Re: [MBZ] W126 power seat questions

2006-11-23 Thread Marshall Booth
kevin kraly wrote: CAIG D-5 Thanks, Marshall, for the info. Where can I find this cleaner? I've been told that some Radio Shacks carry it - or you can buy it directly from Caig. http://store.caig.com/ Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of

Re: [MBZ] Window Shopping.

2006-11-23 Thread E M
Well, I know for sure a 300SEL 6.3 was as was a 450SEL 6.9 Zeb On 22/11/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very cool. I never heard of that term and certainly would never had guessed. I guess my 1983 300TD and '70 280SE 3.5 coupe are both Q ships. On 11/22/06, David Brodbeck

Re: [MBZ] Door Seal Replacement

2006-11-23 Thread Jim Cathey
When I took the pin out of the door check strap, I noticed the other end of the check which, I suppose is supposed to be attached inside the door, was disconnected. I took the strap out of the hole in the door where it lives and the pin/roller thingy that should be in the door is bent into a C

Re: [MBZ] W126 seat interchangeability?

2006-11-23 Thread Jim Cathey
Where is the controller for the seats in my 300SD? What would keep the memory seats from working other than different connectors/different wiring? Regarding memories, I only want good ones with this car. Bolted to the bottom of the seat frame. If it were broken, I suppose it wouldn't work.

Re: [MBZ] Door Seal Replacement

2006-11-23 Thread Bob Rentfro
I reckon I'll order a new door check from Rusty. The door seal is attempting to kick my booty. That lower inside compound angle thingy has won for this evening. Too many people are now home for me to continue to do car work...the bad words carry into the house. The new radiator and hoses

Re: [MBZ] W126 seat interchangeability?

2006-11-23 Thread woodlandtaylors
Kevin, Don't know if you have stated the color of your seats. I have a parts SD with black seats and then a pair of grey leather from 420 or 560 that are in very good shape. Dennis T Woodland -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kevin kraly

Re: [MBZ] W126 seat interchangeability?

2006-11-23 Thread kevin kraly
Hi, Dennis! My seats are grey MB-Tex. However, the covers are good enough to use on other seats that are in better condition. . How much are you asking for either the black seats in your parts SD or the grey leather ones? Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1983 300SD 284K miles, Ursula PS. Is

[MBZ] om617 head bolt torque specs

2006-11-23 Thread Christopher McCann
howdy all! helping a friend put a head back on a 84 (i think) 300SD. book (chiltons or something) says 30 ft lbs, then 53 (i think) ft lbs, then wait ten minutes, THEN 90 degrees, then 90 more degrees. Frankly, this 90 degree stuff doesn't sound very German and it makes me nervous. Does

Re: [MBZ] om617 head bolt torque specs

2006-11-23 Thread Marshall Booth
Christopher McCann wrote: howdy all! helping a friend put a head back on a 84 (i think) 300SD. book (chiltons or something) says 30 ft lbs, then 53 (i think) ft lbs, then wait ten minutes, THEN 90 degrees, then 90 more degrees. Frankly, this 90 degree stuff doesn't sound very German and it

Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Testing

2006-11-23 Thread Marshall Booth
LarryT wrote: Howdy All, I went to Sears, Radio Shack, Home Depot and Lowes looking for a multimeter that will test DC current to at least 30A. No luck - Sears was sold out and the rest don't carry them. So, I'll order a tester and will be able to test the GP's as Jim C. described. When I

Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Testing

2006-11-23 Thread Mike Canfield
Not to argue but if the test light lights that seems to me to say that the glow plug is good due to the fact that the heat is created due to pwer being applied to the plug and then shorted to ground. If the light did not light that would indicate a broken circuit and therefore a bad plug.

Re: [MBZ] om617 head bolt torque specs

2006-11-23 Thread Christopher McCann
Marshall, thanks for your answer. The idiot at the indy parts desk said that these bolts are NOT torque to yield, so we are using the same bolts. You seem to be saying that they ARE torque to yield...so we need new bolts...and that also means that since we got half way throught the

[MBZ] Head Bolts

2006-11-23 Thread Frederick W Moir
Hi, All. The head bolts on MBZ engines are torque to yield. On both 601 and 602 engines I used genuine Rusty supplied head gaskets and reused the bolts. The bolts MUST be carefully measured to check that they are not stretched too much, RTFM. If they are within spec. they can be reused. I now

Re: [MBZ] om617 head bolt torque specs

2006-11-23 Thread Christopher McCann
It is an om617.951 born in 02/84 Where does that leave me? FYI 300SD W126.120 Thanks Chris Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: Marshall, thanks for your answer. The idiot at the indy parts desk said that these bolts are NOT torque to yield, so

Re: [MBZ] om617 head bolt torque specs

2006-11-23 Thread Christopher McCann
We have the12 point (double hex) bolts. Chris Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: It is an om617.951 born in 02/84 Where does that leave me? FYI 300SD W126.120 Thanks Chris Marshall Booth wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: Marshall, thanks for your

Re: [MBZ] W126 seat interchangeability?

2006-11-23 Thread woodlandtaylors
Kevin, Not sure on the black MB-Tex condition will have to look. The leather ones were purchased for my SEC, I paid a $100 each for them plus shipping. Had them shipped to Portland trucking terminal picked them up they were on a pallet nicely packaged got them to the house unpacked them and low

Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Testing

2006-11-23 Thread OK Don
A plug can (on a rare occasion) fail in a shorted out mode. The loop of wire that heats with current (glows) usually breaks to an open circuit condition. Sometimes more resistance develops in the plug (I don't know how), which reduces the current, keeping the plug from getting as hot as it

Re: [MBZ] om617 head bolt torque specs

2006-11-23 Thread Peter Frederick
90 degrees, they are stretch bolts and you are pre-tensioning them to keep the head gasket compressed hot and cold. This is fairly normal European practice, especially with aluminum heads. Peter

Re: [MBZ] om617 head bolt torque specs

2006-11-23 Thread OK Don
It depends on the engine - read the appropriate manual. The bolts for my aluminum headed 117 engine are torque, loosen, re-torque. Other engines are turn 90 degrees. Use the right bolts for the engine, and tighten them per the manual. On 11/22/06, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 90

Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Testing

2006-11-23 Thread Peter Frederick
There are several failure modes on the pencil type plugs, which actually have a resistance heating element suspended inside the metal shell, attached at the tip and at the electrode in the base. They can indeed melt at the tip. They can fail at the weld in the tip (Champion 12V that really

Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Testing

2006-11-23 Thread JFreezn
In a message dated 11/22/2006 7:43:07 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I went to Sears, Radio Shack, Home Depot and Lowes looking for a multimeter that will test DC current to at least 30A. Autozone was clearing out some 30 amp ad on amp meters for $6 each.

Re: [MBZ] Door Seal Replacement

2006-11-23 Thread Jim Cathey
The door seal is attempting to kick my booty. That lower inside compound angle thingy has won for this evening. Soapy water can be an assembly aid. As is a butter knife for tucking it into the channel. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] om617 head bolt torque specs

2006-11-23 Thread Jim Cathey
THEN 90 degrees, then 90 more degrees. Frankly, this 90 degree stuff doesn't sound very German and it makes me nervous. Does anybody know what the actual specs (ft lbs or nM) are for the last two cranks? So far as I know, _any_ bolt with a degree specification rather than torque is not a

Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Testing

2006-11-23 Thread Jim Cathey
engine. Just disconnect the wire going to each glow plug. Connect a test light to the POSITIVE (+) battery terminal and touch the point of the test light to each glow plug terminal. If the light lights, it's good. If it doesn't, it's bad and needs to be replaced...So, my question is will this

Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Testing

2006-11-23 Thread Jim Cathey
Just hook the amp meter in series with your cars battery positive connection. No need to buy an expensive DC amps accessory for your VOM. The expensive accessory also has other uses, such as (quickly) checking the output of your alternator, or determining starter current draw. It's a good

Re: [MBZ] Head Bolts

2006-11-23 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 22:41:37 -0500 Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, All. The head bolts on MBZ engines are torque to yield. On both 601 and 602 engines I used genuine Rusty supplied head gaskets and reused the bolts. The bolts MUST be carefully measured to check that they are

Re: [MBZ] W126 seat interchangeability?

2006-11-23 Thread kevin kraly
Hi, Dennis. $200 for both of the seats is fair. I would like to compare them to those in your 300SD's to check the wiring. I remember my dad modifying a Cadillac seat to fit in our 1971 Buick Riviera. The seat had the power switches on the side where the Riviera had them in the arm rest.

[MBZ] Happy Thanksgiving

2006-11-23 Thread Zoltan Finks
Just wanted to wish alla youz a very happy Thanksgiving! I happened to fire up and tool around in the 240D tonight (it's pretty much stored for the winter, but the roads are dry and fairly clean of sand). What a joy it is to drive! Brian 83 240D

Re: [MBZ] [MB] Happy Thanksgiving

2006-11-23 Thread degcoast
And Happy Thanksgiving to you Brian and to the rest of the list. Enjoy your MB's whether driving safely or working on them ; alas-I have to make a 6 hour drive in a Forester because the dogs are not allowed in the 90 300D 2.5- and Thanksgiving would be over by the time we got here if we took

Re: [MBZ] Happy Thanksgiving

2006-11-23 Thread James Zavesky
We would also like to wish Brian and the great people that subscribe to this list a Happy Thanksgiving and joyful Holiday Season! Jim Deb - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 3:13

Re: [MBZ] W126 seat interchangeability?

2006-11-23 Thread woodlandtaylors
Kevin, I'll be around most of the weekend although Friday may have to do a company job. I have a 1987 420 SEL don't know if it has the memory seats in it.the 300CE does but nobody uses them, don't even know if they work. Will check the gray leather seats for the electricsI thought

Re: [MBZ] Happy Thanksgiving

2006-11-23 Thread Mike Canfield
Happy Turkey Day to you as well..Thanks and glad you can enjoy your Benz.THe 123 Chassis is my favorite. Mike - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 3:13 AM Subject: [MBZ]

[MBZ] E300D troubles continue

2006-11-23 Thread Hans Neureiter
Lately I seem to be fighting a never ending battle with this car. Finally the lost shipment from Rusty arrived and I fixed the air leak in the fuel system (fuel line seals and a new manual shut-off valve). While I was waiting for the injection system to purge and the motor smoothed out (~10

Re: [MBZ] Happy Thanksgiving

2006-11-23 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Happpy Thanksgiving from the Okie crew. Mike Canfield wrote: Happy Turkey Day to you as well..Thanks and glad you can enjoy your Benz.THe 123 Chassis is my favorite. Mike - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List

Re: [MBZ] E300D troubles continue

2006-11-23 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
When you get ready to sell, and not saying you should, just when you get ready, let me know. Hans Neureiter wrote: Lately I seem to be fighting a never ending battle with this car. Finally the lost shipment from Rusty arrived and I fixed the air leak in the fuel system (fuel line seals and a

Re: [MBZ] E300D troubles continue

2006-11-23 Thread Zeitgeist
$501 On 11/23/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you get ready to sell, and not saying you should, just when you get ready, let me know. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k) '84 300D

[MBZ] OT: German Shepherd Dogs [was Re: my engine is back to normal :-)]

2006-11-23 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 06:06:14 -0800 (PST) Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OT: My new German Shepherd is about 22 weeks old and 55 pounds. Pretty good size for a female. She LOVES to ride in the Benzes. Curls up on the floor in front of the passenger seat. She goes well with

Re: [MBZ] E300D troubles continue

2006-11-23 Thread Hans Neureiter
This car is to nice to 'give' to you. I just need to get over this spell. And I will. I have a good indy. Evaporator replacement was $ 1,500, including parts. On 11/23/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you get ready to sell, and not saying you should, just when you get

Re: [MBZ] E300D troubles continue

2006-11-23 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
geez, give me some credit. I sometimes pay more than that. Zeitgeist wrote: $501 On 11/23/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you get ready to sell, and not saying you should, just when you get ready, let me know. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90

Re: [MBZ] E300D troubles continue

2006-11-23 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I never said give, I said sell. You got a good deal on the evap. Hans Neureiter wrote: This car is to nice to 'give' to you. I just need to get over this spell. And I will. I have a good indy. Evaporator replacement was $ 1,500, including parts. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D

Re: [MBZ] Happy Thanksgiving

2006-11-23 Thread OK Don
Ditto -- the turkey's in the oven, it's anticipation time now --- Wishing you all something to be thankful for today, where ever you are. On 11/23/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Happpy Thanksgiving from the Okie crew. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do

Re: [MBZ] om617 head bolt torque specs

2006-11-23 Thread Marshall Booth
Christopher McCann wrote: We have the12 point (double hex) bolts. All of the double hex bolts are stretch bolts and must be given the two 90 degree turns (after they are properly torqued) to properly set them! Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of

Re: [MBZ] E300D troubles continue

2006-11-23 Thread OK Don
I think you're going to need to get the car up so that you can get under it while the engine is running to see where the oil is coming from. If I had to guess, I'd say it was an oil cooler line spraying onto the side of the pan. This would only happen under pressure. There might be an oil level

Re: [MBZ] Head Bolts

2006-11-23 Thread Marshall Booth
Frederick W Moir wrote: Hi, All. The head bolts on MBZ engines are torque to yield. NOT true! After the mid '80s that may be true (I'm not sure) but before then there were many that were NOT torque to yield. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of

Re: [MBZ] om617 head bolt torque specs

2006-11-23 Thread OK Don
I remember seeing a picture of a special tool in an earlier MB paper manual - it was a wrench with a degree scale to measure the angle of twist, so you could get the 90 degrees accurately. The bolts holding the flywheel onto the crank of the 615 engine were torque to XX NM, then 90 degrees more.

[MBZ] OT - Road food

2006-11-23 Thread Kris Gilmore
Here is a site that may be of interest to you folks who like to try local eating places when you travel: www.roadfood.com I discovered the site when my wife and I went for a big date to a place that recently opened in Moundsville WV, Hocutt's Carolina Barbeque. The owner was

Re: [MBZ] E300D troubles continue

2006-11-23 Thread Marshall Booth
OK Don wrote: I think you're going to need to get the car up so that you can get under it while the engine is running to see where the oil is coming from. If I had to guess, I'd say it was an oil cooler line spraying onto the side of the pan. This would only happen under pressure. There might be

Re: [MBZ] om617 head bolt torque specs

2006-11-23 Thread Peter Frederick
The torque is irrelevant, what you are doing is loading a spring. In fact, the torque will not change much as you turn the bolts. The bolts are elastic -- by applying a pre-determined amount of stretch to them you are ensuring that they will always have a correct holding together pressure.

Re: [MBZ] E300D troubles continue

2006-11-23 Thread Chris Kueny
Uh oh. The vultures are circling. Chris K Cayce, SC When you get ready to sell, and not saying you should, just when you get ready, let me know.

Re: [MBZ] E300D troubles continue

2006-11-23 Thread OK Don
This is our demented way of acknowledging that someone has GREAT car! It's kind of a compliment. On 11/23/06, Chris Kueny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh oh. The vultures are circling. When you get ready to sell, and not saying you should, just when you get ready, let me know. -- OK Don,

Re: [MBZ] E300D troubles continue

2006-11-23 Thread Hans Neureiter
* I think you're going to need to get the car up so that you can get under it while the engine is running to see where the oil is coming from.* I was unerneath. The oil is coming from above the pan. The mating surface of the timing case to the block is directly straight up there. Can't see up

Re: [MBZ] E300D troubles continue

2006-11-23 Thread Marshall Booth
Hans Neureiter wrote: * I think you're going to need to get the car up so that you can get under it while the engine is running to see where the oil is coming from.* I was unerneath. The oil is coming from above the pan. The mating surface of the timing case to the block is directly straight

Re: [MBZ] E300D troubles continue

2006-11-23 Thread Marshall Booth
Marshall Booth wrote: I've had injection pump O rings occur on two of the seven OM60x engines I've owned. Should read: I've had injection pump O ring leaks occur on two of the seven OM60x engines I've owned. Oil dribbles out rather rapidly when the engine is running. Marshall --

Re: [MBZ] E300D troubles continue

2006-11-23 Thread LarryT
The WSM shows a Oil-Water Heat Exchanger attaching to the passenger (left from seat) side of the front sump cover. Perhaps the gasket has started leaking or one of the lines has come loose or become damaged? If the oil is coming from the pulley area it's likely the front main seal but they

Re: [MBZ] om617 head bolt torque specs

2006-11-23 Thread LarryT
What Peter said ;-) And *THAT's* why bolts such as these typically are called to be replaced with each use. Usually head bolts and flywheel bolts - and others. They make *look* ok - but since they've been stretched they need to be renewed to make the 90 degree torque accurate. MB has been

Re: [MBZ] E300D troubles continue

2006-11-23 Thread Marshall Booth
Marshall Booth wrote: Marshall Booth wrote: I've had injection pump O rings occur on two of the seven OM60x engines I've owned. Should read: I've had injection pump O ring leaks occur on two of the seven OM60x engines I've owned. Oil dribbles out rather rapidly when the engine is

Re: [MBZ] OT: German Shepherd Dogs [was Re: my engine is back to normal :-)]

2006-11-23 Thread Christopher McCann
Thanks for sharing that, Craig. I am sorry to hear that your wife has seizures. I have recently just read about seizure dogs. IT IS AMAZING. I could not believe what I was reading! For those who don't know, seizure alert dogs can tell when a person is about to have a seizure BEFORE the

Re: [MBZ] W126 seat interchangeability?

2006-11-23 Thread kevin kraly
That's great if the plugs are the same ((just slap them in and go)! The only other pressing thing on this car is brakes. I think it's got a warped rotor or two because when the brakes are applied, I can feel pulsation through the car. The pads are doing OK since there's no squeaking or

Re: [MBZ] W126 seat interchangeability?

2006-11-23 Thread woodlandtaylors
That will be fine Kevin I'll make sure I'm here. I probably have some brand new brake rotors for the SD here. Dennis -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kevin kraly Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 1:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List

Re: [MBZ] om617 head bolt torque specs

2006-11-23 Thread Russ Williams
My Indy just bought a Snap-On torque Wrench wit Digital Display. Doesn't Click when you reach your setting it Buzzes and Vibrates. Reads out in Deg., Ft. Lbs, Inch Lbs, And Newton Meters. Cool Torque Wrench but at 400 bucks not for the DYI'er unless you have money to burn. The Newer MB V-8's

[MBZ] Thanksgiving

2006-11-23 Thread R A Bennell
Y'all must do your posting at work. I expected the list to be busy today but it is dead. Here you are on a holiday with no stores open to shop and you aren't even posting about your old MB's. Randy - in Canada - at work

Re: [MBZ] Thanksgiving

2006-11-23 Thread Jim Cathey
OK, here you go, some stuff about our 190D: November 22, 2006 On my wife's road trip yesterday she complained that the passenger seat would go back but not forwards, she ended up putting our boy in the front 'cause she'd managed to eliminate his legroom in the rear. So this morning I removed