Re: [MBZ] All I want for Christmas is heat

2006-12-09 Thread Steve MacSween
on 12/8/06 4:29 PM, Donald Snook at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sometime ago several folks suggested that I needed a monovalve on my
 1990 300SEL.  I have no heat.  The blower motor blows but it is only
 cold air coming out.  It comes out the vents.  Do I need a monovalve? If
 so, how do I put one in.  Someone sent me a link to replacing it, but I
 could not open the link.

You replace the piston insert and seals/washers inside the valve using a
rebuild kit. It's an easy (20 minutes or less) job and won't be a huge pain
even if done outside at this time of year.

If your SEL has the monvalve in the same place as my '82 SD, it's to the
right of the battery, inside the false firewall area. Top comes off with
four screws, DON'T DROP THEM 'cause you'll never see them again in there.
Pull the assembly out, lay it on a flat surface and match up the pieces from
the rebuild kit, then put it back in. Did I say 20, more like 10 minutes
probably.

I found this link that covers the procedure on an SL, same valve different
car:
http://www.zianet.com/SLlover/page62g.html

Cheers

Mac




Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Black smoke

2006-12-09 Thread Peter Frederick

No air equals black smoke

Could also be late injection timing, bad nozzles, low compression, or 
any combination of these.


Peter




Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil useage

2006-12-09 Thread Peter Frederick
What is the condition of the oil trap in the air filter?  I believe you 
said it was OK, but don't remember.  If split or leaking, it will dump 
quite a bit of oil down the intake -- ditto if the valve at the bottom 
of the return tube is bad, it can actually suck oil up out of the 
crankcase at road speeds.


Bad turbo is the next suspect -- these engines will burn very large 
amounts of oil without smoke if it happens under load and not idle.


Peter




[MBZ] MAUSER, was HIGHLY OT: Re: Ritter vs Stern

2006-12-09 Thread Hans Neureiter

Lets shoot at a MOOSE

On 12/8/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


snip

then we go out back with the Mausers and shoot at moving trucks



--
Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX
'82 300SD, '95 E300D


Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil useage

2006-12-09 Thread Luther
WHA?  Valve at the bottom of the return tube?  Didn't know there was one 
there..are you talking oil return tube???
The oil trap was swapped out with one from the 74kmi '82 300D and no change.  
Turbo has been swapped also.

On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 18:54:06 -0600, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What is the condition of the oil trap in the air filter?  I believe you
 said it was OK, but don't remember.  If split or leaking, it will dump
 quite a bit of oil down the intake -- ditto if the valve at the bottom
 of the return tube is bad, it can actually suck oil up out of the
 crankcase at road speeds.

 Bad turbo is the next suspect -- these engines will burn very large
 amounts of oil without smoke if it happens under load and not idle.

 Peter






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'87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case?
'83 300SD (241 kmi)
'82 300CD (162 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work
'85 300D (280,176) parts car



Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil useage

2006-12-09 Thread Peter Frederick
Yup, there is supposed to be a foot valve on the air filter oil return 
line, I do believe (although I've been wrong a lot lately).


The guts have to be in place in the oil trap, too -- it's a 
centrifugal filter, so the inlet pipe must be at an angle.  Don't 
remember what it looks like any more, but it's not just a metal box.


Was that a NEW or REBUILT turbo, or one off another car, unchecked?  
Oil leaking out the front seal will get burned, and you will have to 
dump HUGE quantities in there to see smoke.  Out the back, you get blue 
smoke on acceleration.


Check the rotation of the compressor wheel with the engine off (and 
check for excessive oil at the same time) -- it must turn freely with 
light finger pressure, with no axial play (a bit of side to side play 
is acceptable, they are floating bearings), and NO binding in 
rotation.  Stiff spots, however slight, indicate toasted bearings and 
seals.  A gasser turbo will spin for a long time after you flip it with 
a finger, but in my limited experience, MB diesel turbos are a bit 
stiffer and won't spin if you flip the wheel.  They do rotate with 
light fingertip pressure.  If it takes much effort to move turn the 
compressor wheel, the bearings (and seals) are shot.


Peter




[MBZ] Cold Drivers Door Hard to Close

2006-12-09 Thread Bob Rentfro
Every winter (I, of course, use that term loosly by back east brothers) my 
drivers door becomes difficult to close. I almost have to slam it shut when 
temps get below 50 or so. Now it is even more difficult just having replaced 
the door seal. When it's warm out, it closes fine. 
What's this nonsense? Is there a means to adjust the door? I have a new striker 
assembly lying around...should I replace the old one?

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 164K
Litchfield Park, AZ
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On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 07:54:50PM -0700, Bob Rentfro wrote:
 Every winter (I, of course, use that term loosly by back east brothers) my 
 drivers door becomes difficult to close. I almost have to slam it shut when 
 temps get below 50 or so. Now it is even more difficult just having replaced 
 the door seal. When it's warm out, it closes fine.
 What's this nonsense? Is there a means to adjust the door? I have a new 
 striker assembly lying around...should I replace the old one?

Catch strap starting to get tired perhaps? Grease is more viscous as
temperature drops.

K



Re: [MBZ] Cold Drivers Door Hard to Close

2006-12-09 Thread Bob Rentfro
Catch strap or door check is currently out of the car having just last 
week replaced the door seal.


Bob R


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cold Drivers Door Hard to Close



On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 07:54:50PM -0700, Bob Rentfro wrote:
Every winter (I, of course, use that term loosly by back east brothers) 
my drivers door becomes difficult to close. I almost have to slam it shut 
when temps get below 50 or so. Now it is even more difficult just having 
replaced the door seal. When it's warm out, it closes fine.
What's this nonsense? Is there a means to adjust the door? I have a new 
striker assembly lying around...should I replace the old one?


Catch strap starting to get tired perhaps? Grease is more viscous as
temperature drops.

K

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[MBZ] Scary pix pinched from the Ritter list

2006-12-09 Thread RELNGSON
http://www.dieselgiant.com/Mercedes%20flex%20disc%20failure.htm


Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Black smoke

2006-12-09 Thread OK Don

There's also the control rod adjustments -- that engine (OM605) has a
throttle plate - if the rods are out of whack, it might be closed
more than it should, thus restricting the air. It's covered in the
manual, which I no longer own ---

On 12/8/06, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

No air equals black smoke

Could also be late injection timing, bad nozzles, low compression, or
any combination of these.

Peter



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Norman, OK
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[MBZ] FW: 1987 Mercedes-Benz 300-Series 124 - $3500

2006-12-09 Thread woodlandtaylors
Here's the response to the 1987 300DT for sale in Portland Oregon and
Seattle Washington.

http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/car/245072178.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/245041508.html

This car gets around.

Dennis T


-Original Message-
From: Robert Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 12:19 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: re: 1987 Mercedes-Benz 300-Series 124 - $3500

Hi there, Im Rober Smith the owner of the 1987 Mercedes-Benz 300-Series 
124 - $3500
Sorry for the delay i was very busy these days.
The car is exactly as described in very good condition, no flaws or 
dents, no scratches or any kind of damage, no flood or wrecked.
In excelent shape and clear title the car passed the test emissions and 
comes with all the documents you need for registration.
I have it listed on ebay sweden too you can see it here: 
http://www.ebay.se/viItem?ItemId=280058703023
This transaction will be done thru eBays Motors Protection Program, I 
always choose ebay to protect my deals.
I have a Purchase Protection Account for $20,000 with eBay so everything 
will be smooth and safe.
I'll look forward to hear from you if still interested in this car.
More photos you can see at http://blacksand.5u.com/merc87/

Best regards,
Robert Smith




[MBZ] What a Nut

2006-12-09 Thread Bob Rentfro
There's some clown on a Yahoo video who has glued pens to his 300SD. I'm a 
computer dolt so I don't know how to put a link in a post.
If you frequent Yahoo, give it a gander...I don't think this guy is hooked up 
right.

Bob R
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Turbo was from the '82 300D with 74kmi in unknown condition.  Both the original 
turbo and the current one have no axial play but do have slight side to side.  
Tell me more about the foot valve.  Is there one on the turbo oil return line 
also?

Luther

On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 20:20:05 -0600, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yup, there is supposed to be a foot valve on the air filter oil return
 line, I do believe (although I've been wrong a lot lately).

 The guts have to be in place in the oil trap, too -- it's a
 centrifugal filter, so the inlet pipe must be at an angle.  Don't
 remember what it looks like any more, but it's not just a metal box.

 Was that a NEW or REBUILT turbo, or one off another car, unchecked?
 Oil leaking out the front seal will get burned, and you will have to
 dump HUGE quantities in there to see smoke.  Out the back, you get blue
 smoke on acceleration.

 Check the rotation of the compressor wheel with the engine off (and
 check for excessive oil at the same time) -- it must turn freely with
 light finger pressure, with no axial play (a bit of side to side play
 is acceptable, they are floating bearings), and NO binding in
 rotation.  Stiff spots, however slight, indicate toasted bearings and
 seals.  A gasser turbo will spin for a long time after you flip it with
 a finger, but in my limited experience, MB diesel turbos are a bit
 stiffer and won't spin if you flip the wheel.  They do rotate with
 light fingertip pressure.  If it takes much effort to move turn the
 compressor wheel, the bearings (and seals) are shot.

 Peter



--
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'87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case?
'83 300SD (241 kmi)
'82 300CD (162 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work
'85 300D (280,176) parts car



Re: [MBZ] Scary pix pinched from the Ritter list

2006-12-09 Thread Luther
How the %#$*# fast were they going when that thing cut loose?  #(#%)($#%'in 
morons!  I've had several u-joint failures in my pre-MB days, and it's not that 
hard to pull over and call a wrecker when you hear that rhythmic thumping start 
up suddenly.geeze.

On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 21:12:44 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://www.dieselgiant.com/Mercedes%20flex%20disc%20failure.htm




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'87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case?
'83 300SD (241 kmi)
'82 300CD (162 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work
'85 300D (280,176) parts car



Re: [MBZ] Red dash light for Battery is staying on

2006-12-09 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 8 Dec 2006 09:30:37 -0800 Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 06:47:04AM -0800, Jim Cathey wrote:
  OK, I'll try to trim it down a bit once...
  
  A bad diode can.  The circuit has already been adequately described,
  perhaps a bad ASCII schematic?
 
 Okay, that has to be the most awesome ASCII art I've seen in a long
 time.

Indeed! And Jim has a job now, so his spare time is limited!


Craig



[MBZ] Mixed Prairie Grasses Better Source of Biofuel Than Corn Ethanol and Soybean Biodiesel

2006-12-09 Thread Craig McCluskey
http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=108206


Craig



Re: [MBZ] Red dash light for Battery is staying on

2006-12-09 Thread Jim Cathey

On Fri, 8 Dec 2006 09:30:37 -0800 Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

that has to be the most awesome ASCII art I've seen in a long time.


Not that special.  Now if the _other_ Kevin was impressed, well
then...

Trimmed and it _still_ got messed with a bit, but not bad enough
to ruin it this time.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] Cold Drivers Door Hard to Close

2006-12-09 Thread Jim Cathey
Every winter (I, of course, use that term loosly by back east 
brothers) my drivers door becomes difficult to close. I almost have to 
slam it shut when temps get below 50 or so.


Try a shot of spray lube in the latch mechanism.  Or it could just
be out of adjustment.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Black smoke

2006-12-09 Thread Jim Cathey

When car is idling and running what can Black smoke indicate?


Truly voluminous clouds and a fast idle too?  The manifold
vacuum line to the injection pump is open and the engine is
getting WOT fueling at all times, only the throttle butterfly
is keeping it from redlining.  BTDT.  You can actually drive
it back home with judicious use of the dash shutoff knob to
modulate the fuel down some.

Prolly not what you mean, though.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] FW: 1987 Mercedes-Benz 300-Series 124 - $3500

2006-12-09 Thread Alex Chamberlain

Ebay Sweden?

On 12/8/06, woodlandtaylors [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Here's the response to the 1987 300DT for sale in Portland Oregon and
Seattle Washington.

http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/car/245072178.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/245041508.html

This car gets around.

Dennis T


-Original Message-
From: Robert Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 12:19 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: re: 1987 Mercedes-Benz 300-Series 124 - $3500

Hi there, Im Rober Smith the owner of the 1987 Mercedes-Benz 300-Series
124 - $3500
Sorry for the delay i was very busy these days.
The car is exactly as described in very good condition, no flaws or
dents, no scratches or any kind of damage, no flood or wrecked.
In excelent shape and clear title the car passed the test emissions and
comes with all the documents you need for registration.
I have it listed on ebay sweden too you can see it here:
http://www.ebay.se/viItem?ItemId=280058703023
This transaction will be done thru eBays Motors Protection Program, I
always choose ebay to protect my deals.
I have a Purchase Protection Account for $20,000 with eBay so everything
will be smooth and safe.
I'll look forward to hear from you if still interested in this car.
More photos you can see at http://blacksand.5u.com/merc87/

Best regards,
Robert Smith


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Re: [MBZ] Cold Drivers Door Hard to Close

2006-12-09 Thread Fmiser
rumor has it that Bob wrote:

 Every winter (I, of course, use that term loosly by back east
 brothers) my drivers door becomes difficult to close. I almost have
 to slam it shut when temps get below 50 or so. Now it is even more
 difficult just having replaced the door seal. When it's warm out, it
 closes fine.  What's this nonsense? Is there a means to adjust the
 door? I have a new striker assembly lying around...should I replace
 the old one?

Not that temp as anything to do with it, but one of my cars, I had a
door that required a healthy slam to get it shut. Testing with spare
parts showed that it was not the latch on the door itself like I first
thought, but the strike on the door jam.

So based on my _one_ experience, I'd try that first - and it's a lot
easier to get at than any other part of the latch assembly!

-- Philip, in the snow 



Re: [MBZ] Door Adjustment...WAS Cold Drivers Door Hard to Close

2006-12-09 Thread Bob Rentfro

I shall give 'er a squirt and see what happens. Thanks, Jim.
BTW, how do you adjust the doors? 


Bob R.
'77 300D

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Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 12:54 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cold Drivers Door Hard to Close


Every winter (I, of course, use that term loosly by back east 
brothers) my drivers door becomes difficult to close. I almost have to 
slam it shut when temps get below 50 or so.


Try a shot of spray lube in the latch mechanism.  Or it could just
be out of adjustment.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Cold Drivers Door Hard to Close

2006-12-09 Thread Bob Rentfro

I reckon I'll change it out if the the squirt of lube doesn't do the trick.


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Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 2:21 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cold Drivers Door Hard to Close



rumor has it that Bob wrote:


Every winter (I, of course, use that term loosly by back east
brothers) my drivers door becomes difficult to close. I almost have
to slam it shut when temps get below 50 or so. Now it is even more
difficult just having replaced the door seal. When it's warm out, it
closes fine.  What's this nonsense? Is there a means to adjust the
door? I have a new striker assembly lying around...should I replace
the old one?


Not that temp as anything to do with it, but one of my cars, I had a
door that required a healthy slam to get it shut. Testing with spare
parts showed that it was not the latch on the door itself like I first
thought, but the strike on the door jam.

So based on my _one_ experience, I'd try that first - and it's a lot
easier to get at than any other part of the latch assembly!

-- Philip, in the snow 


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Re: [MBZ] Door Adjustment...WAS Cold Drivers Door Hard to Close

2006-12-09 Thread LarryT

Bob,
My drivers door was difficult to close - there's a bracket on the door post 
with a hole in it for the lock mechanism on the door to fit into - mine had 
some debris in the hole making the door difficult to close at time - check 
that first.  A few drops of some gelling oil helps to make the lock 
operation easier.


Good luck -

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Door Adjustment...WAS Cold Drivers Door Hard to Close



I shall give 'er a squirt and see what happens. Thanks, Jim.
BTW, how do you adjust the doors?

Bob R.
'77 300D

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cold Drivers Door Hard to Close



Every winter (I, of course, use that term loosly by back east
brothers) my drivers door becomes difficult to close. I almost have to
slam it shut when temps get below 50 or so.


Try a shot of spray lube in the latch mechanism.  Or it could just
be out of adjustment.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Door Adjustment...WAS Cold Drivers Door Hard to Close

2006-12-09 Thread Jim Cathey

I shall give 'er a squirt and see what happens. Thanks, Jim.
BTW, how do you adjust the doors?


Wrenches?  The striker in the door frame adjusts, as do the
hinges.  You don't touch the hinges unless the door doesn't
look aligned correctly at the front and the top versus bottom.
The striker moves to adjust the trailing edge of the door.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] Cold Drivers Door Hard to Close

2006-12-09 Thread Peter Frederick
Most likely the striker plate is out of adjustment (or the door has 
sagged a bit on the hinges).  I would recommend having someone with 
the correct tool adjust the striker, it can be a real PITA without it.


Lubricate the latch assembly as well, I think white lithium grease is 
the correct stuff.


Peter




[MBZ] 83 300SD htr blr ?

2006-12-09 Thread Henry Kolesnik
Hey guys
Long time no problems, the old tank has been running fine but it only has 
1227,000 miles on it.  A hailstorm pock the hood, roof and trunk and the 
insurance settlement wasn't any good.  But lately the heater blower hardly ever 
blows and it has been cold.  No blow any setting or push buttons or fan 
setting.  Ocassionaly comes on when it wants to.  Fuses replaced.  Any tips 
appreciated so I can fix it while its warmer oustide.
tnx

73
Hank WD5JFR
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 insurance settlement wasn't any good.  But lately the heater blower
 hardly ever blows and it has been cold.  No blow any setting or push
 buttons or fan setting.  Ocassionaly comes on when it wants to.

Intermittent blower can be bad solder joints in PB array, or bad
blower brushes.  Ditto on the PB array for no heat, or a bad monovalve
insert.  Common thread is PB array solder joints, but both of the
other could be bad instead, it's certainly common enough.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] Mixed Prairie Grasses Better Source of Biofuel Than Corn Ethanol and Soybean Biodiesel

2006-12-09 Thread Rich Thomas
As I drive the interstates, I marvel at how much land is there that 
could be used for biofuels (wood, these grasses, etc.), or food for that 
matter, if they were farmed for such.  The grass is mowed anyway, just 
bale it up and haul it off.  Fertilize it with sludge from sewage plants 
or pig farms or whatever, it is not going to be used for human 
consumption. I can't see where there would be any additional safety 
issues.  The airport here in Houston is working on a plan to raise hay 
on the airport land, figure it could generate a few million a year (the 
airport is huge and getting huger).  I saw a guy this week baling grass 
he was cutting alongside an interstate exit (hay for horses is 
apparently expensive this time of year) -- a biofuel for horses!  Made 
sense to me.  A bit of creativity would go some good ways I think. 

Hey, and with Algorlobal warming going on, the growing season is just 
gonna get better!


--R (my lawn is neutralizing my carbon as we speak)

Craig McCluskey wrote:

http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=108206


Craig

  





Re: [MBZ] Saab goes over 1 Million Miles

2006-12-09 Thread Tyler Backman

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Several volvos have crossed 2 million on the same engine with new  
rings.


Tyler

On Dec 8, 2006, at 9:19 AM, Donald Snook wrote:


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16070928/?GT1=8816

I know there have been some Benzes to reach the million mile mark  
and I

heard about a Volkswagen Beetle cross 2 Million miles (more than one
engine).  My Uncle had a Chevy Pickup with 700K miles, but I have  
never

heard of a Saab.



Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 133K

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Re: [MBZ] Mixed Prairie Grasses Better Source of Biofuel Than Corn Ethanol and Soybean Biodiesel

2006-12-09 Thread kevin kraly
I heard this little blurb on the radio about some doctor taking fat from 
liposuctions and making biodiesel out of it.  Frier oil can now be used even 
after it's been eaten.


Kevin in Hillsboro OR
1983 300sD 284K miles, Ursula 





Re: [MBZ] Mixed Prairie Grasses Better Source of Biofuel Than Corn Ethanol and Soybean Biodiesel

2006-12-09 Thread Marshall Booth

 Pittsburgh will convert all of its 300-vehicle fleet to cleaner-burning, 
less-polluting biodiesel within the next three years, with fuel produced on the 
North Side using waste vegetable oil and grease from Heinz Field snack bars.


Marshall

--
Marshall Booth Ph.D.
Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
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Re: [MBZ] Mixed Prairie Grasses Better Source of Biofuel Than Corn Ethanol and Soybean Biodiesel

2006-12-09 Thread Rich Thomas
But I'm sure the Heinz field will charge them $7 for a 12 oz cup of used 
grease.  Might make the bio-d kinda expensive.


--R

Marshall Booth wrote:

 Pittsburgh will convert all of its 300-vehicle fleet to cleaner-burning, 
less-polluting biodiesel within the next three years, with fuel produced on the 
North Side using waste vegetable oil and grease from Heinz Field snack bars.



Marshall

  


[MBZ] Check out A Mercedes Pens? on Yahoo! Video

2006-12-09 Thread Robert
Robert thought you might be interested in this video on Yahoo! Video:
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=c860df3ccf66c83fb61bb2ffd934330b.1213055fr=yvmtf

Robert added this message:
Hopefully I don't commit some henious list mistake by trying to share this 
lunitic's ride

Bob R