[MBZ] cv axle swap
Folks thanks for all the answers and opinions about the CV axle swap between the 80 and 85 300td cars. It seems like, as usual, there are a lot of opinions thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT guns now Soros
That's Mr. whacked out gun nut to you :P On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 08:47:15PM -0700, Zeitgeist wrote: > To see if it's working, or grabbing the wrong stuff. Obviously, given that > it filters out the likes of this and the other fifty wacked-out gun nut > reichwing drivel-threads, it works ever-so-nicely, indeed > > [again, sent from my junk box] > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > What, you read your junk box? What's the point, then? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT guns now Soros
To see if it's working, or grabbing the wrong stuff. Obviously, given that it filters out the likes of this and the other fifty wacked-out gun nut reichwing drivel-threads, it works ever-so-nicely, indeed [again, sent from my junk box] On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What, you read your junk box? What's the point, then? > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT guns now Soros
Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > gawd, this OT filter is workin' so FN great--I love it. Please keep > it up > > [sent from my junk box] What, you read your junk box? What's the point, then? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HOLY CRAP, its MOGTHRA #2
Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > How many people start out an ambitious engine or chassis swap and > then quit when the need for thinking and electrical work comes > along? Or it could be that the $$ and time needed to finish was more than originally imagined. Realizing your project is a money pit takes the enthusiasm right out. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] First '05 E320 Issue: Annoying Growl
Mine does that and I'm pleased to hear it as it verifies that the electronic brakes are getting ready to rock and roll! Speaking of brakes Bob, be prepared to see lots of brake dust on the rear wheels as well as the front. Have fun, John On 4/2/08, Robert Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So..this stinkin' E320's brake system makes this crazy growling sound > periodically. I looked around and evidently it's they system doing some > kind of automatic adjustment. Sometimes it does it when you unlock the > doors. Sometimes it does it when you're at a stop light. It's random. It > appears that the buzzing/growling occurs during the pressure buildup of the > SBC system. Someone on the MBCA forum said there is a fix for it and posted > a PDF of a service bulletin saying the fix is replacing the single suction > damper (AO00 431 04 77) with a suction hose with integral double suction > dampers. I guess I'll get it done Monday. Anybody else have to deal with > this? > > > > Bob R > > '05 E320 45K > > '77 300D 192K > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT guns now Soros
Soros is a creep. A twisted soul right up there with Hitler and Stalin. It should not be surprising the old man was a Nazi collaborator. At 11:08 AM 4/2/2008, you wrote: >No, I believe it is documented, apparently his own admission, but as >with such things, do your own research on his history and decide. I >indicated some skepticism. > >--R > >andrew strasfogel wrote: > > Was this an April Fool's joke - the part about collaborating with > the Nazis? > > > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Rich Thomas < > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> In this lecture he told the story of his father who had been deported to > >> Siberia in WWII or thereabouts, escaped the prison camp and made his way > >> back to Hungary (? I think) by various tricks and thievery and > >> whatever. It was an interesting story and suggested his father was a > >> very strong person. He said that his father told him that if he wanted > >> something, he should do "whatever it takes to get it." Right there I > >> understood his operating principle, that morality was just a bump in the > >> road, if he could even recognize it (I think he is completely amoral). > >> There were strong indications, perhaps his own admissions in the past, > >> that during the war he collaborated with the Nazis in rounding up and > >> persecuting Jews, as he himself had remade himself to hide the fact > >> that he was a Jew (that part is well known). Very scary stuff. > >> > >> Most of the crowd was eating up every word. There were a lot of "smart" > >> people in the audience but their willing suspension of disbelief was > >> astounding. It was a very disconcerting evening, as the tension in the > >> room was quite noticeable. Those (adults in the age sense) who appeared > >> to be supporters of the Soros agenda hooted and hollered occasionally at > >> those who politely asked critical questions of Soros, as was the process > >> that these lectures follow. I did not notice this sort of disrespect > >> directed toward the followers when they asked their questions. My buddy > >> and I went there with sorta open minds about the whole thing, so I found > >> it enlightening, but came away with very strong and disturbing > >> impressions about this man and his followers. We talked about it quite > >> a bit afterwards, my buddy's parents were refugees from Czechoslovakia > >> in the 50s, and had family who were in the Resistance against the Nazis > >> and Communists, he was much more disturbed about it than I was being > >> much closer to that sort of thing. > >> > >> --R > >> > >> LarryT wrote: > >> > >>> Rich wrote<< I think he had the right idea on that point>> > >>> > >>> True - on that one instance - but Soros - a multi-billionaire, has > >>> > >> funded > >> > >>> several anti-gun websites, studies (where the result is pre-determined), > >>> > >> and > >> > >>> other things - including far left democratic party funding. He's not a > >>> friend of the 2nd A - perhaps when that guy asked the question and > >>> > >> defined > >> > >>> the situation (no police response) Soros saw no other workable answer. > >>> > >>> IMO he;s a dangerous person - > >>> > >>> Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) > >>> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > >>> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > >>> PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > >>> 800-583-8601 > >>> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> - Original Message - > >>> From: "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:30 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT guns > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Here in Houston we have a lot of what are euphemistically called > "undocumented immigrants," which is a term for people from (mostly) > Mexico who sneak across the border and come here to work. Most of them > are hard-working decent people who have no future in Mexico for > themselves or their families, due to a lot of reasons. They can find > work and make money to support their extended families here and back > > >> home. > >> > There is a small percentage of these people who seem to account for a > lot of the mayhem that goes on in the greater Houston area (leaving out > Katrina "evacuees" which is whole 'nuther story). They rob and assault > and invade homes (and cars) of people in broad daylight, fast and hard, > in 2s and 3s. Its pretty easy work. In our little community, which a > separate city within Houston, this happens every couple of weeks, older > people or women alone followed home from the store, dinner, etc. There > is no defense except what you can do yourself, even though in our > community police response time is maybe 2 minutes from when they get > > >> the > >> > call. But by then, if you manage to call, the perps are gone with your > goods and in recent times, having hurt their vi
[MBZ] First '05 E320 Issue: Annoying Growl
So..this stinkin' E320's brake system makes this crazy growling sound periodically. I looked around and evidently it's they system doing some kind of automatic adjustment. Sometimes it does it when you unlock the doors. Sometimes it does it when you're at a stop light. It's random. It appears that the buzzing/growling occurs during the pressure buildup of the SBC system. Someone on the MBCA forum said there is a fix for it and posted a PDF of a service bulletin saying the fix is replacing the single suction damper (AO00 431 04 77) with a suction hose with integral double suction dampers. I guess I'll get it done Monday. Anybody else have to deal with this? Bob R '05 E320 45K '77 300D 192K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT guns
there is a real difference with the police of today and the past and this explanation goes a long way to understanding it. back in the day, the police may have carried some kind of ethos of service. today, they are simply at war with the people. I'm thinking back to my few encounters with police over the years and every encounter with an officer under 30 was marked by hostility and aggression on their part, seemingly as if they wanted to provoke some sort of conflict. for the most part, the "old timers" were reasonable to deal with. my ex wife got pulled over by a young cop for a tailight being out. she says he basically shouted at her for 10 minutes about how he might just take her to jail or maybe will give her one more chance if she fixes the issue right away. when she told me this story, i figured he was just some crazy cop over the edge, but now i'm thinking that there is a strategic attempt to create conflict by police so as the justify the use of violence against the citizenry. cops are crazy and dangerous and they are looking to hurt you . drug dealers just want to sell you drugs that you want to buy. i think we have it backwards regarding who we are trying to get off our streets. On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:40 PM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Great explanation Mitch, > > Along those lines - about the militarized training LEOs have been > receiving > in the last 20 years or so - > > The latest issue of Car & Driver has a troubling column by ?? where he > talks > about officers tazering people stopped for traffic violations - I was > hoping > the editorial was on their website - no such luck. > > But here's the next best thing - > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RGe8fJ597w > and the other man tazed - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH_qVJfaYZA > > It looks like youtube has numerous clips like this -- > > I'm typically pro-police but this is wrong. These people were > cooperating > not resisting - IMO it's reasonable to ask why this is being done. The > 1st > instance is well captioned, but the 2nd is not. The magazine article > describes much better than the video what was said before Mr. Massey was > tazed. > > I know opinions are like bellybuttons, but IMO this was an assault. > Worse, > one of those guys could be me - I never back-talk the LEO and always > cooporate - but it looked like thise guys were acting reasonably also. > > Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > 800-583-8601 > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 11:59 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT guns > > > > John Robbins wrote: > >> > >> You keep quoting this statistic... please keep in mind that the police > >> officer is in many more situations that require him to shoot. > >> Basically, I think there is another variable that is missing to further > >> understand that relationship. Until then, I think your statistic is > >> about worthless. > > > > I think it's a lot more meaningful than your explanation. You have > > explained > > why a LEO shoots more than a serf, but not why a LEO is 5x as likely to > > hit > > the wrong target. I can offer a few explanations for that. When somebody > > sticks a gun in a serf's face to rob him, or breaks into the serf's > home, > > the serf knows darn well who needs to be shot. LEOs frequently find > > themselves > > in tense situations where they don't know exactly what's going on, but > > feel > > that they need to shoot SOMEBODY. That stems in part from a militarized > > thought process, where it's drummed into their heads that the most > > important thing is that THEY get home alive (if a serf gets in the way, > > too bad). So we give Joe Average the edge in target identification. > > > > Then there's basic gun safety. It seems that LEOs in this country are > > trained to point their guns at people they don't intend to shoot and > > press the trigger when they don't intend to shoot them. This goes > > double for the paramilitary hit squads, whether you call them SWAT, > > START, or DEA. My local START team apprehended a drug suspect in > > a parking lot, searched him, cuffed him, and then shot him in > > the back while marching him into the back of the van. Bozo was > > holding a Glock in the handcuffed prisoner's back with the trigger > > half pulled, when there was no reason to point it at the prisoner > > or have the finger inside the trigger guard. Department investigation > > showed that he was just following training, and the serf had the > > bad luck to be in their presence when the gun went bang. > > > > Then there's the fact that LEOs handle firearms every day, and thus > > are therefore a lot more likely to have an oopsie than a guy who only > > takes his gun out when he goes to the
[MBZ] '84 190d In Ohio
http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/car/628277249.html Not Mine, No Affiliation, ect. Rick Knoble '87 190DT '85 300CD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT guns
LarryT wrote: > OK - haven't found the total number of officer shootings vs civilian > shootings, (iit's here somewhere) but the number of people accidentally > killed by by prvate ctizens who mistakenly believe the victim to be an > intruder was 30 - while police kill approx 330 innocent individuals per > year. That's only the ones that the police investigation finds didn't need shooting. And yet they whine about how dangerous their jobs supposedly are, when each year 150-200 out of 800,000 cops are killed on the job every year, roughly half with motor vehicles (2/3 of the vehicle deaths being caused by the dead cop) and about 40-50% from firearms, I don't have a breakdown on how many of those were shot by cops. When cops admit that they kill four innocent serfs for every cop who gets shot and killed, it's a pretty clear sign that we need to stop focusing on "bring yourself and your buddies home alive" and start focusing on "how much of a threat is this unarmed guy who's standing up because you told him to get up, and who might be behind him in the line of fire?" The only good thought I can take from all of this is that every cop I know still says "that TV show 'Cops' is an object lesson in how not to act on duty". If cops who weren't showing off for TV whipped out their sidearms as frequently as those bozos do, there'd be a lot more than 80 cops intentionally killed in the USA per year. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT guns
Hey, last post you said "no more"! On 4/2/08, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK - haven't found the total number of officer shootings vs civilian > shootings, (iit's here somewhere) but the number of people accidentally > killed by by prvate ctizens who mistakenly believe the victim to be an > intruder was 30 - while police kill approx 330 innocent individuals per > year. > > More to follow - (bet you can't wait!) > ;-) > > Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > 800-583-8601 > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > > > > - Original Message - > From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 6:39 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT guns > > > > Hi John, > >Thx for reaponding - I'll dig thru the book and find the info that > > goes > > with that. I'm pretty sure there is a number of shootings shown for both > > civilians and officers - remember there are an estomated 2.5 milion > > occurances of private guns used to stop crimes - (I know, I've said that > > before too) so the number between officers and civilians may not be *too* > > out of kilter. > > > >BTW, the 2.5 mil is widely accepted as the most reasonable estimate - > > the low 700k estimate was done by a wildly anti-gun group whose sampling > > techniques left something to be desired. > > > > Take care -- > > > > Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) > > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > > 800-583-8601 > > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "John Robbins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 10:42 AM > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT guns > > > > > >> LarryT wrote: > >>> Prof John Lott came up with the stats on this kind of thing - he said a > >>> police officer shot the wrong person 11% of the time while a private > >>> citizen - with a concealed carry permit IIRC, did so less than 1 or 2% > >>> of > >>> the time. > >> > >> You keep quoting this statistic... please keep in mind that the police > >> officer is in many more situations that require him to shoot. > >> Basically, I think there is another variable that is missing to further > >> understand that relationship. Until then, I think your statistic is > >> about worthless. > >> > >> My $.02 > >> > >> John > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT guns
OK - haven't found the total number of officer shootings vs civilian shootings, (iit's here somewhere) but the number of people accidentally killed by by prvate ctizens who mistakenly believe the victim to be an intruder was 30 - while police kill approx 330 innocent individuals per year. More to follow - (bet you can't wait!) ;-) Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT guns > Hi John, >Thx for reaponding - I'll dig thru the book and find the info that > goes > with that. I'm pretty sure there is a number of shootings shown for both > civilians and officers - remember there are an estomated 2.5 milion > occurances of private guns used to stop crimes - (I know, I've said that > before too) so the number between officers and civilians may not be *too* > out of kilter. > >BTW, the 2.5 mil is widely accepted as the most reasonable estimate - > the low 700k estimate was done by a wildly anti-gun group whose sampling > techniques left something to be desired. > > Take care -- > > Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > 800-583-8601 > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > > > > - Original Message - > From: "John Robbins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 10:42 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT guns > > >> LarryT wrote: >>> Prof John Lott came up with the stats on this kind of thing - he said a >>> police officer shot the wrong person 11% of the time while a private >>> citizen - with a concealed carry permit IIRC, did so less than 1 or 2% >>> of >>> the time. >> >> You keep quoting this statistic... please keep in mind that the police >> officer is in many more situations that require him to shoot. >> Basically, I think there is another variable that is missing to further >> understand that relationship. Until then, I think your statistic is >> about worthless. >> >> My $.02 >> >> John >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Car logos
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Re: [MBZ] New MPG for our 190D
I have gotten between 34-36 MPG with my 190 2.5 turbo. Current milage is about 300,000. I put about 25,000 a year on communting to work. Regards, Robert Massmann 87 190D 2.5T 85 300CD 81 Rabbit Pickup diesel of course - Original Message - From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 6:41 PM Subject: [MBZ] New MPG for our 190D > As an update regarding our 87 190D that has recently completed its first > full tank of fuel after my installing the correct thermostat: > Former MPG (mostly highway) 32.5 > > Current MPG (mostly highway) 29.2 > > Hope it's a fluke!! > > Brian > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT guns
Great explanation Mitch, Along those lines - about the militarized training LEOs have been receiving in the last 20 years or so - The latest issue of Car & Driver has a troubling column by ?? where he talks about officers tazering people stopped for traffic violations - I was hoping the editorial was on their website - no such luck. But here's the next best thing - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RGe8fJ597w and the other man tazed - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH_qVJfaYZA It looks like youtube has numerous clips like this -- I'm typically pro-police but this is wrong. These people were cooperating not resisting - IMO it's reasonable to ask why this is being done. The 1st instance is well captioned, but the 2nd is not. The magazine article describes much better than the video what was said before Mr. Massey was tazed. I know opinions are like bellybuttons, but IMO this was an assault. Worse, one of those guys could be me - I never back-talk the LEO and always cooporate - but it looked like thise guys were acting reasonably also. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT guns > John Robbins wrote: >> >> You keep quoting this statistic... please keep in mind that the police >> officer is in many more situations that require him to shoot. >> Basically, I think there is another variable that is missing to further >> understand that relationship. Until then, I think your statistic is >> about worthless. > > I think it's a lot more meaningful than your explanation. You have > explained > why a LEO shoots more than a serf, but not why a LEO is 5x as likely to > hit > the wrong target. I can offer a few explanations for that. When somebody > sticks a gun in a serf's face to rob him, or breaks into the serf's home, > the serf knows darn well who needs to be shot. LEOs frequently find > themselves > in tense situations where they don't know exactly what's going on, but > feel > that they need to shoot SOMEBODY. That stems in part from a militarized > thought process, where it's drummed into their heads that the most > important thing is that THEY get home alive (if a serf gets in the way, > too bad). So we give Joe Average the edge in target identification. > > Then there's basic gun safety. It seems that LEOs in this country are > trained to point their guns at people they don't intend to shoot and > press the trigger when they don't intend to shoot them. This goes > double for the paramilitary hit squads, whether you call them SWAT, > START, or DEA. My local START team apprehended a drug suspect in > a parking lot, searched him, cuffed him, and then shot him in > the back while marching him into the back of the van. Bozo was > holding a Glock in the handcuffed prisoner's back with the trigger > half pulled, when there was no reason to point it at the prisoner > or have the finger inside the trigger guard. Department investigation > showed that he was just following training, and the serf had the > bad luck to be in their presence when the gun went bang. > > Then there's the fact that LEOs handle firearms every day, and thus > are therefore a lot more likely to have an oopsie than a guy who only > takes his gun out when he goes to the range or when somebody breaks > into his house. The fact that the gun might be pointed at a human > when the oopsie occurs stems from the fact that LEOs firearm training > is piss poor. > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Manual tranny swaps [was: SDL won't move]
The clutch pedal assembly and slave cylinder and gearshifter is the other big part of the manual tranny set up. The best way to do this is to scrounge the parts out of wrecks in Euroland, complete with gearboxes. Hendrik with a soon to be converted 230E 5 speed, time for the interior work today Alex Chamberlain wrote: > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:09 AM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Maybe a T5 world class would be OK. I figured if I were going to the trouble >> of making or sourcing a bellhousing and finding a clutch disk that >> would work, and adapting the linkages, I'd spend a little more >> for a T56. It has one more gear, is much stronger, and only weighs >> 20-30lb more. >> > > OK, so the next question is, how much trouble to make a bellhousing > and the rest of the parts, and is this something that could be put > together as a conversion kit in a small-scale production run for a > reasonable price? I would think there'd be a lot of people > interested. > > Alex > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT guns
The statistic means that for every 100 times an officer shoots at a person, 11 of those are the wrong target, whereas a civilian with a concealed weapon only makes 1 or 2 'mistakes' for every 100 shots. However I agree that this statistic is flawed insofar as that a police officer has to go into situations but often the situation comes to a civilian and they would have more time to get an idea of what is going on. You put an average civilian with a handgun into the situations a police officer faces and I dare say the wrong shooting percentage would be higher than 11. Hendrik John Robbins wrote: > LarryT wrote: > >> Prof John Lott came up with the stats on this kind of thing - he said a >> police officer shot the wrong person 11% of the time while a private >> citizen - with a concealed carry permit IIRC, did so less than 1 or 2% of >> the time. >> > > You keep quoting this statistic... please keep in mind that the police > officer is in many more situations that require him to shoot. > Basically, I think there is another variable that is missing to further > understand that relationship. Until then, I think your statistic is > about worthless. > > My $.02 > > John > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Guns, what else?
Sorry - no more - Now that's good news! But now I have to add another filter regarding politics. Sneaky how you got that one in Larry. On your own time, you might want to research how folks like Obama can change their positions from 12 years ago! John On 4/2/08, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Found this about one of the candidates - >The 1996 General Candidate Questionnaire from Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), > when he was about to run for his very first political office as a State > Senator of Illinois in the 13th District. In the survey, Barack Obama > indicated that he: > >a.. Opposes Capital Punishment >b.. Opposes prosecuting violent adolescents as adults >c.. Opposes Mandatory Sentencing for people convicted of crimes >d.. Supports a ban on handguns >e.. Supports a ban on semi-automatic "assault weapons" > I have the complete questionaire if anyone questions the above statements - > >As far as your comments about training kids - the Eddie Eagle safety > program (developed by ther NRA) has reaped huge positive results that saved > many children's lives. > >IMO you are exactly correct about teaching kids how to handle a gun - > naturally the montra of "Don;t touch it - tell an adult" will only work with > some kids. As you note, many kids will have curiosity that will win them > over. Best they know how to make the gun safety - that removing the clip > leaves one in the chamber and a semi-auto will fire with the smallest > pressure - even a childs squeeze.A revolver is only slightly more > difficult to fire. Expecting all kids to walk away from a gun is not > realistic. And most important they need to be taught to not point the gun > toward anything they do not plan to destroy completely and forever. > >Additionally every child needs to understand what a gun can do - seeing > bullets bounce off walls on TV - does little to teach the amount of > destruction virtually *any* gun is capable of. A visit to a gun range > where various things can be fired at helps illustrate this. Better yet, > ask the child what they think will protect them from a bullet - then show > them how well it stands up - a door might be suggested - contrary to TV > and movies - bullets go thru without slowing down. > > Sorry - no more - > > Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > 800-583-8601 > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > > > > - Original Message - > From: "LWB250" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Okie Benz" > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 5:57 PM > Subject: [MBZ] OT - Guns, what else? > > > > As far as gun safety, I think every child or pre-teen > > should be required to take the NRA gun safety course > > or it's equivalent. > > > > This was an absolute in my house when growing up, even > > though the only gun that was ever in the place was my > > Dad's .22 pistol. It doesn't take long, it's > > thorough, and it teaches a basic understanding of gun > > safety. > > > > While I'm not an NRA member or a big advocate of > > owning firearms, (I do believe it's our right) I > > firmly believe that if people were better educated > > about handling them there would be far fewer accidents > > and deaths as a result. > > > > FWIW, I once mentioned this to a sheriff that had come > > into our school to do an "Officer Friendly" program > > for 2nd and 3rd graders about gun safety. The main > > idea of this was to tell them to never touch a gun, > > and if they ever saw one, to call an adult. While in > > theory this is a wonderful idea, in practice I think > > we all know it's BS. A child of this age is going to > > want to check it out, and if they don't know the basic > > safety practices, there is a good chance they'll use > > their "booger hook" to give one of their friends lead > > poisoning. > > > > He told me I was nuts, and that teaching a child how > > to handle a gun was more likely to encourage them to > > use one. > > > > Yikes. > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster > > Total Access, No Cost. > > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > _
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
General rule of thumb is that if a box slowly dies it needs a rebuild but if it just stops working then it is a fault that can sometimes be easily fixed but won't be cheap because most times the box still has to come out of the car. Hendrik Kevin wrote: > Pretty much. I'd check fluid level first, then probably drop the pan and > look for badness sitting in the pan. > > Don't worry, at least these transmissions are a pain to swap out without a > lift. Rusty sells rebuilds (and the one in my 87 300D seemed fine after 150k > or so miles), that failing, you're looking at resealing a junkyard special, > which isn't overly fun, easy, or cheap. > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Continuing intermittent vacuum problems
Yes, and therefore the pump is working better when pulling 22" then if it were only pulling 15". Manfred Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:54:07 -0400 From: Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes on my MityVac, the closest thing I have to a vacuum test tool, the gauge starts at zero and at measures up to 30" Hg vacuum. So my this reading, 22" is a higher (deeper?) vacuum than 15". Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] New MPG for our 190D
As an update regarding our 87 190D that has recently completed its first full tank of fuel after my installing the correct thermostat: Former MPG (mostly highway) 32.5 Current MPG (mostly highway) 29.2 Hope it's a fluke!! Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT guns
Hi John, Thx for reaponding - I'll dig thru the book and find the info that goes with that. I'm pretty sure there is a number of shootings shown for both civilians and officers - remember there are an estomated 2.5 milion occurances of private guns used to stop crimes - (I know, I've said that before too) so the number between officers and civilians may not be *too* out of kilter. BTW, the 2.5 mil is widely accepted as the most reasonable estimate - the low 700k estimate was done by a wildly anti-gun group whose sampling techniques left something to be desired. Take care -- Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: "John Robbins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT guns > LarryT wrote: >> Prof John Lott came up with the stats on this kind of thing - he said a >> police officer shot the wrong person 11% of the time while a private >> citizen - with a concealed carry permit IIRC, did so less than 1 or 2% of >> the time. > > You keep quoting this statistic... please keep in mind that the police > officer is in many more situations that require him to shoot. > Basically, I think there is another variable that is missing to further > understand that relationship. Until then, I think your statistic is > about worthless. > > My $.02 > > John > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Manual tranny swaps [was: SDL won't move]
I really like to row my own, every chance I get. For years I used an old 911 for daily transport, and was often in bumper to bumper traffic. The clutch had a little weight to it, so by the end of summer, my left leg was always a little bigger than my right. I drove a friends new VW GTI this week with one of those paddle shifters. I really don't get what those are all about, but he things it's just the cats a**. If I was on the track and had the clock on me, and it gave me a bit of an advantage during comp, sure, you use anything you can to win, but on a road car? As you say, depends where and how you drive, and what your cup of tea is. Ed 300E On 02/04/2008, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It sort of depends where and when you will drive it too. If it is a fun > car for the weekend and you will drive it > on the highway, then a nice standard transmission will be fun. If you > drive it to work in the city and there is > fair amount of stop and go then it may drive you nuts. I have had several > standard transmission vehicles. Some are > still fun to drive in town. I had a Honda Civic with a 5 speed that was > fun in town and not so fun on the highway. > I kept trying to shift up one more time when I was in 5th. It was too > buzzy. I have also had a couple of SUV's or > trucks with manual 5 speeds. Our 98 F150 4X4 is a 4.2 V6 with the manual 5 > speed and is really no fun at all in > traffic. It will not lug down like our old 4Runner so you either have to > slip the clutch a bit in 2nd or go all the > way to low. On the highway it is fine. In town I wouldn't buy another one. > > Randy > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of E M > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 3:28 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Manual tranny swaps [was: SDL won't move] > > > When ppl in North America bought Porsche 928s, they had the option of auto > > of stick. Something like 90% opted for auto (which were Benz based). You > can see how the Germans drew their conclusions about us. :-) The fact > that > the latest porsche GT2 has a more of less gutted interior and over 500 hp, > and yet, retains cup holds is just the Germans pointing a finger at us and > laughing I think. hee hee. ;-) I bet most of those cup holders will get > used too. > > Ed > 300E > > On 02/04/2008, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Well, then, I am NOT going over there to buy a new car any time soon. > > That'll show them. Piffle. > > > > --R > > > > Mitch Haley wrote: > > > Rolf wrote: > > > > > >> the Germans assumed us lazy americans only wanted automatics... > > >> > > > > > > I think that MBUSA decides how it wants to position Benz > > > in this country, and I don't think the readers of this list > > > are their target audience. > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Continuing intermittent vacuum problems
Interesting that sounds like at rest it shows 30psi. That makes sense when put together with the fact that your vac pump can only pull it down to about 15 or so. That is a 1 atmosphere pressure difference and about all you can expect from the vac pump. Try to find your Mityvac and hook that up to the gauge and see how they compare. You should see that gauge going down and the gauge on the mityvac should be going up. Let me know when you get a chance to try that. Manfred Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:34:34 -0500 From: Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The one I generally use (its big with a long hose so I can put it somewhere and see it) pegs at 30 and when it gets sucked on goes down to whatever. I found it in a box of junk in my dad's garage, he probably bought it at a barn sale or something. It seems to be a pretty good one. On the Mity-Vac I can't remember how it goes, maybe my brain compensates or something. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Manual tranny swaps [was: SDL won't move]
Old Jags are great fun, even if they do need a tune up every time they get rained on. Ed 300E On 02/04/2008, LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Back in my early days, just out of trade school, I > worked for a guy who owned eight Jags of various > models and years. One of them was a 1976 (8?) XJ12. > It was a the early one, as it had carbs rather than > fuel injection. > > I seem to recall him telling me it was a $60k car new, > and I think he paid about $10k for it in 1980. > > While it was a PITA to maintain, it sure was a sweet > car to drive when it ran. Probably the worst part was > keeping the carbs synched and the electricals working. > > I remember having to R&R the water pump on it. IIRC, > flat rate was something like 16 hours. You > practically had to disassemble the whole front of the > car to get to the darned thing > > Dan > > > > --- Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > E M wrote: > > > > > > > When ppl in North America bought Porsche 928s, > > they had the option of auto > > > of stick. Something like 90% opted for auto > > (which were Benz based). > > > > > I can remember Road & Track doing a used car classic > > or sort of exotic > > cars that had depreciated quite a bit. They had a > > 928, a 380SL, and a V12 > > Jag. I remember one thing they said about the 928 > > was "clutch life about > > 10k miles, buy an automatic instead". > > > > > > > > > > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster > Total Access, No Cost. > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Guns, what else?
Found this about one of the candidates - The 1996 General Candidate Questionnaire from Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), when he was about to run for his very first political office as a State Senator of Illinois in the 13th District. In the survey, Barack Obama indicated that he: a.. Opposes Capital Punishment b.. Opposes prosecuting violent adolescents as adults c.. Opposes Mandatory Sentencing for people convicted of crimes d.. Supports a ban on handguns e.. Supports a ban on semi-automatic "assault weapons" I have the complete questionaire if anyone questions the above statements - As far as your comments about training kids - the Eddie Eagle safety program (developed by ther NRA) has reaped huge positive results that saved many children's lives. IMO you are exactly correct about teaching kids how to handle a gun - naturally the montra of "Don;t touch it - tell an adult" will only work with some kids. As you note, many kids will have curiosity that will win them over. Best they know how to make the gun safety - that removing the clip leaves one in the chamber and a semi-auto will fire with the smallest pressure - even a childs squeeze.A revolver is only slightly more difficult to fire. Expecting all kids to walk away from a gun is not realistic. And most important they need to be taught to not point the gun toward anything they do not plan to destroy completely and forever. Additionally every child needs to understand what a gun can do - seeing bullets bounce off walls on TV - does little to teach the amount of destruction virtually *any* gun is capable of. A visit to a gun range where various things can be fired at helps illustrate this. Better yet, ask the child what they think will protect them from a bullet - then show them how well it stands up - a door might be suggested - contrary to TV and movies - bullets go thru without slowing down. Sorry - no more - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: "LWB250" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Okie Benz" Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 5:57 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT - Guns, what else? > As far as gun safety, I think every child or pre-teen > should be required to take the NRA gun safety course > or it's equivalent. > > This was an absolute in my house when growing up, even > though the only gun that was ever in the place was my > Dad's .22 pistol. It doesn't take long, it's > thorough, and it teaches a basic understanding of gun > safety. > > While I'm not an NRA member or a big advocate of > owning firearms, (I do believe it's our right) I > firmly believe that if people were better educated > about handling them there would be far fewer accidents > and deaths as a result. > > FWIW, I once mentioned this to a sheriff that had come > into our school to do an "Officer Friendly" program > for 2nd and 3rd graders about gun safety. The main > idea of this was to tell them to never touch a gun, > and if they ever saw one, to call an adult. While in > theory this is a wonderful idea, in practice I think > we all know it's BS. A child of this age is going to > want to check it out, and if they don't know the basic > safety practices, there is a good chance they'll use > their "booger hook" to give one of their friends lead > poisoning. > > He told me I was nuts, and that teaching a child how > to handle a gun was more likely to encourage them to > use one. > > Yikes. > > Dan > > > > > > > > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster > Total Access, No Cost. > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Manual tranny swaps [was: SDL won't move]
I rebuilt a 32 valve 928 engine once due to a bad water pump. Friend rebuilt the water pump, and didn't have the right press to do the job. The water pump shaft started to wobble, and the timing belt ran of the back of it, so caused the belt to skip a few teeth and it bent 8 of the 32 valves. Tight fit too, the engine had to come out the bottom if I remember. Ed 300E On 02/04/2008, LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Back in my early days, just out of trade school, I > worked for a guy who owned eight Jags of various > models and years. One of them was a 1976 (8?) XJ12. > It was a the early one, as it had carbs rather than > fuel injection. > > I seem to recall him telling me it was a $60k car new, > and I think he paid about $10k for it in 1980. > > While it was a PITA to maintain, it sure was a sweet > car to drive when it ran. Probably the worst part was > keeping the carbs synched and the electricals working. > > I remember having to R&R the water pump on it. IIRC, > flat rate was something like 16 hours. You > practically had to disassemble the whole front of the > car to get to the darned thing > > Dan > > > > --- Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > E M wrote: > > > > > > > When ppl in North America bought Porsche 928s, > > they had the option of auto > > > of stick. Something like 90% opted for auto > > (which were Benz based). > > > > > I can remember Road & Track doing a used car classic > > or sort of exotic > > cars that had depreciated quite a bit. They had a > > 928, a 380SL, and a V12 > > Jag. I remember one thing they said about the 928 > > was "clutch life about > > 10k miles, buy an automatic instead". > > > > > > > > > > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster > Total Access, No Cost. > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Manual tranny swaps [was: SDL won't move]
Woo, progress. Fast forward to 2005, where a 1.8 turbo powered B5 volkswagen passat requires the same thing. Catch is the 1.8 is a belt engine, so you get the pleasure of doing that fun every 60k or so. And yes, the front part of the car literally comes off. Bumper, nose piece, radiator... On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 03:03:16PM -0700, LWB250 wrote: > I remember having to R&R the water pump on it. IIRC, > flat rate was something like 16 hours. You > practically had to disassemble the whole front of the > car to get to the darned thing ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
In a message dated 4/2/2008 2:21:25 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What would it take, I wonder, to adapt a modern manual trans to > Mercedes engines? TransAdapt and Kennedy are two big makers of custom transmission adapters. You can put the six speed from the 93 and up Camaro and Firebird behind most popular engines including the Hemi and the Northstar. Kennedy supplies their adapters with a suitable fywheel as well. They have a huge choice of adapters for most engines to the VW/Porsche pattern transmissions for the dune buggy crowd. Prices run 500 and up. I bet if Kennedy had an order for 10 or so they would whip one up! Now then, if you want to talk transmissions, check out Mendeola. They make a sequential shifting 5 speed good for 800 HP in an off road truck application. The trans pattern is VW, but as mentioned above, lots of adapters available. For a top of the line unit, complete with shifter, bring about $20,000. Dream on! Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles (original automatic 4-speed) 98 ML 320, 155 K miles (original automatic 5-speed) Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 155 K miles **Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv000316) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Manual tranny swaps [was: SDL won't move]
Back in my early days, just out of trade school, I worked for a guy who owned eight Jags of various models and years. One of them was a 1976 (8?) XJ12. It was a the early one, as it had carbs rather than fuel injection. I seem to recall him telling me it was a $60k car new, and I think he paid about $10k for it in 1980. While it was a PITA to maintain, it sure was a sweet car to drive when it ran. Probably the worst part was keeping the carbs synched and the electricals working. I remember having to R&R the water pump on it. IIRC, flat rate was something like 16 hours. You practically had to disassemble the whole front of the car to get to the darned thing Dan --- Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > E M wrote: > > > > When ppl in North America bought Porsche 928s, > they had the option of auto > > of stick. Something like 90% opted for auto > (which were Benz based). > > I can remember Road & Track doing a used car classic > or sort of exotic > cars that had depreciated quite a bit. They had a > 928, a 380SL, and a V12 > Jag. I remember one thing they said about the 928 > was "clutch life about > 10k miles, buy an automatic instead". > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT - Guns, what else?
As far as gun safety, I think every child or pre-teen should be required to take the NRA gun safety course or it's equivalent. This was an absolute in my house when growing up, even though the only gun that was ever in the place was my Dad's .22 pistol. It doesn't take long, it's thorough, and it teaches a basic understanding of gun safety. While I'm not an NRA member or a big advocate of owning firearms, (I do believe it's our right) I firmly believe that if people were better educated about handling them there would be far fewer accidents and deaths as a result. FWIW, I once mentioned this to a sheriff that had come into our school to do an "Officer Friendly" program for 2nd and 3rd graders about gun safety. The main idea of this was to tell them to never touch a gun, and if they ever saw one, to call an adult. While in theory this is a wonderful idea, in practice I think we all know it's BS. A child of this age is going to want to check it out, and if they don't know the basic safety practices, there is a good chance they'll use their "booger hook" to give one of their friends lead poisoning. He told me I was nuts, and that teaching a child how to handle a gun was more likely to encourage them to use one. Yikes. Dan You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Manual tranny swaps [was: SDL won't move]
It sort of depends where and when you will drive it too. If it is a fun car for the weekend and you will drive it on the highway, then a nice standard transmission will be fun. If you drive it to work in the city and there is fair amount of stop and go then it may drive you nuts. I have had several standard transmission vehicles. Some are still fun to drive in town. I had a Honda Civic with a 5 speed that was fun in town and not so fun on the highway. I kept trying to shift up one more time when I was in 5th. It was too buzzy. I have also had a couple of SUV's or trucks with manual 5 speeds. Our 98 F150 4X4 is a 4.2 V6 with the manual 5 speed and is really no fun at all in traffic. It will not lug down like our old 4Runner so you either have to slip the clutch a bit in 2nd or go all the way to low. On the highway it is fine. In town I wouldn't buy another one. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of E M Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 3:28 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Manual tranny swaps [was: SDL won't move] When ppl in North America bought Porsche 928s, they had the option of auto of stick. Something like 90% opted for auto (which were Benz based). You can see how the Germans drew their conclusions about us. :-) The fact that the latest porsche GT2 has a more of less gutted interior and over 500 hp, and yet, retains cup holds is just the Germans pointing a finger at us and laughing I think. hee hee. ;-) I bet most of those cup holders will get used too. Ed 300E On 02/04/2008, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, then, I am NOT going over there to buy a new car any time soon. > That'll show them. Piffle. > > --R > > Mitch Haley wrote: > > Rolf wrote: > > > >> the Germans assumed us lazy americans only wanted automatics... > >> > > > > I think that MBUSA decides how it wants to position Benz > > in this country, and I don't think the readers of this list > > are their target audience. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Manual tranny swaps [was: SDL won't move]
More the syncros than the clutches. Anyone who can only manage 10,000 miles out of a clutch probably shouldn't be allowed to drive one. I think I still have an old issue of the R&T you're talking about. I seem to remember a Ferrari V12 in there too, a 330 ? Those looking now for an old 928, pay a premium for one with a stick. Makes the car a lot more fun. ;-) Ed 300E On 02/04/2008, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > E M wrote: > > > > When ppl in North America bought Porsche 928s, they had the option of > auto > > of stick. Something like 90% opted for auto (which were Benz based). > > > I can remember Road & Track doing a used car classic or sort of exotic > cars that had depreciated quite a bit. They had a 928, a 380SL, and a V12 > Jag. I remember one thing they said about the 928 was "clutch life about > 10k miles, buy an automatic instead". > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Manual tranny swaps [was: SDL won't move]
E M wrote: > > When ppl in North America bought Porsche 928s, they had the option of auto > of stick. Something like 90% opted for auto (which were Benz based). I can remember Road & Track doing a used car classic or sort of exotic cars that had depreciated quite a bit. They had a 928, a 380SL, and a V12 Jag. I remember one thing they said about the 928 was "clutch life about 10k miles, buy an automatic instead". ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Manual tranny swaps [was: SDL won't move]
When ppl in North America bought Porsche 928s, they had the option of auto of stick. Something like 90% opted for auto (which were Benz based). You can see how the Germans drew their conclusions about us. :-) The fact that the latest porsche GT2 has a more of less gutted interior and over 500 hp, and yet, retains cup holds is just the Germans pointing a finger at us and laughing I think. hee hee. ;-) I bet most of those cup holders will get used too. Ed 300E On 02/04/2008, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, then, I am NOT going over there to buy a new car any time soon. > That'll show them. Piffle. > > --R > > Mitch Haley wrote: > > Rolf wrote: > > > >> the Germans assumed us lazy americans only wanted automatics... > >> > > > > I think that MBUSA decides how it wants to position Benz > > in this country, and I don't think the readers of this list > > are their target audience. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
Only money. :-) Ed 300E > > > What would it take, I wonder, to adapt a modern manual trans to > Mercedes engines? Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo et al. > > > - > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster > Total Access, No Cost. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
I guess the bigger the turbo, the more lag. Small turbos spool up faster, that's one of the big reasons you now see 2 or more smaller ones on high performance cars. A diesel engine has better torque than a gasser as a general rule, so you may not have the same lag off the line, all things being equal, and of course nothing is equal in the comparison. hee hee. In the end, it may be more hassle and money than it's worth trying to make an older diesel do what a BMW gasser of the same vintage does. An older 5 series of the similar vintage will have a nice 5 speed, be a lot quicker and I'm not so sure it would be all the more to run than a diesel, if any. I always feel you should enjoy the car for what it is, and if you have to get into serious mods to make it into what you want, it's probably not the right car for you anymore. Just my thoughts on modifying cars. Ed 300E On 02/04/2008, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Marshall always said a manual trans in a turbo car was a mistake as it > would be a dog off the line. > I'm wondering though if you combined a good 5 or 6 speed manual with a > GT2056V turbo you might have something good. > IE the reason that the manual is no good is because the turbo spools up > too slowly, fix that problem and your reason to not have a manual trans goes > away... > > -Curt > > Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:30:44 -0700 > From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 6:52 AM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My 78 240D did that a couple of years ago. Ended up installing a > used > > tranny. It's times like this that makes me REALLY want a manual > tranny - > > B2 perhaps? > > > > > > What would it take, I wonder, to adapt a modern manual trans to > Mercedes engines? Ideally, it'd be one that's readily available used, > has wide aftermarket support so that it could easily be rebuilt with a > choice of ratios, and can handle the power and torque of a souped-up > diesel or gas V-8. I'm thinking a Borg-Warner T5 as used in the > Mustang GT, Camaro, and a zillion hot rods and kit cars. > > Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo et al. > > > - > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster > Total Access, No Cost. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W126 300SD interior, tex or leather?
I'm not sure which W126 model my leather seats came from, but they bolted right in and connected right up. I think it starts getting a bit trickier with the W126 models with seat memory positions (1984?). There's an extra button on the switch, IIRC. I'm not sure if there's any additional wiring, but if so, that would have to be put in along with the switches. Sounds like a nice, fun Spring project to me! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267K+ miles, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W126 300SD interior, tex or leather?
My '83 has Tex in it (other than the transplanted front seats which are leather. Both leather and Tex were available. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267K+, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stupid mersu tricks
Nah, just cheap red hootch. Like Rumpole of the Bailey - "Chateau Thames Enbankment" or maybe for Winnipeg "Chateau Red Embankment". Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stupid mersu tricks I hope it's a good Canadian Red from Henry of Pelham (Niagara) or Inniskillin (eastern B.C.). On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 7:32 PM, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Wilton, you are never too old to learn to drink. You might even like > it. It does seem to appeal to some of us > more than others. I have a couple of glasses of red wine with dinner every > night. > > Randy > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of wilton strickland > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:13 PM > To: mercedes > Subject: [MBZ] Stupid mersu tricks > > > The white 124 "plowing" the field reminds of a good lesson I had about > drunks nearly 65 years ago. On a Sunday afternoon in about June of 1943, > my > parents and I went to visit my oldest brother and his wife. They weren't > at > home, but we learned they were visiting her sister a half mile or so away, > so we stopped there. While there, my brother's BIL came in drunk. His > wife > started yelling at him for being drunk; he rushed back out, jumped in the > car (a '36 or so Terraplane - a Hudson with a hood about 6 feet long > housing > a straight 8) and tore wide open down the driveway. At the road, he > couldn't make the turn onto the pavement, and jumped the ditch on the far > side of the road into a corn field. For at least 10 minutes, he "plowed" > every inch of that field of mature corn. 'Don't think his right foot > (with > accelerator beneath it) ever left the floor as corn and dirt/mud flew. > Finally, after there was no more corn left standing, he roared back across > the ditch and away up the road. That and some antics by my oldest brother > at other times caused me to NEVER be a drinker. I've always thought that > I > could make enough of a fool of myself while completely sober. > > BTW, what's a mersu - Mercedes? > > Wilton, teetotaler > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hey Kaleb and Rusty - eBay store item idea
good idea Alex Chamberlain wrote: > How about offering a kit containing all the replacement injector line > clips and associated hardware for the 603 or 617? Everybody knows > that when one clip breaks and your hard lines start rattling around, > all the plastic clips and stuff ought to be replaced all at once. But > trying to figure out from the EPC exactly how many you need of each, > and what the part numbers are, is a big pain. Just a thought. > > Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo et al. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear bumper 87 300SDL
You have to remove the whole bumper anyway but once its off you can seperate it if you want. 87 300SDL wrote: > > Hello List > I have a 87 300SDL and the rear bumper outside plastc cover has been hit > at one time and now is cracked and also has some paint fade. > > Is it possible to remove the plastic cover and replace it or do you have to > replace the whole rear bumper? > > > Thanks > RC > _ > Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. > http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN51N1653A > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W126 300SD interior, tex or leather?
There were some 126's with tex, I have seen SD's this way as well as some SDL's. NEver seen a higher end model with tex though Alex Chamberlain wrote: > Did all W126 300SDs get leather from the factory like 300SDLs did, or > are some (or all) MB-Tex? > > Asking because I'm going to look at an '83 where the seller says the > interior is in great shape except that "a patch on the driver's seat > has worn through to the backing material." Sounds like he's talking > about tex, but I thought they were all leather. (I don't have any > pictures yet to look at the perforation pattern or other telltales.) > > Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo et al. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
Thats the older trannies, that are in cars like the 115 240D, 300D and others. Its the reverse that goes out on those, tightened the bolt and it works again. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > which tranny series had an external band bolt that backed out, making the > trans inoperative? > > Jim in Phoenix > > > -Original Message- > From: Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Sent: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 7:25 pm > Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move > > > > The tach works like normal...throttle response is normal. When the speedo > dropped to zero, the tach dropped to idle. The problem seems > mechanicalhow > else would the tranny not go into any gear? > > Luther, dreading a trans rebuild -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
Might want to be careful with that. Many insurance plans that have tow coverage on them will file a claim against the policy if you use the tow portion. This will in turn look just like any other claim on insurance and raise your premium. Better off just paying a tow truck or getting AAA Luther wrote: > I'm going to call my insurance and have them tow the car to my house > (gotta make > use of the premium somehow...) and do some diagnosis tomorrow > morning/afternoon. > > Luther, hoping for a quietly damaged flex disk -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TD CV axle swaps
The axles are the same and will fit, but you cant simply just put new boots on them. Well you can I suppose but it wont last long. To fix them properly requires alot of expensive tools and equipment. Good OE used ones from me are the best bet Rick Hawkins Java wrote: > Folks: > > I have a friend who wants to change the rubber boots on his CV axles > on his 1980 non turbo 300TD > > he has another good set of axles from a 1985 300TD (turbo, of course) > > his idea was to reboot, clean and refurb the pair from the 1985 so > they are ready for a quick swap into the 1980 > > this will help him avoid down time with the car > > the big question . are the axles the same and will they fit? > > > > > thanks, > > xx rick > Rick Hawkins > > www.javaphoto.com > www.javacycles.com > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
The rear pump is not enough to run the tranny, it will only serve to tow start and provide emergency lubrication in the event the car has to be towed somewhere. Tony Wirtel wrote: >> You must have lifted your foot -- the engine will race otherwise. If >> you were coasting, it might have dropped, but with the CC it should >> have raced the engine. >> >> The speedometer dropping to zero might indicate that the drive gear >> failed, but it should keep reading if the driveline is turning as the >> car rolled, unless you sheared a flex disk or snapped a pinion gear. >> >> You need to examine the driveline for damage, and check to make sure >> the bolts that hold the torque convertor to the flywheel are intact >> (although they usually make a racket when they break off). Check the >> shifter bushings and link to make sure it didn't fall off (it >> happens) leaving the shift lever unconnected to the transmission. >> >> Otherwise, the most likely thing is a sheared pump drive. No pump, no >> pressure, no pressure no clutch engagement, it's in neutral and will >> stay there. >> >> Peter > > Peter- > > I was thinking along the same lines. But this car has a second pump > at the rear, so there would still be pressure to operate the > transmission although if the torque converter bolt went theres no > power to transmit from the engine. > > When it went wonky did the speedo go to zero immediately or as you > slowed to a stop? > > IF the converter bolts went it should be easy to see, but you need the > car up in the air to find out- with the car up and the engine running, > the converter would be stationary when viewed from underneath through > the same cutout you drain the converter from. When at idle is it at > regular idle speed or does it seem slower than usual? Does running > the AC really lug it? If not, then the OVP is fine (I'm pretty sure > you lose the tach w/o the OPV). > > Other than that, I can't connect these dots! In any case you'll need > to get underneath; would also be good to check for operating and > modulator pressures. Another thing (grasping at straws) is perhaps > the filter is plugged and theres no fluid being drawn? > > Tony Wirtel > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
Yes hence the email I sent earlier about the CRD adapter. Not much you can do on an om617 other than increase fuel, intercool and a better turbo. A manual transmission will always have better pull off the line all the way to second gear, its the lag in between gears that kills you if you are a slow shifter. I rarely have much lag in between as long as I am shifting to a point where the turbo will still be spooled in the next gear. There are some VGT Holsets which have t3 flanges and would be better suited for higher output operations but the GT2056V is pretty well suited. The biggest issue is controlling the vanes, however members over at superturbodiesel.com are moving to using the VCV combined with boost from the manifold to control the vanes using 2 actuators. It will be interesting to see how it turns out. I am still rooting for electronic control using the electronic boost sensor, rack sensor on the 85 IP and tach feeds to build maps. My first will be all manual however. -Rolf Alex Chamberlain wrote: > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Marshall always said a manual trans in a turbo car was a mistake as it >> would be a dog off the line. >> I'm wondering though if you combined a good 5 or 6 speed manual with a >> GT2056V turbo you might have something good. >> IE the reason that the manual is no good is because the turbo spools up too >> slowly, fix that problem and your reason to not have a manual trans goes >> away... >> >> > > Makes sense to me. I've driven a '99 or 2000 VW TDI with a stick and > a variable-displacement turbo. Very snappy off the line with no > perceptible turbo.lag---the turbo spools right up as soon as you hit > the go pedal. > > Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo et al. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Manual tranny swaps [was: SDL won't move]
Well, then, I am NOT going over there to buy a new car any time soon. That'll show them. Piffle. --R Mitch Haley wrote: > Rolf wrote: > >> the Germans assumed us lazy americans only wanted automatics... >> > > I think that MBUSA decides how it wants to position Benz > in this country, and I don't think the readers of this list > are their target audience. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Man bites dog, was guns
Most likely too true Loren. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Man bites dog, was guns Randy, That gave me the best laugh I have had in a few days! From my standpoint it is very humorous. Sounds like Y'all have a bit of identity crisis. At 10:53 AM 4/1/2008, you wrote: >We are sort of all over the map. Traditionally, we are "barristers >and solicitors" since one has not been able to >be only one or the other for many many years. We still get 2 >certificates. One proclaims that we were "called to >the bar" and the other says "admitted and enrolled a >solicitor". Some folks Americanize themselves by calling >themselves "attorneys". In court it is often "Counsel". The rules >now often refer to us as "lawyer" since I guess >they were attempting to simplify and reduce the language to >something more understandable and less archaic. > >Randy > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Loren Faeth >Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 5:59 PM >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Man bites dog, was guns > > >Randy, You are NOT a scumbag lawyer! I was only talking about the >scumbags. 'sides, up Nort, I thought you were referred to as Barristers! > >At 07:19 PM 3/31/2008, you wrote: > >Hey Loren, lawyer's family needs to eat too! My wife is always happy > >to read in the paper that there continues to > >be a need for lawyers. (Not that I do that sort of law.) > > > >Randy > > > >-Original Message- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Loren Faeth > >Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 4:21 PM > >To: Mercedes Discussion List > >Subject: [MBZ] Man bites dog, was guns > > > > > > From Saturday: > > > > >http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/2008032 > > 9/NEWS/803290329/-1/archive > > > > From Sunday: > >http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/2008033 > 0/NEWS/80330006/-1/archive > > > > > >Great story. Too bad the Pizza guy didn't kill the perp. Now the > >scumbag lawyer will be all over the perp. > > > > > > > > > > > >___ > >http://www.okiebenz.com > >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >Loren Faeth > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Marshall always said a manual trans in a turbo car was a mistake as it would > be a dog off the line. > I'm wondering though if you combined a good 5 or 6 speed manual with a > GT2056V turbo you might have something good. > IE the reason that the manual is no good is because the turbo spools up too > slowly, fix that problem and your reason to not have a manual trans goes > away... > Makes sense to me. I've driven a '99 or 2000 VW TDI with a stick and a variable-displacement turbo. Very snappy off the line with no perceptible turbo.lag---the turbo spools right up as soon as you hit the go pedal. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
Marshall always said a manual trans in a turbo car was a mistake as it would be a dog off the line. I'm wondering though if you combined a good 5 or 6 speed manual with a GT2056V turbo you might have something good. IE the reason that the manual is no good is because the turbo spools up too slowly, fix that problem and your reason to not have a manual trans goes away... -Curt Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:30:44 -0700 From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 6:52 AM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My 78 240D did that a couple of years ago. Ended up installing a used > tranny. It's times like this that makes me REALLY want a manual tranny - > B2 perhaps? > > What would it take, I wonder, to adapt a modern manual trans to Mercedes engines? Ideally, it'd be one that's readily available used, has wide aftermarket support so that it could easily be rebuilt with a choice of ratios, and can handle the power and torque of a souped-up diesel or gas V-8. I'm thinking a Borg-Warner T5 as used in the Mustang GT, Camaro, and a zillion hot rods and kit cars. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. - You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Manual tranny swaps [was: SDL won't move]
Rolf wrote: > > the Germans assumed us lazy americans only wanted automatics... I think that MBUSA decides how it wants to position Benz in this country, and I don't think the readers of this list are their target audience. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Manual tranny swaps [was: SDL won't move]
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some people drive automatics, some people drive sticks. The fact that > the Germans assumed us lazy americans only wanted automatics just goes > to show that they aren't a perfect race. Why should I be forced to drive > an automatic when they made sticks from the factory? Mind boggling. > EU/Jap get all the cool cars and bikes, we get stuck with rest. > I think you misunderstood me. :) I am all for automatic-to-manual swaps. (Wish I'd had the funds and time to do it to the auto 280SLC I used to have---that would have livened up that car more than a little bit!) I just don't think the best solution for that problem is going to be found in the Mercedes parts bin which has a relatively limited selection of manual trannies, most of primitive design. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Manual tranny swaps [was: SDL won't move]
Some people drive automatics, some people drive sticks. The fact that the Germans assumed us lazy americans only wanted automatics just goes to show that they aren't a perfect race. Why should I be forced to drive an automatic when they made sticks from the factory? Mind boggling. EU/Jap get all the cool cars and bikes, we get stuck with rest. -Rolf Alex Chamberlain wrote: > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I am sorry, meant to read : >> >> Is this for diesel or gasser? 5 speed gasser trans aren't that hard to >> >> find. Its the 5 speed diesels that are more difficult. >> >> Anyone know if the 5speed from 124/201 will fit in a gasser 123? One of the >> things I have toyed with is swapping internals from 5speed gasser -> 4speed >> diesel. I have a spare 4speed for diesel 123 in the shack (you know in case >> Red Dawn happens for real :)). >> >> > > Whether it fits or not, why would you want to? If you have to do any > mods to get it to fit, my thinking is you might as well put in a > better one to begin with. The stick shift that was shipped in the > 300E is not going to win any prizes for ergonomics (I believe it is > most commonly described as "rubbery") and it's not especially strong. > > Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo et al. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Manual tranny swaps [was: SDL won't move]
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am sorry, meant to read : > > Is this for diesel or gasser? 5 speed gasser trans aren't that hard to > > find. Its the 5 speed diesels that are more difficult. > > Anyone know if the 5speed from 124/201 will fit in a gasser 123? One of the > things I have toyed with is swapping internals from 5speed gasser -> 4speed > diesel. I have a spare 4speed for diesel 123 in the shack (you know in case > Red Dawn happens for real :)). > Whether it fits or not, why would you want to? If you have to do any mods to get it to fit, my thinking is you might as well put in a better one to begin with. The stick shift that was shipped in the 300E is not going to win any prizes for ergonomics (I believe it is most commonly described as "rubbery") and it's not especially strong. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Manual tranny swaps [was: SDL won't move]
I am sorry, meant to read : Is this for diesel or gasser? 5 speed gasser trans aren't that hard to find. Its the 5 speed diesels that are more difficult. Anyone know if the 5speed from 124/201 will fit in a gasser 123? One of the things I have toyed with is swapping internals from 5speed gasser -> 4speed diesel. I have a spare 4speed for diesel 123 in the shack (you know in case Red Dawn happens for real :)). -Rolf Rolf wrote: > Is this for diesel or gasser? 5 speed gasser eng aren't that hard to > find. Its the 5 speed diesels that are more difficult. > > -Rolf > > Alex Chamberlain wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:09 AM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> Maybe a T5 world class would be OK. I figured if I were going to the >>> trouble >>> of making or sourcing a bellhousing and finding a clutch disk that >>> would work, and adapting the linkages, I'd spend a little more >>> for a T56. It has one more gear, is much stronger, and only weighs >>> 20-30lb more. >>> >>> >> OK, so the next question is, how much trouble to make a bellhousing >> and the rest of the parts, and is this something that could be put >> together as a conversion kit in a small-scale production run for a >> reasonable price? I would think there'd be a lot of people >> interested. >> >> Alex >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Manual tranny swaps [was: SDL won't move]
Is this for diesel or gasser? 5 speed gasser eng aren't that hard to find. Its the 5 speed diesels that are more difficult. -Rolf Alex Chamberlain wrote: > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:09 AM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Maybe a T5 world class would be OK. I figured if I were going to the trouble >> of making or sourcing a bellhousing and finding a clutch disk that >> would work, and adapting the linkages, I'd spend a little more >> for a T56. It has one more gear, is much stronger, and only weighs >> 20-30lb more. >> > > OK, so the next question is, how much trouble to make a bellhousing > and the rest of the parts, and is this something that could be put > together as a conversion kit in a small-scale production run for a > reasonable price? I would think there'd be a lot of people > interested. > > Alex > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W126 300SD interior, tex or leather?
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Rusty Cullens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Most SD's were MB Tex. > Thanks Rusty. Any hitch to swapping in an interior from another 126, then? I know the power mechanisms were different, but if you could swap them motors and all, and bring the switches with... Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W126 300SD interior, tex or leather?
Most SD's were MB Tex. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:53 PM Subject: [MBZ] W126 300SD interior, tex or leather? > Did all W126 300SDs get leather from the factory like 300SDLs did, or > are some (or all) MB-Tex? > > Asking because I'm going to look at an '83 where the seller says the > interior is in great shape except that "a patch on the driver's seat > has worn through to the backing material." Sounds like he's talking > about tex, but I thought they were all leather. (I don't have any > pictures yet to look at the perforation pattern or other telltales.) > > Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo et al. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W126 300SD interior, tex or leather?
Did all W126 300SDs get leather from the factory like 300SDLs did, or are some (or all) MB-Tex? Asking because I'm going to look at an '83 where the seller says the interior is in great shape except that "a patch on the driver's seat has worn through to the backing material." Sounds like he's talking about tex, but I thought they were all leather. (I don't have any pictures yet to look at the perforation pattern or other telltales.) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Manual tranny swaps [was: SDL won't move]
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:09 AM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Maybe a T5 world class would be OK. I figured if I were going to the trouble > of making or sourcing a bellhousing and finding a clutch disk that > would work, and adapting the linkages, I'd spend a little more > for a T56. It has one more gear, is much stronger, and only weighs > 20-30lb more. OK, so the next question is, how much trouble to make a bellhousing and the rest of the parts, and is this something that could be put together as a conversion kit in a small-scale production run for a reasonable price? I would think there'd be a lot of people interested. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Rear bumper 87 300SDL
Hello List I have a 87 300SDL and the rear bumper outside plastc cover has been hit at one time and now is cracked and also has some paint fade. Is it possible to remove the plastic cover and replace it or do you have to replace the whole rear bumper? Thanks RC _ Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN51N1653A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hey Kaleb and Rusty - eBay store item idea
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rick Knoble wrote: > > The plastic clips are NLA. > > Darn, when did that happen? > > Must be a recent development. I know I bought the whole deal for my car just a couple of years ago. I thought of the kit idea because I just noticed one broke again. Speaking of slow boats from Germany, though, I have a lot of time to sit and notice stuff like that because I'm waiting for the hard line for the cylinder closest to the firewall (#1? #6? I can never keep that straight). Mine broke just above the brass nut at the IP. I've been waiting for the new one for a couple of weeks now---not Rusty's fault, but apparently it's on "worldwide backorder," whatever that means. Aargh. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hey Kaleb and Rusty - eBay store item idea
Rick Knoble wrote: > The plastic clips are NLA. Darn, when did that happen? > The associated hardware comes from Germany on the slow boat. All the more reason to assemble a kit and keep it in stock, at least for the common engines like the 603. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT guns
Allan Streib wrote: > > "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > LEOs firearm training is piss poor. > > What is your basis for this statement? That they are trained to point guns at things they don't intend to destroy, that they are trained (or they teach themselves) to pull a trigger when they don't intend to shoot, and the fact that they often shoot people at a time when anybody with reasonable gun safety skills would not have had the muzzle pointed at a human. A couple of weeks ago, a retired LEO killed his wife at a family gathering. Somebody on keepandbeararms.com came to his defense, "maybe he was just decocking it before showing it to somebody and it malfunctioned". My reply was "when was the last time you pointed a pistol at your wife's head while decocking it?" If the gun had been pointed at the ground, that 'accidental discharge' never would have been written up in a newspaper. Anybody who has two minutes of decent training knows that: All guns are loaded. (you treat it as loaded, even when you think it isn't) You never point a gun at anything you aren't willing to destroy. You never put your booger hook on the bang switch until you're ready to destroy it. (the only reason to stick anything inside the trigger guard is to fire the gun) The fact that cops get themselves in the news for violating the simple rules outlined above is proof positive that they don't have the training that I had when I was five years old. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hey Kaleb and Rusty - eBay store item idea
> How about offering a kit containing all the replacement injector line > clips and associated hardware for the 603 or 617? Everybody knows > that when one clip breaks and your hard lines start rattling around, > all the plastic clips and stuff ought to be replaced all at once. But > trying to figure out from the EPC exactly how many you need of each, > and what the part numbers are, is a big pain. Just a thought. The plastic clips are NLA. The associated hardware comes from Germany on the slow boat. I found this out the hard way... Caveats, YMMV My 2¢ Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Hey Kaleb and Rusty - eBay store item idea
How about offering a kit containing all the replacement injector line clips and associated hardware for the 603 or 617? Everybody knows that when one clip breaks and your hard lines start rattling around, all the plastic clips and stuff ought to be replaced all at once. But trying to figure out from the EPC exactly how many you need of each, and what the part numbers are, is a big pain. Just a thought. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT guns
"Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > LEOs firearm training is piss poor. What is your basis for this statement? Allan -- 1983 300d ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT guns now Soros
No, I believe it is documented, apparently his own admission, but as with such things, do your own research on his history and decide. I indicated some skepticism. --R andrew strasfogel wrote: > Was this an April Fool's joke - the part about collaborating with the Nazis? > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Rich Thomas < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> In this lecture he told the story of his father who had been deported to >> Siberia in WWII or thereabouts, escaped the prison camp and made his way >> back to Hungary (? I think) by various tricks and thievery and >> whatever. It was an interesting story and suggested his father was a >> very strong person. He said that his father told him that if he wanted >> something, he should do "whatever it takes to get it." Right there I >> understood his operating principle, that morality was just a bump in the >> road, if he could even recognize it (I think he is completely amoral). >> There were strong indications, perhaps his own admissions in the past, >> that during the war he collaborated with the Nazis in rounding up and >> persecuting Jews, as he himself had remade himself to hide the fact >> that he was a Jew (that part is well known). Very scary stuff. >> >> Most of the crowd was eating up every word. There were a lot of "smart" >> people in the audience but their willing suspension of disbelief was >> astounding. It was a very disconcerting evening, as the tension in the >> room was quite noticeable. Those (adults in the age sense) who appeared >> to be supporters of the Soros agenda hooted and hollered occasionally at >> those who politely asked critical questions of Soros, as was the process >> that these lectures follow. I did not notice this sort of disrespect >> directed toward the followers when they asked their questions. My buddy >> and I went there with sorta open minds about the whole thing, so I found >> it enlightening, but came away with very strong and disturbing >> impressions about this man and his followers. We talked about it quite >> a bit afterwards, my buddy's parents were refugees from Czechoslovakia >> in the 50s, and had family who were in the Resistance against the Nazis >> and Communists, he was much more disturbed about it than I was being >> much closer to that sort of thing. >> >> --R >> >> LarryT wrote: >> >>> Rich wrote<< I think he had the right idea on that point>> >>> >>> True - on that one instance - but Soros - a multi-billionaire, has >>> >> funded >> >>> several anti-gun websites, studies (where the result is pre-determined), >>> >> and >> >>> other things - including far left democratic party funding. He's not a >>> friend of the 2nd A - perhaps when that guy asked the question and >>> >> defined >> >>> the situation (no police response) Soros saw no other workable answer. >>> >>> IMO he;s a dangerous person - >>> >>> Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) >>> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts >>> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil >>> PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net >>> 800-583-8601 >>> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs >>> >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:30 PM >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT guns >>> >>> >>> >>> Here in Houston we have a lot of what are euphemistically called "undocumented immigrants," which is a term for people from (mostly) Mexico who sneak across the border and come here to work. Most of them are hard-working decent people who have no future in Mexico for themselves or their families, due to a lot of reasons. They can find work and make money to support their extended families here and back >> home. >> There is a small percentage of these people who seem to account for a lot of the mayhem that goes on in the greater Houston area (leaving out Katrina "evacuees" which is whole 'nuther story). They rob and assault and invade homes (and cars) of people in broad daylight, fast and hard, in 2s and 3s. Its pretty easy work. In our little community, which a separate city within Houston, this happens every couple of weeks, older people or women alone followed home from the store, dinner, etc. There is no defense except what you can do yourself, even though in our community police response time is maybe 2 minutes from when they get >> the >> call. But by then, if you manage to call, the perps are gone with your goods and in recent times, having hurt their victims even when the >> goods >> have been given up. There have been a few occasions when the victims have been armed and have dealt with the pending or completed assault, usually to the detriment of the perp or enough to scare them off. Many people carry >
Re: [MBZ] OT guns
John Robbins wrote: > > You keep quoting this statistic... please keep in mind that the police > officer is in many more situations that require him to shoot. > Basically, I think there is another variable that is missing to further > understand that relationship. Until then, I think your statistic is > about worthless. I think it's a lot more meaningful than your explanation. You have explained why a LEO shoots more than a serf, but not why a LEO is 5x as likely to hit the wrong target. I can offer a few explanations for that. When somebody sticks a gun in a serf's face to rob him, or breaks into the serf's home, the serf knows darn well who needs to be shot. LEOs frequently find themselves in tense situations where they don't know exactly what's going on, but feel that they need to shoot SOMEBODY. That stems in part from a militarized thought process, where it's drummed into their heads that the most important thing is that THEY get home alive (if a serf gets in the way, too bad). So we give Joe Average the edge in target identification. Then there's basic gun safety. It seems that LEOs in this country are trained to point their guns at people they don't intend to shoot and press the trigger when they don't intend to shoot them. This goes double for the paramilitary hit squads, whether you call them SWAT, START, or DEA. My local START team apprehended a drug suspect in a parking lot, searched him, cuffed him, and then shot him in the back while marching him into the back of the van. Bozo was holding a Glock in the handcuffed prisoner's back with the trigger half pulled, when there was no reason to point it at the prisoner or have the finger inside the trigger guard. Department investigation showed that he was just following training, and the serf had the bad luck to be in their presence when the gun went bang. Then there's the fact that LEOs handle firearms every day, and thus are therefore a lot more likely to have an oopsie than a guy who only takes his gun out when he goes to the range or when somebody breaks into his house. The fact that the gun might be pointed at a human when the oopsie occurs stems from the fact that LEOs firearm training is piss poor. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT guns now Soros
gawd, this OT filter is workin' so FN great--I love it. Please keep it up [sent from my junk box] On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:24 AM, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Was this an April Fool's joke - the part about collaborating with the > Nazis? > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Rich Thomas < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > In this lecture he told the story of his father who had been deported to > > Siberia in WWII or thereabouts, escaped the prison camp and made his way > > back to Hungary (? I think) by various tricks and thievery and > > whatever. It was an interesting story and suggested his father was a > > very strong person. He said that his father told him that if he wanted > > something, he should do "whatever it takes to get it." Right there I > > understood his operating principle, that morality was just a bump in the > > road, if he could even recognize it (I think he is completely amoral). > > There were strong indications, perhaps his own admissions in the past, > > that during the war he collaborated with the Nazis in rounding up and > > persecuting Jews, as he himself had remade himself to hide the fact > > that he was a Jew (that part is well known). Very scary stuff. > > > > Most of the crowd was eating up every word. There were a lot of "smart" > > people in the audience but their willing suspension of disbelief was > > astounding. It was a very disconcerting evening, as the tension in the > > room was quite noticeable. Those (adults in the age sense) who appeared > > to be supporters of the Soros agenda hooted and hollered occasionally at > > those who politely asked critical questions of Soros, as was the process > > that these lectures follow. I did not notice this sort of disrespect > > directed toward the followers when they asked their questions. My buddy > > and I went there with sorta open minds about the whole thing, so I found > > it enlightening, but came away with very strong and disturbing > > impressions about this man and his followers. We talked about it quite > > a bit afterwards, my buddy's parents were refugees from Czechoslovakia > > in the 50s, and had family who were in the Resistance against the Nazis > > and Communists, he was much more disturbed about it than I was being > > much closer to that sort of thing. > > > > --R > > > > LarryT wrote: > > > Rich wrote<< I think he had the right idea on that point>> > > > > > > True - on that one instance - but Soros - a multi-billionaire, has > > funded > > > several anti-gun websites, studies (where the result is > pre-determined), > > and > > > other things - including far left democratic party funding. He's not > a > > > friend of the 2nd A - perhaps when that guy asked the question and > > defined > > > the situation (no police response) Soros saw no other workable answer. > > > > > > IMO he;s a dangerous person - > > > > > > Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) > > > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > > > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > > > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > > > 800-583-8601 > > > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:30 PM > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT guns > > > > > > > > > > > >> Here in Houston we have a lot of what are euphemistically called > > >> "undocumented immigrants," which is a term for people from (mostly) > > >> Mexico who sneak across the border and come here to work. Most of > them > > >> are hard-working decent people who have no future in Mexico for > > >> themselves or their families, due to a lot of reasons. They can find > > >> work and make money to support their extended families here and back > > home. > > >> > > >> There is a small percentage of these people who seem to account for a > > >> lot of the mayhem that goes on in the greater Houston area (leaving > out > > >> Katrina "evacuees" which is whole 'nuther story). They rob and > assault > > >> and invade homes (and cars) of people in broad daylight, fast and > hard, > > >> in 2s and 3s. Its pretty easy work. In our little community, which > a > > >> separate city within Houston, this happens every couple of weeks, > older > > >> people or women alone followed home from the store, dinner, etc. > There > > >> is no defense except what you can do yourself, even though in our > > >> community police response time is maybe 2 minutes from when they get > > the > > >> call. But by then, if you manage to call, the perps are gone with > your > > >> goods and in recent times, having hurt their victims even when the > > goods > > >> have been given up. > > >> > > >> There have been a few occasions when the victims have been armed and > > >> have dealt with the pending or completed assault, usually to the > > >> detriment of the perp or enough to scare them off. Many people carry >
Re: [MBZ] OT guns now Soros
Was this an April Fool's joke - the part about collaborating with the Nazis? On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Rich Thomas < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In this lecture he told the story of his father who had been deported to > Siberia in WWII or thereabouts, escaped the prison camp and made his way > back to Hungary (? I think) by various tricks and thievery and > whatever. It was an interesting story and suggested his father was a > very strong person. He said that his father told him that if he wanted > something, he should do "whatever it takes to get it." Right there I > understood his operating principle, that morality was just a bump in the > road, if he could even recognize it (I think he is completely amoral). > There were strong indications, perhaps his own admissions in the past, > that during the war he collaborated with the Nazis in rounding up and > persecuting Jews, as he himself had remade himself to hide the fact > that he was a Jew (that part is well known). Very scary stuff. > > Most of the crowd was eating up every word. There were a lot of "smart" > people in the audience but their willing suspension of disbelief was > astounding. It was a very disconcerting evening, as the tension in the > room was quite noticeable. Those (adults in the age sense) who appeared > to be supporters of the Soros agenda hooted and hollered occasionally at > those who politely asked critical questions of Soros, as was the process > that these lectures follow. I did not notice this sort of disrespect > directed toward the followers when they asked their questions. My buddy > and I went there with sorta open minds about the whole thing, so I found > it enlightening, but came away with very strong and disturbing > impressions about this man and his followers. We talked about it quite > a bit afterwards, my buddy's parents were refugees from Czechoslovakia > in the 50s, and had family who were in the Resistance against the Nazis > and Communists, he was much more disturbed about it than I was being > much closer to that sort of thing. > > --R > > LarryT wrote: > > Rich wrote<< I think he had the right idea on that point>> > > > > True - on that one instance - but Soros - a multi-billionaire, has > funded > > several anti-gun websites, studies (where the result is pre-determined), > and > > other things - including far left democratic party funding. He's not a > > friend of the 2nd A - perhaps when that guy asked the question and > defined > > the situation (no police response) Soros saw no other workable answer. > > > > IMO he;s a dangerous person - > > > > Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) > > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > > 800-583-8601 > > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT guns > > > > > > > >> Here in Houston we have a lot of what are euphemistically called > >> "undocumented immigrants," which is a term for people from (mostly) > >> Mexico who sneak across the border and come here to work. Most of them > >> are hard-working decent people who have no future in Mexico for > >> themselves or their families, due to a lot of reasons. They can find > >> work and make money to support their extended families here and back > home. > >> > >> There is a small percentage of these people who seem to account for a > >> lot of the mayhem that goes on in the greater Houston area (leaving out > >> Katrina "evacuees" which is whole 'nuther story). They rob and assault > >> and invade homes (and cars) of people in broad daylight, fast and hard, > >> in 2s and 3s. Its pretty easy work. In our little community, which a > >> separate city within Houston, this happens every couple of weeks, older > >> people or women alone followed home from the store, dinner, etc. There > >> is no defense except what you can do yourself, even though in our > >> community police response time is maybe 2 minutes from when they get > the > >> call. But by then, if you manage to call, the perps are gone with your > >> goods and in recent times, having hurt their victims even when the > goods > >> have been given up. > >> > >> There have been a few occasions when the victims have been armed and > >> have dealt with the pending or completed assault, usually to the > >> detriment of the perp or enough to scare them off. Many people carry > >> personal defense, as is their right under the Constitution of the > United > >> States and the laws of Texas and many other states. As far as I know > >> there has been vanishingly small, if at all, instances of licensed > >> carriers harming another individual through their own offensive action. > >> There have been hundreds of instances of unlicensed carriers (i.e., > >> crimi
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
Maybe a T5 world class would be OK. I figured if I were going to the trouble of making or sourcing a bellhousing and finding a clutch disk that would work, and adapting the linkages, I'd spend a little more for a T56. It has one more gear, is much stronger, and only weighs 20-30lb more. Alex Chamberlain wrote: > What would it take, I wonder, to adapt a modern manual trans to > Mercedes engines? Ideally, it'd be one that's readily available used, > has wide aftermarket support so that it could easily be rebuilt with a > choice of ratios, and can handle the power and torque of a souped-up > diesel or gas V-8. I'm thinking a Borg-Warner T5 as used in the > Mustang GT, Camaro, and a zillion hot rods and kit cars. > > Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo et al. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT guns
LarryT wrote: > Prof John Lott came up with the stats on this kind of thing - he said a > police officer shot the wrong person 11% of the time while a private > citizen - with a concealed carry permit IIRC, did so less than 1 or 2% of > the time. You keep quoting this statistic... please keep in mind that the police officer is in many more situations that require him to shoot. Basically, I think there is another variable that is missing to further understand that relationship. Until then, I think your statistic is about worthless. My $.02 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 6:52 AM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My 78 240D did that a couple of years ago. Ended up installing a used > tranny. It's times like this that makes me REALLY want a manual tranny - > B2 perhaps? > > What would it take, I wonder, to adapt a modern manual trans to Mercedes engines? Ideally, it'd be one that's readily available used, has wide aftermarket support so that it could easily be rebuilt with a choice of ratios, and can handle the power and torque of a souped-up diesel or gas V-8. I'm thinking a Borg-Warner T5 as used in the Mustang GT, Camaro, and a zillion hot rods and kit cars. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
which tranny series had an external band bolt that backed out, making the trans inoperative? Jim in Phoenix -Original Message- From: Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 7:25 pm Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move The tach works like normal...throttle response is normal. When the speedo dropped to zero, the tach dropped to idle. The problem seems mechanicalhow else would the tranny not go into any gear? Luther, dreading a trans rebuild -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (176 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine Quoting OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > So, why would the tach drop to zero if the engine was still running, > and the speedo go to zero if you were still moving? Sounds electrical > to me. Is the cruise control still thinking you need to be stopped? > Un-plug the CC amp --- ? > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> It revs if I give it fuel It's like it's stuck in neutral. >> > > > -- > OK Don, KD5NRO > Norman, OK > "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." > -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain > '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] T3->CRD turbo adapters are almost ready.
The first plate has been cut for the adapters, I believe I will be test fitting it this week. For those that don't keep up in the forums, one of the members out there has had a GT2056V turbo running on his OM617 for a while now. His turbo came from a Sprinter I believe, however it is the same turbo (different flange) that is on the Jeep Liberty (Still known as the Cherokee across the pond) CRD. This is a VNT turbo which allows for quicker spooling due to the variable vanes on the exhaust wheel. These turbos are fairly cheap and can be found Ebay if you are patient. It is arguable if this turbo is large enough however the results are clearly visible: http://superturbodiesel.com/std/download/file.php?id=14 vs http://superturbodiesel.com/std/download/file.php?id=13 Overall HP is not increased, however low end power starts right off the line. If anyone is interested in this speak up. T3 is pre WW2 techonology. -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HAMS
Dang it, I was totally faked out. My dad is a ham, I've really been interested in the HSMM projects but never bothered to get my license. -Rolf Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > Washington, DC, April 1, 2008: > > In a bold move the Federal Communications Commission has decided to > deregulate the Amateur Radio Service. This comes at a time when budget > cuts within the Commission are forcing its Enforcement Bureau to shut down > by 1 January 2009. > > A spokesperson for the Commission stated that since Amateur Radio > operators are supposed to be self-policing that this new move "should not > pose a problem". And that it would also "solve the whole issue of > restructuring". > > This news has come as quite a shock to many in the Amateur Radio > community, striking up many heated debates. "Basically we're being told > that we're on our own as of 1 January, 2008", said a high-level League > staff member. > > In the interim between 2008 and 2010 Amateur Radio operators are expected > to act just as they do now. "Nothing's changed yet, and all the rules and > regulations are still in effect," said a spokesperson for the Commission. > > All of this is set to change however, starting in 2008. On 1 January 2010 > Amateur Radio in the United States will cease to exist as an official > radio service. At that time it will be up to the operators to make up > their own rules and regulations and to enforce them. > > To clarify one other issue, "call signs that have not already been issued > will all be available on the 'honor system'," said another Commission > spokesperson. The band-plans and power limitations are expected to stay > the same. > > Look for more information on this late-breaking news story as it becomes > available. > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT guns now Soros
In this lecture he told the story of his father who had been deported to Siberia in WWII or thereabouts, escaped the prison camp and made his way back to Hungary (? I think) by various tricks and thievery and whatever. It was an interesting story and suggested his father was a very strong person. He said that his father told him that if he wanted something, he should do "whatever it takes to get it." Right there I understood his operating principle, that morality was just a bump in the road, if he could even recognize it (I think he is completely amoral). There were strong indications, perhaps his own admissions in the past, that during the war he collaborated with the Nazis in rounding up and persecuting Jews, as he himself had remade himself to hide the fact that he was a Jew (that part is well known). Very scary stuff. Most of the crowd was eating up every word. There were a lot of "smart" people in the audience but their willing suspension of disbelief was astounding. It was a very disconcerting evening, as the tension in the room was quite noticeable. Those (adults in the age sense) who appeared to be supporters of the Soros agenda hooted and hollered occasionally at those who politely asked critical questions of Soros, as was the process that these lectures follow. I did not notice this sort of disrespect directed toward the followers when they asked their questions. My buddy and I went there with sorta open minds about the whole thing, so I found it enlightening, but came away with very strong and disturbing impressions about this man and his followers. We talked about it quite a bit afterwards, my buddy's parents were refugees from Czechoslovakia in the 50s, and had family who were in the Resistance against the Nazis and Communists, he was much more disturbed about it than I was being much closer to that sort of thing. --R LarryT wrote: > Rich wrote<< I think he had the right idea on that point>> > > True - on that one instance - but Soros - a multi-billionaire, has funded > several anti-gun websites, studies (where the result is pre-determined), and > other things - including far left democratic party funding. He's not a > friend of the 2nd A - perhaps when that guy asked the question and defined > the situation (no police response) Soros saw no other workable answer. > > IMO he;s a dangerous person - > > Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > 800-583-8601 > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:30 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT guns > > > >> Here in Houston we have a lot of what are euphemistically called >> "undocumented immigrants," which is a term for people from (mostly) >> Mexico who sneak across the border and come here to work. Most of them >> are hard-working decent people who have no future in Mexico for >> themselves or their families, due to a lot of reasons. They can find >> work and make money to support their extended families here and back home. >> >> There is a small percentage of these people who seem to account for a >> lot of the mayhem that goes on in the greater Houston area (leaving out >> Katrina "evacuees" which is whole 'nuther story). They rob and assault >> and invade homes (and cars) of people in broad daylight, fast and hard, >> in 2s and 3s. Its pretty easy work. In our little community, which a >> separate city within Houston, this happens every couple of weeks, older >> people or women alone followed home from the store, dinner, etc. There >> is no defense except what you can do yourself, even though in our >> community police response time is maybe 2 minutes from when they get the >> call. But by then, if you manage to call, the perps are gone with your >> goods and in recent times, having hurt their victims even when the goods >> have been given up. >> >> There have been a few occasions when the victims have been armed and >> have dealt with the pending or completed assault, usually to the >> detriment of the perp or enough to scare them off. Many people carry >> personal defense, as is their right under the Constitution of the United >> States and the laws of Texas and many other states. As far as I know >> there has been vanishingly small, if at all, instances of licensed >> carriers harming another individual through their own offensive action. >> There have been hundreds of instances of unlicensed carriers (i.e., >> criminals) hurting/killing people. >> >> I went to a lecture a couple of years ago by George Soros to see what >> the guy was about. A young man from West Texas asked him the question, >> "Do you believe it is the right of a citizen of the United States to own >> and carry guns?" Soros asked him why he wo
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
My 78 240D did that a couple of years ago. Ended up installing a used tranny. It's times like this that makes me REALLY want a manual tranny - B2 perhaps? Good luck - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: "Luther - laptop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 8:59 PM Subject: [MBZ] SDL won't move >I was driving down the interstate, had the cruise set, and suddenly the > speedometer dropped to zero and the tach dropped to idle. I coasted to a > stop and checked the fluid, it was toward the bottom of the add mark, so I > added about 1 pint of fluid. Still no forward OR reverse gears. There > was no noise that accompained the loss of gears, only the visual of > loosing the speedo and tach Ideas, thoughts??? > > -- > Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark > '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case > '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) > '82 300CD (170 kmi) > '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold > '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TD CV axle swaps
Are the ones he wants to reboot still sealed? Marshall used to recommend leaving good used axles alone, because they can go many years after the boots start showing surface cracking. OTOH, if they are already letting lube out and dirt in, the axles are likely goners. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TD CV axle swaps
Exactly. Buy new ones, put them on, forget about them. First one will take 2-3 hours while you fiddle with it, next one will be 30min, but by then you will have forgotten how to do it. It's really not a bad job. just a bit fiddly. --R Luther wrote: > Don't try to reboot the old axles. My '82 coupe had both axles > rebooted by the > Benz dealer before I purchased it. One lasted about 10,000 miles into my > ownership (maybe 20,000 total?) and the other might have lasted 10,000 miles > more. They both started knocking at the joint even though the boot was still > in good shape. Rusty only charges $150/ea for new axles > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HAMS
And that's your first indication that it's an April Fools joke! > This is really a momentous decision - the citizens are being told to play > nice and take care of yourself. > > Wish they'd do this in many other areas. > -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HAMS
Will the Amateur Community set up a call sign directory - to prevent duplications? This is really a momentous decision - the citizens are being told to play nice and take care of yourself. Wish they'd do this in many other areas. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "mercedes Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 8:39 PM Subject: [MBZ] HAMS > Washington, DC, April 1, 2008: > > In a bold move the Federal Communications Commission has decided to > deregulate the Amateur Radio Service. This comes at a time when budget > cuts within the Commission are forcing its Enforcement Bureau to shut down > by 1 January 2009. > > A spokesperson for the Commission stated that since Amateur Radio > operators are supposed to be self-policing that this new move "should not > pose a problem". And that it would also "solve the whole issue of > restructuring". > > This news has come as quite a shock to many in the Amateur Radio > community, striking up many heated debates. "Basically we're being told > that we're on our own as of 1 January, 2008", said a high-level League > staff member. > > In the interim between 2008 and 2010 Amateur Radio operators are expected > to act just as they do now. "Nothing's changed yet, and all the rules and > regulations are still in effect," said a spokesperson for the Commission. > > All of this is set to change however, starting in 2008. On 1 January 2010 > Amateur Radio in the United States will cease to exist as an official > radio service. At that time it will be up to the operators to make up > their own rules and regulations and to enforce them. > > To clarify one other issue, "call signs that have not already been issued > will all be available on the 'honor system'," said another Commission > spokesperson. The band-plans and power limitations are expected to stay > the same. > > Look for more information on this late-breaking news story as it becomes > available. > > > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, > 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, > 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, > 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 > http://www.okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT guns
Rich wrote<< I think he had the right idea on that point>> True - on that one instance - but Soros - a multi-billionaire, has funded several anti-gun websites, studies (where the result is pre-determined), and other things - including far left democratic party funding. He's not a friend of the 2nd A - perhaps when that guy asked the question and defined the situation (no police response) Soros saw no other workable answer. IMO he;s a dangerous person - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT guns > Here in Houston we have a lot of what are euphemistically called > "undocumented immigrants," which is a term for people from (mostly) > Mexico who sneak across the border and come here to work. Most of them > are hard-working decent people who have no future in Mexico for > themselves or their families, due to a lot of reasons. They can find > work and make money to support their extended families here and back home. > > There is a small percentage of these people who seem to account for a > lot of the mayhem that goes on in the greater Houston area (leaving out > Katrina "evacuees" which is whole 'nuther story). They rob and assault > and invade homes (and cars) of people in broad daylight, fast and hard, > in 2s and 3s. Its pretty easy work. In our little community, which a > separate city within Houston, this happens every couple of weeks, older > people or women alone followed home from the store, dinner, etc. There > is no defense except what you can do yourself, even though in our > community police response time is maybe 2 minutes from when they get the > call. But by then, if you manage to call, the perps are gone with your > goods and in recent times, having hurt their victims even when the goods > have been given up. > > There have been a few occasions when the victims have been armed and > have dealt with the pending or completed assault, usually to the > detriment of the perp or enough to scare them off. Many people carry > personal defense, as is their right under the Constitution of the United > States and the laws of Texas and many other states. As far as I know > there has been vanishingly small, if at all, instances of licensed > carriers harming another individual through their own offensive action. > There have been hundreds of instances of unlicensed carriers (i.e., > criminals) hurting/killing people. > > I went to a lecture a couple of years ago by George Soros to see what > the guy was about. A young man from West Texas asked him the question, > "Do you believe it is the right of a citizen of the United States to own > and carry guns?" Soros asked him why he would need to do that. He > said, "Where I come from it takes an hour for the police to show up if > there is a problem. I cannot rely on them for protection. I have to do > it myself." Soros replied, "Well then it sounds like there is a good > reason to have guns and I support that." I think Soros is a very > dangerous person (I studied up a lot on him before I went to this > lecture) based on his history and experiences and some of the things he > said there, but at least I think he had the right idea on that point. > > --R > > Hendrik & Fay wrote: >> I don't know but don't you folks over there ever wonder why you need to >> be armed to the teeth to supposedly defend yourself from bad guys? Is it >> a hang over from the wild west, is it a greed thing or just a freak of >> nature that there are so many weirdos wanting to harm decent citizens? >> >> Hendrik >> >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT guns
Unlike your neighborhood, we have real crime here. Also, I don't have to <> as it is always ready to go. Our youngest kids are in their 30s and they lives all their lives around guns and obeyed the rules. When the g-kids come around the guns are put out of reach. But if someone were to break in I'd have a loaded, cocked gun in a few seconds. Also, in the reports where a citizen fights back the bad guys usually run when they know the target is armed. Just look at the recent Va Tech shooting - 32 people killed as the gunman waked the halls and shot people as the cowered under desks - their only defense since the college dictated no firearms on campus. Naturally those laws/rules didn;t stop the gunman. One of the victims was a deathcamp survivor - he blocked the door as some students escaped before the gunman broek in and killed him and the remaining students in the room. If that prof had been armed he could have stopped the killing right there - There are case after case where a citizen with a gun must fight back against a bad guy. As often as not, an unarmed victim will be killed by the badguy - they are not very merciful - while the armed victim escapes to live another day. http://www.nraila.org/ArmedCitizen/ tells some of the stories. The lamestream media will not report these stories - if they do they leave out the part about the citizens being armed and fighting back. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: "Hendrik & Fay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT guns > This is one of those arguments that can go round and around in circles, > sure this scenario can happen but it can also be argued that by the time > you get the weapon out of it's storage, find the ammo and load it, the > baddies have you overpowered and (in case they where not already) are > now armed with your weapon. > Also most people don't shoot or shoot and miss when it comes to the > crunch, the British army did a study a few years ago and found that less > than 5% of it's soldiers are capable of killing. > Thankfully I live in a civilized part of the world and the worst crime > that happens around here is that some bored kids steal a wheelie bin or > spray graffiti around the place. > Of course we do get home invasions but 99 out of a hundred it is to do > with drugs or payback between criminals. > I don't know but don't you folks over there ever wonder why you need to > be armed to the teeth to supposedly defend yourself from bad guys? Is it > a hang over from the wild west, is it a greed thing or just a freak of > nature that there are so many weirdos wanting to harm decent citizens? > > Hendrik > > LarryT wrote: >> Hi Hendrik, >> Just curious, suppose a couple of bad guys (or just 1) decide to >> kick >> in your door - they aren't the sympathetic type and >> not inclined to be nice and take what they want and leave.You and Fay >> are at their mercy for the >> 4-60 (or more) minutes it takes the law to arrive. Wouldn't you like to >> be >> able to grab a gun from its lockbox and >> defend yourself and Fay? Do you really want to depend on the >> benevolence >> of 1 or more bad guys who may >> not like you or Fay? >> >> The above happens every day and sometimes, those involved are able to >> retreive a gun and run the bad guys off - >> >> Did you know there are between 700k and 3 million occurances of guns >> being used (typically merely by exposing the gun) to stop or prevent an >> act >> of violence? The estimates are courtesy of the GAO and other groups - >> it >> is very hard to determine the actual number since they are never reported >> unless something actually happens. Many groups think the number is >> closer >> to 2 million annually. >> >> My D-I-L was against having a gun in the house - until a neighbor was >> assaulted in her home and it took 35 minutes for the police to arrive. >> >> Take care - >> >> Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] redneck birthday present
Hello, is this the Sheriff's Office?' 'Yes. What can I do for you?' 'I'm calling to report 'bout my neighbor Virgil SmithHe's hidin' marijuana inside his firewood! Don't quite know how he gets it inside them logs, but he's hidin' it there.' 'Thank you very much for the call, sir.' The next day, the Sheriff's Deputies descend on Virgil's house. They search the shed where the firewood is kept. Using axes, they bust open every piece of wood, but find no marijuana. They sneer at Virgil and leave. Shortly, the phone rings at Virgil's house. 'Hey, Virgil! This here's FloydDid the Sheriff come?' 'Yeah!' 'Did they chop your firewood?' 'Yep!' 'Happy Birthday, buddy!' (Rednecks know how to git-R-dun) -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (176 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT guns
Prof John Lott came up with the stats on this kind of thing - he said a police officer shot the wrong person 11% of the time while a private citizen - with a concealed carry permit IIRC, did so less than 1 or 2% of the time. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT guns > Hendrik & Fay wrote: >> >> You'd have to look at all the statics that go into that, for instance if >> a US cop kills 9 crims and one good guy in a year and a UK cop shoots 2 >> crims and 1 cop in a year, you could come up with wobbly figures. > > Nah, most of the good guys our coppers shoot are just peons, not > important people like themselves. Although there are notable exceptions, > like the Penn. state troopers that started shooting at an escapee, one > cop shot his partner in the back of the head and they tried to say the > prisoner shot him. > Or there was the time one of my sheriff's deputies (I may have actually > met > this guy) went bonkers and shot himself and his patrol car. Then he made > up > a story about an attacker. This was several months after a murder suspect > ran into a restaraunt and tried to use a waitress for a hostage, and this > deputy shot the waitress. He claimed mental anguish over shooting the > pregnant waitress, and it's all the department's fault because their > grief counseling was inadequate. > He might have actually saved the woman's life. He shot her in the leg, and > the bad guy dropped her and ran. > http://www.wilx.com/news/headlines/2624136.html > http://www.ssristories.com/show.php?item=167 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
