Re: [MBZ] OM 603 no start

2006-06-08 Thread Loren Faeth
Nothing changes when it is bottle-fed.  (paragraph 1)  That was tried with 
no change.


I will try having them start it with the oil filler cap off.  Maybe the 
crankcase breather has gotten plugged up.  (Paragraph 2)


Thanks Dr. Booth

Loren

At 09:28 PM 6/7/2006, you wrote:

Loren Faeth wrote:
 Got a question guys!

 The Bambi-killing TD is finished. (87 300TD, OM 603) They had it idling 
for
 a couple of hours filling and checking the AC.  After this couple of 
hours,

 it would not run over 1000 rpm.  After a while, it idled rough, then
 died.  We checked/changed filters.  Fuel flow seems to be ok.  Cracking
 lines shows little /no fuel flow.

 Now what happens:  After it sits 30 min or more, it will start and idle a
 couple of seconds, then shut off, starved for fuel.  It will not
 restart.  I had them unhook the brown vacuum tube and try it then.  No 
change.


 My thought is perhaps a stuck rack or the shut-off valve gone bad on the
 pump.

 Anybody BTDT?  In 30+ years I have never had a stuck rack, but the car has
 been sitting for 7 months.

 If the shut-down has gone bad,  is this behavior normal with/without the
 vacuum hooked up?  Is Brown/purple the correct tube for the shutdown?  I
 tried that over the phone.  If I could see the pump, i can tell.

Will it run when fuel is applied like you do with Diesel Purge? If it
does the blockade is between the tank and the lift pump.

If there is serious crankcase pressure (like when the crank breather is
blocked), it will shut off the fuel shutoff valve within seconds after
the engine starts.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Lists should be back up now

2006-06-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
well, email me privately to discuss.  Seems I sent you a reponse to you 
a while back but then never heard about about it.


Luther Gulseth wrote:


What's it gonna take to make it be un-lonely on my property?

On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 09:47:46 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:




Its sitting here, lonely

Luther Gulseth wrote:



All for my good buddy Kaleb.
How's my SDL?

On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 22:46:16 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

wrote:




Thanks, you have been a big help.

Luther Gulseth wrote:




then remove the links.  A web page sucks when it has dead links.












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Re: [MBZ] OT - Nice Words - too fat

2006-06-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

oh god

LT Don wrote:


Anyone need to photocopy my shelf full of vegetarian cookbooks?



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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
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[MBZ] ADMIN, language

2006-06-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
OK folks, been gitting a little lax in the foul language department. 
Have been receiving complants so lets tone it back a bit.  Thank you and 
now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Better Living Through Machinery

2006-06-08 Thread John Berryman


On Jun 7, 2006, at 5:14 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote:

Wow.  Put me on your estate sale mailing list please? :)  Though,  
knowing my
luck, that'll be years after I've aquired most of the same  
toolsI'm
nearly there with the addition of Grandpa's 2 houses worth of  
tools


Luther



	At times some were used more than others. I rarely have call for the  
lathe but it has bailed me out of all kinds of stuff. Mower,  
household, automotive, whatever.
	My buddy had his machine shop set-up less than a mile away. He had  
the whole magilla. We picked up a giant vertical mill once it weighed  
like 9500#. The flatbed driver slipped it into the shop after we  
removed the roll-up door and a little trim.
	I'm amazed that something so huge could be as accurate as this  
machine was. It made a Bridgeport look like a hand grinder in the end  
product. Machines are fascinating.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



Re: [MBZ] A possibly entertaining story, addition.

2006-06-08 Thread Jim Cathey

Here in Washington State I find the summers are quite mild
and A/C is kind of superfluous.


There's a fair climatic variation around this state.  Nothing we
had on the wet side had AC when I was growing up, and you really
didn't miss it.  Here on the dry side, it gets a bit hot.  (But
never all that humid, which is nice.)  As I said before, a vehicle
designed for no AC is tolerable, one that is not, is not.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] Better Living Through Machinery

2006-06-08 Thread John Berryman


On Jun 7, 2006, at 5:29 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


I'm close, missing the lathe and press.  (I have a wood lathe
though.)  No forge/foundry, so I'm messed up there too.  It
would be nice to have a good mill, maybe someday.  It's really
nice to know that you can _make_ what you need, if you can't
find it otherwise.  Am I ready for that 600 yet?  Are you?

-- Jim


	I acquired all the stuff over time. Mostly used, high quality stuff  
that was donated, bought cheap, salvaged, you know the drill. The  
foundry guy is about 30 miles from me. I worked on his boat a few  
times, gratis. He makes me his assistant when I need something. Same  
thing, I don't need it much but its good to know its there if you  
need it.
	There are plenty of old machines not being used now due to CNC so  
they're usually pretty reasonable if you don't mind cranking handles  
around.  600 ? splain please


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



Re: [MBZ] Nearly dead 87 300D battery/neat start

2006-06-08 Thread John Berryman


On Jun 7, 2006, at 6:51 PM, wilton strickland wrote:

Yes Johnny, It's all good.  I understand.  'Just thought an  
absolutely

static start was really neat and indicates well-tuned engine.  'Not
complaining.

Wilton


	I think its cool too. Makes you proud of your maintenance regimen.   
It does kinda remind me of a hang-fire in a black powder rifle.  
Sometimes my bike will sneeze when I turn the key on.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



Re: [MBZ] Firewood

2006-06-08 Thread John Berryman


On Jun 7, 2006, at 8:48 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


Still toying with the idea of building my own splitter for
the Mog's killer auxiliary hydraulic system.  Turns out that
there is no used hydraulic cylinder market, people either fix
'em forever or throw away the unrepairable ones and replace
them.

-- Jim


	Northern Tool has a good selection in the hydraulic dept. Make it  
split it and throw into the mog or a trailer for you too.


Here's a Google Search results page for ya:

	http://www.google.com/search?client=safarirls=enq=Used+Hydraulic 
+Equipmentie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am


Re: [MBZ] A possibly entertaining story, addition.

2006-06-08 Thread Chuck Landenberger

Johnny B...

My theory is HOT is HOT  whatever we can take is what we do,  
when we have to do what we have to do!


Dry Heat is just a PR line.  I grew up outside Washington DC w/o AC  
and slept in the glider (if anybody knows what that is?) on the  
front screened porch.  Just  plain hot w/high humidity and Louie  
Allen drawing stick figures for the weather forecast on WMAL-TV...


Weather is weather and we make too much about it and a whole lot of  
other stuff that is just gonna' happen whether we like it or not


Off the soapbox..!

Chuck
Phoenix AZ

 



Re: [MBZ] 240D from VA to PA, need advice..

2006-06-08 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:33:00 -0400 John Berryman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Jun 7, 2006, at 2:43 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:
 
   The full faith
  and credit clause of the US Constitution is your defense here, and
  good luck to you with that!
 
 
   I wasn't aware of such a clause. Can you point me to the text  
 without making me read the whole enchilada?
 


http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleiv.html



Re: [MBZ] Coil Spring Compressor

2006-06-08 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:43:45 -0400 John Berryman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   My gear wrench set is all Taiwan but it is holding up real well. I
 was pleasantly surprised as Taiwan was analogous to junk in the not  
 too distant past.

Just like Japan was analogous to junk in the late '50s...


Craig



Re: [MBZ] '72 350SL

2006-06-08 Thread John Berryman


On Jun 7, 2006, at 8:53 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote:

Putting yourself in traction daily isn't mentioned anywhere in the  
list of

things to do to take it easy.
But, if it works for you and it makes you able to accomplish all those
things, then good for you Johnny B.

Bob Rentfro


	I don't ned it daily now but when I get good and physical with the  
work it helps a lot. I use it as preventative maintenance at those  
times. Being sedentary is worse than keeping moving in my case any way.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



Re: [MBZ] '72 350SL

2006-06-08 Thread John Berryman


On Jun 7, 2006, at 8:54 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:



If you're serious about a lift really check your height.  I built
my lower garage at 10' so that I'd have plenty of room for a lift.
Turns out I don't, I'd need more like 11' in order not to be limited
in what kind of lift I could have.

-- Jim


	I've run around with my tape measure to get an idea what I should  
do. I settled on 12'. I'm 5'6, so I should be able to stand erect  
under just about anything that'll fit through the door. I want a  
clear floor model, I know that. Much nicer pulling trannies etc.  
That'll be in right after the framing and roof are up.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



Re: [MBZ] Jim, did you call this fellow?

2006-06-08 Thread kevin kraly

sell the car from PDX.  The prices
there are insane

It's definitely a seller's market for MB diesels out here in Portland.  I'm 
thinking about making the '81 300CD look nice and put it up for sale once I 
get around to sorting out the GP system just because the market is so good 
right now.  VW TDI's have gone through the roof and are heading skyward.


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1981 300CD 204K miles, Giesela 





Re: [MBZ] JohnnyB's Real Men

2006-06-08 Thread John Berryman


On Jun 7, 2006, at 9:08 PM, Loren Faeth wrote:


So, Johnny, how is that for an opening shot?  Yours is a good one too.

Grumpy ol man  (got the manual ice auger to prove it)  ; )



Right on.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



Re: [MBZ] OM 603 no start

2006-06-08 Thread John Berryman


On Jun 7, 2006, at 9:21 PM, Loren Faeth wrote:


Got a question guys!


	How did it run before left idling for the AC work? Is linkage moving  
freely? Is the compressor seizing up?


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



Re: [MBZ] Phoenix weather

2006-06-08 Thread RELNGSON
Weather is weather and we make too much about it and a whole lot of other 
stuff that is just gonna' happen whether we like it or notOff the 
soapbox..!
 Chuck Phoenix AZ
 
Uhhh, yeah, Chuck. I saw yesterday's Phoenix sand storm on TV last night. 
Weather, indeed. Come to think of it, it reminded me of Flight of the Phoenix.

RLE
 
 



Re: [MBZ] A possibly entertaining story, addition.

2006-06-08 Thread Desert Rat

What I appreciate the most about dry heat is the fact that all I need
to cool our place is an evaporator cooler for pennies a day instead of
$ per hour if I had to use the A.C. Other day it was 114 and never had
to use AC. Now, when we get the monsoons in August and humidity goes
over 40%, the cooler doesn't work.
On 6/7/06, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Johnny B...

My theory is HOT is HOT  whatever we can take is what we do,
when we have to do what we have to do!

Dry Heat is just a PR line.  I grew up outside Washington DC w/o AC
and slept in the glider (if anybody knows what that is?) on the
front screened porch.  Just  plain hot w/high humidity and Louie
Allen drawing stick figures for the weather forecast on WMAL-TV...

Weather is weather and we make too much about it and a whole lot of
other stuff that is just gonna' happen whether we like it or not

Off the soapbox..!

Chuck
Phoenix AZ



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Re: [MBZ] Coil Spring Compressor

2006-06-08 Thread jzedic

 
  My gear wrench set is all Taiwan but it is holding up real well. I
  was pleasantly surprised as Taiwan was analogous to junk in the not  
  too distant past.
 
 Just like Japan was analogous to junk in the late '50s...
 


The big difference between then and now is that Japan had the rule of law and 
people obeyed it. China is whatever goes, goes...good luck to us all for bein 
so shortsighted and handing them everything we have/had...suckers!


Jeff Zedic
Toronto
Sick of China

87 300TD




Re: [MBZ] Firewood

2006-06-08 Thread Mitch Haley
Jim Cathey wrote:
  Turns out that there is no used hydraulic cylinder market, people either fix
 'em forever or throw away the unrepairable ones and replace them.

I've seen old useable ones at farm auctions here in Michigan, but I haven't been
to one in recent years.

Mitch



Re: [MBZ] unobtanium, but on crack

2006-06-08 Thread Gary Thompson

I started to think that's high, but not really high. Then I saw the
salvage title :^(


Gary Thompson
1995 E320


On 6/6/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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Re: [MBZ] OM 603 no start

2006-06-08 Thread Loren Faeth
It had not run since bambi put a hole in the radiator in Nov.  It started 
and ran fine after the new radiator and condenser were installed.  After 
they finished charging the AC is when they noticed it didn't want to run 
more than 1000 rpm, then it got worse until it will now only start and run 
a couple of seconds, then starves for fuel.  I told them to push it to the 
side and leave it until I can get there to work on it.  I think there has 
to be a simple explanation.


Compressor is ok and the linkage is moving freely.  It has not been 
disturbed as far as I know.  I will check all that when I get there.


The fact that it started and seemed to run fine initially seems to be an 
argument against the stuck rack theory.  I'd like to try Jim's suggestion 
to pressurize the vacuum shut down and Marshall's suggestion about the 
crankcase vent.


Temporarily sticking an electric fuel pump in the feed line would allow me 
to check fuel pressure right up to the fuel inlet at the Inj. pump like I 
used to do with the hand primer.


rant  The DNR says they are trying to grow the population of deer up to 
15 per square mile.  In the area where the bambi attack happened, herds of 
15-25 in small fields are not unusual.  They are WAY over 15 per square 
mile. More like 15 per quarter of a quarter section (40 acres)  Even at 
half that density, it is 4320 per square mile. I'd like to see the herd 
thinned to where it was stable, like 30 years ago.  Now they are so thick, 
and so desperate for territory, they are no longer afraid of people, houses 
etc.  They go trotting down the streets of towns and cities.   When I lived 
there, I had 3 bedding in my yard.  DNR=morons  /rant


Loren


At 12:01 AM 6/8/2006, you wrote:


On Jun 7, 2006, at 9:21 PM, Loren Faeth wrote:

 Got a question guys!

How did it run before left idling for the AC work? Is linkage 
moving

freely? Is the compressor seizing up?

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

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Re: [MBZ] unobtanium, but on crack

2006-06-08 Thread John Berryman


On Jun 8, 2006, at 10:04 AM, Gary Thompson wrote:


I started to think that's high, but not really high. Then I saw the
salvage title :^(


Gary Thompson



	High? If it really has 127,000, $3500 is real fair. Although, as  
usual the auction is not near over. Why do salvage titles scare  
people so much? What if it was a recovered stolen or something that  
didn't involve chassis damage? What if it was totaled and repaired  
properly?The seller might be truthful if asked about it.
	 I'd gladly pay $5,000 for that car if it checks out. It would last  
a long, long time


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



Re: [MBZ] A possibly entertaining story, addition.

2006-06-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Didnt know people still used those things.  We called them water coolers 
here. I remember when I was a kit many folks used to use those things 
before they had AC, in fact, we used to use one as well.


Desert Rat wrote:


What I appreciate the most about dry heat is the fact that all I need
to cool our place is an evaporator cooler for pennies a day instead of
$ per hour if I had to use the A.C. Other day it was 114 and never had
to use AC. Now, when we get the monsoons in August and humidity goes
over 40%, the cooler doesn't work.
On 6/7/06, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



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 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] A possibly entertaining story, addition.

2006-06-08 Thread Steve MacSween
Okay, now you have me interested but confused.

Is this a dehumidifier you're talking about?

Mac

on 6/8/06 10:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Didnt know people still used those things.  We called them water coolers
 here. I remember when I was a kit many folks used to use those things
 before they had AC, in fact, we used to use one as well.
 
 Desert Rat wrote:
 
 What I appreciate the most about dry heat is the fact that all I need
 to cool our place is an evaporator cooler for pennies a day instead of
 $ per hour if I had to use the A.C. Other day it was 114 and never had
 to use AC. Now, when we get the monsoons in August and humidity goes
 over 40%, the cooler doesn't work.
 On 6/7/06, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 




Re: [MBZ] A possibly entertaining story, addition.

2006-06-08 Thread Jim Cathey
Didnt know people still used those things.  We called them water 
coolers


Or swamp coolers.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] Better Living Through Machinery

2006-06-08 Thread Jim Cathey

600 ? splain please


The Grosser Benz.  The one for which parts are largely
unique to the car and highly expensive.  The one with
hydraulic _everything_.  The one for which the 6.3 and
6.9 motors was created.  The Waterloo of many a Benz
owner.  Shall I go on?

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] A possibly entertaining story, addition.

2006-06-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
No, basically its sort of like an AC, sort of.  They have different 
sizes of them ranging from little table top ones to bigger ones that sit 
outside the window with the air vent sticking in the windows blowing in. 
 You basically fill the pan up with water and it pumps the water up to 
the top and trickles down a fiberous material thru which a fan blows air 
with is cooled by the flowing water.  They can actually work pretty 
well.  You have to refill it with water every so often.


Steve MacSween wrote:


Okay, now you have me interested but confused.

Is this a dehumidifier you're talking about?

Mac

on 6/8/06 10:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Didnt know people still used those things.  We called them water coolers
here. I remember when I was a kit many folks used to use those things
before they had AC, in fact, we used to use one as well.

Desert Rat wrote:



What I appreciate the most about dry heat is the fact that all I need
to cool our place is an evaporator cooler for pennies a day instead of
$ per hour if I had to use the A.C. Other day it was 114 and never had
to use AC. Now, when we get the monsoons in August and humidity goes
over 40%, the cooler doesn't work.
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Re: [MBZ] A possibly entertaining story, addition.

2006-06-08 Thread Steve MacSween
Who sells them? 

Now that you mention it, I have heard my mom talk about this from way back,
but never understood what she meant. I have central AC but dislike it, so
I'm very interested in this.

Mac

on 6/8/06 11:00 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 No, basically its sort of like an AC, sort of.  They have different
 sizes of them ranging from little table top ones to bigger ones that sit
 outside the window with the air vent sticking in the windows blowing in.
 You basically fill the pan up with water and it pumps the water up to
 the top and trickles down a fiberous material thru which a fan blows air
 with is cooled by the flowing water.  They can actually work pretty
 well.  You have to refill it with water every so often.
 
 Steve MacSween wrote:
 
 Okay, now you have me interested but confused.
 
 Is this a dehumidifier you're talking about?
 
 Mac
 
 on 6/8/06 10:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 Didnt know people still used those things.  We called them water coolers
 here. I remember when I was a kit many folks used to use those things
 before they had AC, in fact, we used to use one as well.
 
 Desert Rat wrote:
 
 
 What I appreciate the most about dry heat is the fact that all I need
 to cool our place is an evaporator cooler for pennies a day instead of
 $ per hour if I had to use the A.C. Other day it was 114 and never had
 to use AC. Now, when we get the monsoons in August and humidity goes
 over 40%, the cooler doesn't work.
 On 6/7/06, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 
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[MBZ] location of Aux Cooling fan temperature switch 1985 300SD?

2006-06-08 Thread George Larribeau
Trying to identify location of Aux Cooling fan temperature switch

ETM on page 202 lists location as On water outlet my car has 3 switches / 
senders at this location (outlet / thermostat housing) 

ETM diagram on page 129/1 lists switch operating temperature at 100C is this 
correct? No known changes?

George Larribeau
Dallas, Texas

1985 300SD 190K
1987 HD FLHTC 86K
1984 Motoguzzi Cal -2 80K
1972 Motoguzzi Ambassador LOTS
1965 Chevy C-10 pick up truck lots of miles 3rd small block ..(Extra
Ugly,but runs)


1993 BMW 323i  115K (Wife's Car)
1967 BMW R50/2 (Wife's MC, currently in a Basket)
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On Jun 8, 2006, at 10:58 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:

 The Grosser Benz.  The one for which parts are largely
 unique to the car and highly expensive.  The one with
 hydraulic _everything_.  The one for which the 6.3 and
 6.9 motors was created.  The Waterloo of many a Benz
 owner.  Shall I go on?

 -- Jim

No, please spare me the agony. Shoot me if you see me even thinking
about one of those nightmares. I figgered you meant THAT 600!
Furthest thing from my mind.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



Re: [MBZ] A possibly entertaining story, addition.

2006-06-08 Thread Jim Cathey

Who sells them [swamp coolers]?


Around here, the same places (hardware and home improvement stores)
that sell room AC units.

-- Jim




[MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences

2006-06-08 Thread Luther Gulseth


617.950 is listed at 115HP and the .951/2 are 123/125HP.  If 
stroke/displacement are the same, what did they change that increased the 
HP?  Are the shortblocks identical?  TIA all.

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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (160kmi)
'82 300D  (74kmi needs block or engine)





[MBZ] OT: Grand Cherokee for Toyota Compact pick-up swap

2006-06-08 Thread John Berryman
	In light of the fact that I will be building soon, I am looking to  
swap a 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo for a Toyota 4x4 compact pick- 
up. Prefer 5spd 4cyl doesn't need to be perfect but no rot-boxes.


	The Jeep has 150,000mi, Amsoil, auto, new ball-joints, brakes, Water  
pump, thermostat, sepentine belt, recent exhaust, will need tires  
before too long. Very solid with some rust showing around rear hatch  
only.
	I replaced the thermostat because it was stuck open. Water pump let  
go all at once, while I was driving it, it didn't overheat, I filled  
it and drove it home to replace pump with a new one. It runs and  
shifts great. The rear wiper is in-op, never checked why. Front wiper  
works on high only and doesn't park automatically, I never tried it  
but Cathy says cruise doesn't work. Other than those items,  
everything else works fine.

Oh, it's white w/ tan leather, CD player, power everything.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



Re: [MBZ] Swamp coolers

2006-06-08 Thread Chuck Landenberger
There are still lots of swamp coolers around here in AZ.  New ones  
are available.Mostly used for replacement ..  Newer homes (last  
15 years) only have A/C...


Most they are roof mounted and bring in dry air, pass it through a  
waterfall and distribute the humidified air throughout the duct  
system of a house.


Downside...  The calcium and other stuff in the water can build up  
and make a mess.  Really should have a water decalcification system  
to go with it.  Many homes have both A/C and swamp coolers and use  
one or the other depending on how high the temp gets..


Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ  Only has A/C and keep it at 83F...

On Jun 8, 2006, at 8:00 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


No, basically its sort of like an AC, sort of.  They have different
sizes of them ranging from little table top ones to bigger ones  
that sit
outside the window with the air vent sticking in the windows  
blowing in.
  You basically fill the pan up with water and it pumps the water  
up to
the top and trickles down a fiberous material thru which a fan  
blows air

with is cooled by the flowing water.  They can actually work pretty
well.  You have to refill it with water every so often.

Steve MacSween wrote:


Okay, now you have me interested but confused.

Is this a dehumidifier you're talking about?

Mac

on 6/8/06 10:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Didnt know people still used those things.  We called them water  
coolers
here. I remember when I was a kit many folks used to use those  
things

before they had AC, in fact, we used to use one as well.

Desert Rat wrote:


What I appreciate the most about dry heat is the fact that all I  
need
to cool our place is an evaporator cooler for pennies a day  
instead of
$ per hour if I had to use the A.C. Other day it was 114 and  
never had
to use AC. Now, when we get the monsoons in August and humidity  
goes

over 40%, the cooler doesn't work.
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Re: [MBZ] A possibly entertaining story, addition.

2006-06-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Well the have quite a selection of them at our local farm and ranch 
store.  Would think a similar place up by you would sell them.


http://www.atwoods.com/storage/weeklySpecials/69/06-07-06back.gif

Steve MacSween wrote:

Who sells them? 


Now that you mention it, I have heard my mom talk about this from way back,
but never understood what she meant. I have central AC but dislike it, so
I'm very interested in this.

Mac

on 6/8/06 11:00 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



No, basically its sort of like an AC, sort of.  They have different
sizes of them ranging from little table top ones to bigger ones that sit
outside the window with the air vent sticking in the windows blowing in.
You basically fill the pan up with water and it pumps the water up to
the top and trickles down a fiberous material thru which a fan blows air
with is cooled by the flowing water.  They can actually work pretty
well.  You have to refill it with water every so often.

Steve MacSween wrote:



Okay, now you have me interested but confused.

Is this a dehumidifier you're talking about?

Mac

on 6/8/06 10:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Didnt know people still used those things.  We called them water coolers
here. I remember when I was a kit many folks used to use those things
before they had AC, in fact, we used to use one as well.

Desert Rat wrote:




What I appreciate the most about dry heat is the fact that all I need
to cool our place is an evaporator cooler for pennies a day instead of
$ per hour if I had to use the A.C. Other day it was 114 and never had
to use AC. Now, when we get the monsoons in August and humidity goes
over 40%, the cooler doesn't work.
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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences

2006-06-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Actually not sure where your figures come from but its 110 for the 116 
version and 120 for the 123/126 81-84 and either 123 or 125 for the 85 
version.


Luther Gulseth wrote:



617.950 is listed at 115HP and the .951/2 are 123/125HP.  If 
stroke/displacement are the same, what did they change that increased the 
HP?  Are the shortblocks identical?  TIA all.




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 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net



Re: [MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences

2006-06-08 Thread John Berryman


On Jun 8, 2006, at 11:29 AM, Luther Gulseth wrote:


617.950 is listed at 115HP and the .951/2 are 123/125HP.  If
stroke/displacement are the same, what did they change that  
increased the

HP?  Are the shortblocks identical?  TIA all.


	For one the cams are different and possible upper oil pan  
differences, on the 950. I wanna say .951=300D-CD 952=300SD with  
different mount brackets and oil pump housing. 951952 are  
interchangeable noting the items mentioned above.

The engine I mentioned to you is a 952 adapted for 300D.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



Re: [MBZ] Swamp Coolers

2006-06-08 Thread Chuck Landenberger

Mac,

Try this link for more info:

http://www.sahra.arizona.edu/programs/water_cons/home/cooler.htm

Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ

Steve MacSween wrote:


Who sells them?






Re: [MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences

2006-06-08 Thread John Ervine

Luther Gulseth wrote:


617.950 is listed at 115HP and the .951/2 are 123/125HP.  If 
stroke/displacement are the same, what did they change that increased the 
HP?  Are the shortblocks identical?  TIA all.


In addition to what has already been mentioned, the w116 300SDs used the earlier 
AirResearch turbo units.  I believe AirResearch was later purchased by Garrett, 
but don't know that for fact.


--
John L. Ervine
1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi
1980 300TD 180+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi
1972 220 278+kmi



Re: [MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences

2006-06-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
The turbos are interchangable from the older engines to the newer ones. 
 As far as I can tell, they are identical.


John Ervine wrote:


Luther Gulseth wrote:

617.950 is listed at 115HP and the .951/2 are 123/125HP.  If 
stroke/displacement are the same, what did they change that increased the 
HP?  Are the shortblocks identical?  TIA all.



In addition to what has already been mentioned, the w116 300SDs used the earlier 
AirResearch turbo units.  I believe AirResearch was later purchased by Garrett, 
but don't know that for fact.




--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net



Re: [MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences

2006-06-08 Thread Steve MacSween
Another $0.02, would be that the w116s (exception: some 1980s that
apparently delivered with w126 motor setups, or maybe it was only CA-spec
cars) have different plumbing for the vacuum pump. IIRC we had some fun with
this on my w126-w116 swap, in addition to what Berryman mentioned.

Also the oil cooler lines are different.

Mac

on 6/8/06 11:55 AM, John Ervine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Luther Gulseth wrote:
 
 617.950 is listed at 115HP and the .951/2 are 123/125HP.  If
 stroke/displacement are the same, what did they change that increased the
 HP?  Are the shortblocks identical?  TIA all.
 
 In addition to what has already been mentioned, the w116 300SDs used the
 earlier 
 AirResearch turbo units.  I believe AirResearch was later purchased by
 Garrett, 
 but don't know that for fact.




Re: [MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences

2006-06-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Here are the differences, which I mentioned before, linkage, oil pan, ac 
stuff, glow plug system, wiring, vacuum pump etc, motor mount arms, 
exhaust hookup might be different, not sure.  Then the hp is lower. 
Thats all I can think of at the moment.  Tranny is different of course. 
 Oil cooler lines are different, tranny lines are probably different. 
It will work you will just have to swap everything over from the old motor.


Steve MacSween wrote:


Another $0.02, would be that the w116s (exception: some 1980s that
apparently delivered with w126 motor setups, or maybe it was only CA-spec
cars) have different plumbing for the vacuum pump. IIRC we had some fun with
this on my w126-w116 swap, in addition to what Berryman mentioned.

Also the oil cooler lines are different.

Mac

on 6/8/06 11:55 AM, John Ervine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Luther Gulseth wrote:


617.950 is listed at 115HP and the .951/2 are 123/125HP.  If
stroke/displacement are the same, what did they change that increased the
HP?  Are the shortblocks identical?  TIA all.


In addition to what has already been mentioned, the w116 300SDs used the
earlier 
AirResearch turbo units.  I believe AirResearch was later purchased by
Garrett, 
but don't know that for fact.




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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net



Re: [MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences

2006-06-08 Thread thargrav
I agree - both turbos spin up until the wastegate is open.

Could be cam, IP or compression ratio changes.

Tom Hargrave

Quoting Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 The turbos are interchangable from the older engines to the newer ones.
 
   As far as I can tell, they are identical.
 
 John Ervine wrote:
 
  Luther Gulseth wrote:
  
 617.950 is listed at 115HP and the .951/2 are 123/125HP.  If 
 stroke/displacement are the same, what did they change that increased
 the 
 HP?  Are the shortblocks identical?  TIA all.
  
  
  In addition to what has already been mentioned, the w116 300SDs used
 the earlier 
  AirResearch turbo units.  I believe AirResearch was later purchased by
 Garrett, 
  but don't know that for fact.
  
 
 -- 
 Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
   91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
   85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
   76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
 http://www.striplin.net
 
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Re: [MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences

2006-06-08 Thread Luther Gulseth


Ok, the cam, oil pan, turbo, obvious mountings onto the engine are 
different.  Can accessories from the .951/2 mount up to the .950?



John Ervine [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 Luther Gulseth wrote:
  
  617.950 is listed at 115HP and the .951/2 are 123/125HP.  If 
  stroke/displacement are the same, what did they change that increased the 
  HP?  Are the shortblocks identical?  TIA all.
 
 In addition to what has already been mentioned, the w116 300SDs used the 
earlier 
 AirResearch turbo units.  I believe AirResearch was later purchased by 
Garrett, 
 but don't know that for fact.
 
 -- 
 John L. Ervine
 1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi
 1980 300TD 180+kmi
 1980 300SD 277+kmi
 1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
 1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi
 1972 220 278+kmi
 



-- 
Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (160kmi)
'82 300D  (74kmi needs block or engine)





Re: [MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences

2006-06-08 Thread Luther Gulseth


Ok, so if the displacement is the same, what caused the 10HP increase 
from .950 to .951/2?

Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 Here are the differences, which I mentioned before, linkage, oil pan, ac 
 stuff, glow plug system, wiring, vacuum pump etc, motor mount arms, 
 exhaust hookup might be different, not sure.  Then the hp is lower. 
 Thats all I can think of at the moment.  Tranny is different of course. 
   Oil cooler lines are different, tranny lines are probably different. 
 It will work you will just have to swap everything over from the old motor.
 



-- 
Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (160kmi)
'82 300D  (74kmi needs block or engine)





Re: [MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences

2006-06-08 Thread Chuck Landenberger

FWIW

My 1980 300SD (MY '80, Build date 10/79) has a Garrett Turbo  
(original equip) still running strong.


Chuck
Phoenix AZ
On Jun 8, 2006, at 8:55 AM, John Ervine wrote:


Luther Gulseth wrote:


617.950 is listed at 115HP and the .951/2 are 123/125HP.  If
stroke/displacement are the same, what did they change that  
increased the

HP?  Are the shortblocks identical?  TIA all.


In addition to what has already been mentioned, the w116 300SDs  
used the earlier
AirResearch turbo units.  I believe AirResearch was later purchased  
by Garrett,

but don't know that for fact.

--
John L. Ervine
1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi
1980 300TD 180+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi
1972 220 278+kmi

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Re: [MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences

2006-06-08 Thread Steve MacSween
I had read previously this was not the case, but yes a friend of mine just
put a w116 turbo onto his w126 and it was a complete walk in the park.

Mac

on 6/8/06 12:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The turbos are interchangable from the older engines to the newer ones.
 As far as I can tell, they are identical.
 
 John Ervine wrote:
 
 Luther Gulseth wrote:
 
 617.950 is listed at 115HP and the .951/2 are 123/125HP.  If
 stroke/displacement are the same, what did they change that increased the
 HP?  Are the shortblocks identical?  TIA all.
 
 
 In addition to what has already been mentioned, the w116 300SDs used the
 earlier 
 AirResearch turbo units.  I believe AirResearch was later purchased by
 Garrett, 
 but don't know that for fact.
 




[MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update

2006-06-08 Thread Luther Gulseth


Ok, so I've sealed the baffle on the valve cover, swapped the air cleaner 
housing from the '82 300D into the CD, and changed the oil cooler lines.  
It's still burning oil and smoking but not leaking more than 2-3 small drops 
on my parking spot.  The turbo intake is dry and free of oil now.  
I ran it the other day(2500-3000rpm/5 minutes) with the breather tube 
(flat/upgraded version) in a plastic bottle and there was only 2 drops of oil 
in the bottle when I was done.  I also put my hand over the breather hole and 
held it there for more than 20 seconds with out it dying.  
Any other ideas where my oil might be going?  TIA all.

-- 
Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (160kmi)
'82 300D  (74kmi needs block or engine)





Re: [MBZ] A possibly entertaining story, addition.

2006-06-08 Thread Bob Rentfro
That's right...I use evap in the house up to the point the humidity is 
hanging out around 30% or so...or the dew point approaches 50 degrees. I was 
getting a 40 degre delta temp the other day (116 outside, 76 inside) until 
the moisture blew in right ahead of the dust storm.


Bob Rentfro


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From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] A possibly entertaining story, addition.



No, basically its sort of like an AC, sort of.  They have different
sizes of them ranging from little table top ones to bigger ones that sit
outside the window with the air vent sticking in the windows blowing in.
 You basically fill the pan up with water and it pumps the water up to
the top and trickles down a fiberous material thru which a fan blows air
with is cooled by the flowing water.  They can actually work pretty
well.  You have to refill it with water every so often.

Steve MacSween wrote:


Okay, now you have me interested but confused.

Is this a dehumidifier you're talking about?

Mac

on 6/8/06 10:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Didnt know people still used those things.  We called them water coolers
here. I remember when I was a kit many folks used to use those things
before they had AC, in fact, we used to use one as well.

Desert Rat wrote:



What I appreciate the most about dry heat is the fact that all I need
to cool our place is an evaporator cooler for pennies a day instead of
$ per hour if I had to use the A.C. Other day it was 114 and never had
to use AC. Now, when we get the monsoons in August and humidity goes
over 40%, the cooler doesn't work.
On 6/7/06, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences

2006-06-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

Cam, ip is setup a little different, probably emissions maybe.

Luther Gulseth wrote:


Ok, so if the displacement is the same, what caused the 10HP increase 
from .950 to .951/2?


Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:


Here are the differences, which I mentioned before, linkage, oil pan, ac 
stuff, glow plug system, wiring, vacuum pump etc, motor mount arms, 
exhaust hookup might be different, not sure.  Then the hp is lower. 
Thats all I can think of at the moment.  Tranny is different of course. 
 Oil cooler lines are different, tranny lines are probably different. 
It will work you will just have to swap everything over from the old motor.









--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net



Re: [MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences

2006-06-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
The part numbers are the same, I have pulled many off 116 engines and 
put them on 123/126 versions.  In fact, I once replaced a KKK version in 
a 84 300SD with a garrett from a 116 for a customer, then turned around 
and sold their bad one on ebay for $80.  It was insane.


Steve MacSween wrote:


I had read previously this was not the case, but yes a friend of mine just
put a w116 turbo onto his w126 and it was a complete walk in the park.

Mac

on 6/8/06 12:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



The turbos are interchangable from the older engines to the newer ones.
As far as I can tell, they are identical.

John Ervine wrote:



Luther Gulseth wrote:



617.950 is listed at 115HP and the .951/2 are 123/125HP.  If
stroke/displacement are the same, what did they change that increased the
HP?  Are the shortblocks identical?  TIA all.



In addition to what has already been mentioned, the w116 300SDs used the
earlier 
AirResearch turbo units.  I believe AirResearch was later purchased by
Garrett, 
but don't know that for fact.






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Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update

2006-06-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
its burning it somewhere, if it was the turbo blowing oil out your whole 
back end would be covered with oil.


Luther Gulseth wrote:



Ok, so I've sealed the baffle on the valve cover, swapped the air cleaner 
housing from the '82 300D into the CD, and changed the oil cooler lines.  
It's still burning oil and smoking but not leaking more than 2-3 small drops 
on my parking spot.  The turbo intake is dry and free of oil now.  
I ran it the other day(2500-3000rpm/5 minutes) with the breather tube 
(flat/upgraded version) in a plastic bottle and there was only 2 drops of oil 
in the bottle when I was done.  I also put my hand over the breather hole and 
held it there for more than 20 seconds with out it dying.  
Any other ideas where my oil might be going?  TIA all.




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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update

2006-06-08 Thread Levi Smith

Woah, almost said something that would only be appropriate on the Banned
list...

On 6/8/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


your whole back end would be covered with oil.




Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update

2006-06-08 Thread Trampas
Your turbo could still be leaking into the intake, bad oil rings, or bad
valve guide seals. Also check and make sure air cleaner has not got dead cat
in it. Clogged air intake system could cause excessive oil consumption. 

Trampas

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:10 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update

its burning it somewhere, if it was the turbo blowing oil out your whole 
back end would be covered with oil.

Luther Gulseth wrote:

 
 Ok, so I've sealed the baffle on the valve cover, swapped the air cleaner 
 housing from the '82 300D into the CD, and changed the oil cooler lines.  
 It's still burning oil and smoking but not leaking more than 2-3 small
drops 
 on my parking spot.  The turbo intake is dry and free of oil now.  
 I ran it the other day(2500-3000rpm/5 minutes) with the breather tube 
 (flat/upgraded version) in a plastic bottle and there was only 2 drops of
oil 
 in the bottle when I was done.  I also put my hand over the breather hole
and 
 held it there for more than 20 seconds with out it dying.  
 Any other ideas where my oil might be going?  TIA all.
 

-- 
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  91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
  85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
  76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Firewood

2006-06-08 Thread David Brodbeck

Mitch Haley wrote:

Jim Cathey wrote:
  

 Turns out that there is no used hydraulic cylinder market, people either fix
'em forever or throw away the unrepairable ones and replace them.



I've seen old useable ones at farm auctions here in Michigan, but I haven't been
to one in recent years.
  


I thought I saw some at Boeing Surplus the other day, but I wouldn't 
swear by it.





Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update

2006-06-08 Thread Jim Cathey

I also put my hand over the breather hole and
held it there for more than 20 seconds with out it dying.


Seems to me that a 617 MUST die eventually when doing this,
or there is some other vapor leak from the crankcase.  (Maybe
the oil separator drain pipe?)

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences

2006-06-08 Thread Marshall Booth

Luther Gulseth wrote:


617.950 is listed at 115HP and the .951/2 are 123/125HP.  If 
stroke/displacement are the same, what did they change that increased the 
HP?  Are the shortblocks identical?  TIA all.




Depends on who's measuring them and whether it's a DIN or SAE 
measurement. Mercedes isn't even always consistent in the figures THEY 
publish. I don't think that all of the block castings were identical, 
but I don't believe that's the most relevant difference. I'm pretty sure 
there were cam differences, but there may have been other small 
differences as well and they may not all be associated with the chassis 
model changes, but may have slowly come about over the course of 
production. The 950, 951 and 952 designations specifically relate to 
engines that were assembled to be installed in 116, 126 and 123 chassis 
cars respectively, but all 952 engines (or 950, or 951 for that matter) 
were NOT identical (although all engines with one model designation 
could usually be interchanged without much trouble)!


Lot's of people felt that the 617.950 engine in a 116 was faster than 
the 617.951 engine in a 126. Emissions requirements WERE different!


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] OM 603 no start

2006-06-08 Thread David Brodbeck

Loren Faeth wrote:
It had not run since bambi put a hole in the radiator in Nov.  It started 
and ran fine after the new radiator and condenser were installed.  After 
they finished charging the AC is when they noticed it didn't want to run 
more than 1000 rpm, then it got worse until it will now only start and run 
a couple of seconds, then starves for fuel.
  


Have you checked to make sure there's not something blocking the air 
cleaner?  A big blockage there can act a lot like massive fuel 
starvation on a diesel.  BTDT.  It might sound far-fetched, but you 
never know.  My dad had a swarm of bees move into the air cleaner of his 
Fairmont, once.


rant  The DNR says they are trying to grow the population of deer up to 
15 per square mile.


They're probably under pressure from hunters who want easy pickings.  In 
Michigan hunting is a big tourism draw and the DNR is always under 
pressure to keep the herd large.


I bet there weren't 15 per square mile back when there were still wolves 
around.




Re: [MBZ] OT: Grand Cherokee for Toyota Compact pick-up swap

2006-06-08 Thread Dave Wakin

Johnny,

Here is one not to far away from you - needs some work and not 4x4 though.

Dave W

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1995-Toyota-Tacoma-Passenger-side-Damage-2WD_W0QQitemZ4646255678QQihZ002QQcategoryZ6439QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


In light of the fact that I will be building soon, I am looking to
swap a 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo for a Toyota 4x4 compact pick-





Re: [MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences

2006-06-08 Thread Marshall Booth

John Ervine wrote:

Luther Gulseth wrote:
617.950 is listed at 115HP and the .951/2 are 123/125HP.  If 
stroke/displacement are the same, what did they change that increased the 
HP?  Are the shortblocks identical?  TIA all.


In addition to what has already been mentioned, the w116 300SDs used the earlier 
AirResearch turbo units.  I believe AirResearch was later purchased by Garrett, 
but don't know that for fact.




The different turbos had NO effect on power. All were able to deliver 
about double the boost required and power was limited by thermal 
considerations - NOT by turbo limitations!


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Firewood

2006-06-08 Thread Jim Cathey
Turns out that there is no used hydraulic cylinder market, people 
either

fix 'em forever or throw away the unrepairable ones and replace them.


I thought I saw some at Boeing Surplus the other day, but I wouldn't
swear by it.


I overstated the case, but I was contacting local hydraulic cylinder
repair places, as avoiding shipping of heavy objects would be part
of the money-saving equation.  I'd need something in the 4-5 inch
by 24-36 inch range, double-acting, in order to remain reasonable.
(Weight, size, and operating speed that is.)

I can buy new for something in the $180-225 range, plus tax and
shipping as appropriate.  Not horrible, of course, but it all
does add up.  And I'd still need to figure out how to tap into
the Mog crane's hydraulic system cleanly.

-- Jim




[MBZ] 126 Wheels and no digest

2006-06-08 Thread Donald Snook
If anyone responded to my email question about 126 wheels, I didn't get
it.  My digests skipped from Vol. 7 Issue 34 and then the next one I got
was Vol. 7 issue 39. 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 127K 



Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update

2006-06-08 Thread Luther Gulseth


So the turbo wouldn't blow oil into the intake?

Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 its burning it somewhere, if it was the turbo blowing oil out your whole 
 back end would be covered with oil.
 



-- 
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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (160kmi)
'82 300D  (74kmi needs block or engine)





Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update

2006-06-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

didnt you say there was no oil in the intake?

Luther Gulseth wrote:



So the turbo wouldn't blow oil into the intake?

Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:


its burning it somewhere, if it was the turbo blowing oil out your whole 
back end would be covered with oil.









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 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net



Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update

2006-06-08 Thread Luther Gulseth


Compression readings were 1-300, 2-300, 3-380, 4-345, 5-360 before I swapped 
the carboned up injectors out.  I tried to check last weekend, but my 
compression tester lost an o-ring and won't seal and I'm waiting on the 
part.  I'm fairly certain that the air intake is free and open.
Don't bad valve guide seals show lots of extra blue smoke on a cold start?  
Mine hardly smokes until higher RPM'si.e. 2500.

Luther

Trampas [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 Your turbo could still be leaking into the intake, bad oil rings, or bad
 valve guide seals. Also check and make sure air cleaner has not got dead cat
 in it. Clogged air intake system could cause excessive oil consumption. 
 
 Trampas
 



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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (160kmi)
'82 300D  (74kmi needs block or engine)





Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update

2006-06-08 Thread Luther Gulseth


What should happen when I plug the breather?

Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

  I also put my hand over the breather hole and
  held it there for more than 20 seconds with out it dying.
 
 Seems to me that a 617 MUST die eventually when doing this,
 or there is some other vapor leak from the crankcase.  (Maybe
 the oil separator drain pipe?)
 
 -- Jim



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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (160kmi)
'82 300D  (74kmi needs block or engine)



Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update

2006-06-08 Thread Luther Gulseth


intake from the air cleaner to the turbo, yes.  Actual intake from the turbo 
to the head, I haven't opened that up.  Should I check there?

Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 didnt you say there was no oil in the intake?
 
 Luther Gulseth wrote:
 
  
  So the turbo wouldn't blow oil into the intake?
  
  Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
  
  
 its burning it somewhere, if it was the turbo blowing oil out your whole 
 back end would be covered with oil.
 
  
  
  
  
 



-- 
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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (160kmi)
'82 300D  (74kmi needs block or engine)





Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update

2006-06-08 Thread Trampas
Sounds like bad turbo seal, blowing oil in intake. Note that intake may look
clean as the oil will wash it clean and oil will to stick to inside for long
before it consumed. 

Trampas

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 2:23 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update



Compression readings were 1-300, 2-300, 3-380, 4-345, 5-360 before I swapped

the carboned up injectors out.  I tried to check last weekend, but my 
compression tester lost an o-ring and won't seal and I'm waiting on the 
part.  I'm fairly certain that the air intake is free and open.
Don't bad valve guide seals show lots of extra blue smoke on a cold start?  
Mine hardly smokes until higher RPM'si.e. 2500.

Luther

Trampas [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 Your turbo could still be leaking into the intake, bad oil rings, or bad
 valve guide seals. Also check and make sure air cleaner has not got dead
cat
 in it. Clogged air intake system could cause excessive oil consumption. 
 
 Trampas
 



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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (160kmi)
'82 300D  (74kmi needs block or engine)



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Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update

2006-06-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

probably, if you suspect it I would pull the turbo and see.

Luther Gulseth wrote:



intake from the air cleaner to the turbo, yes.  Actual intake from the turbo 
to the head, I haven't opened that up.  Should I check there?


Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:



didnt you say there was no oil in the intake?

Luther Gulseth wrote:



So the turbo wouldn't blow oil into the intake?

Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:



its burning it somewhere, if it was the turbo blowing oil out your whole 
back end would be covered with oil.













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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update

2006-06-08 Thread Trampas
Well if you think about it, the turbo sucks air from air cleaner and blows
it into the intake. Thus if it leaked oil it would be blown into intake, not
air cleaner. 

I would bet money the turbo seal is bad. I know that Kaleb will sell you a
bad one for $80, I bet the good ones might be cheaper.. hahahaha

Trampas

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On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 2:27 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update



intake from the air cleaner to the turbo, yes.  Actual intake from the turbo

to the head, I haven't opened that up.  Should I check there?

Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 didnt you say there was no oil in the intake?
 
 Luther Gulseth wrote:
 
  
  So the turbo wouldn't blow oil into the intake?
  
  Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
  
  
 its burning it somewhere, if it was the turbo blowing oil out your whole

 back end would be covered with oil.
 
  
  
  
  
 



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Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update

2006-06-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

they usually sell for around 150 or so for good ones.

Trampas wrote:


Well if you think about it, the turbo sucks air from air cleaner and blows
it into the intake. Thus if it leaked oil it would be blown into intake, not
air cleaner. 


I would bet money the turbo seal is bad. I know that Kaleb will sell you a
bad one for $80, I bet the good ones might be cheaper.. hahahaha

Trampas

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On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 2:27 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update



intake from the air cleaner to the turbo, yes.  Actual intake from the turbo

to the head, I haven't opened that up.  Should I check there?

Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:



didnt you say there was no oil in the intake?

Luther Gulseth wrote:



So the turbo wouldn't blow oil into the intake?

Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:




its burning it somewhere, if it was the turbo blowing oil out your whole




back end would be covered with oil.












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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Nearly dead 87 300D battery/neat start

2006-06-08 Thread Curt Raymond
WHAT?
  I don't think generators came on as standard equipment until the styled 
tractors in '39 and you could still order a magneto ignition (starter delete) 
until the Supers came out in '52.
  This was an F12, '35 IIRC, my great uncle used it to mow around the house 
with a 5' bellymower.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:41:56 -0700
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   I had an old Farmall tractor that I always have to remember to park 
 in gear, you could turn it over so easy the wind on the fan blades 
 would crank it and it'd be sitting there idling when I came home.

Never heard of a Farmall with a magneto before!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update

2006-06-08 Thread Marshall Booth

Luther Gulseth wrote:


Compression readings were 1-300, 2-300, 3-380, 4-345, 5-360 before I swapped 
the carboned up injectors out.  I tried to check last weekend, but my 
compression tester lost an o-ring and won't seal and I'm waiting on the 
part.  I'm fairly certain that the air intake is free and open.
Don't bad valve guide seals show lots of extra blue smoke on a cold start?  
Mine hardly smokes until higher RPM'si.e. 2500.


If the timer (the centrifugal injection advance device that's driven by 
the chain and that the injection pump is coupled to) isn't advancing as 
it should, you could have the effect you are seeing. What's fuel 
consumption and 0-60 acceleration times like?


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Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update

2006-06-08 Thread Marshall Booth

Luther Gulseth wrote:


What should happen when I plug the breather?


The engine should stop in 5-15 seconds- UNLESS there's a leak and 
pressure in the sump and valve cover area can escape. That pressurizes 
the shutoff diaphragm on the other side from where vacuum is applied to 
shut it off. That shuts off the engine.


The pressure buildup puts pressure on the fuel shutoff valve on the 
injection pump via the oiling system to/from the injection pump.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update

2006-06-08 Thread Jim Cathey

What should happen when I plug the breather?


The engine should labor and die as crankcase pressure
builds up.  Due to the particular construction of the 617,
the shutoff diaphragm gets pushed on just as if you put a
vacuum on its other side.  (All pressure is relative.)

It is used as a poor-man's blowby test, and was shown me
by the dealership service manager (though I'd heard of it
before that).  If it dies quickly the engine is in poor
shape, though the converse is not true.  The crankcase
ventilation system has to be intact, you see.  If it's
leaky elsewhere the pressure can't build up, and it can
masquerade as an unworn engine.  Also, high blowby need
not be a permanent condition, if it's due to carbon build-up.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update

2006-06-08 Thread Luther Gulseth


Fuel economy is better than 25 and most of the time 27-29 running on pure 
diesel.  I haven't timed 0-60, but it will easily out run my SD or my parents 
300D.  

Luther

Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 Luther Gulseth wrote:
  
  Compression readings were 1-300, 2-300, 3-380, 4-345, 5-360 before I 
swapped 
  the carboned up injectors out.  I tried to check last weekend, but my 
  compression tester lost an o-ring and won't seal and I'm waiting on the 
  part.  I'm fairly certain that the air intake is free and open.
  Don't bad valve guide seals show lots of extra blue smoke on a cold 
start?  
  Mine hardly smokes until higher RPM'si.e. 2500.
 
 If the timer (the centrifugal injection advance device that's driven by 
 the chain and that the injection pump is coupled to) isn't advancing as 
 it should, you could have the effect you are seeing. What's fuel 
 consumption and 0-60 acceleration times like?
 
 Marshall
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'83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (160kmi)
'82 300D  (74kmi needs block or engine)





Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update

2006-06-08 Thread Luther Gulseth


What's the best way to track down a leak like this?


Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 Luther Gulseth wrote:
  
  What should happen when I plug the breather?
 
 The engine should stop in 5-15 seconds- UNLESS there's a leak and 
 pressure in the sump and valve cover area can escape. That pressurizes 
 the shutoff diaphragm on the other side from where vacuum is applied to 
 shut it off. That shuts off the engine.
 
 The pressure buildup puts pressure on the fuel shutoff valve on the 
 injection pump via the oiling system to/from the injection pump.
 
 Marshall
 -- 
 Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions)
der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 
 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
 



-- 
Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (160kmi)
'82 300D  (74kmi needs block or engine)





Re: [MBZ] Was '72 350SL, Now: We're Good Guys

2006-06-08 Thread mykd1
Oh we're still a little looney here, we're just smart enough to keep it under 
control  :)
 
Harry
69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
72 350SL   108,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata   
 
 
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From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:42:12 -0700
Subject: [MBZ] Was '72 350SL, Now: We're Good Guys


I felt badly last night thinking about how that poor old guy could barely stand 
up outdoors, willing to fill me in on his car as I looked. So...today I called 
him to give him my name and number telling him that when he feels up to it give 
me a call so I can give it a good once over and drive it. He said that would be 
great. He then went into a little spiel about how considerate that was of me 
and 
about how people who own older Mercedes are generally very nice and considerate 
that way. He then mentioned how he was glad some one who knew whar he was 
getting and would take good care of it was fixin' to buy his car. What a nice 
feller.

I felt glad/proud for all of us. It appears we're not as looney as our spouses 
sometimes think.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 154K
'01 VW Beetle TDI 66K
working on getting 72 350SL 78K (woo hoo)
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Re: [MBZ] wheels for 126

2006-06-08 Thread Steve MacSween
on 6/7/06 5:45 PM, Donald Snook at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Does anyone know of place to get either of these wheels
 for my 126 (besides Tire Rack).  I would like to find used Mercedes
 wheels for a reasonable price, rather than buying the aftermarket
 wheels.  

Try Ongager Corporation 619-421-3254 -- the owner there is Bob Gunthorp, and
he's in Chula Vista, Ca. They are enthusiasts and very easy to deal with. I
can't come up with their URL but Bob is or was [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Silver Star Recycling (Rancho Cordova, CA) runs auctions on eBay for
w123/w116/w126 used chrome rims, from time to time, but it's a crap shoot on
what you get for what price, from what I've seen. They are also notoriously
slow shipping stuff, I waited two months for a mirror and at the time their
feedback indicated this was not uncommon. Kaleb or someone else here had a
major problem with them as well, IIRC.

Mac




Re: [MBZ] 126 Wheels and no digest

2006-06-08 Thread Steve MacSween
I replied to you, Donald. I've resent my reply, separately.

Mac

on 6/8/06 1:56 PM, Donald Snook at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If anyone responded to my email question about 126 wheels, I didn't get
 it.  My digests skipped from Vol. 7 Issue 34 and then the next one I got
 was Vol. 7 issue 39.
 
 
 
 Donald H. Snook
 
 1990 300SEL 127K 
 
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Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update

2006-06-08 Thread Trampas
Swap turbo with spare car, if problem goes away then it is turbo. 

Trampas

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On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:09 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update



What's the best way to track down a leak like this?


Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 Luther Gulseth wrote:
  
  What should happen when I plug the breather?
 
 The engine should stop in 5-15 seconds- UNLESS there's a leak and 
 pressure in the sump and valve cover area can escape. That pressurizes 
 the shutoff diaphragm on the other side from where vacuum is applied to 
 shut it off. That shuts off the engine.
 
 The pressure buildup puts pressure on the fuel shutoff valve on the 
 injection pump via the oiling system to/from the injection pump.
 
 Marshall
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 '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 
 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
 



-- 
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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (160kmi)
'82 300D  (74kmi needs block or engine)



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Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update

2006-06-08 Thread Luther Gulseth


I was talking about the breather/valve cover pressure.

Trampas [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 Swap turbo with spare car, if problem goes away then it is turbo. 
 
 Trampas
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth
 Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:09 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
 
 
 
 What's the best way to track down a leak like this?
 
 
 Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 
  Luther Gulseth wrote:
   
   What should happen when I plug the breather?
  
  The engine should stop in 5-15 seconds- UNLESS there's a leak and 
  pressure in the sump and valve cover area can escape. That pressurizes 
  the shutoff diaphragm on the other side from where vacuum is applied to 
  shut it off. That shuts off the engine.
  
  The pressure buildup puts pressure on the fuel shutoff valve on the 
  injection pump via the oiling system to/from the injection pump.
  
  Marshall
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'83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (160kmi)
'82 300D  (74kmi needs block or engine)





Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update

2006-06-08 Thread Marshall Booth

Luther Gulseth wrote:


Fuel economy is better than 25 and most of the time 27-29 running on pure 
diesel.  I haven't timed 0-60, but it will easily out run my SD or my parents 
300D.  


Unlikely to be the timer then. This may actually be one of those times 
when it really IS the turbo oil seals (that's rare, but it does happen).


Only way you're going to tell for sure is to replace the turbo.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Was '72 350SL, Now: We're Good Guys

2006-06-08 Thread Rich Thomas

I am.

--R

Bob Rentfro wrote:


It appears we're not as looney as our spouses sometimes think.


 






Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update

2006-06-08 Thread Marshall Booth

Luther Gulseth wrote:


What's the best way to track down a leak like this?



Since I never use blocking the vent to test the engine, I never discover 
such leaks - and if I don't know about them, the engine runs fine and is 
not consuming oil or fuel at an alarming rate, I'm sure not going to 
spend any time looking for them.


Most leaks of that sort push oil vapor out thru them and the engine gets 
dirty there (like around the breather line or the oil fill cap). That I 
notice and MAY do something about - especially if I'm using LOTS of oil.


Start by cleaning the engine. Then look for new oil deposits over the 
next few days.


Marshall
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[MBZ] Electrical problems

2006-06-08 Thread Roger Conlon


Hello,
I have a 87 300SDL, I'm wondering what might cause the number 5 fuse to blow 
when I

put the car in reverse, it only blows then,
I can start the car in neutral and select drive and its ok.

I can tell this because the A/C- blower stays running.

The fuse designation chart lists fuse #5, as a 8 amp white fuse
that controls the following
back-up lamp, heating water valves, water pump, climate control syst, relay 
aux fan term. 86,

aut. transmission electrics, blower motor inside temp sensor,
air condition compressor, electromagn. clutch/valve air injection.


I also have another problem that my blinkers and flasher do not function
this is control by the #2 8 amp fuse which is good because my clock 
functions.

It controls

diagnostic term. 6
hazard warning system, clock
front roof light electronic radio,
vanity mirror light,
electr. illum. control

It did blow the fuse in the back of my Becker radio.

Any help info would be great.

Thanks
Roger

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Re: [MBZ] Electrical problems

2006-06-08 Thread Jim Cathey
I have a 87 300SDL, I'm wondering what might cause the number 5 fuse 
to blow when I put the car in reverse, it only blows then,

I can start the car in neutral and select drive and its ok.


Shorted backup light bulb.
Bad neutral safety switch (on tranny).

I also have another problem that my blinkers and flasher do not 
function
this is control by the #2 8 amp fuse which is good because my clock 
functions.


Cycle the hazard switch a whole bunch of times.  They get dirty,
this takes out one or both functions.  Disassembly and cleaning
is common here.  If bad enough, replacement is required.

-- Jim




[MBZ] 300CD 1982 Want Ad

2006-06-08 Thread Frederick Moir
Hi,All.
  (Mass) Want Ad reads:- 1982 MERCEDES 300CD. Reliable transportation.
  $1500. Sterling. cell 978-821-3242.
  I'm going to be in the vicinity tomorrow afternoon if anyone is interested. 
  No affiliiation etc.
  Fred Moir
  Lynn MA
   

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