[MBZ] 190D 2.5T Spotted

2007-10-06 Thread Curt Raymond
On my way home from work last night I took a round about route so I could stop 
at the tractor parts place. On the highway I passed a 190D 2.5 Turbo. The guy 
driving gave an enigmatic smile as I passed. He was pulling off at that exit 
otherwise I'd have slowed down and oogled his apparently spotless car.

-Curt

   
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Re: [MBZ] tips on replacing starter (needed from Loren F.)

2007-10-06 Thread Motikwa
Loren Faeth wrote:  But the factory manual says to go over the  trans.
 
Loren - was this in a benz manual, and if so, was it a chassis, engine,  
maintenance, etc. manual, and for what model and what was the job # ?
 
Also, thanks for all the replies.  It sounds like the MB engineers  should 
have kept the super secret trap door for starter bolt access in the  passenger 
compartment ala the 108, though I believe I still had to use a U-joint  with a 
wobble extension and six foot breaker bar.
 
AND while I'm at it I have a Rusty Cullens parts delivery complaint.   Wife 
had been buggin' me this week to order starter so I could get it done this  
weekend - I had other ideas, so I waited until Thursday to order via UPS ground 
 
thinking Monday delivery.  Nooo, the part showed up the very next  
morning.  I guess I'm gonna have to do it this weekend.  Thanks a lot  Rusty  ;)
 
Steve



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Re: [MBZ] Engine tranny swap out

2007-10-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
yea, its possible.  You will have to swap the motor mount arms, maybe 
the oil pan, the trans will have to be swapped too, linkage is different.

denis wier wrote:
 Is it possible to take a engine and transmission out of my wrecked 83 300 TDT 
 and put it into a 79 300sd without to much trouble ?
 
 
 

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Re: [MBZ] Engine tranny swap out

2007-10-06 Thread Steve MacSween
There is more than that, but my memory is getting a bit fuzzy... oil lines
to filter housing, maybe the oil filter housing, I believe some issues with
the plumbing of the vacuum pump. Best to have both cars side by each and
very carefully look at everything.

You don't have to swap the trans, but you will have to adapt the newer
engine to use the linkages from the older engine (your TDT uses a  cable to
control shift points, the older car uses a linkage rod).

Expect 2x hours for routine swap. If you are doing it yourself, take your
time and check everything before your lower the engine in. If a shop is
doing it, make sure it's one where the wrench uses his head not his hands to
think (voice of experience here).

Mac
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on 10/6/07 11:20, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 yea, its possible.  You will have to swap the motor mount arms, maybe
 the oil pan, the trans will have to be swapped too, linkage is different.
 
 denis wier wrote:
 Is it possible to take a engine and transmission out of my wrecked 83 300 TDT
 and put it into a 79 300sd without to much trouble ?
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] tips on replacing starter (needed)

2007-10-06 Thread Gary Thompson
Tools break, Sears replaces...

I'd rather take a broken tool back than not be able to get the job
done. Besides, it was still just me providing the torque. Not like I
was using a jack to push the pipe or anything (though I had
considered that if necessary).


Gary Thompson
1995 E320


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 A great way to break tools, as I have learned the hard way.  But
 sometimes a man's gotta do, etc.

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[MBZ] ban cellphones while driving

2007-10-06 Thread Glenn Brown
I'm sure this will start a torrential thread of varying opinions but I'm all
in favor of banning cellphone use while driving.  There have been studies
done and even the hands free types cause a loss of concentration on what one
should be doing while behind the wheel of an automobile.  I don't think
it'll ever occur nation wide and actually be enforced, as there are too many
legialators who use the darn things and, previously living in NY where it
was against the law, I know from experience that this law in NY is not
enforced.  I've been stopped at red lights where a police cruiser was also
at the light and there were cars whizzin' by with the drivers on cell
phones.  Like Peter Egan (RT), I will not own one.

G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
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Re: [MBZ] ban cellphones while driving

2007-10-06 Thread Sunil Hari
even scarier is the new crop of drivers that texts while driving.  Not only
are they inexperienced at driving, but now they're texting.

On 10/6/07, Glenn Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm sure this will start a torrential thread of varying opinions but I'm
 all
 in favor of banning cellphone use while driving.  There have been studies
 done and even the hands free types cause a loss of concentration on what
 one
 should be doing while behind the wheel of an automobile.  I don't think
 it'll ever occur nation wide and actually be enforced, as there are too
 many
 legialators who use the darn things and, previously living in NY where it
 was against the law, I know from experience that this law in NY is not
 enforced.  I've been stopped at red lights where a police cruiser was also
 at the light and there were cars whizzin' by with the drivers on cell
 phones.  Like Peter Egan (RT), I will not own one.

 G. M. Brown
 Brevard, NC
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Re: [MBZ] ban cell phones while driving

2007-10-06 Thread Bill Ringgold
Enforcement is certainly as large an issue as what the laws are.  Cell phone
use is down the list of the reported cause of accidents, though.  I don't
recall the order, but changing the radio station, kids in the car and eating
while driving seemed to rand up there..
BillR - who pulls off the road to talk on the phone.
Jacksonville FL

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To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] ban cellphones while driving

I'm sure this will start a torrential thread of varying opinions but I'm all
in favor of banning cellphone use while driving.  There have been studies
done and even the hands free types cause a loss of concentration on what one
should be doing while behind the wheel of an automobile.  I don't think
it'll ever occur nation wide and actually be enforced, as there are too many
legialators who use the darn things and, previously living in NY where it
was against the law, I know from experience that this law in NY is not
enforced.  I've been stopped at red lights where a police cruiser was also
at the light and there were cars whizzin' by with the drivers on cell
phones.  Like Peter Egan (RT), I will not own one.

G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
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Re: [MBZ] ban cell phones while driving

2007-10-06 Thread Tom Hargrave
Enforcement is certainly as large an issue as what the laws are.  Cell
phone
use is down the list of the reported cause of accidents, though.  I
don't
recall the order, but changing the radio station, kids in the car and
eating
while driving seemed to rand up there..
BillR - who pulls off the road to talk on the phone.
Jacksonville FL

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On Behalf Of Glenn Brown
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 1:51 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] ban cellphones while driving

I'm sure this will start a torrential thread of varying opinions but I'm
all
in favor of banning cellphone use while driving.  There have been
studies
done and even the hands free types cause a loss of concentration on what
one
should be doing while behind the wheel of an automobile.  I don't think
it'll ever occur nation wide and actually be enforced, as there are too
many
legialators who use the darn things and, previously living in NY where
it
was against the law, I know from experience that this law in NY is not
enforced.  I've been stopped at red lights where a police cruiser was
also
at the light and there were cars whizzin' by with the drivers on cell
phones.  Like Peter Egan (RT), I will not own one.

G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
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Re: [MBZ] ban cell phones while driving

2007-10-06 Thread Tom Hargrave
The real issue is not cell phones, eating, texting, etc. The real issue
is distracted drivers. Regulate cell phones  youv'e gotten no-where.
Make distracted driving a ticketable offense and then mayby you've
gotten somewhere.

And by the way, talking on the cell phone is no more a distraction than
talking to someone in the car, which we all do all the time. The
distraction comes when answering or placing a call. 

Tom
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ban cell phones while driving
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Enforcement is certainly as large an issue as what the laws are.  Cell
phone
use is down the list of the reported cause of accidents, though.  I
don't
recall the order, but changing the radio station, kids in the car and
eating
while driving seemed to rand up there..
BillR - who pulls off the road to talk on the phone.
Jacksonville FL

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Glenn Brown
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 1:51 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] ban cellphones while driving

I'm sure this will start a torrential thread of varying opinions but I'm
all
in favor of banning cellphone use while driving.  There have been
studies
done and even the hands free types cause a loss of concentration on what
one
should be doing while behind the wheel of an automobile.  I don't think
it'll ever occur nation wide and actually be enforced, as there are too
many
legialators who use the darn things and, previously living in NY where
it
was against the law, I know from experience that this law in NY is not
enforced.  I've been stopped at red lights where a police cruiser was
also
at the light and there were cars whizzin' by with the drivers on cell
phones.  Like Peter Egan (RT), I will not own one.

G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
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Re: [MBZ] ban cellphones while driving

2007-10-06 Thread LarryT
You;re right about it not being enforced even if passed.  The larger problem 
is all the other things drivers do while driving that are never discussed. 
turning around and yelling at kids, eating, reading, chatting with others, 
changing clothes (yeah, I know, but it happens), and the zillions of other 
things prople do when driving that they shouldn;t do.

Actually, it's only been in the last 3-5 years that German cars have added 
cup holders (very sure about Porsche, pretty sure about MB) because Germans 
figure driving is a full time job and drivers should not be distracted by 
other things.  Not an altogether unreasonable idea.  Of course when you have 
the possibility of running across a unlimited speed limit zone on a 
Autobahn, it;s best to concentrate/

The US takes the opposite approach - putting every conceivable past-time 
distraction possible.  Supposedly not viewable by the drivers, there are DVD 
players in almost every new SUV and MiniVan, and there are some in the front 
seat area..

While an enforcable law will never pass - only a national effort to make 
this behaviour socially unacceptable - like drinking  driving  and smoking 
has become.  In the mean time, there's no telling how many people die 
because they or someone else wasn't paying attention.

I think part of theproblem is the lack of emphasis the police put on 
reckless behavious - which is my definition, don't know if it would stand up 
in court. The police are always going after speeders even if they are not 
being unsafe.  IMO, a MB in good condition doing 80-100 on a interstate with 
a limit of 65 is not being unsafe - assuming the driver has both hands on 
the wheel and both eyes on the road.

But put a driver reading the newspaper driving the speedlimit next to the MB 
above and the MB will get a ticket or arrested and the reader will get a 
pass.

Ok, rant off -

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Subject: [MBZ] ban cellphones while driving


 I'm sure this will start a torrential thread of varying opinions but I'm 
 all
 in favor of banning cellphone use while driving.  There have been studies
 done and even the hands free types cause a loss of concentration on what 
 one
 should be doing while behind the wheel of an automobile.  I don't think
 it'll ever occur nation wide and actually be enforced, as there are too 
 many
 legialators who use the darn things and, previously living in NY where it
 was against the law, I know from experience that this law in NY is not
 enforced.  I've been stopped at red lights where a police cruiser was also
 at the light and there were cars whizzin' by with the drivers on cell
 phones.  Like Peter Egan (RT), I will not own one.

 G. M. Brown
 Brevard, NC
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[MBZ] OT Re: ban cellphones while driving

2007-10-06 Thread ernest breakfield
not sure what this has to do with MBZs,...

FWIW, studies have shown that even conversing with a passenger 
reduces the amount of mental bandwidth available to use to focus on 
driving, and that the likelihood of a beginning driver to get in an 
accident increases exponentially with the number of passengers in the 
vehicle. some studies place Dashboard Dining as the highest cause of 
non-alcohol related operator error-induced accidents, with phone use 
still being a good deal lower on the list. (the new influx of 'texters' 
doesn't seem to be showing up in the ranking yet; perhaps because that's 
something that's still just a one-way method of communication at no 
particular speed, and/or doesn't have the same potential for external 
distraction by a party on the other end, similar to the 
one-way-at-a-time operation of a 2-way radio.)
side note: i find it interesting that in Amateur (Ham) Radio 
culture, it's perfectly acceptable to say hang on; gotta' drive! and 
toss away the microphone until it's safer to pick it up again, but that 
that practice doesn't seem to extend (at least yet) to Cell Phone use...

sadly, the portion of the general populace that isn't bright enough 
to be able to do 2 things at once probably also isn't bright enough to 
realize it.
still, that's less reason for choosing to not own a cell phone 
because some people can't use them responsibly than not owning a car 
because other people can't drive.

focus needs to be on driving skills and the responsibility involved 
with operating a motor vehicle, not on limiting everyone because some 
aren't competent/responsible.


cheers!
e


Glenn Brown wrote:
 I'm sure this will start a torrential thread of varying opinions but I'm all
 in favor of banning cellphone use while driving.  There have been studies
 done and even the hands free types cause a loss of concentration on what one
 should be doing while behind the wheel of an automobile.  I don't think
 it'll ever occur nation wide and actually be enforced, as there are too many
 legialators who use the darn things and, previously living in NY where it
 was against the law, I know from experience that this law in NY is not
 enforced.  I've been stopped at red lights where a police cruiser was also
 at the light and there were cars whizzin' by with the drivers on cell
 phones.  Like Peter Egan (RT), I will not own one.

 G. M. Brown
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[MBZ] back to GPS

2007-10-06 Thread Bill
Having used my IPAQ travel companion's tomtom unit a few times now I find I
like it very much and it has a lot more features than I realized.   Nothing
wrong with the older Garmin ColorMap unit, but I like the turn by turn voice
directions quit a bit, and the battery drain is considerably less on the
IPAQ.  In the time it would have taken my Garmin to drain 4 AA's [when I was
not plugged into the car] the tomtom unit only used @ 15 % of it's
rechargeable battery.  That helps a lot  when downloading maps and such.

BillR 

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Re: [MBZ] OT Re: ban cellphones while driving

2007-10-06 Thread EDWARD DENNIS
Hi,
  The only solution is a drivers compartment. No distractions!
  Like a 1930 RR. Open to the weather!
   
  Why is it semi-truck drivers after 30 years on the road can have aaccident 
free record?

  Kids with parents riding in the car seldom hit anything.
   
  2 cents worth!
   
  Ed in Chicago
  
ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  not sure what this has to do with MBZs,...

FWIW, studies have shown that even conversing with a passenger 
reduces the amount of mental bandwidth available to use to focus on 
driving, and that the likelihood of a beginning driver to get in an 
accident increases exponentially with the number of passengers in the 
vehicle. some studies place Dashboard Dining as the highest cause of 
non-alcohol related operator error-induced accidents, with phone use 
still being a good deal lower on the list. (the new influx of 'texters' 
doesn't seem to be showing up in the ranking yet; perhaps because that's 
something that's still just a one-way method of communication at no 
particular speed, and/or doesn't have the same potential for external 
distraction by a party on the other end, similar to the 
one-way-at-a-time operation of a 2-way radio.)
side note: i find it interesting that in Amateur (Ham) Radio 
culture, it's perfectly acceptable to say hang on; gotta' drive! and 
toss away the microphone until it's safer to pick it up again, but that 
that practice doesn't seem to extend (at least yet) to Cell Phone use...

sadly, the portion of the general populace that isn't bright enough 
to be able to do 2 things at once probably also isn't bright enough to 
realize it.
still, that's less reason for choosing to not own a cell phone 
because some people can't use them responsibly than not owning a car 
because other people can't drive.

focus needs to be on driving skills and the responsibility involved 
with operating a motor vehicle, not on limiting everyone because some 
aren't competent/responsible.


cheers!
e


Glenn Brown wrote:
 I'm sure this will start a torrential thread of varying opinions but I'm all
 in favor of banning cellphone use while driving. There have been studies
 done and even the hands free types cause a loss of concentration on what one
 should be doing while behind the wheel of an automobile. I don't think
 it'll ever occur nation wide and actually be enforced, as there are too many
 legialators who use the darn things and, previously living in NY where it
 was against the law, I know from experience that this law in NY is not
 enforced. I've been stopped at red lights where a police cruiser was also
 at the light and there were cars whizzin' by with the drivers on cell
 phones. Like Peter Egan (RT), I will not own one.

 G. M. Brown
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Re: [MBZ] OT Re: ban cellphones while driving

2007-10-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin


EDWARD DENNIS wrote:
 Hi,
   The only solution is a drivers compartment. No distractions!
   Like a 1930 RR. Open to the weather!

   Why is it semi-truck drivers after 30 years on the road can have aaccident 
 free record?
 
   Kids with parents riding in the car seldom hit anything.

   2 cents worth!

   Ed in Chicago
   
 ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   not sure what this has to do with MBZs,...
 
 FWIW, studies have shown that even conversing with a passenger 
 reduces the amount of mental bandwidth available to use to focus on 
 driving, and that the likelihood of a beginning driver to get in an 
 accident increases exponentially with the number of passengers in the 
 vehicle. some studies place Dashboard Dining as the highest cause of 
 non-alcohol related operator error-induced accidents, with phone use 
 still being a good deal lower on the list. (the new influx of 'texters' 
 doesn't seem to be showing up in the ranking yet; perhaps because that's 
 something that's still just a one-way method of communication at no 
 particular speed, and/or doesn't have the same potential for external 
 distraction by a party on the other end, similar to the 
 one-way-at-a-time operation of a 2-way radio.)
 side note: i find it interesting that in Amateur (Ham) Radio 
 culture, it's perfectly acceptable to say hang on; gotta' drive! and 
 toss away the microphone until it's safer to pick it up again, but that 
 that practice doesn't seem to extend (at least yet) to Cell Phone use...
 
 sadly, the portion of the general populace that isn't bright enough 
 to be able to do 2 things at once probably also isn't bright enough to 
 realize it.
 still, that's less reason for choosing to not own a cell phone 
 because some people can't use them responsibly than not owning a car 
 because other people can't drive.
 
 focus needs to be on driving skills and the responsibility involved 
 with operating a motor vehicle, not on limiting everyone because some 
 aren't competent/responsible.
 
 
 cheers!
 e
 
 
 Glenn Brown wrote:
 I'm sure this will start a torrential thread of varying opinions but I'm all
 in favor of banning cellphone use while driving. There have been studies
 done and even the hands free types cause a loss of concentration on what one
 should be doing while behind the wheel of an automobile. I don't think
 it'll ever occur nation wide and actually be enforced, as there are too many
 legialators who use the darn things and, previously living in NY where it
 was against the law, I know from experience that this law in NY is not
 enforced. I've been stopped at red lights where a police cruiser was also
 at the light and there were cars whizzin' by with the drivers on cell
 phones. Like Peter Egan (RT), I will not own one.

 G. M. Brown
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[MBZ] Need 107 oil filter

2007-10-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I need the oil filter canister deal on a 81 380SLC.  EPC says its the 
same on the 114, 116, 117 motors.  This is the style that mounts from 
the bottom up on the 107's.  Mine is missing.  Need it quick.  Anybody 
got one laying around?
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  91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
  81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] OT: 5kW Chinese Genset

2007-10-06 Thread Jim Cathey
So, anybody electronical out there care to critique the
recreated original regulator schematic?  It's mostly
complete, though some of the component values are possibly
off.  My best guess for D9 is that it was a Zener diode,
but if somebody else though differently based on the circuit
that would be nice to hear about.

http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/genset3/regulator.pdf

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Need 107 oil filter

2007-10-06 Thread EDWARD DENNIS
Hi,
  There are 2 617 126 models at U-Pull-it 14100 S. Leavit in Blue Island 
Illinois.
  I am going there Tuesday and will verify if they are with filters.
   
  Ed in Chicago 

  
Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I need the oil filter canister deal on a 81 380SLC. EPC says its the 
same on the 114, 116, 117 motors. This is the style that mounts from 
the bottom up on the 107's. Mine is missing. Need it quick. Anybody 
got one laying around?
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Re: [MBZ] Need 107 oil filter

2007-10-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Well I discovered that the W116 450SEL uses the same filter, so I pulled 
the bowl but now I need to pull the adaptor thing.  The biggest socket I 
  have is a 30mm and that is not big enough.  Anybody know what size it 
takes?  Im guessing 32mm

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 I need the oil filter canister deal on a 81 380SLC.  EPC says its the 
 same on the 114, 116, 117 motors.  This is the style that mounts from 
 the bottom up on the 107's.  Mine is missing.  Need it quick.  Anybody 
 got one laying around?

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  94 E420, 94 E320, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic,
  91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
  81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Need 107 oil filter

2007-10-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Thanks but as the post says I am looking for the V-8 filter used in the 
SL and others.  The 617 diesel wont work.



EDWARD DENNIS wrote:
 Hi,
   There are 2 617 126 models at U-Pull-it 14100 S. Leavit in Blue Island 
 Illinois.
   I am going there Tuesday and will verify if they are with filters.

   Ed in Chicago 
 
   
 Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I need the oil filter canister deal on a 81 380SLC. EPC says its the 
 same on the 114, 116, 117 motors. This is the style that mounts from 
 the bottom up on the 107's. Mine is missing. Need it quick. Anybody 
 got one laying around?

-- 
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  94 E420, 94 E320, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic,
  91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
  81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] OT: 5kW Chinese Genset

2007-10-06 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 12:41:59 -0700 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 So, anybody electronical out there care to critique the
 recreated original regulator schematic?  It's mostly
 complete, though some of the component values are possibly
 off.  My best guess for D9 is that it was a Zener diode,
 but if somebody else though differently based on the circuit
 that would be nice to hear about.
 
 http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/genset3/regulator.pdf

It seems close to the right idea overall, but has a number of quirks:

It's strange that they take all the trouble to make sure Q6 gets turned
off well (with Q5 AND D11), but have not provided anything to turn Q1 and
Q2 off.

D10 is in a wierd location, too, since there's no way for current to flow
that way.

The current in the red-green winding will always flow from red to green
(unless there's induction from somewhere else), so Q6 is the wrong
polarity to dump its current. Q6 will only add to the current flowing
through D11.

If Q3 is turned on, Q4 (and thus Q1 and Q2) will be off and Q5 will be
off. R11 will reverse bias D11 and turn Q6 on, but if current has been
flowing in red-green, now having nowhere to go, it will flip the polarity
on red-green so that green is positive and red is negative. This will
forward bias the body diode of Q6, which will clamp the green wire at 0.7V
above the potential of C2. But why a transistor for Q6? Strange.

D12 is the correct polarity to protect Q5 from polarity reversals of the
red-green winding, and D13 will clamp the base of Q6 close to the positive
rail, with the current first flowing through D11 in those instances, but
why go to all that bother?

Also, C4 and R6 provide POSITIVE feedback for Q3, Q4, Q1, and Q2, not
negative. Is this thing supposed to oscillate and D9, et al., provide
pulse-width oscillation?

On the other hand, if the red-green winding has current induced in it, so
that it's a current source rather than a current sink, and has current
flowing from green to red, then the polarity of D10 and Q6 make sense. But
here it would be powering the circuit instead of the blue winding, the
upper bridge, and C2. And when Q6 turns on, it would be shorting the
output of the red-green winding (which appears to be not a good thing).
Also, if D10 is conducting, D11 will be reverse biased and turning Q1 and
Q2 on only pulls down on the base of Q6, and they don't need two
darlingtons to do that.

Strange.


Craig

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[MBZ] Help with Shop Manual CD

2007-10-06 Thread ned kleinhenz
I have had an official Model 124 Service Manual Library on CD for about 8
years.
It's recently become almost impossible to use with my current XP computer
with latest updates.
Among other problems, the version of Netscape it wants to use and the
current version of Adobe won't talk to each other.  I now have to resort to
searching though all the files with windows explorer until I trip upon what
I am looking for.

Anyway, a few years ago, someone on one of these lists gave me a macro
type program that would index, list and open exaclty the file I was looking
for without going through all those lame graphics the CD tries to use.  That
program was on a hard disk that failed, some time ago, and I sure miss it.

Does anyone know what I am talking about?  Can anyone share such a program
with me?

Ned Kleinhenz
'95 E300D x2
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Re: [MBZ] ban cell phones while driving

2007-10-06 Thread John Robbins
Tom Hargrave wrote:
 And by the way, talking on the cell phone is no more a distraction than
 talking to someone in the car, which we all do all the time. The
 distraction comes when answering or placing a call. 

And to head off the its more distracting than someone in the car 
because the person in the car is aware of whats going on crowd.  You 
can always ignore the person you're talking to.  FWIW, Most of my 
passengers haven't always noticed whats going on, and I often ask them 
to repeat themselves, or if I'm the one talking have to start over 
because of something that demands my attention.

John

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Re: [MBZ] Help with Shop Manual CD

2007-10-06 Thread Wray Stanley
ned kleinhenz wrote:

 Anyway, a few years ago, someone on one of these lists gave me a macro
 type program that would index, list and open exaclty the file I was looking
 for without going through all those lame graphics the CD tries to use.  That
 program was on a hard disk that failed, some time ago, and I sure miss it.
 
 Does anyone know what I am talking about?  Can anyone share such a program
 with me?

Ned,

That was probably Steve Nervig's index.

http://web.mac.com/dakota/Mercedes/Mercedes_Pages.html

Wray

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Re: [MBZ] OT: 5kW Chinese Genset

2007-10-06 Thread Jim Cathey
 It's strange that they take all the trouble to make sure Q6 gets turned
 off well (with Q5 AND D11), but have not provided anything to turn Q1 
 and
 Q2 off.

D11 may be for turn-off, but it's also the main current path for the
field.  Orienting it in the schematic was one of the difficult parts.
I had it like D12 before, and just couldn't see the main current
flow.

 D10 is in a wierd location, too, since there's no way for current to 
 flow
 that way.

Not normally, I think of it as a GP protection device.  Generators
are probably a rather harsh environment!

 The current in the red-green winding will always flow from red to green
 (unless there's induction from somewhere else), so Q6 is the wrong
 polarity to dump its current. Q6 will only add to the current flowing
 through D11.

Yes.  I think one of the major features is that it _intends_ to
burn the excess available power from the main excitation winding.

I have no proof yet, but I think there are two excitation windings
because one of them is a third-harmonic winding that generates more
as the machine is overloaded.

 If Q3 is turned on, Q4 (and thus Q1 and Q2) will be off and Q5 will be
 off. R11 will reverse bias D11 and turn Q6 on, but if current has been
 flowing in red-green, now having nowhere to go, it will flip the 
 polarity
 on red-green so that green is positive and red is negative. This will
 forward bias the body diode of Q6, which will clamp the green wire at 
 0.7V
 above the potential of C2. But why a transistor for Q6? Strange.

R9 is the biggest resistor there, it's obviously intended to burn
lots of power.  It's apparent to me that Q6's job is to put R9 (at
10 ohms) in parallel with the 15-ohm field under whatever conditions
it thinks appropriate to cut the field current.

 D12 is the correct polarity to protect Q5 from polarity reversals of 
 the
 red-green winding, and D13 will clamp the base of Q6 close to the 
 positive
 rail, with the current first flowing through D11 in those instances, 
 but
 why go to all that bother?

It's a rather large winding, if there are load dumps that cause the
regulator to want to cut off the field current the spike could be
hellacious.  Henries of inductance?

 Also, C4 and R6 provide POSITIVE feedback for Q3, Q4, Q1, and Q2, not
 negative. Is this thing supposed to oscillate and D9, et al., provide
 pulse-width oscillation?

That _is_ weird.  It certainly could be PWM regulation.  There's
enough filter inductance in the field to smooth it out.  C3 provides
negative feedback, could it be enough to cancel out the positive?
I believe C3 and C4 are the same value.  They were badly damaged,
but they're both the same size, and they're those green-dipped
film jobs.  Thin chiclets.

 On the other hand, if the red-green winding has current induced in it, 
 so
 that it's a current source rather than a current sink, and has current
 flowing from green to red, then the polarity of D10 and Q6 make sense.

Such induction would be transient, at best.  Under normal conditions
the field (R/G) winding is fed some 60+ volts.  If you don't feed it
plenty you don't get enough output voltage on the main windings.

 But
 here it would be powering the circuit instead of the blue winding, the
 upper bridge, and C2. And when Q6 turns on, it would be shorting the
 output of the red-green winding (which appears to be not a good thing).
 Also, if D10 is conducting, D11 will be reverse biased and turning Q1 
 and
 Q2 on only pulls down on the base of Q6, and they don't need two
 darlingtons to do that.

 Strange.

Indeed!

I am wondering if this thing is worthy of resurrection, and if so,
what improvements to make to it.  I already intend to put the MOV
in the middle of the 2K R2 (using 2 1k resistors) so that if it
fails again it won't burn out the diode bridge, again.  I intend
to fuse all three windings, and I intend to put small (0.1 ohm?)
emitter resistors on Q1 and Q2.

So was my schematic layout all that it should be?   I'm open
to rearranging it if it'll help aid in understanding it.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Help with Shop Manual CD

2007-10-06 Thread Barry Stark
Ned -
unless you want to use his index, I believe the easiest way by far is to
copy all the files from the CD(s) to your hard drive and then find the file
named matrix?.htm .The question mark seem to change with the chassis. For
my 107 it is matrix6.htm and for the 126 it is just matrix.htm. Running
from that link skips all the cutsie intro stuff and starts you right at the
main menu. I made a shortcut to that file on my desktop so it opens right
from the desktop.

Barry


 Anyway, a few years ago, someone on one of these lists gave me a macro
 type program that would index, list and open exactly the file I
 was looking for without going through all those lame graphics the CD tries
to
 use.



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Re: [MBZ] Need 107 oil filter

2007-10-06 Thread EDWARD DENNIS
Hi,
  Ck with Ben 708-945-3687 in Orland pk. 
Has a large circle of MB parts. He deals in many Mb cars and is selling a clean 
91 420 sel 127k a former Park Ridge IL car.
   
  Ed in Chicago
Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Thanks but as the post says I am looking for the V-8 filter used in the 
SL and others. The 617 diesel wont work.



EDWARD DENNIS wrote:
 Hi,
 There are 2 617 126 models at U-Pull-it 14100 S. Leavit in Blue Island 
 Illinois.
 I am going there Tuesday and will verify if they are with filters.
 
 Ed in Chicago 
 
 
 Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 I need the oil filter canister deal on a 81 380SLC. EPC says its the 
 same on the 114, 116, 117 motors. This is the style that mounts from 
 the bottom up on the 107's. Mine is missing. Need it quick. Anybody 
 got one laying around?

-- 
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
94 E420, 94 E320, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic,
91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.okiebenz.com

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Re: [MBZ] OT: 5kW Chinese Genset

2007-10-06 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:39:42 -0700 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

  Strange.
 
 Indeed!
 
 I am wondering if this thing is worthy of resurrection, and if so,
 what improvements to make to it.  I already intend to put the MOV
 in the middle of the 2K R2 (using 2 1k resistors) so that if it
 fails again it won't burn out the diode bridge, again.  I intend
 to fuse all three windings, and I intend to put small (0.1 ohm?)
 emitter resistors on Q1 and Q2.

These sound like good things to do.


 So was my schematic layout all that it should be?   I'm open
 to rearranging it if it'll help aid in understanding it.

That's exactly how I would have drawn it myself. It's very straightforward
(the drawing, not the circuit, as we've already discussed) and easy to
understand.

Good job.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Console question

2007-10-06 Thread busbarn
Thanks, I'll give that a try.

Start with the ashtray assembly and work your way back. Look
carefully and you can see each piece of the puzzle unfold.

At 04:32 AM 10/5/2007, you wrote:
A quick question for the experts;  On an '85 300D how does the center
console where the switches are located come up?  I can't figure out
what is holding it down.  I really need to buy a Bentley manual for
this vehicle.

Thanks for your help.
--
Rick Taylor
The Old Shop Teacher
Smack Dab in the middle of the US
  Topeka, KS

-- 
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The Old Shop Teacher
Smack Dab in the middle of the US
Topeka, KS

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Re: [MBZ] Console question

2007-10-06 Thread busbarn
Thanks, sounds pretty simple, but I'm sure I will find a way to make 
it difficult.


You have to remove the ash tray, then remove the 2 screws, then slide it
toward the back and lift up.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  A quick question for the experts;  On an '85 300D how does the center
  console where the switches are located come up?  I can't figure out
  what is holding it down.  I really need to buy a Bentley manual for
  this vehicle.

  Thanks for your help.

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   91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
   81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.okiebenz.com

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[MBZ] Engine Swap?

2007-10-06 Thread B Dike
Hi All,

The sweet-running 75 240D is history, having met its match with a Jersey 
barrier in a rainstorm on I-5 in downtown Seattle.  No injuries to the young 
driver thank goodness, but the front quarter and suspension are badly banged up 
beyond repair.  The motor still runs like the proverbial sewing machine and the 
tranny is decent.

So here is the question:  Can I drop the 240D engine into the 72 220D (FNULNU) 
that has been patiently waiting in the garage for a new motor?  Will it match 
with the 220 tranny?

BTW, in my estimation, the late model W115 240D indeed deserves the title 
Queen of Diesels, approaching perfection in the beauty and simple elegance of 
its design, construction, and driving qualities.   Our late, lamented 75 W115 
whisked us around like magic.  The 123s, 126s, 116s, and others drive like 
battleships in comparison.  As nimble, smooth, and quiet (yes, a 
well-maintained W115 diesel can be VERY quiet)  as it was after 30 years and 
hundreds of thousands of hard miles, I can only imagine what it drove like when 
it left the showroom.

Cheers,


Bruce
82 300CD 348kmi 'His'
85 300CD 253kmi 'Hers'
75 240D 202kmi 'Donner' headed for Ebay...snif...
77 240D 204kmi 'Blitzen' gone to a better place
74 240D 79kmi 'Orangewagen'
73 220D 'Fnu Lnu'
   
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Re: [MBZ] Engine Swap?

2007-10-06 Thread OK Don
Glad to hear that the young driver is OK, and that the car did it's
job of protecting the occupants.
Don't know if the engine will just drop in, but my guess is that it will.
I agree that the 115 is a great driving car. However, all of mine
rusted to the point of not being safe to drive. Plus I hated replacing
the blower motor - did it twice, and that was enough for me. Oh - and
the A/C compressor mounted above the alternator drove me batty (er).
I'm glad that the 107 chassis is based on the 115 - drives even better.

On 10/6/07, B Dike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi All,

 The sweet-running 75 240D is history, having met its match with a Jersey 
 barrier in a rainstorm on I-5 in downtown Seattle.  No injuries to the young 
 driver thank goodness, but the front quarter and suspension are badly banged 
 up beyond repair.  The motor still runs like the proverbial sewing machine 
 and the tranny is decent.

 So here is the question:  Can I drop the 240D engine into the 72 220D 
 (FNULNU) that has been patiently waiting in the garage for a new motor?  Will 
 it match with the 220 tranny?

 BTW, in my estimation, the late model W115 240D indeed deserves the title 
 Queen of Diesels, approaching perfection in the beauty and simple elegance 
 of its design, construction, and driving qualities.   Our late, lamented 75 
 W115 whisked us around like magic.  The 123s, 126s, 116s, and others drive 
 like battleships in comparison.  As nimble, smooth, and quiet (yes, a 
 well-maintained W115 diesel can be VERY quiet)  as it was after 30 years and 
 hundreds of thousands of hard miles, I can only imagine what it drove like 
 when it left the showroom.


-- 
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics.
-Benjamin Disraeli
'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

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[MBZ] Can someone do a Carfax please...

2007-10-06 Thread David Bruckmann
The car is in the DMV computer as:

280SEL002940

although the real VIN is

10806812002940

Thanks,

D.

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Re: [MBZ] Engine Swap?

2007-10-06 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:50:06 -0700 (PDT) B Dike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi All,
 
 The sweet-running 75 240D is history, having met its match with a Jersey
 barrier in a rainstorm on I-5 in downtown Seattle.  No injuries to the
 young driver thank goodness,

Sorry about the bang-up; glad the driver was protected.


 So here is the question:  Can I drop the 240D engine into the 72 220D
 (FNULNU) that has been patiently waiting in the garage for a new motor? 
 Will it match with the 220 tranny?

It will match with the 220 tranny (you may have to swap the plate that
mounts to the back of the block and then to the transmission, but that's
just four bolts).

Since it's 115 -- 115, there should be no problem. You can have both cars
side-by-side and see what needs to be done. The 220D will have a pull-type
glow and start. Not sure what the 240D has.


Craig

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