Re: [MBZ] I'm in The Wrong Business...A Fresh Alignment...Jacks

[Timothy Robinson]

I recently had total front end, tie rods, rocker arms, upper bushings, drag
link, alignment, oil/fluids/filters, replace window regulator, all four
brakes and fuel tank replacement. Total labor was less than $500. though
Todd and Gary did furnish parts. I thought labor was more than fair though I
realised they were able to mark up parts. Still thought total was a deal.
Would have probably been more expensive if I'd tried to "save" money by
furnishing parts myself.

I was pleased, and yeah, sure drives good!

> From: "John Freer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 19:10:08 -0800
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm in The Wrong Business...A Fresh Alignment...Jacks
> 
> Even if the place was called Jack's MB Dealership that is way over the
> top! OTOH, you did provide some of your own parts so that might be a
> factor.
> John
> 
> On 1/5/08, Robert Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Got the old girl aligned at Jacks on Thomas at 29th St.the place Bud
>> mentioned. Had him do the upper bushings and the steering damper and then an
>> alignment. I supplied the steering damper, he got the upper bushing (since I
>> didn't plan ahead and get them from Rusty). Got there at 0715 and was out by
>> 0920. By the time he had the parts secured and started work it was more like
>> 0750. He charged $300 labor. I nearly had a stroke. He was trying to
>> convince me that is the going rate. I don't think it is. Am I wrong?  Do I
>> need to call Bud?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Car sure drives nicely now, by the way.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Bob R
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] I'm in The Wrong Business...A Fresh Alignment...Jacks

[jfreezn]

Bob,

Sounds like he might have got you for an extra $100, or more.? Maybe they got 
your bill ?mixed up with some guy that works at a nuclear power plant where 
$100 is about 1/2 hour's overtime.? ?? Shame on them!

I called bushings first!

Jim in Phoenix


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Mr. Jim asked:

"By the way, were the bushings bad?   Hmm?"

Yes they wereall smooshed out and cracking. 
Just Jack himself and one other fella were working on it. Kinds tag teaming
it. 

Bob R.



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Re: [MBZ] Today's OM 603 adventure

[jfreezn]

This crud is on the front of the radiator, but behind the AC condenser, right?? 
Where you can't see it, and you really can't blow it out!? I have been 
advocating the pulling of the radiator every 6 to 8 years, especially you guys 
that drive where the bugs live, and the deer and the antelope play(open 
fields,etc).

Jim in Phoenix


It's always something.  This does give us a chance to get the radiator 
cleaned, though.  Packed full of crap and oil, I'm surprised it didnt' 
overheat!




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Sent: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 10:51 pm
Subject: [MBZ] Today's OM 603 adventure




My brother's SDL has had a persistant vibration at idle for quite a 
while.  We've replaced the belt tensioner and belt (big improvement, 
since the belt got  oil soaked during a previous adventure involving 
the chain tensioner), but it still thumps away.

I asked him if he'd checked the crank pulley, since when that comes 
loose the harmonic balancer does too (it's held on by the six pulley 
bolts) and I didn't want his wife to beat the font cover in.  He 
checked, but said when he shoved on the balancer, it felt like it 
moved, and the idle got better for a while.

So he decided that he needed a new balancer, and a new crankshaft front 
seal since the old one was obviously leaking (oily balancer and 
drenched alternator).  He got the parts from our friend the 
semi-retired German Indy, and we tore it apart this afternoon.

First bit of fun was the lack of the ring gear locking tool, which Hans 
doesn't have (none of his customers drives an SDL anymore).  The crank 
flange bolt is torqued to 320 Nm, needless to say you aren't going to 
get it loose without holding the crank somehow.

We improvised -- since he's got a new balancer anyway, and the rubber 
on the old one is VERY soft (the source of his vibration, I'm fairly 
certain), we just welded a piece of angle iron to it so that it hit the 
floor after the old balancer was bolted back in place.  I figured the 
very worst that would happen is that we'd tear the rubber off and have 
to weld the angle iron to the remaining part.  Bolt came right out with 
the help of a length of square tubing.

The flange came out easily with the help of a gear puller, and so did 
the seal.  Big old slot worn in the seal surface, seal was rock hard 
after 250,000 miles.  Oil everywhere, as you would expect.

Went to put the new seal in, and haha, wrong part.  Listed as correct 
on the receipt, but it appears to be the one for an M117, not the 603!  
No way it's gonna fit -- inside is correct, but the outer diameter is 
15mm to large.

A search of all the local parts stores resulted in "we can get it for 
you Monday afternoon" -- no one stocks that size, its' right between a 
couple common ones (45mm inside, 67 mm outside, common sizes are 65 and 
68 mm outside.)

So the car is sitting partially dismanteled until we get the part on 
Tuesday (the Benz remplacement seal is offset a couple mm back to sit 
on a fresh part of the flange seal surface.

It's always something.  This does give us a chance to get the radiator 
cleaned, though.  Packed full of crap and oil, I'm surprised it didnt' 
overheat!

Peter


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[MBZ] Today's OM 603 adventure

[Peter Frederick]

My brother's SDL has had a persistant vibration at idle for quite a 
while.  We've replaced the belt tensioner and belt (big improvement, 
since the belt got  oil soaked during a previous adventure involving 
the chain tensioner), but it still thumps away.

I asked him if he'd checked the crank pulley, since when that comes 
loose the harmonic balancer does too (it's held on by the six pulley 
bolts) and I didn't want his wife to beat the font cover in.  He 
checked, but said when he shoved on the balancer, it felt like it 
moved, and the idle got better for a while.

So he decided that he needed a new balancer, and a new crankshaft front 
seal since the old one was obviously leaking (oily balancer and 
drenched alternator).  He got the parts from our friend the 
semi-retired German Indy, and we tore it apart this afternoon.

First bit of fun was the lack of the ring gear locking tool, which Hans 
doesn't have (none of his customers drives an SDL anymore).  The crank 
flange bolt is torqued to 320 Nm, needless to say you aren't going to 
get it loose without holding the crank somehow.

We improvised -- since he's got a new balancer anyway, and the rubber 
on the old one is VERY soft (the source of his vibration, I'm fairly 
certain), we just welded a piece of angle iron to it so that it hit the 
floor after the old balancer was bolted back in place.  I figured the 
very worst that would happen is that we'd tear the rubber off and have 
to weld the angle iron to the remaining part.  Bolt came right out with 
the help of a length of square tubing.

The flange came out easily with the help of a gear puller, and so did 
the seal.  Big old slot worn in the seal surface, seal was rock hard 
after 250,000 miles.  Oil everywhere, as you would expect.

Went to put the new seal in, and haha, wrong part.  Listed as correct 
on the receipt, but it appears to be the one for an M117, not the 603!  
No way it's gonna fit -- inside is correct, but the outer diameter is 
15mm to large.

A search of all the local parts stores resulted in "we can get it for 
you Monday afternoon" -- no one stocks that size, its' right between a 
couple common ones (45mm inside, 67 mm outside, common sizes are 65 and 
68 mm outside.)

So the car is sitting partially dismanteled until we get the part on 
Tuesday (the Benz remplacement seal is offset a couple mm back to sit 
on a fresh part of the flange seal surface.

It's always something.  This does give us a chance to get the radiator 
cleaned, though.  Packed full of crap and oil, I'm surprised it didnt' 
overheat!

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Supposed Tips on Fueling Up

[Fmiser]

It seems than at Fri, 4 Jan 2008 22:25:36 -0600, OK wrote:

> OK - someone needs to look up the coifficient of expansion for
> Diesel and gasoline - how much does the volume change per
> degree? My CRC is at home (I'm in Houston), and I'm too tired
> to search the web for it.

I found three answers.

Diesel has a typical coefficient of cubical expansion of 0.084% per degree C.



Coefficient of Expansion per degree F (C) = 0.00060 (0.00108)

http://www.dot.state.oh.us/construction/OCA/Specs/SSandPN2002/10600402for2002.pdf



Or the linear thermal expansion coefficient is 0.00046 /deg F

http://www.eng-tips.com/faqs.cfm?fid=224

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] I'm in The Wrong Business...A Fresh Alignment...Jacks

[Robert Rentfro]

Mr. Jim asked:

"By the way, were the bushings bad?   Hmm?"

Yes they wereall smooshed out and cracking. 
Just Jack himself and one other fella were working on it. Kinds tag teaming
it. 

Bob R.



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Re: [MBZ] Working McD's

[Allan Streib]

On Jan 5, 2008, at 11:02 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

> 30 years ago, a single McD franchise was a license to make 300k or  
> more a
> year, and you were doing good to make 100k from a Domino's store if  
> you
> worked 60 hours a week yourself.

Having worked at both, that's because McDonalds easily has single-day  
sales that exceed the entire week's sales at Dominos.  I remember  
nights at Dominos where we sold maybe 10 pies the whole night, a  
little more that $100.   Also Dominos, at least where I worked, had  
this stupid idea that managers and manager trainees, who were paid by  
the hour, needed to work 60 - 70 hours a week, so you were paying  
RIDICULOUS amounts of overtime.  It was utterly insane.

Owning a high-volume McDonalds certainly can reward you well, but you  
have to have a lot of your own capital invested *and* you also have  
to work: McDonalds owners are also operators; you can't just own a  
McDonalds franchise as an investment.  You also have to develop good  
managers who can control food and labor costs if you want that  
"license" to bear fruit.  In lower volume stores it's much more  
difficult, in our market the owner had 4 stores and two of them  
barely covered costs, one turned a moderate profit and one did really  
well.  All the stores were clean and well run, the difference was the  
sales volume, largely driven by location.

Allan

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[MBZ] Seeds [was: Re: Coffee is hot]

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 22:04:02 -0600 Fmiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Just google for "heirloom open-pollinated vegetable seed". 
> 
> Open-pollinated means that the seed will grow the same plant as
> the one the seeds came from. It is the "opposite" of hybrid.
> 
> Heirloom plants are those open-pollinated variates that have
> existed for at least a few decades.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heirloom_plant

If you want seeds, tomatoes especially, try http://www.seedstrust.com/. I
planted some of their Siberian tomatoes last summer. A decent crop in our
short growing season, all things considered.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Supposed Tips on Fueling Up

[Fmiser]

It seems than at Fri, 4 Jan 2008 18:28:52 -0500, LarryT wrote:

> It was written < morning when the
> >> ground temperature is still cold>>
> 
> And Allan asked < Maybe 4 or 5 
> feet>>
> 
> 
> Let's talk about this --- 
> 
> Water expands when cold - perhaps the only material to do so.
> I'm don't know - I'm asking.

As the temperature drops, water expands _only_ from 4 C to 0 C.
Then once it is solid, it continues to contract.

This is because of the crystal formation that occurs when it
becomes ice.

> If gasoline and diesel, both being liquids expand like water,
> the cold tanks (and what they contain I assume) would also
> expand) - so if buying expanded diesel in the cold morning,
> what happens when it warms and (presumable) contracts.  You
> end up with less than you paid for.
> 
> If, OTOH, the gas/diesel contracts when cold, the above
> comment would make sense - assuming the metering equipment in
> the pump is similarily affected.

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Dakar

[RELNGSON]

> < your listings>.
> 
Cancelled because of terrorist threat.
> 
> 




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Re: [MBZ] Florida rodbender

[Allan Streib]

The listing is still accessible -- the rear view photo shows the  
badge: 350 SD.

On Jan 5, 2008, at 11:00 PM, dave walton wrote:

> You never know. Just because the guy listed it as an SD doesn't mean
> it's not an SDL. If he relists it I'll email him and check.
> I like the SDL's.
>
> -Dave Walton
>
> On Jan 5, 2008 10:34 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> In a message dated 1/5/2008 8:23:07 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>
>> On Jan  5, 2008, at 10:18 PM, dave walton wrote:
>>
>>> It was listed as an SD,  not an SDL.
>>>
>>
>> That's true but the Florida SDL makes no mention of  the engine being
>> replaced, which the North Carolina SD did  have.
>>
>> Allan
>>
>>
>>
>> I guess I didn't think they marketed a 350SD in the USA, I added  
>> the L
>> without thinking.
>>
>> Jim  Friesen
>> Phoenix AZ
>> 79 300SD, 264 K miles
>> 98 ML 320, 152 K  miles
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Supposed Tips on Fueling Up

[dave walton]

Don't forget to factor in that diesel at the pump contains more
kerosene in cold climates and during the winter - so you will get less
mileage.

-Dave Walton

On Jan 5, 2008 10:45 PM, Fmiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It seems than at Fri, 4 Jan 2008 03:13:17 -0800, Zoltan wrote:
>
> > Now, I don't want to be one of those folks who perpetuate
> > forwarded emails, but I just read this one and I bet y'all
> > could provide great feedback.
>
> Interesting reading.
>
> > *Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early morning
> > when the ground temperature is still cold. Remember that all
> > service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground.
>
> Not true. I know of at least 4 stations in the towns two towns
> closest to me that have above ground tanks.
>
> And this tip is only valid for _above_ ground tanks because the
> ground temperature doesn't really change. In most of the USA, a
> root cellar that's only 4ft deep keeps a rather constant
> temperature.
>
> > The colder the ground the more dense the gasoline, when it
> > gets warmer gasoline expands, so buying in the afternoon or in
> > the eveningyour gallon is not exactly a gallon.
>
> A gallon is a volume measure, so a gallon is still a gallon. But
> the density of the fuel does indeed change with temperature. So
> if you buy your fuel cold, it can expand in the car's tank. But
> with underground tanks, the temperature of the fuel doesn't
> really change much. Except when the delivery truck is pumping in
> hot, or extra cold, fuel.
>
> >  **When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the
> > nozzle to a fast
> > mode. If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3)
> > stages: low, middle, and high. In slow mode you should be
> > pumping on low speed, thereby minimizing the vapors that are
> > created while you are pumping. All hoses at the pump have a
> > vapor return.
>
> Not true. Only in major markets and with gasoline. I've never
> seen vapor recovery with diesel.
>
> --Philip
>
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Re: [MBZ] Working McD's

[Mitch Haley]

Allan Streib wrote:
> 
> What the heck are you talking about???
> 
> Profits in the restaurant biz are far from "unimaginable", especially
> in fast food there is too much competition.

30 years ago, a single McD franchise was a license to make 300k or more a
year, and you were doing good to make 100k from a Domino's store if you
worked 60 hours a week yourself. At the time the medium small town nearest to
me had a McD, a Hardees, Little Ceasars, Dairy Queen and no other chain food. 

Now that town has McD, DQ, Taco Bell, Mancino's pizza & subs, Subway x2, BK,
Ceasars, Papa John's, Pizza Hut, Hungry Howie's, Arby's, Wendy's, and I'm
sure I missed one or two. Hardees is gone. Domino's and Hot N Now have come
and gone. There is also a local pizza chain, several local eateries and two
Chinese restaraunts, one mostly sitdown and the other specializes in takeout.
There are just too many storefronts for any one of them to be very profitable.

In the late 1980's I knew Domino's franchise owners who worked serious hours
and only made $30-40k. Now I'm sure there are stores that lose money even
with the owner managing them full time. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Florida rodbender

[dave walton]

You never know. Just because the guy listed it as an SD doesn't mean
it's not an SDL. If he relists it I'll email him and check.
I like the SDL's.

-Dave Walton

On Jan 5, 2008 10:34 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/5/2008 8:23:07 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> On Jan  5, 2008, at 10:18 PM, dave walton wrote:
>
> > It was listed as an SD,  not an SDL.
> >
>
> That's true but the Florida SDL makes no mention of  the engine being
> replaced, which the North Carolina SD did  have.
>
> Allan
>
>
>
> I guess I didn't think they marketed a 350SD in the USA, I added the L
> without thinking.
>
> Jim  Friesen
> Phoenix AZ
> 79 300SD, 264 K miles
> 98 ML 320, 152 K  miles
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] I'm in The Wrong Business...A Fresh Alignment...Jacks

[JFreezn]

 
In a message dated 1/5/2008 8:02:50 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Chuck,  Mr. Jim



Got the old girl aligned at Jacks on Thomas at 29th  St.the place Bud
mentioned. Had him do the upper bushings and the steering  damper and then an
alignment. I supplied the steering damper, he got the  upper bushing (since I
didn't plan ahead and get them from Rusty). Got  there at 0715 and was out by
0920. By the time he had the parts secured and  started work it was more like
0750. He charged $300 labor. I nearly had a  stroke. He was trying to
convince me that is the going rate. I don't think  it is. Am I wrong?  Do I
need to call Bud?



Bob,
 
How many hours did he charge you for?  How many guys did he have  working on 
it?  One on each wheel doing the bushings, him, the parts  chaser,
the alignment specialist?  There could have been 4 man hours at  $75/hr. 
 
By the way, were the bushings bad?   Hmm?
 
Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 264 K miles 
98 ML 320, 152 K  miles



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Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

[Fmiser]

> > From: "andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> > Baloney phoney.  Food never tasted better.  We are in a
> > renaissance where healthful food tastes great - period.  We
> > can eat better AND live longer. I
> > grow heirloom vegetables from the last century and they make
> > summer worth waiting for.

> Where do you get the seeds for these vegetables?
> 
> My understanding, very limited, was that the conglomerate
> farms were putting the seed business out of business so that
> they could monopolize the market with genetically altered non
> seeding plants
> 
> Dave H...

Just google for "heirloom open-pollinated vegetable seed". 

Open-pollinated means that the seed will grow the same plant as
the one the seeds came from. It is the "opposite" of hybrid.

Heirloom plants are those open-pollinated variates that have
existed for at least a few decades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heirloom_plant

-- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT Dakar Rally

[Mitch Haley]

Chuck Landenberger wrote:
> 
> I guess the racers could be equipped w/50's and launchers and get
> extra points for how many they can score!

I was thinking of the pod race sequence in "Star Wars: Episode I"
where one of the challenges facing the racers was the Sand People 
shooting at them. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Supposed Tips on Fueling Up

[Fmiser]

It seems than at Fri, 4 Jan 2008 03:13:17 -0800, Zoltan wrote:

> Now, I don't want to be one of those folks who perpetuate
> forwarded emails, but I just read this one and I bet y'all
> could provide great feedback.

Interesting reading.

> *Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early morning
> when the ground temperature is still cold. Remember that all
> service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground.

Not true. I know of at least 4 stations in the towns two towns
closest to me that have above ground tanks.

And this tip is only valid for _above_ ground tanks because the
ground temperature doesn't really change. In most of the USA, a
root cellar that's only 4ft deep keeps a rather constant
temperature.

> The colder the ground the more dense the gasoline, when it
> gets warmer gasoline expands, so buying in the afternoon or in
> the eveningyour gallon is not exactly a gallon.

A gallon is a volume measure, so a gallon is still a gallon. But
the density of the fuel does indeed change with temperature. So
if you buy your fuel cold, it can expand in the car's tank. But
with underground tanks, the temperature of the fuel doesn't
really change much. Except when the delivery truck is pumping in
hot, or extra cold, fuel.

>  **When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the
> nozzle to a fast
> mode. If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3)
> stages: low, middle, and high. In slow mode you should be
> pumping on low speed, thereby minimizing the vapors that are
> created while you are pumping. All hoses at the pump have a
> vapor return.

Not true. Only in major markets and with gasoline. I've never
seen vapor recovery with diesel.

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Florida rodbender

[JFreezn]

 
In a message dated 1/5/2008 8:23:07 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

On Jan  5, 2008, at 10:18 PM, dave walton wrote:

> It was listed as an SD,  not an SDL.
>

That's true but the Florida SDL makes no mention of  the engine being  
replaced, which the North Carolina SD did  have.

Allan



I guess I didn't think they marketed a 350SD in the USA, I added the L  
without thinking.  

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Re: [MBZ] I'm in The Wrong Business...A Fresh Alignment...Jacks

[OK Don]

I just paid $130 a the OKC stealership for a 4 wheel alignment on the
SDL - but nothing else was done. It drives far better now than it did
after the local indie aligned it.  Some shops do get bent all out of
shape if you provide your own parts. Check what the flat rates are for
the jobs. Some shops charge the flat rate, regardless of how long it
takes them. I couold beat the flat rate on some MGB jobs by as much as
30% back when ---

On Jan 5, 2008 9:10 PM, John Freer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Even if the place was called Jack's MB Dealership that is way over the
> top! OTOH, you did provide some of your own parts so that might be a
> factor.
> John
>

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"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics."
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Re: [MBZ] Florida rodbender

[Allan Streib]

On Jan 5, 2008, at 10:18 PM, dave walton wrote:

> It was listed as an SD, not an SDL.
>

That's true but the Florida SDL makes no mention of the engine being  
replaced, which the North Carolina SD did have.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Florida rodbender

[dave walton]

It was listed as an SD, not an SDL.

-Dave Walton

On Jan 5, 2008 10:12 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/5/2008 7:57:48 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> Hm  munged link try this.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/32blka
>
> On Jan 5, 2008,  at 9:55 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
>
> >  http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1991-Mercedes-Benz-350-SDL-Turbo-
> >  Diesel-Sedan-
> >  Clean_W0QQitemZ180203043494QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6336QQssPageNameZWDVWQQr
> > dZ
> > 1QQcmdZViewItem
>
>
>
> The 350SDL  with the new engine (58K on engine) just  went on Ebay for $4201.
>  Quite a bargain but I am a coast away!  That  thing would sell for double in
> Calif!
>
> Jim  Friesen
> Phoenix AZ
> 79 300SD, 264 K miles
> 98 ML 320, 152 K  miles
>
>
>
>
> **Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape.
> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489
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Re: [MBZ] Florida rodbender

[Allan Streib]

On Jan 5, 2008, at 10:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> The 350SDL  with the new engine (58K on engine) just  went on Ebay  
> for $4201.
>  Quite a bargain but I am a coast away!  That  thing would sell for  
> double in
> Calif!

Well maybe it did and maybe it didn't.  It did not meet the reserve.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Florida rodbender

[JFreezn]

 
In a message dated 1/5/2008 7:57:48 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hm  munged link try this.

http://tinyurl.com/32blka

On Jan 5, 2008,  at 9:55 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

>  http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1991-Mercedes-Benz-350-SDL-Turbo-
>  Diesel-Sedan-
>  Clean_W0QQitemZ180203043494QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6336QQssPageNameZWDVWQQr  
> dZ
> 1QQcmdZViewItem



The 350SDL  with the new engine (58K on engine) just  went on Ebay for $4201. 
 Quite a bargain but I am a coast away!  That  thing would sell for double in 
Calif!  

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 264 K miles 
98 ML 320, 152 K  miles




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Re: [MBZ] OT booting from a floppy

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I thought thats what I did, but will try it again sometime.

dave walton wrote:
> You are in the wrong place. That's the repair console.
> Reboot from CD. Install XP, Repair existing installation.
> 
> -Dave Walton
> 
> On Jan 4, 2008 9:05 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I have gone into the repair deal, but iirc, it take you to a command prompt
>> thing and from there I have not been able to figure out.
>>
>> ---
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>> Cox Auto Trader
>> 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 6:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT booting from a floppy
>>
>>
>>> Hi Kaleb,
>>>It's been a while since I tried it, but IIRC, when the XP Install
>>> window
>>> opens, you get a choice of Installing, Repairing or Uninstalling.  It's
>>> been
>>> a while.  You're probaby just not seeing it.
>>>
>>> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
>>> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
>>> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
>>> PORSCHE POSTERS!  youroil.net
>>> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
>>> .
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Kaleb C. Striplin, work" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 5:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT booting from a floppy
>>>
>>>
 I guess I am stupid, I have tried the repair deal and I never can figure
 out
 how to use it.

 ---
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 Cox Auto Trader
 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor

 - Original Message -
 From: "Rick Knoble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
 Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 4:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT booting from a floppy


>> OK, got this computer that runs xp that has been screwing up now wont
>> boot because its missing a file. OK, no big deal I think.  I will make
>> a
>> boot disk an copy the file in from dos and see what happens.  Wrong.
>> Computer boots up but will not let me switch to the partition I need to
>> get to the windows directory.
> My kids computer did the same thing. I ended up doing a repair install
> with the XP cd. Worked like a champ. However, there was a problem with
> windows update after that. I had to re-register some dlls.
>
> Rick Knoble
> '85 300 CD
> '87 190 DT
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Re: [MBZ] I'm in The Wrong Business...A Fresh Alignment...Jacks

[John Freer]

Even if the place was called Jack's MB Dealership that is way over the
top! OTOH, you did provide some of your own parts so that might be a
factor.
John

On 1/5/08, Robert Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Got the old girl aligned at Jacks on Thomas at 29th St.the place Bud
> mentioned. Had him do the upper bushings and the steering damper and then an
> alignment. I supplied the steering damper, he got the upper bushing (since I
> didn't plan ahead and get them from Rusty). Got there at 0715 and was out by
> 0920. By the time he had the parts secured and started work it was more like
> 0750. He charged $300 labor. I nearly had a stroke. He was trying to
> convince me that is the going rate. I don't think it is. Am I wrong?  Do I
> need to call Bud?
>
>
>
> Car sure drives nicely now, by the way.
>
>
>
> Bob R
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Are 240TD parts suitable for 300TDs?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yes, it should all work

Euan wrote:
> Happy New Year from the Colonies
> 
> While holidaying over New Year, I discovered a weary-looking 1981 240TD 
> 4-spd manual parked off the drive in a neighbouring property. After 
> running its owner to ground, I learned that he was about to send it to 
> the crusher. It's done only 400K mi but has not been well maintained. 
> Blows a bit of smoke and the paintwork is pretty dire (as well as being 
> faded, it's a hideous canary yellow). No rust as far as I could see.
> 
> Given that W123 wagons are relatively rare in New Zealand, it grieves me 
> to see anything with salvageable parts go to the crusher. So I made 
> encouraging noises to the owner about buying it from him, for parts.
> 
> Question is though, are body panels, lights, seats, windows, doors, 
> exhaust system etc (i.e., anything other than engine and drive-train) 
> interchangeable with my 1985 300TD?
> 
> Given that SWMBO will not look fondly upon any such acquisition, 
> hell-bent as she is to dispose of the 300TD, I'd have to be sure that my 
> arguments were sound
> 
> Thanks for your advice
> 
> Euan
> 
> CHCH
> NZ
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[MBZ] I'm in The Wrong Business...A Fresh Alignment...Jacks

[Robert Rentfro]

Chuck, Mr. Jim

 

Got the old girl aligned at Jacks on Thomas at 29th St.the place Bud
mentioned. Had him do the upper bushings and the steering damper and then an
alignment. I supplied the steering damper, he got the upper bushing (since I
didn't plan ahead and get them from Rusty). Got there at 0715 and was out by
0920. By the time he had the parts secured and started work it was more like
0750. He charged $300 labor. I nearly had a stroke. He was trying to
convince me that is the going rate. I don't think it is. Am I wrong?  Do I
need to call Bud?

 

Car sure drives nicely now, by the way.

 

Bob R

 

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Re: [MBZ] Florida rodbender

[Allan Streib]

Hm munged link try this.

http://tinyurl.com/32blka

On Jan 5, 2008, at 9:55 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1991-Mercedes-Benz-350-SDL-Turbo-
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[MBZ] Florida rodbender

[Allan Streib]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1991-Mercedes-Benz-350-SDL-Turbo- 
Diesel-Sedan- 
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Re: [MBZ] Smart crash test

[Hendrik & Fay]

According to Euro NCAP the smart did way better than a W202
http://www.euroncap.com/tests/smart_fortwo_2007/303.aspx
http://www.euroncap.com/tests/smart_forfour_2005/224.aspx
http://www.euroncap.com/tests/mercedes_benz_c_class_1997/18.aspx

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> > and they are faster than a Farrari 
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV1zQMcSsk0
>> Perhaps it's time to trade the C class in :-)>>
>>
>> 
> No, not "those ones," which are just stunts with no scientific value.
>
> I suggest you look at the Euro-NCAP offset crash tests published in the 
> December 19 edition of Auto Motor und Sport in which the Mercedes W204, 
> Renault 
> Laguna, Chrysler Voyager, Fiat 500. Peugeot 308, Honda Civic hybrid, VW 
> Tiguan, 
> Peugeot 207 CC, VW Eos and Smart FORTWO try to move the barrier with their 
> noses. The worst-in-test Chrysler Voyager's instrumented front seat 
> "passengers" 
> do badly. the Smart better with upper leg injuries in both seats and the 
> Mercedes not quite as good as the Renault.
>
> RLE
>
>
>
>   

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Re: [MBZ] OT Dakar Rally

[Chuck Landenberger]

I guess the racers could be equipped w/50's and launchers and get  
extra points for how many they can score!

Just a thought

Chuck
On Jan 5, 2008, at 4:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Thanks, Chuck,
>
> I am on the VS channel's mailing list and they?sent the notice out  
> today.? It sure looks like it is canceled!
>
> Jim
> -Original Message-
> From: Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Sent: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 6:52 pm
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Dakar Rally
>
>
>
> Jim,
>
> Unless this is a last minute change, the Dakar has been  
> cancelled...
>
> Check this link:   http://www.thetimes.co.za/News/Article.aspx? 
> id=673196
>
> Take care,
>
> Chuck
> On Jan 5, 2008, at 3:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>>
>>
>> Dakar rally starts tomorrow on VS channel, 3:30pm eastern time.
>> Check your listings
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Dakar Rally

[jfreezn]

Thanks, Chuck,

I am on the VS channel's mailing list and they?sent the notice out today.? It 
sure looks like it is canceled!

Jim
-Original Message-
From: Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 6:52 pm
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Dakar Rally



Jim,

Unless this is a last minute change, the Dakar has been cancelled...

Check this link:   http://www.thetimes.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=673196

Take care,

Chuck
On Jan 5, 2008, at 3:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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Re: [MBZ] bad motor and its still going for this much?

[Allan Streib]

Wow it only got bid up to $4200 did not meet the reserve.

Allan

On Jan 5, 2008, at 12:02 PM, dave walton wrote:

> There was concern that once they bored the 3.0 to make a 3.5 there was
> not enough metal left to support the sleeve. The 3.0, the original
> 3.5's and the earliest remanufactured 3.5's do not have sleeves. I
> went over this with Marshall when I was working on my 3.5. He was
> pretty sure that all the remanufactured 3.5's we saw in this country
> had sleeves - but was not 100% sure. A few might have slipped in. They
> supposedly worked out the bugs in Germany when the 3.5's first started
> failing.
>
> If I had known of the rod issues, I would not have purchased my S350.
> In retrospect, I'm glad I did because it's such as sweet ride even
> with the high maintenance costs.
>
> -Dave Walton
>
> On Jan 4, 2008 9:16 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Why was it said they could not be sleeved?  Do the 3.0 603's have  
>> sleeves?
>>
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>> - Original Message -
>> From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] bad motor and its still going for this much?
>>
>>
>>
>>> Marshall said that Mercedes did not disclose everything they did  
>>> while
>>> remanufacturing the engine. It was thus impossible for any  
>>> aftermarket
>>> shop to do the same job.
>>> He also pointed out that Mercedes later reversed themselves and
>>> started sleeving the engines during remanufacture.
>>>
>>> -Dave Walton
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2008 8:55 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Tom Hargrave wrote:
>
> Marshall stated that the factory rebuilt replacement engine  
> solved the
> bent
> rod issue. This does not keep an independent from purchasing the
> redesigned
> rods & rebuilding an engine that will last just as long.

 It does if they can't bore or resleeve the cylinders. I don't  
 remember
 the details, but Marshall was of the opinion that only the factory
 was able to recondition the 350 blocks so that they lasted like a
 new engine. (or did the factory simply use a new block with the old
 crank etc?)
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Re: [MBZ] Working McD's

[Allan Streib]

What the heck are you talking about???

Profits in the restaurant biz are far from "unimaginable", especially  
in fast food there is too much competition.

Please enlighten us as to this alleged "abuse" I worked there for a  
number of years in high school and college and there was never any  
kind of treatment of employees that I would even call unfair much  
less abusive, even in retrospect.


On Jan 5, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Peter Frederick wrote:

> McD's treatment of employees is criminal.  The whole enterprise is
> predicated on abusing young workers who don't know enough to demand
> proper and fair treatment and pay at work.  The profits are almost
> unimaginable, the food is crap, and the abuse astonishing.
>
> Needless to say, in other parts of the world  they can't abuse their
> employees anywhere near as much, and have to pay much better wages,
> too.  I think even in the Third World.
>
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] OT Dakar Rally

[Chuck Landenberger]

Jim,

Unless this is a last minute change, the Dakar has been cancelled...

Check this link:   http://www.thetimes.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=673196

Take care,

Chuck
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Re: [MBZ] OT

[jfreezn]

Dakar rally starts tomorrow on VS channel, 3:30pm eastern time. Check your 
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[MBZ] MB Road Rally

[John Robbins]

Some folks over at MB Shop have put together a road rally...  I don't 
know if I'm going to go or not, but figured some of you might be interested.

http://silverstar1000.com/

http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=208158
http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=209884

John

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Re: [MBZ] OT - driving Houston

[OK Don]

OK - thanks!

On Jan 4, 2008 11:53 PM, Rich Thomas
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Avoid the east side.  Avoid it like the plague.  Nothing there worth
> seeing.  Nothing there worth risking your life and possessions for.
>
> Not sure what the issue was on 45 today, although there are always
> trucks turning over and dumping loads at rush hour.  Sunday AM
> everything should be copacetic.
>
> --R
>
> OK Don wrote:
> > It took 2 hours to drive I-45 through Houston to Webster this eveing.
> > Would taking the East beltway be easier/faster, even though it's 9
> > more miles? Anything on the East side worth driving through to see
> > when we leave Sunday AM?
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Working McD's

[Tom Hargrave]

M, McDiesel.

"Would you like to super size that fill-up today?"

Tom
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- Original Message -
From: Kevin Kraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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CC: 
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After I quit in a fairly spectacular and disgusting fashion they
continued 
to call once or twice a day to get me to go back

Details, details, details, please.

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula

PS.  It's too bad that their grease isn't fit for use as WVO or
biodiesel. 
I guess they won't be selling McDiesel anytime soon. 


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Re: [MBZ] Working McD's

[Kevin Kraly]

After I quit in a fairly spectacular and disgusting fashion they continued 
to call once or twice a day to get me to go back

Details, details, details, please.

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula

PS.  It's too bad that their grease isn't fit for use as WVO or biodiesel. 
I guess they won't be selling McDiesel anytime soon. 


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Re: [MBZ] Cokes

[Tom Hargrave]

Coffee & 2 donuts are cheaper, and the combo works better because the
carbs last longer.

And now you know why the police have late night donuts & coffee.

Tom
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- Original Message -
From: Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Received: 1/5/08 12:32 PM
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CC: 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cokes

Yeah, and the price was freaking outrageous.  I had no idea what they
cost
until after it was rang up at the cash register.  Never again...

On Jan 5, 2008 9:23 AM, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Red Bull is 19.9% sugar, 0.1% caffene and 80% marketing.
>
> It's a great high carb boost but they have definitely pushed marketing
> "to the edge".
>
> Tom
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>
> I tried Red Bull for the first time yesterday--no wings have sprouted,
> yet
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Re: [MBZ] Cokes

[Zeitgeist]

I think it was something like $2.38 for one 8 oz can--insane

On Jan 5, 2008 9:39 AM, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> How much is it in the US?
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Re: [MBZ] Cokes

[Jeff Zedic]

How much is it in the US?

I can buy it for the equivalent of $3 back home. I don't drink it but have
done as a great hangover cure. I can of Red Bull, two paracetemol and you're
golden.

Jeff Zedic
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Re: [MBZ] Cokes

[Zeitgeist]

Yeah, and the price was freaking outrageous.  I had no idea what they cost
until after it was rang up at the cash register.  Never again...

On Jan 5, 2008 9:23 AM, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Red Bull is 19.9% sugar, 0.1% caffene and 80% marketing.
>
> It's a great high carb boost but they have definitely pushed marketing
> "to the edge".
>
> Tom
> www.kegkits.com
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>
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>
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Re: [MBZ] Cokes

[Tom Hargrave]

Red Bull is 19.9% sugar, 0.1% caffene and 80% marketing.

It's a great high carb boost but they have definitely pushed marketing
"to the edge".

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] Cokes

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Re: [MBZ] bad motor and its still going for this much?

[dave walton]

There was concern that once they bored the 3.0 to make a 3.5 there was
not enough metal left to support the sleeve. The 3.0, the original
3.5's and the earliest remanufactured 3.5's do not have sleeves. I
went over this with Marshall when I was working on my 3.5. He was
pretty sure that all the remanufactured 3.5's we saw in this country
had sleeves - but was not 100% sure. A few might have slipped in. They
supposedly worked out the bugs in Germany when the 3.5's first started
failing.

If I had known of the rod issues, I would not have purchased my S350.
In retrospect, I'm glad I did because it's such as sweet ride even
with the high maintenance costs.

-Dave Walton

On Jan 4, 2008 9:16 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why was it said they could not be sleeved?  Do the 3.0 603's have sleeves?
>
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> Cox Auto Trader
> 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] bad motor and its still going for this much?
>
>
>
> > Marshall said that Mercedes did not disclose everything they did while
> > remanufacturing the engine. It was thus impossible for any aftermarket
> > shop to do the same job.
> > He also pointed out that Mercedes later reversed themselves and
> > started sleeving the engines during remanufacture.
> >
> > -Dave Walton
> >
> >
> > On Jan 3, 2008 8:55 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Tom Hargrave wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Marshall stated that the factory rebuilt replacement engine solved the
> >> > bent
> >> > rod issue. This does not keep an independent from purchasing the
> >> > redesigned
> >> > rods & rebuilding an engine that will last just as long.
> >>
> >> It does if they can't bore or resleeve the cylinders. I don't remember
> >> the details, but Marshall was of the opinion that only the factory
> >> was able to recondition the 350 blocks so that they lasted like a
> >> new engine. (or did the factory simply use a new block with the old
> >> crank etc?)
> >> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OU stinking up the tostitos again!

[Gary Hurst]

the problem is in the modern era when the teams have gone pro. in the early
days, a bunch of harvard STUDENTS would get together with a bunch of yale
STUDENTS and play some early version of football.

somehow between ww2 and the 70s, the game went big time and pro.  it became
about nothing more than finding the best mercenaries to assure victory,
details be damned.  100k people go see this live and millions watch it on
tv.

real college football still exists.  a thousand people go watch it and the
game is maybe carried by the campus radio station.

ooh, gotta go.  a college football game is about to kick off on espn!

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> Mitch Haley wrote:
>
> > Who cares, it's only taxpayer's money, right?
>
> A university needs a football team like a fish needs a bicycle.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT booting from a floppy

[dave walton]

You are in the wrong place. That's the repair console.
Reboot from CD. Install XP, Repair existing installation.

-Dave Walton

On Jan 4, 2008 9:05 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have gone into the repair deal, but iirc, it take you to a command prompt
> thing and from there I have not been able to figure out.
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> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 6:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT booting from a floppy
>
>
> > Hi Kaleb,
> >It's been a while since I tried it, but IIRC, when the XP Install
> > window
> > opens, you get a choice of Installing, Repairing or Uninstalling.  It's
> > been
> > a while.  You're probaby just not seeing it.
> >
> > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Rick Knoble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 4:15 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT booting from a floppy
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> >>
>  OK, got this computer that runs xp that has been screwing up now wont
>  boot because its missing a file. OK, no big deal I think.  I will make
>  a
>  boot disk an copy the file in from dos and see what happens.  Wrong.
>  Computer boots up but will not let me switch to the partition I need to
>  get to the windows directory.
> >>>
> >>> My kids computer did the same thing. I ended up doing a repair install
> >>> with the XP cd. Worked like a champ. However, there was a problem with
> >>> windows update after that. I had to re-register some dlls.
> >>>
> >>> Rick Knoble
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Re: [MBZ] Cokes

[Tom Hargrave]

Try the Mexican Nescafe' instant coffee if you are a coffee drinker & you
will be surprised at the difference.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cokes

when I was in San Diego I could get a case of Mexican Coca-Cola (made with
sugar and not corn syrup) for $18 in 12oz new bottles.  Tasted a little
flat, though.  But still tasty.

On Jan 5, 2008 1:01 AM, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Some stores here in Occupied Aztlan sell the meskin cokiecola, daughter
> unit buys a bottle occasionally to get "The Real Thing"  (who remembers
> that?)
>
> --R
>
> Redghost wrote:
> > A case of cane sugar coke here in Seattle is $25.00.  It is in the
> > tall bottles and tastes like heaven.  Not even the junk in small
> > glass bottles you get in the touristy south taste half as good though
> > it too cost $1/bottle.
> >
> > clay
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> >
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Re: [MBZ] Cokes

[Sunil Hari]

when I was in San Diego I could get a case of Mexican Coca-Cola (made with
sugar and not corn syrup) for $18 in 12oz new bottles.  Tasted a little
flat, though.  But still tasty.

On Jan 5, 2008 1:01 AM, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Some stores here in Occupied Aztlan sell the meskin cokiecola, daughter
> unit buys a bottle occasionally to get "The Real Thing"  (who remembers
> that?)
>
> --R
>
> Redghost wrote:
> > A case of cane sugar coke here in Seattle is $25.00.  It is in the
> > tall bottles and tastes like heaven.  Not even the junk in small
> > glass bottles you get in the touristy south taste half as good though
> > it too cost $1/bottle.
> >
> > clay
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Yeager et al

[Scott Ritchey]

Yeager had a bit part.  He was the guy in the bar that said "you wanna
beer?"

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On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 00:57
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yeager et al

"The Right Stuff" was on some HD channel last night, that was one of the 
elements of the movie.

--R

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> <> legend
>> out at Edwards.  See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancho_Barnes>>
>>
>> 
> I am aware.
>
> RLE
>
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Re: [MBZ] O/T OBD 11 Scan Tool

[Rich Thomas]

I think all you need is a cable (which last I checked were like $80 -- 
there is a link in one below) and there is a bunch of free software out 
there once you can connect to the car.  Also for Palm Pilots.

http://www.obd-2.com/#download
http://forums.evolutionm.net/archive/index.php/t-138609.html
http://students.db.erau.edu/~szabafab/stein/

A lister was developing some stuff  http://www.sterntech.com/index.php

--R

Peter T. Arnold wrote:
> I'm looking to purchase a scan tool to use on my vehicle (Several
> makes). 
> I prefer on that would interface with my laptop.
>
> Any info or suggestions woul be appreciated.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
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Re: [MBZ] Working McD's

[Robert Rentfro]

Back in high school my wife (she wasn't my wife then you wise guys) worked
at McD's and I worked in the sewer for my dad. Guess who smelled worse at
the end of the day?

Bob R.


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On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 8:00 AM
To: Diesel List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Working McD's


The most degrading horrible place I've ever worked. The only good point
where 2 cute girls I never did steal away from their boyfriends.

I think its mostly the management, we had mostly horrible managers which
really set the tone for the place.

After I quit in a fairly spectacular and disgusting fashion they continued
to call once or twice a day to get me to go back

-Curt

Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 16:07:45 -0500
From: Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] coffee is hot, milkshakes are cold, and it's all
 about profit
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I'll admit they maintain high quality control over their beef but its
> like 50% lean...

No, it's actually around 80% lean.  I think the quarter pounders are a
little less lean and the 10:1 are a little more.  There was the awful
"McLean" patty that they tried for a while, it was really low fat but
tasted terrible and nobody bought it.

> Oh and to go with Hursty, McD's was the worst job I ever had. I
> ended my tenure there by getting good and drung and blowing chunks
> all over the drive thru...

hm.  I thought it was a pretty good job for a high school/college kid
when I was there.  We had a fun bunch of people working there, I guess
experiences vary.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Working McD's

[Peter Frederick]

McD's treatment of employees is criminal.  The whole enterprise is 
predicated on abusing young workers who don't know enough to demand 
proper and fair treatment and pay at work.  The profits are almost 
unimaginable, the food is crap, and the abuse astonishing.

Needless to say, in other parts of the world  they can't abuse their 
employees anywhere near as much, and have to pay much better wages, 
too.  I think even in the Third World.

Peter


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[MBZ] OT: Eating well

[Rich Thomas]

In which little Billy's tight collar impedes his gustation.

http://www.archive.org/details/GoodEati1951

Some amazing stuff here.

--R

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Re: [MBZ] Only ONE Complaint

[Curt Raymond]

Chuck,

I totally know where you're coming from. My perscription is to hit the closest 
bookstore and pick up "The Color of Magic" by Terry Pratchet.
Learn about the worst wizard that ever lived and his adventures on the 
discworld. After all you'll need something to read on the plane...

-Curt


Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:18:11 -1000
From: Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Only ONE Complaint
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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Curt,

Sorta' my feeling that the "Burglars Network" informs other  
miscreants "There ain't nuthin' left!"

All in all it really sucks!

Chuck

   
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Re: [MBZ] Working McD's

[Curt Raymond]

The most degrading horrible place I've ever worked. The only good point where 2 
cute girls I never did steal away from their boyfriends.

I think its mostly the management, we had mostly horrible managers which really 
set the tone for the place.

After I quit in a fairly spectacular and disgusting fashion they continued to 
call once or twice a day to get me to go back

-Curt

Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 16:07:45 -0500
From: Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] coffee is hot, milkshakes are cold, and it's all
 about profit
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I'll admit they maintain high quality control over their beef but its
> like 50% lean...

No, it's actually around 80% lean.  I think the quarter pounders are a
little less lean and the 10:1 are a little more.  There was the awful
"McLean" patty that they tried for a while, it was really low fat but
tasted terrible and nobody bought it.

> Oh and to go with Hursty, McD's was the worst job I ever had. I
> ended my tenure there by getting good and drung and blowing chunks
> all over the drive thru...

hm.  I thought it was a pretty good job for a high school/college kid
when I was there.  We had a fun bunch of people working there, I guess
experiences vary.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Discussion List: coffee is hot, milkshakes are cold, and it's all about profit

[Curt Raymond]

*smile*
When I was there we had a filter thing you ran the grease through every day. 
Then once a week or once every two weeks (I forget) you pumped the grease into 
it (the filter thing was like a shop vac on wheels) and rolled it out to a 
garage that had a grease dumpster and pumped from the vac thing into the 
dumpster.

Well one time I rolled it out to the dumpster and the power went out... We were 
all worried about keeping cold food cold and didn't think about the grease. So 
15 minutes later it occured to me, by that time I had a solid brick of fat...
I went to Wal-Mart across the street and bought a paint stripper so when the 
power came back on I could heat it up enough to pump.

One time a kid tried to walk across the surface of the grease dumpster which 
was about 1/2 full. He sank to his thighs in grease He went swimming in the 
ocean off the town dock and you could see the dogfish appear like magic...

I only worked at McDs 1 month but oh the stories.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 15:48:03 -0500
From: "andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Discussion List: coffee is hot, milkshakes
 are cold, and it's all about profit
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Ok, Curt - I'll bite.  There has to be a great anecdote in there.

On Jan 4, 2008 3:17 PM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Says who? I worked there in '95 and scooped vegetable shortening from
 a 5
> gallon bucket (similar to an ice cream bucket) into the fryer...
> When you drained the "oil" you had to get it into the oil dumpster
 within
> 15 minutes or it'd solidify and wouldn't pump. Ask me how I know THAT
 one!
>
> -Curt

   
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[MBZ] O/T OBD 11 Scan Tool

[Peter T . Arnold]

I'm looking to purchase a scan tool to use on my vehicle (Several
makes). 
I prefer on that would interface with my laptop.

Any info or suggestions woul be appreciated.

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Re: [MBZ] bcs dissatisfaction

[Luther]

After their embarrassing game Wednesday night?  HAHAHAHAHAHA. 
BZZT,
WRONG!

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Re: [MBZ] bcs dissatisfaction

[Luther]

Do you remember that the second time Missouri played OU?  The score was 38-17
and OU is the only REAL team that you played this year (2 losses), the 
rest are
over-rated fluff.  Did you see the way your former opponent Illinois was
manhandled by USC?  Did you see the same feat that Hawaii suffered at 
the hands
of Georgia?  USC, LSU, Georgia, Ohio St and W.Virginia (I was impressed 
Lt.) are
the top teams in the nation, no questions.  Anyone else in the BCS games were
just lucky to be there. 

I am not bitter.  Arkansas played the worst game of the last 2 years against
Missouri.  The first drive of the game was ALMOST what our offense is
normallycapable of, and it seemed that we handily moved the ball the length of
the field on your defense for that drive.  You say you stopped D-Mac 
and Jones?
Sure, the rest of the team never stepped up around them.  If they would have
played HALF as good as they are capable, this game would have been a 
battle. If
we play as well as we did against LSU, you would have lost by 2 TDs or more. 
Arkansas had a coach who didn't give a damn about the future of our 
program and
that hurt.  The coaches we had were lame ducks, and probably will never have
their own head coaching jobs anywhere in the future. 

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Quoting Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Luther wrote:
>
>
>
> "Correction.  Arkansas failed to show up.  Missouri really didn't look
> that
>
> good. 
>
>
>
> If Missouri would play USC, Georgia, LSU, or Ohio St., they would loose
> by
>
> 21 or more."
>
>
>
> Sounds like you are a bitter Arkansas fan to me.   Missouri played VERY
> well.  They stopped McFadden and Jones OVER AND OVER.  Missouri was
> executing perfectly.  Missouri was nearly perfectly balanced in terms of
> running and passing. 
>
>
>
> I don't believe that Missouri would lose to LSU, OSU, Georgia, or USC. 
> (But, of course we will never know) I do know the only team to beat
> Mizzou was Oklahoma.  I also know that Mizzou beat KU and Illinois (both
> BCS teams).  I also know that Missouri is the ONLY TEAM IN DIVISION 1
> football to score more than 31 points in every single game it played
> this year. 
>
>
>
>
>
> I also know that Mizzou beat Illinois who beat Ohio State and we beat
> Arkansas who beat LSU. 
>
>
>
>
>
> Donald H. Snook
>



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