Re: [MBZ] OT:You Can Find "IT" on eBay

[Mitch Haley]

Jeff Zedic wrote:
> 
> That's a 20 litre tank!! Must not have a tv..
> 
I see it's listed in Livestock. I would imagine that a bull or stallion
emits quite a bit, and it looks like the tank holds 6 separate canisters.

Re: [MBZ] OT:You Can Find "IT" on eBay

[Jeff Zedic]

That's a 20 litre tank!! Must not have a tv..


Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD

Re: [MBZ] 123 A/C info

[Joe Knight]

Those files are mainly for manual a/c, Casey.  I've scanned the wiring
diagram from my paper manual for acc2, stripped from list copy, which
I think might provide much of what you need.  83.8-603/15.  Those
things aren't really legible in the cd version anyway.

joe
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Re: [MBZ] 1972 250/8 on ebay item # 180004026029

[R A Bennell]

Looks a lot like my 76 300D except for things like pre 5mph bumpers, vent 
windows and a different steering wheel. I
wish I had more time, money and parking spots. That is one I would bid on. I 
will bet that the 6 cylinder gas
engine is faily peppy even though it is a rather small displacement by then 
current standards. How is fuel economy
on such an engine?

Randy B

Re: [MBZ] Collective Oil Wisdom, Pls...

[LarryT]

BTW, I stopped in at PepBoys today - they had 3 cases of 15W50 below the M1 
display and another 12-15 bottles on the display itself - I bought 1 case 
for future use at $42 and change --slightly more than Advance Auto by .10 or 
.20 /bottle IIRC.


The clerk said they try to keep 3-4 cases of each weight -
Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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Craig,
I think I was wrong - I should have said Advanceauto -- at
www.advanceautoparts.com
this is the results of seaching "chemicals & fluids"  -
http://www.partsamerica.com/CategoryTree.aspx?catid=2046
also - these results are store specific - perhaps the stores near you are
out of 15W50?
Anyway - tape a look at the page above - the synthetics are at the bottom 
of

the page.
BTW, the results above are for a store near me -
HTH's

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/
.
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On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 20:13:00 -0400 "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I'd prefer the Mobil 1 - if there's an AutoZone in your area give them a
call - their stores seem to carry it more than the others - I bought 7
qts this morning and there was plenty more - their website csan be
helpful locating a store with the inventory you need.



I went to AutoZone.com, clicked on "Shopping", and then entered "engine
oil". The choices I got were:

Home > Shopping > Engine Oil
Accessories: Mobil 1
 0W40
10W30
10W40
2 Cycle
20W50
 5W30


I even told it I had a  2005 CHEVROLET TRUCK SILVERADO 3500 4WD
8 Cylinders 403 2 6.6L TURBO DIESEL, and got the same results.


So how do I get it to tell me where 15W50 is?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT:You Can Find "IT" on eBay

[Woodlandtaylors]

Rick,

Planning on filling it up? 

Dennis T

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Whilst browsing for a WVO tank on eBay, I came across this
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[MBZ] OT:You Can Find "IT" on eBay

[Rick Knoble]

Whilst browsing for a WVO tank on eBay, I came across this
http://cgi.ebay.com/Semen-storage-tank_W0QQitemZ270003343368QQihZ017QQcategoryZ53059QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Good lord, how much is 660 "units" of semen?!?!?  How many individual
"emissions" are in a "unit"?

On 7/4/06, Rick Knoble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] 107 Subframe Question

[Donald Snook]

Rich T: "What this means is that the lawyers all drove 450s, leaving the
more 

pedestrian (well, not pedestrian, since they have cars) owners of lesser


models to fend for themselves." 

 

You are probably right, you can't trust those "sunuvabitch" lawyers! :-)


 

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[MBZ] 1972 250/8 on ebay item # 180004026029

[Donald Snook]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SHARP-1972-MERCEDES-BENZ-250-8-4-DR-CLASS
IC_W0QQitemZ180004026029QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

This looks exactly like my first Mercedes (except the paint on mine was
perfect - the PO was as obsessive as I am).   I loved that car.  It over
470,000 miles when it died, the oil pump blew up on the highway, lost
oil pressure and the engine was turned into a hunk of useless metal.  By
that point, I had sold it to a friend of mine who drove it for three
years and sold it to another friend of ours.  I miss the old car.  This
is the car that made me love Mercedes. 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 128 

Re: [MBZ] 240D Radiator

[OK Don]

I bought a new one from Rusty for my 240D , '81, last fall. Don't
remember what the cost was, but it's on his web site.

On 7/4/06, John Berryman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Jul 4, 2006, at 8:29 AM, John Ingram wrote:

> List-
> I have my 83 240D running again with a "new" engine, one that
> apparently was a factory rebuild 150K miles ago.  My old radiator is
> now leaking through a spot somewhere in the core.  Can these
> radiators be fixed or should I just start pricing a new one?  What do
> they cost?
> Thanks.
> John Ingram

I just had one successfully repaired last weekfor free.


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[MBZ] Cheap eBay Benz

[Rick Knoble]

I am not sure what this is. 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967-Mercedes-250-Low-Reserve_W0QQitemZ130004122299QQihZ003QQcategoryZ6329QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

No affiliation, ect.
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1987 2.5 non turbo. Needs an engine at least. I was thinking about bidding, but 
it is too far for me to pull back. 

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Craig,
I think I was wrong - I should have said Advanceauto -- at
www.advanceautoparts.com
this is the results of seaching "chemicals & fluids"  -
http://www.partsamerica.com/CategoryTree.aspx?catid 46
also - these results are store specific - perhaps the stores near you are
out of 15W50?
Anyway - tape a look at the page above - the synthetics are at the bottom of
the page.
BTW, the results above are for a store near me -
HTH's

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
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Re: [MBZ] Towel has been thrown: time for the OM616 -> OM617 swap

[Mike Canfield]

Mac,
 There is a receipt in the pile that I gave you that reflects the tranny 
being replaced with a used one from a salvage yard.  IIRC it may even have 
been from a 300D.Maybe..Better take a look.


Mike
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I have to agree, it's the most firm and 'positive'-shifting Benz
transmission I've ever owned or even test-driven. I suspect it was rebuilt
by someone who knew their stuff, at some point (given that the car has 
over

320k miles I doubt it's original).

Mac

on 7/4/06 12:00 PM, Mike Canfield at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

That tranny has always been strong...If it will bolt up I would try 
it.


Mike
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rumor has it that Steve wrote:


2. Do I have ANY hope of successfully using the original 240d tranny
with the OM617, or am I just going to grenade it? It's absolutely
perfect in every way, right now. Right now no one has any decent used
transmissions around here, and I don't imagine our listmom is drooling
to ship any of his up here to Kanuckistan :-0


Well, in high-horsepower big trucks (700+ HP and 2500+ lb-ft) the
reliable word is "use the big horsepower only in the high gears"

In otherwords, even thought the transmission is not rated for that much
power, the danger is only when that torque is multiplied by the
transmission gear ratio.

So, I suspect the same is true for us. Thus if you plan on
foot-to-the-floor, 5000 RPM, max torque in 1st gear - you could have a
problem! But if you go easy in 1st and don't wail on it until 3rd, my
_guess_ is the transmission will be fine.

If not, I did suggest a thing!! *grin*

-- Philip, still without a turbo car with a manual transmission

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Re: [MBZ] 123 A/C info

[Levi Smith]

The compressor should run almost all the time that the engine is running if
the climate control is anywhere besides Off or Economy.  (assuming there's
at least SOME refrigerant in there).

Levi

On 7/4/06, Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hey, can someone with a 123 CD* post one or all of the following pdfs--I
have no idea how large these files are, so whichever contains the most
descriptive data for the A/C system in my '84 300D.

83-500
83-506
83-508
83-510

I'm operating double-blind here, since I barely know A/C and don't know
the
123 system at all.  The compressor clutch wiring was unplugged when I got
the car, but when I attach it, the compressor runs whenever the key is
switched on--irrespective of system charge level.

TIA

*Braingears doesn't host this data for some reason.

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Re: [MBZ] 107 Subframe Question

[Rich Thomas]

What this means is that the lawyers all drove 450s, leaving the more 
pedestrian (well, not pedestrian, since they have cars) owners of lesser 
models to fend for themselves.


--R

Mark E. Peneguy wrote:


Kaleb wrote:

 

because there was a class act action lawsuit, it only involved the 450 
models and owners at the time.
   



Believe me, there is nothing about a class action lawsuit that is a 
"class act!"  ;-)


Incidentally, I used to own a 1980 450SL and never heard anything about 
this matter.  Of course, since I owned it in the late 80s and early 90s, 
it could have been taken care of long before I got it.


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Re: [MBZ] Towel has been thrown: time for the OM616 -> OM617 swap

[Steve MacSween]

I have to agree, it's the most firm and 'positive'-shifting Benz
transmission I've ever owned or even test-driven. I suspect it was rebuilt
by someone who knew their stuff, at some point (given that the car has over
320k miles I doubt it's original).

Mac

on 7/4/06 12:00 PM, Mike Canfield at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> That tranny has always been strong...If it will bolt up I would try it.
> 
> Mike
> - Original Message -
> From: "Fmiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 3:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Towel has been thrown: time for the OM616 -> OM617 swap
> 
> 
>> rumor has it that Steve wrote:
>> 
>>> 2. Do I have ANY hope of successfully using the original 240d tranny
>>> with the OM617, or am I just going to grenade it? It's absolutely
>>> perfect in every way, right now. Right now no one has any decent used
>>> transmissions around here, and I don't imagine our listmom is drooling
>>> to ship any of his up here to Kanuckistan :-0
>> 
>> Well, in high-horsepower big trucks (700+ HP and 2500+ lb-ft) the
>> reliable word is "use the big horsepower only in the high gears"
>> 
>> In otherwords, even thought the transmission is not rated for that much
>> power, the danger is only when that torque is multiplied by the
>> transmission gear ratio.
>> 
>> So, I suspect the same is true for us. Thus if you plan on
>> foot-to-the-floor, 5000 RPM, max torque in 1st gear - you could have a
>> problem! But if you go easy in 1st and don't wail on it until 3rd, my
>> _guess_ is the transmission will be fine.
>> 
>> If not, I did suggest a thing!! *grin*
>> 
>> -- Philip, still without a turbo car with a manual transmission
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OM616 to OM617 - revisiting tranny question

[Steve MacSween]

on 7/3/06 7:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> The automatic can be  made
> to shift very hard by screwing in the acumulator, or disconnecting the  vacuum
> to it all together, like Chuck used to do.

I actually drive all my MBs with the vacuum line to the transmission
disconnected and plugged. I much prefer the firm shifts, but even with the
vacuum disconnected my w126 is too "Buick" for my tastes, on the way up.
It's pretty firm on the downshifts, tho.

Mac

Re: [MBZ] Towel has been thrown: time for the OM616 -> OM617 swap

[Mike Canfield]

I think the confusion comes from me trying to put the MB 5 cyl and 4 spd 
manual in my M37 at the same time..OOPS.


Mike
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on 7/3/06 5:55 PM, David Brodbeck at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Are we talking about a manual 240D trans, here?  I thought other people
had already done this kind of swap before without problems.


Hmmm, I must be having more *moments* than usual when I post.

It's an automatic. Sorry for the confusibus, all.

Mac


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Re: [MBZ] OM616 to OM617 - revisiting tranny question

[Mike Canfield]

HEHEHEHE.If it was a manny tranny Mac wouldn't have gotten it from me. 
It's an auto.


Mike
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Steve MacSween wrote:


on 6/29/06 1:36 PM, Steve MacSween at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Do I have ANY hope of successfully using the original 240d tranny with
> the OM617, or am I just going to grenade it?


This was a manny tranny, right? I haven't heard of problems with that.
http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=88699
If it's an auto, adjustments will have to be made to keep it from 
slipping,

and the shift points might still be off.

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Re: [MBZ] 123 A/C info

[Zeitgeist]

Hey, can someone with a 123 CD* post one or all of the following pdfs--I
have no idea how large these files are, so whichever contains the most
descriptive data for the A/C system in my '84 300D.

83-500
83-506
83-508
83-510

I'm operating double-blind here, since I barely know A/C and don't know the
123 system at all.  The compressor clutch wiring was unplugged when I got
the car, but when I attach it, the compressor runs whenever the key is
switched on--irrespective of system charge level.

TIA

*Braingears doesn't host this data for some reason.

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'84 300D (214k)
Gashuffer:
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Re: [MBZ] 107 Subframe Question

[Mark E. Peneguy]

Kaleb wrote:

because there was a class act action lawsuit, it only involved the 450 
models and owners at the time.


Believe me, there is nothing about a class action lawsuit that is a 
"class act!"  ;-)


Incidentally, I used to own a 1980 450SL and never heard anything about 
this matter.  Of course, since I owned it in the late 80s and early 90s, 
it could have been taken care of long before I got it.


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Re: [MBZ] Towel has been thrown: time for the OM616 -> OM617 swap

[Mike Canfield]

That tranny has always been strong...If it will bolt up I would try it.

Mike
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rumor has it that Steve wrote:


2. Do I have ANY hope of successfully using the original 240d tranny
with the OM617, or am I just going to grenade it? It's absolutely
perfect in every way, right now. Right now no one has any decent used
transmissions around here, and I don't imagine our listmom is drooling
to ship any of his up here to Kanuckistan :-0


Well, in high-horsepower big trucks (700+ HP and 2500+ lb-ft) the
reliable word is "use the big horsepower only in the high gears"

In otherwords, even thought the transmission is not rated for that much
power, the danger is only when that torque is multiplied by the
transmission gear ratio.

So, I suspect the same is true for us. Thus if you plan on
foot-to-the-floor, 5000 RPM, max torque in 1st gear - you could have a
problem! But if you go easy in 1st and don't wail on it until 3rd, my
_guess_ is the transmission will be fine.

If not, I did suggest a thing!! *grin*

-- Philip, still without a turbo car with a manual transmission

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Re: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil.

[Curt Raymond]

Makes sense, more or less what I was figuring.
  Must be a very small leak for now, we did 160 miles yesterday with no more 
oil that I could see or missing oil from the engine that I could detect.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 21:41:46 -0500
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Curt,

Your oil cooler has sprung a high pressure leak. The oil cooler is 
bolted to
the driver side of the radiator & that's why you see oil on the hood. 
You
need to replace the cooler before the hole opens up more. A good used 
one
makes a great replacement since they rarely fail. Maybe Kaleb has one 
laying
around at a reasonable price?

By the way, this had nothing to do with your Mobil-1.

Thanks,
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Since the bleed fittings are different sizes on brake and clutch 
slaves I have a length of clear hose, two small hose clamps and the 
appropriate size 1/4 socket (for the hose clamps), stashed in a zip 
lock.  The extra time needed to mess with those tiny clamps is 
compensated for by not having to crawl under there and reattach the 
hose, or getting a brake fluid shower.  Also taking off the wheel 
makes it easier.


Regards
 Steve
"85" Euro 240D, 5 spd manual, 110K
"79" 240D, 5 spd manual, 20K on eng rebuild
"94" Dodge/Cummins PU, 100K
"82" TD project wagon
"64" VW Bug
"65" D15, AC tractor


I was never able to get fluid flow through the tubing without a big flood
down the inside of the wheel, so I put together some adaptors to use my
pressure bleeder.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] 240D Radiator

[John Berryman]

On Jul 4, 2006, at 8:29 AM, John Ingram wrote:


List-
I have my 83 240D running again with a "new" engine, one that
apparently was a factory rebuild 150K miles ago.  My old radiator is
now leaking through a spot somewhere in the core.  Can these
radiators be fixed or should I just start pricing a new one?  What do
they cost?
Thanks.
John Ingram


I just had one successfully repaired last weekfor free.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] 240D Radiator

[Jim Cathey]

I have my 83 240D running again with a "new" engine, one that
apparently was a factory rebuild 150K miles ago.  My old radiator is
now leaking through a spot somewhere in the core.  Can these
radiators be fixed or should I just start pricing a new one?  What do
they cost?


Brass radiators can be re-cored, usually for somewhat less than
a new one.  Most larger cities seem to sport at least one place
that will do this.  If it's a plastic and aluminum one, so sorry
for you, it's probably time for a new one.

-- Jim

[MBZ] 240D Radiator

[John Ingram]

List-
I have my 83 240D running again with a "new" engine, one that  
apparently was a factory rebuild 150K miles ago.  My old radiator is  
now leaking through a spot somewhere in the core.  Can these  
radiators be fixed or should I just start pricing a new one?  What do  
they cost?

Thanks.
John Ingram

Re: [MBZ] 107 Subframe Question

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

The seller is full of crap.  Dont trust him, especially since he didnt 
update the ad.


Dave Wakin wrote:


I had emailed the guy who had the car for sale (1985 380SL), and this is
what he had to say:

"The subframe was updated in 1979 and the last of the 450SLs and all 380/560
|R107's have the updated subframe. I called my old mechanic in Virginia and
he says the R107 subframes that MB is shipping now (yes, the 450SL recall is
still in effect!) are the same as the one on my 380SL. He has heard of a few
higher mileage cars cracking/breaking their mounts, but they just weld and
align. The only time they have replaced a subframe on the 380/560 series was
when the mounts on both sides had failed."

The car in question was also on ebay, item 180001897460 and just ended a
little while ago. I was actually surprised to see he did not update the
descriptyion to reflect what we found. I wonder if he plans on telling the
buyer.

Dave W

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OK, I got that part about the engines being different.  But if the parts
are the same, and the problem the same, why the coverage difference?  Is
it just "one of those things?"

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:



well aside from the engine size, the difference is one is covered, one
is not.  They will all crack though.

Rich Thomas wrote:





Are there differences in the two cars?

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Re: [MBZ] 107 Subframe Question

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

because there was a class act action lawsuit, it only involved the 450 
models and owners at the time.


Rich Thomas wrote:

OK, I got that part about the engines being different.  But if the parts 
are the same, and the problem the same, why the coverage difference?  Is 
it just "one of those things?"


Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


well aside from the engine size, the difference is one is covered, one 
is not.  They will all crack though.


Rich Thomas wrote:





Are there differences in the two cars?

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Re: [MBZ] roadtrips

[Luther Gulseth]

On my recent roadtrip to Corpus Christi TX and back I spent $61 for 22.394 
gallons of fuel for about 1500 miles of driving.  Around 67 mpg on the diesel 
running at speeds from 70 (unless traffic was bad...say in Austin) to 100+.  I 
won't tell you how many gallons of veg I packed into the car...along with 11 
16lb bowling balls and 2 guys.  It was a blast of a time, hit up the clubs and 
bars at night, then bowled and slept the day away.  Can't wait for the roadtrip 
to Reno next year.


On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 21:45:36 -0500, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Yup - wife trumps all else.  The SLC is nice when you need more
carrying space - I think of the back seat as an extended trunk. you
have to have a "fuel cost be da#%ed" attitude to take a 450 anything
on a road trip these days.

On 7/3/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The trunk of the SDL has plenty of room for an engine in pieces --

Poor little squatting thing would probably have a heart attack
carrying that much weight back there.  Not to mention that my
wife vetoed my suggestion we take our week's road-trip in the
450 SL.  She cited the lack of trunk space.  It also gets half
the mileage of the SDL too...

-- Jim






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Re: [MBZ] OM60X low-oil circuit board

[OK Don]

Yup - wife trumps all else.  The SLC is nice when you need more
carrying space - I think of the back seat as an extended trunk. you
have to have a "fuel cost be da#%ed" attitude to take a 450 anything
on a road trip these days.

On 7/3/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The trunk of the SDL has plenty of room for an engine in pieces --

Poor little squatting thing would probably have a heart attack
carrying that much weight back there.  Not to mention that my
wife vetoed my suggestion we take our week's road-trip in the
450 SL.  She cited the lack of trunk space.  It also gets half
the mileage of the SDL too...

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Collective Oil Wisdom, Pls...

[Craig McCluskey]

On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 20:13:00 -0400 "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'd prefer the Mobil 1 - if there's an AutoZone in your area give them a
> call - their stores seem to carry it more than the others - I bought 7
> qts this morning and there was plenty more - their website csan be
> helpful locating a store with the inventory you need.


I went to AutoZone.com, clicked on "Shopping", and then entered "engine
oil". The choices I got were:

Home > Shopping > Engine Oil
Accessories: Mobil 1
  0W40
 10W30
 10W40
 2 Cycle
 20W50
  5W30 


I even told it I had a  2005 CHEVROLET TRUCK SILVERADO 3500 4WD
8 Cylinders 403 2 6.6L TURBO DIESEL, and got the same results.


So how do I get it to tell me where 15W50 is?


Craig

Re: [MBZ] Collective Oil Wisdom, Pls...

[Chuck Landenberger]

John and Larry T,

I found some 15W50 at a nearby NAPA store 12 qts  W/the  
16V and 500E, I'll be checking in the near future for more.  The  
car history I got w/the 500E, even w/Mobil1, oil/filter changes NEVER  
went over 8,000 miles and most often were about every 3,500 miles.   
What a waste!  Some of the invoices "billed" up to 10 quarts!I'm  
planning on putting in 7 quarts, driving around a bit, and checking  
it in the morning...!! Topping off as necessary.

I figure I'll do oil/filter every 8-10,000

Have a Great 4th and be safe,

Chuck
Phoenix, AZ


On Jul 3, 2006, at 5:35 PM, Desert Rat wrote:


Now Chuck, you know if you go with that Castrol stuff you will have to
remove that M1 sticker you have under the 500E hood.


 I spoke w/Arizona Petroleum that is a local distributor of most
brands of motor oil to see if they had any Mobil1.  "Very little"  
and
"no 15W/50" was the answer.  But, they do have Castrol Full  
Synthetic

5W/50 in ample supply.   I was told Castrol Full Synthetic (Syntec?)
is Mercedes-Benz approved...

What's the collective opinion of this for my two cars...  '86 190E
2.3 16V and '92 500E???  Cost is about $39 for 6 quart case.

TIA,

Chuck
Phoenix, AZ

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Re: [MBZ] Jim, bring the MOG

[Jim Cathey]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/car/178003499.html


Gassers, pah!

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Another one for Jim C

[Jim Cathey]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/car/177734929.html


Hmm.  My wife caught me looking at the ad, so I'm busted.
She said that she had though that you were such a nice man...

Also, though there is a shine on the paint, why three different
pictures of the nose of the car and no tail or interior shots?
Then there's the whole rust question...

I like 115's, but I think the resale potential would be less,
and it was an automatic to boot.  Not to mention the 'raw sewage'
color.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Looking for a MOG?

[Jim Cathey]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/car/176926728.html


I've seen those before.  Sweet, but not low (priced)!

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OM60X low-oil circuit board

[Jim Cathey]

The trunk of the SDL has plenty of room for an engine in pieces --


Poor little squatting thing would probably have a heart attack
carrying that much weight back there.  Not to mention that my
wife vetoed my suggestion we take our week's road-trip in the
450 SL.  She cited the lack of trunk space.  It also gets half
the mileage of the SDL too...

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OM617 - revisiting tranny question

[Chuck Landenberger]

On Jul 3, 2006, at 4:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 like Chuck used to do.


A yes!Back in the autocross days with the Greater Washington  
Section..  Yup, shifts were "square" as I defined them.  That  
original trans and engine are still running in Michigan w/the new  
owner, Ian


IIRC, the sharp/square shifts are much less wearing on a transmission  
than those that meet the public demand for comfortable shifting.


Take care and have a WONDERFUL AND SAFE 4TH...

Chuck
Phoenix AZ
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1992 500E
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I was at Schuck's (local McFLAPS) today buying a 190D cyclopean
wiper blade, and they had a 'case' of M1 15W50 there.  Dunno what
the price was, but Delo was $9/gallon.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OM60X low-oil circuit board

[OK Don]

The trunk of the SDL has plenty of room for an engine in pieces --



What an offer!  Unfortunately we're going to be in the SDL this trip,
though I might take you up on that offer, using my brother's place as
a staging area.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Collective Oil Wisdom, Pls...

[Desert Rat]

Now Chuck, you know if you go with that Castrol stuff you will have to
remove that M1 sticker you have under the 500E hood.


>  I spoke w/Arizona Petroleum that is a local distributor of most
> brands of motor oil to see if they had any Mobil1.  "Very little" and
> "no 15W/50" was the answer.  But, they do have Castrol Full Synthetic
> 5W/50 in ample supply.   I was told Castrol Full Synthetic (Syntec?)
> is Mercedes-Benz approved...
>
> What's the collective opinion of this for my two cars...  '86 190E
> 2.3 16V and '92 500E???  Cost is about $39 for 6 quart case.
>
> TIA,
>
> Chuck
> Phoenix, AZ
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Re: [MBZ] Collective Oil Wisdom, Pls...

[LarryT]

I'd prefer the Mobil 1 - if there's an AutoZone in your area give them a 
call - their stores seem to carry it more than the others - I bought 7 qts 
this morning and there was plenty more - their website csan be helpful 
locating a store with the inventory you need.


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 I spoke w/Arizona Petroleum that is a local distributor of most
brands of motor oil to see if they had any Mobil1.  "Very little" and
"no 15W/50" was the answer.  But, they do have Castrol Full Synthetic
5W/50 in ample supply.   I was told Castrol Full Synthetic (Syntec?)
is Mercedes-Benz approved...

What's the collective opinion of this for my two cars...  '86 190E
2.3 16V and '92 500E???  Cost is about $39 for 6 quart case.

TIA,

Chuck
Phoenix, AZ

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