Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity
Will any film camera cheaper than a Hasselblad take a digital back? Mamiya perhaps? Gerry - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yup - it's hard to beat instant gratification, but it's also hard to beat the magic of watching the print appear before your eyes, not to mention the smell of fixer! If Anne has gone digital, I suspect it would be with a high end digi back on a 'blad. I miss my darkroom, but not enough to re-construct it! OK Don Still has full range from Minox to 8X10 (3 of them!) On Dec 29, 2007 7:37 PM, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I was reading an article on Annie Leibovitz and was wondering if she's gone digital.. I miss my darkroom too! But that digital is just sooo easy! Jeff Zedic Still has a 4x5 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
All the Old Timers that I know and have learned from have a bias towards Lincoln. They refuse to even try an auto-darkening helmet - but all agree it is a good thing for us youngsters. They also say that a single accidental flash without a mask in place can cause permanent damage. One guy has been using the same mask for over 50 years. Lincoln has a $200 spool gun. Make sure that is an option on whatever model you get. It allows you to mig weld aluminum. I got a Miller and regret it. The spool gun option costs more than I paid for the base unit. -Dave Walton On Dec 29, 2007 7:31 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lowes has (4?) sizes of MIG welders. The largest is 220v; the others 110v. How many max amps would you need for light shop work and an occasional trailer hitch? Is Hobart still a good brand? Gerry --- From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Anyone* can do a decent mig weld the same day they first try it. Tig actually requires some coordination. Start off with an old brake rotor and move your way down to a coffee can. Thinner materials are harder to weld. With a Mig welder and a plasma cutter, you can do about anything. -Dave Walton On Dec 29, 2007 10:07 AM, Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My biggest need for welding would be #1: welding fittings into 55 gallon drums and #2: constructing sheet metal tanks. I know nothing about welding (I have been an electrician building submarines for General Dynamics and do know how to inspect a weld but not perform any welding) what is the groups recommendation for a welding setup for me? Dave H... -- From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:54 AM To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day Itsa whole different process. MIG is supposed to be better for fast and dirty welding, especially when the materials you're joining aren't perfectly clean, my snowmobile exhaust for instance. TIG makes a cleaner prettier weld but its slower because its a separate torch and filler rod deal. Its also much better for aluminium. I'd surely love to have the money for a TIG setup, of course if I did have that money I'd probably be better off spending it on a better MIG... -Curt Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:46:14 -0500 From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original What's the advantage of a TIG welder over a MIG welder? The prices on TIG welders are quite a bit more than MIG welders. I've been told that it's easier to weld aluminum with a TIG, and that a TIG is better when welding different metals together. Gerry - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: 12/27/2007 1:34 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
When you are learning to weld, you will make mistakes. A common mistake is to strike an arc accidentally when lining up to start the weld. That can happen on Tig, Mig, or stick. If you do that without a mask in place or with the visor flipped up, you expose your cornea to a huge dose of UV and can literally burn a hole in your retina before your brain says Blink. An auto-darkening mask is not transparent to begin with. It starts somewhere around a 3-5 shade. Most let you adjust that. Even if the auto-dark fails, it still saved your butt. -Dave Walton On Dec 29, 2007 8:19 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a little dubious about the safety of the darkening mask since it does have some effect on the eyes. What is the cumulative long term effect, if any, I wonder? Gerry That would be a huge step backwards from a modern instant mask. Regards, Peter T. Arnold - Wonder if anyone has ever built a motorized mask with a pushbutton on the stick holder. Push the button and the mask flips up, push it again and it flips down. Bet someone on the list could build one if they wanted to. Gerry --- When you're tacking sheetmetal together you do a little weld here, a little over there, a little in the middle, back over here, back over there, some farther along. Its nice to be able to reposition... But what I was really comparing it to was the crappy mask they give you that you have to hold with one hand while you try to work. A real mask is so much better. -Curt Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:35:32 -0800 From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Dec 28, 2007 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh and for you amatuer welders out there: a self darkening welding helmet makes ALL the difference in the world. Why's that? Just because it's faster than flipping up and down an ordinary mask to inspect your work? (Not trying to argue, just about to start welding myself and interested in getting off on the right foot... although, having seen some of my soldering handiwork, Jim may feel free to point out there's no right foot for me where fire and metal are involved.) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: 12/27/2007 1:34 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
I see your point. Thanks, Gerry -- From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] When you are learning to weld, you will make mistakes. A common mistake is to strike an arc accidentally when lining up to start the weld. That can happen on Tig, Mig, or stick. If you do that without a mask in place or with the visor flipped up, you expose your cornea to a huge dose of UV and can literally burn a hole in your retina before your brain says Blink. An auto-darkening mask is not transparent to begin with. It starts somewhere around a 3-5 shade. Most let you adjust that. Even if the auto-dark fails, it still saved your butt. -Dave Walton On Dec 29, 2007 8:19 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a little dubious about the safety of the darkening mask since it does have some effect on the eyes. What is the cumulative long term effect, if any, I wonder? Gerry That would be a huge step backwards from a modern instant mask. Regards, Peter T. Arnold - Wonder if anyone has ever built a motorized mask with a pushbutton on the stick holder. Push the button and the mask flips up, push it again and it flips down. Bet someone on the list could build one if they wanted to. Gerry --- When you're tacking sheetmetal together you do a little weld here, a little over there, a little in the middle, back over here, back over there, some farther along. Its nice to be able to reposition... But what I was really comparing it to was the crappy mask they give you that you have to hold with one hand while you try to work. A real mask is so much better. -Curt Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:35:32 -0800 From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Dec 28, 2007 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh and for you amatuer welders out there: a self darkening welding helmet makes ALL the difference in the world. Why's that? Just because it's faster than flipping up and down an ordinary mask to inspect your work? (Not trying to argue, just about to start welding myself and interested in getting off on the right foot... although, having seen some of my soldering handiwork, Jim may feel free to point out there's no right foot for me where fire and metal are involved.) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: 12/27/2007 1:34 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: 12/27/2007 1:34 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
Shopping.com lists several Lincoln welders (#140-180) in the $600-$800 range that will take the $170 spool gun: .. BRAND NEW LINCOLN MAGNUM SPOOL GUN (K2532-1) For use with new Power Mig 140 or 180. No additional requirements, ready to plug into welder and run http://www10.shopping.com/xGS-Lincoln_Mig_Welders~NS-1~linkin_id-8000718 ... If you were buying one of the welders on the above website, which one would you buy (assuming you didn't want to spend more than around $1000 for the welder/spool gun? Thanks, Gerry --- From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All the Old Timers that I know and have learned from have a bias towards Lincoln. They refuse to even try an auto-darkening helmet - but all agree it is a good thing for us youngsters. They also say that a single accidental flash without a mask in place can cause permanent damage. One guy has been using the same mask for over 50 years. Lincoln has a $200 spool gun. Make sure that is an option on whatever model you get. It allows you to mig weld aluminum. I got a Miller and regret it. The spool gun option costs more than I paid for the base unit. -Dave Walton On Dec 29, 2007 7:31 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lowes has (4?) sizes of MIG welders. The largest is 220v; the others 110v. How many max amps would you need for light shop work and an occasional trailer hitch? Is Hobart still a good brand? Gerry --- From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Anyone* can do a decent mig weld the same day they first try it. Tig actually requires some coordination. Start off with an old brake rotor and move your way down to a coffee can. Thinner materials are harder to weld. With a Mig welder and a plasma cutter, you can do about anything. -Dave Walton On Dec 29, 2007 10:07 AM, Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My biggest need for welding would be #1: welding fittings into 55 gallon drums and #2: constructing sheet metal tanks. I know nothing about welding (I have been an electrician building submarines for General Dynamics and do know how to inspect a weld but not perform any welding) what is the groups recommendation for a welding setup for me? Dave H... -- From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:54 AM To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day Itsa whole different process. MIG is supposed to be better for fast and dirty welding, especially when the materials you're joining aren't perfectly clean, my snowmobile exhaust for instance. TIG makes a cleaner prettier weld but its slower because its a separate torch and filler rod deal. Its also much better for aluminium. I'd surely love to have the money for a TIG setup, of course if I did have that money I'd probably be better off spending it on a better MIG... -Curt Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:46:14 -0500 From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original What's the advantage of a TIG welder over a MIG welder? The prices on TIG welders are quite a bit more than MIG welders. I've been told that it's easier to weld aluminum with a TIG, and that a TIG is better when welding different metals together. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
The extra power output of the 180 is a big plus. I'm often wishing I had more power. That lets you use a larger wire which means you finish sooner and use less gas (depending on the task at hand). More power penetrates deeper allowing you to get a good weld on thicker materials. I'll defer the choice between the T and C models to someone that has actually used them. -Dave Walton On Dec 30, 2007 7:21 AM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shopping.com lists several Lincoln welders (#140-180) in the $600-$800 range that will take the $170 spool gun: .. BRAND NEW LINCOLN MAGNUM SPOOL GUN (K2532-1) For use with new Power Mig 140 or 180. No additional requirements, ready to plug into welder and run http://www10.shopping.com/xGS-Lincoln_Mig_Welders~NS-1~linkin_id-8000718 ... If you were buying one of the welders on the above website, which one would you buy (assuming you didn't want to spend more than around $1000 for the welder/spool gun? Thanks, Gerry --- From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All the Old Timers that I know and have learned from have a bias towards Lincoln. They refuse to even try an auto-darkening helmet - but all agree it is a good thing for us youngsters. They also say that a single accidental flash without a mask in place can cause permanent damage. One guy has been using the same mask for over 50 years. Lincoln has a $200 spool gun. Make sure that is an option on whatever model you get. It allows you to mig weld aluminum. I got a Miller and regret it. The spool gun option costs more than I paid for the base unit. -Dave Walton On Dec 29, 2007 7:31 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lowes has (4?) sizes of MIG welders. The largest is 220v; the others 110v. How many max amps would you need for light shop work and an occasional trailer hitch? Is Hobart still a good brand? Gerry --- From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Anyone* can do a decent mig weld the same day they first try it. Tig actually requires some coordination. Start off with an old brake rotor and move your way down to a coffee can. Thinner materials are harder to weld. With a Mig welder and a plasma cutter, you can do about anything. -Dave Walton On Dec 29, 2007 10:07 AM, Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My biggest need for welding would be #1: welding fittings into 55 gallon drums and #2: constructing sheet metal tanks. I know nothing about welding (I have been an electrician building submarines for General Dynamics and do know how to inspect a weld but not perform any welding) what is the groups recommendation for a welding setup for me? Dave H... -- From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:54 AM To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day Itsa whole different process. MIG is supposed to be better for fast and dirty welding, especially when the materials you're joining aren't perfectly clean, my snowmobile exhaust for instance. TIG makes a cleaner prettier weld but its slower because its a separate torch and filler rod deal. Its also much better for aluminium. I'd surely love to have the money for a TIG setup, of course if I did have that money I'd probably be better off spending it on a better MIG... -Curt Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:46:14 -0500 From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original What's the advantage of a TIG welder over a MIG welder? The prices on TIG welders are quite a bit more than MIG welders. I've been told that it's easier to weld aluminum with a TIG, and that a TIG is better when welding different metals together. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Welding day
Several years ago, I bought a cheap Lincoln wire feed MiG with a kit to use gas cover. With it, I could do a serviceable weld in CLEAN sheet metal. I fixed the floors in my Met. Very ugly as welds were badly contaminated due to the floor having some type of rust preventative on it The big problem was that the duty cycle on the welder was about 20 seconds before it would go off on safety. I fooled to DMV inspector who wouldn't pass the very neat Pop Rivet job the P/O had done. I put the welder in a corner, anything I needed to weld for a few years I did at work with our TIG. 2 years ago I wanted to build a BBQ out of a 55 gal drum and a bunch of scrap angle iron. HInt: Old bed frames are very good raw stock! I trusted friend suggested that I loose the gas cover and use flux filled wire. His rationale: My machine couldn't melt .035 wire, it was too small capacity. .035 flux filled wire has much less metal to melt. I built my BBQ! Welds needed multiple passes and had to be chipped in between. They have good penetration and are functional. The BBQ has been used abused for several year, we've never lost a rack of ribs from poor welding! -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 19Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 286 KMI Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 87 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:41:34 -0500, you wrote: The extra power output of the 180 is a big plus. I'm often wishing I had more power. That lets you use a larger wire which means you finish sooner and use less gas (depending on the task at hand). More power penetrates deeper allowing you to get a good weld on thicker materials. I'll defer the choice between the T and C models to someone that has actually used them. -Dave Walton On Dec 30, 2007 7:21 AM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shopping.com lists several Lincoln welders (#140-180) in the $600-$800 range that will take the $170 spool gun: .. BRAND NEW LINCOLN MAGNUM SPOOL GUN (K2532-1) For use with new Power Mig 140 or 180. No additional requirements, ready to plug into welder and run http://www10.shopping.com/xGS-Lincoln_Mig_Welders~NS-1~linkin_id-8000718 ... If you were buying one of the welders on the above website, which one would you buy (assuming you didn't want to spend more than around $1000 for the welder/spool gun? Thanks, Gerry --- From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All the Old Timers that I know and have learned from have a bias towards Lincoln. They refuse to even try an auto-darkening helmet - but all agree it is a good thing for us youngsters. They also say that a single accidental flash without a mask in place can cause permanent damage. One guy has been using the same mask for over 50 years. Lincoln has a $200 spool gun. Make sure that is an option on whatever model you get. It allows you to mig weld aluminum. I got a Miller and regret it. The spool gun option costs more than I paid for the base unit. -Dave Walton On Dec 29, 2007 7:31 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lowes has (4?) sizes of MIG welders. The largest is 220v; the others 110v. How many max amps would you need for light shop work and an occasional trailer hitch? Is Hobart still a good brand? Gerry --- From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Anyone* can do a decent mig weld the same day they first try it. Tig actually requires some coordination. Start off with an old brake rotor and move your way down to a coffee can. Thinner materials are harder to weld. With a Mig welder and a plasma cutter, you can do about anything. -Dave Walton On Dec 29, 2007 10:07 AM, Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My biggest need for welding would be #1: welding fittings into 55 gallon drums and #2: constructing sheet metal tanks. I know nothing about welding (I have been an electrician building submarines for General Dynamics and do know how to inspect a weld but not perform any welding) what is the groups recommendation for a welding setup for me? Dave H... -- From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:54 AM To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day Itsa whole different process. MIG is supposed to be better for fast and dirty welding, especially when the materials you're joining aren't perfectly clean, my snowmobile exhaust for instance. TIG makes a cleaner prettier weld but its slower because its a separate torch and filler rod deal. Its also much better for aluminium. I'd surely love to have the money for
Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity
The last time I looked, the cheapest digital back for either an RB67 or M645 Super was in the $15,000 range. Dan (former Mamiya guy) --- archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will any film camera cheaper than a Hasselblad take a digital back? Mamiya perhaps? Gerry - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yup - it's hard to beat instant gratification, but it's also hard to beat the magic of watching the print appear before your eyes, not to mention the smell of fixer! If Anne has gone digital, I suspect it would be with a high end digi back on a 'blad. I miss my darkroom, but not enough to re-construct it! OK Don Still has full range from Minox to 8X10 (3 of them!) On Dec 29, 2007 7:37 PM, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I was reading an article on Annie Leibovitz and was wondering if she's gone digital.. I miss my darkroom too! But that digital is just sooo easy! Jeff Zedic Still has a 4x5 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thanks to Dr. Booth!...
80 AMP glow Plug relay ? Where is this monster? Dave H... -- From: Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 10:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Thanks to Dr. Booth!... I joined the list just in time to read you guys talking about the passing of this wonderful guy, a sage it seemed. I've gained admiration of him. SO... Change the fuses...? Here's what I discovered today (thx to Booth): I bought an '84 300D from a guy on Craigslist early summer. With my schedule I didn't have a chance to pick the car up until late September and just this past week have gotten a chance to fool with it. It's a nice clean lil 230K car. When I bought the car the guy, who has no exprience with MB, or diesel was apparently in a haste to part with it. I got it for a very cheap price (good faith on phone) and didn't see it until I actually picked it up. I did notice that the guy had bought sets of fog lamps and headlamps which were NIB in the trunk. Long story short, he apparently had tried to repair lights becoming frustrated that the fuses (which he finally located) checked out on the meter and the bulbs weren't burned out. It was the same with some other equipment. He decided to just sell the car at a loss and stick with his little late model gas Toyotas and Fords. Today with some time and a beautiful day I decided to tinker and heck, change the fuses (even though I too got continuity on the meter.) Guess what? In replacing all of the old fuses suddenly those items begin acting as intended. The right low beam and fog lights, the sunroof, etc.. Heck, I've got two spare yellow fogs and a new headlight spare for the price of a $0.20 fuse! Who would have thunk? So a believer now to change the fuse... especially that 80AMP GP relay before tearing into glow plugs. (Kinda like the uncle who tore the carb apart on his garden tractor before realising it was out of fuel.} Happy camper! Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Marshall Booth, email archive
what speed processor do they have? Redghost wrote: I have a couple of PIII boxes up on CL for $10 each. Right now they are stuck with w2kpro, but you can linux them. fully functional. Just not a mac clay On 29 Dec 2007, at 18:17, Wonko the Sane wrote: That is because I am running an idiot filter on my web and ftp servers. Stupid folks get 10% normal bandwidth. Thanks for testing it for me -- now I know it actually works. Actually, I was doing an apt-get upgrade on two computers about the time you were accessing the web site. Remember, this is hosted on a Pentium III sharing household-speed bandwidth with five other computers (two of which belong to a 20 year old daughter who is always online). On Dec 29, 2007 7:51 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: your server is very slow. Wonko the Sane wrote: Let me quickly to point out that Philip did all of the work. All I did was download a zip file, uncompress, and move to the public_html directory on my server. On Dec 29, 2007 6:29 PM, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. Ed 300E -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Mercedes Diesel Tools For Sale
James - do you still have that 617 589 08 21 00 position sensor for MB IP? Thanks Wayne ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity
Music is good. Some days nothing but Morrissey will do. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:15 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity everyone listens to the same kinda stuff -- that's why they are the usual suspects. i can't say i ever liked marilyn manson. he is so contrived, downright fake really. now kid rock, on the other hand, i can go for On Dec 29, 2007 9:09 PM, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, I'm amazed that we listen to the same stuff. I kinda had you pegged as more of a Marilyn Manson type... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Email Firewall made the following annotations NOTICE --- This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain confidential, privileged or proprietary information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original and any copy or printout. Unintended recipients are prohibited from making any other use of this e-mail. Although we have taken reasonable precautions to ensure no viruses are present in this e-mail, we accept no liability for any loss or damage arising from the use of this e-mail or attachments, or for any delay or errors or omissions in the contents which result from e-mail transmission. - ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thanks to Dr. Booth!...
Evidence of Marshall living still yet among us. Sweet. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy Robinson Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 8:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Thanks to Dr. Booth!... I joined the list just in time to read you guys talking about the passing of this wonderful guy, a sage it seemed. I've gained admiration of him. SO... Change the fuses...? Here's what I discovered today (thx to Booth): I bought an '84 300D from a guy on Craigslist early summer. With my schedule I didn't have a chance to pick the car up until late September and just this past week have gotten a chance to fool with it. It's a nice clean lil 230K car. When I bought the car the guy, who has no exprience with MB, or diesel was apparently in a haste to part with it. I got it for a very cheap price (good faith on phone) and didn't see it until I actually picked it up. I did notice that the guy had bought sets of fog lamps and headlamps which were NIB in the trunk. Long story short, he apparently had tried to repair lights becoming frustrated that the fuses (which he finally located) checked out on the meter and the bulbs weren't burned out. It was the same with some other equipment. He decided to just sell the car at a loss and stick with his little late model gas Toyotas and Fords. Today with some time and a beautiful day I decided to tinker and heck, change the fuses (even though I too got continuity on the meter.) Guess what? In replacing all of the old fuses suddenly those items begin acting as intended. The right low beam and fog lights, the sunroof, etc.. Heck, I've got two spare yellow fogs and a new headlight spare for the price of a $0.20 fuse! Who would have thunk? So a believer now to change the fuse... especially that 80AMP GP relay before tearing into glow plugs. (Kinda like the uncle who tore the carb apart on his garden tractor before realising it was out of fuel.} Happy camper! Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Email Firewall made the following annotations NOTICE --- This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain confidential, privileged or proprietary information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original and any copy or printout. Unintended recipients are prohibited from making any other use of this e-mail. Although we have taken reasonable precautions to ensure no viruses are present in this e-mail, we accept no liability for any loss or damage arising from the use of this e-mail or attachments, or for any delay or errors or omissions in the contents which result from e-mail transmission. - ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tonight's nfl game
Shula and hiz boyz have their bub on ice waiting for Eli to do what his brother had a hard time doing. Like that'll ever happen. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 8:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] tonight's nfl game and the play clock goes down to zero and the referee starts waving his hankie at tom brady who goes huh? , and 10 seconds later figures it out and calls time out. are they going to take this down the road of the ravens game and start giving brady do overs? On Dec 29, 2007 10:18 PM, Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yup Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:49 PM Subject: [MBZ] tonight's nfl game jints are bringing their absolute A-game. refs continue to try to fix the game for pats. worth watching. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Email Firewall made the following annotations NOTICE --- This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain confidential, privileged or proprietary information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original and any copy or printout. Unintended recipients are prohibited from making any other use of this e-mail. Although we have taken reasonable precautions to ensure no viruses are present in this e-mail, we accept no liability for any loss or damage arising from the use of this e-mail or attachments, or for any delay or errors or omissions in the contents which result from e-mail transmission. - ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Climate Control 1980 300D
Douglas. I'm attaching 83-122 (from my 83 300SD ACC manual which has a similar setup). It may be educational. Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jgiels Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 18:46 To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: [MBZ] Climate Control 1980 300D I did a research on air jet nozzle and one of the articles said there is a service repair in the manual. 83-122/1. Does any one have access to the manual and maybe can send it to me? Please. I am not going to give up on this. I have done so much, and am so close! Thanks.. Douglas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 83-122.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 230509 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20071230/f8ee4606/attachment.pdf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bose
Jim you just hit the key word right on the head.Marketing Jeff Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity
On 29/12/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Music is good. Some days nothing but Morrissey will do. Bob R. Good old cheerful Morrissey! (I wear black on the outside cause black is how I feel on the inside) If a ten ton truck, crashes into us, to die by your sidelol Have you ever seen his films? I almost bought a Mamiya C330 in London the other week in Portobello road market. It was a good price 145 quid. I used to have a C220 with a couple of lenses but traded it in for my second Hasselblad. Then bought a Pentax 6X7. Had three lenses and six backs for the Blad. Tried the 500 ELM for a bit but didn't like it. Really enjoyed my 4x5 and the Deardorff 8x10 I played with for a while too. Had an even BIGGER camera. It was an Ansco (?) stat camera and shot 20X24(?) negatives!! YES, that is in inches! MASSIVE! It was 54 inches long at full bellows extension. My darkroom had a Beseler 23CII XL with a cold light head, incandescent head and two lenses. Six element Rodenstock and six element Schneider or Nikkor. Good old daystouring the middle east with my blad...shooting 100 rolls of 120 and then spending weeks in isolation...hehehe I agree that the ultimate has to be an 8x10 contact on good double weight fibre-based paper. SWEET! Is that fixer I smell? Jeff Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] no talent required, apparently
So the talents of the artists and the compositions were irrelevant, he thought? Crosby, Sinatra, Fitzgerald and all the rest just showed up for the money, then. RLE No, but the mastering is another piece of the puzzle. I've found that a lot of Sinatra's stuff is not as well recorded as Tony Bennett's although Tony likes a lot of reverb on his vocals and Frank's are usually almost dry. (no effects) Ella always had her Norman (Granz) to make things just so. Bing Crosby was very well recorded in the 40 onwards. He was a pioneer in the multitrack recording method as well as tape recording. Later he put the money up for Ampex to produce the first videotape! I recently bought a couple of old albums by Binger and they were phenomenally well recorded! I was impressed. OTOH, the first Zeppelin album has so much distortion in John Paul Jones' bass that it drives me mad. Levels were just way too high. Jeff Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OTL Rollaway doors
It looks lie the interior panels are just a piece of carpeting now...?? Jeff Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
Not mine - and mine is not a very expensive helmet. It darkens instantly - I never see a flash.-- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day I've heard that the self-darkening shields do allow a momentary flash when you first strike the arc, extended use can lead to a dry eye feeling due to the repeated, but short, UV exposure. Allan On Dec 28, 2007, at 6:45 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: Oh and for you amatuer welders out there: a self darkening welding helmet makes ALL the difference in the world. Why's that? Just because it's faster than flipping up and down an ordinary mask to inspect your work? Because you can strike the arc while watching, instead of taking a hand away from what you are doing, dropping the helmet, and then trying to work blind until you light the arc in the wrong place and can see where the arc went. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1201 - Release Date: 12/28/2007 11:51 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL
Nah, you sold it to me too cheap. Thanks :) Luther On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 08:19:26 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will give you a refund. Luther - laptop wrote: You should really fix this damn pre-chamber problem on my SDL that YOU sold me. Butthead. Luther On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:40:44 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is why I do not like to sell cars to people I know, unless they know how to work on their own Mercedes. I have friends or acquaintances always wanting to know if I have a Mercedes I can sell them. I always say no because when something goes wrong they will be wanting me to fix it. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (170 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ONDE PASSARÁS A ETERNIDADE?
Just received this from Mercedes Discussion List. Did someone get into the
MB server?
Gerry
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- Original Message -
From: david del cielo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:57 PM
Subject: [MBZ] ONDE PASSARÁS A ETERNIDADE?
*ONDE PASSARÁS A ETERNIDADE?*
Se
morressesjavascript:ol('http://www.wordtheque.com/owa-wt/wordtheque_dba.w.t?w%3dmorresses%26amp;l%3dpt');agora
mesmo, onde passarias a eternidade? Sem dúvida esta é a pergunta mais
importante de sua vida, já que de sua resposta dependerá seu futuro eterno.
Há só dois lugares onde os seres humanos podem habitar para sempre: Um é o
céu, e o outro é o inferno (Apocalipse 20:15).
E um só caminho para ir ao céu: Jesus. Ele disse: Eu sou o caminho, e a
verdade, e a vida; ninguém vem ao Pai, senão por mim (João 14: 6).
Se ele não está mentindo, e é quem diz ser, elege-lo hoje incondicionalmente
como seu Salvador pessoal será a melhor decisão de tua vida. Recusar-lo é
eleger o pior para sempre.
Posto que nascemos contagiados pelo pecado original, cometido por nossos
primeiros pais no Jardim do Éden, estamos
destituídojavascript:ol('http://www.wordtheque.com/owa-wt/wordtheque_dba.w.t?w%3ddestitu%eddo%26amp;l%3dpt');s
da Glória de Deus no céu, e condenado ao castigo eterno no inferno
(Apocalipse 21:8).
A Bíblia em Romanos 3:23 diz: Porque todos pecaram e destituídos estão da
glória de Deus. Não obstante, vemos que ele nos ama e ele nos quer na sua
glória. Porque Deus amou o mundo de tal maneira que deu o seu Filho
unigênito, para que todo aquele que nele crê não pereça, mas tenha a vida
eterna (João. 3: 16).
Graças a seu amoroso plano de salvação, centenas de milhares de pessoas já
estão salvas - libertas do inferno - e certamente residirão no reino dos
céus para sempre, só porque tomaram a palavra de Deus (Apocalipse 7: 9).
Agora toma sua palavra também, e proclamate estar salvo, e herdeiro do Reino
por fé; porque Ele disse que assim seria. É Deus, e ele não mente (Numera
23: 19).
Ore: *Senhor Jesus, eu creio que derramaste teu precioso sangue, morrete
por meus pecados, e ressucitaste para minha justificação *(Romanos. 4: 23)*.
*
*Perdoa-me, entra en meu coração, e da-me vida eterna contigo em teu Reino
Celestial. Senhor meu e Deus meu, te dou graças por amar-me e salvar-me. *
*Leia a bíblia para ser sábio, creia para ser salvo e praticar para ser
santo.
Assiste a uma igreja cristã, cuja autoridade seja a bíblia e Jesus Cristo
seja pregado.
*
*A BÍBLIA INTERATIVA, JOÃO FERREIRA DE ALMEIDA *
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*WHERE WILL YOU SPEND ETERNITY? *
If you die right now, where would you spend eternity? No doubt, this is the
most important question of your life, since your eternal future will depend
on its answer.
There are only two places where mankind can live forever: one is heaven, and
the other is hell (Revelation 20: 15).
And only one way to go to heaven: Jesus. He said: *I am the way and the
truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me (John 14:
6). *
If he is not lying, and he is who he says he is, choosing him today as your
unconditional Saviour will be the best decision of your life. Not to choose
will be the worst forever (John 3: 36).
Since we were all born contaminated by the original sin, committed by our
first fathers in Eden, we are all destitute from the glory of God (in
heaven), and condemned to eternal punishment (in hell) (Revelation 21:
8). The Bible in Romans 3: 23 says: *For all have sinned, and fall short of
the glory of God. *
However, we see that he loves us, and he wants us in his glory. *For* *God
(Father) so loved the world (you), that he gave us his one and only Son
(Jesus, God the Son) that whoever (you) believes in him, shall not perish
(in hell), but have eternal life (in heaven) (John 3: 16). *
Thanks to his loveling plan of salvation, hundreds of millions of people are
already saved (free from hell), and they will certainly live in the kingdom
of heaven forever, only because they believed the word of God (Revelation
7: 9).
Now you believe it as well, and proclaim yourself saved and inheriter of his
Re: [MBZ] ONDE PASSARÁS A ETERNIDADE?
no
archer wrote:
Just received this from Mercedes Discussion List. Did someone get into the
MB server?
Gerry
---
- Original Message -
From: david del cielo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:57 PM
Subject: [MBZ] ONDE PASSARÁS A ETERNIDADE?
*ONDE PASSARÁS A ETERNIDADE?*
Se
morressesjavascript:ol('http://www.wordtheque.com/owa-wt/wordtheque_dba.w.t?w%3dmorresses%26amp;l%3dpt');agora
mesmo, onde passarias a eternidade? Sem dúvida esta é a pergunta mais
importante de sua vida, já que de sua resposta dependerá seu futuro eterno.
Há só dois lugares onde os seres humanos podem habitar para sempre: Um é o
céu, e o outro é o inferno (Apocalipse 20:15).
E um só caminho para ir ao céu: Jesus. Ele disse: Eu sou o caminho, e a
verdade, e a vida; ninguém vem ao Pai, senão por mim (João 14: 6).
Se ele não está mentindo, e é quem diz ser, elege-lo hoje incondicionalmente
como seu Salvador pessoal será a melhor decisão de tua vida. Recusar-lo é
eleger o pior para sempre.
Posto que nascemos contagiados pelo pecado original, cometido por nossos
primeiros pais no Jardim do Éden, estamos
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da Glória de Deus no céu, e condenado ao castigo eterno no inferno
(Apocalipse 21:8).
A Bíblia em Romanos 3:23 diz: Porque todos pecaram e destituídos estão da
glória de Deus. Não obstante, vemos que ele nos ama e ele nos quer na sua
glória. Porque Deus amou o mundo de tal maneira que deu o seu Filho
unigênito, para que todo aquele que nele crê não pereça, mas tenha a vida
eterna (João. 3: 16).
Graças a seu amoroso plano de salvação, centenas de milhares de pessoas já
estão salvas - libertas do inferno - e certamente residirão no reino dos
céus para sempre, só porque tomaram a palavra de Deus (Apocalipse 7: 9).
Agora toma sua palavra também, e proclamate estar salvo, e herdeiro do Reino
por fé; porque Ele disse que assim seria. É Deus, e ele não mente (Numera
23: 19).
Ore: *Senhor Jesus, eu creio que derramaste teu precioso sangue, morrete
por meus pecados, e ressucitaste para minha justificação *(Romanos. 4: 23)*.
*
*Perdoa-me, entra en meu coração, e da-me vida eterna contigo em teu Reino
Celestial. Senhor meu e Deus meu, te dou graças por amar-me e salvar-me. *
*Leia a bíblia para ser sábio, creia para ser salvo e praticar para ser
santo.
Assiste a uma igreja cristã, cuja autoridade seja a bíblia e Jesus Cristo
seja pregado.
*
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*WHERE WILL YOU SPEND ETERNITY? *
If you die right now, where would you spend eternity? No doubt, this is the
most important question of your life, since your eternal future will depend
on its answer.
There are only two places where mankind can live forever: one is heaven, and
the other is hell (Revelation 20: 15).
And only one way to go to heaven: Jesus. He said: *I am the way and the
truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me (John 14:
6). *
If he is not lying, and he is who he says he is, choosing him today as your
unconditional Saviour will be the best decision of your life. Not to choose
will be the worst forever (John 3: 36).
Since we were all born contaminated by the original sin, committed by our
first fathers in Eden, we are all destitute from the glory of God (in
heaven), and condemned to eternal punishment (in hell) (Revelation 21:
8). The Bible in Romans 3: 23 says: *For all have sinned, and fall short of
the glory of God. *
However, we see that he loves us, and he wants us in his glory. *For* *God
(Father) so loved the world (you), that he gave us his one and only Son
(Jesus, God the Son) that whoever (you) believes in him, shall not perish
(in hell), but have eternal life (in heaven) (John 3: 16). *
Thanks to his loveling plan of salvation, hundreds of millions of people are
already saved (free from hell), and they will certainly live in the
Re: [MBZ] Thanks to Dr. Booth!...
80 AMP glow Plug relay ? Where is this monster? Depends on the car. GP relay (incl. fuse) are on the fender in the later ones, relay's under the dash in the earliest key-starters. For those (and the knob-pull jobs) the fuse is on the firewall. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity
Will any film camera cheaper than a Hasselblad take a digital back? If you call the entire body a 'back' (as in back of the lens) then Canon and Nikon both have them! I have lust in my heart for a Canon EOS-1DS Mark II. That will preserve my $10k in glass, as much as can be done anyway. I also have a Mamiya TLR and a few lenses that I've used. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Biodiesel PIMPED
I could certainly do without the trunk garbage but check out this 65 impala http://www.mtv.com/overdrive/?id=1557903vid=145456 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thanks to Dr. Booth!...
On a 84 300DT? -- From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 11:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thanks to Dr. Booth!... 80 AMP glow Plug relay ? Where is this monster? Depends on the car. GP relay (incl. fuse) are on the fender in the later ones, relay's under the dash in the earliest key-starters. For those (and the knob-pull jobs) the fuse is on the firewall. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ONDE PASSARÁS A ETERNIDADE?
I clicked reply and then send and it got back to the list. Weird.
Gerry
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no
archer wrote:
Just received this from Mercedes Discussion List. Did someone get into
the
MB server?
Gerry
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Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:57 PM
Subject: [MBZ] ONDE PASSARÁS A ETERNIDADE?
*ONDE PASSARÁS A ETERNIDADE?*
Se
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mesmo, onde passarias a eternidade? Sem dúvida esta é a pergunta mais
importante de sua vida, já que de sua resposta dependerá seu futuro
eterno.
Há só dois lugares onde os seres humanos podem habitar para sempre: Um é o
céu, e o outro é o inferno (Apocalipse 20:15).
E um só caminho para ir ao céu: Jesus. Ele disse: Eu sou o caminho, e a
verdade, e a vida; ninguém vem ao Pai, senão por mim (João 14: 6).
Se ele não está mentindo, e é quem diz ser, elege-lo hoje
incondicionalmente
como seu Salvador pessoal será a melhor decisão de tua vida. Recusar-lo é
eleger o pior para sempre.
Posto que nascemos contagiados pelo pecado original, cometido por nossos
primeiros pais no Jardim do Éden, estamos
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da Glória de Deus no céu, e condenado ao castigo eterno no inferno
(Apocalipse 21:8).
A Bíblia em Romanos 3:23 diz: Porque todos pecaram e destituídos estão da
glória de Deus. Não obstante, vemos que ele nos ama e ele nos quer na sua
glória. Porque Deus amou o mundo de tal maneira que deu o seu Filho
unigênito, para que todo aquele que nele crê não pereça, mas tenha a vida
eterna (João. 3: 16).
Graças a seu amoroso plano de salvação, centenas de milhares de pessoas já
estão salvas - libertas do inferno - e certamente residirão no reino dos
céus para sempre, só porque tomaram a palavra de Deus (Apocalipse 7: 9).
Agora toma sua palavra também, e proclamate estar salvo, e herdeiro do
Reino
por fé; porque Ele disse que assim seria. É Deus, e ele não mente (Numera
23: 19).
Ore: *Senhor Jesus, eu creio que derramaste teu precioso sangue, morrete
por meus pecados, e ressucitaste para minha justificação *(Romanos. 4:
23)*.
*
*Perdoa-me, entra en meu coração, e da-me vida eterna contigo em teu Reino
Celestial. Senhor meu e Deus meu, te dou graças por amar-me e salvar-me.
*
*Leia a bíblia para ser sábio, creia para ser salvo e praticar para ser
santo.
Assiste a uma igreja cristã, cuja autoridade seja a bíblia e Jesus Cristo
seja pregado.
*
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**
*WHERE WILL YOU SPEND ETERNITY? *
If you die right now, where would you spend eternity? No doubt, this is
the
most important question of your life, since your eternal future will
depend
on its answer.
There are only two places where mankind can live forever: one is heaven,
and
the other is hell (Revelation 20: 15).
And only one way to go to heaven: Jesus. He said: *I am the way and the
truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me (John
14:
6). *
If he is not lying, and he is who he says he is, choosing him today as
your
unconditional Saviour will be the best decision of your life. Not to
choose
will be the worst forever (John 3: 36).
Since we were all born contaminated by the original sin, committed by our
first fathers in Eden, we are all destitute from the glory of God (in
heaven), and condemned to eternal punishment (in hell) (Revelation 21:
8). The Bible in Romans 3: 23 says: *For all have sinned, and fall short
of
the glory of God. *
However, we see that he loves us, and he wants us in his glory. *For*
*God
(Father) so loved the world (you), that he gave us his one and only Son
(Jesus, God the Son) that whoever (you) believes in him, shall not perish
(in hell), but
Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity
Ah, yes - yours was bigger than mine (only 20x20). I still use the 19 process lens for sharp portraits on the 8x10 Linhof. I have a 16 Ilex portrait f 3.5 (HUGE) lens for the softer ones. I traded a C220 with lens for my first hard drive - an ST225. The Omega 4x5 enlarger is in the attic, but the color head and the Focomat IIc are under dust covers, in what was once the studio. I almost bought a Mamiya C330 in London the other week in Portobello road market. It was a good price 145 quid. I used to have a C220 with a couple of lenses but traded it in for my second Hasselblad. Then bought a Pentax 6X7. Had three lenses and six backs for the Blad. Tried the 500 ELM for a bit but didn't like it. Really enjoyed my 4x5 and the Deardorff 8x10 I played with for a while too. Had an even BIGGER camera. It was an Ansco (?) stat camera and shot 20X24(?) negatives!! YES, that is in inches! MASSIVE! It was 54 inches long at full bellows extension. My darkroom had a Beseler 23CII XL with a cold light head, incandescent head and two lenses. Six element Rodenstock and six element Schneider or Nikkor. Good old daystouring the middle east with my blad...shooting 100 rolls of 120 and then spending weeks in isolation...hehehe I agree that the ultimate has to be an 8x10 contact on good double weight fibre-based paper. SWEET! Is that fixer I smell? Jeff Zedic -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity
But, you're still talking the miniature film format! Will old F series film camera lenses work on the digi Canons? I will wait for reasonably priced full format sensors in Nikon and/or M Leica bodies so I can use all my old glass. If you call the entire body a 'back' (as in back of the lens) then Canon and Nikon both have them! I have lust in my heart for a Canon EOS-1DS Mark II. That will preserve my $10k in glass, as much as can be done anyway. I also have a Mamiya TLR and a few lenses that I've used. -- Jim -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity
Don is correct - there is no comparison between even the highest resolution digital camera and 6X6 medium format film. Digital has not even come close to the information density of 35mm ASA 100 film! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 11:27 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity But, you're still talking the miniature film format! Will old F series film camera lenses work on the digi Canons? I will wait for reasonably priced full format sensors in Nikon and/or M Leica bodies so I can use all my old glass. If you call the entire body a 'back' (as in back of the lens) then Canon and Nikon both have them! I have lust in my heart for a Canon EOS-1DS Mark II. That will preserve my $10k in glass, as much as can be done anyway. I also have a Mamiya TLR and a few lenses that I've used. -- Jim -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: 12/30/2007 11:27 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Brain picking: Moving switches off lower part of 123 console
Hello folks I'm about to replace my fourway flasher switch in order to pass state inspection. That's if cleaning attempts fail. It's had too many cups of coffee and water and who knows what else spilled on it. Works when it wants to - maybe works OK a dozen times in a row and then doesn't work for the next dozen times. Does disable the turn signal switch when it doesn't work. It costs $26 for a Hella switch locally, so that's not too bad. Still not good. I keep looking at the five blank locations up high on the console and thinking why not put it there instead of down low where everything that gets spilled runs into it? Why not put the speaker balance switch there too? . Has anyone else thought of this or tried it? Is ther something I can learn from you instead of learning everything the hard way? Thanks. Robert ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity
Talking about BIG stuff, years ago I used to work in a studio that did enLARGEments. I'm talking billboard sized photographs. (well, almost). The biggest photo I ever developed was 8x32 feet. It was for MB Canada oddly enough and was a photo of the W196(?)'s crossing the line at LeMans 1,2,3 in the mid 50's. My darkroom was approx. 60 feet long. Long enough that I could have paper on the wall ready to expose and someone could walk in the door, not a darkroom door, and the paper wouldn't fog! Had a horizontal enlarger, on rails, that was made from an 8x10 body and would focus but pulling a string when the enlarger was 20 or so feet away. Always used 8x10 copy negs and process lenses so sharpness was never an issue. Great fun but no money in it for me, sadly. Also, used to do fine art prints for local photogs exhibitions. I did one for a photog named Larry Towell who I know see is a member of the Magnum agency. THE most prestigious agency in the world. Pleased about that! hehe We also had a Durst Laborator 8x10 vertical enlargerbig bugger that was, and a Elwood (?) 5x7 vertical but it never got used much. The biggest challenge was trying to roll an eight foot long roll of 54 wide single weight fibre-based paper through the developing process without creasing it or leaving half-moon fingernail marks on it...imagine trying to roll wet paper towel that size without tearing..many hours of frustration there. We also made our own developer, stop and fixer from scratch. Bill, my boss, had formulated his own mix back in the 30's and used it ever since. He was awesome; 70 years experience in the darkroom! He used to get mad because I'd want to do exposure test strips for prints but he could just eyeball the neg and print. Got it right first time, too! Jeff Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity
On 30/12/2007, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don is correct - there is no comparison between even the highest resolution digital camera and 6X6 medium format film. Digital has not even come close to the information density of 35mm ASA 100 film! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 And that's without even talking about the lens quality of the majority of digital cameras! Jeff Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity
I just looked at a Mamiya C330 on the net I prefer SLR. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Zedic Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 10:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity On 29/12/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Music is good. Some days nothing but Morrissey will do. Bob R. Good old cheerful Morrissey! (I wear black on the outside cause black is how I feel on the inside) If a ten ton truck, crashes into us, to die by your sidelol Have you ever seen his films? I almost bought a Mamiya C330 in London the other week in Portobello road market. It was a good price 145 quid. I used to have a C220 with a couple of lenses but traded it in for my second Hasselblad. Then bought a Pentax 6X7. Had three lenses and six backs for the Blad. Tried the 500 ELM for a bit but didn't like it. Really enjoyed my 4x5 and the Deardorff 8x10 I played with for a while too. Had an even BIGGER camera. It was an Ansco (?) stat camera and shot 20X24(?) negatives!! YES, that is in inches! MASSIVE! It was 54 inches long at full bellows extension. My darkroom had a Beseler 23CII XL with a cold light head, incandescent head and two lenses. Six element Rodenstock and six element Schneider or Nikkor. Good old daystouring the middle east with my blad...shooting 100 rolls of 120 and then spending weeks in isolation...hehehe I agree that the ultimate has to be an 8x10 contact on good double weight fibre-based paper. SWEET! Is that fixer I smell? Jeff Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: 12/30/2007 11:27 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity
Yep, glass is everything. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Zedic Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 11:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity On 30/12/2007, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don is correct - there is no comparison between even the highest resolution digital camera and 6X6 medium format film. Digital has not even come close to the information density of 35mm ASA 100 film! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 And that's without even talking about the lens quality of the majority of digital cameras! Jeff Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: 12/30/2007 11:27 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity
Are 4 x 5 Graflexes still around? I think they go back to the flash powder days. The newspaper used an Omega D2 enlarger, a Linhof view (don't remember the film size), 4 x 5 Speed Graphics, Leicas, and Rollieflexes during the late 1940s when I worked there as a teenager. Luckily the editor told me I should find some other line of work since I was one of the worst photographers he'd ever seen. He was right but it was still fun; darkroom/enlarger work especially. We went out on the downtown streets and asked people the question of the day and took their picture for the daily column. I've often wondered why newspapers quit doing that. The editor said it was good for circulation since it got ordinary people personally involved. Gerry From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ah, yes - yours was bigger than mine (only 20x20). I still use the 19 process lens for sharp portraits on the 8x10 Linhof. I have a 16 Ilex portrait f 3.5 (HUGE) lens for the softer ones. I traded a C220 with lens for my first hard drive - an ST225. The Omega 4x5 enlarger is in the attic, but the color head and the Focomat IIc are under dust covers, in what was once the studio. I almost bought a Mamiya C330 in London the other week in Portobello road market. It was a good price 145 quid. I used to have a C220 with a couple of lenses but traded it in for my second Hasselblad. Then bought a Pentax 6X7. Had three lenses and six backs for the Blad. Tried the 500 ELM for a bit but didn't like it. Really enjoyed my 4x5 and the Deardorff 8x10 I played with for a while too. Had an even BIGGER camera. It was an Ansco (?) stat camera and shot 20X24(?) negatives!! YES, that is in inches! MASSIVE! It was 54 inches long at full bellows extension. My darkroom had a Beseler 23CII XL with a cold light head, incandescent head and two lenses. Six element Rodenstock and six element Schneider or Nikkor. Good old daystouring the middle east with my blad...shooting 100 rolls of 120 and then spending weeks in isolation...hehehe I agree that the ultimate has to be an 8x10 contact on good double weight fibre-based paper. SWEET! Is that fixer I smell? Jeff Zedic OK Don, KD5NRO ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bose
It seems than at Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:50:57 -0500, Timothy wrote: Uh.. anyone need a top of the line BETA video recorder/player? Yes! What model, how much and how do I get it? -- Philip, ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thanks to Dr. Booth!...
It seems than at Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:53:47 -0500, Dave wrote: 80 AMP glow Plug relay ? Where is this monster? On a 84 300DT? On the front side of the inner fender on the drivers side. Kinda straight back from the headlight. It is about 2 inches (50 mm) wide by 6 inches (150 mm) long. The top is a cover. Lift it off and the fuse is at the top, or rear, end. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity
everything is still around, just not new. graflex as a company is long gone. i have a book of pictures shot in the mid to late 80s that was shot with a speed graphic. that's the latest i've seen it used professionally. On Dec 30, 2007 12:53 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are 4 x 5 Graflexes still around? I think they go back to the flash powder days. The newspaper used an Omega D2 enlarger, a Linhof view (don't remember the film size), 4 x 5 Speed Graphics, Leicas, and Rollieflexes during the late 1940s when I worked there as a teenager. Luckily the editor told me I should find some other line of work since I was one of the worst photographers he'd ever seen. He was right but it was still fun; darkroom/enlarger work especially. We went out on the downtown streets and asked people the question of the day and took their picture for the daily column. I've often wondered why newspapers quit doing that. The editor said it was good for circulation since it got ordinary people personally involved. Gerry From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ah, yes - yours was bigger than mine (only 20x20). I still use the 19 process lens for sharp portraits on the 8x10 Linhof. I have a 16 Ilex portrait f 3.5 (HUGE) lens for the softer ones. I traded a C220 with lens for my first hard drive - an ST225. The Omega 4x5 enlarger is in the attic, but the color head and the Focomat IIc are under dust covers, in what was once the studio. I almost bought a Mamiya C330 in London the other week in Portobello road market. It was a good price 145 quid. I used to have a C220 with a couple of lenses but traded it in for my second Hasselblad. Then bought a Pentax 6X7. Had three lenses and six backs for the Blad. Tried the 500 ELM for a bit but didn't like it. Really enjoyed my 4x5 and the Deardorff 8x10 I played with for a while too. Had an even BIGGER camera. It was an Ansco (?) stat camera and shot 20X24(?) negatives!! YES, that is in inches! MASSIVE! It was 54 inches long at full bellows extension. My darkroom had a Beseler 23CII XL with a cold light head, incandescent head and two lenses. Six element Rodenstock and six element Schneider or Nikkor. Good old daystouring the middle east with my blad...shooting 100 rolls of 120 and then spending weeks in isolation...hehehe I agree that the ultimate has to be an 8x10 contact on good double weight fibre-based paper. SWEET! Is that fixer I smell? Jeff Zedic OK Don, KD5NRO ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity
OK Don wrote: I traded a C220 with lens for my first hard drive - an ST225. I've got a 225 or two if you want to trade another Mamiya for it. Also have the 40mb, I think it's a ST251. I believe my Dad still has a Winchester disk pack laying around, the platters are almost as big as LPs. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity...Moz
Jeff I didn't know he had films. The teenagers who love you will wake up, yawn, and kill you I feel so much more chipper. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Zedic Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 9:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity On 29/12/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Music is good. Some days nothing but Morrissey will do. Bob R. Good old cheerful Morrissey! (I wear black on the outside cause black is how I feel on the inside) If a ten ton truck, crashes into us, to die by your sidelol Have you ever seen his films? I almost bought a Mamiya C330 in London the other week in Portobello road market. It was a good price 145 quid. I used to have a C220 with a couple of lenses but traded it in for my second Hasselblad. Then bought a Pentax 6X7. Had three lenses and six backs for the Blad. Tried the 500 ELM for a bit but didn't like it. Really enjoyed my 4x5 and the Deardorff 8x10 I played with for a while too. Had an even BIGGER camera. It was an Ansco (?) stat camera and shot 20X24(?) negatives!! YES, that is in inches! MASSIVE! It was 54 inches long at full bellows extension. My darkroom had a Beseler 23CII XL with a cold light head, incandescent head and two lenses. Six element Rodenstock and six element Schneider or Nikkor. Good old daystouring the middle east with my blad...shooting 100 rolls of 120 and then spending weeks in isolation...hehehe I agree that the ultimate has to be an 8x10 contact on good double weight fibre-based paper. SWEET! Is that fixer I smell? Jeff Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity
I just looked at a Mamiya C330 on the net I prefer SLR. The TLR is particularly useful for IR film and and 87 (black) filter. The C330 was a much more affordable way to try out 6x6 than anything SLR-ish would have been. I used it at a couple of family weddings, and took some portraits of my parents. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Brain picking: Moving switches off lower part of 123 console
I'm about to replace my fourway flasher switch in order to pass state inspection. That's if cleaning attempts fail. Take it apart and clean it with a Dremel wire brush. Re-grease it and reassemble, and it will be good as new. BTDT. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity
The largest print we made was 4X8 feet - we turned one of the enlargers horizontally, projected the 35mm neg onto the RC paper tacked to the cork board wall opposite, and exposed for 30 minutes. Development was hand see-sawing it through trays made from wall paper trays hot glued together to make them long enough. We only made a half dozen or so prints that way - too manual. They were exhibited at the State Fair that year. Sounds like you got to work with a real darkroom artist. They are a rare breed now! We brewed up developers for Tech Pan 35mm film (back when it had a special order number and only came in 100 rolls), and played with mixing pyro paper developer form formula, but that's about it. On Dec 30, 2007 11:45 AM, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Talking about BIG stuff, years ago I used to work in a studio that did enLARGEments. I'm talking billboard sized photographs. (well, almost). The biggest photo I ever developed was 8x32 feet. It was for MB Canada oddly enough and was a photo of the W196(?)'s crossing the line at LeMans 1,2,3 in the mid 50's. My darkroom was approx. 60 feet long. Long enough that I could have paper on the wall ready to expose and someone could walk in the door, not a darkroom door, and the paper wouldn't fog! Had a horizontal enlarger, on rails, that was made from an 8x10 body and would focus but pulling a string when the enlarger was 20 or so feet away. Always used 8x10 copy negs and process lenses so sharpness was never an issue. Great fun but no money in it for me, sadly. Also, used to do fine art prints for local photogs exhibitions. I did one for a photog named Larry Towell who I know see is a member of the Magnum agency. THE most prestigious agency in the world. Pleased about that! hehe We also had a Durst Laborator 8x10 vertical enlargerbig bugger that was, and a Elwood (?) 5x7 vertical but it never got used much. The biggest challenge was trying to roll an eight foot long roll of 54 wide single weight fibre-based paper through the developing process without creasing it or leaving half-moon fingernail marks on it...imagine trying to roll wet paper towel that size without tearing..many hours of frustration there. We also made our own developer, stop and fixer from scratch. Bill, my boss, had formulated his own mix back in the 30's and used it ever since. He was awesome; 70 years experience in the darkroom! He used to get mad because I'd want to do exposure test strips for prints but he could just eyeball the neg and print. Got it right first time, too! Jeff Zedic -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Photography, was - The death of high fidelity
I'm impressed with the Leitz lens on my Panasonic FZ30 - as a snap shot camera. I only wish the wide angle end was wider. It's a good camera for a play toy, and will have to do until something serious comes out that both impresses me, and I can afford. I need to find a digital body to use on my slide copier - with the Zeiss 74 S-Planar, optimized for 1:1. I hate scanning negs/slides. On Dec 30, 2007 11:47 AM, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30/12/2007, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don is correct - there is no comparison between even the highest resolution digital camera and 6X6 medium format film. Digital has not even come close to the information density of 35mm ASA 100 film! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 And that's without even talking about the lens quality of the majority of digital cameras! Jeff Zedic -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Marshall Booth, email archive
Mostly 550, but one or two 700mhz Was thinking I would cobble together a HTPC set up, but the Apple TV is a better idea. These all came out of a server rack system. I got the CPU, some other dude paid twice what I did for the racks. clay On 30 Dec 2007, at 07:16, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: what speed processor do they have? Redghost wrote: I have a couple of PIII boxes up on CL for $10 each. Right now they are stuck with w2kpro, but you can linux them. fully functional. Just not a mac clay On 29 Dec 2007, at 18:17, Wonko the Sane wrote: That is because I am running an idiot filter on my web and ftp servers. Stupid folks get 10% normal bandwidth. Thanks for testing it for me -- now I know it actually works. Actually, I was doing an apt-get upgrade on two computers about the time you were accessing the web site. Remember, this is hosted on a Pentium III sharing household-speed bandwidth with five other computers (two of which belong to a 20 year old daughter who is always online). On Dec 29, 2007 7:51 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: your server is very slow. Wonko the Sane wrote: Let me quickly to point out that Philip did all of the work. All I did was download a zip file, uncompress, and move to the public_html directory on my server. On Dec 29, 2007 6:29 PM, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. Ed 300E -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity
I have a friend who still plays with his 4X5 tele-graflex once in a while --- they are fun cameras. I have my grandfather's 2X3 speed graphic, but haven't cut/loaded any film for it. Now that I think about it, my first serious camera was a 2X3 Crown Graphic. The Linhof was probably a Technica - my daughter still uses her 4X5 Technica IV when she's serious about an image. On Dec 30, 2007 11:53 AM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are 4 x 5 Graflexes still around? I think they go back to the flash powder days. The newspaper used an Omega D2 enlarger, a Linhof view (don't remember the film size), 4 x 5 Speed Graphics, Leicas, and Rollieflexes during the late 1940s when I worked there as a teenager. Luckily the editor told me I should find some other line of work since I was one of the worst photographers he'd ever seen. He was right but it was still fun; darkroom/enlarger work especially. We went out on the downtown streets and asked people the question of the day and took their picture for the daily column. I've often wondered why newspapers quit doing that. The editor said it was good for circulation since it got ordinary people personally involved. Gerry -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ONDE PASSARÁS A ETERNIDADE?
DUDE, we did not see it until you posted. Must be spam you caught
clay
On 30 Dec 2007, at 08:38, archer wrote:
Just received this from Mercedes Discussion List. Did someone get
into the
MB server?
Gerry
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Subject: [MBZ] ONDE PASSARÁS A ETERNIDADE?
*ONDE PASSARÁS A ETERNIDADE?*
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mesmo, onde passarias a eternidade? Sem dúvida esta é a pergunta mais
importante de sua vida, já que de sua resposta dependerá seu futuro
eterno.
Há só dois lugares onde os seres humanos podem habitar para sempre:
Um é o
céu, e o outro é o inferno (Apocalipse 20:15).
E um só caminho para ir ao céu: Jesus. Ele disse: Eu sou o caminho,
e a
verdade, e a vida; ninguém vem ao Pai, senão por mim (João 14: 6).
Se ele não está mentindo, e é quem diz ser, elege-lo hoje
incondicionalmente
como seu Salvador pessoal será a melhor decisão de tua vida.
Recusar-lo é
eleger o pior para sempre.
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da Glória de Deus no céu, e condenado ao castigo eterno no inferno
(Apocalipse 21:8).
A Bíblia em Romanos 3:23 diz: Porque todos pecaram e destituídos
estão da
glória de Deus. Não obstante, vemos que ele nos ama e ele nos quer
na sua
glória. Porque Deus amou o mundo de tal maneira que deu o seu Filho
unigênito, para que todo aquele que nele crê não pereça, mas tenha
a vida
eterna (João. 3: 16).
Graças a seu amoroso plano de salvação, centenas de milhares de
pessoas já
estão salvas - libertas do inferno - e certamente residirão no
reino dos
céus para sempre, só porque tomaram a palavra de Deus (Apocalipse
7: 9).
Agora toma sua palavra também, e proclamate estar salvo, e herdeiro
do Reino
por fé; porque Ele disse que assim seria. É Deus, e ele não mente
(Numera
23: 19).
Ore: *Senhor Jesus, eu creio que derramaste teu precioso sangue,
morrete
por meus pecados, e ressucitaste para minha justificação *(Romanos.
4: 23)*.
*
*Perdoa-me, entra en meu coração, e da-me vida eterna contigo em
teu Reino
Celestial. Senhor meu e Deus meu, te dou graças por amar-me e
salvar-me. *
*Leia a bíblia para ser sábio, creia para ser salvo e praticar para
ser
santo.
Assiste a uma igreja cristã, cuja autoridade seja a bíblia e Jesus
Cristo
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*WHERE WILL YOU SPEND ETERNITY? *
If you die right now, where would you spend eternity? No doubt,
this is the
most important question of your life, since your eternal future
will depend
on its answer.
There are only two places where mankind can live forever: one is
heaven, and
the other is hell (Revelation 20: 15).
And only one way to go to heaven: Jesus. He said: *I am the way
and the
truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through
me (John 14:
6). *
If he is not lying, and he is who he says he is, choosing him today
as your
unconditional Saviour will be the best decision of your life. Not
to choose
will be the worst forever (John 3: 36).
Since we were all born contaminated by the original sin, committed
by our
first fathers in Eden, we are all destitute from the glory of God (in
heaven), and condemned to eternal punishment (in hell) (Revelation 21:
8). The Bible in Romans 3: 23 says: *For all have sinned, and fall
short of
the glory of God. *
However, we see that he loves us, and he wants us in his glory.
*For* *God
(Father) so loved the world (you), that he gave us his one and only
Son
(Jesus, God the Son) that whoever (you) believes in him, shall not
perish
(in hell), but have eternal life (in heaven) (John 3: 16).
[MBZ] 1967 200D labor of love
I bought this car 3 years ago from the daughter of the original owner, Rolf Seidel. He had bought it new in Red Deer on February 8, 1968 for $5,665. (I have the Bill of Sale.) It was located on a ranch west of Red Deer, Alberta and had spent it's whole life there. Rolf passed away a number of years ago and his daughter, who had being storing it and driving it occasionally decided it was time to find a new home for it. We knew each other through a work connection. We were at a Christmas function and another fellow and I were talking about our old vehicles - his a 56 Chevy and mine a 51 Willys pickup (http://picasaweb.google.com/hamibob/WillysTruck) She mentioned that she had an old car she was wanting to sell - our ears perked up. I subsequently went and looked at it, decided to buy it and then drove it home to Spruce Grove, west of Edmonton - about 2 hours. They had recently had the motor rebuilt so it drives nicely - no power, not much speed but smooth. At least that's what I remember as I haven't driven it for 3 years! Once I got it in the workshop, I discovered that the rust was quite a bit worse than what I originally thought (isn't it always!). I worked on it a bunch when I first got it and then have not been too motivated to do much until the last couple weeks. Now, I'm moving nicely in getting the rusty metal cut out, fabricating new pieces, welding them in and getting it ready to paint. I thought I'd share with you where I am at. I had noticed some discussion about welding lately - I'm guessing none of you are welding like what I am doing! The pictures of my progression to date are at: http://picasaweb.google.com/hamibob/1967MercedesBenz200D Wish me luck!!. Bob ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Bike
DRO. I'm now shopping salvaged bike frames Luther On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:37:25 -0600, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just came across this - cool! http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2007/05/22/hydrostatic-drive-diesel-motorcycle/ Dan -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (170 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Death of High Fidelity
78s were acoustical until around 1925 IIRC, and then switched over to electrical. The electrical 78 rpm recordings have excellent sound quality, if you don't mind a little surface noise. (the surface noise on 78s from the late 30s is nearly inaudible);) I have tons of wonderful old performances that predate the advance to 33 rpm and hi fi, and they are priceless in terms of the artistry and technical wizardry of the likes of Rachmaninoff, Artur Schnabel, and Josef Hofmann. Among the great pianists of the era, the career of Vladimir Horowitz spanned all the audio tecnhologies and fortunately he still played like a demon into his 60s and the advent of stereophonic sound. On Dec 29, 2007 8:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not been able to find 78's at thrift stores anymore, they just never seem to turn up. Although I cant say I have been looking hard either but I just dont see them, or really LP's either. Dan Weeks wrote: My dad, a retired physicist and life-long audiophile who built most of his own hi-fi stuff from the 40s to the 70s--including big tube amps that sucked enough juice to heat the whole room--is unconvinced that tube sound is better. He terms enthusiasm for tube amps and their harmonic distortion misplaced nostalgia, and prefers the more accurate reproduction of solid state amps. Back when his tube oscilliscope still worked, he'd show you the difference. I, however, have at this count 6 tube hi-fis--4 of them late fifties/ early sixties German sets that have incredible sound--a combination of many speakers and very solid cabinets, among other things. Even my dad admits that my Grundig and Telefunken table radios have sound that blow away his Koss Model 88 and Bose wave tabletops, for all their much-lauded fidelity--probably because the Grundig, for example, has six speakers in its cabinet instead of the Koss' 3. I've found them at thrift shops for 75 bucks a piece or so. My other hi-fi is a 1942 Capehart console record player with an automatic changer that will play 20 consecutive 78s--both sides sequentially--completely automatically. It has a HUGE speaker in a solid walnut case, weighs close to 300 lbs, and has what my dad termed a 40-amp push-pull amplifier that will make your pants flap in the breeze. VERY powerful. I love listening to big band jazz on the original-release 78s with it, tho I do miss stereo reproduction. I've picked up a pretty good collection of Jazz on 78 at thrift and antique shops dirt cheap--as in $3 per box of 120 or so disks. Nobody wants 'em anymore. Filled my SD with 'em on one trip. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bet none of you would be ableto guesswhothisguy'sgrandfather is
Go to your room. No Proust for you tonight! On Dec 29, 2007 10:05 PM, Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was makin' a joke too GEE This is a hard room to play! :) T From: Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:44:08 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] bet none of you would be ableto guesswhothisguy'sgrandfather is It was just meant as a joke. Of course I really do know what the true Mensa society is. -- From: Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] bet none of you would be abletoguesswhothisguy'sgrandfatheris I'm old enough I don't have to go through that any more. From: Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:48:57 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] bet none of you would be able to guesswhothisguy'sgrandfather is What do you mean you wonder if there are any Mensa members? Aren't most of us here men? Gee, I mean come on - duh :) Dave H... -- From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 5:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] bet none of you would be able to guesswhothisguy'sgrandfather is i had the highest IQ on the banned list when we all took the internet IQ test. this means i'm about as smart as a moron can get! On Dec 29, 2007 2:08 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if there are any regular Mensa members on the list? Gerry -- From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] This community comprises a Mercedes Mensa of sorts (present company excluded). --- On Dec 28, 2007 7:17 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: they say novel and interesting things. you don't get a lot of that nowadays, just more stupid propaganda. On Dec 28, 2007 5:29 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've noticed that a number of people on this list probably have high IQ. If you don't mind my asking, why are you interested in people of high intelligence such as Einstein (and Mach)? Gerry yes, which is, strangely, not a made up name, but her mother's maiden name. her father's last name is, not surprisingly, mach. -- On Dec 28, 2007 3:31 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: You're referring to Marilyn Vos Savant (sounds like a made-up name to me). -- On Dec 28, 2007 2:27 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there are some claims regarding illegitimate children of einstein, but the woman you are referring to claims descent from einstein precursor ernst mach. On Dec 28, 2007 2:22 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many used books about Einstein at good prices on: http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?kn=albert+einsteinsts=tx=3 0 y=17 A lady with a column in Parade Magazine (newspaper insert), who supposedly has the highest IQ ever measured, is rumoured to be a descendant of Einstein. She admits to being the descendant of a famous person but will not tell who it is. From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] not at all. i'm on an einstein kick lately and that man is the genuine blood article. it's actually any easy line to follow. albert has 3 known children, but only 1 lives to have children. that one has 3 children, one died in infancy in 1938, one is adopted (who makes claims to being actually albert's illegitimate child, but this claim cannot be substantiated) and is still alive and the third is the pictured dr einstein. so dr einstein,md, and his 3 children are the only living legitimate blood descendents to the famous dr albert einstein. put the hair on him though and the resemblance is pretty clear, huh? --- On Dec 28, 2007 1:17 PM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're kidding, right? Where's the unruly hair? On Dec 28, 2007 12:49 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: http://www.clavin.com/clavin_dr/einstein.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] tonight's nfl game
Am I the only one who sees a distinct bias by the officials in favor of Bull Bellicose? On Dec 29, 2007 10:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shula and hiz boyz have their bub on ice waiting for Eli to do what his brother had a hard time doing. Like that'll ever happen. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 8:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] tonight's nfl game and the play clock goes down to zero and the referee starts waving his hankie at tom brady who goes huh? , and 10 seconds later figures it out and calls time out. are they going to take this down the road of the ravens game and start giving brady do overs? On Dec 29, 2007 10:18 PM, Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yup Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:49 PM Subject: [MBZ] tonight's nfl game jints are bringing their absolute A-game. refs continue to try to fix the game for pats. worth watching. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Email Firewall made the following annotations NOTICE --- This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain confidential, privileged or proprietary information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original and any copy or printout. Unintended recipients are prohibited from making any other use of this e-mail. Although we have taken reasonable precautions to ensure no viruses are present in this e-mail, we accept no liability for any loss or damage arising from the use of this e-mail or attachments, or for any delay or errors or omissions in the contents which result from e-mail transmission. - ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1967 200D labor of love
It looks like a good project! I saw some surface rust behind the panels you cut out - did you use anything like POR in there before closing it up? Did you run complete beads around the replacement panels, or leave them tacked in place, and sealed them with body filler? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1967 200D labor of love
Nice work. Ed 300E On 30/12/2007, Bob Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bought this car 3 years ago from the daughter of the original owner, Rolf Seidel. He had bought it new in Red Deer on February 8, 1968 for $5,665. (I have the Bill of Sale.) It was located on a ranch west of Red Deer, Alberta and had spent it's whole life there. Rolf passed away a number of years ago and his daughter, who had being storing it and driving it occasionally decided it was time to find a new home for it. We knew each other through a work connection. We were at a Christmas function and another fellow and I were talking about our old vehicles - his a 56 Chevy and mine a 51 Willys pickup ( http://picasaweb.google.com/hamibob/WillysTruck) She mentioned that she had an old car she was wanting to sell - our ears perked up. I subsequently went and looked at it, decided to buy it and then drove it home to Spruce Grove, west of Edmonton - about 2 hours. They had recently had the motor rebuilt so it drives nicely - no power, not much speed but smooth. At least that's what I remember as I haven't driven it for 3 years! Once I got it in the workshop, I discovered that the rust was quite a bit worse than what I originally thought (isn't it always!). I worked on it a bunch when I first got it and then have not been too motivated to do much until the last couple weeks. Now, I'm moving nicely in getting the rusty metal cut out, fabricating new pieces, welding them in and getting it ready to paint. I thought I'd share with you where I am at. I had noticed some discussion about welding lately - I'm guessing none of you are welding like what I am doing! The pictures of my progression to date are at: http://picasaweb.google.com/hamibob/1967MercedesBenz200D Wish me luck!!. Bob ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ONDE PASSARÁS A ETERNIDADE?
Redghost wrote: DUDE, we did not see it until you posted. Must be spam you caught I got it, seemingly sent through OkieBenz. You may have caught it with a spam filter the first time. Do you have to be a subscribed list member to send list messages? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Photography, was - The death of high fidelity
I bought my Panasonic Lumix because of its big Leica lens. Good quality for snaps ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1967 200D labor of love
Wow! You have your work cut out for you; especially at the bottom of the left rear door. Before and after pictures will be interesting. I had the same year/model car and did work on the fender. The metal was supposed to be shrunk after repair by using a special tool that made corrugations which were then filled in. Don't know how successful the shrinking was, but the fender held up fine to the end. Gerry '83 300D and 240D Central Florida Gulfcoast .. - Original Message - From: Bob Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] I bought this car 3 years ago from the daughter of the original owner, Rolf Seidel. He had bought it new in Red Deer on February 8, 1968 for $5,665. (I have the Bill of Sale.) It was located on a ranch west of Red Deer, Alberta and had spent it's whole life there. Rolf passed away a number of years ago and his daughter, who had being storing it and driving it occasionally decided it was time to find a new home for it. We knew each other through a work connection. We were at a Christmas function and another fellow and I were talking about our old vehicles - his a 56 Chevy and mine a 51 Willys pickup (http://picasaweb.google.com/hamibob/WillysTruck) She mentioned that she had an old car she was wanting to sell - our ears perked up. I subsequently went and looked at it, decided to buy it and then drove it home to Spruce Grove, west of Edmonton - about 2 hours. They had recently had the motor rebuilt so it drives nicely - no power, not much speed but smooth. At least that's what I remember as I haven't driven it for 3 years! Once I got it in the workshop, I discovered that the rust was quite a bit worse than what I originally thought (isn't it always!). I worked on it a bunch when I first got it and then have not been too motivated to do much until the last couple weeks. Now, I'm moving nicely in getting the rusty metal cut out, fabricating new pieces, welding them in and getting it ready to paint. I thought I'd share with you where I am at. I had noticed some discussion about welding lately - I'm guessing none of you are welding like what I am doing! The pictures of my progression to date are at: http://picasaweb.google.com/hamibob/1967MercedesBenz200D Wish me luck!!. Bob ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tonight's nfl game
Bob, Hard at work at work, I see Chuck Phoenix, AZ but not until 1/10.. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tonight's nfl game
everyone sees this. the nfl wants the pats to win at all costs On Dec 30, 2007 2:56 PM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am I the only one who sees a distinct bias by the officials in favor of Bull Bellicose? On Dec 29, 2007 10:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shula and hiz boyz have their bub on ice waiting for Eli to do what his brother had a hard time doing. Like that'll ever happen. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 8:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] tonight's nfl game and the play clock goes down to zero and the referee starts waving his hankie at tom brady who goes huh? , and 10 seconds later figures it out and calls time out. are they going to take this down the road of the ravens game and start giving brady do overs? On Dec 29, 2007 10:18 PM, Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yup Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:49 PM Subject: [MBZ] tonight's nfl game jints are bringing their absolute A-game. refs continue to try to fix the game for pats. worth watching. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Email Firewall made the following annotations NOTICE --- This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain confidential, privileged or proprietary information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original and any copy or printout. Unintended recipients are prohibited from making any other use of this e-mail. Although we have taken reasonable precautions to ensure no viruses are present in this e-mail, we accept no liability for any loss or damage arising from the use of this e-mail or attachments, or for any delay or errors or omissions in the contents which result from e-mail transmission. - ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1967 200D labor of love
Good for you, Bob! The finnies have always been and always will be my favorite MB chassis. There is just something so classic about that body style that doesn't existing in other MB models. Now you've got me pinin' for my former 62 300SE. Dan --- Bob Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bought this car 3 years ago from the daughter of the original owner, Rolf Seidel. He had bought it new in Red Deer on February 8, 1968 for $5,665. (I have the Bill of Sale.) It was located on a ranch west of Red Deer, Alberta and had spent it's whole life there. Rolf passed away a number of years ago and his daughter, who had being storing it and driving it occasionally decided it was time to find a new home for it. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Brain picking: Moving switches off lower part of 123 console
Thanks for sharing your experience, Jim. It gives me confidence. The new switch is ordered, and it can go on the shelf with some other stuff I have ratholed against possible future need. Someone asked me if I intended to keep/drive the Benz until my son takes it away from me, and I said yes. That's how I'm thinking. I have a head gasket set, a starter, and alternator, a radiator, and many small parts ratholed. Fourway switch will fit right in. I actually have a pretty intense electrical day planned for January 1 - when I intend to buff all the contacts in the fuse box and buff and install new fuses. According to some of what I've read, that ought to fix some electrical problems, maybe inclucing some I don't even know I have. Bought a new Dremel in a box with a flex shaft and two cup brushes for this project. As an indication of how important I think it is, my usual stle wouild be to try to buy one really cheap at a pawnshop. I just marched into the tool place and bought this one. BTDT (?) Goes past me. Please interpret. Thanks again for your experience.Robert - Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:13:23 -0800 From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] WROTE Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brain picking: Moving switches off lower part of 123 console I'm about to replace my fourway flasher switch in order to pass state inspection. That's if cleaning attempts fail. Take it apart and clean it with a Dremel wire brush. Re-grease it and reassemble, and it will be good as new. BTDT. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, computer supplies
I'm not sure I understand the question, are you saying going from a laptop 2.5 ATA (ie. PATA or IDE) to a desktop SATA? Not always an apples to apples conversion. Many (most?) laptop drives are 5400rpm (some older drives are even 4300) while many (again most?) desktop drives are 7200rpm. Random reads on a 7200rpm drives will be much faster. I'd venture to say that in most cases you'll see a larger speed bump going from a 5400rpm drive to a 7200 because its the seek speed that is lacking not transfer rate. -Curt Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:32:54 -0700 From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computer supplies To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 08:17:46 -0800 (PST) LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would agree with Curt, as I have a laptop (15 MBP 2.0Ghz C2D, 2G RAM) that has a SATA drive in it, and I don't see a significant difference in access speeds over my former 15 G4 1.8Ghz that used ATA. But have you compared with a laptop that has a 2.5 ATA drive? Going from my desktop to my laptop, I notice a very large drop in disk access speed. Craig - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ONDE PASSARÁS A ETERNIDADE?
When I hit the send button the To: address was: Mercedes Discussion List,
just like that was where it came from. That's why I thought something might
have gotten into the lists server.
At the bottom was the lists usual blurb:
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DUDE, we did not see it until you posted. Must be spam you caught
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On 30 Dec 2007, at 08:38, archer wrote:
Just received this from Mercedes Discussion List. Did someone get into
the MB server?
Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] Photography, was - The death of high fidelity
The best quality snapshot pictures I ever took were with a little Rodenstock 2 x 2 bellows camera my brother-in-law brought back from Germany after WW-2. The detail was fantastic. A photographer I worked for had a Speed Graphic with a (?)Berlin lens that he gaurded with his life. It was an exceptional lens. Gerry - From: Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] I bought my Panasonic Lumix because of its big Leica lens. Good quality for snaps ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: 12/27/2007 1:34 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity
Back in the day when firewire video capture had just come out we used to get alot of people who would use firewire for deck control and audio and pick up the video through s-video. They said it looked warmer. Firewire is great because its a digital clone of your image, no distortion but alot of people liked the look of svideo and the softening of the digital artifacts... -Curt Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:31:19 -0600 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Peter, I'm an old vacuum tube guy and I still restore vacuum tube radios and amps today. Some corrections additions: Vacuum tubes will do clip. A vacuum tube is a voltage controlled device while a transistor is a current controlled device and either can be driven to clip. Clipping is nothing more than the device being turned all the way on or off before the input signal reaches full potential. Transisitor clipping is sharper than vacuum tube clipping. Vacuum tube amps distort more than transistor amps and the vacuum tube distortion is interpreted as a warmer sound. Transistor amp manufacturers have not been able to duplicate this distortion because it's mechanical - it's in the physical tube design itself. I can still hear the difference in the old radios amps I work on today. You believe the sound from a vacuum tube amp is higher quality because it actually sounds better. Put a scope on the output of a tube amp a transistor amp and compare the difference and it's obvious that the transistor amp output is cleaner. Tom www.kegkits.com - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, computer supplies
Try a different resolution, the monitor has native resolutions at which it will look best, if it has to interpolate pixels it'll get fuzzy. If its a 16x9 monitor your old video card may just not be up to the job. On an old mac thats pretty much tough tiddlies. You might be able to find an ATI 9600 Mac version but it'll be $ to the point you might be better off getting a new computer. -Curt Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:46:11 -0800 From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computer supplies To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I got one for X-mas. Jury is still out since i am running it on a mac with VGA instead of DVI. Sort of fuzzy. Might be because the video card is low res (16meg( clay On 28 Dec 2007, at 11:36, Craig McCluskey wrote: On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:57:34 -0500 Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My seven year old 19 CRT is getting on in age, anybody know of a good deal on a 19-26 flat panel monitor, preferably not widescreen? I'm thinking about replacing our ViewSonic PS790 for a flat panel for lower power consumed and lower magnetic emissions. The difficulty is determining who makes a good monitor. I understand that the Samsung monitors are pretty good. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
It can be, its not hot until you pull the trigger. I usually leave something like 1/16 between the wire and the work because I'm usually welding rusty crap and if its touching and doesn't spark right away but then sparks I get a piece of wire sticking out... -Curt Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:20:51 -0500 From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Is the wire touching when you pull the trigger? Gerry .. Way easier overall. Pull the trigger, the arc strikes and you weld as much as you need. I did some ARC welding but had a very hard time getting a reliable arc. Of course I was usually welding some pretty rusty stuff. My last project was all clean material and I did alot better. -Curt My only experience is with stick and acetylene welding. Haven't quite figured out why MIGs are so popular. Easier to weld sheet metal? Constant welding without stopping to change sticks? Less power needed? Gerry - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity
The other day at work we were talking about what we listened to in highschool. Most of the folks at the table were talking Whitesnake, Poison, Def Leopard. I was the only one for Nirvana, Nine Inch Nails, Dead Kennedys, Gwar, and a stack of bands nobody had heard of. I was so glad when the '80s hairbands died out. -Curt Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:15:00 -0500 From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 everyone listens to the same kinda stuff -- that's why they are the usual suspects. i can't say i ever liked marilyn manson. he is so contrived, downright fake really. now kid rock, on the other hand, i can go for On Dec 29, 2007 9:09 PM, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, I'm amazed that we listen to the same stuff. I kinda had you pegged as more of a Marilyn Manson type... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tonight's nfl game
Brady didn't even show up until the 4th quarter... The first half all he was thinking about was I wonder what nightie Gieselle will wear tonight. -Curt Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 22:37:21 -0500 From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] tonight's nfl game To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 and the play clock goes down to zero and the referee starts waving his hankie at tom brady who goes huh? , and 10 seconds later figures it out and calls time out. are they going to take this down the road of the ravens game and start giving brady do overs? - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
NOt so on my MIG, electrode (wire) is hot when macfhine is on. Pulling trigger advances the wire, it hits Ground and starts to burn. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 19Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 286 KMI Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 87 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:06:27 -0800 (PST), you wrote: It can be, its not hot until you pull the trigger. I usually leave something like 1/16 between the wire and the work because I'm usually welding rusty crap and if its touching and doesn't spark right away but then sparks I get a piece of wire sticking out... -Curt Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:20:51 -0500 From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Is the wire touching when you pull the trigger? Gerry .. Way easier overall. Pull the trigger, the arc strikes and you weld as much as you need. I did some ARC welding but had a very hard time getting a reliable arc. Of course I was usually welding some pretty rusty stuff. My last project was all clean material and I did alot better. -Curt My only experience is with stick and acetylene welding. Haven't quite figured out why MIGs are so popular. Easier to weld sheet metal? Constant welding without stopping to change sticks? Less power needed? Gerry - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, computer supplies
OK, found a more native resolution and the thing is sharp as a razor clay On 30 Dec 2007, at 13:55, Curt Raymond wrote: Try a different resolution, the monitor has native resolutions at which it will look best, if it has to interpolate pixels it'll get fuzzy. If its a 16x9 monitor your old video card may just not be up to the job. On an old mac thats pretty much tough tiddlies. You might be able to find an ATI 9600 Mac version but it'll be $ to the point you might be better off getting a new computer. -Curt Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:46:11 -0800 From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computer supplies To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I got one for X-mas. Jury is still out since i am running it on a mac with VGA instead of DVI. Sort of fuzzy. Might be because the video card is low res (16meg( clay On 28 Dec 2007, at 11:36, Craig McCluskey wrote: On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:57:34 -0500 Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My seven year old 19 CRT is getting on in age, anybody know of a good deal on a 19-26 flat panel monitor, preferably not widescreen? I'm thinking about replacing our ViewSonic PS790 for a flat panel for lower power consumed and lower magnetic emissions. The difficulty is determining who makes a good monitor. I understand that the Samsung monitors are pretty good. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Photography, was - The death of high fidelity
the leica guys all seem to repudiate that lumix product. most of my quick snap shooting has been done with very low end fuji cameras as they are so simple. canon 10D has been my main camera for the last 5 years or so and will probably continie to be forever On Dec 30, 2007 3:39 PM, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bought my Panasonic Lumix because of its big Leica lens. Good quality for snaps ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] ok mac heads
what the heck does this mean? error -122 badMovErr: Move into offspring error ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tonight's nfl game
this patriots team is so good that i'd think they wouldn't even want the refs to cheat for them. i'm putting an asterisk next to this record! On Dec 30, 2007 5:16 PM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brady didn't even show up until the 4th quarter... The first half all he was thinking about was I wonder what nightie Gieselle will wear tonight. -Curt Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 22:37:21 -0500 From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] tonight's nfl game To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 and the play clock goes down to zero and the referee starts waving his hankie at tom brady who goes huh? , and 10 seconds later figures it out and calls time out. are they going to take this down the road of the ravens game and start giving brady do overs? - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] ok mac heads
Sounds like you're trying to move a parent folder into one of it's child (offspring) folders, which is a no-no. I can look it up on my Mac developer's forum if you want, but I doubt the results will mean anything to you... MacDan --- Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what the heck does this mean? error -122 badMovErr: Move into offspring error ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/banned_okiebenz.com Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Climate Control 1980 300D
Scott I want to thank you again for your help. I went to the pick n pull and got a air jet nozzle. Which is not easy to get out! while there I picked up the sensor tube hose out of a 1982 300D the sensor in the middle of the dash. I took out the air nozzle jet out of my car and there was nothing wrong with it. Put it all back together and used the hose from the '82, cut it down some and so far it works fine! So using the foam pipe insulation just leaks too much air, Probably through it. Thanks again All! Douglas Ps any helpful hints on removing a steering wheel I thought it was just the allen nut but couldn't get the one at pick n pull to budge! was using a 3/8 ratchet. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Climate Control 1980 300D
Too bad you had so much trouble isolating this problem. The OEM foam pipe deteriorates fairly quickly. Mine was less than 4 years old and it crumbled into sticky chunks when I bumped it while changing the ACC amp. It's a tight fit, but most folks recommend replacing the OEM foam tube with a piece of foam pipe insulation from Lowes, Home Depot, etc. It's cheap and pretty durable. Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 17:46 To: Mercedes List Subject: [MBZ] Climate Control 1980 300D Scott I want to thank you again for your help. I went to the pick n pull and got a air jet nozzle. Which is not easy to get out! while there I picked up the sensor tube hose out of a 1982 300D the sensor in the middle of the dash. I took out the air nozzle jet out of my car and there was nothing wrong with it. Put it all back together and used the hose from the '82, cut it down some and so far it works fine! So using the foam pipe insulation just leaks too much air, Probably through it. Thanks again All! Douglas Ps any helpful hints on removing a steering wheel I thought it was just the allen nut but couldn't get the one at pick n pull to budge! was using a 3/8 ratchet. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1987 300D temp sending unit
I checked out the thermistor yesterday and found it to be good. The wire going from the sensor to the gauge was no good, as well as the sensor itself. I ran a new wire, as opposed to trying to find the break, and went to pull-a-part today where I bought 3 sensors. (as well as a BUNCH of other stuff)I will test them tonight, when my wife is not looking (need the pan on the stove with boiling water) and then install if good. The 3 I bought are all different so I need to compare to the one in the car. One is 100 to 107, one is 105 to 115 and one is 100 to 110. Results to follow. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300D temp sending unit Guages are on the same fuse as the brake lights. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Photography, was - The death of high fidelity
My lumix is certainly better than my Fuji was and both are better than any of the Sony stufftoo much red bias in Sony and soft lenses...my experience only. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ONDE PASSAR?S A ETERNIDADE?
Clay, I also got the original before Gerry asked about it. I get all the list messages in the digest form and it was in the muddle of the digest #218 listed as message #8. Manfred Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:40:10 -0800 From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] ONDE PASSAR?S A ETERNIDADE? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed DUDE, we did not see it until you posted. Must be spam you caught clay On 30 Dec 2007, at 08:38, archer wrote: Just received this from Mercedes Discussion List. Did someone get into the MB server? Gerry --- - Original Message - From: david del cielo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:57 PM Subject: [MBZ] ONDE PASSAR?S A ETERNIDADE? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Photography, was - The death of high fidelity
What's the number on your low-end Fuji camera? I don't like my Nikon 4600 for snap shooting. A friend, who was an Army photographer, has a Leica Deluxe 3 which he loves. It does take great pictures but it's somewhat expensive. My favorite film camera is an old Fuji SLR with nothing electronic but the light meter. Gerry -- From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] the leica guys all seem to repudiate that lumix product. most of my quick snap shooting has been done with very low end fuji cameras as they are so simple. canon 10D has been my main camera for the last 5 years or so and will probably continie to be forever On Dec 30, 2007 3:39 PM, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bought my Panasonic Lumix because of its big Leica lens. Good quality for snaps ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Brain picking: Moving switches off lower part of 123 console
BTDT = Been There, Done That. Good to hear that you're thinking ahead and maintaining the car for your son. My son is driving the '81 240D that his great grandfather bought new. It's been though four generations now. Unfortunately, I got it when my father decided that it needed work, and he didn't want to mess with it! On Dec 30, 2007 4:26 PM, Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone asked me if I intended to keep/drive the Benz until my son takes it away from me, and I said yes. That's how I'm thinking. I have a head gasket set, a starter, and alternator, a radiator, and many small parts ratholed. Fourway switch will fit right in. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity
Ah, mmm I'm sure there must be a bottle of fixer buried in the basement storage I can go breath. Speaking of billboards, 10 years back I worked on some software for a fellow that specialized in computerized color separation. During the conversion of his software we discovered that all postscript printers we could lay our hands on would only do +/- 32767 pixels. Ya that's 109 inches, but there was this fellow who had a postscript based paint gun for doing bill boards. Mmm 100 feet at 50 dpi, well that's 60,000 pixels Client mutter all sorts of words when we asked about running some 100 foot *test* samples... On Dec 30, 2007, at 11:27 AM, OK Don wrote: The largest print we made was 4X8 feet - we turned one of the enlargers horizontally, projected the 35mm neg onto the RC paper ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Photography, was - The death of high fidelity
i'm on my 3rd one. this last one is a 5.1 megapixel tiny shirt pocket size one. the first one was a 1 megapixel job that i still have that was shaped like an ordinary camera. i bought it new for 50 bucks. then i bought a new one in the same style as that one for 150, but that one was quickly lost/stolen. teh shirt pocket one was like 30 bucks on ebay. it was sold by one of those distressed electronic floor model liquidator types with no promise regarding performance. i bought a $5 new battery and it works fine. On Dec 30, 2007 6:12 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the number on your low-end Fuji camera? I don't like my Nikon 4600 for snap shooting. A friend, who was an Army photographer, has a Leica Deluxe 3 which he loves. It does take great pictures but it's somewhat expensive. My favorite film camera is an old Fuji SLR with nothing electronic but the light meter. Gerry -- From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] the leica guys all seem to repudiate that lumix product. most of my quick snap shooting has been done with very low end fuji cameras as they are so simple. canon 10D has been my main camera for the last 5 years or so and will probably continie to be forever On Dec 30, 2007 3:39 PM, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bought my Panasonic Lumix because of its big Leica lens. Good quality for snaps ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Photography, was - The death of high fidelity
I don't remember the number on my low-end Fuji. I still have it but it's in the UK. 4.1 megapixel. Jeff Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] seeking source for copper crush washers
Allan - Here is a possible source. Barry Not directly MB related, but I am looking for a source to buy M14 and M16 sized copper crush washers. These are specifically for reconnecting power steering fittings on another vehicle. http://specialtauto.com/delorean-parts/images/Copper-seal-ring.jpg http://specialtauto.com/delorean-parts/hardware-metric.htmlAlan - ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ok mac heads
Since we're OT I may as well ask a OT question: I have a box full of old cell phones and their various chargers. How's the best way to dispose of them? They've been sitting around for a few years -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 5:21 PM Subject: [MBZ] ok mac heads what the heck does this mean? error -122 badMovErr: Move into offspring error ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: 12/30/2007 11:27 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Photography
I've got a now very battered Fuji 2650 2MP. Its been across the country with me, umm 5 times now. Down to Florida umm, 5 or 6 times I forget. Gone to camp times without count. I've taken pictures from planes, boats, motorcycles, and snowmobiles. One time I was taking a picture of another snowmobiler at ~50mph and I dropped it. When I went back to get it I drove over it by accident in the dark. The screen cracked when I dropped it from the 2nd floor balcony of a hotel room. It still works pretty well although the flash takes a long time to charge and its hard on batteries. I'd asked my folks for a replacement 5MP for Christmas but haven't seen them yet. -Curt Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:18:53 -0500 From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Photography, was - The death of high fidelity To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i'm on my 3rd one. this last one is a 5.1 megapixel tiny shirt pocket size one. the first one was a 1 megapixel job that i still have that was shaped like an ordinary camera. i bought it new for 50 bucks. then i bought a new one in the same style as that one for 150, but that one was quickly lost/stolen. teh shirt pocket one was like 30 bucks on ebay. it was sold by one of those distressed electronic floor model liquidator types with no promise regarding performance. i bought a $5 new battery and it works fine. On Dec 30, 2007 6:12 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the number on your low-end Fuji camera? I don't like my Nikon 4600 for snap shooting. A friend, who was an Army photographer, has a Leica Deluxe 3 which he loves. It does take great pictures but it's somewhat expensive. My favorite film camera is an old Fuji SLR with nothing electronic but the light meter. Gerry --- - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Photography, was - The death of high fidelity
There's always the Panasonic twin --- Lumix DMC-LX2 http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-cameras/leica-d-lux-3/4505-6501_7-32106926.html There are a few differences, with pluses for each one. On Dec 30, 2007 5:12 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the number on your low-end Fuji camera? I don't like my Nikon 4600 for snap shooting. A friend, who was an Army photographer, has a Leica Deluxe 3 which he loves. It does take great pictures but it's somewhat expensive. My favorite film camera is an old Fuji SLR with nothing electronic but the light meter. Gerry -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ok mac heads
Larry, There should be several groups (private and local govt) that collect used cell phones and program them for use as 911 call ONLY. Given to folks on public assistance rolls... Try: http://www.wadt.org/index.php? option=com_contenttask=viewid=18Itemid=47gclid=CMT6vLaa0ZACFRv7iAodW 3MePA or http://www.recellular.com/recycling/ or http://www.cellphonesforsoldiers.com/ Hope this helps. Take care and Happy New Year... Chuck Phoenix AZ On Dec 30, 2007, at 1:50 PM, LarryT wrote: Since we're OT I may as well ask a OT question: I have a box full of old cell phones and their various chargers. How's the best way to dispose of them? They've been sitting around for a few years -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 5:21 PM Subject: [MBZ] ok mac heads what the heck does this mean? error -122 badMovErr: Move into offspring error ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: 12/30/2007 11:27 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ok mac heads
Another alternative, though not ecologically correct, is using them for skeet --- there have been many times when I've though could be the best use for one. On Dec 30, 2007 5:57 PM, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Larry, There should be several groups (private and local govt) that collect used cell phones and program them for use as 911 call ONLY. Given to folks on public assistance rolls... -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ok mac heads
I read somewhere there is a market for used cell phones (well I'm not sure you get paid for them). Apparently they are refurbished or recycled. If refurbished they are then sold into third world countries where cell phones are likely the only way to get phone service. See other diesel lists notes about STEALING copper wire, aka telephone lines Let's see NYTimes archives... Ah yes, link to http://www.recellular.com/recycling/donatePhones.asp mmm even a program to get phones to usa military folks, and Wal-mart takes them (who knew)... PS, mac head since 1984... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1967 200D labor of love
Yes, before I close up the rocker panels, I coat the inside with a rust inhibitor type paint. On the drivers side, I replaced the whole rocker so it was easy to coat but on the passenger side, it's a bit better so I'm patching the rocker rather than replacing it entirely. Fortunately(?), the holes are big enough that I can get in there and clean it up and then slop the paint around. By the time I am done, I will have coated the whole bottom of the car and all the parts where rust of any type is visible. I'm doing it primarily with a paint brush. (I won't use a paint brush for the outside!) I don't weld around the whole panel that I am replacing for a couple reasons. First, continuous welding causes warping. Second, it is plenty strong enough by tacking every few inches. Third, a lot of the stuff that I am welding to isn't always real strong. I typically cut out anything that is weak but the old metal isn't as easy to weld to as the new stuff - quite easy to blow holes if you aren't careful. Fourth, the original rocker panels are not continuous welded - they are tack welded every few inches. So, I tack it so that it is strong. Then I grind it down a bit, then put on some seam sealer to close the all the holes that are left. Next, I'll apply some bondo in places that I want to look pretty and will be painting the car color. Inside the wheel wells, underneath and the inside, I'll put on some high build rockerguard type coating. That will nicely hide my bad welding! .. Bob Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:56:54 -0600 From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1967 200D labor of love It looks like a good project! I saw some surface rust behind the panels you cut out - did you use anything like POR in there before closing it up? Did you run complete beads around the replacement panels, or leave them tacked in place, and sealed them with body filler? Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 From: Bob Hamilton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1967 200D labor of love The pictures of my progression to date are at: http://picasaweb.google.com/hamibob/1967MercedesBenz200D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Photography, was - The death of high fidelity
Are you back in Toronto for the Holiday's or off in some other more exotic local. - Original Message - From: Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Photography, was - The death of high fidelity I don't remember the number on my low-end Fuji. I still have it but it's in the UK. 4.1 megapixel. Jeff Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Photography, was - The death of high fidelity
I was just about to ask - Where in the world is Jeff Zedic? On Dec 30, 2007 6:31 PM, Ralph W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you back in Toronto for the Holiday's or off in some other more exotic local. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Photography, was - The death of high fidelity
Interesting, and the Canon Powershot would also be a candidate. One thing I liked about the Leica was the big LCD screen on the back. Gerry --- From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] There's always the Panasonic twin --- Lumix DMC-LX2 http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-cameras/leica-d-lux-3/4505-6501_7-32106926.html There are a few differences, with pluses for each one. .. On Dec 30, 2007 5:12 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the number on your low-end Fuji camera? I don't like my Nikon 4600 for snap shooting. A friend, who was an Army photographer, has a Leica Deluxe 3 which he loves. It does take great pictures but it's somewhat expensive. My favorite film camera is an old Fuji SLR with nothing electronic but the light meter. Gerry -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: 12/27/2007 1:34 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity
You still have a functioning Seagate ST 225 Seagate 251??? I had one of each with a Winchester drive controller. They made controllers for the smaller drives too, not just the large platter drives. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 12:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity OK Don wrote: I traded a C220 with lens for my first hard drive - an ST225. I've got a 225 or two if you want to trade another Mamiya for it. Also have the 40mb, I think it's a ST251. I believe my Dad still has a Winchester disk pack laying around, the platters are almost as big as LPs. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: 12/30/2007 11:27 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 85 280SL
I just ran over and took a look at this SL, looks good But I'd have to find/put engine in I guess, probably not worth the hastle but I like the six and the bumpers on a euro. I figure 3k or less for the car, and $2500 for another engine installed 5-5.5k for a sweet little SL for the summer. http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/car/523599720.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
