Re: [MBZ] Cheap tires
My daughters new GL320cdi suv came with Continentals. I thought all new MBs came with Continentals. Gerry - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > So you want some cheap tires? My neighbor across the street, took in lieu > of > payment in a business debt the debtor's two cars. One is an '06 Jag > convertible and the other a '99 Porsche 996 Cab. I was sniffing around the > Arena Red > Porsche and was gobsmacked when I looked at the new tires. Nankang made in > Taiwan! Something like 235/30-18s on the front and the cost is around 70 > bucks each > which is probably about one third or less of any recognized brand. I don't > think he's noticed, yet. Question is, has NHSTA noticed. > On another tire note, I have informed the new car manager at Phil Smart MB > in > Seattle that my new C300, due in about ninety days, had damned well > better > not have Continental tires on it. I don't want Michelins, either, but of > the > two. > RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Outback
I have to say that growing up I paid little attention to the Japanese cars - I was into American muscle. But now, after living in the midwest where there remain almost no examples of 70's & 80's datsuns and hondas, etc., I am sort of pleased by the sight of those old cars. You see them in western U.S. (but, for some reason, not really in AZ - mostly in CA OR & WA) (in my limited experience, of course). The point is I have an appreciation for those atomic cockroaches. Remember the Honey Bee? Brian On 7/14/07, LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My sister had a Datsun B210. We often referred to it > as the "atomic cockroach," as we felt that it > resembled a huge cockroach that might have resulted > from exposure to radiation, a la' bad 1950s scifi > movie. > > Sort of loses something in the explanation. > > While we're reminiscing, check out one of my favorite > dead sites for older cars: > > http://mars.superlink.net/~rriegler/sml/ > > Dan > > > > --- Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:15:15 -0700 (PDT) LWB250 > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Even back in the days of the "atomic cockroach" > > (Datsun B210) > > > > Atomic cockroach? > > > > > > Craig > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: > > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > Never miss an email again! > Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Brake Lines
What I used to do, when all the FLAPS had was SAE thread brake line, was to buy the length of SAE stuff longer than I needed, the cut the flare off one end, and dump the nuts off. Then i;d take the nuts from the piece i was replacing and slide them on , in the right orientation, then bend and cut to length. The next step was to put a double flare on the cut end. It usually took me 2 or 3 tries to get a god one using the 1/16 inch double flare pin. The pin often breaks, so it is good to get at least 2 . I buy them from Snappy. Don't bother asking for the warranty replacement. The last time I had to wait until he ordered them and they come in. So that car was down a while. Loren > > > Does anyone have any experience buying pre formed > > hard > > > brake lines or bending their own? Couldn't find > > them > > > on Rusty's site. > > > > > > Had an experience driving home from work yesterday > > in > > > the SD wherein I'll have to replace one of the > > hard > > > brake lines for the front brakes. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Fred Johnson > > > Chicago > > > 1977 240D > > > 1983 300SD > > > 1991 A/R 164L > > > 1996 Civic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network > > Research Panel today! > > >http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: > > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > > >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: > > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > >Got a little couch potato? >Check out fun summer activities for kids. >http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz > > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cheap tires
my new C300, due in about ninety days, Gas or Diesel? Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Atomic cockroach
I recall at one time going to a Datsun dealer to look at new cars with this young lady I was friends with, as I was reputed "to know something about cars." She was immediately drawn to this thing, I think it was a B210, that looked like something regurgitated from a 1970s Korean design studio crusher on acid. The salesweasel tried to make some positive statements about it, but even that did not deter her from seriously considering buying one. I observed this event in an altered mental state, thoroughly dumbfounded at her sincere appreciation of it. In the end, even the good deal the salesweasel was willing to strike to rid his showroom of such an odious abomination did not overcome her impecunious state, so she ended up buying an old Firebird convertible, which was much more tolerable. --R > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 20, Issue 78
> < are a bit aged, but should get you to Les Schwab ok>> > Tempting offer, indeed. Fact is, those "folks" at MB have changed the wheel offset to something around 50mm, thus tanking my idea to mount my C36 AMG 17s (7.5 & 8.5and now on the C320) with the new tires on them. Also means my Nokian WRs on the C-Coupe (another atomic cockroach) 16" wheels cannot be used. Those will be for sale later, fitting any 202 or 203. Maybe sooner. RLE > > ** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] eating Skins
> <> > Ah. Well, that was a little local humor of sorts. The Broadway district is how-you-say-in-your-language the uh, gay area, so to speak. LE ** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] eating what?
I understand the squid bars are closer to First Ave. LT would have been hanging out at the Coastie base and seeing what he could catch in Pioneer Sq. On Jul 14, 2007, at 8:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> <> eating >> "four skins.">. >> > That would be up on Broadway someplace, no doubt. > > RLE > > > > > > ** -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cheap tires
Roger, I have a set of chrome bundts you can use for that C300. Tires are a bit aged, but should get you to Les Schwab ok On Jul 14, 2007, at 7:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > So you want some cheap tires? My neighbor across the street, took > in lieu of > payment in a business debt the debtor's two cars. One is an '06 Jag > convertible and the other a '99 Porsche 996 Cab. I was sniffing > around the Arena Red > Porsche and was gobsmacked when I looked at the new tires. Nankang > made in > Taiwan! Something like 235/30-18s on the front and the cost is > around 70 bucks each > which is probably about one third or less of any recognized brand. > I don't > think he's noticed, yet. Question is, has NHSTA noticed. > > On another tire note, I have informed the new car manager at Phil > Smart MB in > Seattle that my new C300, due in about ninety days, had damned well > better > not have Continental tires on it. I don't want Michelins, either, > but of the > two. > > RLE > > > ** -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Flying Alaska by Super Cub
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Re: [MBZ] Atomic cockroach
IIRC, they described the 115 chassis as "the most over engineered '55 Chevy ever". Maybe it was Road and Track - don't remember now. > Truth is, this descriptive term for the car was first seen in a Car & Driver > road test of the car. I rented one in Honolulu long ago and it's awfulness was > beyond description. > > BTW, in another road test article of the Cadillac Cimmaron, they suggested GM > send out a letter of apology with each car sold. > > Funny, then, funny now. > > RLE -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL head R&R adventure
Interesting - can you always see the cracks? I wonder what a machine shop would find -- i'll take the old head if you don't want it. On 7/14/07, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sooo, I finally got the proper tool and removed the timing chain rail pins. > Finished removing the head and flipped it over to check for cracks. NONE are > visible. GRRR. > > After more inspection, there is carbon buildup on the injection side of the > head around cyl 2&3's coolant passages. The head bolt inbetween 2&3's > injectors was rusted and did not spin freely as did the other 25. So, the > head may be ok anywaygrrr again. > > I'm going to install the 22 head anyway, and have call Rusty and order the > longer timing chain cover bolts along with the breather pipe. > -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Atomic cockroach
> < cockroach," as we felt that it resembled a huge cockroach that might have > resulted from exposure to radiation, a la' bad 1950s scifi movie.>> > Truth is, this descriptive term for the car was first seen in a Car & Driver road test of the car. I rented one in Honolulu long ago and it's awfulness was beyond description. BTW, in another road test article of the Cadillac Cimmaron, they suggested GM send out a letter of apology with each car sold. Funny, then, funny now. RLE ** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] eating what?
It was pretty close to the Coast Guard District Office. On 7/14/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > < eating > > "four skins.">. > > > That would be up on Broadway someplace, no doubt. > > RLE > > > > > > ** > Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] SDL head R&R adventure
Sooo, I finally got the proper tool and removed the timing chain rail pins. Finished removing the head and flipped it over to check for cracks. NONE are visible. GRRR. After more inspection, there is carbon buildup on the injection side of the head around cyl 2&3's coolant passages. The head bolt inbetween 2&3's injectors was rusted and did not spin freely as did the other 25. So, the head may be ok anywaygrrr again. I'm going to install the 22 head anyway, and have call Rusty and order the longer timing chain cover bolts along with the breather pipe. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] eating what?
> < "four skins.">. > That would be up on Broadway someplace, no doubt. RLE ** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 tranny??
Dad's '85TD (from Royce) has 300kmi on the clock and no major tranny work. Services were regular and up-to-date. Drives very well with no slipping or flaring. Luther On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 20:34:40 -0500, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > E M wrote: >> I know many of you say a W123 diesel will go pretty much forever, but what >> about the average auto trans in a W123? How many miles are they good for if >> well taken care of, and on the flipside, at what mileage do problems start >> to show up in examples that haven't been so well loved? > > In Pittsburgh, the average Mercedes transmission lasts about 250kmi or > about 18 years. If the car sees mostly highway driving they usually last > longer. If city driven, not that long. At between 15-20 years the seals > age and often start to leak. Requires pulling the transmission and a set > of seals to seal them. A shop will usually charge $500+ to do the job. > > In other locations (Denver for example) the average transmission may not > las so long (Stu Ritter says more like ~150kmi). I know of lots of high > mileage cars with more than 400kmi on the transmission, but 300-350 is > more usual for a most highway driven cars that are serviced in a timely > manner at proscribed intervals. > > Marshall -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] IowaQ -- September better?
Rusty told me while ordering parts a few weeks back that his Q will be the 3rd weekend of Oct. I'll prolly be talking to him yet again tomorrow Luther On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:56:37 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lets not forget you are getting into RustyQ time frame. The august deal > is still pretty close to when the rustyQ normally is. > > Wonko the Sane wrote: >> I am starting to sense that mid/late September would be better for the >> gathering. I picked August only so it wouldn't conflict with kids' school >> schedules. (I refer to other folks with kids, not me -- only one left in >> school is a university student.) >> >> I suggest we disregard the 8/18 date and plan something for after Labor Day. >> >> >> Thoughts? >> > -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cheap tires
So you want some cheap tires? My neighbor across the street, took in lieu of payment in a business debt the debtor's two cars. One is an '06 Jag convertible and the other a '99 Porsche 996 Cab. I was sniffing around the Arena Red Porsche and was gobsmacked when I looked at the new tires. Nankang made in Taiwan! Something like 235/30-18s on the front and the cost is around 70 bucks each which is probably about one third or less of any recognized brand. I don't think he's noticed, yet. Question is, has NHSTA noticed. On another tire note, I have informed the new car manager at Phil Smart MB in Seattle that my new C300, due in about ninety days, had damned well better not have Continental tires on it. I don't want Michelins, either, but of the two. RLE ** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Brake Lines
I second this suggestion. This is one place that you want a good quality flare nut wrench. I had some cheapies (Whitney or Harbor ... don't recall) that would round off the nuts like an open-end wrench. Then I got a good US-made flare-nut wrench and had no problems since. Since you only need one or two sizes (not a whole set) even a great wrench is not so costly. Scott Ritchey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 20:56 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brake Lines Be sure to get a set of flare nut wrenches (metric, of course) before you start in on this stuff. Regular box-end wrenches will chew up the fittings. Dan Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated?
Win2K here. Opera went to the "Live Local Search Beta". IE6 went to the maps. Must be browser dependent. Luther On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:45:22 -0500, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:30:57 -0400 "Scott Ritchey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> I'm stumped. >> >> I get the Microsoft live search version of Mappoint when I type in >> local.live.com. >> >> A Google search came up with http://maps.live.com which went to the same >> page. Try that. >> >> Scott >> > > That link takes me to the same page as I had before, > http://intl.local.live.com/ . It's labeled, "Live Local Search Beta." > > Maybe because I'm not running Windows they don't give me the same page as > they give you. > > > Craig > > -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] IowaQ--September Better?
I can do Sept also. Might even put a For Sale sign on my 82 SD by then, if someone wants to drive home a nice 126. Dan from Des Moines ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 tranny??
E M wrote: > I know many of you say a W123 diesel will go pretty much forever, but what > about the average auto trans in a W123? How many miles are they good for if > well taken care of, and on the flipside, at what mileage do problems start > to show up in examples that haven't been so well loved? In Pittsburgh, the average Mercedes transmission lasts about 250kmi or about 18 years. If the car sees mostly highway driving they usually last longer. If city driven, not that long. At between 15-20 years the seals age and often start to leak. Requires pulling the transmission and a set of seals to seal them. A shop will usually charge $500+ to do the job. In other locations (Denver for example) the average transmission may not las so long (Stu Ritter says more like ~150kmi). I know of lots of high mileage cars with more than 400kmi on the transmission, but 300-350 is more usual for a most highway driven cars that are serviced in a timely manner at proscribed intervals. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 tranny??
"E M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I know many of you say a W123 diesel will go pretty much forever, > but what about the average auto trans in a W123? How many miles are > they good for if well taken care of, and on the flipside, at what > mileage do problems start to show up in examples that haven't been > so well loved? They can suffer the "B-2" piston failure (mine did). Not a bad repair, really -- it can be done with the tranny in the car, although it's tight. Other than that I have had no trouble with mine, at 175K Miles. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Brake Lines
Be sure to get a set of flare nut wrenches (metric, of course) before you start in on this stuff. Regular box-end wrenches will chew up the fittings. Dan Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated?
It sounds like the images Google uses are a mish-mash of photos they obtain from whatever source they can. The rate of update is probably a crazy roll-of-the-dice with no particular order of when they'll be updated --- In the end, you get what you pay for. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated? > it's got a pretty clear view of my house. years ago though, when > there was a late model white suv, bermuda grass and a very clean > driveway. alas, today, it's crappy old benzes, georgia weeds and lots > of oil stains. if the previous owner weren't dead, she'd kill me if > she drove by this place! > > On 7/14/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> My problem using Google Earth is they all seem pretty out of focus - my >> neighborhood is a green & gray blob. >> >> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) >> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts >> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil >> PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net >> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs >> Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ >> . >> - Original Message - >> From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 2:20 PM >> Subject: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated? >> >> >> > So you can stalk your old vehicle using google earth - cool. >> > >> > Actually I have wondered something about Google Earth: How often are >> > the pictures updated - or are they updated at all? >> > >> > I ask because I have thought the same thing - you can sort of keep >> > tabs on things if the pictures are updated often enough. >> > >> > This way, I suppose, if one's ex-girlfriend was fat enough, you could >> > even stalk her. >> > >> > Brian >> > >> > On 7/14/07, Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Gave it away... But its still on google earth! >> >> >> >> Why? did you want it? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > > I am in. We can have it at my place here in Olympia too, I have >> >> > lots >> >> > > of room and some other cool old junk to ogle. Unimogs, >> >> > > turbodiesel >> >> > > vanagon, Haflinger, MB 406D delivery van... >> >> > >> >> > School bus? Or is that gone now? >> >> > >> >> > -- Jim >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ___ >> >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> >> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > >> >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date: >> > 7/12/2007 >> > 4:08 PM >> > >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date: 7/12/2007 > 4:08 PM > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated?
Ha! I don't know what's worse -- your view of your (which sounds like my moms house) house or the blob that passes for my houes! Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated? > it's got a pretty clear view of my house. years ago though, when > there was a late model white suv, bermuda grass and a very clean > driveway. alas, today, it's crappy old benzes, georgia weeds and lots > of oil stains. if the previous owner weren't dead, she'd kill me if > she drove by this place! > > On 7/14/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> My problem using Google Earth is they all seem pretty out of focus - my >> neighborhood is a green & gray blob. >> >> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) >> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts >> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil >> PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net >> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs >> Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ >> . >> - Original Message - >> From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 2:20 PM >> Subject: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated? >> >> >> > So you can stalk your old vehicle using google earth - cool. >> > >> > Actually I have wondered something about Google Earth: How often are >> > the pictures updated - or are they updated at all? >> > >> > I ask because I have thought the same thing - you can sort of keep >> > tabs on things if the pictures are updated often enough. >> > >> > This way, I suppose, if one's ex-girlfriend was fat enough, you could >> > even stalk her. >> > >> > Brian >> > >> > On 7/14/07, Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Gave it away... But its still on google earth! >> >> >> >> Why? did you want it? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > > I am in. We can have it at my place here in Olympia too, I have >> >> > lots >> >> > > of room and some other cool old junk to ogle. Unimogs, >> >> > > turbodiesel >> >> > > vanagon, Haflinger, MB 406D delivery van... >> >> > >> >> > School bus? Or is that gone now? >> >> > >> >> > -- Jim >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ___ >> >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> >> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > >> >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date: >> > 7/12/2007 >> > 4:08 PM >> > >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date: 7/12/2007 > 4:08 PM > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated?
eeeww, you besmirched my computer with microsnot stuff! On Jul 14, 2007, at 1:00 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: > Google Earth has been updated at least once, but not often. > > Try this site: http://local.live.com/. It has a lot more hi res. > > Scott Ritchey > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mercedes- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of LarryT > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 15:44 > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated? > > My problem using Google Earth is they all seem pretty out of focus > - my > neighborhood is a green & gray blob. > > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ > . > - Original Message - > From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 2:20 PM > Subject: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated? > > >> So you can stalk your old vehicle using google earth - cool. >> >> Actually I have wondered something about Google Earth: How often are >> the pictures updated - or are they updated at all? >> >> I ask because I have thought the same thing - you can sort of keep >> tabs on things if the pictures are updated often enough. >> >> This way, I suppose, if one's ex-girlfriend was fat enough, you could >> even stalk her. >> >> Brian >> >> On 7/14/07, Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> Gave it away... But its still on google earth! >>> >>> Why? did you want it? >>> >>> >>> >>> --- Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> > I am in. We can have it at my place here in Olympia too, I have lots > of room and some other cool old junk to ogle. Unimogs, > turbodiesel > vanagon, Haflinger, MB 406D delivery van... School bus? Or is that gone now? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date: >> 7/12/2007 >> 4:08 PM >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated?
The pix at my house are at least 5 years old. Shows the neighbors house with the old roofing and prior to additions to my deck. clay On Jul 14, 2007, at 12:57 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote: > Wow, that's dissapointing - pictures over two years old? > > And yes, I've noticed the blurry areas too. Around here, I assumed it > was that there was cloud cover in those areas at the time the shots > were taken. > > Brian > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gump shift
I am very certain there was no way to get the old bushing out while it was installed on the transmission, so . Not going to spring for some garage monkey to charge $150/hr to do the exact same thing I did for free. I might be willing to pay after a few more days of messing with it and not getting it right though On Jul 14, 2007, at 12:17 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: >> removed those to get at the old bushing material and replace it. >> When I put it back on, I may have miss mounted by a few teeth on the >> shaft where it was marked to go. > > Took it apart to make the job easier, eh? Don't you hate > it when that happens? I sure do! > > -- Jim -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Brake Lines
Hi Fred, I bought 2 from Rusty - the 2 rear ones on my 91 300D are bad - the fittings are rounded off. Looks like someone used a pair of pliers on them. So, I spoke with Rusty and he ordered them - one was in stock the other came from Germany. I was surprised to learn one was no longer stocked and it required an order from Germany. I have them both now but have not yet installed either yet. I bought 3 tools to bend metal brake lines - they're pretty inexpensive and I wanted one that would not crimp the pipe. Don't know about yours, but the ones on my '91 W124 have a special green coating on them. The coating looks like Army green and seems very hard. Buying a straight piece ready made from FLAPs would work but it would not have the proper coatng so I dropped that idea. I am replacing my rear calipers also - again, the PO screwed the bleed valves up pretty badly - they were rounded off, likely the same friggin PO using the same friggin pair of pliers. A couple broke off. Anyway, a fellow lister (Thanks!!) sold me a set of calipers, pads and rotors for both the front & rear of my 91 300D. The front ones went on easily when I installed them last weekend. So, to answer your question - Rusty sells them but they are not in the Online Catalog, you'll need to send him a note or ask a online question. He'll probably get the brake line from MB but you get a discount not available from MB-USA. Then you will have to bend them. You should probably replace the rubber hoses at the same time. Good luck - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: "Fred Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 3:43 PM Subject: [MBZ] Brake Lines > Does anyone have any experience buying pre formed hard > brake lines or bending their own? Couldn't find them > on Rusty's site. > > Had an experience driving home from work yesterday in > the SD wherein I'll have to replace one of the hard > brake lines for the front brakes. > > Thanks, > Fred Johnson > Chicago > 1977 240D > 1983 300SD > 1991 A/R 164L > 1996 Civic > > > > > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! > http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date: 7/12/2007 > 4:08 PM > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Questions for A/C wizards
> Jim, have you had any trouble removing the R134a conversion fittings, > since they're theoretically permanent? Is there a trick to breaking > them free without damaging the R12 fitting underneath? (Propane > torch? BFH? Prayer?) Usually they've just come right off. Age? But I think a bit of heat (evacuted!) would do it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134
well the condensor maybe, not evaporator OK Don wrote: > I think he can step outside and measure to see if there's a difference > >>> Can you compare pulley sizes in the EPC? >> Or maybe get the part number off the parts in one of the cars you have >> converted that didn't work so well and compare the numbers with those in >> the EPC? > > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134
what other elements are different? Tarek Elshenawy wrote: > It's due to the thermodynamic properties of both refrigerants. Regardless of > part numbers, R12 and R134a systems are designed to run on R12 and R134a, > respectively. When you convert an R12 system to R134a, it is simply not as > efficient at cooling due to the differences in thermodynamic properties. > Even if the evaporator and condenser have the same part number, there are > other elements in the system that are different. > > SN > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134
yea, I could check that but I think they are the same, the compressors look identical along with their pullies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 7/14/2007 9:04:44 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > This I know. What I want to know is why the 124's with factory 134 blow ice > cold, and the epc shows the same part number. Are they bigger but have the > same part number? > > > > Kaleb, > > Horsepower requirements for R134 are generally quoted at 15-20% more than > R12. I would look for variations in pulley sizes which would drive the R134 > compressors faster at the same given engine speed. The same condenser could > be > used if head pressures were to run higher due to the faster speeds. Can you > compare pulley sizes in the EPC? > > Jim Friesen > Phoenix AZ > 79 300SD, 267 K miles > 98 ML 320, 151 K miles > > > > > ** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] IowaQ -- September better?
Lets not forget you are getting into RustyQ time frame. The august deal is still pretty close to when the rustyQ normally is. Wonko the Sane wrote: > I am starting to sense that mid/late September would be better for the > gathering. I picked August only so it wouldn't conflict with kids' school > schedules. (I refer to other folks with kids, not me -- only one left in > school is a university student.) > > I suggest we disregard the 8/18 date and plan something for after Labor Day. > > > Thoughts? > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134
I think he can step outside and measure to see if there's a difference > > > > Can you compare pulley sizes in the EPC? > > Or maybe get the part number off the parts in one of the cars you have > converted that didn't work so well and compare the numbers with those in > the EPC? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] IowaQ -- September better?
Definitely better for me -- On 7/14/07, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am starting to sense that mid/late September would be better for the > gathering. I picked August only so it wouldn't conflict with kids' school > schedules. (I refer to other folks with kids, not me -- only one left in > school is a university student.) > > I suggest we disregard the 8/18 date and plan something for after Labor Day. > > > Thoughts? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated?
I'm not running Windows and it works for me... -Curt Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 15:45:22 -0600 From: Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated? To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:30:57 -0400 "Scott Ritchey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm stumped. > > I get the Microsoft live search version of Mappoint when I type in > local.live.com. > > A Google search came up with http://maps.live.com which went to the same > page. Try that. > > Scott > That link takes me to the same page as I had before, http://intl.local.live.com/ . It's labeled, "Live Local Search Beta." Maybe because I'm not running Windows they don't give me the same page as they give you. Craig - Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134
I suggest you pull an evaporator from a newer Mercedes & see if there is a difference. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 11:05 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134 This I know. What I want to know is why the 124's with factory 134 blow ice cold, and the epc shows the same part number. Are they bigger but have the same part number? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134 > Kaleb, > > R134a has about 20% less thermal mass than R12 and R134a moves 20% less > heat. All of the auto manufacturers made up the difference by upsizing the > units. > > R12 sized evaporators are about 20% too small for R134a. The factory R134c > systems have evaporators that are sized correctly for R134a. > > There is no "magic bullet" fix for this issue but you can help some by > under > charging the system & forcing the evaporator to run colder than it > normally > would. But this causes icing. > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 9:41 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134 > > really, I hadnt thought of that actually. In the past, I have used the > kit > and just removed the R12 (well, there was usually nothign in the system) > and > > recharged with the 134 in the conversion kit. Never had a problem and it > usually worked pretty good, but not as good as freeze you out factory 134. > Next time I do a conversion Im thinking I should change out the drier, > maybe > > pull the compressor and drain the oil out of that, switch the expansion > valve then recharge etc. Anything else? > > --- > Kaleb C. Striplin > Cox Auto Trader > 730 PP Supervisor > > - Original Message - > From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 9:32 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134 > > >>> any idea why the factory got 134 to cool great in a 124 but if you >>> convert it after the fact it does not? >> >> Too much oil? (As in the old R12 oil is not fully removed.) >> Just a guess. >> >> -- Jim >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] IowaQ -- September better?
I am starting to sense that mid/late September would be better for the gathering. I picked August only so it wouldn't conflict with kids' school schedules. (I refer to other folks with kids, not me -- only one left in school is a university student.) I suggest we disregard the 8/18 date and plan something for after Labor Day. Thoughts? -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134
It's a little more complex than that. Maybe this is the best way to explain what's going on: The amount of energy required to convert one pound of R134a from liquid to gas is about 80% of R12. In other words, running R134a in a R12 system is only 80% as efficient. Auto makers compensated for this by making R134a evaporators 20% larger, this is why the newer systems cool so well. Trying to move R134a refrigerant through a R12 system faster won't help. Also, head pressure is dependent on condenser temperature. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 5:21 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134 In a message dated 7/14/2007 9:04:44 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This I know. What I want to know is why the 124's with factory 134 blow ice cold, and the epc shows the same part number. Are they bigger but have the same part number? Kaleb, Horsepower requirements for R134 are generally quoted at 15-20% more than R12. I would look for variations in pulley sizes which would drive the R134 compressors faster at the same given engine speed. The same condenser could be used if head pressures were to run higher due to the faster speeds. Can you compare pulley sizes in the EPC? Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 267 K miles 98 ML 320, 151 K miles ** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134
It's due to the thermodynamic properties of both refrigerants. Regardless of part numbers, R12 and R134a systems are designed to run on R12 and R134a, respectively. When you convert an R12 system to R134a, it is simply not as efficient at cooling due to the differences in thermodynamic properties. Even if the evaporator and condenser have the same part number, there are other elements in the system that are different. SN -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 9:26 AM To: mercedes Mailing List Subject: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134 OK, so my 91 300D has R12 from the factory, my 92 300D has 134 from the factory. The R12 blow ice cold. The r134 stock system also blow ice cold. The 134 stock system in my 94 E420 also blows ice cold. Got me to thinking, how did the factory get 134 to blow ice cold, but if you convert r12 to 134, it doesnt blow as cold. So I thought the evaporator and condensor must be different. Check the EPC and both are exactly the same part number. Strange. Only difference is the expansion valve. I have coverted cars before and used the 134 expansion valve and it still didnt seem to cool as good as these factory 124's with 134. Anybody got any idea why the factory got 134 to cool great in a 124 but if you convert it after the fact it does not? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:20:57 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 7/14/2007 9:04:44 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > This I know. What I want to know is why the 124's with factory 134 blow > ice cold and the epc shows the same part number. Are they bigger but > have the same part number? > > Can you compare pulley sizes in the EPC? Or maybe get the part number off the parts in one of the cars you have converted that didn't work so well and compare the numbers with those in the EPC? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134
In a message dated 7/14/2007 9:04:44 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This I know. What I want to know is why the 124's with factory 134 blow ice cold, and the epc shows the same part number. Are they bigger but have the same part number? Kaleb, Horsepower requirements for R134 are generally quoted at 15-20% more than R12. I would look for variations in pulley sizes which would drive the R134 compressors faster at the same given engine speed. The same condenser could be used if head pressures were to run higher due to the faster speeds. Can you compare pulley sizes in the EPC? Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 267 K miles 98 ML 320, 151 K miles ** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Outback
My sister had a Datsun B210. We often referred to it as the "atomic cockroach," as we felt that it resembled a huge cockroach that might have resulted from exposure to radiation, a la' bad 1950s scifi movie. Sort of loses something in the explanation. While we're reminiscing, check out one of my favorite dead sites for older cars: http://mars.superlink.net/~rriegler/sml/ Dan --- Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:15:15 -0700 (PDT) LWB250 > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Even back in the days of the "atomic cockroach" > (Datsun B210) > > Atomic cockroach? > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated?
I tried to get to this link with both Safari and Firefox and still got the Beta and the What/Where boxes Tried my address in where and reply: Complete what entry! Am I missing something? Google map of my house is about a year old. Take care, Chuck On Jul 14, 2007, at 2:45 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote: > http://intl.local.live.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Outback
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:15:15 -0700 (PDT) LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Even back in the days of the "atomic cockroach" (Datsun B210) Atomic cockroach? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated?
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:30:57 -0400 "Scott Ritchey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm stumped. > > I get the Microsoft live search version of Mappoint when I type in > local.live.com. > > A Google search came up with http://maps.live.com which went to the same > page. Try that. > > Scott > That link takes me to the same page as I had before, http://intl.local.live.com/ . It's labeled, "Live Local Search Beta." Maybe because I'm not running Windows they don't give me the same page as they give you. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Brake Lines
Dan and Rich, thanks for your motivation. Will have to go out to the NAPA and get started. Fred --- Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You can get the tube at the auto parts store, and > the fittings (make > sure you put them on before you do the flare!) and > the flaring and > bending tools, which aren't much money (or the auto > parts store might > let you borrow them). It is not hard to do if you > just don't bend too > far or too fast. I have made up lines before, the > hardest part is not > cutting it too short! > > --R > > Fred Johnson wrote: > > Does anyone have any experience buying pre formed > hard > > brake lines or bending their own? Couldn't find > them > > on Rusty's site. > > > > Had an experience driving home from work yesterday > in > > the SD wherein I'll have to replace one of the > hard > > brake lines for the front brakes. > > > > Thanks, > > Fred Johnson > > Chicago > > 1977 240D > > 1983 300SD > > 1991 A/R 164L > > 1996 Civic > > > > > > > > > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network > Research Panel today! > http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated?
I'm stumped. I get the Microsoft live search version of Mappoint when I type in local.live.com. A Google search came up with http://maps.live.com which went to the same page. Try that. Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig McCluskey Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 16:50 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated? On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:00:48 -0400 "Scott Ritchey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Google Earth has been updated at least once, but not often. > > Try this site: http://local.live.com/. It has a lot more hi res. I double-click on the URL and end up at http://intl.local.live.com/, which appears to be a search engine. It has a, "What," text box and a, "Where," text box. How do I get hi-res satellite images? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated?
For the area of Maine where my farm is their image is high rez but very very old. Its hard to know for sure but I'd say pre-'01 anyway. Around my parent's house its interesting because the hybrid overlay shows streets that don't exist in the image. They also have considerably less detail than GoogleMaps at least in my Parent's area. The GoogleMaps image of my parents house was taken in November '04 the week of Veterans day, I can tell because my pickup is in the picture parked on my parent's lawn. For where I live they have birds eye view available which is pretty cool. You can just almost see my house. The regular image of my house is pretty new, not more than say 3 years old but not newer than a year. -Curt Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:00:48 -0400 From: "Scott Ritchey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated? To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Google Earth has been updated at least once, but not often. Try this site: http://local.live.com/. It has a lot more hi res. Scott Ritchey - Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Outback
The Outbacks seem to be very popular among the higher education crowd for some reason. The university that I attend and work at has an inordinate (to me) number of them in our College of Education parking lot. I know two different professors who own them - there are obviously others, too. Subarus have always been very reliable, high mileage Asian cars, IMHO. Even back in the days of the "atomic cockroach" (Datsun B210) Subarus were typical of Asian cars of the time, but pretty bulletproof. Dan Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Outback
Wishing you many years of happy use. We considered a Subaru a while back. They're one of the new cars that I would - maybe - own. I don't know what's up with the styling of that tribeca though. I have a fondness for seeing the old wagons, though I really know nothing about them. Subaru, however, seems to be a brand that has gotten very full of itself, as has VW - at least judging by the prices!! I know - if people will pay it, they will charge it. All about what's in fashion. Brian On 7/14/07, Scott Ritchey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > With 3 cars, all over 20 years old, we decided to buy a new car to have at > least one under 200K miles and under warranty. My wife despises SUVs and > really wanted another station wagon. After long study, we just bought a > Subaru Outback today. It's a bit small but it reminds me of vintage > Mercedes in many ways. For one thing, all the tech data is online for > nominal cost and they seem to track your service history and provide servive > bulletins (online). Maybe all brands do this now, but somehow I doubt it. > If anything really remarkable occurs, I'll report. > > > > Scott Ritchey > > 1979 300TD 350k mi > > 1982 300SD 230k mi > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated?
Zoltan Finks wrote: > So you can stalk your old vehicle using google earth - cool. > > Actually I have wondered something about Google Earth: How often are > the pictures updated - or are they updated at all? > > I ask because I have thought the same thing - you can sort of keep > tabs on things if the pictures are updated often enough. > > This way, I suppose, if one's ex-girlfriend was fat enough, you could > even stalk her. The pictures of my house shows 4 Mercedes parked in the driveway, but the 4th was retired and "went away" well over 16 months ago. I believe the picture is closer to 2 years old. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated?
it's got a pretty clear view of my house. years ago though, when there was a late model white suv, bermuda grass and a very clean driveway. alas, today, it's crappy old benzes, georgia weeds and lots of oil stains. if the previous owner weren't dead, she'd kill me if she drove by this place! On 7/14/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My problem using Google Earth is they all seem pretty out of focus - my > neighborhood is a green & gray blob. > > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ > . > - Original Message - > From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 2:20 PM > Subject: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated? > > > > So you can stalk your old vehicle using google earth - cool. > > > > Actually I have wondered something about Google Earth: How often are > > the pictures updated - or are they updated at all? > > > > I ask because I have thought the same thing - you can sort of keep > > tabs on things if the pictures are updated often enough. > > > > This way, I suppose, if one's ex-girlfriend was fat enough, you could > > even stalk her. > > > > Brian > > > > On 7/14/07, Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> Gave it away... But its still on google earth! > >> > >> Why? did you want it? > >> > >> > >> > >> --- Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > > I am in. We can have it at my place here in Olympia too, I have > >> > lots > >> > > of room and some other cool old junk to ogle. Unimogs, turbodiesel > >> > > vanagon, Haflinger, MB 406D delivery van... > >> > > >> > School bus? Or is that gone now? > >> > > >> > -- Jim > >> > > >> > > >> > ___ > >> > http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date: 7/12/2007 > > 4:08 PM > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 lower belt tensioner pivots
Peter Frederick wrote: > Just a note to those with high milage 603s -- the lower pivot can cause > all sorts of havoc long before it goes atilt and starts the belt > scrubbing. My brother and I replaced both of them (and get the roller, > too!) on our cars, mine because the belt was groaning and whistling due > to a tilted pivot and his because he had excessive belt noise, mostly > squealing. > > Not a bad job, although we ended up making a tool for the 12mm > sockethead bolt -- very hard to find a 12 mm hex driver in 3/8 drive > for some reason (although Snap-On has on with a 1/4" drive for some > reason) and the 1/2" drive won't fit unless you remove the fan clutch, > which is a real PITA on the W124. > > Take the roller off, remove the shock upper mount, and remove the bolt, > and you will very likely find a bad bearing in the pivot. Mine was > rough, Sam's was acting like a ratchet under load, only turning one > way, very rough. > > My roller is still bad, but the engine is MUCH quieter now -- what > sounded like injector knock appears to have been the sticking pivot > bearing clonking away. Sam's is much better, although he still has too > much shake at idle, probably a timing issue that only the local dealer > can address at the moment. > > He also had the belt routed wrong, which doesn't help much for squeal. > He'd pulled the loop for the tensioner roller from between the > alternator and the fan pulley instead of between the alternator and > crank -- wondered why it was so easy for him as that job is a pain on > the W124 with the fan on. > > Both cars have more than 200,000 miles, both eariler engines for what > that's worth. Total costs for parts is $120 or so, but well worth it. The cause of "what sounded like injector knock (but what) appears to have been the sticking pivot bearing clonking away," more often results from failure of the tensioner shock bushings. I've had perhaps 6-7 shocks on OM60x engines go bad vs one sticking pivot bearing. Once the arm cocks all bets are off and it MUST be replaced. I've had no trouble using a slightly modified Auto Zone 12 mm 1/2" hex and never needed to remove the fan clutch (or the fan). Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated?
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:00:48 -0400 "Scott Ritchey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Google Earth has been updated at least once, but not often. > > Try this site: http://local.live.com/. It has a lot more hi res. I double-click on the URL and end up at http://intl.local.live.com/, which appears to be a search engine. It has a, "What," text box and a, "Where," text box. How do I get hi-res satellite images? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: New Outback
With 3 cars, all over 20 years old, we decided to buy a new car to have at least one under 200K miles and under warranty. My wife despises SUVs and really wanted another station wagon. After long study, we just bought a Subaru Outback today. It's a bit small but it reminds me of vintage Mercedes in many ways. For one thing, all the tech data is online for nominal cost and they seem to track your service history and provide servive bulletins (online). Maybe all brands do this now, but somehow I doubt it. If anything really remarkable occurs, I'll report. Scott Ritchey 1979 300TD 350k mi 1982 300SD 230k mi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Return of the greater Boston crack smokers
Those things were actually pretty peppy and got great mileage, but were poorly built and parts were impossible to find 15 years ago, I can't imagine trying to keep one on the road now. ---Robert Kevin Kraly wrote: > I'm tempted to look at a diesel Cherokee but a v6 GMC diesel, thats gotta be > the 4.3 which IIRC is 85hp... > > 85HP out of 4.3L? What a PIG! I'm sure it weighs more than a NA 617 too, > and that puts out 88HP with 3.0L displacement. what did the original > Renault put out? Was that a 2.2L NA 4 cylinder DIesel? > > Kevin in Portland, OR > 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated?
Heh. Sorry, but I've been retired from that gig for nearly 10 years. However, I can tell you that the KH series birds can resolve down to about 10cm, at least they used to be. No doubt it's even better by now... Dan --- Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dan can get you pics of your old girlfriend, and you > can check out > exactly how much weight she has put on, and what her > eye color is. > > --R > > LWB250 wrote: > > Dan (who used to do work for the NRO, the > "keepers" of > > FOPEN and KH series satellites) > > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] IowaQ date -- 8/18/07
Connie is nervous about 8/18...only 6 days from due date...although I think I could still do it. The boy is big, so may come earlier than due date. All the girls were late by a few days to a week. Chris Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Does anyone who is planning to attend have a problem with scheduling it for 8/18/07? I'm busy on 8/25 and 9/1 is of course a long weekend. Location: Jefferson IA. http://jeffersoniowa.com/ -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri "Ohne Zucht keine Leistung, ohne Leistung keine Zucht!" -2006 GSD, "Anke" (Yanke von der Burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, "Sammy" (Zane von der Burg Austerlitz) "Freude an der Arbeit: Hoechste Leistung - Mercedes-Benz." -1985 300SD, 223K miles, "Wulf" -1982 300Dt, 118K miles, "little blue klatter box" - Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] IowaQ
Bob bangs-tiny-things-together-to-make-water-wicked-hot R, Thanks! You'll be missed. Since I missed the last OkieQ, I haven't seen anyone in a while. Enjoy your classes! (pay attention...I don't want the fallout of your mistake landing in Missouri). Pittsburgh (home town) was close enough to TMI that I would rather not have that worry again...at least we were upwind. Chris Robert Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Congratulations on the eminent boy-child, Chris. I'd love to do the Q but we as a license class have been admonished to not miss any class time. The first two weeks were brutal (thermodynamics and fluids) this week we started nuclear physics and reactor theorymuch better. My turd herdin' brain hurts. Bob R. Learnin' how to bang wee, small things into each other and make water wicked hot -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher McCann Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 6:37 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] IowaQ Karl McCann is due August 24...outside of that, I'll be there, probably with Mary and Kate in tow. Will leave the Shepherds at home. :-) With 30,000 mile maintenance just done, I am dying for a road trip. Chris Wonko the Sane wrote: How many would be interested in coming to west-central Iowa in August/September for a get-together? (Jefferson, Iowa) Kleb's apparently not doing an OkieQ this year, so this would be same thing (sans junkyard-backyard) except eight hour north on I-35. I will go with the Biblical model in scheduling: "Where three or four are gathered together ." -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, happy customer of austerlitzshepherds.com "Ohne Zucht keine Leistung, ohne Leistung keine Zucht!" -2006 GSD, "Anke" (Yanke von der Burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, "Sammy" (Zane von der Burg Austerlitz) "Freude an der Arbeit: Hoechste Leistung - Mercedes-Benz." -1985 300SD, 223K miles, "Wulf" -1982 300Dt, 118K miles, "little blue klatter box" - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri "Ohne Zucht keine Leistung, ohne Leistung keine Zucht!" -2006 GSD, "Anke" (Yanke von der Burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, "Sammy" (Zane von der Burg Austerlitz) "Freude an der Arbeit: Hoechste Leistung - Mercedes-Benz." -1985 300SD, 223K miles, "Wulf" -1982 300Dt, 118K miles, "little blue klatter box" - Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated?
Dan can get you pics of your old girlfriend, and you can check out exactly how much weight she has put on, and what her eye color is. --R LWB250 wrote: > Dan (who used to do work for the NRO, the "keepers" of > FOPEN and KH series satellites) > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated?
Google gets imagery from a number of different sources, mostly commercial ones (which they have to pay for.) As a result, they might not use the highest resolution imagery available for a given area, depending on who the source is. Much of the imagery used to be government low resolution, which is the greenish-looking out-of focus stuff. However, they are in the process of updating a lot of their imagery from commercial sources, like Europa and TerraMetrics. But - they have to pay for it.. If you scroll across the globe, you'll see the credits for the supplier of the imagery on your screen at the bottom. When you're overlapping, you'll see both. Dan (who used to do work for the NRO, the "keepers" of FOPEN and KH series satellites) Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated?
Google Earth has been updated at least once, but not often. Try this site: http://local.live.com/. It has a lot more hi res. Scott Ritchey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 15:44 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated? My problem using Google Earth is they all seem pretty out of focus - my neighborhood is a green & gray blob. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 2:20 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated? > So you can stalk your old vehicle using google earth - cool. > > Actually I have wondered something about Google Earth: How often are > the pictures updated - or are they updated at all? > > I ask because I have thought the same thing - you can sort of keep > tabs on things if the pictures are updated often enough. > > This way, I suppose, if one's ex-girlfriend was fat enough, you could > even stalk her. > > Brian > > On 7/14/07, Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Gave it away... But its still on google earth! >> >> Why? did you want it? >> >> >> >> --- Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > > I am in. We can have it at my place here in Olympia too, I have >> > lots >> > > of room and some other cool old junk to ogle. Unimogs, turbodiesel >> > > vanagon, Haflinger, MB 406D delivery van... >> > >> > School bus? Or is that gone now? >> > >> > -- Jim >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date: 7/12/2007 > 4:08 PM > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated?
Wow, that's dissapointing - pictures over two years old? And yes, I've noticed the blurry areas too. Around here, I assumed it was that there was cloud cover in those areas at the time the shots were taken. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Brake Lines
You can get the tube at the auto parts store, and the fittings (make sure you put them on before you do the flare!) and the flaring and bending tools, which aren't much money (or the auto parts store might let you borrow them). It is not hard to do if you just don't bend too far or too fast. I have made up lines before, the hardest part is not cutting it too short! --R Fred Johnson wrote: > Does anyone have any experience buying pre formed hard > brake lines or bending their own? Couldn't find them > on Rusty's site. > > Had an experience driving home from work yesterday in > the SD wherein I'll have to replace one of the hard > brake lines for the front brakes. > > Thanks, > Fred Johnson > Chicago > 1977 240D > 1983 300SD > 1991 A/R 164L > 1996 Civic > > > > > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! > http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Brake Lines
IIRC, when you order a hard brake line from MB, it comes unbent. At least ones for older cars do. I think I had to replace a couple of lines on a 114 one time, and they came straight. There are cheap hand held tubing benders that are pretty easy to use. Buy one and practice on a scrap piece. Just remember - like bending conduit, you're better off getting close and then tweakig it than going for the full bend out of the gate. Dan The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated?
My problem using Google Earth is they all seem pretty out of focus - my neighborhood is a green & gray blob. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 2:20 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated? > So you can stalk your old vehicle using google earth - cool. > > Actually I have wondered something about Google Earth: How often are > the pictures updated - or are they updated at all? > > I ask because I have thought the same thing - you can sort of keep > tabs on things if the pictures are updated often enough. > > This way, I suppose, if one's ex-girlfriend was fat enough, you could > even stalk her. > > Brian > > On 7/14/07, Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Gave it away... But its still on google earth! >> >> Why? did you want it? >> >> >> >> --- Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > > I am in. We can have it at my place here in Olympia too, I have >> > lots >> > > of room and some other cool old junk to ogle. Unimogs, turbodiesel >> > > vanagon, Haflinger, MB 406D delivery van... >> > >> > School bus? Or is that gone now? >> > >> > -- Jim >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date: 7/12/2007 > 4:08 PM > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Brake Lines
Does anyone have any experience buying pre formed hard brake lines or bending their own? Couldn't find them on Rusty's site. Had an experience driving home from work yesterday in the SD wherein I'll have to replace one of the hard brake lines for the front brakes. Thanks, Fred Johnson Chicago 1977 240D 1983 300SD 1991 A/R 164L 1996 Civic Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Return of the greater Boston crack smokers
I'm tempted to look at a diesel Cherokee but a v6 GMC diesel, thats gotta be the 4.3 which IIRC is 85hp... 85HP out of 4.3L? What a PIG! I'm sure it weighs more than a NA 617 too, and that puts out 88HP with 3.0L displacement. what did the original Renault put out? Was that a 2.2L NA 4 cylinder DIesel? Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Some days...
Got a guy coming to look at a snowmobile tomorrow so I figured I better get it started today and make sure everything is right with it. Well I got to pulling, its a 3 cylinder and really makes you work. I played out without making it run for more than 30 seconds. Went back after lunch and farted around a bit until I noticed the fuel filter was totally empty... Put a gallon of extra gas and on the third pull it fired right up. Some days I tell ya.. -Curt - Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OM 603 lower belt tensioner pivots
Just a note to those with high milage 603s -- the lower pivot can cause all sorts of havoc long before it goes atilt and starts the belt scrubbing. My brother and I replaced both of them (and get the roller, too!) on our cars, mine because the belt was groaning and whistling due to a tilted pivot and his because he had excessive belt noise, mostly squealing. Not a bad job, although we ended up making a tool for the 12mm sockethead bolt -- very hard to find a 12 mm hex driver in 3/8 drive for some reason (although Snap-On has on with a 1/4" drive for some reason) and the 1/2" drive won't fit unless you remove the fan clutch, which is a real PITA on the W124. Take the roller off, remove the shock upper mount, and remove the bolt, and you will very likely find a bad bearing in the pivot. Mine was rough, Sam's was acting like a ratchet under load, only turning one way, very rough. My roller is still bad, but the engine is MUCH quieter now -- what sounded like injector knock appears to have been the sticking pivot bearing clonking away. Sam's is much better, although he still has too much shake at idle, probably a timing issue that only the local dealer can address at the moment. He also had the belt routed wrong, which doesn't help much for squeal. He'd pulled the loop for the tensioner roller from between the alternator and the fan pulley instead of between the alternator and crank -- wondered why it was so easy for him as that job is a pain on the W124 with the fan on. Both cars have more than 200,000 miles, both eariler engines for what that's worth. Total costs for parts is $120 or so, but well worth it. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated?
Probably not often. I got a great night view of our house and you could see the heat coming off the engine on my wife's car...problem is, she'd been out of town all day and the car wasn't there, a little more searching the area showed two giant churches that had been built down the road about 2 years earlier, were dirt lots. -Robert Zoltan Finks wrote: > So you can stalk your old vehicle using google earth - cool. > > Actually I have wondered something about Google Earth: How often are > the pictures updated - or are they updated at all? > > I ask because I have thought the same thing - you can sort of keep > tabs on things if the pictures are updated often enough. > > This way, I suppose, if one's ex-girlfriend was fat enough, you could > even stalk her. > > Brian > > On 7/14/07, Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Gave it away... But its still on google earth! >> >> Why? did you want it? >> >> >> >> --- Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I am in. We can have it at my place here in Olympia too, I have >>> lots >>> of room and some other cool old junk to ogle. Unimogs, turbodiesel vanagon, Haflinger, MB 406D delivery van... >>> School bus? Or is that gone now? >>> >>> -- Jim >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Do Google Earth pictures get updated?
So you can stalk your old vehicle using google earth - cool. Actually I have wondered something about Google Earth: How often are the pictures updated - or are they updated at all? I ask because I have thought the same thing - you can sort of keep tabs on things if the pictures are updated often enough. This way, I suppose, if one's ex-girlfriend was fat enough, you could even stalk her. Brian On 7/14/07, Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Gave it away... But its still on google earth! > > Why? did you want it? > > > > --- Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I am in. We can have it at my place here in Olympia too, I have > > lots > > > of room and some other cool old junk to ogle. Unimogs, turbodiesel > > > vanagon, Haflinger, MB 406D delivery van... > > > > School bus? Or is that gone now? > > > > -- Jim > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > OK, so my 91 300D has R12 from the factory, my 92 300D has 134 from the > factory. The R12 blow ice cold. The r134 stock system also blow ice > cold. The 134 stock system in my 94 E420 also blows ice cold. Got me > to thinking, how did the factory get 134 to blow ice cold, but if you > convert r12 to 134, it doesnt blow as cold. So I thought the evaporator > and condensor must be different. Check the EPC and both are exactly the > same part number. Strange. Only difference is the expansion valve. I > have coverted cars before and used the 134 expansion valve and it still > didnt seem to cool as good as these factory 124's with 134. Anybody got > any idea why the factory got 134 to cool great in a 124 but if you > convert it after the fact it does not? I expect the part numbers are now the same because the original parts were replaced by newer parts (in the early/mid '90s) and the old parts are no longer stocked. Just as you can no longer buy 1 or 1.2 bad radiator caps but only 1.4 bar caps that are now are supplied for all cars no matter what they came with originally. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134
well like I said, the expansion valve is different for 134, so maybe that makes a difference --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: "archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134 >I looked up the molecular weight of both: R-12=121, R-134a=102. It would > seem to me that if you used a pump pulley small enough to increase the > pumps > output 20%, there should be some improvement. At the same time if you > could > change the opening pressure of the expansion valve to account for the > decreased density of R-134a, that should also improve the efficiency of > the > system. Does this make any sense? > Gerry Archer > '83 300D and 240D > -- > - Original Message - > From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> R134a has about 20% less thermal mass than R12 and R134a moves 20% less >> heat. All of the auto manufacturers made up the difference by upsizing >> the >> units. >> >> R12 sized evaporators are about 20% too small for R134a. The factory >> R134c >> systems have evaporators that are sized correctly for R134a. >> >> There is no "magic bullet" fix for this issue but you can help some by >> under >> charging the system & forcing the evaporator to run colder than it >> normally >> would. But this causes icing. >> >> Thanks, >> Tom Hargrave >> www.kegkits.com >> 256-656-1924 >> >> >> -Original Message- >> On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, >> really, I hadnt thought of that actually. In the past, I have used the >> kit >> and just removed the R12 (well, there was usually nothign in the system) >> and >> >> recharged with the 134 in the conversion kit. Never had a problem and it >> usually worked pretty good, but not as good as freeze you out factory >> 134. >> Next time I do a conversion Im thinking I should change out the drier, >> maybe >> >> pull the compressor and drain the oil out of that, switch the expansion >> valve then recharge etc. Anything else? >> >> --- >> Kaleb C. Striplin >> Cox Auto Trader >> 730 PP Supervisor >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 9:32 AM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134 >> >> any idea why the factory got 134 to cool great in a 124 but if you convert it after the fact it does not? >>> >>> Too much oil? (As in the old R12 oil is not fully removed.) >>> Just a guess. >>> >>> -- Jim >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.5/899 - Release Date: 7/13/2007 >> 3:41 PM >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134
I looked up the molecular weight of both: R-12=121, R-134a=102. It would seem to me that if you used a pump pulley small enough to increase the pumps output 20%, there should be some improvement. At the same time if you could change the opening pressure of the expansion valve to account for the decreased density of R-134a, that should also improve the efficiency of the system. Does this make any sense? Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D -- - Original Message - From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > R134a has about 20% less thermal mass than R12 and R134a moves 20% less > heat. All of the auto manufacturers made up the difference by upsizing the > units. > > R12 sized evaporators are about 20% too small for R134a. The factory R134c > systems have evaporators that are sized correctly for R134a. > > There is no "magic bullet" fix for this issue but you can help some by > under > charging the system & forcing the evaporator to run colder than it > normally > would. But this causes icing. > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 > > > -Original Message- > On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, > really, I hadnt thought of that actually. In the past, I have used the > kit > and just removed the R12 (well, there was usually nothign in the system) > and > > recharged with the 134 in the conversion kit. Never had a problem and it > usually worked pretty good, but not as good as freeze you out factory 134. > Next time I do a conversion Im thinking I should change out the drier, > maybe > > pull the compressor and drain the oil out of that, switch the expansion > valve then recharge etc. Anything else? > > --- > Kaleb C. Striplin > Cox Auto Trader > 730 PP Supervisor > > - Original Message - > From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 9:32 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134 > > >>> any idea why the factory got 134 to cool great in a 124 but if you >>> convert it after the fact it does not? >> >> Too much oil? (As in the old R12 oil is not fully removed.) >> Just a guess. >> >> -- Jim >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.5/899 - Release Date: 7/13/2007 > 3:41 PM > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Return of the greater Boston crack smokers
After a hiatus of at least a couple weeks the great crack smokers of greater Boston are back. I've seen all these cars before, some for many months. Its amazing people don't get the idea. http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/car/373589789.html $4975 and he can't bother to make all the windows work. http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/car/373639594.html I love this color combo, its what I had on my wagon but $3600 for a 240D auto? Really now... http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/car/372820878.html horribly ugly American iron. If it were running I might buy it for the engine, but $700 for a car that doesn't run? http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/car/372466065.html Ahh Vlad. This one has been for sale for at least a year now. He does seem to indicate it runs now but he's using the same stupid pictures from last year. http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/car/371657340.html More horrible American iron, could he be less descriptive? http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/car/371458609.html $4750 for an '85 300D it better be perfect but why do people not give any details? http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/car/371290291.html I'm tempted to look at a diesel Cherokee but a v6 GMC diesel, thats gotta be the 4.3 which IIRC is 85hp... http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/car/371284319.html This is my favorite I'm sure everybody is dying for a diesel Trooper with a rusted frame. Actually theres a gasser here in town that has a solid frame but rusty body for $700... I'd pay $2950 if it wasn't a basketcase... As usual no affiliation etc, just looking to brighten everybody's Saturday with the folly of others. -Curt - Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134
This I know. What I want to know is why the 124's with factory 134 blow ice cold, and the epc shows the same part number. Are they bigger but have the same part number? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134 > Kaleb, > > R134a has about 20% less thermal mass than R12 and R134a moves 20% less > heat. All of the auto manufacturers made up the difference by upsizing the > units. > > R12 sized evaporators are about 20% too small for R134a. The factory R134c > systems have evaporators that are sized correctly for R134a. > > There is no "magic bullet" fix for this issue but you can help some by > under > charging the system & forcing the evaporator to run colder than it > normally > would. But this causes icing. > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 9:41 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134 > > really, I hadnt thought of that actually. In the past, I have used the > kit > and just removed the R12 (well, there was usually nothign in the system) > and > > recharged with the 134 in the conversion kit. Never had a problem and it > usually worked pretty good, but not as good as freeze you out factory 134. > Next time I do a conversion Im thinking I should change out the drier, > maybe > > pull the compressor and drain the oil out of that, switch the expansion > valve then recharge etc. Anything else? > > --- > Kaleb C. Striplin > Cox Auto Trader > 730 PP Supervisor > > - Original Message - > From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 9:32 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134 > > >>> any idea why the factory got 134 to cool great in a 124 but if you >>> convert it after the fact it does not? >> >> Too much oil? (As in the old R12 oil is not fully removed.) >> Just a guess. >> >> -- Jim >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134
Kaleb, R134a has about 20% less thermal mass than R12 and R134a moves 20% less heat. All of the auto manufacturers made up the difference by upsizing the units. R12 sized evaporators are about 20% too small for R134a. The factory R134c systems have evaporators that are sized correctly for R134a. There is no "magic bullet" fix for this issue but you can help some by under charging the system & forcing the evaporator to run colder than it normally would. But this causes icing. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 9:41 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134 really, I hadnt thought of that actually. In the past, I have used the kit and just removed the R12 (well, there was usually nothign in the system) and recharged with the 134 in the conversion kit. Never had a problem and it usually worked pretty good, but not as good as freeze you out factory 134. Next time I do a conversion Im thinking I should change out the drier, maybe pull the compressor and drain the oil out of that, switch the expansion valve then recharge etc. Anything else? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134 >> any idea why the factory got 134 to cool great in a 124 but if you >> convert it after the fact it does not? > > Too much oil? (As in the old R12 oil is not fully removed.) > Just a guess. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134
would be curious if soembody has seen them side by side. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134 >> I have no idea. The epc just lists the part number. Usually when its >> changed it will say xxx part number, replaced by xxx part number etc. >> This >> doesnt say that but who knows. > > It could be possible that they upgraded the specs > for the same part number, but that doesn't really > sound anal enough. Or perhaps the OEM did it on > their own, making the 'new and improved' version. > > But I'd think that differences would be visible, > if one could compare one to the other. Size, shape, > piping configuration, internal baffles... > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Questions for A/C wizards
On 7/14/07, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I remove the R134a fittings on mine, my R12 gauge set is of > much higher quality, and my vacuum pump only has the old-style > fittings on it. Jim, have you had any trouble removing the R134a conversion fittings, since they're theoretically permanent? Is there a trick to breaking them free without damaging the R12 fitting underneath? (Propane torch? BFH? Prayer?) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tires, again
I betcha it is. My Dad's favorite part about the Jeep Cherokee they used to own was the long lasting car tires it had. I think they were 60,000 mile tires and that thing was absolutely helpless in snow and ice even in 4wd. I'd rather have my 190D with the cheap Contis... Of course my 240D with el'cheapo snows was the best snow vehicle I've ever had... Just put it in gear, dump the clutch and it'd dig until it found something solid to push off of. -Curt Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:35:43 -0500 From: Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] tires, again To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I have had good service from Michelins, long miles on them, which I think must be due to a fairly hard compound. A hard compound is probably not the best for all-weather use, if I understand that soft is generally better in rain, snow, etc. Perhaps the mile warranty might be indicative of the hardness of the tire? --R - Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WA-Q (was: IowaQ date)
> Why? did you want it? Nope, just refreshing my memory! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134
> I have no idea. The epc just lists the part number. Usually when its > changed it will say xxx part number, replaced by xxx part number etc. > This > doesnt say that but who knows. It could be possible that they upgraded the specs for the same part number, but that doesn't really sound anal enough. Or perhaps the OEM did it on their own, making the 'new and improved' version. But I'd think that differences would be visible, if one could compare one to the other. Size, shape, piping configuration, internal baffles... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WA-Q (was: IowaQ date)
Gave it away... But its still on google earth! Why? did you want it? --- Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am in. We can have it at my place here in Olympia too, I have > lots > > of room and some other cool old junk to ogle. Unimogs, turbodiesel > > vanagon, Haflinger, MB 406D delivery van... > > School bus? Or is that gone now? > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] IowaQ
Congratulations on the eminent boy-child, Chris. I'd love to do the Q but we as a license class have been admonished to not miss any class time. The first two weeks were brutal (thermodynamics and fluids) this week we started nuclear physics and reactor theorymuch better. My turd herdin' brain hurts. Bob R. Learnin' how to bang wee, small things into each other and make water wicked hot -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher McCann Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 6:37 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] IowaQ Karl McCann is due August 24...outside of that, I'll be there, probably with Mary and Kate in tow. Will leave the Shepherds at home. :-) With 30,000 mile maintenance just done, I am dying for a road trip. Chris Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How many would be interested in coming to west-central Iowa in August/September for a get-together? (Jefferson, Iowa) Kleb's apparently not doing an OkieQ this year, so this would be same thing (sans junkyard-backyard) except eight hour north on I-35. I will go with the Biblical model in scheduling: "Where three or four are gathered together ." -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, happy customer of austerlitzshepherds.com "Ohne Zucht keine Leistung, ohne Leistung keine Zucht!" -2006 GSD, "Anke" (Yanke von der Burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, "Sammy" (Zane von der Burg Austerlitz) "Freude an der Arbeit: Hoechste Leistung - Mercedes-Benz." -1985 300SD, 223K miles, "Wulf" -1982 300Dt, 118K miles, "little blue klatter box" - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134
I have no idea. The epc just lists the part number. Usually when its changed it will say xxx part number, replaced by xxx part number etc. This doesnt say that but who knows. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134 >> any idea why the factory got 134 to cool great in a 124 but if you >> convert it after the fact it does not? > > Any chance that the cond/evap part numbers are the same > because the R12 parts were superseded along the way? > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134
really, I hadnt thought of that actually. In the past, I have used the kit and just removed the R12 (well, there was usually nothign in the system) and recharged with the 134 in the conversion kit. Never had a problem and it usually worked pretty good, but not as good as freeze you out factory 134. Next time I do a conversion Im thinking I should change out the drier, maybe pull the compressor and drain the oil out of that, switch the expansion valve then recharge etc. Anything else? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134 >> any idea why the factory got 134 to cool great in a 124 but if you >> convert it after the fact it does not? > > Too much oil? (As in the old R12 oil is not fully removed.) > Just a guess. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134
> any idea why the factory got 134 to cool great in a 124 but if you > convert it after the fact it does not? Any chance that the cond/evap part numbers are the same because the R12 parts were superseded along the way? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124, R12 v R134
> any idea why the factory got 134 to cool great in a 124 but if you > convert it after the fact it does not? Too much oil? (As in the old R12 oil is not fully removed.) Just a guess. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 126 wheels
They should fit any 126, if you have the right bolts. they are off of an 87 SDL and a 420SEL, but I don't know what year. I also have a mint condition Bundt from the 85 280SEL and 2 other useable Bundts from it for 126. At 10:31 PM 7/13/2007, you wrote: >What year are they for? > >On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:51:06 -0500, Loren Faeth ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I have 6 extra 126 15 hole wheels it looks like I won't be needing > > now. Anyone interested, send me an email offlist. From what I can > > tell, the going price is $25 each. One set of 4 was repainted last > > year Of the other pair, one has good paint and the other could use a > > repaint, but is not the ugliest I have seen. > > > > > > > > > > Loren Faeth > > > > > > > >-- >Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark >'87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case >'85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) >'82 300CD (166 kmi) >'82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold >'85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 124, R12 v R134
OK, so my 91 300D has R12 from the factory, my 92 300D has 134 from the factory. The R12 blow ice cold. The r134 stock system also blow ice cold. The 134 stock system in my 94 E420 also blows ice cold. Got me to thinking, how did the factory get 134 to blow ice cold, but if you convert r12 to 134, it doesnt blow as cold. So I thought the evaporator and condensor must be different. Check the EPC and both are exactly the same part number. Strange. Only difference is the expansion valve. I have coverted cars before and used the 134 expansion valve and it still didnt seem to cool as good as these factory 124's with 134. Anybody got any idea why the factory got 134 to cool great in a 124 but if you convert it after the fact it does not? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Questions for A/C wizards
> The absence of caps on the valves, however, made it clear where the > leak was: the high side fitting was actually bubbling with oil and > escaping refrigerant. So I guess I need to replace that > one---hopefully it's just the R134A adapter that's bad, not the real > R12 fitting underneath. But then what? Could be as simple as the Schrader valve insert coming loose a bit. > Or should I vacuum the whole system, replace the receiver/dryer, and > refill with hydrocarbons (for test purposes!) a la Jim C.? You know what I think! But I've never replaced a drier when using HC's. I put them under a heat lamp and in vacuum overnight to 'recharge' them a bit. Dunno if/how well it works, but I don't see how it can hurt. I remove the R134a fittings on mine, my R12 gauge set is of much higher quality, and my vacuum pump only has the old-style fittings on it. -- Jim (C.) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WA-Q (was: IowaQ date)
> I am in. We can have it at my place here in Olympia too, I have lots > of room and some other cool old junk to ogle. Unimogs, turbodiesel > vanagon, Haflinger, MB 406D delivery van... School bus? Or is that gone now? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gump shift
> removed those to get at the old bushing material and replace it. > When I put it back on, I may have miss mounted by a few teeth on the > shaft where it was marked to go. Took it apart to make the job easier, eh? Don't you hate it when that happens? I sure do! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
