Re: [MBZ] was: rubbing compound on hood, now Correct Way to Wax

2007-01-13 Thread Zoltan Finks
Me too! I always get quite a bit of material on the towel as I laboriously scrub (the work is much harder if the paint job is worse off). And the material I get on the towel is the color of the paint - I understood it to be the oxidation coming off or something like it. Frankly, I've never fully

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality

2007-01-13 Thread Gary Hurst
"junk" may not be the right word (except, well, in the case of MLs). consider the question in these terms. are they like the mercedes that we drive and love or are they something quite different? say you were a fairly affluent fellow in the market for a "luxury" car 35 years ago. you go to the

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality

2007-01-13 Thread David Brodbeck
LarryT wrote: > Bob wrote< seems it's not that way anymore>> > > You know, the internet has changed things more ways that we can even dream - > communication is probably one of the biggest changes - I wonder if perhaps > owners who have problems have a better way to publicize their problems than

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality

2007-01-13 Thread LarryT
Bob wrote> You know, the internet has changed things more ways that we can even dream - communication is probably one of the biggest changes - I wonder if perhaps owners who have problems have a better way to publicize their problems than before? Before the Ne

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality

2007-01-13 Thread Werner Fehlauer
Dimitri - what people (and especially taxi drivers) are able to buy in Europe is something completely different from what MBUSA is offering. And you won't find hardly ANY M-B taxis in the USA. In Europe, you can purchase a basic car, manual transmission, cloth upholstery, steel wheels, much les

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality

2007-01-13 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
And speaking of build quality and reliability, what about Toyota who claims to lead in both? I find it rare to find a 10 yr old Toyota pickup which is not perforated with rust or a 10 yr old lexus leather interior which is not torn and deteriorated almost beyond recognition. Dimitri --- LarryT <[

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality

2007-01-13 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
If MB is selling more cars than ever before, how can they be junk? They must be doing something right. Sure the price is right and they are loaded with features but an upwardly steep sales curve cannot be attributed to just that. A very large number of new model MB taxis cruise the streets in eu

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality

2007-01-13 Thread LarryT
Tom wrote:> Hi Tom, Not sure if the answer to your question is yes or no. Perhaps it's an isolated case, but it wouldn't matter to me (or you) if it had happened to one of us - spending $80K for a car and have paint fall off must be disconcerting. And

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality

2007-01-13 Thread Bob Rentfro
Tom mentioned: "I have several friends with newer Mercedes and they all seem pleased with them." ...and then he wondered: "Can these defective Mercedes be isolated cases that once they start on the net, never seem to die?" My friend has a '05 C230 and he loves. It has been flawless. Another wo

Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap status

2007-01-13 Thread Jim Cathey
Ok, your "weather report" has officially given me second thoughts about the fun factor in my planned biz trip down to Walla Walla next week. I'll be riding high in a state-issued Taurus. Whee. If you're lucky the arctic blast may have passed, but who knows? What's a 12V-2A SMPS? 12-volt,

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality

2007-01-13 Thread Bob Rentfro
David sez: "A lot of people these days only keep a car for a couple years anyway. They only care that they hold together for the lease term." I think that's what MB has been banking on since the merger. Hursty sez: " mercedes is the new jaguar. it's pretty much over." I think you're right..

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality

2007-01-13 Thread Tom Hargrave
I've been reading this thread and it seems odd to me. I have several friends with newer Mercedes and they all seem pleased with them. And those that I rode in & drove run great, handle great & perform flawlessly. I don't see any cosmetic flaws (inside or out), other than Sheree's parking lot adven

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality

2007-01-13 Thread Werner Fehlauer
That's a big reason for the MBCA dilemma - declining membership while cars on the road continue to sky-rocket. There's not much reason to join a club when your focus is 2 years and then off to the next brand du jour. And quality issues, real or imagined, do nothing to maintain or build on the

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality

2007-01-13 Thread David Brodbeck
Gary Hurst wrote: > and yet they sell more cars then ever before. people just like junk? A lot of people these days only keep a car for a couple years anyway. They only care that they hold together for the lease term.

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality

2007-01-13 Thread Gary Hurst
and yet they sell more cars then ever before. people just like junk? as i have mentioned many times before, mercedes is the new jaguar. it's pretty much over. On 1/12/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yeah, I spoke with a gentleman who bought a new S430 and within 2 years the paint was fal

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality

2007-01-13 Thread Bob Rentfro
Bill told us: "One of our friends has a fairly late model SL [not sure of the year], her third MB from that dealer. The center console material is flaking off. MB just says 'too bad'. Interior looks like a junk yard car, and it would not surprise me if they have bought their last MB." Sugge

Re: [MBZ] was: rubbing compound on hood, now Correct Way to Wax

2007-01-13 Thread LarryT
Before you do anything so drastic, take a look at the "How-To" articles on http://www.properautocare.com/kemyneveloit.html I've found their info to be very helpful. Granted, some is for Detailing & Painting professionals and some of the procedures requires the use of some power tools, the inf

Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap status

2007-01-13 Thread Zeitgeist
Ok, your "weather report" has officially given me second thoughts about the fun factor in my planned biz trip down to Walla Walla next week. I'll be riding high in a state-issued Taurus. What's a 12V-2A SMPS? On 1/13/07, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: January 12, 2007 I bought a 'new'

Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap status

2007-01-13 Thread Jim Cathey
Now you need to calibrate son for proper use of correctly operating door, correct? Should be easy, just tell him he can open his own door now. Some things he learns quickly! :-) Especially with "Open it yourself" applied a time or two. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Correct Way to Wax

2007-01-13 Thread Jim Cathey
not the paint. If you get wax on the cloth, you are pressing too hard, lighten up. You should be able to buff out the wax on the entire car without getting more than a trace on the cloth." I always found that when I did it right the dried wax almost feels like it is scraping off with the c

Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap status

2007-01-13 Thread Bob Rentfro
Jim explained: "The rear door my son usually uses was really quite messed up, and the latch was prone to freezing up. I took the door apart, and found that yes indeed the vapor barriers were non-functional. I removed the latch and solvent-tanked it to remove all the old gummy gritty lubricant,

[MBZ] Frankenheap status

2007-01-13 Thread Jim Cathey
January 12, 2007 I bought a 'new' 12V-2A SMPS at the thrift shop yesterday, complete with an old portable Canon inkjet printer, and today I reinstalled that part of the preheating system. Works fine, except that the heater blower is shrieking sometimes. I _must_ get that taken care of soon befo

Re: [MBZ] Rear Brake Job - 1983 240 D

2007-01-13 Thread Curt Raymond
You could set it just tight enough to hold the car in your relatively flat driveway. Then your wife could somehow manage to not notice they're on and drive 10 miles to work AND back. Mine's a 190D remember, its got a hand brake. I've always preferred the handbrake because I notice when its on..

Re: [MBZ] rubbing compound on hood

2007-01-13 Thread Peter Frederick
That flat looking paint with tons of "orange peel" will have to be power buffed to get it shiny. You could do it by hand, but only if you have a couple of weeks to devote to it. A short time with a power buffer will slick it out nicely. Turtle wax is fine wax if you apply it correctly (usual

Re: [MBZ] rubbing compound on hood

2007-01-13 Thread Zoltan Finks
I can offer you some of my personal experiences, but they are limited: I recently had to remove some stains left on a light blue paint job by a maple tree. I bought the Zymol Cleaner Wax (c. $10 per pint or so - anyway, plenty to do at least a couple of jobs). While it wasn't the best for removin

Re: [MBZ] This is pretty unusual

2007-01-13 Thread John M McIntosh
A few more from the Canadian market, for the american's to drool over 1990 300TDt 12.9K http://www.canadatrader.com/result/ detailinfo.aspx?ID=24718952&pgno=1&srt=1 1989 300TDt 4matic 17K, see what did I tell you, http:// www.canadatrader.com/result/detailinfo.aspx?ID=23514651&pgno=1&srt=1 19

Re: [MBZ] This is pretty unusual

2007-01-13 Thread John M McIntosh
Seems a bit high in the Canadian market for such a basic vehicle. But it's a 4matic (likely the evil type). That and diesel is for the most part cheaper in Canada so the dynamics are different, plus of course we can import mmm vehicles upto 1992 now without hassle. Now if it was a wagon, I'll

Re: [MBZ] This is pretty unusual

2007-01-13 Thread Werner Fehlauer
To quote Kaleb, this seems to be a guy on crack, or perhaps something stronger. To ask 15 grand for a car in questionable condition (that low a mileage in a 19 year old car implies a lack of proper exercise or maintenance to me) is way over credulity. And apparently only Canadians can be assur

Re: [MBZ] This is pretty unusual

2007-01-13 Thread Jim Cathey
*I'd love to grab this running gear, since I've been looking hard to find an AWD vehicle for my wife. http://tinyurl.com/y7t8v8* Hmm, and here I am with a perfectly good 87 124 diesel VIN plate in the woods. Too bad it's for a wagon! -- Jim

[MBZ] This is pretty unusual

2007-01-13 Thread Zeitgeist
*I'd love to grab this running gear, since I've been looking hard to find an AWD vehicle for my wife. http://tinyurl.com/y7t8v8* -- Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state" '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanag

Re: [MBZ] Skid pad in Bahrain....

2007-01-13 Thread Chuck Landenberger
BTDT, in my '80 300SD on the skid pad at Summit Point Raceway.. A real kick.. Chuck Phoenix AZ On Jan 12, 2007, at 6:32 PM, OK Don wrote: As a matter of fact, I had my son out doing almost that exact same thing today - in the 240D!!! The sound was a little different - there's 13mm of i

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality

2007-01-13 Thread Bill
One of our friends has a fairly late model SL [not sure of the year], her third MB from that dealer. The center console material is flaking off. MB just says 'too bad'. Interior looks like a junk yard car, and it would not surprise me if they have bought their last MB. BillR -Original Me

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality

2007-01-13 Thread LarryT
Yeah, I spoke with a gentleman who bought a new S430 and within 2 years the paint was falling off in sheets along the lower 1/4 of the body - doors, fenders and rockers - revealing corrosion beneath - never any accidents and of course DC denies responsibility. He was preparing a lawsuit last I

Re: [MBZ] Turbo hp boost percentage

2007-01-13 Thread David Brodbeck
Jim Cathey wrote: > Such as all the MB turbo diesel engines. Or the Cummins. Probably > others too, but I have no knowledge of them. > VW turbodiesels also have oil squirters to cool the pistons. It's the main difference between a "turbo" block and a non-turbo one.

Re: [MBZ] Part OT Turbo boost percentage and Turbo Talk

2007-01-13 Thread Jim Cathey
mid-80's yesterday, and happened upon a two-page, beautiful advertisement for the Chrysler Laser - remember those? Test-drove one, as they were affordable and I liked the looks. Too cheesy, and my sample had something wrong with the clutch. Ended up with the Camaro. Never regretted it. -- Ji

Re: [MBZ] Turbo hp boost percentage

2007-01-13 Thread Jim Cathey
keep from melting out the tops of the pistons; turbo engines are designed with special additional cooling provisions for the pistons - some even have one or more dedicated spray nozzles inside the block to throw oil on the underside of the piston itself. Such as all the MB turbo diesel engine

Re: [MBZ] Turbo hp boost percentage

2007-01-13 Thread Werner Fehlauer
A few years back, the US Navy was intent to power their new mine hunters with an Italian V-8 Diesel engine, one that had a good reputation for longevity in its cast iron version. Unfortunately, a mine sweeper needs to be a-magnetic if possible, so it was decided to make the engine out of alumi

Re: [MBZ] Try this with your 240D

2007-01-13 Thread Werner Fehlauer
Some of us got to do this kind of drifting at the Summit Point, WV skid pad, but with a bald-tired Caprice, with its alignment set to "sloppy". It was part of the Driver's Ed course before a Tri-O-Rama MBCA event a few years back. Werner - Original Message - From: "Hendrik Riessen" <

Re: [MBZ] Rear Brake Job - 1983 240 D

2007-01-13 Thread Allan Streib
"Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Allan, is there any way around having to give one's phone number and > full name before being able to browse that site? Hm. Though it says "german" auto parts, it is really focusd on VW, and to a lesser extent Audi. All the other marques ask for cont

Re: [MBZ] Try this with your 240D

2007-01-13 Thread OK Don
As a matter of fact, I had my son out doing almost that exact same thing today - in the 240D!!! The sound was a little different - there's 13mm of ice on top of the pavement today --- On 1/12/07, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c_Lo2HperU Perhaps with a

Re: [MBZ] Rear Brake Job - 1983 240 D

2007-01-13 Thread OK Don
You can make one also --- http://www.bmw-m.net/TechProc/bleeder.htm On 1/12/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Allan, is there any way around having to give one's phone number and full name before being able to browse that site? Brian On 1/10/07, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality

2007-01-13 Thread Peter Frederick
Benz (and BMW) got infected with American Automotive Junk Virus when Benz bought Chrysler -- and hired a whole bunch of American designers (the head of the design department at BMW is American). Hence the junk. Much more emphasis on looks and cheesy manufacturing, and much less on quality in

[MBZ] Try this with your 240D

2007-01-13 Thread Hendrik Riessen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c_Lo2HperU Perhaps with a 300DT

Re: [MBZ] Rear Brake Job - 1983 240 D

2007-01-13 Thread David Brodbeck
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The W210 chassis is cute about that; it throws an error in the cluster > (instead of the odometer) that the parking brake is on and chirps at you, > then if your speed goes above 10mph or so (maybe 15mph) it will change the > illumination color of the message area from

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality

2007-01-13 Thread Bob Rentfro
Larry T. wondered: "Or, perhaps after 2002 they decided the best was too damn much trouble - and "good enough" is fine ?" I believe it may have started before '02 to listen to some people talk about their cars Bob R. - Original Message - From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To

Re: [MBZ] UNconfirmed Diesel Runon and Bus Accident

2007-01-13 Thread Mitch Haley
Usually, the brakes are stronger than the engine. If it's a choice between crashing a bus and blowing an engine, you hit the clutch (or put it in neutral) and let it rev. Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] Rear Brake Job - 1983 240 D

2007-01-13 Thread jwreames
Have you tried a random number in your area code with a 555 exchange? Or perhaps use one of the "offshore" areacodes.. some of them are VERY expensive (dollars per minute) -j. -- Original message -- From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Allan, is there any

Re: [MBZ] Rear Brake Job - 1983 240 D

2007-01-13 Thread jwreames
The W210 chassis is cute about that; it throws an error in the cluster (instead of the odometer) that the parking brake is on and chirps at you, then if your speed goes above 10mph or so (maybe 15mph) it will change the illumination color of the message area from amber to RED and really squawk.