Re: [MBZ] Adjusting valves in cold weather

2007-01-19 Thread Mitch Haley
John W. Reames III wrote: for intake, add 0.05mm for extended ambient temps below -20C But if it's -10C when you adjust them, there's no reason to add more clearance. You will have a bit more clearance at -10 than at room temperature (+20C).

[MBZ] Test

2007-01-19 Thread Frederick W Moir
Taste?

Re: [MBZ] OT House Build Quality

2007-01-19 Thread Curt Raymond
Depends on what kind of laminate. Real Pergo brand laminate for instance is a thin layer of real hardwood on some sort of a plywood backing. The cheapo discount store stuff is basically wallpaper on the floor. MDF with stickon wood grain. I saw Pergo in a house that had extreme water damage, it

Re: [MBZ] Test

2007-01-19 Thread Bob Rentfro
Like chicken? - Original Message - From: Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 5:07 PM Subject: [MBZ] Test Taste? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list

[MBZ] Test 2

2007-01-19 Thread Frederick W Moir
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Re: [MBZ] Adjusting valves in cold weather

2007-01-19 Thread kevin kraly
But if it's -10C when you adjust them, THE ENGINE AND THE WRENCHES ARE TERRIBLY COLD TO THE TOUCH! bur! I'll be waiting until the temps climb a bit although it's probably 6oC or 42oF here, balmy compared to much of the country right now. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 265k miles,

Re: [MBZ] OT House Build Quality

2007-01-19 Thread Allan Streib
Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I saw Pergo in a house that had extreme water damage, it was the only wood in the house undamaged... I'm sold on that stuff. The other stuff is crap. They must have improved it since I had it. In a former house, late 1990s, we had Pergo installed. Some

[MBZ] Test 3

2007-01-19 Thread Frederick W Moir
taystey

Re: [MBZ] Test

2007-01-19 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
you failed Frederick W Moir wrote: Taste? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] Test 2

2007-01-19 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
you failed again Frederick W Moir wrote: T ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] Test 3

2007-01-19 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
also failed Frederick W Moir wrote: taystey ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] Number of cylinders

2007-01-19 Thread Werner Fehlauer
Lancia did the same thing with their V-4 back in the late 50's Werner - Original Message - From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Number of cylinders Jeff Zedic wrote:

Re: [MBZ] Number of cylinders

2007-01-19 Thread Darrell W. Sigmon
Werner, I have a technical question for you or others. Why do ALL radial engines have odd cylinders, like 1,3,5,7,9? There is a logical answer, what is it? DWS Werner Fehlauer wrote: Lancia did the same thing with their V-4 back in the late 50's Werner - Original Message - From:

Re: [MBZ] OT House Build Quality

2007-01-19 Thread OK Don
We replaced nasty old carpet with Wilsonart laminate flooring a couple of years ago. It's similar to Formica on Masonite. We have it in every room in the house. There is no noticeable difference between that in the bathroom (glued along the joints, but not the outside edges), and anywhere else. I

Re: [MBZ] Test 2

2007-01-19 Thread Bob Rentfro
A - Original Message - From: Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 5:29 PM Subject: [MBZ] Test 2 T ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor:

Re: [MBZ] Number of cylinders

2007-01-19 Thread Allan Streib
Darrell W. Sigmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Werner, I have a technical question for you or others. Why do ALL radial engines have odd cylinders, like 1,3,5,7,9? There is a logical answer, what is it? In a 4 stroke radial engine, it's so that the firing order can be every other cylinder.

Re: [MBZ] OT House Build Quality

2007-01-19 Thread Jim Cathey
We replaced nasty old carpet with Wilsonart laminate flooring Some friends of my wife are contractors, and put that stuff in their mom's kitchen. After several years of use, and being used as a day care facility, the Wilsonart people came out to photograph the installation for their catalog.

Re: [MBZ] Number of cylinders

2007-01-19 Thread Jim Cathey
Why do ALL radial engines have odd cylinders, like 1,3,5,7,9? There is a logical answer, what is it? Might have to do with how the mass of connecting rods all have to attach to the crank at the same place. Just a guess. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Adjusting valves in cold weather

2007-01-19 Thread Jim Cathey
Would it be OK to adjust the valves on a 85 300D in cold weather, say 20 degrees F, or would it be a no,no? No. You won't enjoy it. (Otherwise no problem.) I recommend you plug in the block heater for a couple of hours, your fingers will thank you. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT The mighty fell My Saab stranded me in cold

2007-01-19 Thread Jim Cathey
I had left it with around three gallons of fuel in the tank for 8 hours or so. Condensation becomes a problem when the temperature cycles up and down. With a lot of room in the tank for air, more comes in and releases its moisture into the tank. For short periods of time, it really doesn't

Re: [MBZ] Number of cylinders

2007-01-19 Thread Jim Cathey
In a 4 stroke radial engine, it's so that the firing order can be every other cylinder. Now that makes total sense. Skip every other one, and then it's two revs per firing. Just what a 4-stroke needs. Also, without the multiple phased crank journals of the inline engine you're very limited

Re: [MBZ] Number of cylinders

2007-01-19 Thread Loren Faeth
I am more partial to the three or 4 row radials. I believe the theory of odd cylinder numbers is to dampen vibration. Even numbers would mean directly opposed cylinders. Directly opposed cylinders could set up harmonic vibrations. Yes, Lycoming and other boxer engines have directly opposed

Re: [MBZ] OT House Build Quality

2007-01-19 Thread Mitch Haley
Isn't that a R107 in the architect's drawing here? http://menards.com/web/managed/featuredProjects/garages/1954029PicLg.jpg Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] OT House Build Quality

2007-01-19 Thread OK Don
I'd say so On 1/18/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't that a R107 in the architect's drawing here? http://menards.com/web/managed/featuredProjects/garages/1954029PicLg.jpg Mitch. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just

Re: [MBZ] Number of cylinders

2007-01-19 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:39:24 -0500 Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darrell W. Sigmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Werner, I have a technical question for you or others. Why do ALL radial engines have odd cylinders, like 1,3,5,7,9? There is a logical answer, what is it? In a 4

Re: [MBZ] Adjusting valves in cold weather

2007-01-19 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:57:25 -0800 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be OK to adjust the valves on a 85 300D in cold weather, say 20 degrees F, or would it be a no,no? No. You won't enjoy it. (Otherwise no problem.) I recommend you plug in the block heater for a couple of

Re: [MBZ] Adjusting valves in cold weather

2007-01-19 Thread Werner Fehlauer
Why not simply run the engine, long enough for it to reach some uniform temperature, shut it down, and just as it cools enough to work on it safely, do the adjustment? That should allow doing it above the freezing temperatures of the day, and also have some mercy on the fingers. Of course,

Re: [MBZ] OT interesting vehicle Hanomag camper van $1500

2007-01-19 Thread Werner Fehlauer
IIRC, the Kemp museum outside of St. Louis has one of these. Must be a real clattering, sloooww beast, though. Putting your money into a new/used Sprinter Class B motor home would probably cost less, and certainly be less hassle! Werner - Original Message - From: kevin kraly

Re: [MBZ] Adjusting valves in cold weather

2007-01-19 Thread JFreezn
In a message dated 1/18/2007 3:31:21 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Would it be OK to adjust the valves on a 85 300D in cold weather, say 20 degrees F, or would it be a no,no? I have not done the valves in 2 yrs and I don't have a heated garage. Absolutely

Re: [MBZ] Adjusting valves in cold weather

2007-01-19 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:54:51 -0500 Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not simply run the engine, long enough for it to reach some uniform temperature, shut it down, and just as it cools enough to work on it safely, do the adjustment? Because that will have even worse temperature

Re: [MBZ] OT House Build Quality

2007-01-19 Thread Jim Cathey
Isn't that a R107 in the architect's drawing here? http://menards.com/web/managed/featuredProjects/garages/ 1954029PicLg.jpg Kinda-sorta, but it has a BMW-ish rear badge, and the shape of the ass end reminds me more of a 114 than a 107. With Euro bumpers, not USDOT behemoths. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Governer question - injection charge profile

2007-01-19 Thread Peter Merle
To ask a furthur question - what shapes the maximum injection stoke volume vs rpm at these pumps. As I understand it compensation for volumetric efficiency vs rpm needs to be taken account so that at low speed and at hig speed the maximum injection charge is lower than at mid range rpm due to

[MBZ] Oil passage block cleanup

2007-01-19 Thread Peter Merle
On the OM617 engine there are steel balls at the clutch end of the block which are end stops for oil passages internal to the block. How difficult is it to remove and particulily re-install these balls without the risk of a leaks. Alternatively can one sucessfully clean the oil passages without

Re: [MBZ] Test 2

2007-01-19 Thread jwreames
I think B is more appropriate, ie TB :) -- John Reames 1985 300d (223K Gerta) 1991 Cherokee (149K the fishbowl) 1999 E300Dt (140K Hans) (the leaky one) 1999 E300Dt (106K Frantz) (the squeaky one) -- Original message -- From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] A -

Re: [MBZ] [OT] Radial Engines (was: Number of cylinders)

2007-01-19 Thread OK Don
The sump is a separate tank - I think they call these 'dry sump' engines. Oil doe s collect in the bottom cylinders while it's sitting - you have slowly crank the engine through a couple of turns before trying to start it (aircraft application). They have been known to blow a cylinder or two off

Re: [MBZ] [OT] Radial Engines (was: Number of cylinders)

2007-01-19 Thread jwreames
Sounds like it would 1) leak a lot, and 2) smoke even more Nifty feature, that self-hydrolocking. I guess the spark plug threads on the bottom cylinders wear out sooner than those on the upper ones :P Fun Fun! -j. -- John Reames 1985 300d (223K Gerta) 1991 Cherokee (149K the fishbowl) 1999

Re: [MBZ] Adjusting valves in cold weather

2007-01-19 Thread jwreames
/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 -- next part -- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Roger Conlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Adjusting valves in cold weather Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:41:14 + Size: 789 Url: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20070119

Re: [MBZ] [OT] Radial Engines

2007-01-19 Thread Rich Thomas
My college summer job was at the airport, a ramp rat. I used to fill up the old Beech D18 from a night of hauling the mail, would take a 5 gal can of oil up on each wing and pour in 3-4 gal in each radial engine. Not sure where it went once it went down the hole (I know where the part that

Re: [MBZ] Adjusting valves in cold weather

2007-01-19 Thread Marshall Booth
Werner Fehlauer wrote: Why not simply run the engine, long enough for it to reach some uniform temperature, shut it down, and just as it cools enough to work on it safely, do the adjustment? That should allow doing it above the freezing temperatures of the day, and also have some mercy on the

Re: [MBZ] Adjusting valves in cold weather

2007-01-19 Thread John Robbins
Werner Fehlauer wrote: Why not simply run the engine, long enough for it to reach some uniform temperature, shut it down, and just as it cools enough to work on it safely, do the adjustment? That should allow doing it above the freezing temperatures of the day, and also have some mercy on the

Re: [MBZ] [OT] Radial Engines

2007-01-19 Thread LarryT
Hi Rich - Great story - BTW, a 5 gal of oil weighs *about* 48 #'s. Back when I was flying we had to calc the weight of everything so we wouldn't be overweight and to get the planed loaded properly - we used 8#s as a number to get us close when calculating fuel weight. Those Cessna 150s I

Re: [MBZ] Adjusting valves in cold weather

2007-01-19 Thread Marshall Booth
John Robbins wrote: The plate on my car says if above a certain temp use xx values or if its below that temp use... etc. (I don't remember the values or temp, but know that I've always needed the 'cold' ones). IMO, its been two years since the valve adjustment was done the little itty

Re: [MBZ] [OT] Radial Engines

2007-01-19 Thread Loren Faeth
The dry sump was also used on the M100 engine, Triumph motorcycles and lots of aircraft applications. I think the 300SL (not the 90s one, but the real 300SL) had a dry sump. I believe the water cooled Allisons, Rolls Royce and Daimler-Benz V-12 aircraft engines of WWII were all dry sump

Re: [MBZ] Adjusting valves in cold weather

2007-01-19 Thread jwreames
Thanks. I noticed a decided difference in engine running between stone cold (overnight sit) versus warm adjustments. I always wondered why, or if it was something that I was doing wrong. I've gotten to where I can adjust them on the street in 30 mins (It has gotten a question or three from the

[MBZ] O.T. Hey There Okie Boys

2007-01-19 Thread Bob Rentfro
I heard on the radio your governor want federal disaster moola for Okieland. Is it as jacked up there as the news reports make it out to be? Bob Rlots of rain today, no ice. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jan 19 16:59:28 2007 Received: from host337.ipowerweb.com ([72.22.69.22]) by

Re: [MBZ] [OT] Radial Engines

2007-01-19 Thread LarryT
you wrote: the 300SL (not the 90s one, but the real 300SL) had a dry sump. I believe the water cooled Allisons, Rolls Royce and Daimler-Benz V-12 aircraft engines And,Drum roll please, T D,. -- the greatest most famous sportscar of all time has a dry sump oil system - the

Re: [MBZ] [OT] Radial Engines

2007-01-19 Thread LarryT
Thanks Rich - my memory isn;t what is used to be. ;-) I climbed in a cargo DC3 on the ramp once - Geez, just climbing from the door to the cockpit was a PITA - loading cargo must have been a LOT of fun. OTOH, I was invited into a early Learjet for a lookaround and was amazed at how *small* it

Re: [MBZ] [OT] Radial Engines

2007-01-19 Thread Jim Cathey
and to get the planed loaded properly - we used 8#s as a number to get us close when calculating fuel weight. Or as my dad always said: A pint's a pound the world around. He had flight training, in the reserves. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] [OT] Radial Engines

2007-01-19 Thread Rich Thomas
Sometimes that isn't a bad thing! --R LarryT wrote: Thanks Rich - my memory isn;t what is used to be. ;-)

[MBZ] Semi OT

2007-01-19 Thread Frederick W Moir
Calling All Gurus (Gurii?) When downloading and viewing the list mail I sometimes only get one half of the question-answer pair, usually just the answers. Any ideas? TIA Fred Moir Lynn MA Cold Diesel Days.

Re: [MBZ] OT House Building

2007-01-19 Thread Harry Watkins
My wife and I built our 1800 sq ft steel frame home on a full size basement, clear span through out. We did everything except the cement pours/finishing and the HVAC. Built the 10 ft high basement walls without mortar, just dry stack and use a surface bonding material, even a caveman can do it.

Re: [MBZ] OT The mighty fell My Saab stranded me in cold

2007-01-19 Thread Zoltan Finks
It was based on how much fuel went into the tank when I filled up. Brian Steve wrote: Was your observation on tank level based on memory of when last topped up, or the gauge? Gauges can do odd things in the cold, on older cars.

[MBZ] Bad gas recourse - was Saab stranded me in cold

2007-01-19 Thread Zoltan Finks
If it does seem to be bad gas, let me ask: How many of you have been through that, and what recourse do we have, and how did you we best go about pursuing it? I mean besides going in there and chewing the cashier out. I wish there was a way to find out if there have been other complaints

Re: [MBZ] Semi OT

2007-01-19 Thread Billr
Fred, Many times people only send the answers and not the questions they are answering. The trimmed posts are generally useful, but do make it hard to follow if you are no a frequent list lurker as I am. Other thoughts? BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 284k -Original Message- From:

Re: [MBZ] Bad gas recourse - was Saab stranded me in cold

2007-01-19 Thread Loren Faeth
uh. Yes It only takes a thimbleful of water. At 12:19 PM 1/19/2007, you wrote: Could the gas really be bad enough to cause my engine to flat quit? Leeee.. I own a gas station. I pay a buck 90 or so for gas. Gas has ethanol in it. Ethanol will suspend water. Water costs

Re: [MBZ] Semi OT

2007-01-19 Thread Frederick W Moir
Hi, All. Should have been clearer. The message that was the question part of this thread was acknowledged by mercedesbounces as received, but I did not get the original post. I did check that my settings in okiebenz had not changed. Over. cue: 'Scarecrow Song from Wizard of OZ Fred Moir Lynn

Re: [MBZ] OT House Building

2007-01-19 Thread R A Bennell
Not picking fault or anything similar - just noting an interesting point (at least from my point of view). The soil conditions where you are must be pretty stable. We are on what was glacial Lake Aggisez (not sure I spelled that correctly). The gumbo like clay in the Red River Valley is prone

[MBZ] Semi OT redux

2007-01-19 Thread Frederick W Moir
Well I just received the original email at 15:03 sent at 12:57, acknowledged at 13:03. Fred dammit, patience! TTFN Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel dummy

Re: [MBZ] OT House Building

2007-01-19 Thread David Brodbeck
Harry Watkins wrote: My wife and I built our 1800 sq ft steel frame home on a full size basement, clear span through out. Sounds like a pretty rewarding project. Having watched a commercial remodeling project in one of the local suburbs, though, I have to say around here just dealing with the

Re: [MBZ] Education

2007-01-19 Thread Zoltan Finks
Hey Larry, Interesting indeed, and I can attest to its truth. I've gone back to school - never went to college as a young man. I'm now, I guess, an official college senior. I don't know the answers to about half those questions you listed. But then again I'm almost twenty years farther away

Re: [MBZ] Semi OT redux

2007-01-19 Thread Billr
Do the messages talk back to you, Fred Yes, time delay in emails is something that is often frustrating and occasionally problematic. My wife is deaf and info is easier to send via email, but it occasionally is hours, rather than seconds, in getting there. BillR -Original Message-

Re: [MBZ] OT House Building

2007-01-19 Thread Billr
Any wanting a building nightmare could warp back to the Homestead, FL area in the years after hurricane Andrew. The codes were changed every few weeks [or so it seemed]. A builder down there built a housing complex [Ryan homes, and he also donated one to the org. I worked for] only to have the

Re: [MBZ] radial before cranking

2007-01-19 Thread RELNGSON
The sump is a separate tank - I think they call these 'dry sump' engines. Oil doe s collect in the bottom cylinders while it's sitting- you have slowly crank the engine through a couple of turns before trying to start it (aircraft application) You pull it through by hand. Outside. RLE/R-985

Re: [MBZ] dry sumps

2007-01-19 Thread RELNGSON
The dry sump was also used on the M100 engine, Triumph motorcycles and lots of aircraft applications.   I think the 300SL (not the 90s one, but the real 300SL) had a dry sump.  I believe the water cooled Allisons, Rolls Royce and Daimler-Benz V-12 aircraft engines of WWII were all dry sump

Re: [MBZ] dry sumps

2007-01-19 Thread R A Bennell
Also Harley Davidson motorcycles. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 3:21 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] dry sumps The dry sump was also used on the M100 engine, Triumph

Re: [MBZ] radial before cranking

2007-01-19 Thread R A Bennell
Is the oil collected in the bottom why they usually make some smoke when they fire up? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 3:17 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] radial before

Re: [MBZ] Liquid weights

2007-01-19 Thread RELNGSON
Avgas and JetA weigh in at 6#/gal, water is 8ish, I would guess oil is closer to 6, maybe a bit more.  A big bucket swinging around on a wet oily wing seems to weigh a TON! For flight planning purposes, avgas weighs 6 pounds per gallon and engine oil weighs 7.5 pounds. Or so said the FAA

Re: [MBZ] Liquid weights

2007-01-19 Thread Werner Fehlauer
You mean to say that only passenger weight went up? I seem to recall taking my check ride with an instructor that had to sit sideways in the 150, and I was crammed up against the door. And the 150 had the extended range tankage, which of course was kept full in the Alaska temperatures, so

Re: [MBZ] OT House Building

2007-01-19 Thread Werner Fehlauer
Randy - unless your builder was exceptional, there probably isn't much rebar in the concrete - floor slab, foundation, or walls. From the 1950s on, many builders skipped rebar in foundations, and used wire mesh in slabs when they thought of it. And all that on earth that wasn't fully

[MBZ] Expensive M-B driving

2007-01-19 Thread Werner Fehlauer
I see where the lady in Texas that used her M-B to run over her cheating husband in 2002 has been ordered to pay her in-laws $3.75 million. She is already convicted of murder and serving a sentence of 20 years in prison. So who said driving an M-B is inexpensive?? Werner

Re: [MBZ] OT House Building

2007-01-19 Thread R A Bennell
Hey Werner Probably not a lot of rebar. I was there when they setup the basement forms but really cannot remember what there was. None in the floor of course. We added onto the house in 87 and the engineer that helped to design and then stamped the drawings did not want us to cut holes in the

Re: [MBZ] Bad gas recourse - was Saab stranded me in cold

2007-01-19 Thread Zoltan Finks
Thank you for your succinct information. I didn't know that water was the only thing that could contaminate gasoline. Since it is, my car's prognosis is much better. Brian On 1/19/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: uh. Yes It only takes a thimbleful of water. At 12:19 PM

Re: [MBZ] [OT] Radial Engines

2007-01-19 Thread Peter Frederick
I heard from a WWII airman that a B-26 used 50 gal of fuel and 5 gal of oil and hour in cruise flight, more at full throttle. Those old radial engines were sloppy -- oil dribbled out the pushrod tubes, the head gaskets, and jug seals, and they do burn quite a bit. 1940's technology, mostly