Re: [MBZ] alternator charging rate?
A battery charger really is the answer unless you need to drive somewhere anyway. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] alternator charging rate? I'm wondering here what the alternator output is and with everything running you'd only expect a few amps of charging taking the battery from 0 to 20% over a couple of hours, and a few startup cycles. Let's say you have the typical smaller alternator of 55A capacity. Blower fan on high is something like 20A, lights 10A or more, etc. You could easily only end up with 10A or less available for charging, and even if not you have to find out what the battery will charge at _at_its_regulated_voltage_! It can take hours to bring them all the way back on a charger, and why would they charge at a significantly higher than the car's voltage? The battery is something like 100AH in capacity, so you can do the math. After any near-death experience the battery should be fully charged as soon as practical. An all-day road trip might do it, or invest in a small battery charger. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] alternator charging rate?
Tom Hargrave wrote: A battery charger really is the answer unless you need to drive somewhere anyway. Or unless you live in an apartment with no outside plug-ins. ;)
Re: [MBZ] need this v12?
You should drive out sometime and visit Iowa. Contrary to what you might think, there is a lot more here than corn and soybeans, such as http://www.iastate.edu/. On 7/18/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: redghost wrote: Where in creation would you drive that in Iowa, Don? Why am I thinking of the Cornfield Cruiser all of a sudden? ( http://www.roadsideamerica.com/tips/getAttraction.php3?tip_AttractionNo==894 ) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. BIODIESEL -- no oil war required. 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle
Re: [MBZ] need this v12?
LT Don wrote: You should drive out sometime and visit Iowa. Contrary to what you might think, there is a lot more here than corn and soybeans, such as http://www.iastate.edu/. I actually did drive through Iowa once, on I-80. I saw lots of corn and lots of truck stops. But I'm sure that's not the most interesting part of the state.
Re: [MBZ] 201 front suspension help
Does the 126 have the McPherson(?) strut set up like the 201? The suspension set up in the 201's is completley different to the earlier compact size MB's and there is no comparison possible. Like comparing a CDI Diesel to an non CDI engine. Also it has to be remebered that the 201 dominated touring car racing in Germany during the 80's, so even other four door European cars where not quite up there with the 201. Like a lot of other things, MB might not have invented it but they came close to perfecting it. Another factor is that MB designs cars for the autobahn, whereas Japan does not have a high speed road network. - Original Message - From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 1:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 201 front suspension help Curt Raymond wrote: I'd mentioned in passing the other day that I thought my 190D felt much more like a Japanese car than a German one to which he replied Acura Legend. Meaning that the rise of the Japanese near luxury car was already putting the squeeze on MB even in 1985. I'm sure thats correct, my 190D handles much more like, looks more like, and is built more like a Japanese car than the MBs that came before it. Compared to my 240D it handles like its on rails. The 201 was the testbed for the 124 (they share MANY parts and precisely the same design principles). The 124 (300E) won virtually ever award for the best handling production sedan ever made in the mid '80s! When they were introduced in the mids '80s there wasn't a Japanese sedan that even came close! Now more than a decade after they were discontinued, a well maintained 124 or 201 is still only slightly inferior to the best handling cars made. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/390 - Release Date: 17/07/2006
Re: [MBZ] need this v12?
Yea, I-80 does cut thru the fields. Extremely boring, and I _live_ here! You need to take an exit and look around some. In case any of you out there are (1) independently wealthy and bored, or (2) willing to travel, I highly (let me make that HIGHLY) recommend crossing Iowa on Highway 30. Runs east / west from border to border. When you get to the intersection with Highway 4, turn south and come a couple of miles south to my house. I will put the coffee pot on. On 30 you will actually see Iowa. Same with Highway 20, about an hour north of me. And if you are coming on two wheels, oh my Gawd, bring it on! Best straight-drive road you will find. D. On 7/18/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LT Don wrote: You should drive out sometime and visit Iowa. Contrary to what you might think, there is a lot more here than corn and soybeans, such as http://www.iastate.edu/. I actually did drive through Iowa once, on I-80. I saw lots of corn and lots of truck stops. But I'm sure that's not the most interesting part of the state. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. BIODIESEL -- no oil war required. 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle
Re: [MBZ] Delay Downshift Klunk
Thanks Mr. Jim Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Delay Downshift Klunk In a message dated 7/17/2006 8:05:53 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SoI get off the freeway yesterday after driving home from the old nuke plant.I drop off my carpool charge and then get back on Indianschool Road, where the speed linit is 35mph. I drive about 2 miles at 38mph or so and approach a light. I slow down normally and then, a full two seconds after the car has stopped, the transmission klunks down into first. Odd. When the light changed, I was off normally and all subsequent shifting was fine. Just a random event or a precursor to heartache? Bob, No bigge! We're talking about your 77 300D, right? The trans is supposed to stay in 2nd until you move out. This is supposed to be easier on your braking foot since there is less torque being transmitted in 2nd. The hotter it gets, the slower the downshifts get. Occasionally, mine will sit in 2nd, then as I start off, a delayed downshift to 1st will occur. It will clunk rather sharply down to first. It is supposed to go to first at the first motion of the throttle pedal, then their is no shock wave. Mobil 1 ATF will cure, or at least raise the temperature at which clunking occurs. If it does it more and more often, look for a worn bushing in the lower end of the rod that goes from the throttle linkage down to the passenger side of the transmission. I think yours has that rod, some have a cable, and some don't have any mechanical feed back to the trans. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 262 K miles 98 ML 320, 143 K miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Old rice burners vs?? (warning, rant)
Well I am a firm believer that MB really started it's downward slide when they became DC. Cut costs, focus on looks and gadgets rather than substance and reliability and you have a recipe for disaster. I call it trading in German desire for reliability for American type consumerism. - Original Message - From: Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Old rice burners vs?? (warning, rant) I don't see it as a Lexus influence, so much as the influence of spreading red ink and loss of market share for what qualifies for me as the stupidest of reasons: the thick German skull. One of my favourite quips concerns the w116 450sel 6.9 -- auto writers loved those barges, supercars that they were. But what other supercar came with a set of manually-adjusting rear view mirrors? (And, yes, a nasty plastic owner's wallet.) BMW got away with its, err, cheesy interiors for years because they played it as part of their 'driver's machine' image. How Mercedes passed on MB-Tex (and for that matter, it's second rate leather) for years to people paying huge prices is an enduring mystery to me. Right up there with being able to sell things like the CD models as 'luxury' coupes. Huh? Lexus didn't win over people initially just because of their association with Toyota, and its rep for doing things right (not completely deserved, by the way, I am a Honda fan myself). They did it by treating owners like royalty in the service department. And through little touches like washing (actually, more like a mild detailing, at least in this area) for free once a week. And every time the car came into the service area. Word of mouth. Image building. The Japanese understand this, mostly. The Koreans are catching on. The Germans, OTOH, work from If it is German, it must be the best (don't get me started on Bosch and one or two others). Translated, this unfortunately in the past worked out to You vill take vhat we zink is best, and you vill like it. This reached its nadir of insolence when Audi initially reacted to the 'unintended acceleration' publicity by blaming its customers. Ironically enough, the US auto industry is now probably building some of the best cars it's come out with for 30 years or more, better powertrains, ERGONOMICS, designs that don't look like they came from brilliant minds. But no one cares anymore. Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/390 - Release Date: 17/07/2006
Re: [MBZ] Brits; what's wrong with these people?
Is that a Chinese guy driving it? --R Zeitgeist wrote: Watch this four part series of wonton Mercedes abuse at your own risk. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bIV_hHPAFQmode=relatedsearch=
Re: [MBZ] Old rice burners vs?? (warning, rant)
Now I am going to defend that about Audi saying it was the customers fault. Of couse it turned out to be a bunch of idiots who were money hungry. That unintended acceleration turned out to be a sick joke that almost cost Audi their business. I owned a few of their cars and never ever had a problem with any of them. I think it was a sick joke gone way to far Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:22:50 -0400 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Old rice burners vs?? (warning, rant) on 7/18/06 4:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now to the point. The Lexus' owners manual and papers were contained in a nice leather zip case. Expensive and classy. And when I took delivery of my '95 C280, guess what? An even nicer leather zip case for it's manuals and papers. The Lexus influence was clear to me. I don't see it as a Lexus influence, so much as the influence of spreading red ink and loss of market share for what qualifies for me as the stupidest of reasons: the thick German skull. One of my favourite quips concerns the w116 450sel 6.9 -- auto writers loved those barges, supercars that they were. But what other supercar came with a set of manually-adjusting rear view mirrors? (And, yes, a nasty plastic owner's wallet.) BMW got away with its, err, cheesy interiors for years because they played it as part of their 'driver's machine' image. How Mercedes passed on MB-Tex (and for that matter, it's second rate leather) for years to people paying huge prices is an enduring mystery to me. Right up there with being able to sell things like the CD models as 'luxury' coupes. Huh? Lexus didn't win over people initially just because of their association with Toyota, and its rep for doing things right (not completely deserved, by the way, I am a Honda fan myself). They did it by treating owners like royalty in the service department. And through little touches like washing (actually, more like a mild detailing, at least in this area) for free once a week. And every time the car came into the service area. Word of mouth. Image building. The Japanese understand this, mostly. The Koreans are catching on. The Germans, OTOH, work from If it is German, it must be the best (don't get me started on Bosch and one or two others). Translated, this unfortunately in the past worked out to You vill take vhat we zink is best, and you vill like it. This reached its nadir of insolence when Audi initially reacted to the 'unintended acceleration' publicity by blaming its customers. Ironically enough, the US auto industry is now probably building some of the best cars it's come out with for 30 years or more, better powertrains, ERGONOMICS, designs that don't look like they came from brilliant minds. But no one cares anymore. Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Old rice burners vs?? (warning, rant)
I like Audi -- a poor man's Benz. In fact, my VW Quantum diesel-turbo is a misbadged Audi 4000. On 7/18/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I am going to defend that about Audi saying it was the customers fault. Of couse it turned out to be a bunch of idiots who were money hungry. That unintended acceleration turned out to be a sick joke that almost cost Audi their business. I owned a few of their cars and never ever had a problem with any of them. I think it was a sick joke gone way to far Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:22:50 -0400 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Old rice burners vs?? (warning, rant) on 7/18/06 4:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now to the point. The Lexus' owners manual and papers were contained in a nice leather zip case. Expensive and classy. And when I took delivery of my '95 C280, guess what? An even nicer leather zip case for it's manuals and papers. The Lexus influence was clear to me. I don't see it as a Lexus influence, so much as the influence of spreading red ink and loss of market share for what qualifies for me as the stupidest of reasons: the thick German skull. One of my favourite quips concerns the w116 450sel 6.9 -- auto writers loved those barges, supercars that they were. But what other supercar came with a set of manually-adjusting rear view mirrors? (And, yes, a nasty plastic owner's wallet.) BMW got away with its, err, cheesy interiors for years because they played it as part of their 'driver's machine' image. How Mercedes passed on MB-Tex (and for that matter, it's second rate leather) for years to people paying huge prices is an enduring mystery to me. Right up there with being able to sell things like the CD models as 'luxury' coupes. Huh? Lexus didn't win over people initially just because of their association with Toyota, and its rep for doing things right (not completely deserved, by the way, I am a Honda fan myself). They did it by treating owners like royalty in the service department. And through little touches like washing (actually, more like a mild detailing, at least in this area) for free once a week. And every time the car came into the service area. Word of mouth. Image building. The Japanese understand this, mostly. The Koreans are catching on. The Germans, OTOH, work from If it is German, it must be the best (don't get me started on Bosch and one or two others). Translated, this unfortunately in the past worked out to You vill take vhat we zink is best, and you vill like it. This reached its nadir of insolence when Audi initially reacted to the 'unintended acceleration' publicity by blaming its customers. Ironically enough, the US auto industry is now probably building some of the best cars it's come out with for 30 years or more, better powertrains, ERGONOMICS, designs that don't look like they came from brilliant minds. But no one cares anymore. Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. BIODIESEL -- no oil war required. 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle
Re: [MBZ] need this v12?
You should drive out sometime and visit Iowa. Contrary to what you might think, there is a lot more here than corn and soybeans I have a friend from Ioway. I always tease her about the state tree being corn. Sets her off every time! -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 201 front suspension help
Does the 126 have the McPherson(?) strut set up like the 201? No. The 126 looks a lot like the 114/115 underneath, as does everything in between. (107, 116, 123) -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Old rice burners vs?? (warning, rant)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I am going to defend that about Audi saying it was the customers fault. Although it does seem the only people stupid enough to buy Audis in the 1980s were the ones who were too stupid to know that if the brake pedal dropped to the floor with no more resistance than a throttle would exhibit, as the car lunged forward at full throttle, you might want to quit shoving the pedal to the floor and look for the brake. Operator error is not the car's fault, nor is is improper for Audi to call a moron a moron. Mitch.
Re: [MBZ] Old rice burners vs?? (warning, rant)
Actually, that is a good time to buy one of the vehicles. I sure with Benz would suddenly find the CDI's smacking into garage walls! On 7/18/06, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I am going to defend that about Audi saying it was the customers fault. Although it does seem the only people stupid enough to buy Audis in the 1980s were the ones who were too stupid to know that if the brake pedal dropped to the floor with no more resistance than a throttle would exhibit, as the car lunged forward at full throttle, you might want to quit shoving the pedal to the floor and look for the brake. Operator error is not the car's fault, nor is is improper for Audi to call a moron a moron. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. BIODIESEL -- no oil war required. 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle
Re: [MBZ] need this v12?
I think the state tree out here is the Family Tree. On 7/18/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should drive out sometime and visit Iowa. Contrary to what you might think, there is a lot more here than corn and soybeans I have a friend from Ioway. I always tease her about the state tree being corn. Sets her off every time! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. BIODIESEL -- no oil war required. 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle
Re: [MBZ] 201 front suspension help
Now, now - the 107 and 114/115 have a double wishbone front suspension (my favorite). None of these single arms and track rods and sockets, etc. On 7/18/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the 126 have the McPherson(?) strut set up like the 201? No. The 126 looks a lot like the 114/115 underneath, as does everything in between. (107, 116, 123) -- Jim -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
[MBZ] 126 Seat Switch Update
If you are thinking of replacing your old-style 126 seat switch ... Had to replace my 1982 passenger seat switch after two passengers tried to open the door using the backrest adjustment. I already had a new-style switch (bought on eBay some time back) and I ordered the conversion kit from Rusty. The old switch was soldered directly to the wires while the new style switch uses 2 connectors. The kit consisted of two connector shells, pin sockets, a new cover plate and a new backrest knob, and a plastic c-clip. You can reuse the seat knob. The main installation task is to unsolder the wires from the old switch, solder them to the pin sockets and insert the pin sockets in the correct locations in the plastic connector shells. By the way, I removed the head-rest adjustment stud from the new switch because my car doesn't have that feature. Problems: (1) The color dots on the front connector shell were mirror image of the correct placement. This resulted in the front up-down working backwards while the rear up-down and seat back didn't work at all (ground and 12v wires were reversed as were the forward-back wires). After considerable head scratching (and a shower) I realized what this problem was. (2) When screwed to the door, the new switch body does not stick out far enough to attach the knobs. There is a plastic C-clip that snaps over a large plastic post on the switch after the trim plate is installed; I got the clip on by compressing the door liner panel but it popped off immediately as soon as I released compression pressure. Fortunately, I found it. In the end, I had to completely remove the screws that should hold the switch to the door such that the switch floats, secured only by the plastic c-clip and the trim piece. Positives: The switch does work and the seat-back adjustment stud appears more robust than the old design. The newer switches appear to be more available as used and the new-style seat-back adjustment stud appears interchangeable with the up-down studs, making a future repair (swapping parts) more feasible. I have dissembled and reassembled the new and old switches successfully, indoors. Also, the door liner panel installs much easier because the new switch does not protrude as far from the door. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2584 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20060719/13f60c9b/attachment.bin
Re: [MBZ] Brits; what's wrong with these people?
Ya, he spilled some to that creme of sum yung gy soup in his lap; hence the wonton mayhem that ensued. On 7/18/06, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that a Chinese guy driving it? Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k) '84 300D (214k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] need this v12?
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:16:08 -0500 LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd rather have that tugboat they show on the same page. Wouldn't that make a cute liveaboard boat? Indeed. That's why I said it's a good thing I don't live near the ocean! Craig
Re: [MBZ] 201 front suspension help
Now, now - the 107 and 114/115 have a double wishbone front suspension (my favorite). None of these single arms and track rods and sockets, etc. Shows you what I know. I can recognize a strut that isn't there... How many pins on that thing? What voltage?... -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] need this v12?
Me too. That is one of my fantasies. Have you read this:? Go to http://www.arachnoid.com/sailbook/ and download Confessions. The author (and the guy who does the website) WROTE AppleWriter and is a multi-millionaire. He also spend four years sailing around the world. He now takes his boat to Alaska and tries to not be eaten by the bears. The scary part is that he thinks just like me. Oh -- did I mention that he worked for NASA and designed the Shuttle lighting system -- and dropped our of school in the 7th grade? Read and enjoy ... and be very jealous. On 7/18/06, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:16:08 -0500 LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd rather have that tugboat they show on the same page. Wouldn't that make a cute liveaboard boat? Indeed. That's why I said it's a good thing I don't live near the ocean! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. BIODIESEL -- no oil war required. 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle
Re: [MBZ] Brits; what's wrong with these people?
One a them funny guys, huh? --R Zeitgeist wrote: Ya, he spilled some to that creme of sum yung gy soup in his lap; hence the wonton mayhem that ensued. On 7/18/06, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that a Chinese guy driving it? Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k) '84 300D (214k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Brits; what's wrong with these people?
I doubt that the FSM was amused --- by the video, not the banter. On 7/18/06, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One a them funny guys, huh? --R -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
[MBZ] Mice are not your problem
You think you got problems with mice in your car, check this out http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060717/NEWS02/607170317/1009 --R
Re: [MBZ] alternator charging rate?
rumor has it that David wrote: Tom Hargrave wrote: A battery charger really is the answer unless you need to drive somewhere anyway. Or unless you live in an apartment with no outside plug-ins. ;) Then you need a big battery and an inverter and a battery charger. Oh. Maybe you could just take the battery indoors with you for a recharge. -- Philip. I've done that and I don't live in an apartment.
Re: [MBZ] Old rice burners vs?? (warning, rant)
I remember following that story all the way to the end when it went to federal court. At the time I owned one of the rare Audi Quattro coupes (which was trashed by some drunken $%#@ in a truck. I remember all the charges being dismissed at the expense of millions in legal fees for Audi when the accusers admitted to making the stories up. Not only did these morons make up lies to get rich, but they sacrificed the lives of their own for money. Thats just down right sick! Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:46:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Old rice burners vs?? (warning, rant) I like Audi -- a poor man's Benz. In fact, my VW Quantum diesel-turbo is a misbadged Audi 4000. On 7/18/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I am going to defend that about Audi saying it was the customers fault. Of couse it turned out to be a bunch of idiots who were money hungry. That unintended acceleration turned out to be a sick joke that almost cost Audi their business. I owned a few of their cars and never ever had a problem with any of them. I think it was a sick joke gone way to far Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:22:50 -0400 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Old rice burners vs?? (warning, rant) on 7/18/06 4:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now to the point. The Lexus' owners manual and papers were contained in a nice leather zip case. Expensive and classy. And when I took delivery of my '95 C280, guess what? An even nicer leather zip case for it's manuals and papers. The Lexus influence was clear to me. I don't see it as a Lexus influence, so much as the influence of spreading red ink and loss of market share for what qualifies for me as the stupidest of reasons: the thick German skull. One of my favourite quips concerns the w116 450sel 6.9 -- auto writers loved those barges, supercars that they were. But what other supercar came with a set of manually-adjusting rear view mirrors? (And, yes, a nasty plastic owner's wallet.) BMW got away with its, err, cheesy interiors for years because they played it as part of their 'driver's machine' image. How Mercedes passed on MB-Tex (and for that matter, it's second rate leather) for years to people paying huge prices is an enduring mystery to me. Right up there with being able to sell things like the CD models as 'luxury' coupes. Huh? Lexus didn't win over people initially just because of their association with Toyota, and its rep for doing things right (not completely deserved, by the way, I am a Honda fan myself). They did it by treating owners like royalty in the service department. And through little touches like washing (actually, more like a mild detailing, at least in this area) for free once a week. And every time the car came into the service area. Word of mouth. Image building. The Japanese understand this, mostly. The Koreans are catching on. The Germans, OTOH, work from If it is German, it must be the best (don't get me started on Bosch and one or two others). Translated, this unfortunately in the past worked out to You vill take vhat we zink is best, and you vill like it. This reached its nadir of insolence when Audi initially reacted to the 'unintended acceleration' publicity by blaming its customers. Ironically enough, the US auto industry is now probably building some of the best cars it's come out with for 30 years or more, better powertrains, ERGONOMICS, designs that don't look like they came from brilliant minds. But no one cares anymore. Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. BIODIESEL -- no oil war required. 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Old rice burners vs?? (warning, rant)
on 7/18/06 9:10 PM, Mitch Haley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I am going to defend that about Audi saying it was the customers fault. Although it does seem the only people stupid enough to buy Audis in the 1980s were the ones who were too stupid to know that if the brake pedal dropped to the floor with no more resistance than a throttle would exhibit, as the car lunged forward at full throttle, you might want to quit shoving the pedal to the floor and look for the brake. Operator error is not the car's fault, nor is is improper for Audi to call a moron a moron. Um, I did not make my point clear in my original post Actually I don't care if it was all a scam or not, the point was that in the corporate world, you NEVER -- even more so on overpriced gear such as Audis were, at that time -- call your customers stupid. Not with the demographic Audi was reaching for (essentially wealthy professionals looking for a little more excitement than a Benz provided at the time). Audi could have come out with any number of creative strategies, before they called their customers stupid. It is one of the classic blunders of PR history, and it almost cost them the entire North American market. It also cost them a fortune in Madison Avenue $$$ to get themselves back on track. Mac
Re: [MBZ] Old rice burners vs?? (warning, rant)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember all the charges being dismissed at the expense of millions in legal fees for Audi when the accusers admitted to making the stories up. I hadn't heard about the intentional accidents before. The whole media spiel stunk of BS and I tried to ignore it. So in the end, it was an idiotic media frenzy fueled by copycats who heard about it on TV. The very first time I heard it I knew it was operator malfunction. What car goes forward at full throttle while the brake pedal goes to the floor, and magically fixes itself after the crash? Mitch
Re: [MBZ] Old rice burners vs?? (warning, rant)
Actually this is the first time I actually heard anything about Audi making those comments. I'm betting the media was responsible for those comments. Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 00:55:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Old rice burners vs?? (warning, rant) on 7/18/06 9:10 PM, Mitch Haley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I am going to defend that about Audi saying it was the customers fault. Although it does seem the only people stupid enough to buy Audis in the 1980s were the ones who were too stupid to know that if the brake pedal dropped to the floor with no more resistance than a throttle would exhibit, as the car lunged forward at full throttle, you might want to quit shoving the pedal to the floor and look for the brake. Operator error is not the car's fault, nor is is improper for Audi to call a moron a moron. Um, I did not make my point clear in my original post Actually I don't care if it was all a scam or not, the point was that in the corporate world, you NEVER -- even more so on overpriced gear such as Audis were, at that time -- call your customers stupid. Not with the demographic Audi was reaching for (essentially wealthy professionals looking for a little more excitement than a Benz provided at the time). Audi could have come out with any number of creative strategies, before they called their customers stupid. It is one of the classic blunders of PR history, and it almost cost them the entire North American market. It also cost them a fortune in Madison Avenue $$$ to get themselves back on track. Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Brits; what's wrong with these people?
Well, they used a bit more than wontons on that car, I especially liked the energetic dissociations of various devices in the final reel. It was funny in one scene where the rear wiper was still trying to do it's job with the window missing, the hatch all bent up. If I ever get into a crash with a monster truck I want to be driving one of these cars (wait, I think I do). --R Zeitgeist wrote: Watch this four part series of wonton Mercedes abuse at your own risk. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bIV_hHPAFQmode=relatedsearch=
[MBZ] Rod Bender
-- Message: 12 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:25:33 -0700 From: redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] PDX Rod-bender To: Mercedes List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/183257282.html I am sure he knows why it is burning oil -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz Would a 87 300SDL motor drop into one of these 90-91 350SDL cars with out any modifications? _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
Re: [MBZ] Brits; what's wrong with these people?
695lbs? That seems pretty cheap Rich Thomas wrote: Well, they used a bit more than wontons on that car, I especially liked the energetic dissociations of various devices in the final reel. It was funny in one scene where the rear wiper was still trying to do it's job with the window missing, the hatch all bent up. If I ever get into a crash with a monster truck I want to be driving one of these cars (wait, I think I do). --R Zeitgeist wrote: Watch this four part series of wonton Mercedes abuse at your own risk. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bIV_hHPAFQmode=relatedsearch= ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Brits; what's wrong with these people?
Is there a way to download the videos to watch later on that site? My PC comes up with an error message. Would love to watch them but can't sit here in front of the PC waiting for them to load. Mike - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brits; what's wrong with these people? Well, they used a bit more than wontons on that car, I especially liked the energetic dissociations of various devices in the final reel. It was funny in one scene where the rear wiper was still trying to do it's job with the window missing, the hatch all bent up. If I ever get into a crash with a monster truck I want to be driving one of these cars (wait, I think I do). --R Zeitgeist wrote: Watch this four part series of wonton Mercedes abuse at your own risk. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bIV_hHPAFQmode=relatedsearch= ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rod Bender
Roger Conlon wrote: Would a 87 300SDL motor drop into one of these 90-91 350SDL cars with out any modifications? NO! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] Brits; what's wrong with these people?
I have yet to complete the process to verify 100%, but it appears so... I'm downloading from this site right now: http://keepvid.com/ But it looks like this would probably work directly... http://videodownloader.net/get/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyoutube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D-bIV_hHPAFQ On 7/19/06, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to download the videos to watch later on that site? My PC comes up with an error message. Would love to watch them but can't sit here in front of the PC waiting for them to load. Mike
Re: [MBZ] Old rice burners vs?? (warning, rant)
on 7/19/06 6:44 AM, Mitch Haley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What car goes forward at full throttle while the brake pedal goes to the floor, and magically fixes itself after the crash? The problem was eventually admitted to be that the european cars did not have the huge brake pedal that NA makes did, with the automatic. Actually there were also reports of Volvos in the same circumstances. But Audi for some reason bore the brunt. You can thank that whole bruhaha for the regulation that you have to have your foot on the brake, to shift out of park, on all cars now. Mac
Re: [MBZ] Old rice burners vs?? (warning, rant)
No, Audi managed that one all by itself. I can still remember the car magazines turning on Audi (after initially being sympathetic), over the PR response. Mac on 7/19/06 7:42 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually this is the first time I actually heard anything about Audi making those comments. I'm betting the media was responsible for those comments. Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 00:55:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Old rice burners vs?? (warning, rant) on 7/18/06 9:10 PM, Mitch Haley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I am going to defend that about Audi saying it was the customers fault. Although it does seem the only people stupid enough to buy Audis in the 1980s were the ones who were too stupid to know that if the brake pedal dropped to the floor with no more resistance than a throttle would exhibit, as the car lunged forward at full throttle, you might want to quit shoving the pedal to the floor and look for the brake. Operator error is not the car's fault, nor is is improper for Audi to call a moron a moron. Um, I did not make my point clear in my original post Actually I don't care if it was all a scam or not, the point was that in the corporate world, you NEVER -- even more so on overpriced gear such as Audis were, at that time -- call your customers stupid. Not with the demographic Audi was reaching for (essentially wealthy professionals looking for a little more excitement than a Benz provided at the time). Audi could have come out with any number of creative strategies, before they called their customers stupid. It is one of the classic blunders of PR history, and it almost cost them the entire North American market. It also cost them a fortune in Madison Avenue $$$ to get themselves back on track. Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 420/560 ignition control module
Anybody know why the ignition module would be different for a 420 and a 560? I dont see why they would need a different unit. Anybody? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 420/560 ignition control module
on 7/19/06 11:38 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody know why the ignition module would be different for a 420 and a 560? I dont see why they would need a different unit. Anybody? Oh, you slay me. As if. Same reason there are at least two different vacuum routing setups, for the same year of OM616? Mac Not being helpful at all
Re: [MBZ] 420/560 ignition control module
haha, yea Steve MacSween wrote: on 7/19/06 11:38 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody know why the ignition module would be different for a 420 and a 560? I dont see why they would need a different unit. Anybody? Oh, you slay me. As if. Same reason there are at least two different vacuum routing setups, for the same year of OM616? Mac Not being helpful at all ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Rod Bender
Other than the slightly different glowplug system, I'm at a loss to think of too many reasons why a .96 can't be substituted for a .97 If I came upon a good deal for one of those rigs, that's exactly what I'd do. But then again, I'd rather stick with the E-class anyway. On 7/19/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NO! Marshall Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k) '84 300D (214k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] Old rice burners vs?? (warning, rant)
Didn't that whole deal originate on 60Minutes with Dan Rather in the lead on the story? Found some dentist's wife who got wunnathem new Uropeen cars and had no idea how to drive it so did the pedal mixup thing? Another fake but accurate reporting job? There is an old newspaper photo of my mother standing next to a shop with a car in the front window, being consoled by a cop, she was in the shop when a similar event occurred and some woman unintendedly accelerated from the parking spot in front forward into the shop rather than backing out of the spot. Everyone was OK except for some jangled nerves. It was some kind of basic Merkin car. --R Steve MacSween wrote: on 7/19/06 6:44 AM, Mitch Haley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What car goes forward at full throttle while the brake pedal goes to the floor, and magically fixes itself after the crash? The problem was eventually admitted to be that the european cars did not have the huge brake pedal that NA makes did, with the automatic. Actually there were also reports of Volvos in the same circumstances. But Audi for some reason bore the brunt. You can thank that whole bruhaha for the regulation that you have to have your foot on the brake, to shift out of park, on all cars now. Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Old rice burners vs?? (warning, rant)
Steve MacSween wrote: on 7/19/06 6:44 AM, Mitch Haley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What car goes forward at full throttle while the brake pedal goes to the floor, and magically fixes itself after the crash? The problem was eventually admitted to be that the european cars did not have the huge brake pedal that NA makes did, with the automatic. Actually there were also reports of Volvos in the same circumstances. But Audi for some reason bore the brunt. Jeep had its share of runaway-style accidents, too. User error, but probably aggravated by a feature of their design. If you look at some of the 1980s Cherokee and Wagoneer models, the pedals are shifted considerably farther to the left than most cars, to make room for the large transmission hump. That puts the accelerator in the same general area, relative to the steering wheel, as the right edge of the oversize brake pedal on most automatic cars. Side note...when automatic transmissions first became popular, there was a spate of accidents where people were in the wrong gear. They'd think they were in reverse, but were really in drive, and would push down on the accelerator until the car jumped the curb and hit something. This is what inspired the modern P-R-N-D-L shift quadrant, which puts a neutral gear in between reverse and drive.
Re: [MBZ] 420/560 ignition control module
to frustrate you. Is it working? Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Anybody know why the ignition module would be different for a 420 and a 560? I dont see why they would need a different unit. Anybody? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine)
Re: [MBZ] the same old refrain...
Most if not all 4wheelers use a centrifigal clutch just like on a snowmobile. If its slipping while getting up to speed its probably a bad belt or the primary clutch is gunked up and not closing good, or maybe more likely the secondary doesn't close all the way so you're really starting in a higher gear ratio than you should be. -Curt Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:43:31 -0400 From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] the same old refrain... To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I've used the M1 Motorcycle in my 86' Honda VF500F, seems fine. But I wonder if M1 15w50 would be fine. It would be half the price... (or almost). Especially since I'm hardly riding it at all any more... I'm wondering the same thing with my 84(I think) Honda TRX250 4-wheeler that already seems to be slipping a bit until it gets up to speed... I can't remember how exactly that's set up, but it seems there's something like a centrifugal clutch until like 2000rpms, then a wet clutch locks in place? Does that get affected by oil like bikes or not? Levi - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jul 19 19:07:45 2006 Received: from web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.38]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G3HOa-00010m-Ma for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:07:45 + Received: (qmail 69750 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jul 2006 19:07:35 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [71.233.182.93] by web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:07:35 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:07:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.7.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Deal from Kaleb X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:07:46 - 27 hours (minimum) later... 57 gallons of diesel fuel ~ $170 Hmm, that actually seems better than I'd first thought. Not withstanding the housebuying thing. Of course if we count my time for something, - $700 Geez even if we put a couple $50 hotel rooms in there its still not too bad a deal. Oh wait, what about the flight? Expedia says $430 maybe could do a little better but not much. Still not such a bad deal especially since I know somebody's looked the car over. My wife would shoot me though, we're on economy measures until the housebuying is done. -Curt Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:26:54 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Deal from Kaleb, Was: W123 1982 240D A/C questions To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed fly in, drive back, no problems. - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jul 19 19:08:04 2006 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.170]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G3HOu-00013U-ML for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:08:04 + Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id u40so470209ugc for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.139.5 with SMTP id m5mr654725hud; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.45.12 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:07:56 -0400 From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.7.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] the same old refrain... X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To:
Re: [MBZ] 201 front suspension help
Not for the first time I don't think most people get what I'm trying to say here. Remember I have a 201 and I REALLY like it. Specifically I like that it has decent power and 40mpg. I was in Germany in '93 and noticed that many Germans take alot of pride in their cars, and do alot of their own maintenance, even when they don't have a driveway, they'll pull up onto the sidewalk. I saw that many times. I mentioned it to my friend Satoshi from Japan and he told me that the average Japanese person considers his car an appliance, like the toaster. He needs it to go from place to place and thats it. Many fewer serious car enthusiasts in Japan. In the 201 I see a car that is designed to be driven with a minimum of fuss. There are fewer maintenance points and the ergonomics are decidedly different from the w123s I've had. The suspension feels much more like a Japanese car than the 123. Which asks the question, who pioneered this? My answer is nobody, the rise of strut suspensions was really an '80s thing that many makers were trying at the same time. -Curt Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:18:03 +0930 From: Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 201 front suspension help To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Does the 126 have the McPherson(?) strut set up like the 201? The suspension set up in the 201's is completley different to the earlier compact size MB's and there is no comparison possible. Like comparing a CDI Diesel to an non CDI engine. Also it has to be remebered that the 201 dominated touring car racing in Germany during the 80's, so even other four door European cars where not quite up there with the 201. Like a lot of other things, MB might not have invented it but they came close to perfecting it. Another factor is that MB designs cars for the autobahn, whereas Japan does not have a high speed road network. - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jul 19 19:48:05 2006 Received: from web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.37]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G3I1c-0004dx-GP for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:48:04 + Received: (qmail 47062 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jul 2006 19:47:55 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [71.233.182.93] by web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:47:54 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:47:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.7.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] the same old refrain... X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:48:06 - DOH! I was thinking of a kids 4wheeler that doesn't have shift gears. The automatic Hondas are similar. You're right a manual shift 4wheeler will have just a clutch. Same theory as the primary on a snowmobile though, maybe gunk in it? -Curt Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:07:56 -0400 From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] the same old refrain... To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I think I'm misunderstanding something... To my knowledge most Snowmobiles don't have gears, they just have the belt drive with something along the lines of cone shaped pulleys to allow for a more or less CVT setup. I believe Polaris uses this in their setup for 4-wheelers and some others. Most of the Hondas (at least in the past) have gears (usually 5 forward) and don't have belts. To my knowledge they have a centrifugal clutch like a go-kart or a chain-saw. Nothing that changes ratio, just slips (hopefully for a short period) when starting from a stop until it locks up. But then recently I read something in my manual to the effect that there is a multi-plate clutch that locks up at about 2k rpms maybe? Not quite sure I understand, but it sounds like the first clutch is used to slip from a stop until a certain speed when it locks in for sure with the second
[MBZ] I am in hell
So I decided to get back to messing with the enterprise again (380SE with euro 5.0 motor). Am in the middle of pulling the gas tank and going to pull one out of another car to put in it. Imagine it being 101 outside, unhooking the fuel lines from under the car, and having your arms and back covered with gasoline. That burns. Had to come in from a break but am fixing to go back out. I also noticed the tach was not workign on that car, what runs the tach on the gassers? The fuse seems ok. Tach was working fine before. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] I am in hell
I remember the day I picked up my old 300CD. Laying on burning hot gravel trying to disconnect the driveshaft so I could dolly the car home... the thermometer in the truck indicated about 105. Not fun. J.B. At 04:04 PM 7/19/2006, you wrote: So I decided to get back to messing with the enterprise again (380SE with euro 5.0 motor). Am in the middle of pulling the gas tank and going to pull one out of another car to put in it. Imagine it being 101 outside, unhooking the fuel lines from under the car, and having your arms and back covered with gasoline. That burns. Had to come in from a break but am fixing to go back out. I also noticed the tach was not workign on that car, what runs the tach on the gassers? The fuse seems ok. Tach was working fine before. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/391 - Release Date: 7/18/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/391 - Release Date: 7/18/2006
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 8, Issue 67
-- Message: 13 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:36:00 -0700 From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rod Bender To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Other than the slightly different glowplug system, I'm at a loss to think of too many reasons why a .96 can't be substituted for a .97 If I came upon a good deal for one of those rigs, that's exactly what I'd do. But then again, I'd rather stick with the E-class anyway. On 7/19/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NO! Marshall Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k) '84 300D (214k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG -- Dang! Roger _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Re: [MBZ] Rod Bender
Zeitgeist wrote: Other than the slightly different glowplug system, I'm at a loss to think of too many reasons why a .96 can't be substituted for a .97 If I came upon a good deal for one of those rigs, that's exactly what I'd do. But then again, I'd rather stick with the E-class anyway. The preglow system is different (not any big deal at all), the computer control is different, the EGR control is different, the wastegate is controlled differently, The ignition/fuel shutoff is electrical rather than just vacuum. There are LOTS of little things that MUST be addressed. They can probably all be solved, but it isn't a slip-in exchange. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] Mice are not your problem
The end days, they are a comin! Repent sinners or thou shall be foresaken...and stung repeatedly On 7/18/06, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You think you got problems with mice in your car, check this out http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060717/NEWS02/607170317/1009 Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k) '84 300D (214k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] Mice are not your problem
You got that right, bro -- for verification, check out this allahgator http://www.southflorida.com/news/chi-0607190265jul19,0,330718.story?coll=sfe-guide-headlines2 --R Zeitgeist wrote: The end days, they are a comin! Repent sinners or thou shall be foresaken...and stung repeatedly On 7/18/06, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You think you got problems with mice in your car, check this out http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060717/NEWS02/607170317/1009 Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k) '84 300D (214k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rod Bender
There must be a cutoff date for many of those things to appear, because I have an IP and turbo unit from a '90 or '91 603.97 engine, and none of their functions operate differently than my 603.96 engine. I'd be willing to bet the W140 w/603.97 engined cars all have the newer systems in place. On 7/19/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The preglow system is different (not any big deal at all), the computer control is different, the EGR control is different, the wastegate is controlled differently, The ignition/fuel shutoff is electrical rather than just vacuum. There are LOTS of little things that MUST be addressed. They can probably all be solved, but it isn't a slip-in exchange. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k) '84 300D (214k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] 201 front suspension help
Teh 201 was the first chassis with the current multi-link rear suspension and strut type front suspension, now quite common (all MB models, Volvo, and Ford 500s plus Chrysler models). Some changes in the latest ones, but essentially the same. The W126 is the older suspension, modified from the W116 chassis. Rear on the W126 is the older semi-trailing arm type. Nothing in common at all. Peter
Re: [MBZ] Jim C. refuses a hearing aid
Not exactly what you would call recent photos. What is all that white stuff in the background? Randy B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jim C. refuses a hearing aid 178,000 miles with only 80,000 on the rebuilt 3.0 liter 5 cyl.non-turbo motor (usually last 4-500,000 miles) This must be a very unusual car! Or maybe it lasted closer to the 4 miles? --R redghost wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/car/183240250.html -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
