we have/had...suckers! Jeff Zedic Toronto Sick of China 87 300TD
Re: [MBZ] Firewood
Jim Cathey wrote: Turns out that there is no used hydraulic cylinder market, people either fix 'em forever or throw away the unrepairable ones and replace them. I've seen old useable ones at farm auctions here in Michigan, but I haven't been to one in recent years. Mitch
Re: [MBZ] unobtanium, but on crack
I started to think that's high, but not really high. Then I saw the salvage title :^( Gary Thompson 1995 E320 On 6/6/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-190D-2-5-5CYLINDER-DIESEL-1987-LOW-MILES_W0QQitemZ4647770328QQihZ002QQcategoryZ6328QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting --
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 no start
It had not run since bambi put a hole in the radiator in Nov. It started and ran fine after the new radiator and condenser were installed. After they finished charging the AC is when they noticed it didn't want to run more than 1000 rpm, then it got worse until it will now only start and run a couple of seconds, then starves for fuel. I told them to push it to the side and leave it until I can get there to work on it. I think there has to be a simple explanation. Compressor is ok and the linkage is moving freely. It has not been disturbed as far as I know. I will check all that when I get there. The fact that it started and seemed to run fine initially seems to be an argument against the stuck rack theory. I'd like to try Jim's suggestion to pressurize the vacuum shut down and Marshall's suggestion about the crankcase vent. Temporarily sticking an electric fuel pump in the feed line would allow me to check fuel pressure right up to the fuel inlet at the Inj. pump like I used to do with the hand primer. rant The DNR says they are trying to grow the population of deer up to 15 per square mile. In the area where the bambi attack happened, herds of 15-25 in small fields are not unusual. They are WAY over 15 per square mile. More like 15 per quarter of a quarter section (40 acres) Even at half that density, it is 4320 per square mile. I'd like to see the herd thinned to where it was stable, like 30 years ago. Now they are so thick, and so desperate for territory, they are no longer afraid of people, houses etc. They go trotting down the streets of towns and cities. When I lived there, I had 3 bedding in my yard. DNR=morons /rant Loren At 12:01 AM 6/8/2006, you wrote: On Jun 7, 2006, at 9:21 PM, Loren Faeth wrote: Got a question guys! How did it run before left idling for the AC work? Is linkage moving freely? Is the compressor seizing up? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] unobtanium, but on crack
On Jun 8, 2006, at 10:04 AM, Gary Thompson wrote: I started to think that's high, but not really high. Then I saw the salvage title :^( Gary Thompson High? If it really has 127,000, $3500 is real fair. Although, as usual the auction is not near over. Why do salvage titles scare people so much? What if it was a recovered stolen or something that didn't involve chassis damage? What if it was totaled and repaired properly?The seller might be truthful if asked about it. I'd gladly pay $5,000 for that car if it checks out. It would last a long, long time Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] A possibly entertaining story, addition.
Didnt know people still used those things. We called them water coolers here. I remember when I was a kit many folks used to use those things before they had AC, in fact, we used to use one as well. Desert Rat wrote: What I appreciate the most about dry heat is the fact that all I need to cool our place is an evaporator cooler for pennies a day instead of $ per hour if I had to use the A.C. Other day it was 114 and never had to use AC. Now, when we get the monsoons in August and humidity goes over 40%, the cooler doesn't work. On 6/7/06, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] A possibly entertaining story, addition.
Okay, now you have me interested but confused. Is this a dehumidifier you're talking about? Mac on 6/8/06 10:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didnt know people still used those things. We called them water coolers here. I remember when I was a kit many folks used to use those things before they had AC, in fact, we used to use one as well. Desert Rat wrote: What I appreciate the most about dry heat is the fact that all I need to cool our place is an evaporator cooler for pennies a day instead of $ per hour if I had to use the A.C. Other day it was 114 and never had to use AC. Now, when we get the monsoons in August and humidity goes over 40%, the cooler doesn't work. On 6/7/06, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Re: [MBZ] A possibly entertaining story, addition.
Didnt know people still used those things. We called them water coolers Or swamp coolers. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Better Living Through Machinery
600 ? splain please The Grosser Benz. The one for which parts are largely unique to the car and highly expensive. The one with hydraulic _everything_. The one for which the 6.3 and 6.9 motors was created. The Waterloo of many a Benz owner. Shall I go on? -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] A possibly entertaining story, addition.
No, basically its sort of like an AC, sort of. They have different sizes of them ranging from little table top ones to bigger ones that sit outside the window with the air vent sticking in the windows blowing in. You basically fill the pan up with water and it pumps the water up to the top and trickles down a fiberous material thru which a fan blows air with is cooled by the flowing water. They can actually work pretty well. You have to refill it with water every so often. Steve MacSween wrote: Okay, now you have me interested but confused. Is this a dehumidifier you're talking about? Mac on 6/8/06 10:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didnt know people still used those things. We called them water coolers here. I remember when I was a kit many folks used to use those things before they had AC, in fact, we used to use one as well. Desert Rat wrote: What I appreciate the most about dry heat is the fact that all I need to cool our place is an evaporator cooler for pennies a day instead of $ per hour if I had to use the A.C. Other day it was 114 and never had to use AC. Now, when we get the monsoons in August and humidity goes over 40%, the cooler doesn't work. On 6/7/06, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] A possibly entertaining story, addition.
Who sells them? Now that you mention it, I have heard my mom talk about this from way back, but never understood what she meant. I have central AC but dislike it, so I'm very interested in this. Mac on 6/8/06 11:00 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, basically its sort of like an AC, sort of. They have different sizes of them ranging from little table top ones to bigger ones that sit outside the window with the air vent sticking in the windows blowing in. You basically fill the pan up with water and it pumps the water up to the top and trickles down a fiberous material thru which a fan blows air with is cooled by the flowing water. They can actually work pretty well. You have to refill it with water every so often. Steve MacSween wrote: Okay, now you have me interested but confused. Is this a dehumidifier you're talking about? Mac on 6/8/06 10:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didnt know people still used those things. We called them water coolers here. I remember when I was a kit many folks used to use those things before they had AC, in fact, we used to use one as well. Desert Rat wrote: What I appreciate the most about dry heat is the fact that all I need to cool our place is an evaporator cooler for pennies a day instead of $ per hour if I had to use the A.C. Other day it was 114 and never had to use AC. Now, when we get the monsoons in August and humidity goes over 40%, the cooler doesn't work. On 6/7/06, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] location of Aux Cooling fan temperature switch 1985 300SD?
Trying to identify location of Aux Cooling fan temperature switch ETM on page 202 lists location as On water outlet my car has 3 switches / senders at this location (outlet / thermostat housing) ETM diagram on page 129/1 lists switch operating temperature at 100C is this correct? No known changes? George Larribeau Dallas, Texas 1985 300SD 190K 1987 HD FLHTC 86K 1984 Motoguzzi Cal -2 80K 1972 Motoguzzi Ambassador LOTS 1965 Chevy C-10 pick up truck lots of miles 3rd small block ..(Extra Ugly,but runs) 1993 BMW 323i 115K (Wife's Car) 1967 BMW R50/2 (Wife's MC, currently in a Basket) From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jun 08 15:14:27 2006 Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.69]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FoMDL-0001Wh-3N for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 15:14:27 + DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; dêrthlink.net; b=hBBZAWYcKmvbXxNH7pROQ4PNZo62nYwR7FerbW4HWl4wiov9vPsMmVnFNkUf7x0v; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [65.110.128.59] (helo=[192.168.2.74]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FoMDD-0003yH-6O for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 11:14:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:14:18 -0400 To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-ELNK-Trace: b3baf86f04a51c2f0f36c4a2948c83129ef193a6bfc3dd4879fd6febf9c9cabb88617df90e0e68ce3899c79c7caf56c9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.110.128.59 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Better Living Through Machinery X-BeenThere: Mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 15:14:27 - On Jun 8, 2006, at 10:58 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: The Grosser Benz. The one for which parts are largely unique to the car and highly expensive. The one with hydraulic _everything_. The one for which the 6.3 and 6.9 motors was created. The Waterloo of many a Benz owner. Shall I go on? -- Jim No, please spare me the agony. Shoot me if you see me even thinking about one of those nightmares. I figgered you meant THAT 600! Furthest thing from my mind. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] A possibly entertaining story, addition.
Who sells them [swamp coolers]? Around here, the same places (hardware and home improvement stores) that sell room AC units. -- Jim
[MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences
617.950 is listed at 115HP and the .951/2 are 123/125HP. If stroke/displacement are the same, what did they change that increased the HP? Are the shortblocks identical? TIA all. -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine)
[MBZ] OT: Grand Cherokee for Toyota Compact pick-up swap
In light of the fact that I will be building soon, I am looking to swap a 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo for a Toyota 4x4 compact pick- up. Prefer 5spd 4cyl doesn't need to be perfect but no rot-boxes. The Jeep has 150,000mi, Amsoil, auto, new ball-joints, brakes, Water pump, thermostat, sepentine belt, recent exhaust, will need tires before too long. Very solid with some rust showing around rear hatch only. I replaced the thermostat because it was stuck open. Water pump let go all at once, while I was driving it, it didn't overheat, I filled it and drove it home to replace pump with a new one. It runs and shifts great. The rear wiper is in-op, never checked why. Front wiper works on high only and doesn't park automatically, I never tried it but Cathy says cruise doesn't work. Other than those items, everything else works fine. Oh, it's white w/ tan leather, CD player, power everything. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Swamp coolers
There are still lots of swamp coolers around here in AZ. New ones are available.Mostly used for replacement .. Newer homes (last 15 years) only have A/C... Most they are roof mounted and bring in dry air, pass it through a waterfall and distribute the humidified air throughout the duct system of a house. Downside... The calcium and other stuff in the water can build up and make a mess. Really should have a water decalcification system to go with it. Many homes have both A/C and swamp coolers and use one or the other depending on how high the temp gets.. Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ Only has A/C and keep it at 83F... On Jun 8, 2006, at 8:00 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: No, basically its sort of like an AC, sort of. They have different sizes of them ranging from little table top ones to bigger ones that sit outside the window with the air vent sticking in the windows blowing in. You basically fill the pan up with water and it pumps the water up to the top and trickles down a fiberous material thru which a fan blows air with is cooled by the flowing water. They can actually work pretty well. You have to refill it with water every so often. Steve MacSween wrote: Okay, now you have me interested but confused. Is this a dehumidifier you're talking about? Mac on 6/8/06 10:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didnt know people still used those things. We called them water coolers here. I remember when I was a kit many folks used to use those things before they had AC, in fact, we used to use one as well. Desert Rat wrote: What I appreciate the most about dry heat is the fact that all I need to cool our place is an evaporator cooler for pennies a day instead of $ per hour if I had to use the A.C. Other day it was 114 and never had to use AC. Now, when we get the monsoons in August and humidity goes over 40%, the cooler doesn't work. On 6/7/06, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A possibly entertaining story, addition.
Well the have quite a selection of them at our local farm and ranch store. Would think a similar place up by you would sell them. http://www.atwoods.com/storage/weeklySpecials/69/06-07-06back.gif Steve MacSween wrote: Who sells them? Now that you mention it, I have heard my mom talk about this from way back, but never understood what she meant. I have central AC but dislike it, so I'm very interested in this. Mac on 6/8/06 11:00 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, basically its sort of like an AC, sort of. They have different sizes of them ranging from little table top ones to bigger ones that sit outside the window with the air vent sticking in the windows blowing in. You basically fill the pan up with water and it pumps the water up to the top and trickles down a fiberous material thru which a fan blows air with is cooled by the flowing water. They can actually work pretty well. You have to refill it with water every so often. Steve MacSween wrote: Okay, now you have me interested but confused. Is this a dehumidifier you're talking about? Mac on 6/8/06 10:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didnt know people still used those things. We called them water coolers here. I remember when I was a kit many folks used to use those things before they had AC, in fact, we used to use one as well. Desert Rat wrote: What I appreciate the most about dry heat is the fact that all I need to cool our place is an evaporator cooler for pennies a day instead of $ per hour if I had to use the A.C. Other day it was 114 and never had to use AC. Now, when we get the monsoons in August and humidity goes over 40%, the cooler doesn't work. On 6/7/06, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences
Actually not sure where your figures come from but its 110 for the 116 version and 120 for the 123/126 81-84 and either 123 or 125 for the 85 version. Luther Gulseth wrote: 617.950 is listed at 115HP and the .951/2 are 123/125HP. If stroke/displacement are the same, what did they change that increased the HP? Are the shortblocks identical? TIA all. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences
On Jun 8, 2006, at 11:29 AM, Luther Gulseth wrote: 617.950 is listed at 115HP and the .951/2 are 123/125HP. If stroke/displacement are the same, what did they change that increased the HP? Are the shortblocks identical? TIA all. For one the cams are different and possible upper oil pan differences, on the 950. I wanna say .951=300D-CD 952=300SD with different mount brackets and oil pump housing. 951952 are interchangeable noting the items mentioned above. The engine I mentioned to you is a 952 adapted for 300D. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Swamp Coolers
Mac, Try this link for more info: http://www.sahra.arizona.edu/programs/water_cons/home/cooler.htm Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ Steve MacSween wrote: Who sells them?
Re: [MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences
Luther Gulseth wrote: 617.950 is listed at 115HP and the .951/2 are 123/125HP. If stroke/displacement are the same, what did they change that increased the HP? Are the shortblocks identical? TIA all. In addition to what has already been mentioned, the w116 300SDs used the earlier AirResearch turbo units. I believe AirResearch was later purchased by Garrett, but don't know that for fact. -- John L. Ervine 1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi 1980 300TD 180+kmi 1980 300SD 277+kmi 1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi 1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi 1972 220 278+kmi
Re: [MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences
The turbos are interchangable from the older engines to the newer ones. As far as I can tell, they are identical. John Ervine wrote: Luther Gulseth wrote: 617.950 is listed at 115HP and the .951/2 are 123/125HP. If stroke/displacement are the same, what did they change that increased the HP? Are the shortblocks identical? TIA all. In addition to what has already been mentioned, the w116 300SDs used the earlier AirResearch turbo units. I believe AirResearch was later purchased by Garrett, but don't know that for fact. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences
Another $0.02, would be that the w116s (exception: some 1980s that apparently delivered with w126 motor setups, or maybe it was only CA-spec cars) have different plumbing for the vacuum pump. IIRC we had some fun with this on my w126-w116 swap, in addition to what Berryman mentioned. Also the oil cooler lines are different. Mac on 6/8/06 11:55 AM, John Ervine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luther Gulseth wrote: 617.950 is listed at 115HP and the .951/2 are 123/125HP. If stroke/displacement are the same, what did they change that increased the HP? Are the shortblocks identical? TIA all. In addition to what has already been mentioned, the w116 300SDs used the earlier AirResearch turbo units. I believe AirResearch was later purchased by Garrett, but don't know that for fact.
Re: [MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences
Here are the differences, which I mentioned before, linkage, oil pan, ac stuff, glow plug system, wiring, vacuum pump etc, motor mount arms, exhaust hookup might be different, not sure. Then the hp is lower. Thats all I can think of at the moment. Tranny is different of course. Oil cooler lines are different, tranny lines are probably different. It will work you will just have to swap everything over from the old motor. Steve MacSween wrote: Another $0.02, would be that the w116s (exception: some 1980s that apparently delivered with w126 motor setups, or maybe it was only CA-spec cars) have different plumbing for the vacuum pump. IIRC we had some fun with this on my w126-w116 swap, in addition to what Berryman mentioned. Also the oil cooler lines are different. Mac on 6/8/06 11:55 AM, John Ervine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luther Gulseth wrote: 617.950 is listed at 115HP and the .951/2 are 123/125HP. If stroke/displacement are the same, what did they change that increased the HP? Are the shortblocks identical? TIA all. In addition to what has already been mentioned, the w116 300SDs used the earlier AirResearch turbo units. I believe AirResearch was later purchased by Garrett, but don't know that for fact. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences
I agree - both turbos spin up until the wastegate is open. Could be cam, IP or compression ratio changes. Tom Hargrave Quoting Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The turbos are interchangable from the older engines to the newer ones. As far as I can tell, they are identical. John Ervine wrote: Luther Gulseth wrote: 617.950 is listed at 115HP and the .951/2 are 123/125HP. If stroke/displacement are the same, what did they change that increased the HP? Are the shortblocks identical? TIA all. In addition to what has already been mentioned, the w116 300SDs used the earlier AirResearch turbo units. I believe AirResearch was later purchased by Garrett, but don't know that for fact. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924
Re: [MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences
Ok, the cam, oil pan, turbo, obvious mountings onto the engine are different. Can accessories from the .951/2 mount up to the .950? John Ervine [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Luther Gulseth wrote: 617.950 is listed at 115HP and the .951/2 are 123/125HP. If stroke/displacement are the same, what did they change that increased the HP? Are the shortblocks identical? TIA all. In addition to what has already been mentioned, the w116 300SDs used the earlier AirResearch turbo units. I believe AirResearch was later purchased by Garrett, but don't know that for fact. -- John L. Ervine 1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi 1980 300TD 180+kmi 1980 300SD 277+kmi 1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi 1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi 1972 220 278+kmi -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine)
Re: [MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences
Ok, so if the displacement is the same, what caused the 10HP increase from .950 to .951/2? Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Here are the differences, which I mentioned before, linkage, oil pan, ac stuff, glow plug system, wiring, vacuum pump etc, motor mount arms, exhaust hookup might be different, not sure. Then the hp is lower. Thats all I can think of at the moment. Tranny is different of course. Oil cooler lines are different, tranny lines are probably different. It will work you will just have to swap everything over from the old motor. -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine)
Re: [MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences
FWIW My 1980 300SD (MY '80, Build date 10/79) has a Garrett Turbo (original equip) still running strong. Chuck Phoenix AZ On Jun 8, 2006, at 8:55 AM, John Ervine wrote: Luther Gulseth wrote: 617.950 is listed at 115HP and the .951/2 are 123/125HP. If stroke/displacement are the same, what did they change that increased the HP? Are the shortblocks identical? TIA all. In addition to what has already been mentioned, the w116 300SDs used the earlier AirResearch turbo units. I believe AirResearch was later purchased by Garrett, but don't know that for fact. -- John L. Ervine 1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi 1980 300TD 180+kmi 1980 300SD 277+kmi 1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi 1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi 1972 220 278+kmi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences
I had read previously this was not the case, but yes a friend of mine just put a w116 turbo onto his w126 and it was a complete walk in the park. Mac on 6/8/06 12:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The turbos are interchangable from the older engines to the newer ones. As far as I can tell, they are identical. John Ervine wrote: Luther Gulseth wrote: 617.950 is listed at 115HP and the .951/2 are 123/125HP. If stroke/displacement are the same, what did they change that increased the HP? Are the shortblocks identical? TIA all. In addition to what has already been mentioned, the w116 300SDs used the earlier AirResearch turbo units. I believe AirResearch was later purchased by Garrett, but don't know that for fact.
[MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Ok, so I've sealed the baffle on the valve cover, swapped the air cleaner housing from the '82 300D into the CD, and changed the oil cooler lines. It's still burning oil and smoking but not leaking more than 2-3 small drops on my parking spot. The turbo intake is dry and free of oil now. I ran it the other day(2500-3000rpm/5 minutes) with the breather tube (flat/upgraded version) in a plastic bottle and there was only 2 drops of oil in the bottle when I was done. I also put my hand over the breather hole and held it there for more than 20 seconds with out it dying. Any other ideas where my oil might be going? TIA all. -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine)
Re: [MBZ] A possibly entertaining story, addition.
That's right...I use evap in the house up to the point the humidity is hanging out around 30% or so...or the dew point approaches 50 degrees. I was getting a 40 degre delta temp the other day (116 outside, 76 inside) until the moisture blew in right ahead of the dust storm. Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] A possibly entertaining story, addition. No, basically its sort of like an AC, sort of. They have different sizes of them ranging from little table top ones to bigger ones that sit outside the window with the air vent sticking in the windows blowing in. You basically fill the pan up with water and it pumps the water up to the top and trickles down a fiberous material thru which a fan blows air with is cooled by the flowing water. They can actually work pretty well. You have to refill it with water every so often. Steve MacSween wrote: Okay, now you have me interested but confused. Is this a dehumidifier you're talking about? Mac on 6/8/06 10:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didnt know people still used those things. We called them water coolers here. I remember when I was a kit many folks used to use those things before they had AC, in fact, we used to use one as well. Desert Rat wrote: What I appreciate the most about dry heat is the fact that all I need to cool our place is an evaporator cooler for pennies a day instead of $ per hour if I had to use the A.C. Other day it was 114 and never had to use AC. Now, when we get the monsoons in August and humidity goes over 40%, the cooler doesn't work. On 6/7/06, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences
Cam, ip is setup a little different, probably emissions maybe. Luther Gulseth wrote: Ok, so if the displacement is the same, what caused the 10HP increase from .950 to .951/2? Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Here are the differences, which I mentioned before, linkage, oil pan, ac stuff, glow plug system, wiring, vacuum pump etc, motor mount arms, exhaust hookup might be different, not sure. Then the hp is lower. Thats all I can think of at the moment. Tranny is different of course. Oil cooler lines are different, tranny lines are probably different. It will work you will just have to swap everything over from the old motor. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences
The part numbers are the same, I have pulled many off 116 engines and put them on 123/126 versions. In fact, I once replaced a KKK version in a 84 300SD with a garrett from a 116 for a customer, then turned around and sold their bad one on ebay for $80. It was insane. Steve MacSween wrote: I had read previously this was not the case, but yes a friend of mine just put a w116 turbo onto his w126 and it was a complete walk in the park. Mac on 6/8/06 12:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The turbos are interchangable from the older engines to the newer ones. As far as I can tell, they are identical. John Ervine wrote: Luther Gulseth wrote: 617.950 is listed at 115HP and the .951/2 are 123/125HP. If stroke/displacement are the same, what did they change that increased the HP? Are the shortblocks identical? TIA all. In addition to what has already been mentioned, the w116 300SDs used the earlier AirResearch turbo units. I believe AirResearch was later purchased by Garrett, but don't know that for fact. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
its burning it somewhere, if it was the turbo blowing oil out your whole back end would be covered with oil. Luther Gulseth wrote: Ok, so I've sealed the baffle on the valve cover, swapped the air cleaner housing from the '82 300D into the CD, and changed the oil cooler lines. It's still burning oil and smoking but not leaking more than 2-3 small drops on my parking spot. The turbo intake is dry and free of oil now. I ran it the other day(2500-3000rpm/5 minutes) with the breather tube (flat/upgraded version) in a plastic bottle and there was only 2 drops of oil in the bottle when I was done. I also put my hand over the breather hole and held it there for more than 20 seconds with out it dying. Any other ideas where my oil might be going? TIA all. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Woah, almost said something that would only be appropriate on the Banned list... On 6/8/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: your whole back end would be covered with oil.
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Your turbo could still be leaking into the intake, bad oil rings, or bad valve guide seals. Also check and make sure air cleaner has not got dead cat in it. Clogged air intake system could cause excessive oil consumption. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update its burning it somewhere, if it was the turbo blowing oil out your whole back end would be covered with oil. Luther Gulseth wrote: Ok, so I've sealed the baffle on the valve cover, swapped the air cleaner housing from the '82 300D into the CD, and changed the oil cooler lines. It's still burning oil and smoking but not leaking more than 2-3 small drops on my parking spot. The turbo intake is dry and free of oil now. I ran it the other day(2500-3000rpm/5 minutes) with the breather tube (flat/upgraded version) in a plastic bottle and there was only 2 drops of oil in the bottle when I was done. I also put my hand over the breather hole and held it there for more than 20 seconds with out it dying. Any other ideas where my oil might be going? TIA all. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Firewood
Mitch Haley wrote: Jim Cathey wrote: Turns out that there is no used hydraulic cylinder market, people either fix 'em forever or throw away the unrepairable ones and replace them. I've seen old useable ones at farm auctions here in Michigan, but I haven't been to one in recent years. I thought I saw some at Boeing Surplus the other day, but I wouldn't swear by it.
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
I also put my hand over the breather hole and held it there for more than 20 seconds with out it dying. Seems to me that a 617 MUST die eventually when doing this, or there is some other vapor leak from the crankcase. (Maybe the oil separator drain pipe?) -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences
Luther Gulseth wrote: 617.950 is listed at 115HP and the .951/2 are 123/125HP. If stroke/displacement are the same, what did they change that increased the HP? Are the shortblocks identical? TIA all. Depends on who's measuring them and whether it's a DIN or SAE measurement. Mercedes isn't even always consistent in the figures THEY publish. I don't think that all of the block castings were identical, but I don't believe that's the most relevant difference. I'm pretty sure there were cam differences, but there may have been other small differences as well and they may not all be associated with the chassis model changes, but may have slowly come about over the course of production. The 950, 951 and 952 designations specifically relate to engines that were assembled to be installed in 116, 126 and 123 chassis cars respectively, but all 952 engines (or 950, or 951 for that matter) were NOT identical (although all engines with one model designation could usually be interchanged without much trouble)! Lot's of people felt that the 617.950 engine in a 116 was faster than the 617.951 engine in a 126. Emissions requirements WERE different! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 no start
Loren Faeth wrote: It had not run since bambi put a hole in the radiator in Nov. It started and ran fine after the new radiator and condenser were installed. After they finished charging the AC is when they noticed it didn't want to run more than 1000 rpm, then it got worse until it will now only start and run a couple of seconds, then starves for fuel. Have you checked to make sure there's not something blocking the air cleaner? A big blockage there can act a lot like massive fuel starvation on a diesel. BTDT. It might sound far-fetched, but you never know. My dad had a swarm of bees move into the air cleaner of his Fairmont, once. rant The DNR says they are trying to grow the population of deer up to 15 per square mile. They're probably under pressure from hunters who want easy pickings. In Michigan hunting is a big tourism draw and the DNR is always under pressure to keep the herd large. I bet there weren't 15 per square mile back when there were still wolves around.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Grand Cherokee for Toyota Compact pick-up swap
Johnny, Here is one not to far away from you - needs some work and not 4x4 though. Dave W http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1995-Toyota-Tacoma-Passenger-side-Damage-2WD_W0QQitemZ4646255678QQihZ002QQcategoryZ6439QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem In light of the fact that I will be building soon, I am looking to swap a 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo for a Toyota 4x4 compact pick-
Re: [MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences
John Ervine wrote: Luther Gulseth wrote: 617.950 is listed at 115HP and the .951/2 are 123/125HP. If stroke/displacement are the same, what did they change that increased the HP? Are the shortblocks identical? TIA all. In addition to what has already been mentioned, the w116 300SDs used the earlier AirResearch turbo units. I believe AirResearch was later purchased by Garrett, but don't know that for fact. The different turbos had NO effect on power. All were able to deliver about double the boost required and power was limited by thermal considerations - NOT by turbo limitations! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] Firewood
Turns out that there is no used hydraulic cylinder market, people either fix 'em forever or throw away the unrepairable ones and replace them. I thought I saw some at Boeing Surplus the other day, but I wouldn't swear by it. I overstated the case, but I was contacting local hydraulic cylinder repair places, as avoiding shipping of heavy objects would be part of the money-saving equation. I'd need something in the 4-5 inch by 24-36 inch range, double-acting, in order to remain reasonable. (Weight, size, and operating speed that is.) I can buy new for something in the $180-225 range, plus tax and shipping as appropriate. Not horrible, of course, but it all does add up. And I'd still need to figure out how to tap into the Mog crane's hydraulic system cleanly. -- Jim
[MBZ] 126 Wheels and no digest
If anyone responded to my email question about 126 wheels, I didn't get it. My digests skipped from Vol. 7 Issue 34 and then the next one I got was Vol. 7 issue 39. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 127K
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
So the turbo wouldn't blow oil into the intake? Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: its burning it somewhere, if it was the turbo blowing oil out your whole back end would be covered with oil. -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine)
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
didnt you say there was no oil in the intake? Luther Gulseth wrote: So the turbo wouldn't blow oil into the intake? Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: its burning it somewhere, if it was the turbo blowing oil out your whole back end would be covered with oil. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Compression readings were 1-300, 2-300, 3-380, 4-345, 5-360 before I swapped the carboned up injectors out. I tried to check last weekend, but my compression tester lost an o-ring and won't seal and I'm waiting on the part. I'm fairly certain that the air intake is free and open. Don't bad valve guide seals show lots of extra blue smoke on a cold start? Mine hardly smokes until higher RPM'si.e. 2500. Luther Trampas [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Your turbo could still be leaking into the intake, bad oil rings, or bad valve guide seals. Also check and make sure air cleaner has not got dead cat in it. Clogged air intake system could cause excessive oil consumption. Trampas -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine)
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
What should happen when I plug the breather? Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I also put my hand over the breather hole and held it there for more than 20 seconds with out it dying. Seems to me that a 617 MUST die eventually when doing this, or there is some other vapor leak from the crankcase. (Maybe the oil separator drain pipe?) -- Jim -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine)
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
intake from the air cleaner to the turbo, yes. Actual intake from the turbo to the head, I haven't opened that up. Should I check there? Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: didnt you say there was no oil in the intake? Luther Gulseth wrote: So the turbo wouldn't blow oil into the intake? Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: its burning it somewhere, if it was the turbo blowing oil out your whole back end would be covered with oil. -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine)
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Sounds like bad turbo seal, blowing oil in intake. Note that intake may look clean as the oil will wash it clean and oil will to stick to inside for long before it consumed. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 2:23 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update Compression readings were 1-300, 2-300, 3-380, 4-345, 5-360 before I swapped the carboned up injectors out. I tried to check last weekend, but my compression tester lost an o-ring and won't seal and I'm waiting on the part. I'm fairly certain that the air intake is free and open. Don't bad valve guide seals show lots of extra blue smoke on a cold start? Mine hardly smokes until higher RPM'si.e. 2500. Luther Trampas [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Your turbo could still be leaking into the intake, bad oil rings, or bad valve guide seals. Also check and make sure air cleaner has not got dead cat in it. Clogged air intake system could cause excessive oil consumption. Trampas -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
probably, if you suspect it I would pull the turbo and see. Luther Gulseth wrote: intake from the air cleaner to the turbo, yes. Actual intake from the turbo to the head, I haven't opened that up. Should I check there? Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: didnt you say there was no oil in the intake? Luther Gulseth wrote: So the turbo wouldn't blow oil into the intake? Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: its burning it somewhere, if it was the turbo blowing oil out your whole back end would be covered with oil. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Well if you think about it, the turbo sucks air from air cleaner and blows it into the intake. Thus if it leaked oil it would be blown into intake, not air cleaner. I would bet money the turbo seal is bad. I know that Kaleb will sell you a bad one for $80, I bet the good ones might be cheaper.. hahahaha Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 2:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update intake from the air cleaner to the turbo, yes. Actual intake from the turbo to the head, I haven't opened that up. Should I check there? Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: didnt you say there was no oil in the intake? Luther Gulseth wrote: So the turbo wouldn't blow oil into the intake? Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: its burning it somewhere, if it was the turbo blowing oil out your whole back end would be covered with oil. -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
they usually sell for around 150 or so for good ones. Trampas wrote: Well if you think about it, the turbo sucks air from air cleaner and blows it into the intake. Thus if it leaked oil it would be blown into intake, not air cleaner. I would bet money the turbo seal is bad. I know that Kaleb will sell you a bad one for $80, I bet the good ones might be cheaper.. hahahaha Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 2:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update intake from the air cleaner to the turbo, yes. Actual intake from the turbo to the head, I haven't opened that up. Should I check there? Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: didnt you say there was no oil in the intake? Luther Gulseth wrote: So the turbo wouldn't blow oil into the intake? Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: its burning it somewhere, if it was the turbo blowing oil out your whole back end would be covered with oil. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Nearly dead 87 300D battery/neat start
WHAT? I don't think generators came on as standard equipment until the styled tractors in '39 and you could still order a magneto ignition (starter delete) until the Supers came out in '52. This was an F12, '35 IIRC, my great uncle used it to mow around the house with a 5' bellymower. -Curt Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:41:56 -0700 From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Nearly dead 87 300D battery/neat start To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I had an old Farmall tractor that I always have to remember to park in gear, you could turn it over so easy the wind on the fan blades would crank it and it'd be sitting there idling when I came home. Never heard of a Farmall with a magneto before! -- Jim __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jun 08 18:42:20 2006 Received: from fed1rmmtao09.cox.net ([68.230.241.30]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FoPSW-0005Sf-4H for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:42:20 + Received: from familycomp ([68.106.48.86]) by fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 14:42:10 -0400 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:42:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: [MBZ] Was '72 350SL, Now: We're Good Guys X-BeenThere: Mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:42:20 - I felt badly last night thinking about how that poor old guy could = barely stand up outdoors, willing to fill me in on his car as I looked. = So...today I called him to give him my name and number telling him that = when he feels up to it give me a call so I can give it a good once over = and drive it. He said that would be great. He then went into a little = spiel about how considerate that was of me and about how people who own = older Mercedes are generally very nice and considerate that way. He then = mentioned how he was glad some one who knew whar he was getting and = would take good care of it was fixin' to buy his car. What a nice = feller. I felt glad/proud for all of us. It appears we're not as looney as our = spouses sometimes think. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 154K '01 VW Beetle TDI 66K working on getting 72 350SL 78K (woo hoo) From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jun 08 18:49:34 2006 Received: from web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.36]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FoPZV-0006An-Mb for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:49:34 + Received: (qmail 31595 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jun 2006 18:49:24 - DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dP9ItWtKrcbnPlCz4Xt1lZdlBuUXv7XzyDQ9ie8EdQYU8ma7+3GFuzhg02yCzOrhL94+z60ySs8vx5qkFQe1cZzgiKFTBUvVdLQ+1hVzLJrY+veItLGcI0pY8Zna9eXZDKmRWGU711GNKaATFTgGl15Q8CdqQ/JV/qfKCbgwZQs= ; Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [198.51.119.130] by web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 11:49:24 PDT Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:49:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jim, did you call this fellow? X-BeenThere: Mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Luther Gulseth wrote: Compression readings were 1-300, 2-300, 3-380, 4-345, 5-360 before I swapped the carboned up injectors out. I tried to check last weekend, but my compression tester lost an o-ring and won't seal and I'm waiting on the part. I'm fairly certain that the air intake is free and open. Don't bad valve guide seals show lots of extra blue smoke on a cold start? Mine hardly smokes until higher RPM'si.e. 2500. If the timer (the centrifugal injection advance device that's driven by the chain and that the injection pump is coupled to) isn't advancing as it should, you could have the effect you are seeing. What's fuel consumption and 0-60 acceleration times like? Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Luther Gulseth wrote: What should happen when I plug the breather? The engine should stop in 5-15 seconds- UNLESS there's a leak and pressure in the sump and valve cover area can escape. That pressurizes the shutoff diaphragm on the other side from where vacuum is applied to shut it off. That shuts off the engine. The pressure buildup puts pressure on the fuel shutoff valve on the injection pump via the oiling system to/from the injection pump. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
What should happen when I plug the breather? The engine should labor and die as crankcase pressure builds up. Due to the particular construction of the 617, the shutoff diaphragm gets pushed on just as if you put a vacuum on its other side. (All pressure is relative.) It is used as a poor-man's blowby test, and was shown me by the dealership service manager (though I'd heard of it before that). If it dies quickly the engine is in poor shape, though the converse is not true. The crankcase ventilation system has to be intact, you see. If it's leaky elsewhere the pressure can't build up, and it can masquerade as an unworn engine. Also, high blowby need not be a permanent condition, if it's due to carbon build-up. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Fuel economy is better than 25 and most of the time 27-29 running on pure diesel. I haven't timed 0-60, but it will easily out run my SD or my parents 300D. Luther Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Luther Gulseth wrote: Compression readings were 1-300, 2-300, 3-380, 4-345, 5-360 before I swapped the carboned up injectors out. I tried to check last weekend, but my compression tester lost an o-ring and won't seal and I'm waiting on the part. I'm fairly certain that the air intake is free and open. Don't bad valve guide seals show lots of extra blue smoke on a cold start? Mine hardly smokes until higher RPM'si.e. 2500. If the timer (the centrifugal injection advance device that's driven by the chain and that the injection pump is coupled to) isn't advancing as it should, you could have the effect you are seeing. What's fuel consumption and 0-60 acceleration times like? Marshall -- -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine)
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
What's the best way to track down a leak like this? Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Luther Gulseth wrote: What should happen when I plug the breather? The engine should stop in 5-15 seconds- UNLESS there's a leak and pressure in the sump and valve cover area can escape. That pressurizes the shutoff diaphragm on the other side from where vacuum is applied to shut it off. That shuts off the engine. The pressure buildup puts pressure on the fuel shutoff valve on the injection pump via the oiling system to/from the injection pump. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine)
Re: [MBZ] Was '72 350SL, Now: We're Good Guys
Oh we're still a little looney here, we're just smart enough to keep it under control :) Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:42:12 -0700 Subject: [MBZ] Was '72 350SL, Now: We're Good Guys I felt badly last night thinking about how that poor old guy could barely stand up outdoors, willing to fill me in on his car as I looked. So...today I called him to give him my name and number telling him that when he feels up to it give me a call so I can give it a good once over and drive it. He said that would be great. He then went into a little spiel about how considerate that was of me and about how people who own older Mercedes are generally very nice and considerate that way. He then mentioned how he was glad some one who knew whar he was getting and would take good care of it was fixin' to buy his car. What a nice feller. I felt glad/proud for all of us. It appears we're not as looney as our spouses sometimes think. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 154K '01 VW Beetle TDI 66K working on getting 72 350SL 78K (woo hoo) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com
Re: [MBZ] wheels for 126
on 6/7/06 5:45 PM, Donald Snook at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know of place to get either of these wheels for my 126 (besides Tire Rack). I would like to find used Mercedes wheels for a reasonable price, rather than buying the aftermarket wheels. Try Ongager Corporation 619-421-3254 -- the owner there is Bob Gunthorp, and he's in Chula Vista, Ca. They are enthusiasts and very easy to deal with. I can't come up with their URL but Bob is or was [EMAIL PROTECTED] Silver Star Recycling (Rancho Cordova, CA) runs auctions on eBay for w123/w116/w126 used chrome rims, from time to time, but it's a crap shoot on what you get for what price, from what I've seen. They are also notoriously slow shipping stuff, I waited two months for a mirror and at the time their feedback indicated this was not uncommon. Kaleb or someone else here had a major problem with them as well, IIRC. Mac
Re: [MBZ] 126 Wheels and no digest
I replied to you, Donald. I've resent my reply, separately. Mac on 6/8/06 1:56 PM, Donald Snook at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anyone responded to my email question about 126 wheels, I didn't get it. My digests skipped from Vol. 7 Issue 34 and then the next one I got was Vol. 7 issue 39. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 127K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Swap turbo with spare car, if problem goes away then it is turbo. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:09 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update What's the best way to track down a leak like this? Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Luther Gulseth wrote: What should happen when I plug the breather? The engine should stop in 5-15 seconds- UNLESS there's a leak and pressure in the sump and valve cover area can escape. That pressurizes the shutoff diaphragm on the other side from where vacuum is applied to shut it off. That shuts off the engine. The pressure buildup puts pressure on the fuel shutoff valve on the injection pump via the oiling system to/from the injection pump. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
I was talking about the breather/valve cover pressure. Trampas [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Swap turbo with spare car, if problem goes away then it is turbo. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:09 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update What's the best way to track down a leak like this? Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Luther Gulseth wrote: What should happen when I plug the breather? The engine should stop in 5-15 seconds- UNLESS there's a leak and pressure in the sump and valve cover area can escape. That pressurizes the shutoff diaphragm on the other side from where vacuum is applied to shut it off. That shuts off the engine. The pressure buildup puts pressure on the fuel shutoff valve on the injection pump via the oiling system to/from the injection pump. Marshall -- -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine)
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Luther Gulseth wrote: Fuel economy is better than 25 and most of the time 27-29 running on pure diesel. I haven't timed 0-60, but it will easily out run my SD or my parents 300D. Unlikely to be the timer then. This may actually be one of those times when it really IS the turbo oil seals (that's rare, but it does happen). Only way you're going to tell for sure is to replace the turbo. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] Was '72 350SL, Now: We're Good Guys
I am. --R Bob Rentfro wrote: It appears we're not as looney as our spouses sometimes think.
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Luther Gulseth wrote: What's the best way to track down a leak like this? Since I never use blocking the vent to test the engine, I never discover such leaks - and if I don't know about them, the engine runs fine and is not consuming oil or fuel at an alarming rate, I'm sure not going to spend any time looking for them. Most leaks of that sort push oil vapor out thru them and the engine gets dirty there (like around the breather line or the oil fill cap). That I notice and MAY do something about - especially if I'm using LOTS of oil. Start by cleaning the engine. Then look for new oil deposits over the next few days. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
[MBZ] Electrical problems
Hello, I have a 87 300SDL, I'm wondering what might cause the number 5 fuse to blow when I put the car in reverse, it only blows then, I can start the car in neutral and select drive and its ok. I can tell this because the A/C- blower stays running. The fuse designation chart lists fuse #5, as a 8 amp white fuse that controls the following back-up lamp, heating water valves, water pump, climate control syst, relay aux fan term. 86, aut. transmission electrics, blower motor inside temp sensor, air condition compressor, electromagn. clutch/valve air injection. I also have another problem that my blinkers and flasher do not function this is control by the #2 8 amp fuse which is good because my clock functions. It controls diagnostic term. 6 hazard warning system, clock front roof light electronic radio, vanity mirror light, electr. illum. control It did blow the fuse in the back of my Becker radio. Any help info would be great. Thanks Roger _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
Re: [MBZ] Electrical problems
I have a 87 300SDL, I'm wondering what might cause the number 5 fuse to blow when I put the car in reverse, it only blows then, I can start the car in neutral and select drive and its ok. Shorted backup light bulb. Bad neutral safety switch (on tranny). I also have another problem that my blinkers and flasher do not function this is control by the #2 8 amp fuse which is good because my clock functions. Cycle the hazard switch a whole bunch of times. They get dirty, this takes out one or both functions. Disassembly and cleaning is common here. If bad enough, replacement is required. -- Jim
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