Re: [MBZ] Possible 240D replacement?
That seems like quite a neat little car! Did I say LITTLE? Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harmonic Balancer
Jim , is the pulley attached to the balancer via 6 bolts - is that what has a tendency to loosen , or is it the large 27mm bolt in the centre? Peter -Original Message- From: Jim Cathey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 October 2007 16:42 To: Peter Frederick; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Harmonic Balancer > All parts fail in some circumstance, somewhere, but I don't remember > the harmonic balancer on the 60x being a problem. The crank pulley has a distressing tendency to come loose from the harmonic balancer. Makes all kinds of weird noise at first, and then causes all sorts of harm when it finally lets loose. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Bumpers
Are the front bumper end pieces, those black rubber wraparound things, the same on the 116 and 107? They look to be, and the junkyard has a nice 116 in that still has the bumper. Its rubber bits are definitely nicer than my 380 SL's. Should I go get? I got the 126's heated front seats today. Manual seats. Car had manual HVAC and no sunroof, but with ABS and heated seats, and the vacuum headlight adjuster stuff. Not the headlights themselves, though. No cruise control either, definitely Euro. Three of the four heating pads are still intact, and I got the switch plugs and cabling. There were no relays this year, just the switches, and the switches themselves had been taken already. The plan is to put heated seats into the 560 SL's. Someday. I now have 12 heating pads, only one is known to be bad. I should be able to assemble good sets for two cars, and have a pad or two as spares. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yea or nay: '91 300D, 305k miles
In a message dated 10/30/2007 12:36:32 P.M. US Mountain Standard Tim, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Car has mucho service history and drives well, though the turbo didn't kick when I drove it BUT before starting I'd also just connected the overboost switch on the manifold that had been "mysteriously" detached. At least one glow plug is weak/out (light off before start, on about a minute after), but almost no smoke at idle even when cool, after Decent condition, but smoke silver paint has two dime-sized rust spots. Water leak from trunk lid into trunk. Shifting is only OK, but trans is probably original- thinking this might be a good candidate to re-do, 2 seconds to reverse engagement. HVAC is good but sunroof iffy. One tear in the burgundy leather. Am getting for $900 with deposit down but still could back out. How crazy would it be to buy this car? Am also starting a new job where I'll be driving 90 miles/day. Tony, Sounds like the perfect commute car, especially at that distance. If it drives now, you will save big on fuel and maintenance right from day one. Problems will come and go but you have a nice reserve based on initial cost. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Possible 240D replacement?
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Re: [MBZ] Plastic key tops
Anyone on the list know a good tool and die maker and someone who does injection molding? Maybe we could mold our own and let Rusty be the official distributor. Bet we could find a plastic that would be nearly indestructible. Polypropylene comes to mind as does a fiber reinforced thermosetting resin. Bet someone on her has access to an injection molder. I know I am not pleased with the worthless replacements. I have used a headless key for years on the 240D after the last replacement lasted only a month or two, and it was HIGH priced! At 09:00 PM 10/30/2007, you wrote: >David stated the obvious: > >"I suspect that at some point Huf (the OEM supplier) changed the formulation >of the plastic." > >Exactly. Huf got cheap. Since 1978, I've replaced four keys among six >different cars...and all of those have been within the last five years. It's >frustrating. Especially now since Huf's key tops are expensive and chintzy. > >Bob R. > > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 300D, W-123 Bodied Sedan, Leak in Passenger Compartment
Evap drains can be cleared by running a wire up from underneath the car. Bacteria grow on A/c evaporators that are in regular use. THe bacteria catch dirt and tit is the bacterial slime/dirt that plugs up the drains. Get a bad strain of bacteria, and you have Legionaires disease. Same bacteria grow in most ice machines. That is why much restaurant/fast-stop ice has higher bacterial counts than the water in your toilet. That is why modern hospitals and other buildings that won't let you open a window are unhealthy At 08:14 PM 10/30/2007, you wrote: > > nor am I sure where the Evaporator drain goes. > >Evap drain is over the transmission. > >-- Jim > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Door Check Failure Warning
amen But, change that to 126 and 124 doors At 04:15 PM 10/30/2007, you wrote: >As a final comment, I was again reminded how easy it is to get inside the >123 doors compared to the 126 doors. Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Plastic key tops
Can you find a steel blank (like the OEM) and someone who can cut it? The brass blanks don't play well with the tumblers that are desinged for steel keys. How ever - do what you want. On 10/30/07, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OEM or not should not make a difference. > > Tom -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Plastic key tops
David stated the obvious: "I suspect that at some point Huf (the OEM supplier) changed the formulation of the plastic." Exactly. Huf got cheap. Since 1978, I've replaced four keys among six different cars...and all of those have been within the last five years. It's frustrating. Especially now since Huf's key tops are expensive and chintzy. Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 300D, W-123 Bodied Sedan, Leak in Passenger Compartment
> nor am I sure where the Evaporator drain goes. Evap drain is over the transmission. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 starting problem
The Indian Gedore stuff was pretty good. A knockoff of the German Heyco. I used my gedore stuff for years and years. I have not seen them for 20+ years for sale anywhere. At 08:28 AM 10/30/2007, you wrote: >Being a cheapass I think I waited until they were on sale for $1.99! >And worth every penny! > >--R > >Mitch Haley wrote: > > Rich Thomas wrote: > > > >> I got some Harbor Freight cheapies (from India, probably melted down > >> ships I saw them dismantle on some Discovery Channel show) and > >> heated/bent the ends at 2-45deg angles, like the"real" ones. Work > >> well. I think someone on the list suggested that so I copied him. > >> > > > > If you used the five piece set of thin open end wrenches that sells > > for $3.99 or something (name something like 'Gedore'), that was my > > idea. Glad to know it was of use to somebody. > > > > Mitch. > > > > _ >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Plastic key tops
Having had many well-worn keys with the original plastic top worn away so much that the once-square key head was rounded and smooth with no corners, I suspect that at some point Huf (the OEM supplier) changed the formulation of the plastic. The old key heads didn't seem to ever break or crack, but several of the replacement ones I've had (from the MB dealer) didn't last. You would think, given the OUTRAGEOUS price of a little piece of plastic (nearly $8 at the dealer, IIRC about $4 from Rusty), that it would at least last a long time! D. >-- > >Message: 16 >Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:11:41 -0500 >From: "wilton strickland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [MBZ] Plastic key tops >To: >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >My wife and I have been driving MB for only 28 yrs and we've had only 4 MB >(an 80 240D for 16+ yrs, a 91 350SDL for 11+ yrs, a 20-24 year-old 81 300D >for 4+ yrs and a 21 yr-old 87 300D for 3+ yrs). Counting original and >replacement keys, including those with new lock tumbler cylinders, we've >had, maybe, 18 keys. Of course, of these, we've used extensively only about >12. This is still a fairly small sampling compared to some of you fine MB >enthusiasts and aficionados, but we've had the top come off of only one key. >This top was a soft, limber plastic that came apart along the centerline of >the edge. All the others have been of a harder, molded plastic material >that have worn "slick" without coming apart or breaking/tearing, etc. - very >durable > >Wilton > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dog shoots Man - gets away scott free!
LarryT wrote: > I hope they fired him and the nitwit who sent him to teach gun safety - but > it;s the govt - they don;t know how to fire people.. I must admit, he showed an incredible degree of professional restraint in continuing with the lecture after shooting himself. I would have expected rolling around on the floor begging for a doctor. "I'm the only one professional enough to ignore this bleeding hole in my foot and carry on with my duties". The best part is that the video was made by a private citizen. The DEA commandeered the tape, erased the embarrassing part and returned it to its owner. Paige thought that was the end of it, but somehow the censored part of the video was distributed on the internet. So he sued the federal gov't for public humiliation. I think the guy the tape belonged to should be suing for theft. http://blog.euclidmanagers.com/home/video-of-dea-agent-shooting-himself-prompts-lawsuit.html http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2006/04/im-only-one-litigious-enough.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 123 starting prob.
Oops, that was several YEARS ago my 350SDL needed glow plugs. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 123 starting prob.
'Cept for a coupla days several days ago when the 350SDL needed glow plugs, all 4 MBs I've had have needed only a "bump" of the starters to start - yes, I've been lucky on this. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Plastic key tops
A "Smart Car" travelling exibition was in Tampa-St.Petersburg last week showing off their car and taking $500 deposits. Interested? (-:] http://www.sptimes.com/2007/10/25/news_pf/Business/Tiny_Smart_car_might_.shtml Gerry --- - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin, work" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Well its going to go way up Im sure since oil was almost $94 yesterday. > Geez. This peek oil thing is really starting to hit. > > - Original Message - > From: "Robert Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:03 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Plastic key tops > > >> Holy crap...diesel went up $.06 last night while I was at work. It's now >> $3.24 here. It's nuts. >> Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 starting problem
on a diesel I usually pull the 30a or 80a fuse (depending on model) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Hendrik & Fay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 starting problem > Mercedes recommends to remove the wire from the distributor to the > ignition module on petrol engines. Usually they are a green wire. > With a cold Diesel engine there should be no problem with it starting, > however direct injection engines are different and as such the fuel shut > off mechanism should be activated. > > Alex Chamberlain wrote: >>> So how do you prevent it from starting when you bump the key? >>> >> >> Pull the center wire from the distributor. ;) >> >> Alex Chamberlain >> '87 300D Turbo et al. >> >> >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.13/1099 - Release Date: > 10/30/2007 10:06 AM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dog shoots Man - gets away scott free!
Mitch wrote:<> Yeah, it's the *video's* fault! LOL!! no, ROTFLMAO!! What a moron - yep, the world,s right - he *is* an idiot. Again, the basic rules of safety - unload the gun - make *sure* it;s unloaded, then check to see it's unloaded - and finally - always assume it *is* loaded and never point it at anything you do not wish to destroy. I wonder who chose that moron to ilustrate gun safety to kids?Any 8 year old who has gone thru the Eddie Eagle NRA kids gun safety program would have done a better job. I hope they fired him and the nitwit who sent him to teach gun safety - but it;s the govt - they don;t know how to fire people.. Sorry about the rant - but I hate to see anyone provide fresh ammo to the anti-gun nuts in the US who are no doubt saying, "See? Even a professional trained in gun safety cannot handle one safely." Trained my a$$. idiot - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dog shoots Man - gets away scott free! > LarryT wrote: > >> You're right Alex - he was ignoring many of the safety rules - which is >> virtually *ALWAYS* the case when an accident like this happens. > > Cops, especially feds & SWAT, seem to be as bad or worse than hunters. > Here's the perfect example: "I'm the only one in this room professional > enough to...owdamn...shoot myself in a classroom full of little kids" > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhIJOVD8hwY > The guy (DEA Special Agent) was recently quoted as complaining that > everybody > in the world thinks he's an idiot because of the video. Then there's the > PA trooper who got his brains blown out earlier this year because his > partner > tried to shoot over his head, not realizing that 1) it was an incredibly > unsafe thing to begin with, and 2) that his sights were higher than the > initial path of the bullet, so aiming just over his head at close range > guaranteed a hit. > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.13/1099 - Release Date: > 10/30/2007 10:06 AM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 starting problem
Mercedes recommends to remove the wire from the distributor to the ignition module on petrol engines. Usually they are a green wire. With a cold Diesel engine there should be no problem with it starting, however direct injection engines are different and as such the fuel shut off mechanism should be activated. Alex Chamberlain wrote: >> So how do you prevent it from starting when you bump the key? >> > > Pull the center wire from the distributor. ;) > > Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo et al. > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dog shoots Man - gets away scott free!
LarryT wrote: > You're right Alex - he was ignoring many of the safety rules - which is > virtually *ALWAYS* the case when an accident like this happens. Cops, especially feds & SWAT, seem to be as bad or worse than hunters. Here's the perfect example: "I'm the only one in this room professional enough to...owdamn...shoot myself in a classroom full of little kids" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhIJOVD8hwY The guy (DEA Special Agent) was recently quoted as complaining that everybody in the world thinks he's an idiot because of the video. Then there's the PA trooper who got his brains blown out earlier this year because his partner tried to shoot over his head, not realizing that 1) it was an incredibly unsafe thing to begin with, and 2) that his sights were higher than the initial path of the bullet, so aiming just over his head at close range guaranteed a hit. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Door Check Failure Warning
I experienced a sudden door-check failure today on my 123 chassis 300TD. There was no warning. With this failure, the door could not be closed. The failed door check was the newer stamped, post-production type with big spring-loaded ball bearings that snap into the detents. One of the balls was frozen and would not retract out of the detent . and I pushed pretty hard. So be warned. The original cast unit failed years ago but those units failed in a way that you could always still close the door. As a final comment, I was again reminded how easy it is to get inside the 123 doors compared to the 126 doors. Scott Ritchey 1979 300TD 350k mi 1982 300SD 230k mi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yea or nay: '91 300D, 305k miles
Tony Wirtel wrote: > Am getting for $900 > with deposit down but still could back out. $900? You're getting a tired but decent looking driver for a parts car price. I'd call that a steal of a deal. OTOH, if you expect to pay a pro to put it in tip-top shape for you, you might be better off buying a car that's in tip-top shape to begin with. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB creates wife right husband wrong condition -brakelights
this is why MB turns off the brake lights with the key --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: "R A Bennell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB creates wife right husband wrong condition -brakelights > > My wife's Toyota Avalon obiously lights the brake lights when the key is > off. For quite a while, I wished it did > not. She had a near miss on day a while back and hammered the brakes real > hard to avoid someone who spun accross in > front of her. > > Something happened to the brake light switch under the dash as after that > the brake lights were on more than off. > She had to be very careful to check and make sure they were off when she > parked the car as it would drain the > battery if the car was left for long. She got to where she tapped the > brake pedal a couple of times before getting > out of the car. > > I could see the darned little switch but could not get to it without > dismantling quite a bit of car so I let it go > until the weather warmed up. I did try spraying a bit of WD40 in there in > case it was sticking just a bit but that > did not help. People following her must have thought she was a nervous > nelly or one of those left foot braking > folks who keep one foot on it all the time as the brake lights would > flicker on and off all the time she drove it. > > I thought I would have to get a new switch. > > This spring, I finally dismantled until I could get to it and adjusted it > just a little bit and it has been fine > since. Just had to turn it down a bit more so that it made better contact > with the pedal assembly. Step on the > brakes and it released the plunger and makes contact. Let off of the > brakes and it is supposed to retract > sufficiently to not make contact. In our case it was not pushing the > plunger in far enough. Maybe she bent the > whole brake pedal arm slightly when she hammered the brakes. > > Randy > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dog shoots Man - gets away scott free!
You're right Alex - he was ignoring many of the safety rules - which is virtually *ALWAYS* the case when an accident like this happens. I was always told to place the rifle/shotgun in a safe position where it won't get knocked over *and* open the bolt or remove the ammo from the chamber. No excuse - it never shoul dhave happened - but like people all over, we get complacent and take shortcuts - afterall, why should I clear the chamber when I only need to hop over this little fence. Famous last words. That shotgun could have hit him in the theigh and ruptured the femoral artery - we'd be hearing about a mysterious death instead of a dog shooting man article. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dog shoots Man - gets away scott free! > On 10/30/07, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Harris was hunting with a group about three miles north of Grinnell. The >> group shot a bird, and when Harris went to get it, he put his gun on the >> ground and crossed a fence. As he crossed the fence, his hunting dog >> stepped >> on the gun, Foster said. > > I don't have much sympathy. At least he knew enough about gun safety > to put it down when he climbed the fence, but what the heck was he > doing leaving it on the ground with a round in the chamber and the > safety off? > > Alex Chamberlain > '60 Remington Sportsman 48 et al. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.13/1099 - Release Date: > 10/30/2007 10:06 AM > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB creates wife right husband wrong condition - brakelights
My wife's Toyota Avalon obiously lights the brake lights when the key is off. For quite a while, I wished it did not. She had a near miss on day a while back and hammered the brakes real hard to avoid someone who spun accross in front of her. Something happened to the brake light switch under the dash as after that the brake lights were on more than off. She had to be very careful to check and make sure they were off when she parked the car as it would drain the battery if the car was left for long. She got to where she tapped the brake pedal a couple of times before getting out of the car. I could see the darned little switch but could not get to it without dismantling quite a bit of car so I let it go until the weather warmed up. I did try spraying a bit of WD40 in there in case it was sticking just a bit but that did not help. People following her must have thought she was a nervous nelly or one of those left foot braking folks who keep one foot on it all the time as the brake lights would flicker on and off all the time she drove it. I thought I would have to get a new switch. This spring, I finally dismantled until I could get to it and adjusted it just a little bit and it has been fine since. Just had to turn it down a bit more so that it made better contact with the pedal assembly. Step on the brakes and it released the plunger and makes contact. Let off of the brakes and it is supposed to retract sufficiently to not make contact. In our case it was not pushing the plunger in far enough. Maybe she bent the whole brake pedal arm slightly when she hammered the brakes. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dog shoots Man - gets away scott free!
Actually, there was a news story recently - I think from the Pac. NW area - that involved a Great Dane accidentally causing a gun to go off and shoot the man of a household. We were surprised how unshaken the wife was - had a smile on her face as she described it to reporters. The guy was going to be okay. brian On 10/30/07, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Guns don't kill people, dogs kill people. > > Dog shoots man in freak accident > > Associated Press > Oct. 30, 2007 08:49 AM > DES MOINES, Iowa - A hunter is recovering after he was shot in the leg at > close range by his dog, who stepped on his shotgun and tripped the trigger, > an official said Tuesday. > > James Harris, 37, of Tama, was hit in the calf Saturday, the opening day of > pheasant season, said Alan Foster, a spokesman with the Iowa Department of > Natural Resources. > > "He had surgery and is doing pretty well," he said. "He took between 100-120 > pellets in about a 4-inch circle to his calf." > > > Harris was listed in good condition Tuesday, officials at University > Hospitals in Iowa City said. > > Harris was hunting with a group about three miles north of Grinnell. The > group shot a bird, and when Harris went to get it, he put his gun on the > ground and crossed a fence. As he crossed the fence, his hunting dog stepped > on the gun, Foster said. > > The gun was about 3 feet away from his leg. > > "The muzzle velocity is so great that the pellets don't have a chance to > spread out," he said. > > No one else was hurt, and the dog was not injured. > > Foster said no citations have been issued. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Yea or nay: '91 300D, 305k miles
Car has mucho service history and drives well, though the turbo didn't kick when I drove it BUT before starting I'd also just connected the overboost switch on the manifold that had been "mysteriously" detached. At least one glow plug is weak/out (light off before start, on about a minute after), but almost no smoke at idle even when cool, after Decent condition, but smoke silver paint has two dime-sized rust spots. Water leak from trunk lid into trunk. Shifting is only OK, but trans is probably original- thinking this might be a good candidate to re-do, 2 seconds to reverse engagement. HVAC is good but sunroof iffy. One tear in the burgundy leather. Am getting for $900 with deposit down but still could back out. How crazy would it be to buy this car? Am also starting a new job where I'll be driving 90 miles/day. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB creates wife right husband wrong condition - brakelights
OK, lets just drop it at this point and move on, nothing to see here. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB creates wife right husband wrong condition - brakelights > Umm, no, here's what you wrote, Ernest. > > You wrote: > (i've seen your other posts, so i'll remind you that there's no need to > make > things up; remember that i'm not your wife, and you don't need to > 'win'!) ;-) > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB creates wife right husband wrong condition - brake lights
Umm, no, here's what you wrote, Ernest. You wrote: (i've seen your other posts, so i'll remind you that there's no need to make things up; remember that i'm not your wife, and you don't need to 'win'!) ;-) That doesn't seem like a very good way to rib someone in good fun. You were saying that I had fabricated things in my postings to this list. I think most people would take exception to that. Yes, I do poke fun at myself. The whole thread regarding the brake light experience and "losing" a battle with my wife was written in fun. And if you can't see that I was making it clear that I do *not* care to be competitive unless someone unjustly attacks me, then you, sir, ar the one that needs to pay close attention when reading, and give even closer consideration before you write accusatory words based on your misunderstanding. If you find my examples regarding the brake lights "reaches" it's your perogative to find them so. I am not saying they are of great importance, I am saying I can think of few reasons. I haven't spent a ton of time analyzing the topic, I just thought brake lights were designed so for a reason. You don't think so - that's a healthy, if relatively unimportant debate. I had an impression of you, Ernest, that you were a pretty cool guy ever since a post you wrote to me some time ago; and I appreciate anyone who uses the word "cheers" as a salutation. So I am surprised you chose to handle this one the way you did. Again, if you think I have somehow fabricated information at any time in the past or present, I think you ought to make it specifically known to the list, since you made your allegation to the list. Brian On 10/30/07, ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > brian, > > jeeze; i didn't say you had made things up, i said you *didn't* have > to! you seem a little 'touchy'; there's no need to jump so quickly to a > defensive attitude! > must i remind you that you started this thread with an example of a > "guarantee" you made without any direct experience of what you were > guaranteeing, and then extended it with examples of your competitive > tendencies (under the premise of being your idea of a "masculist")? i > apologize for my mistake in thinking that since you had started out by > poking fun at yourself that we might be able to join you; you obviously > missed the humor, and i promise to try to remember in the future not to > do it again. (were i the type to have been trying to get a rise out of > you, it wouldn't have been any fun at all; it's apparently no challenge > whatsoever!) > so, take a deep breath, relax, read what i wrote again while paying > attention this time... and maybe you'll be able to take note of the > smilie that was intended to indicate a tone of good humor. > > the examples you presented of why anyone would *need* brake lights > without a key seem like 'reaches' that don't merit our debating (so i > don't feel any need to go there), and do nothing to deter the position > that the reason most vehicles that don't have switched brake lights is > probably just that it's easier/cheaper to make them that way. (as an > aside, i *do* wonder how long MBZ has been doing it this way,...) > we can agree that examples like the sticky brake pedal (or brake > light switch, etc.) are (IMHO, better) reasons why they *should* be > switched, and let it go from there. > > > cheers! > e > > > Zoltan Finks wrote: > > Hmm, Ernest, I'm surprised at your implying that I make things up. Now > > it seems you have placed yourself in the position of having to give > > examples of things that I have made up, sir. Do share with us the > > evidence of my artifice. > > > > Now for the brake lights: I have been in shop-type situations where it > > was useful to see when the person behind the wheel was applying the > > brake - as in when the car was being pushed or pulled into position in > > the bay. Yes, most columns need the key in order to allow the steering > > wheel to turn, but not on many of the older cars. Further, the keys in > > my Benzes need to be turned all the way to ignition "on" in order to > > enable the brake lights, and that's further than is required to unlock > > the steering column. > > > > It can come in handy when bleeding brakes using two persons. > > > > It would have been handy the other night when I was wanting to check > > whether the brake lights were out, but didn't want to have to get the > > keys and put them in the ignition. > > > > I also like it when, at night, a person or persons give away, by > > inadvertently brushing the brake pedal, the fact that they are laying > > low in a vehicle. > > > > You can tell 90% of the time if the driver of a vehicle is a woman by > > observing that the brake lights stay on until after the driver's door > > opens. > > > > But yes, I have seen situations in which it was a problem that the > > brake lights operated without the key - such as a brake pedal that > > likes to stick down a bit.
Re: [MBZ] Dog shoots Man - gets away scott free!
On 10/30/07, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Harris was hunting with a group about three miles north of Grinnell. The > group shot a bird, and when Harris went to get it, he put his gun on the > ground and crossed a fence. As he crossed the fence, his hunting dog stepped > on the gun, Foster said. I don't have much sympathy. At least he knew enough about gun safety to put it down when he climbed the fence, but what the heck was he doing leaving it on the ground with a round in the chamber and the safety off? Alex Chamberlain '60 Remington Sportsman 48 et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Plastic key tops
My wife and I have been driving MB for only 28 yrs and we've had only 4 MB (an 80 240D for 16+ yrs, a 91 350SDL for 11+ yrs, a 20-24 year-old 81 300D for 4+ yrs and a 21 yr-old 87 300D for 3+ yrs). Counting original and replacement keys, including those with new lock tumbler cylinders, we've had, maybe, 18 keys. Of course, of these, we've used extensively only about 12. This is still a fairly small sampling compared to some of you fine MB enthusiasts and aficionados, but we've had the top come off of only one key. This top was a soft, limber plastic that came apart along the centerline of the edge. All the others have been of a harder, molded plastic material that have worn "slick" without coming apart or breaking/tearing, etc. - very durable Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dog shoots Man - gets away scott free!
And why was the hunter crossing the fence with the hammer cocked?? Another excellent example of stupidity that someone will blame on the sport, or the gun Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 10/30/07 01:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Dog shoots Man - gets away scott free! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Guns don't kill people, dogs kill people. Dog shoots man in freak accident Associated Press Oct. 30, 2007 08:49 AM DES MOINES, Iowa - A hunter is recovering after he was shot in the leg at close range by his dog, who stepped on his shotgun and tripped the trigger, an official said Tuesday. James Harris, 37, of Tama, was hit in the calf Saturday, the opening day of pheasant season, said Alan Foster, a spokesman with the Iowa Department of Natural Resources. "He had surgery and is doing pretty well," he said. "He took between 100-120 pellets in about a 4-inch circle to his calf." Harris was listed in good condition Tuesday, officials at University Hospitals in Iowa City said. Harris was hunting with a group about three miles north of Grinnell. The group shot a bird, and when Harris went to get it, he put his gun on the ground and crossed a fence. As he crossed the fence, his hunting dog stepped on the gun, Foster said. The gun was about 3 feet away from his leg. "The muzzle velocity is so great that the pellets don't have a chance to spread out," he said. No one else was hurt, and the dog was not injured. Foster said no citations have been issued. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Plastic key tops
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: "andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Plastic key tops >I was going to correct the spelling of "peak" oil but the price is so scary > high I'm too afraid to even peek at the daily crude prices anymore, so > perhaps we have "no peek oil". > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Plastic key tops
I was going to correct the spelling of "peak" oil but the price is so scary high I'm too afraid to even peek at the daily crude prices anymore, so perhaps we have "no peek oil". On 10/30/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > just wait till the problems really start > > --- > Kaleb C. Striplin > Cox Auto Trader > 730 FSBO Supervisor > > - Original Message - > From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" ; "'Mercedes > Discussion List'" > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:24 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Plastic key tops > > > > This "peak" oil thing.. > > > > And it's just started. > > > > Tom > > www.kegkits.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Dog shoots Man - gets away scott free!
Guns don't kill people, dogs kill people. Dog shoots man in freak accident Associated Press Oct. 30, 2007 08:49 AM DES MOINES, Iowa - A hunter is recovering after he was shot in the leg at close range by his dog, who stepped on his shotgun and tripped the trigger, an official said Tuesday. James Harris, 37, of Tama, was hit in the calf Saturday, the opening day of pheasant season, said Alan Foster, a spokesman with the Iowa Department of Natural Resources. "He had surgery and is doing pretty well," he said. "He took between 100-120 pellets in about a 4-inch circle to his calf." Harris was listed in good condition Tuesday, officials at University Hospitals in Iowa City said. Harris was hunting with a group about three miles north of Grinnell. The group shot a bird, and when Harris went to get it, he put his gun on the ground and crossed a fence. As he crossed the fence, his hunting dog stepped on the gun, Foster said. The gun was about 3 feet away from his leg. "The muzzle velocity is so great that the pellets don't have a chance to spread out," he said. No one else was hurt, and the dog was not injured. Foster said no citations have been issued. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harmonic Balancer
Harmonic balancer?? Is that a fancy name for a tuning fork? On 10/30/07, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jim Cathey wrote: > >> the bearing is a standard roller bearing, but it doesn't rotate more > >> than a degree or two in use, so the race gets notches in it, > > > > That was a bit of bad design. The tensioner rocker should have > > been a stout sleeve bearing, it would probably last longer. > > It's also a not-so-standard double-race bearing about an inch > > in depth, as those of us who have actually tried to replace > > just the bearing have found. I ended up using two standard > > single-race bearings with a shim between to get the depth > > right. So far, so good. > > The early designs were sleeve bearing and they didn't last nearly as > long as the later design - often failed without much warning. Were > recalled. > > Marshall > -- > Marshall Booth Ph.D. > Ass't Prof. (ret.) > Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Plastic key tops
just wait till the problems really start --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" ; "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Plastic key tops > This "peak" oil thing.. > > And it's just started. > > Tom > www.kegkits.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Plastic key tops
OEM or not should not make a difference. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 10/30/07 10:05 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Plastic key tops -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= I got a coupla good ones made at the local locksmith (who knew all about Mercedes keys and had good things to say about them because they give him lots of business) that are very strong on the top bit, but we are cautioned to use only the factory keys because the non-OEM ones gunk up the ignition switch. --R E M wrote: > Rather than messing with key tops that break, wonder if you can't just find > a copy of a bland key with a solid molded top? Found some great blanks for > my porsche for under $10 each, as good as what came from the factory. Just > at one of those little corner key places. > > Ed > 300E > > On 30/10/2007, wilton strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The plastic key tops are in Performance Products catalog @ $10.40. >> >> Wilton >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB creates wife right husband wrong condition - brake lights
brian, jeeze; i didn't say you had made things up, i said you *didn't* have to! you seem a little 'touchy'; there's no need to jump so quickly to a defensive attitude! must i remind you that you started this thread with an example of a "guarantee" you made without any direct experience of what you were guaranteeing, and then extended it with examples of your competitive tendencies (under the premise of being your idea of a "masculist")? i apologize for my mistake in thinking that since you had started out by poking fun at yourself that we might be able to join you; you obviously missed the humor, and i promise to try to remember in the future not to do it again. (were i the type to have been trying to get a rise out of you, it wouldn't have been any fun at all; it's apparently no challenge whatsoever!) so, take a deep breath, relax, read what i wrote again while paying attention this time... and maybe you'll be able to take note of the smilie that was intended to indicate a tone of good humor. the examples you presented of why anyone would *need* brake lights without a key seem like 'reaches' that don't merit our debating (so i don't feel any need to go there), and do nothing to deter the position that the reason most vehicles that don't have switched brake lights is probably just that it's easier/cheaper to make them that way. (as an aside, i *do* wonder how long MBZ has been doing it this way,...) we can agree that examples like the sticky brake pedal (or brake light switch, etc.) are (IMHO, better) reasons why they *should* be switched, and let it go from there. cheers! e Zoltan Finks wrote: > Hmm, Ernest, I'm surprised at your implying that I make things up. Now > it seems you have placed yourself in the position of having to give > examples of things that I have made up, sir. Do share with us the > evidence of my artifice. > > Now for the brake lights: I have been in shop-type situations where it > was useful to see when the person behind the wheel was applying the > brake - as in when the car was being pushed or pulled into position in > the bay. Yes, most columns need the key in order to allow the steering > wheel to turn, but not on many of the older cars. Further, the keys in > my Benzes need to be turned all the way to ignition "on" in order to > enable the brake lights, and that's further than is required to unlock > the steering column. > > It can come in handy when bleeding brakes using two persons. > > It would have been handy the other night when I was wanting to check > whether the brake lights were out, but didn't want to have to get the > keys and put them in the ignition. > > I also like it when, at night, a person or persons give away, by > inadvertently brushing the brake pedal, the fact that they are laying > low in a vehicle. > > You can tell 90% of the time if the driver of a vehicle is a woman by > observing that the brake lights stay on until after the driver's door > opens. > > But yes, I have seen situations in which it was a problem that the > brake lights operated without the key - such as a brake pedal that > likes to stick down a bit. > > Brian > > On 10/29/07, ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> hi Brian! >> >> seems unlikely to me for a person to be in a situation where the >> ignition's off and the steering wheel's locked and they were to e >> needing brakes; in that case, letting the person behind them know that >> they're braking wouldn't likely be one of their highest concerns! >> >> i can think of several reasons why i wouldn't want the brake lights >> to be functional without the key in (mostly resulting in various methods >> of draining the battery). >> i can't think of one good reason why we'd need brake lights without >> a key; only that it's cheaper to make the car that way. if you've >> thought of "a few reasons", please; do share at least a couple! (i've >> seen your other posts, so i'll remind you that there's no need to make >> things up; remember that i'm not your wife, and you don't need to >> 'win'!) ;-) >> >> >> cheers! >> e >> >> >> Zoltan Finks wrote: >> >>> I can think of a few reasons actually. >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> On 10/29/07, ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> pretty funny, though you obviously didn't have your German Logic Circuit engaged when you started thinking about this; why would the brake lights *need* to work when the engine's off and the steering wheel's locked? ;-) cheers! e Zoltan Finks wrote: > Must sell both Mercedes. Last night when investigating a tail light > that was out, I discovered that the brake lights didn't work either > (190D). So wife comes into garage and I tell her what I'm doing as I'm > under the hood switching out a fuse. > > She says try turning on the key. I say with complete confidence (rare > for me on any topic
Re: [MBZ] Plastic key tops
This "peak" oil thing.. And it's just started. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Kaleb C. Striplin, work <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 10/30/07 10:37 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Plastic key tops -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Well its going to go way up Im sure since oil was almost $94 yesterday. Geez. This peek oil thing is really starting to hit. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: "Robert Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Plastic key tops >I forgot about those guys. > > Holy crap...diesel went up $.06 last night while I was at work. It's now > $3.24 here. It's nuts. > > Bob R. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of wilton strickland > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 6:51 AM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Subject: [MBZ] Plastic key tops > > The plastic key tops are in Performance Products catalog @ $10.40. > > Wilton > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 starting problem
On 10/30/07, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> So how do you turn the motor? With the 14mm spanner? > > > > Key bump. Or a crescent wrench on the PS pump. Or the > > 27mm on the crank, but that's a lot harder. > > So how do you prevent it from starting when you bump the key? Pull the center wire from the distributor. ;) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] WB Marshall was Re: Harmonic Balancer
> Marshall > -- > Marshall Booth Ph.D. > Ass't Prof. (ret.) > Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Welcome back Marshall. I hope all is well with you. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Plastic key tops
Same here. Surprising how the media has been relatively quiet about the record high price of oil. I haven't heard it said yet but I suspect the price is now a record even when adjusted for inflation. Gas prices have only recently started to rise while diesel has been creeping up for months. I expect gas prices to skyrocket around the holiday travel time. -Curt Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:03:56 -0700 From: "Robert Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Plastic key tops To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I forgot about those guys. Holy crap...diesel went up $.06 last night while I was at work. It's now $3.24 here. It's nuts. Bob R. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 starting problem
And my '83 240D. -Curt Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:05:50 -0500 From: "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 starting problem To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Same on my '81 240D. On 10/30/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My '79 240D only has 1 belt for the water pump and alt - plus another for > the AC and another for the PS. > -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harmonic Balancer
Jim Cathey wrote: >> the bearing is a standard roller bearing, but it doesn't rotate more >> than a degree or two in use, so the race gets notches in it, > > That was a bit of bad design. The tensioner rocker should have > been a stout sleeve bearing, it would probably last longer. > It's also a not-so-standard double-race bearing about an inch > in depth, as those of us who have actually tried to replace > just the bearing have found. I ended up using two standard > single-race bearings with a shim between to get the depth > right. So far, so good. The early designs were sleeve bearing and they didn't last nearly as long as the later design - often failed without much warning. Were recalled. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OBDII on 95Mercedes?
Its not OBDII but it stores trouble codes, any 90 and up do. You just have to have some sort of device with a LED and jump certain pins to read the codes. I have one such device and am getting ready to start making and selling them maybe. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: "ned kleinhenz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes List" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:42 AM Subject: [MBZ] OBDII on 95Mercedes? > Does anybody know if you can use an OBDII with a '95 Mercedes? > I have two '95 E300D's and have never figured out how to gather > diagnostic data out of them. These 124's were actually built in late > '94. And OBD did not become a US standard until '96. Does this > vintage Mercedes store fault codes? If so, is there a device > available to DIY's that can read them? > > I have a Harbor Freight OBDII reader that I use on our Chrysler, > Nissan, Toyota and BMW. And I have a Peake device that works on our > BMW's. But what works with a Mercedes of this vintage? > > Thanks, > Ned Kleinhenz > '95 E300Dx2 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Plastic key tops
Well its going to go way up Im sure since oil was almost $94 yesterday. Geez. This peek oil thing is really starting to hit. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: "Robert Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Plastic key tops >I forgot about those guys. > > Holy crap...diesel went up $.06 last night while I was at work. It's now > $3.24 here. It's nuts. > > Bob R. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of wilton strickland > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 6:51 AM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Subject: [MBZ] Plastic key tops > > The plastic key tops are in Performance Products catalog @ $10.40. > > Wilton > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 23, Issue 133 - 85 300D, W-123 Bodied Sedan, Leak in Passenger Compartment
Message: 12 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:20:45 -0700 From: Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 300D, W-123 Bodied Sedan, Leak in Passenger Compartment Jim, I have run the A/C continually since having the new evaporator installed so there should have been some indication of that kind of leak before this although it could have been there and I just did not notice as it was in the passenger compartment. I remember people talking about W-123 windshield seal leaks and I believe Sunroof drain leaks in the past. I am not sure where the sun roof drain goes nor am I sure where the Evaporator drain goes. I cleaned out the drain by the hood spring and made sure that the one from the front air intake was clear now I am trying to use others experience for other places to look and techniques to fault isolate the leak. I'll contact my Indie that put in the evaporator but I had not used the car and A/C much in the week before I found the wet carpet just after I washed the car. Anyone else with experience on a W-123 Sedan with a similar problem, please add your .02. In November I am planning on lending this vehicle to fellow lister Chuck Landenberger when he will be in Naples so I am trying to find a quick fix that will allow him to use the car without getting his passengers feet wet. Tom Harruff Naples, FL 1985 300Dt (Diesel Dolly) 1994 C280 (Wife's Car) 2000 Sedan Deville (Road Car) Message: 12 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:20:45 -0700 From: Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 300D, W-123 Bodied Sedan, Leak in Passenger Compartment To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > I pulled my 85 300D out of the garage today after washing it yesterday > for the first time in quite a while and much to my chagrin I found the > front carpet wet on the passenger side. It did not appear to be > coolant as it had no obvious odor and the temperatures have been in > the low 90s or high 80s right up until today. No heat but lots of > A/C...A couple of months ago I had the A/C evaporator replaced by my > Indie. Are you sure it's outside water? It can be awfully hard to get the HVAC box back together so that condensate doesn't leak out onto the floor. I've had that problem with my SL's. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition switch problems [was: Re: Losing coolant, somewhere]
I hate it when that upstart Rusty steals my business. ;) On 10/29/07, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:48:31 -0400 "andrew strasfogel" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I may have one in the garage. If you still need it I'll check. > > Thank you for the offer. I ordered a new one from Rusty this morning. > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Prices (was: Plastic key tops)
Allan Streib wrote: > > People starting to buy heating oil for the winter? Light crude has been over $90 for a few days, which is far above the Katrina peak of 2005. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Plastic key tops
I got a coupla good ones made at the local locksmith (who knew all about Mercedes keys and had good things to say about them because they give him lots of business) that are very strong on the top bit, but we are cautioned to use only the factory keys because the non-OEM ones gunk up the ignition switch. --R E M wrote: > Rather than messing with key tops that break, wonder if you can't just find > a copy of a bland key with a solid molded top? Found some great blanks for > my porsche for under $10 each, as good as what came from the factory. Just > at one of those little corner key places. > > Ed > 300E > > On 30/10/2007, wilton strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The plastic key tops are in Performance Products catalog @ $10.40. >> >> Wilton >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Prices
No, the Mexicans shut down production for a coupla days in the Gulf because of something trivial (needed more cash to ship their people north?) and there is a storm out off the SE, and the traders went berserk (like they need anything to set them off) and oil went up $2 or $3/bbl, so the pump price follows. Winter heating oil might be a factor, but with global warming climate change I guess they think its gonna be cold this winter or something so more heating oil and gas will be needed. --R Allan Streib wrote: > "Robert Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> Holy crap...diesel went up $.06 last night while I was at work. It's now >> $3.24 here. It's nuts. >> > > People starting to buy heating oil for the winter? > > Allan > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 starting problem
Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> So how do you turn the motor? With the 14mm spanner? > > Key bump. Or a crescent wrench on the PS pump. Or the > 27mm on the crank, but that's a lot harder. So how do you prevent it from starting when you bump the key? I guess if you do the job with a cold engine as you are supposed to, and don't let it glow, it's pretty unlikely. I've always turned the crank with a wrench. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Diesel Prices (was: Plastic key tops)
"Robert Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Holy crap...diesel went up $.06 last night while I was at work. It's now > $3.24 here. It's nuts. People starting to buy heating oil for the winter? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harmonic Balancer
> the bearing is a standard roller bearing, but it doesn't rotate more > than a degree or two in use, so the race gets notches in it, That was a bit of bad design. The tensioner rocker should have been a stout sleeve bearing, it would probably last longer. It's also a not-so-standard double-race bearing about an inch in depth, as those of us who have actually tried to replace just the bearing have found. I ended up using two standard single-race bearings with a shim between to get the depth right. So far, so good. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OBDII on 95Mercedes?
Does anybody know if you can use an OBDII with a '95 Mercedes? I have two '95 E300D's and have never figured out how to gather diagnostic data out of them. These 124's were actually built in late '94. And OBD did not become a US standard until '96. Does this vintage Mercedes store fault codes? If so, is there a device available to DIY's that can read them? I have a Harbor Freight OBDII reader that I use on our Chrysler, Nissan, Toyota and BMW. And I have a Peake device that works on our BMW's. But what works with a Mercedes of this vintage? Thanks, Ned Kleinhenz '95 E300Dx2 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harmonic Balancer
> All parts fail in some circumstance, somewhere, but I don't remember > the harmonic balancer on the 60x being a problem. The crank pulley has a distressing tendency to come loose from the harmonic balancer. Makes all kinds of weird noise at first, and then causes all sorts of harm when it finally lets loose. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 starting problem
> So how do you turn the motor? With the 14mm spanner? Key bump. Or a crescent wrench on the PS pump. Or the 27mm on the crank, but that's a lot harder. Then you adjust any/all valves that the cam lobes are away from. Repeat until done. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Plastic key tops
> Holy crap...diesel went up $.06 last night while I was at work. It's > now > $3.24 here. It's nuts. 3.76 here. I've been driving the SL. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harmonic Balancer
All parts fail in some circumstance, somewhere, but I don't remember the harmonic balancer on the 60x being a problem. Knocking, belt running funny, squeals, and grinding noises are more likely to be the tensioner than the balancer -- check yours to see if it is running exactly in line with the belt. If it's any any angle away from the engine, replace it -- the bearing is a standard roller bearing, but it doesn't rotate more than a degree or two in use, so the race gets notches in it, with the result that it will start to click, then knock, then go sideways and pull the retaining bolt out of the front cover (). Not exactly free, but also not a hard job to replace, and if you have more than 150,000 miles or equivalent on the engine, you probably need one. Cures all sorts of misbehavior, including idle vibration and noises. Also replace the roller on the end of the arm -- the bearings go bad in there, too. You could just get the correct bearings, but you will need to push the mount bolt in and get the roller off without damage (very unlikely!) as well as press the bearings into the housing. Reminds me that I need to check the belt on the "new" car. Peter -Original Message- >From: Peter Merle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Oct 30, 2007 4:49 AM >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Subject: [MBZ] Harmonic Balancer > >What are the symptons of a harmonic balancer failing ? Do the balancers >of the OM 60x's ever fail? >Peter > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 starting problem
Being a REAL cheapass, I stopped by the local pawn shop and dug through the bin of cheap Chinese wrenches and pulled out the two thinnest 14mm. Grand total of 54 cents. (25 each + tax) I bent them with a torch, but it really didn't help much. If I had another 50 cents to spare, I wouldn't bother bending 'em :^) Gary Thompson 1995 E320 On 10/30/07, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Being a cheapass I think I waited until they were on sale for $1.99! > And worth every penny! > > --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Plastic key tops
I forgot about those guys. Holy crap...diesel went up $.06 last night while I was at work. It's now $3.24 here. It's nuts. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wilton strickland Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 6:51 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Plastic key tops The plastic key tops are in Performance Products catalog @ $10.40. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Plastic key tops
This eBay search will bring up quite a few Mercedes key blanks: http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&sbrftog=1&catref=C6&from =R10&mppfqy=mercedes+key+uncut&_trksid=m37&satitle=mercedes+key+blank&sacat= -1%26catref%3DC6&fmmk=&fmmd=&fylo=&fyhi=&mppfqy=mercedes+key+uncut&sargn=-1% 26saslc%3D2&sadis=200&fpos=35803&sabfmts=1&saobfmts=insif&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&sapr clo=&saprchi=&fsop=1%26fsoo%3D1&coaction=compare&copagenum=1&coentrypage=sea rch Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:53 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Plastic key tops Rather than messing with key tops that break, wonder if you can't just find a copy of a bland key with a solid molded top? Found some great blanks for my porsche for under $10 each, as good as what came from the factory. Just at one of those little corner key places. Ed 300E On 30/10/2007, wilton strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The plastic key tops are in Performance Products catalog @ $10.40. > > Wilton > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Plastic key tops
Rather than messing with key tops that break, wonder if you can't just find a copy of a bland key with a solid molded top? Found some great blanks for my porsche for under $10 each, as good as what came from the factory. Just at one of those little corner key places. Ed 300E On 30/10/2007, wilton strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The plastic key tops are in Performance Products catalog @ $10.40. > > Wilton > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Plastic key tops
The plastic key tops are in Performance Products catalog @ $10.40. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Honda Civic VX
it's in my town. anyone want me to look at it? On 10/29/07, archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > 1992 Civic VX, $1500. Drive slow, get 50mpg. > > Drive it like you stole it and still get 35-40mpg. > > http://columbus.craigslist.org/car/456100061.html > > -- > If it wasn't a 2000 mile round trip, I'd go look at it for sure. > Thanks, > Gerry > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 614-441-8164 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 starting problem
Being a cheapass I think I waited until they were on sale for $1.99! And worth every penny! --R Mitch Haley wrote: > Rich Thomas wrote: > >> I got some Harbor Freight cheapies (from India, probably melted down >> ships I saw them dismantle on some Discovery Channel show) and >> heated/bent the ends at 2-45deg angles, like the"real" ones. Work >> well. I think someone on the list suggested that so I copied him. >> > > If you used the five piece set of thin open end wrenches that sells > for $3.99 or something (name something like 'Gedore'), that was my > idea. Glad to know it was of use to somebody. > > Mitch. > > _ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 starting problem
Same on my '81 240D. On 10/30/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My '79 240D only has 1 belt for the water pump and alt - plus another for > the AC and another for the PS. > -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 starting problem
Howdy - I bump the engine with the key - actually, I might do valve adjusting differently than some. after removing the valve cover I look for the cam lobes that are straight up - those can be adjusted. I make a sketch showing the 8 valves and mark the ones I adjust. I then bump the engine with the key until a different set of lobes are up. adjust, mark, bump. It's no more complicated than that. But being dexterious with the wrenches helps when trying to hold the setting while tightening the nut. Keep going until all are adjusted. Can't recall the size feeler gauges you'll need - seems like I recall the intake being different than the exhaust. If so, look at the exhaust manifold to see which valves are exh valves. HTH's -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Hendrik & Fay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 4:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 starting problem > So how do you turn the motor? With the 14mm spanner? > What's the size of the crankshaft bolt? 27mm? Ideally you want a 3/4 > drive socket set to turn a Diesel without removing the injectors. Also > the concept of TDC can be difficult to grasp. > I would suggest getting a good write up on the procedure before jumping > under the bonnet and causing mayhem. > > Jim Cathey wrote: >> If it stopped starting like flipping a light switch >> once it got cold enough outside, it's the valves. Unless >> the GP fuse let loose or something like that, but that's >> easy to verify. DIY valve adjustment is really pretty >> easy on these cars, you should consider trying it yourself. >> All you need is a couple of 14mm wrenches and a feeler >> gauge. >> >> -- Jim >> >> >> >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1097 - Release Date: > 10/28/2007 1:58 PM > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 starting problem
Rich Thomas wrote: > > I got some Harbor Freight cheapies (from India, probably melted down > ships I saw them dismantle on some Discovery Channel show) and > heated/bent the ends at 2-45deg angles, like the"real" ones. Work > well. I think someone on the list suggested that so I copied him. If you used the five piece set of thin open end wrenches that sells for $3.99 or something (name something like 'Gedore'), that was my idea. Glad to know it was of use to somebody. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 starting problem
My '79 240D only has 1 belt for the water pump and alt - plus another for the AC and another for the PS. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 starting problem > Huh? _BOTH_ belts? > > Please tell me that my 240D 123 isn't supposed to have TWO belts at the > alternator. > > On 10/29/07, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> (you have both belts on the alternator, right?) >> > > > > -- > LT Don > http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ > Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. > > Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1097 - Release Date: > 10/28/2007 1:58 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 starting problem
You should be adjusting the valves every 12k-15k miles. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "R A Bennell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 starting problem > Adjust the valves? If not sealing tightly reduced compression will make > for harder starting. So I am told at least. > My car gets harder to start this time of year and that is what someone > suggested to me. I admit I have yet to check > the valves. If you have a block heater, plugging it in for an hour will > make a huge difference. Just like starting > in mid-summer. > > Randy > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:58 PM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Subject: [MBZ] 123 starting problem > > > Hi Guys, > > I have an 83' 300td with a starting problem. It's Running diesel fuel > only. I replaced the glow plugs and the > glow plug relay. > > Fuel is getting delivered from the injection pump Ok. The started turns > the motor. This problem started with a > recent minor cold snap. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, Michael > > Nobody loves me like my mother, and she could be jivin' too. > > - B. B. King > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1097 - Release Date: > 10/28/2007 1:58 PM > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Harmonic Balancer
What are the symptons of a harmonic balancer failing ? Do the balancers of the OM 60x's ever fail? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 starting problem
So how do you turn the motor? With the 14mm spanner? What's the size of the crankshaft bolt? 27mm? Ideally you want a 3/4 drive socket set to turn a Diesel without removing the injectors. Also the concept of TDC can be difficult to grasp. I would suggest getting a good write up on the procedure before jumping under the bonnet and causing mayhem. Jim Cathey wrote: > If it stopped starting like flipping a light switch > once it got cold enough outside, it's the valves. Unless > the GP fuse let loose or something like that, but that's > easy to verify. DIY valve adjustment is really pretty > easy on these cars, you should consider trying it yourself. > All you need is a couple of 14mm wrenches and a feeler > gauge. > > -- Jim > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
