Re: [MBZ] [OT] Football
My understanding is that it originated around the time of the American civil war, when a bunch of white southerners would get together to terrorize the plantation workers into behaving themselves and not go running off. Sort of an early version of the KKK and would wear a red bandanna around their necks to signify their belonging to this gang. I don't think the term redneck is racist because it does not apply to a whole race but is derogatory, although some may be proud to be rednecks. Like the term hillbilly or flatlanders. Then you get into the grey area of slang terms for people of a certain country like krauts, frogs and poms. Hendrik who likes to make up history as he goes along, easier that way Jim Cathey wrote: Redneck is racist? How so? Not really. But can be associated with it. Anyone know where it originated? Farmers/ranchers. White people who worked out in the sun all day. Their necks get red. Don't see how it could really apply to a black. Usually associated with conservative and/or reactionary values, and a general lack of education. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [OT] Football
Hendrik Fay wrote: My understanding is that it originated around the time of the American civil war, when a bunch of white southerners would get together to terrorize the plantation workers into behaving themselves and not go running off. So a redneck cracker is a redneck whipcracker? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE
Gary wrote short and wide are thought to look cooler though, which is all that matters IMHO, it looks stupid on cars not designed for it - like a Chevette or 87 300SDL both look strange with very low profile tires and chrome wheels. Nothing looks worse on a car then trying to make it something it's not. A modern Ferrari looks good with very low profile tires (but never chrome wheels) but a classic Ferrari would look very strange. I saw a late 80s Chev Impala (the big one) with very low profile tires and chrome wheels and nothing could look stranger IMO. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE the irony is that to most people in most situations, tall and narrow is a lot better than short and wide. short and wide are thought to look cooler though, which is all that matters to most in the end. On Feb 19, 2008 4:48 PM, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried to tell a young aquaintence of mine that. Four expensive tires and and two rims later, he agreed. Peter -Original Message- From: Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Feb 19, 2008 12:16 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE Low profile tires can give very tight riding on rails steering but they are more vulnerable to potholes, etc. But the main point is that the suspension has to be designed for the tires. Low profile tires require a soft suspension because the tire has so little give. Put a lower profile tire on a car than it was designed for and you get a real harsh ride ... the suspension is too stiff for the tire. Ritchey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 11:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300TE On Feb 17, 2008 4:20 PM, Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never drove a superroo so can't comment but I should imagine that it would be like most Japanese cars, reliably boring and just not a drivers car. I'm with you on most Japanese cars, but the recent Subarus I've driven have been exceptions to the rule, with a lot of character. My girlfriend's mom has an '06 or '07 Legacy with the same turbo engine as the WRX---that car is a blast to drive though rather rough riding due to the optional 18 or some such ridiculously oversized rims she was talked into getting. If I had one of those cars (actually, if I had ANY new car) I would immediately swap the huge wheels and low-profile tires they all seem to come with now for something with a sidewall appreciably thicker than my thumb. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biggest tire on 300D. was: Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE
John Freer wrote: How did you compensate for the speedo/odo being out of whack? While driving home (the only long trip I ever took in the car), I didn't realize the speedo was out of whack, I was lucky to not get a ticket. The odo was dead, so I just topped off the tank every 300 miles when the Corolla ran dry and calculated my mileage off the odo in the Corolla. MPG on an overtired tired W116 300SD was within 10% of a 1993 Corolla wagon at those speeds. Locally, I typically drive slow enough that the speedo doesn't matter. Now that I've got the odo fixed, I should take it out on the freeway long enough to get a good idea how far off the gauges are from the mile markers. First step would be replacing the interior after a racoon ate the leather seats. It's been over a year now, and I can look at the car thinking ok, how do I fix this? instead of just turning away in disgust. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [OT] Football
Usually associated with conservative and/or reactionary values, and a general lack of education. -- Jim Finally!!Someone gives the world proof! Bush is a redneck! Woohoo! (And the people rejoiced and life was good) Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] brake caliper interchangebaility - W126 300SD W123 240D
are they interchangeable? - front brake calipers, that is? Thanks! Chris CSSML NDSMD + VRSNSMV SMQLIVB -1985 300SD, 369K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 58K mi, Der Abschleppwagen '75 240D, '80 300SD, '85 300Dt '84 300Dt -Anke Sammy von der Burg Austerlitz (GSDs) Nanook (Siberian Husky) - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
Gas and diesel shot up this morning here in Wichita. I would guess it did the same thing everywhere. Regular unleaded 3.09 premium 3.29 and diesel is 3.39. I am thinking next time, I have to take a long trip for work, I am going to rent a car. 17 on the highway in my Expedition hurts Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:12:02 -0600 Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gas and diesel shot up this morning here in Wichita. I would guess it did the same thing everywhere. Regular unleaded 3.09 premium 3.29 and diesel is 3.39. Ours went up a few days ago. 3.039 for regular and 3.529 for diesel. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE
i would tend to agree, but the people buying rims to look cool certainly do not agree with us. i think it's fashion. give it time and tall and skinny will be back in. this will be right after every idiot wanting short and fat will finally be sold their rims. then a new style will become necessary. now leave me alone as i'm having trouble getting these 20s on my chevette! On Feb 20, 2008 7:23 AM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary wrote short and wide are thought to look cooler though, which is all that matters IMHO, it looks stupid on cars not designed for it - like a Chevette or 87 300SDL both look strange with very low profile tires and chrome wheels. Nothing looks worse on a car then trying to make it something it's not. A modern Ferrari looks good with very low profile tires (but never chrome wheels) but a classic Ferrari would look very strange. I saw a late 80s Chev Impala (the big one) with very low profile tires and chrome wheels and nothing could look stranger IMO. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE the irony is that to most people in most situations, tall and narrow is a lot better than short and wide. short and wide are thought to look cooler though, which is all that matters to most in the end. On Feb 19, 2008 4:48 PM, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried to tell a young aquaintence of mine that. Four expensive tires and and two rims later, he agreed. Peter -Original Message- From: Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Feb 19, 2008 12:16 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE Low profile tires can give very tight riding on rails steering but they are more vulnerable to potholes, etc. But the main point is that the suspension has to be designed for the tires. Low profile tires require a soft suspension because the tire has so little give. Put a lower profile tire on a car than it was designed for and you get a real harsh ride ... the suspension is too stiff for the tire. Ritchey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 11:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300TE On Feb 17, 2008 4:20 PM, Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never drove a superroo so can't comment but I should imagine that it would be like most Japanese cars, reliably boring and just not a drivers car. I'm with you on most Japanese cars, but the recent Subarus I've driven have been exceptions to the rule, with a lot of character. My girlfriend's mom has an '06 or '07 Legacy with the same turbo engine as the WRX---that car is a blast to drive though rather rough riding due to the optional 18 or some such ridiculously oversized rims she was talked into getting. If I had one of those cars (actually, if I had ANY new car) I would immediately swap the huge wheels and low-profile tires they all seem to come with now for something with a sidewall appreciably thicker than my thumb. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL
Re: [MBZ] [OT) Football
that is casuals On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought it had more to do with knock-off designer stuff and sweat suits pants with Izod shirts...more of a clothing thing. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Zedic Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 12:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] [OT) Football Bzzzt, wrong. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/chav Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. Alex, That's not the definition as we understand it in the UK...well, at least among the people I know. There's no Romanis there but lots of pikies, Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
light crude hit $100 yesterday, up $4. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE
Secret is to install them before you inflate them. One small problem is your turning radius is now 120 yards, so plan your turns well in advance. ;-) Ed 300E On 20/02/2008, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i would tend to agree, but the people buying rims to look cool certainly do not agree with us. i think it's fashion. give it time and tall and skinny will be back in. this will be right after every idiot wanting short and fat will finally be sold their rims. then a new style will become necessary. now leave me alone as i'm having trouble getting these 20s on my chevette! On Feb 20, 2008 7:23 AM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary wrote short and wide are thought to look cooler though, which is all that matters IMHO, it looks stupid on cars not designed for it - like a Chevette or 87 300SDL both look strange with very low profile tires and chrome wheels. Nothing looks worse on a car then trying to make it something it's not. A modern Ferrari looks good with very low profile tires (but never chrome wheels) but a classic Ferrari would look very strange. I saw a late 80s Chev Impala (the big one) with very low profile tires and chrome wheels and nothing could look stranger IMO. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake caliper interchangebaility - W126 300SD W123 240
they interchange only if you change the brake disks from the 126 as well. I have On Feb 20, 2008 5:55 AM, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: are they interchangeable? - front brake calipers, that is? Thanks! Chris CSSML NDSMD + VRSNSMV SMQLIVB -1985 300SD, 369K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 58K mi, Der Abschleppwagen '75 240D, '80 300SD, '85 300Dt '84 300Dt -Anke Sammy von der Burg Austerlitz (GSDs) Nanook (Siberian Husky) - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Rory Morrison Oroville, WA 1985 300SD 1982 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
Gas and diesel shot up this morning here in Wichita. Refinery fire the other day in Texas (?). Talking head said that it was actually a pretty small refinery, but that the market would probably react disproportionately. I'm sure gas prices shot up in speculation, not due to any actual shortage in supply. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake caliper interchangebaility - W126 300SD W123 240
i started to say, i have the 126 front brakes on my 300TD. easy swap, maybe change the front wheel bearings while you have everything apart. On Feb 20, 2008 5:55 AM, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: are they interchangeable? - front brake calipers, that is? Thanks! Chris CSSML NDSMD + VRSNSMV SMQLIVB -1985 300SD, 369K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 58K mi, Der Abschleppwagen '75 240D, '80 300SD, '85 300Dt '84 300Dt -Anke Sammy von der Burg Austerlitz (GSDs) Nanook (Siberian Husky) - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Rory Morrison Oroville, WA 1985 300SD 1982 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
sounds pretty good, diesel has been 3.69 to 3.89 all winter here in WA On Feb 20, 2008 7:21 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gas and diesel shot up this morning here in Wichita. Refinery fire the other day in Texas (?). Talking head said that it was actually a pretty small refinery, but that the market would probably react disproportionately. I'm sure gas prices shot up in speculation, not due to any actual shortage in supply. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Rory Morrison Oroville, WA 1985 300SD 1982 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biggest tire on 300D. was: Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE
You're probably right, Ed, but since it worked on my '67 200D, it might work on my '83 300D. Gerry -- - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] To If you do go with those larger tires, and then take them off due to handling, you probably just wasted way more money than had you just stuck to the factory tire size and paid the few cents more per tank for fuel. Ed 300E On 20/02/2008, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] yes, a wide variety. OK Don wrote: Maybe stick to the factory circumference, but change the gear ratio in the rear end - I suspect that Kaleb has a wide variety to chose from. On Feb 19, 2008 5:56 PM, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not something I'd play with, stick to factory with circumference. You're better off just pushing a little less hard on the gas pedal to save the bit of gas different tires would make. Aw, c'mon, Gerry just wants to be the first on his block to have a donked Benz. Alex Thanks guys. You're right; I should leave well enough alone, or at most change the diff. But the opportunity to save a few dollars, and the fact that it's a lot easier to change tires than change diffs back and forth makes it hard to pass up the tire change experiment. If I can find a couple of tires in the sizes Mitch mentions, I'll try 'em. If it makes the steering too squirrelly, I'll take 'em off. If I wrap it around a tree and go to my reward, well, it was nice knowing all of you. (-:] Gerry P.S. I will order a diff and a left half axle and a bunch of other stuff from Kaleb after he gets caught up. This diff is getting louder all the time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
Jim Cathey wrote: Refinery fire the other day in Texas (?). Talking head said that it was actually a pretty small refinery, but that the market would probably react disproportionately. I'm sure gas prices shot up in speculation, not due to any actual shortage in supply. What I like is when the price of crude jumps in response to a reduced ability to refine it. Totally bassackwards, but that's the way it always seems to go. The senseless jumps in crude are usually shortable, april contracts are back down to 98.55 already. $1450 a contract for going short at $100 isn't a huge gain, but it makes a nice day's pay. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Car maintenance tip of the day
Well, WalMart is the only place locally that I can find the correct stuff so who knows? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 9:03 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car maintenance tip of the day the ex wife calls me asking what sort of coolant to buy at pep boys. so i tell her to get teh correct spec fluid for $14 a bottle. she made the mistake of mentioning this to a coworker, who explained that coolant is $4.99 a bottle at walmart and that she is a fool. so i get yelled at all day. it's not always easy to do the right thing and how ever did you restore that car and still retain the original coolant anyway? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE
Remember the drag racer look back in the 70's? It was popular to have huge tires on the back of your Camaro and little one's on the front. Everything for style and nothing for handling. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE i would tend to agree, but the people buying rims to look cool certainly do not agree with us. i think it's fashion. give it time and tall and skinny will be back in. this will be right after every idiot wanting short and fat will finally be sold their rims. then a new style will become necessary. now leave me alone as i'm having trouble getting these 20s on my chevette! On Feb 20, 2008 7:23 AM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary wrote short and wide are thought to look cooler though, which is all that matters IMHO, it looks stupid on cars not designed for it - like a Chevette or 87 300SDL both look strange with very low profile tires and chrome wheels. Nothing looks worse on a car then trying to make it something it's not. A modern Ferrari looks good with very low profile tires (but never chrome wheels) but a classic Ferrari would look very strange. I saw a late 80s Chev Impala (the big one) with very low profile tires and chrome wheels and nothing could look stranger IMO. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE the irony is that to most people in most situations, tall and narrow is a lot better than short and wide. short and wide are thought to look cooler though, which is all that matters to most in the end. On Feb 19, 2008 4:48 PM, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried to tell a young aquaintence of mine that. Four expensive tires and and two rims later, he agreed. Peter -Original Message- From: Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Feb 19, 2008 12:16 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE Low profile tires can give very tight riding on rails steering but they are more vulnerable to potholes, etc. But the main point is that the suspension has to be designed for the tires. Low profile tires require a soft suspension because the tire has so little give. Put a lower profile tire on a car than it was designed for and you get a real harsh ride ... the suspension is too stiff for the tire. Ritchey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 11:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300TE On Feb 17, 2008 4:20 PM, Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never drove a superroo so can't comment but I should imagine that it would be like most Japanese cars, reliably boring and just not a drivers car. I'm with you on most Japanese cars, but the recent Subarus I've driven have been exceptions to the rule, with a lot of character. My girlfriend's mom has an '06 or '07 Legacy with the same turbo engine as the WRX---that car is a blast to drive though rather rough riding due to the optional 18 or some such ridiculously oversized rims she was talked into getting. If I had one of those cars (actually, if I had ANY new car) I would immediately swap the huge wheels and low-profile tires they all seem to come with now for something with a sidewall appreciably thicker than my thumb. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___
Re: [MBZ] Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE
I think one that looks even stranger is the big 4 wheel drive SUV with wide low profile tires and huge chromed wheels. Can't you just see it going offroad through the mud? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 6:23 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE Gary wrote short and wide are thought to look cooler though, which is all that matters IMHO, it looks stupid on cars not designed for it - like a Chevette or 87 300SDL both look strange with very low profile tires and chrome wheels. Nothing looks worse on a car then trying to make it something it's not. A modern Ferrari looks good with very low profile tires (but never chrome wheels) but a classic Ferrari would look very strange. I saw a late 80s Chev Impala (the big one) with very low profile tires and chrome wheels and nothing could look stranger IMO. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE
Also, look out for bumps. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of E M Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE Secret is to install them before you inflate them. One small problem is your turning radius is now 120 yards, so plan your turns well in advance. ;-) Ed 300E On 20/02/2008, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i would tend to agree, but the people buying rims to look cool certainly do not agree with us. i think it's fashion. give it time and tall and skinny will be back in. this will be right after every idiot wanting short and fat will finally be sold their rims. then a new style will become necessary. now leave me alone as i'm having trouble getting these 20s on my chevette! On Feb 20, 2008 7:23 AM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary wrote short and wide are thought to look cooler though, which is all that matters IMHO, it looks stupid on cars not designed for it - like a Chevette or 87 300SDL both look strange with very low profile tires and chrome wheels. Nothing looks worse on a car then trying to make it something it's not. A modern Ferrari looks good with very low profile tires (but never chrome wheels) but a classic Ferrari would look very strange. I saw a late 80s Chev Impala (the big one) with very low profile tires and chrome wheels and nothing could look stranger IMO. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biggest tire on 300D. was: Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE
You will need to factor in some difference in the odometer too if you put larger diameter tires on it. One would think that the difference if the circumference of the tires is changed by a couple of inches is not going to be worth much in terms of mileage. Might not make it much fun to drive either. Many years ago my father had a Ford pickup with a 352 cid V8. He swapped in a 240 cid inline 6. Mileage improved as the gearing in the truck was intended for the V8. The truck was fine when it got up to speed but a bit of a dog at lower speeds. It wasn't a good idea to load it heavy and need to pull away uphill. It was a manual 3 speed with the column shift. Had to slip the clutch pretty good if there was any load just to get it moving. Not something I would do again as I don't think the mileage increase was worth the sacrifice in performance. If one really wants better fuel economy, I think the answer is to acquire a smaller and therefore hopefully, more efficient vehicle rather than to start messing with this sort of thing. The engineers generally have a pretty good idea of what will work well and what won't. Second guessing them is expensive and seldom all that successful. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of archer Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:08 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biggest tire on 300D. was: Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] yes, a wide variety. OK Don wrote: Maybe stick to the factory circumference, but change the gear ratio in the rear end - I suspect that Kaleb has a wide variety to chose from. On Feb 19, 2008 5:56 PM, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not something I'd play with, stick to factory with circumference. You're better off just pushing a little less hard on the gas pedal to save the bit of gas different tires would make. Aw, c'mon, Gerry just wants to be the first on his block to have a donked Benz. Alex Thanks guys. You're right; I should leave well enough alone, or at most change the diff. But the opportunity to save a few dollars, and the fact that it's a lot easier to change tires than change diffs back and forth makes it hard to pass up the tire change experiment. If I can find a couple of tires in the sizes Mitch mentions, I'll try 'em. If it makes the steering too squirrelly, I'll take 'em off. If I wrap it around a tree and go to my reward, well, it was nice knowing all of you. (-:] Gerry P.S. I will order a diff and a left half axle and a bunch of other stuff from Kaleb after he gets caught up. This diff is getting louder all the time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE
R A Bennell wrote: Remember the drag racer look back in the 70's? It was popular to have huge tires on the back of your Camaro and little one's on the front. Everything for style and nothing for handling. My brother did something sorta similar when he wore out the OEM rubber on his '78 LUV. Got a set of white spoke wagon wheels and put wide oval 60's all around. It handled quite good for a pickup, but the ride was even bumpier than before. A lightweight jap pickup with wide musclecar tires was the worst imaginable vehicle when it snowed, but otherwise it was a fun vehicle for a teen to borrow from his older bro. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 603 IP oil seals
How hard is it to change the seals on the 603 injection pump? Not the ones on the injector lines that keep fuel in, but the big ones that keep the oil in. I've had a persistent oil leak down the side of my IP for a year or so. Changed the O-ring on the shutoff lever (thanks, $3.99 Harbor Freight metric nitrile O-ring assortment!) but that only reduced the leak, didn't eliminate it. Now I think I've identified the main leak point as coming from the outer edge of the bottom plate. I figure there must be a gasket or seal around the edge, though I can't see anything. Can I take off the bottom plate with the pump in place, or does it have to come off of the engine (yikes!)? Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SENSOR BULB
On Feb 19, 2008 7:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having owned two 201s from new, here is how it worked. There is a contact on the odo that turns the O2 sensor light on at about 40K miles or so. At which time the sensor would be replaced under warranty and the bulb removed. O2 sensor warnings were of no further interest since the car was out of warranty soon after. Seems to me, from my observation, this must have been the arrangement on a number of '80s and '90s cars from different makes. And a number of dealers must have not had a clue judging by how many of them left the light bulb in to shine permanently even though the oxygen sensor had indeed been replaced... Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biggest tire on 300D. was: Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE
Good points, Randy, and no doubt you and Ed and others are right and I'm wrong; but like the kid who puts his hand on the stove to see if it's really hot like his mom said, guess I gotta try it. Second childhood maybe? (-:] This sort of reminds me of my BiL who put the huge six or eight ply tires from his Spartan house trailer on the back of his Studebaker pickup that he drove to work right after WW-2 when tires were scarce and expensive. They boosted the trucks gas mileage something like 5 or 6 mpg. People told him it would destroy his engine or transmission or differential; that he would wreck; etc., but he never did. Granted it was a weird looking truck that looked like it was going downhill all the time. Don't think my 300D will look quite as bad, though. (-:] Gerry - From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] You will need to factor in some difference in the odometer too if you put larger diameter tires on it. One would think that the difference if the circumference of the tires is changed by a couple of inches is not going to be worth much in terms of mileage. Might not make it much fun to drive either. Many years ago my father had a Ford pickup with a 352 cid V8. He swapped in a 240 cid inline 6. Mileage improved as the gearing in the truck was intended for the V8. The truck was fine when it got up to speed but a bit of a dog at lower speeds. It wasn't a good idea to load it heavy and need to pull away uphill. It was a manual 3 speed with the column shift. Had to slip the clutch pretty good if there was any load just to get it moving. Not something I would do again as I don't think the mileage increase was worth the sacrifice in performance. If one really wants better fuel economy, I think the answer is to acquire a smaller and therefore hopefully, more efficient vehicle rather than to start messing with this sort of thing. The engineers generally have a pretty good idea of what will work well and what won't. Second guessing them is expensive and seldom all that successful. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of archer Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:08 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biggest tire on 300D. was: Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] yes, a wide variety. OK Don wrote: Maybe stick to the factory circumference, but change the gear ratio in the rear end - I suspect that Kaleb has a wide variety to chose from. On Feb 19, 2008 5:56 PM, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not something I'd play with, stick to factory with circumference. You're better off just pushing a little less hard on the gas pedal to save the bit of gas different tires would make. Aw, c'mon, Gerry just wants to be the first on his block to have a donked Benz. Alex Thanks guys. You're right; I should leave well enough alone, or at most change the diff. But the opportunity to save a few dollars, and the fact that it's a lot easier to change tires than change diffs back and forth makes it hard to pass up the tire change experiment. If I can find a couple of tires in the sizes Mitch mentions, I'll try 'em. If it makes the steering too squirrelly, I'll take 'em off. If I wrap it around a tree and go to my reward, well, it was nice knowing all of you. (-:] Gerry P.S. I will order a diff and a left half axle and a bunch of other stuff from Kaleb after he gets caught up. This diff is getting louder all the time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biggest tire on 300D. was: Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE
I thing that's a good general rule, which works both ways. If you want a faster car, once you really managed to drive it to it's full potential, sell it and get a fast car. If you want better mileage, getting something smaller is often the way to go. Just how I look at it anyway. Ed 300E On 20/02/2008, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You will need to factor in some difference in the odometer too if you put larger diameter tires on it. One would think that the difference if the circumference of the tires is changed by a couple of inches is not going to be worth much in terms of mileage. Might not make it much fun to drive either. Many years ago my father had a Ford pickup with a 352 cid V8. He swapped in a 240 cid inline 6. Mileage improved as the gearing in the truck was intended for the V8. The truck was fine when it got up to speed but a bit of a dog at lower speeds. It wasn't a good idea to load it heavy and need to pull away uphill. It was a manual 3 speed with the column shift. Had to slip the clutch pretty good if there was any load just to get it moving. Not something I would do again as I don't think the mileage increase was worth the sacrifice in performance. If one really wants better fuel economy, I think the answer is to acquire a smaller and therefore hopefully, more efficient vehicle rather than to start messing with this sort of thing. The engineers generally have a pretty good idea of what will work well and what won't. Second guessing them is expensive and seldom all that successful. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of archer Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:08 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biggest tire on 300D. was: Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] yes, a wide variety. OK Don wrote: Maybe stick to the factory circumference, but change the gear ratio in the rear end - I suspect that Kaleb has a wide variety to chose from. On Feb 19, 2008 5:56 PM, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not something I'd play with, stick to factory with circumference. You're better off just pushing a little less hard on the gas pedal to save the bit of gas different tires would make. Aw, c'mon, Gerry just wants to be the first on his block to have a donked Benz. Alex Thanks guys. You're right; I should leave well enough alone, or at most change the diff. But the opportunity to save a few dollars, and the fact that it's a lot easier to change tires than change diffs back and forth makes it hard to pass up the tire change experiment. If I can find a couple of tires in the sizes Mitch mentions, I'll try 'em. If it makes the steering too squirrelly, I'll take 'em off. If I wrap it around a tree and go to my reward, well, it was nice knowing all of you. (-:] Gerry P.S. I will order a diff and a left half axle and a bunch of other stuff from Kaleb after he gets caught up. This diff is getting louder all the time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Redneckism: was Football
The first redneck was the first person who got the condition/disease called pellegra many eons ago and spent time out in the sun with his neck exposed. From wikipedia: Pellagra is a vitamin deficiency disease caused by dietary lack of niacin (B3) and proteinsnip The symptoms of pellagra include: High sensitivity to sunlight Aggression Dermatitis Smooth, beefy red glossitis Red skin lesions Insomnia Weakness Mental confusion Diarrhea Eventually dementia The main results of pellagra can easily be remembered as the four D's: diarrhea, dermatitis, dementia, and death.[4].. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pellagra When white settlers started farming in the Southeastern U.S., they adopted the indigenous Amerindians diet of corn, greens, and minimal meat; but they didn't adopt the Indians method of preparing the corn for cooking. The Indians soaked their corn overnight before cooking it which released vitamin B-3 (niacin); but the settlers didn't. The result was endemic pellegra of various degrees and their necks became red from exposure to the sun while working in the fields. During the late 19th and early 20th century the Deep South was dotted with insane asylums which housed large numbers of patients with dementia which was often misdiagnosed as schizophrenia. Many researchers think this was the result of the patients niacin deficiency because the number of dementia/schizophrenia case declined markedly after niacin was added to basic foods and strictly subsistence living declined. Blacks also suffered from these disorders during that era but they weren't branded as rednecks because their red necks were not as obvious as they were on whites. When one looks at the mental/emotional symptoms caused by niacin deficiency; Aggression, Insomnia, Weakness, Mental confusion, and Dementia; and then thinks of all the mental, physical, and emotional deficiencies of which both white and black rednecks are often accused; one wondered how much of this was, and still is, caused by a niacin-deficient diet. Note #1: Before the all natural craze began in the U.S., most manufactured foods had vitamin additives. Now you don't see those as often. I wonder if we're soon going to see vitamin deficiencies of all sorts as a result? Moral of this story: Take your vitamin pills. Note #2: Anyone old enough to remember the Hadacol craze 60 or so years ago? Its inventor and his entourage travelled the Deep South like an old medicine show. People loved Hadacol because it made them feel better and the inventor became a millionaire. It's secret ingredient? Vitamin B-Complex, which included niacin. Many people laughed and said it was the 30% alcohol content which made it popular, but taken a tablespoon at a time, that was unlikely. Was it because niacin deficient southerners finally had a source of niacin? Little story: When I worked at a charity hospital many years ago, drug company samples the interns and residents received would be placed in a large box in the ER for any of the professional staff to use themselves. One day an intern with a cold and cough tipped up a small bottle of what he thought was cough medicine and drank it down. Shortly his whole head turned beet red, the ER staff thought he had been poisoned and quickly pumped his stomach. Someone finally thought of looking at the bottle. It was invigorating medicine for old, confused patients and its active ingredient was niacin. If anyone on the list thinks they might be niacin (nicotinic acid, niacinamide) deficient and buys a bottle of 100 mg tablets, don't panic if your face and head flushes and you feel hot all over for a while. It's a harmless effect of large doses of niacin which goes away fairly quickly. Gerry From: Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] My understanding is that it originated around the time of the American civil war, when a bunch of white southerners would get together to terrorize the plantation workers into behaving themselves and not go running off. Sort of an early version of the KKK and would wear a red bandanna around their necks to signify their belonging to this gang. I don't think the term redneck is racist because it does not apply to a whole race but is derogatory, although some may be proud to be rednecks. Like the term hillbilly or flatlanders. Then you get into the grey area of slang terms for people of a certain country like krauts, frogs and poms. Hendrik who likes to make up history as he goes along, easier that way -- Jim Cathey wrote: Redneck is racist? How so? -- Not really. But can be associated with it. -- Anyone know where it originated? -- Farmers/ranchers. White people who worked out in the sun all day.
Re: [MBZ] 603 IP oil seals
Can I take off the bottom plate with the pump in place, or does it have to come off of the engine (yikes!)? If you can get at it, you can take it off. See my (not complete) story on my 602 pump sealing job. http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb190d.html#ipseal -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biggest tire on 300D. was: Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE
If it's something you really gotta try, remember to have a good look and check your clearances. Not only with the car sitting, but also, full lock to lock, make sure nothing touches. TKeep in mind, when you are braking, and turning in, the car will load the suspension, and you will also get more movement of the sideway of a high profile tire than low, so keep an eye open for any rubbing, on the tire, or fenders. Ed 300E On 20/02/2008, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good points, Randy, and no doubt you and Ed and others are right and I'm wrong; but like the kid who puts his hand on the stove to see if it's really hot like his mom said, guess I gotta try it. Second childhood maybe? (-:] This sort of reminds me of my BiL who put the huge six or eight ply tires from his Spartan house trailer on the back of his Studebaker pickup that he drove to work right after WW-2 when tires were scarce and expensive. They boosted the trucks gas mileage something like 5 or 6 mpg. People told him it would destroy his engine or transmission or differential; that he would wreck; etc., but he never did. Granted it was a weird looking truck that looked like it was going downhill all the time. Don't think my 300D will look quite as bad, though. (-:] Gerry - From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] You will need to factor in some difference in the odometer too if you put larger diameter tires on it. One would think that the difference if the circumference of the tires is changed by a couple of inches is not going to be worth much in terms of mileage. Might not make it much fun to drive either. Many years ago my father had a Ford pickup with a 352 cid V8. He swapped in a 240 cid inline 6. Mileage improved as the gearing in the truck was intended for the V8. The truck was fine when it got up to speed but a bit of a dog at lower speeds. It wasn't a good idea to load it heavy and need to pull away uphill. It was a manual 3 speed with the column shift. Had to slip the clutch pretty good if there was any load just to get it moving. Not something I would do again as I don't think the mileage increase was worth the sacrifice in performance. If one really wants better fuel economy, I think the answer is to acquire a smaller and therefore hopefully, more efficient vehicle rather than to start messing with this sort of thing. The engineers generally have a pretty good idea of what will work well and what won't. Second guessing them is expensive and seldom all that successful. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of archer Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:08 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biggest tire on 300D. was: Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] yes, a wide variety. OK Don wrote: Maybe stick to the factory circumference, but change the gear ratio in the rear end - I suspect that Kaleb has a wide variety to chose from. On Feb 19, 2008 5:56 PM, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not something I'd play with, stick to factory with circumference. You're better off just pushing a little less hard on the gas pedal to save the bit of gas different tires would make. Aw, c'mon, Gerry just wants to be the first on his block to have a donked Benz. Alex Thanks guys. You're right; I should leave well enough alone, or at most change the diff. But the opportunity to save a few dollars, and the fact that it's a lot easier to change tires than change diffs back and forth makes it hard to pass up the tire change experiment. If I can find a couple of tires in the sizes Mitch mentions, I'll try 'em. If it makes the steering too squirrelly, I'll take 'em off. If I wrap it around a tree and go to my reward, well, it was nice knowing all of you. (-:] Gerry P.S. I will order a diff and a left half axle and a bunch of other stuff from Kaleb after he gets caught up. This diff is getting louder all the time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SENSOR BULB
One of my cars, you have to remove the speedo, disconnect the battery. After changing the 02, push a reset button, then reconnect the battery, and you're set to go. It then starts the countdown process again. Ed 300E On 20/02/2008, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 19, 2008 7:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having owned two 201s from new, here is how it worked. There is a contact on the odo that turns the O2 sensor light on at about 40K miles or so. At which time the sensor would be replaced under warranty and the bulb removed. O2 sensor warnings were of no further interest since the car was out of warranty soon after. Seems to me, from my observation, this must have been the arrangement on a number of '80s and '90s cars from different makes. And a number of dealers must have not had a clue judging by how many of them left the light bulb in to shine permanently even though the oxygen sensor had indeed been replaced... Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 IP oil seals
On Feb 20, 2008 9:51 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can I take off the bottom plate with the pump in place, or does it have to come off of the engine (yikes!)? If you can get at it, you can take it off. See my (not complete) story on my 602 pump sealing job. http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb190d.html#ipseal OK, sounds good. I take it the 602 and 603 pumps are pretty similar (modulo number of cylinders). So there are no hidden gotchas and I can hopefully just unbolt the plate and slap a new seal in there. What I was afraid of, of course, was having to take the IP off, or otherwise disturbing the thing's innards and making it necessary for it to be retimed. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE
Works for drag racing. The problem was that people on the street were copying the look. Didn't make a whole lot of sense but a lot of street trends don't make much sense. They just look cool. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE Drag Racers still use 36 tires on back and skinny tires on front. It ALL ABOUT drag racing, not handling. Tuff to go around a corner when your front wheels are 6 off the ground! BTDDT, year ago Pete -- Original message -- From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remember the drag racer look back in the 70's? It was popular to have huge tires on the back of your Camaro and little one's on the front. Everything for style and nothing for handling. Randy _ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] How cheap to fix this 6.2?
http://northmiss.craigslist.org/car/580154911.html Since I'm crazy, I'm actually thinking of getting this. Is the problem maybe bad fuel? These aren't turbocharged are they? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tire sizes - was: Biggest tire on 300D.
I might have trouble finding much taller tires than the 195-70-14s that are on it now. Tire Rack shows several brands of 205-75-14 but couldn't find any 235-?-14s. Gerry Just so it's clear, 205 is the _width_ of the tire in mm. 75 is how tall the tire is expressed as a percentage of width. So 205 x 0.75 = 154 mm tall. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE
Drag Racers still use 36 tires on back and skinny tires on front. It ALL ABOUT drag racing, not handling. Tuff to go around a corner when your front wheels are 6 off the ground! BTDDT, year ago Pete -- Original message -- From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remember the drag racer look back in the 70's? It was popular to have huge tires on the back of your Camaro and little one's on the front. Everything for style and nothing for handling. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biggest tire on 300D. was: Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE
Look for narrow tires and blow the pressures to the high side of what is permitted for less rolling resistence. What was the first Honda hybrid - an Insight or something like that? Remember what narrow tires it had? Designed to improve mileage. However, if you do that, you might want to think about how fast it will be safe to drive it. Braking may be affected as well as cornering traction etc. Narrow tires will go through deep snow well. Not sure how it will be with wet surfaces or rain. Maybe that will depend more on the tread than the width. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of archer Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biggest tire on 300D. was: Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE Good points, Randy, and no doubt you and Ed and others are right and I'm wrong; but like the kid who puts his hand on the stove to see if it's really hot like his mom said, guess I gotta try it. Second childhood maybe? (-:] This sort of reminds me of my BiL who put the huge six or eight ply tires from his Spartan house trailer on the back of his Studebaker pickup that he drove to work right after WW-2 when tires were scarce and expensive. They boosted the trucks gas mileage something like 5 or 6 mpg. People told him it would destroy his engine or transmission or differential; that he would wreck; etc., but he never did. Granted it was a weird looking truck that looked like it was going downhill all the time. Don't think my 300D will look quite as bad, though. (-:] Gerry - From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] You will need to factor in some difference in the odometer too if you put larger diameter tires on it. One would think that the difference if the circumference of the tires is changed by a couple of inches is not going to be worth much in terms of mileage. Might not make it much fun to drive either. Many years ago my father had a Ford pickup with a 352 cid V8. He swapped in a 240 cid inline 6. Mileage improved as the gearing in the truck was intended for the V8. The truck was fine when it got up to speed but a bit of a dog at lower speeds. It wasn't a good idea to load it heavy and need to pull away uphill. It was a manual 3 speed with the column shift. Had to slip the clutch pretty good if there was any load just to get it moving. Not something I would do again as I don't think the mileage increase was worth the sacrifice in performance. If one really wants better fuel economy, I think the answer is to acquire a smaller and therefore hopefully, more efficient vehicle rather than to start messing with this sort of thing. The engineers generally have a pretty good idea of what will work well and what won't. Second guessing them is expensive and seldom all that successful. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of archer Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:08 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biggest tire on 300D. was: Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] yes, a wide variety. OK Don wrote: Maybe stick to the factory circumference, but change the gear ratio in the rear end - I suspect that Kaleb has a wide variety to chose from. On Feb 19, 2008 5:56 PM, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not something I'd play with, stick to factory with circumference. You're better off just pushing a little less hard on the gas pedal to save the bit of gas different tires would make. Aw, c'mon, Gerry just wants to be the first on his block to have a donked Benz. Alex Thanks guys. You're right; I should leave well enough alone, or at most change the diff. But the opportunity to save a few dollars, and the fact that it's a lot easier to change tires than change diffs back and forth makes it hard to pass up the tire change experiment. If I can find a couple of tires in the sizes Mitch mentions, I'll try 'em. If it makes the steering too squirrelly, I'll take 'em off. If I wrap it around a tree and go to my reward, well, it was nice knowing all of you. (-:] Gerry P.S. I will order a diff and a left half axle and a bunch of other stuff from Kaleb after he gets caught up. This diff is getting louder all the time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [OT) Football -- words
I guess the stereotypical so-called rednecks use the pejorative term about one another, much like some blacks like to bandy about the N-word, as a form of desensitization. Perhaps it's a way of saying I hereby adopt use of this term about myself so you can't hurt me by calling me that derogatory term. I see this as a form of inoculation On Feb 19, 2008 3:22 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is a stereotyping term used to denigrate mostly rural white (caucasian) people, mainly southern US, to suggest lower socioeconomic class, dumb, given to stupid things, NASCAR racing fans, etc. As used in popular culture (especially among the eastern elite) it characterizes an entire class of people in unflattering ways. There is some indication it was originally directed at a certain subset of black people in the 18th/19th centuries but then came to be directed toward rural white people through some stereotypical association, as above. cf. terms (and you know what they are) used for black/brown/yellow/red/taupe (any of color) people that have similar connotations and you will very easily see the similarity. While many of those groups use the terms among themselves, when used by others they become hurtful or insulting or offensive, and are indeed offensive to many in the groups. So, in these sensitive enlightened times it is important to be aware that words can hurt, insult, and offend; although, it seems that white people, as the dominant group are allowed to be targeted in this fashion. This is your diversity lesson for the day. --R Gary Hurst wrote: there are a few stories as to origins. redneck is really not considered bad. On Feb 19, 2008 2:45 PM, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Redneck is racist? How so? Anyone know where it originated? Zedic, the travelling gypsy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anybody want any SLC's?
a SLC Wonko the Sane wrote: You will trade what? Delivered in Jefferson? On Feb 19, 2008 9:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will trade you for the Quantum Wonko the Sane wrote: Perhaps for the Quantum? :-) On Feb 19, 2008 7:42 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still want to trade my 1959 220S for something. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
Well, that is because that refinery blew up, and oil is over 100 a barrel again. Donald Snook wrote: Gas and diesel shot up this morning here in Wichita. I would guess it did the same thing everywhere. Regular unleaded 3.09 premium 3.29 and diesel is 3.39. I am thinking next time, I have to take a long trip for work, I am going to rent a car. 17 on the highway in my Expedition hurts Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1988 190-E - Questions please.
Thanks for everyone's input. Further contact with seller reveals a litany of issues with the car. One being that the 105K miles was when the thingie broke several years ago. The car also had a problem overheating but we think we had that fixed... My local indy said that 2.6 6cyl 190E was a headache so I trust him. Instead, found a 1986 190D with manual trans. That should be a better bet? Thanks again all! Tim From: hursley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 18:24:36 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1988 190-E - Questions please. Mine is a 1993 (end of the model year) with 142K miles. Typical local gas mileage is about 20 and on highway is 27 and runs on premium gas. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
HA! At least one thing is cheaper in D.C. ($3.49/gal for diesel at last sighting) On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just noticed today, $3.599 for diesel. Last I filled a few weeks ago was $3.349. From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:10:51 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel Jim Cathey wrote: Refinery fire the other day in Texas (?). Talking head said that it was actually a pretty small refinery, but that the market would probably react disproportionately. I'm sure gas prices shot up in speculation, not due to any actual shortage in supply. What I like is when the price of crude jumps in response to a reduced ability to refine it. Totally bassackwards, but that's the way it always seems to go. The senseless jumps in crude are usually shortable, april contracts are back down to 98.55 already. $1450 a contract for going short at $100 isn't a huge gain, but it makes a nice day's pay. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
Just noticed today, $3.599 for diesel. Last I filled a few weeks ago was $3.349. From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:10:51 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel Jim Cathey wrote: Refinery fire the other day in Texas (?). Talking head said that it was actually a pretty small refinery, but that the market would probably react disproportionately. I'm sure gas prices shot up in speculation, not due to any actual shortage in supply. What I like is when the price of crude jumps in response to a reduced ability to refine it. Totally bassackwards, but that's the way it always seems to go. The senseless jumps in crude are usually shortable, april contracts are back down to 98.55 already. $1450 a contract for going short at $100 isn't a huge gain, but it makes a nice day's pay. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] One of those Sprinter type trucks in Baltimore - any thoughts?
http://baltimore.craigslist.org/car/576423276.html Is this cheap at the price? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1988 190-E - Questions please.
Timothy Robinson wrote: Instead, found a 1986 190D with manual trans. That should be a better bet? That would be a 2.5NA. I think they are about as powerful as a NA 617. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One of those Sprinter type trucks in Baltimore - any thoughts?
andrew strasfogel wrote: http://baltimore.craigslist.org/car/576423276.html Is this cheap at the price? The unimog and sprinter are just search engine spamming. I don't think ANY 407 is worth $15k. BTW, does a 407 have the big 4 cylinder, or is it the 240D in a truck? This one would be more fun, anyway: http://www.fire-engine-photos.com/picture/number669.asp ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
I don't know how much coverage you folks get of Canadian news (none? - USA is a bit introverted in many ways) but British Columbia provincial government just introduced a carbon tax. They will tax all sorts of fuel for vehicles, heating etc. I guess they think that it is green to tax further in order to save the planet. If this sort of thing carries on, I'm gonna need to move to a warmer climate as it is a bit much to expect a poor old bu**er like me to freeze in the dark just to save the world for my non-existent (at this stage anyway) grandchilren. One would think that ownership of a real old MB diesel would be sufficient evidence of my good enviromental wishes without looking for ways to tax me to reinforce Al Gore's message, but then, governments of all stripes do love to tax us. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 3:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel HA! At least one thing is cheaper in D.C. ($3.49/gal for diesel at last sighting) On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just noticed today, $3.599 for diesel. Last I filled a few weeks ago was $3.349. From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:10:51 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel Jim Cathey wrote: Refinery fire the other day in Texas (?). Talking head said that it was actually a pretty small refinery, but that the market would probably react disproportionately. I'm sure gas prices shot up in speculation, not due to any actual shortage in supply. What I like is when the price of crude jumps in response to a reduced ability to refine it. Totally bassackwards, but that's the way it always seems to go. The senseless jumps in crude are usually shortable, april contracts are back down to 98.55 already. $1450 a contract for going short at $100 isn't a huge gain, but it makes a nice day's pay. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] FW: ebay description of the week
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ebay description of the weekDate: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:20:56 -0600 Would a motor from a 87 300SDL work as a replacement motor for thiscar without doing any mods such as motor mounts how about it bolting up to the existing tranny? -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:47:47 -0800 From: jgiels [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] ebay description of the week To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Rod bender? - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 5:13 PM Subject: [MBZ] ebay description of the week http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-S-Class-Beautiful-350SDL-in-memphis_W0QQitemZ160209517395QQihZ006QQcategoryZ6336QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. Learn more. _ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake caliper interchangebaility - W126 300SD W123 240
thanks! VERY good to know that. Chris Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i started to say, i have the 126 front brakes on my 300TD. easy swap, maybe change the front wheel bearings while you have everything apart. On Feb 20, 2008 5:55 AM, Christopher McCann wrote: are they interchangeable? - front brake calipers, that is? Thanks! Chris CSSML NDSMD + VRSNSMV SMQLIVB -1985 300SD, 369K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 58K mi, Der Abschleppwagen '75 240D, '80 300SD, '85 300Dt '84 300Dt -Anke Sammy von der Burg Austerlitz (GSDs) Nanook (Siberian Husky) - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Rory Morrison Oroville, WA 1985 300SD 1982 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com CSSML NDSMD + VRSNSMV SMQLIVB -1985 300SD, 369K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 58K mi, Der Abschleppwagen '75 240D, '80 300SD, '85 300Dt '84 300Dt -Anke Sammy von der Burg Austerlitz (GSDs) Nanook (Siberian Husky) - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
Regular unleaded 3.09 premium 3.29 and diesel is 3.39. That's only a few cents above what it's been here in Oregon for months now. I think we have some of the highest fuel prices in the continental U.S. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300sD 267Kmi+, Ursula, 28-30MPG Hwy at 65MPH, and a bit less at 75MPH ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tire sizes - was: Biggest tire on 300D.
I might have trouble finding much taller tires than the 195-70-14s that are on it now. Tire Rack shows several brands of 205-75-14 but couldn't find any 235-?-14s. Gerry Just so it's clear, 205 is the _width_ of the tire in mm. 75 is how tall the tire is expressed as a percentage of width. So 205 x 0.75 = 154 mm tall. Philip --- Thanks, Phillip. Can probably measure the max spring travel, add it to the tire height, check the width available at the top of the fender, and get a crude idea of the biggest tire that wouldn't touch the fender if the axle bottomed out. Next time in Tampa or Orlando I might be able to find a couple of used tires for next to nothing just to try, and then get new ones if they work. Might even find a couple of spare rims at the PNP. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How cheap to fix this 6.2?
Hard to say, but the ad says it's doesn't want to crank, which sounds like an electrical issue with either the battery or starter...or it's frozen up On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 11:39 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://northmiss.craigslist.org/car/580154911.html Since I'm crazy, I'm actually thinking of getting this. Is the problem maybe bad fuel? These aren't turbocharged are they? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How cheap to fix this 6.2?
Man, that's something I'd be all over if it was near me! From what I've heard about these, I'd be willing to bet that it's either air leaks in the fuel system or it needs a new IP (roosamaster SP? rotary style). Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi+, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [OT) Football -- words
Refreshing to hear this acknowledged by someone other than me. I touched upon this in a paper I wrote for school. It goes without saying it wasn't a very Berkely-like institution or I would be expelled and probably detained for re-education and put on some sort of watch list. (sorry, Ernest). Amazingly my paper was graded fairly even by my instructor - the one who told us George Washington was a terrorist. If you take an honest look at it, being a White, American, heterosexual male is the hardest type of person to be in society today. We get zero breaks and are held to the very highest standards of behavior toward others. But the White male really doesn't need my defending - it's the group most capable of defending itself that it is most socially acceptable to attack. Or at least, I take comfort in this notion as I see us almost invariably being the butt of every joke and ridiculous depiction in commercials and television and film. You know - the bumbling, child-like husband being chastised by the wife, or the stupid white guy who is generally backwards and clueless about life among the hip, noble minorities, etc etc. Brian Rich wrote:although, it seems that white people, as the dominant group are allowed to be targeted in this fashion. This is your diversity lesson for the day. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
Yes, 3.79 here for the frothy stuff. I still think overall the government or some evil entity in power is trying to counteract the benefits diesel drivers get in fuel mileage. With what looks like diesel popularity increasing faster than ever (talk of Subaru diesels and Honda diesels and the like) I bet the price differential in fuel will stay or increase. Brian longing for the days when gas was like $.97 per gallon and diesel about $.85 On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regular unleaded 3.09 premium 3.29 and diesel is 3.39. That's only a few cents above what it's been here in Oregon for months now. I think we have some of the highest fuel prices in the continental U.S. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300sD 267Kmi+, Ursula, 28-30MPG Hwy at 65MPH, and a bit less at 75MPH ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
At 07:00 PM 2/20/2008, you wrote: Yes, 3.79 here for the frothy stuff. I still think overall the government or some evil entity in power is trying to counteract the benefits diesel drivers get in fuel mileage. With what looks like diesel popularity increasing faster than ever (talk of Subaru diesels and Honda diesels and the like) I bet the price differential in fuel will stay or increase. Brian longing for the days when gas was like $.97 per gallon and diesel about $.85 Hi, All. Though not the oldest on the list. I can remember when, in 70-71 at the Getty station that I ran, premium gas was 38 cents and received many complaints that the price was 2 cents too high! My latest acquisition is now running on 5 cylinders. Some As..le Fumble fingered high I.Q. Type Mekanique, replaced the delivery valve seals and left 2 of them loose. (20nm, loosen, 20nm, loosen, 35nm, e viola) Many thanks to our dear departed Doctor Professor Booth! Fred Moir Older than dirt. Dieselitis Maximus 85 300TD 87 190DT Bent 87 190DT responding to treatment. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [OT) Football -- words
the white man and those who wish to live as white men don't need or want nanny to protect them against their enemies. besides, we have figured out that nanny hates us, so there isn't much point in asking for help anyway. no doubt that we are in severe decline as a force in the world and have no future at all. a century ago, our morals and values ruled the world and everyone knew we rocked. today, our morals and values are the subject of mockery and contempt. y'know, that's the march of history, baby. i see no answer to this situation. again, no future. a few will fight, but it is quixotic and, frankly, silly. most will just keep watching american idol and at least be terrorized into paying lip service allegiance to the prevailing propaganda. and guys like me will never apologize or repent, but really will not do much of anything else either. it's a pretty pathetic landscape. the best advice i can give you is to become a substance abuser or compulsive gambler to try to get your mind off these sort of issues. or maybe you can find a more constructive distraction. sorry i can't do more for you than that :( On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Refreshing to hear this acknowledged by someone other than me. I touched upon this in a paper I wrote for school. It goes without saying it wasn't a very Berkely-like institution or I would be expelled and probably detained for re-education and put on some sort of watch list. (sorry, Ernest). Amazingly my paper was graded fairly even by my instructor - the one who told us George Washington was a terrorist. If you take an honest look at it, being a White, American, heterosexual male is the hardest type of person to be in society today. We get zero breaks and are held to the very highest standards of behavior toward others. But the White male really doesn't need my defending - it's the group most capable of defending itself that it is most socially acceptable to attack. Or at least, I take comfort in this notion as I see us almost invariably being the butt of every joke and ridiculous depiction in commercials and television and film. You know - the bumbling, child-like husband being chastised by the wife, or the stupid white guy who is generally backwards and clueless about life among the hip, noble minorities, etc etc. Brian Rich wrote:although, it seems that white people, as the dominant group are allowed to be targeted in this fashion. This is your diversity lesson for the day. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, 3.79 here for the frothy stuff. I still think overall the government or some evil entity in power is trying to counteract the benefits diesel drivers get in fuel mileage. With what looks like diesel popularity increasing faster than ever (talk of Subaru diesels and Honda diesels and the like) I bet the price differential in fuel will stay or increase. In a way it makes sense for fuel to be priced proportional to its energy content per gallon/liter, if all else were equal. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One of those Sprinter type trucks in Baltimore - any thoughts?
Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: andrew strasfogel wrote: http://baltimore.craigslist.org/car/576423276.html Is this cheap at the price? The unimog and sprinter are just search engine spamming. I don't think ANY 407 is worth $15k. BTW, does a 407 have the big 4 cylinder, or is it the 240D in a truck? I think it is an OM616. Weren't those same photos on a listing posted a week or two ago from the west coast? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One of those Sprinter type trucks in Baltimore - any thoughts?
It's not a Sprinter. Not even close. -Dave Walton On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 4:05 PM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://baltimore.craigslist.org/car/576423276.html Is this cheap at the price? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
Brian, And when gas was $.97 per gallon and diesel about $.85 per gallon, the price of crude oil was how much a barrel? But it's not just the price of crude oil. The cost of labor construction materials has more than doubled since the 70s. Diesel is higher than regular gas because of a tax that was added onto diesel in the early 80s. Back then, the interstate system was in serious financial trouble and the government was trying to find a way to fund repairs new construction. They analyzed traffic and discovered that truckers their loads were responsible for more than 80% of the wear on the interstate road system. They needed a tax that was tied directly to road usage and an additional tax on diesel fuel made perfect since because back then over 99% of all on road diesel was burned by truckers. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 6:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel Yes, 3.79 here for the frothy stuff. I still think overall the government or some evil entity in power is trying to counteract the benefits diesel drivers get in fuel mileage. With what looks like diesel popularity increasing faster than ever (talk of Subaru diesels and Honda diesels and the like) I bet the price differential in fuel will stay or increase. Brian longing for the days when gas was like $.97 per gallon and diesel about $.85 On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regular unleaded 3.09 premium 3.29 and diesel is 3.39. That's only a few cents above what it's been here in Oregon for months now. I think we have some of the highest fuel prices in the continental U.S. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300sD 267Kmi+, Ursula, 28-30MPG Hwy at 65MPH, and a bit less at 75MPH ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1289 - Release Date: 2/20/2008 10:26 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1289 - Release Date: 2/20/2008 10:26 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
Fred, if $.38 is the lowest you remember you are still a kid on this list. I remember paying $.23 on a car I was driving. Ocala, FL, and had to be 1966. BillR -Original Message- From: Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/20/08 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel At 07:00 PM 2/20/2008, you wrote: Yes, 3.79 here for the frothy stuff. I still think overall the government or some evil entity in power is trying to counteract the benefits diesel drivers get in fuel mileage. With what looks like diesel popularity increasing faster than ever (talk of Subaru diesels and Honda diesels and the like) I bet the price differential in fuel will stay or increase. Brian longing for the days when gas was like $.97 per gallon and diesel about $.85 Hi, All. Though not the oldest on the list. I can remember when, in 70-71 at the Getty station that I ran, premium gas was 38 cents and received many complaints that the price was 2 cents too high! My latest acquisition is now running on 5 cylinders. Some As..le Fumble fingered high I.Q. Type Mekanique, replaced the delivery valve seals and left 2 of them loose. (20nm, loosen, 20nm, loosen, 35nm, e viola) Many thanks to our dear departed Doctor Professor Booth! Fred Moir Older than dirt. Dieselitis Maximus 85 300TD 87 190DT Bent 87 190DT responding to treatment. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
I can remember my grandfather carping about $0.23 regular and him giving me a blast for driving that krautwagon (my '72 220D)that used $0.32 diesel fuel. This was in '76-'77. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill R Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 6:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel Fred, if $.38 is the lowest you remember you are still a kid on this list. I remember paying $.23 on a car I was driving. Ocala, FL, and had to be 1966. BillR -Original Message- From: Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/20/08 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel At 07:00 PM 2/20/2008, you wrote: Yes, 3.79 here for the frothy stuff. I still think overall the government or some evil entity in power is trying to counteract the benefits diesel drivers get in fuel mileage. With what looks like diesel popularity increasing faster than ever (talk of Subaru diesels and Honda diesels and the like) I bet the price differential in fuel will stay or increase. Brian longing for the days when gas was like $.97 per gallon and diesel about $.85 Hi, All. Though not the oldest on the list. I can remember when, in 70-71 at the Getty station that I ran, premium gas was 38 cents and received many complaints that the price was 2 cents too high! My latest acquisition is now running on 5 cylinders. Some As..le Fumble fingered high I.Q. Type Mekanique, replaced the delivery valve seals and left 2 of them loose. (20nm, loosen, 20nm, loosen, 35nm, e viola) Many thanks to our dear departed Doctor Professor Booth! Fred Moir Older than dirt. Dieselitis Maximus 85 300TD 87 190DT Bent 87 190DT responding to treatment. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tire sizes - was: Biggest tire on 300D.
keep in mind too, two different brands of tires of the same size can fit different. not a big problem usually, but if you're really pushing the limit of what will fit, it may. I believe width is measured from sidewall to sidewall, not tread face, so, how two tires of different brands behave when put under a cornering or braking load, may be different. So if you go larger, and one brand fits, be sure to have a good look for any rubbing if you change brands, even if same size. Ed 300E On 20/02/2008, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I might have trouble finding much taller tires than the 195-70-14s that are on it now. Tire Rack shows several brands of 205-75-14 but couldn't find any 235-?-14s. Gerry Just so it's clear, 205 is the _width_ of the tire in mm. 75 is how tall the tire is expressed as a percentage of width. So 205 x 0.75 = 154 mm tall. Philip --- Thanks, Phillip. Can probably measure the max spring travel, add it to the tire height, check the width available at the top of the fender, and get a crude idea of the biggest tire that wouldn't touch the fender if the axle bottomed out. Next time in Tampa or Orlando I might be able to find a couple of used tires for next to nothing just to try, and then get new ones if they work. Might even find a couple of spare rims at the PNP. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [OT) Football -- words
I'm a gearhead and proud of it. hee hee. Ed 300E On 20/02/2008, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess the stereotypical so-called rednecks use the pejorative term about one another, much like some blacks like to bandy about the N-word, as a form of desensitization. Perhaps it's a way of saying I hereby adopt use of this term about myself so you can't hurt me by calling me that derogatory term. I see this as a form of inoculation On Feb 19, 2008 3:22 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is a stereotyping term used to denigrate mostly rural white (caucasian) people, mainly southern US, to suggest lower socioeconomic class, dumb, given to stupid things, NASCAR racing fans, etc. As used in popular culture (especially among the eastern elite) it characterizes an entire class of people in unflattering ways. There is some indication it was originally directed at a certain subset of black people in the 18th/19th centuries but then came to be directed toward rural white people through some stereotypical association, as above. cf. terms (and you know what they are) used for black/brown/yellow/red/taupe (any of color) people that have similar connotations and you will very easily see the similarity. While many of those groups use the terms among themselves, when used by others they become hurtful or insulting or offensive, and are indeed offensive to many in the groups. So, in these sensitive enlightened times it is important to be aware that words can hurt, insult, and offend; although, it seems that white people, as the dominant group are allowed to be targeted in this fashion. This is your diversity lesson for the day. --R Gary Hurst wrote: there are a few stories as to origins. redneck is really not considered bad. On Feb 19, 2008 2:45 PM, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Redneck is racist? How so? Anyone know where it originated? Zedic, the travelling gypsy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB van
That's not a Sprinter, of course. Just last week a big Sprinter pulled up in front with a Fedex package so of course I asked the driver how he liked his Mercedes. He said he like it fine (13-14mpg) and had purchased some Fedex routes and had bought the truck recently at a distress sale and was looking for another one. Two years old. $8000. Fifteen grand for a red one seems a bit steepish. RLE ** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:36:29 -0700 Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:12:02 -0600 Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gas and diesel shot up this morning here in Wichita. I would guess it did the same thing everywhere. Regular unleaded 3.09 premium 3.29 and diesel is 3.39. Ours went up a few days ago. 3.039 for regular and 3.529 for diesel. That was a spread of 49 cents. But ours went up again today: 3.139 for regular and 3.679 for diesel, which is a spread of 54 cents. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:00:24 -0800 Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, 3.79 here for the frothy stuff. I still think overall the government or some evil entity in power is trying to counteract the benefits diesel drivers get in fuel mileage. With what looks like diesel popularity increasing faster than ever (talk of Subaru diesels and Honda diesels and the like) I bet the price differential in fuel will stay or increase. Brian longing for the days when gas was like $.97 per gallon and diesel about $.85 I remember driving through Wyoming with my new '72 220D/8 and filling up at $ 0.199/gallon. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
When my buddies and I would go around driving after the ball games in high school, we would all throw in 50cents and stop at the gas station, put a goodly amount in the tank (say $2 would get 8gal or so), and whoever drove would have enough to last a good part of the week. The one who usually drove had a Rambler with (if I recall) a 327 in it, quite a sleeper. There was a motorhead kid who put a Corvette engine in his Rambler, had cut-outs on the pipes, and would go roaring in front of school and downshift and make one hell of a racket, we all knew who it was. Another guy had a Corvair, one day about 9AM he gets called out of class, his car parked a block or so away was on fire and burning up. Cops, fire trucks, school officials, the whole deal turned out. He was freaked out.. Turns out he had left a roach in the ashtray that morning, and it smoldered an hour or so before conflagrating. The dope he lost was probably worth more than the car, that really bummed him, and he thought he was going to get busted when they tried to figure out why the car caught fire. He had a hose rigged up to a bottle of whiskey in the front trunk too, so you could take a hit off it while driving, but no containers visible. He got a job at Mac's Diner to make some money to buy another car (and held off on his fledgling pharmaceutical business for awhile), we would go by there on our drives, order a cheeseburger and coke, and he would give us a grocery sack full of burgers fries drinks pies, whatever was on the shelf. Burgers cost about what a gallon of gas cost (see, all that story closes well!). I think he ran for mayor or president or something. --R Robert Rentfro wrote: I can remember my grandfather carping about $0.23 regular and him giving me a blast for driving that krautwagon (my '72 220D)that used $0.32 diesel fuel. This was in '76-'77. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill R Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 6:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel Fred, if $.38 is the lowest you remember you are still a kid on this list. I remember paying $.23 on a car I was driving. Ocala, FL, and had to be 1966. BillR -Original Message- From: Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/20/08 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel At 07:00 PM 2/20/2008, you wrote: Yes, 3.79 here for the frothy stuff. I still think overall the government or some evil entity in power is trying to counteract the benefits diesel drivers get in fuel mileage. With what looks like diesel popularity increasing faster than ever (talk of Subaru diesels and Honda diesels and the like) I bet the price differential in fuel will stay or increase. Brian longing for the days when gas was like $.97 per gallon and diesel about $.85 Hi, All. Though not the oldest on the list. I can remember when, in 70-71 at the Getty station that I ran, premium gas was 38 cents and received many complaints that the price was 2 cents too high! My latest acquisition is now running on 5 cylinders. Some As..le Fumble fingered high I.Q. Type Mekanique, replaced the delivery valve seals and left 2 of them loose. (20nm, loosen, 20nm, loosen, 35nm, e viola) Many thanks to our dear departed Doctor Professor Booth! Fred Moir Older than dirt. Dieselitis Maximus 85 300TD 87 190DT Bent 87 190DT responding to treatment. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biggest tire on 300D. was: Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE
I hadn't thought about the tire distorting on a turn. Thanks. Gerry - - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] If it's something you really gotta try, remember to have a good look and check your clearances. Not only with the car sitting, but also, full lock to lock, make sure nothing touches. TKeep in mind, when you are braking, and turning in, the car will load the suspension, and you will also get more movement of the sideway of a high profile tire than low, so keep an eye open for any rubbing, on the tire, or fenders. Ed 300E On 20/02/2008, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good points, Randy, and no doubt you and Ed and others are right and I'm wrong; but like the kid who puts his hand on the stove to see if it's really hot like his mom said, guess I gotta try it. Second childhood maybe? (-:] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biggest tire on 300D. was: Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE
Good idea; less rubber/friction on the road. This is very tame driving around here in this backwoods county. Not much traffic and most speed limits 45 mph. With this drought, we've just about forgotten what it's like to drive on wet pavement. Gerry - From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look for narrow tires and blow the pressures to the high side of what is permitted for less rolling resistence. What was the first Honda hybrid - an Insight or something like that? Remember what narrow tires it had? Designed to improve mileage. However, if you do that, you might want to think about how fast it will be safe to drive it. Braking may be affected as well as cornering traction etc. Narrow tires will go through deep snow well. Not sure how it will be with wet surfaces or rain. Maybe that will depend more on the tread than the width. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of archer Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biggest tire on 300D. was: Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE Good points, Randy, and no doubt you and Ed and others are right and I'm wrong; but like the kid who puts his hand on the stove to see if it's really hot like his mom said, guess I gotta try it. Second childhood maybe? (-:] This sort of reminds me of my BiL who put the huge six or eight ply tires from his Spartan house trailer on the back of his Studebaker pickup that he drove to work right after WW-2 when tires were scarce and expensive. They boosted the trucks gas mileage something like 5 or 6 mpg. People told him it would destroy his engine or transmission or differential; that he would wreck; etc., but he never did. Granted it was a weird looking truck that looked like it was going downhill all the time. Don't think my 300D will look quite as bad, though. (-:] Gerry - From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] You will need to factor in some difference in the odometer too if you put larger diameter tires on it. One would think that the difference if the circumference of the tires is changed by a couple of inches is not going to be worth much in terms of mileage. Might not make it much fun to drive either. Many years ago my father had a Ford pickup with a 352 cid V8. He swapped in a 240 cid inline 6. Mileage improved as the gearing in the truck was intended for the V8. The truck was fine when it got up to speed but a bit of a dog at lower speeds. It wasn't a good idea to load it heavy and need to pull away uphill. It was a manual 3 speed with the column shift. Had to slip the clutch pretty good if there was any load just to get it moving. Not something I would do again as I don't think the mileage increase was worth the sacrifice in performance. If one really wants better fuel economy, I think the answer is to acquire a smaller and therefore hopefully, more efficient vehicle rather than to start messing with this sort of thing. The engineers generally have a pretty good idea of what will work well and what won't. Second guessing them is expensive and seldom all that successful. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of archer Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:08 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biggest tire on 300D. was: Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] yes, a wide variety. OK Don wrote: Maybe stick to the factory circumference, but change the gear ratio in the rear end - I suspect that Kaleb has a wide variety to chose from. On Feb 19, 2008 5:56 PM, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not something I'd play with, stick to factory with circumference. You're better off just pushing a little less hard on the gas pedal to save the bit of gas different tires would make. Aw, c'mon, Gerry just wants to be the first on his block to have a donked Benz. Alex Thanks guys. You're right; I should leave well enough alone, or at most change the diff. But the opportunity to save a few dollars, and the fact that it's a lot easier to change tires than change diffs back and forth makes it hard to pass up the tire change experiment. If I can find a couple of tires in the sizes Mitch mentions, I'll try 'em. If it makes the steering too squirrelly, I'll take 'em off. If I wrap it around a tree and go to my reward, well, it was nice knowing all of you. (-:] Gerry P.S. I will order a diff and a left half axle and a bunch of other stuff from Kaleb after he gets caught up. This diff is getting louder all the time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] anybody want any SLC's?
What is wrong with the 380? You have pics? On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a SLC Wonko the Sane wrote: You will trade what? Delivered in Jefferson? -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
I remember my sister paying a dollar for five gallons of gas during the 1930s. This was for the first car in the family; a 1928 Oakland which had wooden spoke wheels, a cloth top, and a rumble seat. The filling station across the street had gravity flow pumps. The attendant would hand pump the amount of gas you wanted into a glass cylinder at the top of the pump which was marked off in gallons, and then it would drain by gravity through the hose and into your tank. Some stations would keep the cylinder full and dispense it between the gallon marks. One day we heard a loud boom and the house windows rattled. A fellow who was putting gas in the tank of a model T Ford at the station across the street was standing over the tank which was under the front seat. When he lit a cigarette the gas exploded and blew him out of the car. That was on Market Street in New Albany, Indiana. Gerry - - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fred, if $.38 is the lowest you remember you are still a kid on this list. I remember paying $.23 on a car I was driving. Ocala, FL, and had to be 1966. BillR -Original Message- From: Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/20/08 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel At 07:00 PM 2/20/2008, you wrote: Yes, 3.79 here for the frothy stuff. I still think overall the government or some evil entity in power is trying to counteract the benefits diesel drivers get in fuel mileage. With what looks like diesel popularity increasing faster than ever (talk of Subaru diesels and Honda diesels and the like) I bet the price differential in fuel will stay or increase. Brian longing for the days when gas was like $.97 per gallon and diesel about $.85 Hi, All. Though not the oldest on the list. I can remember when, in 70-71 at the Getty station that I ran, premium gas was 38 cents and received many complaints that the price was 2 cents too high! My latest acquisition is now running on 5 cylinders. Some As..le Fumble fingered high I.Q. Type Mekanique, replaced the delivery valve seals and left 2 of them loose. (20nm, loosen, 20nm, loosen, 35nm, e viola) Many thanks to our dear departed Doctor Professor Booth! Fred Moir Older than dirt. Dieselitis Maximus 85 300TD 87 190DT Bent 87 190DT responding to treatment. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1288 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 8:47 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tire sizes - was: Biggest tire on 300D.
Good idea. Since Goodyear is one company that makes the 205 - 75 - 14, maybe I'll check their tire stores first for used tires in that size. If found, I'll have a source for the same brand new tires in that size. Gerry - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] keep in mind too, two different brands of tires of the same size can fit different. not a big problem usually, but if you're really pushing the limit of what will fit, it may. I believe width is measured from sidewall to sidewall, not tread face, so, how two tires of different brands behave when put under a cornering or braking load, may be different. So if you go larger, and one brand fits, be sure to have a good look for any rubbing if you change brands, even if same size. Ed 300E On 20/02/2008, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I might have trouble finding much taller tires than the 195-70-14s that are on it now. Tire Rack shows several brands of 205-75-14 but couldn't find any 235-?-14s. Gerry Just so it's clear, 205 is the _width_ of the tire in mm. 75 is how tall the tire is expressed as a percentage of width. So 205 x 0.75 = 154 mm tall. Philip --- Thanks, Phillip. Can probably measure the max spring travel, add it to the tire height, check the width available at the top of the fender, and get a crude idea of the biggest tire that wouldn't touch the fender if the axle bottomed out. Next time in Tampa or Orlando I might be able to find a couple of used tires for next to nothing just to try, and then get new ones if they work. Might even find a couple of spare rims at the PNP. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1288 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 8:47 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
Lowest price I clearly remember as a kid was $0.79/gal for regular. As recently as the mid 1990s I could buy gas for $0.97 - $0.99 near Joliet IL there were two stations there that were always in a price war it seemed. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] ShoeGoo, etc.
A truly amazing thing occurred today. I used my tube of ShoeGoo to repair a shoe!!! This stuff is amazing. Then, 'cause I was bored (or trying to avoid other thing I ought to be doing) I found this info about their other products. * Amazing GOOP® and Craft GOOP® contain a thinner formula for precise, detailed work. * Wood Furniture GOOP® is a thicker, non-slump formula perfect for vertical and overhead applications. * Automotive GOOP®, Household GOOP® and Plumbing GOOP® are all the same formula. * Lawn Garden GOOP®, Marine GOOP®, RV GOOP® and Sport and Outdoor GOOP® are all UV-resistant. * Shoe GOO® is a more rubbery formula allowing for greater flexibility. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
My latest acquisition is now running on 5 cylinders. 5 outta 5 ain't bad! At least it wasn't a head gasket as you had originally thought. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi+, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biggest tire on 300D. was: Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE
Yeah, the braking and ride will be effected with higher pressure. Most tires blow due to being under inflated though. The added rolling resistance of an under inflated tire causes internal air temps to rise fast and air pressure to build, resulting in a blowout. If you check some owners manuals, it will even mention higher temps for sustained high speed driving. Ed 300E On 20/02/2008, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look for narrow tires and blow the pressures to the high side of what is permitted for less rolling resistence. What was the first Honda hybrid - an Insight or something like that? Remember what narrow tires it had? Designed to improve mileage. However, if you do that, you might want to think about how fast it will be safe to drive it. Braking may be affected as well as cornering traction etc. Narrow tires will go through deep snow well. Not sure how it will be with wet surfaces or rain. Maybe that will depend more on the tread than the width. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of archer Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biggest tire on 300D. was: Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE Good points, Randy, and no doubt you and Ed and others are right and I'm wrong; but like the kid who puts his hand on the stove to see if it's really hot like his mom said, guess I gotta try it. Second childhood maybe? (-:] This sort of reminds me of my BiL who put the huge six or eight ply tires from his Spartan house trailer on the back of his Studebaker pickup that he drove to work right after WW-2 when tires were scarce and expensive. They boosted the trucks gas mileage something like 5 or 6 mpg. People told him it would destroy his engine or transmission or differential; that he would wreck; etc., but he never did. Granted it was a weird looking truck that looked like it was going downhill all the time. Don't think my 300D will look quite as bad, though. (-:] Gerry - From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] You will need to factor in some difference in the odometer too if you put larger diameter tires on it. One would think that the difference if the circumference of the tires is changed by a couple of inches is not going to be worth much in terms of mileage. Might not make it much fun to drive either. Many years ago my father had a Ford pickup with a 352 cid V8. He swapped in a 240 cid inline 6. Mileage improved as the gearing in the truck was intended for the V8. The truck was fine when it got up to speed but a bit of a dog at lower speeds. It wasn't a good idea to load it heavy and need to pull away uphill. It was a manual 3 speed with the column shift. Had to slip the clutch pretty good if there was any load just to get it moving. Not something I would do again as I don't think the mileage increase was worth the sacrifice in performance. If one really wants better fuel economy, I think the answer is to acquire a smaller and therefore hopefully, more efficient vehicle rather than to start messing with this sort of thing. The engineers generally have a pretty good idea of what will work well and what won't. Second guessing them is expensive and seldom all that successful. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of archer Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:08 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biggest tire on 300D. was: Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] yes, a wide variety. OK Don wrote: Maybe stick to the factory circumference, but change the gear ratio in the rear end - I suspect that Kaleb has a wide variety to chose from. On Feb 19, 2008 5:56 PM, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not something I'd play with, stick to factory with circumference. You're better off just pushing a little less hard on the gas pedal to save the bit of gas different tires would make. Aw, c'mon, Gerry just wants to be the first on his block to have a donked Benz. Alex Thanks guys. You're right; I should leave well enough alone, or at most change the diff. But the opportunity to save a few dollars, and the fact that it's a lot easier to change tires than change diffs back and forth makes it hard to pass up the tire change experiment. If I can find a couple of tires in the sizes Mitch mentions, I'll try 'em. If it makes the steering too squirrelly, I'll take 'em off. If I wrap it around a tree and go to my reward, well, it was nice knowing all of you. (-:] Gerry P.S. I will order a diff and a left half axle and a bunch of other stuff from Kaleb after he gets caught up. This diff is getting louder all the time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see
Re: [MBZ] Biggest tire on 300D. was: Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE
Most tires blow due to being under inflated though. The added rolling resistance of an under inflated tire causes internal air temps to rise fast and air pressure to build, resulting in a blowout. Ed 300E Close. Under-inflation causes excess tire flexing. The flexing causes the tire itself to heat to the point it fails - not due to excess air pressure. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biggest tire on 300D. was: Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE
the flexing is what generates the heat, which causes the internal air temp, and thus pressure to rise rapidy, and expand, to the point it blows. hold a balloon over a candle and see what happens. if a tire is grossly (near flat) under inflated, it won't blow as there's nothing in it to blow, you'll just shred it. that's not the same as blowing a tire. Ed 300E On 21/02/2008, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most tires blow due to being under inflated though. The added rolling resistance of an under inflated tire causes internal air temps to rise fast and air pressure to build, resulting in a blowout. Ed 300E Close. Under-inflation causes excess tire flexing. The flexing causes the tire itself to heat to the point it fails - not due to excess air pressure. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biggest tire on 300D. was: Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE
the flexing is what generates the heat, which causes the internal air temp, and thus pressure to rise rapidy, and expand, to the point it blows. hold a balloon over a candle and see what happens. if a tire is grossly (near flat) under inflated, it won't blow as there's nothing in it to blow, you'll just shred it. that's not the same as blowing a tire. That's not the usual failure. The tire carcass itself heats due to excessive flexure, weakens, and the (modest) air pressure that is there blows out the side. The candle analogy is apt. The rubber at the flame weakens, the pressure inside the balloon doesn't change much. If it did the balloon would increase in diameter noticeably before popping. It doesn't. (One of many fun birthday experiments.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
The filling station across the street had gravity flow pumps. The attendant would hand pump the amount of gas you wanted into a glass cylinder at the top of the pump which was marked off in gallons, and then it would drain by gravity through the hose and into your tank. The graduated glass cylinder was one way the customer could be sure he was getting what he paid for. I pumped many a tank out of one of these we had at the barn. Held 10 gallons, usually we'd only pump a few into the tractor. Rusty beat-up old thing from my grandpa's service station. (Had another stored in the barn.) It could be seen (just) from the road, occasionally a stranger would drive in and ask if they could buy it. Never sold it, any modern replacement would require power to pump. It's still there, but decommissioned due to in-ground tank leaks. Now they use a surface tank with a cheap nasty barrel pump on it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biggest tire on 300D. was: Low Profile Tires: Was 300TE
perhaps I drive in a way that is more likely to cause the less likely type of blowout. not that I've ever had a blowout or tire failure of any type. I do run my pressures a little higher, which I find keeps my tire pressures lower and more constant when driving quicker. I also prefer the way the car turns in. braking may suffer a little, but I find more than suffering from reduced contact patch, which would be very slight, it's more that many suspensions are over due a little work, and when the tires are harder, you ask more of the suspension. hop hop hop, hard to stop when the rubber isn't touching ground. You're right, tire flex will cause heat (they shave most of the tread off a new tire for the track for a reason), and generate a weakening, but lets differentiate between under inflated, and near flat. I wonder how many of those sidewall failures are on tires that should have been in the dumpster 5 years ago? Guess the older style tires have much weaker sidewalls too. New low profile tires have very stiff sidewalls for the most part. So stiff, you can hardly tell if a tire is under inflated. I've also heard of guys cutting an under inflated tire with a rim, but again, I would define such a tire as a deflated or near flat tire. So I'm curious, what's everyones opinion on the max age of a tire, regardless of mileage before they toss it? Ed 300E On 21/02/2008, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the flexing is what generates the heat, which causes the internal air temp, and thus pressure to rise rapidy, and expand, to the point it blows. hold a balloon over a candle and see what happens. if a tire is grossly (near flat) under inflated, it won't blow as there's nothing in it to blow, you'll just shred it. that's not the same as blowing a tire. That's not the usual failure. The tire carcass itself heats due to excessive flexure, weakens, and the (modest) air pressure that is there blows out the side. The candle analogy is apt. The rubber at the flame weakens, the pressure inside the balloon doesn't change much. If it did the balloon would increase in diameter noticeably before popping. It doesn't. (One of many fun birthday experiments.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
