Re: [MBZ] Lawyers: the last word

[Chuck Landenberger]

Donald,

I am not one of those tired of this subject  I find the diversity  
of topics very enlightening and appreciate the experience/knowledge  
of this wonderful community.

When I tire of a subject, I only need to use the DBF key..  No,  
it's not identified that way, but "Delete" works on the mail inbox  
very well

Thanks for listening..

Chuck
On the surface of the Sun in Phoenix AZ

On Jun 11, 2008, at 8:50 PM, Donald Snook wrote:

> Dan wrote: "So was it fun to clerk, Donald, or did they just use
> you as a gofer/worker bee?"
>
> Since apparently many are tired of discussing this subject, this  
> will be my last email on the subject of lawyers. I know I get tired  
> of the linux, windows, etc emails, so I understand how you feel  
> about getting a digest full of emails I don't care about.
>
> To answer your question, I had a ton of fun as a clerk. They wine  
> and dine the "summer associates."  I also got to work on a lot of  
> really interesting projects. It was a lot of research and writing  
> (it still is as a senior associate), but I also had a lot of client  
> contact.  I received permission from the Supreme Court (Kansas) to  
> argue several motions before the local district courts.  I also  
> argued an appellate case before the Court of Appeals and won.   
> Participated in several mediations and wrote dozens of briefs.  It  
> was a very positive experience.
>
> Donald H. Snook
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] super green 123, man I want this car

[tom savage]

>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-turbo-diesel-1982-Mercedes-Benz-300d-turbo-diesel-RARE-cactus-green_W0QQitemZ180252471157QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

That sure is a nice color.  Saw another green car today - very well kept 
euro 126 in Thistle Green with green cloth.  The euro plastic hubcaps 
with wide whitewall tires were a bit shocking, though.

Tom


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Re: [MBZ] I'll buy lunch for the first person to guess....

[Hendrik & Fay]

I found as set of metric spanners in the spare tyre well of a S123 I 
bought couple years back, they are good quality ones but unfortunatley 
had gone rusty in patxches, I cleaned em up and am using them. Buggers 
wouldn't honour the lifetime warranty, something about rust not being 
covered.

Hendrik

Rich Thomas wrote:
> I did some rework on an old triple decka in Bawstun (Dawahchesta 
> actually) I bought back when,  found a really nice folding rule tucked 
> under a window sill behind the plaster and lath wall I ripped out.  
> Still have it, still use it.  House was built in the 20s or so, not sure 
> how old the rule was but it is very well made, brass and wood, and accurate.
>   
>   

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Re: [MBZ] I'll buy lunch/finding tools

[Chuck Landenberger]

Wilton,

Great story...  Being in the right place!

In my youth, I worked as a gas jockey.  Two mechanics, who learned by  
mistakes to check on each other.  When doing oil/filter changes on  
side-by-side lifts, they would holler... "Plug check" and "filter  
check" to confirm that they could complete the oil change.  I used to  
have the same conversation with myself before I got the "oil sucker"!

Take care and be safe.

Chuck
On Jun 11, 2008, at 8:59 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote:

> In 1958 I was a B-47 maintenance crew chief.  My aircraft was in the
> periodic inspection hanger for several days for certain detailed  
> inspections
> and time-required maintenance.  The aircraft had a split flap  
> system, i.e.,
> under certain flight conditions, part of the flap, when down, would  
> aid the
> aileron on the low side of a bank by "spilling" with the aileron  
> (hinge
> upward).   This hinged part of the flap was called "flaperon."  During
> midmorning break one day in the hanger, I noticed the flaperon on  
> one side
> was in the spilled condition - an unnatural condition with no power  
> on the
> aircraft.  When I investigated what was holding the flaperon in the up
> position, I found two nice open end wrenches jammed in between the  
> actuator
> levers and part of the wing structure above.  This could have  
> caused serious
> structural damage to the wing if somebody had turned the battery  
> switch on
> or started the external power cart (MD-3).  Hydraulic pressure at  
> 3000 psi
> would have suddenly shoved the wrenches upward through the wing.  I  
> removed
> the two wrenches and waited for the owner to return from break, at  
> which
> time, I had a serious "talk" with him about the dangers of leaving  
> wrenches
> in flight controls, etc.  He tried to give me some lame excuse  
> about making
> it easier to grease flap rollers and tracks, and I warned him that  
> if I
> found the wrenches in the wing again, they were gone be mine.  When I
> returned from lunch, guess what!  I found the flaperon on the other  
> side
> spilled!!  Every time I've used those two wrenches for the last 50  
> years
> I've thought of that careless mechanic and that B-47.
>
> Wilton
>
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[MBZ] I'll buy lunch/finding tools

[Wilton Strickland]

In 1958 I was a B-47 maintenance crew chief.  My aircraft was in the
periodic inspection hanger for several days for certain detailed inspections
and time-required maintenance.  The aircraft had a split flap system, i.e.,
under certain flight conditions, part of the flap, when down, would aid the
aileron on the low side of a bank by "spilling" with the aileron (hinge
upward).   This hinged part of the flap was called "flaperon."  During
midmorning break one day in the hanger, I noticed the flaperon on one side
was in the spilled condition - an unnatural condition with no power on the
aircraft.  When I investigated what was holding the flaperon in the up
position, I found two nice open end wrenches jammed in between the actuator
levers and part of the wing structure above.  This could have caused serious
structural damage to the wing if somebody had turned the battery switch on
or started the external power cart (MD-3).  Hydraulic pressure at 3000 psi
would have suddenly shoved the wrenches upward through the wing.  I removed
the two wrenches and waited for the owner to return from break, at which
time, I had a serious "talk" with him about the dangers of leaving wrenches
in flight controls, etc.  He tried to give me some lame excuse about making
it easier to grease flap rollers and tracks, and I warned him that if I
found the wrenches in the wing again, they were gone be mine.  When I
returned from lunch, guess what!  I found the flaperon on the other side
spilled!!  Every time I've used those two wrenches for the last 50 years
I've thought of that careless mechanic and that B-47.

Wilton


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[MBZ] Lawyers: the last word

[Donald Snook]

Dan wrote: "So was it fun to clerk, Donald, or did they just use
you as a gofer/worker bee?"

Since apparently many are tired of discussing this subject, this will be my 
last email on the subject of lawyers. I know I get tired of the linux, windows, 
etc emails, so I understand how you feel about getting a digest full of emails 
I don't care about.

To answer your question, I had a ton of fun as a clerk. They wine and dine the 
"summer associates."  I also got to work on a lot of really interesting 
projects. It was a lot of research and writing (it still is as a senior 
associate), but I also had a lot of client contact.  I received permission from 
the Supreme Court (Kansas) to argue several motions before the local district 
courts.  I also argued an appellate case before the Court of Appeals and won.  
Participated in several mediations and wrote dozens of briefs.  It was a very 
positive experience.

Donald H. Snook




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Re: [MBZ] I'll buy lunch for the first person to guess....

[Luther]

Not a tool, it was part of the transmission...

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:57:36 -0500, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've found tools in various places in most of the cars I've bought,
> hence my guess!
>
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> OK Don wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, Tom took the obvious guesses, so - a 3/8" ratchet?
>>
>> I once found a Snap-On door panel tool inside a door. I knew whose it was 
>> and when
>> he put it there. When I found it, I thought "so that's the cause of my 
>> blankety-blank
>> rattle". I was so ticked off about the noise it made that I did not give it 
>> back to him.
>> Besides, it had been a couple of months and he must have bought another one 
>> by then.
>> Almost 20 years later, I still think of him whenever I use that tool.
>>
>> Mitch.
>



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Re: [MBZ] I'll buy lunch for the first person to guess....

[Rich Thomas]

I did some rework on an old triple decka in Bawstun (Dawahchesta 
actually) I bought back when,  found a really nice folding rule tucked 
under a window sill behind the plaster and lath wall I ripped out.  
Still have it, still use it.  House was built in the 20s or so, not sure 
how old the rule was but it is very well made, brass and wood, and accurate.

In my old Victorian I restored I found some really interesting porn from 
the late 50s early 60s the workmen had stuck under the floorboards in 
the bathroom when it was redone then.  Quite funny, looks about like 
what you see in the daily paper now.  It was some sort of bawdy tabloid, 
had titillating stories, photos, and ads for various adult products. 
There were also some Boston Herald newspapers tucked in an eave from 
1884 when the house was built.  One section was "Help Wanted"  Had 
sections for Irish Protestant, Irish Catholic, Italian Catholic, and 
Other young women wanted for domestic duties.  Many of the general ads 
said, "No Negroes" "No Irish"  "No Italians" "No Jews" need apply, in 
one or a combination.  The playing field was sorta level I guess.

--R

OK Don wrote:
> I've found tools in various places in most of the cars I've bought,
> hence my guess!
>
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> OK Don wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, Tom took the obvious guesses, so - a 3/8" ratchet?
>>>   
>> I once found a Snap-On door panel tool inside a door. I knew whose it was 
>> and when
>> he put it there. When I found it, I thought "so that's the cause of my 
>> blankety-blank
>> rattle". I was so ticked off about the noise it made that I did not give it 
>> back to him.
>> Besides, it had been a couple of months and he must have bought another one 
>> by then.
>> Almost 20 years later, I still think of him whenever I use that tool.
>>
>> Mitch.
>> 
>
>   
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Re: [MBZ] Lawyers was re: Re: Orelegated alternative forms of

[Redghost]

I do like rocks and how they got to be where they are.  About the  
extend of my geologic ken

clay

On 11 Jun 2008, at 18:29, andrew strasfogel wrote:

> OK - point taken.  Now let's move on.
>
> Any other geologists out there?
>
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
>
>> It does help to shine a light on the variety of careers on the list.
>> We learned about Luther's trucking, Kaleb's junkyard and Auto trader,
>> former B52 crewmen, Coasties,   Helps us to see that not all benz
>> drivers are over paid snobs or trophy wives
>>
>> clay
>>
>> On 11 Jun 2008, at 13:57, andrew strasfogel wrote:
>>
>>> I find these exchanges even more boring than a discussion of the
>>> merits of
>>> Mobil One
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Clay wrote: " Partner is somebody with his rear and cash on the
 line if
 things go bad.  If there is not enough profits, they go hungry in
 pay, so
 that staff and associates get paid.  In good years they get large
 cut of
 profits and must make rain, which is suck large clients into the
 firm so
 that there is lots of work for the peon attorney to spend around
 2k hours a
 year billing."

 Clay, are you a lawyer?

 Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] I'll buy lunch for the first person to guess....

[OK Don]

I've found tools in various places in most of the cars I've bought,
hence my guess!

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK Don wrote:
>>
>> Well, Tom took the obvious guesses, so - a 3/8" ratchet?
>
> I once found a Snap-On door panel tool inside a door. I knew whose it was and 
> when
> he put it there. When I found it, I thought "so that's the cause of my 
> blankety-blank
> rattle". I was so ticked off about the noise it made that I did not give it 
> back to him.
> Besides, it had been a couple of months and he must have bought another one 
> by then.
> Almost 20 years later, I still think of him whenever I use that tool.
>
> Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] I'll buy lunch for the first person to guess....

[Mitch Haley]

OK Don wrote:
> 
> Well, Tom took the obvious guesses, so - a 3/8" ratchet?

I once found a Snap-On door panel tool inside a door. I knew whose it was and 
when
he put it there. When I found it, I thought "so that's the cause of my 
blankety-blank
rattle". I was so ticked off about the noise it made that I did not give it 
back to him.
Besides, it had been a couple of months and he must have bought another one by 
then. 
Almost 20 years later, I still think of him whenever I use that tool. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Bangle strikes again

[OK Don]

Reminds me a LOT of my folding Kayak -- www.folbot.com

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:22 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.topgear.com/content/news/stories/2936/
>


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Re: [MBZ] I'll buy lunch for the first person to guess....

[OK Don]

Well, Tom took the obvious guesses, so - a 3/8" ratchet?

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK,
>
> Big rat?
>
> Jimmy Hoffa?
>


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Re: [MBZ] The End is Near for Free Veggie Oil

[LWB250]

Many Mcrestaurants in SoCal and other areas with high
energy costs have been running cogeneration sets
during peak times to provide peak shaving and heat
water.  In most cases these were run off of propane or
natural gas, if available.

The only drawback of going the veg route is the higher
initial cost due to the diesel engine.

Dan



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> "andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> 
> > And soon, restaurant owners may have a new option.
> Enter Vegawatt -- a
> > diesel engine that burns used cooking oil to
> generate electricity and
> > preheat water for cooking and cleaning.
> 
> Not surprising.  Actually it's surprising that this
> has not been done
> for a long time.  I worked in a McDonald's where
> they extracted the heat
> from the condensers on the ice machines and soft
> drink chillers to
> pre-heat water.  This was nearly 20 years ago.
> 
> Another example of this sort of thing is oil change
> shops using the old
> motor oil to fire shop heaters in the wintertime.
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Lawyers was re: Re: Orelegated alternative forms of

[andrew strasfogel]

OK - point taken.  Now let's move on.

Any other geologists out there?

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It does help to shine a light on the variety of careers on the list.
> We learned about Luther's trucking, Kaleb's junkyard and Auto trader,
> former B52 crewmen, Coasties,   Helps us to see that not all benz
> drivers are over paid snobs or trophy wives
>
> clay
>
> On 11 Jun 2008, at 13:57, andrew strasfogel wrote:
>
> > I find these exchanges even more boring than a discussion of the
> > merits of
> > Mobil One
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Clay wrote: " Partner is somebody with his rear and cash on the
> >> line if
> >> things go bad.  If there is not enough profits, they go hungry in
> >> pay, so
> >> that staff and associates get paid.  In good years they get large
> >> cut of
> >> profits and must make rain, which is suck large clients into the
> >> firm so
> >> that there is lots of work for the peon attorney to spend around
> >> 2k hours a
> >> year billing."
> >>
> >> Clay, are you a lawyer?
> >>
> >> Donald H. Snook
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] lawyers was Re: Orelegated alternative forms ofvoterfranchise on

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 05:22:19 -0400 Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Craig McCluskey wrote:
> > So what is 42 USC §1983?
> 
> Gee Craig, you could have stuck "42 USC §1983" into Google.

Yeah, you're right, I could have. Sorry.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Owwww

[Curt Raymond]

So of course this made me go check...

No love, neither work. I dunno if its the wiring, the bulbs or the switch. My 
money would be the bulbs. I salvaged one of the old bulbs. I *think* I have 
another hanging around somewhere...

-Curt

--- On Wed, 6/11/08, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] O
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2008, 8:19 PM

Ouch,

> Got a nice blister on my thumb and another on my forefinger on my left
hand getting those. I'm persistant though, both new fog lights are in.
>

Details, Details - they look good, don't they?

> Of course now I realize I didn't ensure that they actually work.
Crap.
>
> -Curt

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[MBZ] time for a 5 minute coffee break

[Hendrik & Fay]

OK folks, take a break from discussing Lawyers and such, grab a coffee 
and take a time trip back to the good old days
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SzYxFgnb3E

Hendrik
who just about fell off his chair at the sight of the finnie/8 hybrid 
monster

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[MBZ] Bangle strikes again

[RELNGSON]

http://www.topgear.com/content/news/stories/2936/

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Re: [MBZ] Owwww

[OK Don]

Ouch,

> Got a nice blister on my thumb and another on my forefinger on my left hand 
> getting those. I'm persistant though, both new fog lights are in.
>

Details, Details - they look good, don't they?

> Of course now I realize I didn't ensure that they actually work. Crap.
>
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Lawyers was re: Re: Orelegated alternative forms of

[Redghost]

It does help to shine a light on the variety of careers on the list.   
We learned about Luther's trucking, Kaleb's junkyard and Auto trader,  
former B52 crewmen, Coasties,   Helps us to see that not all benz  
drivers are over paid snobs or trophy wives

clay

On 11 Jun 2008, at 13:57, andrew strasfogel wrote:

> I find these exchanges even more boring than a discussion of the  
> merits of
> Mobil One
>
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
>
>> Clay wrote: " Partner is somebody with his rear and cash on the  
>> line if
>> things go bad.  If there is not enough profits, they go hungry in  
>> pay, so
>> that staff and associates get paid.  In good years they get large  
>> cut of
>> profits and must make rain, which is suck large clients into the  
>> firm so
>> that there is lots of work for the peon attorney to spend around  
>> 2k hours a
>> year billing."
>>
>> Clay, are you a lawyer?
>>
>> Donald H. Snook
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OP Local weather?

[Redghost]

Today's headline in the Seattle Times "Colder than Siberia"

Yep, Seattle (51) has a lower high temp than Siberia(62).  It snowed  
a few inches out by Jim C.  Not sure if Spokane got it, but there  
were seven inches of snow on the mountain passes.  Rest of the world  
seems to be warm, but not us.  Even Anchorage, AK is warmer.

clay

On 11 Jun 2008, at 12:45, Frederick W Moir wrote:

> Online Local station WCVB.
>
> Friday: sunny. Highs around 80. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Wind
> chill values as low as 50 below in the morning. Br.
> Watch out for the moose.
> Fred Moir
> Lynn MA
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Re: [MBZ] Lawyers was re: Re: Orelegated alternative forms of

[Redghost]

Surrounded by them.  Sister is a partner in a white collar defense  
firm.  Married to of counsel in a large regional firm.  Oldest boy is  
doing moot court and will probably end up doing litigation.

clay

On 11 Jun 2008, at 10:09, Donald Snook wrote:

> Clay wrote: " Partner is somebody with his rear and cash on the  
> line if things go bad.  If there is not enough profits, they go  
> hungry in pay, so that staff and associates get paid.  In good  
> years they get large cut of profits and must make rain, which is  
> suck large clients into the firm so that there is lots of work for  
> the peon attorney to spend around 2k hours a year billing."
>
> Clay, are you a lawyer?
>
> Donald H. Snook
>
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Re: [MBZ] Lawyers

[Redghost]

Incredible acting talents since they are not at all fond of each  
other, but seem close on screen.

clay


On 10 Jun 2008, at 21:47, Jim Cathey wrote:

>> Who is Denny Crane? I don't see him listed on
>> http://www.mtsqh.com/attorneys.htm .
>
> The TV show Boston Legal.  Great fun, and William Shatner's
> best role ever, IMHO.  He and James Spader.  (Neither of which
> are as svelte as their roles in Star Trek and Stargate, but
> both of which are far more enjoyable to watch now.)
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Lawyers was re: Re: Orelegated alternative forms of voter franchise on

[Redghost]

On 10 Jun 2008, at 21:14, Craig McCluskey wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:06:19 -0700 Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
>
>> Most partnerships in large firms are tiered such that junior partners
>> are paid peanuts and have to negative other than a buy in.
>
> "... have to negative other than a buy in" ?

Meant that negative cash flow is the same as associates paying off  
law school bills.  Buy into the partnership puts your money on the  
line, so if your firm is losing cash, you cover.  Also it allows any  
partner who leaves the firm to cash out and take his "security deposit"
>
>
>> Associate is the peon  You either get hired into the new firm as
>> partner or are
>
> What?

That was a segue to "of counsel"

>
>
>> Denny Crane should be of counsel, but is named partner in the  
>> firm, so
>> too hard to force him out or into retirement.
>
> Who is Denny Crane? I don't see him listed on
> http://www.mtsqh.com/attorneys.htm .

Denny is the named partner on "Boston Legal" TV show

>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] 124 evapectomy

[Peter Frederick]

Depending on the rate of leakage, you may not see much beside a bit  
of oil, and if you've converted to PAG oil, you won't see that (it  
washes off).  I had obvious dye and oil on mine.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] I'll buy lunch for the first person to guess....

[Tom Hargrave]

OK,

Big rat?

Jimmy Hoffa?

Thanks,
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What fell off of my SDL transmission when was lowered enough to partially
clear the tunnel.  No clues.

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Re: [MBZ] lawyers was Re: Orelegated alternative forms of

[LWB250]

I helped a buddy prep for the LSAT a couple of years
ago - he got into Stetson - and he's adamant that if
you graduate in the top 5%-10% of any accredited law
school (with the exception of FAMU - inside joke)
you'll have people offering you a job when you're
ready to graduate - if you don't already have a job in
the can from clerking or other contacts.

So was it fun to clerk, Donald, or did they just use
you as a gofer/worker bee?

Dan


--- Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> John wrote: "Did you go to a public or private
> school?  Is law one of those fields where the name
> of the place you graduate from really makes a
> difference?"
> 
> I went to one of only two municipally owned Law
> Schools.  Washburn University in Topeka, Kansas. 
> The answer to your second question is "It depends."
> 
> Washburn has a GREAT reputation in the Midwest. But,
> if you ask someone in New York (for example), they
> would probably say they have never heard of it. 
> There are two law schools in Kansas - The University
> of Kansas and Washburn.  KU is a very highly rated
> public university, but in Kansas, the better law
> school is Washburn.  A study of practicing attorneys
> and judges in Kansas a few years ago revealed that
> Washburn was much higher rated even among the
> attorneys who attended KU.  5 of the 7 Justices of
> the Kansas Supreme Court are Washburn Alums.  70% of
> all Judges statewide are Washburn grads and
> Washburn's bar passage rate has consistently
> exceeded KU's.
> 
> HOWEVER, if you have a law degree from Harvard,
> Yale, Columbia, Stanford, or Michigan, you do have
> more opportunities because those schools carry a lot
> of weight.  But, if a student does well and
> graduates in the top 10% of any ABA accredited law
> school, he/she will have a job wherever they would
> like to practice (with very few exceptions).  
> Harvard and Yale also graduate more law professors,
> and Supreme Court Justices than any other schools.
> 
> 
> Donald H. Snook
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] The End is Near for Free Veggie Oil

[Kevin]

I have. Around here often times it is sold as a fuel additive instead.

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 06:09:25PM -0400, Mitch Haley wrote:
> andrew strasfogel wrote:
> 
> "Converting a car to run on veggie oil is illegal, violating emissions rules
> in the Clear Air Act. "Vegetable oil has not been registered as a motor oil
> diesel fuel," said an EPA spokeswoman, so selling the stuff is also an
> offense, though giving it away does not appear to be regulated at the
> federal level."
> 
> ---Never heard that line of thinking before.

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[MBZ] I'll buy lunch for the first person to guess....

[Luther]

What fell off of my SDL transmission when was lowered enough to partially clear 
the tunnel.  No clues.

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Re: [MBZ] The End is Near for Free Veggie Oil

[Mitch Haley]

andrew strasfogel wrote:

"Converting a car to run on veggie oil is illegal, violating emissions rules
in the Clear Air Act. "Vegetable oil has not been registered as a motor oil
diesel fuel," said an EPA spokeswoman, so selling the stuff is also an
offense, though giving it away does not appear to be regulated at the
federal level."

---Never heard that line of thinking before.

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Re: [MBZ] Lawyers was re: Re: Orelegated alternative forms of

[Wonko the Sane]

(rim shot)

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Rich Thomas <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Put them together and you get a bunch of slick lawyers, or oil that sues
> you.
>
> --R
>
> andrew strasfogel wrote:
> > I find these exchanges even more boring than a discussion of the merits
> of
> > Mobil One
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Clay wrote: " Partner is somebody with his rear and cash on the line if
> >> things go bad.  If there is not enough profits, they go hungry in pay,
> so
> >> that staff and associates get paid.  In good years they get large cut of
> >> profits and must make rain, which is suck large clients into the firm so
> >> that there is lots of work for the peon attorney to spend around 2k
> hours a
> >> year billing."
> >>
> >> Clay, are you a lawyer?
> >>
> >> Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] The End is Near for Free Veggie Oil

[Allan Streib]

"andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> And soon, restaurant owners may have a new option. Enter Vegawatt -- a
> diesel engine that burns used cooking oil to generate electricity and
> preheat water for cooking and cleaning.

Not surprising.  Actually it's surprising that this has not been done
for a long time.  I worked in a McDonald's where they extracted the heat
from the condensers on the ice machines and soft drink chillers to
pre-heat water.  This was nearly 20 years ago.

Another example of this sort of thing is oil change shops using the old
motor oil to fire shop heaters in the wintertime.

Allan
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[MBZ] The End is Near for Free Veggie Oil

[andrew strasfogel]

Jenny Mandel, *Greenwire* reporter

Used vegetable oil from restaurant deep fryers has long been waste that
restaurants paid to have trucked away. But times are changing.

Skyrocketing fuel costs have allowed some restaurant owners to avoid
disposal costs by giving the waste oil to car enthusiasts who have found
ways to run it through their engines. And some "grease bandits" have even
been known to tap restaurant grease vats and siphon off the valuable stuff.

And soon, restaurant owners may have a new option. Enter Vegawatt -- a
diesel engine that burns used cooking oil to generate electricity and
preheat water for cooking and cleaning.

Now being site-tested by Boston-based Owl Power Co., the system is designed
to give restaurant owners the benefits from their used fuel that might
otherwise go to motorists.

"Right now, the biodiesel folks and the grease car folks are getting that
oil for free, and restaurants are actually giving that away, and it has a
lot more value than they realize," said Chad Joshi, Owl Power's chief
executive.

Joshi estimates that with a Vegawatt unit, a typical burger joint or
doughnut store can save 20 cents in disposal costs per gallon of used oil,
while generating electricity worth $2.20 and, by using the engine's waste
heat to pre-warm water used in the restaurant, avoid 60 cents in natural gas
costs.

Many restaurants store waste oil in 55-gallon drums or other large
containers for disposal, and Owl Power's unit would replace that, Joshi
said.

Currently seeking beta testers in the Boston area, the company plans to
start leasing the units in the fall for about $400 per month, Joshi said.
Energy savings at the target facilities would be $700 to $850 per month,
depending on how much fry oil the restaurant uses.
Supersized potential?

The company is talking with big names, including McDonald's and Chili's
Grill and Bar, as well as independent Chinese restaurants and other shops,
and is targeting "any chain that you could name," Joshi said.

"There are over a million restaurants in the U.S., and about 25 percent
would be candidates for having one or more of our units," he said. Chili's
representatives did not return a call requesting comment.

Veggie oil disposal companies typically model their businesses on converting
used oil to biodiesel, according to Joshi. Since those companies have
significant infrastructure costs to collect and transport the fuel, he
thinks Owl Power has a competitive advantage, even if the price of diesel
goes high enough that disposal companies would be willing to pay restaurants
for the waste oil.

For eateries eager to flaunt their "green" credentials, reusing fry oil
on-site could be as tempting as a to-go bag of doughnut holes. Of course,
since disposers also make fuel from the grease, the eco-credentials of the
two processes would be roughly comparable. But generating electricity from
fryer power has a ring of eco-cachet that could prove irresistible in
today's marketing climate.

Joshi said Owl Power is privately held by himself and company President
James Peret and will be looking for new funding and partners over the next
year to expand nationwide.

If the business takes off, it could spell bad news for "greasers," the auto
hobbyists who modify diesel engines to accept vegetable oil. Running a car
on the stuff requires tricky switching between a starter fuel like biodiesel
and the fry grease, but a slew of Web sites and user groups exist to help
novices figure out how to convert their cars and where to find friendly
restaurateurs who can help them power up.

Converting a car to run on veggie oil is illegal, violating emissions rules
in the Clear Air Act. "Vegetable oil has not been registered as a motor oil
diesel fuel," said an EPA spokeswoman, so selling the stuff is also an
offense, though giving it away does not appear to be regulated at the
federal level.

Rather than get involved in the shady world of grease theft and back alley
car conversions, restaurant owners may well take to the idea of using their
own, home-cooked energy.
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Re: [MBZ] Lawyers was re: Re: Orelegated alternative forms of

[Rich Thomas]

Put them together and you get a bunch of slick lawyers, or oil that sues 
you.

--R

andrew strasfogel wrote:
> I find these exchanges even more boring than a discussion of the merits of
> Mobil One
>
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> Clay wrote: " Partner is somebody with his rear and cash on the line if
>> things go bad.  If there is not enough profits, they go hungry in pay, so
>> that staff and associates get paid.  In good years they get large cut of
>> profits and must make rain, which is suck large clients into the firm so
>> that there is lots of work for the peon attorney to spend around 2k hours a
>> year billing."
>>
>> Clay, are you a lawyer?
>>
>> Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Lawyers

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

His best roll besides capt kirk of course

Jim Cathey wrote:
>> Who is Denny Crane? I don't see him listed on
>> http://www.mtsqh.com/attorneys.htm .
> 
> The TV show Boston Legal.  Great fun, and William Shatner's
> best role ever, IMHO.  He and James Spader.  (Neither of which
> are as svelte as their roles in Star Trek and Stargate, but
> both of which are far more enjoyable to watch now.)
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[MBZ] From Greenwire -- BIOFUELS: Some restaurants try dishing up home-cooked energy

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BIOFUELS: Some restaurants try dishing up home-cooked energy (Wednesday, June 
11, 2008)

Used vegetable oil from restaurant deep fryers has long been waste that 
restaurants paid to have trucked away. But times are changing.

Skyrocketing fuel costs have allowed some restaurant owners to avoid disposal 
costs by giving the waste oil to car enthusiasts who have found ways to run it 
through their engines. And some "grease bandits" have even been known to tap 
restaurant grease vats and siphon off the valuable stuff.

And soon, restaurant owners may have a new option. Enter Vegawatt -- a diesel 
engine that burns used cooking oil to generate electricity and preheat water 
for cooking and cleaning.

Now being site-tested by Boston-based Owl Power Co., the system is designed to 
give restaurant owners the benefits from their used fuel that might otherwise 
go to motorists.

"Right now, the biodiesel folks and the grease car folks are getting that oil 
for free, and restaurants are actually giving that away, and it has a lot more 
value than they realize," said Chad Joshi, Owl Power's chief executive. 

Joshi estimates that with a Vegawatt unit, a typical burger joint or doughnut 
store can save 20 cents in disposal costs per gallon of used oil, while 
generating electricity worth $2.20 and, by using the engine's waste heat to 
pre-warm water used in the restaurant, avoid 60 cents in natural gas costs.

Many restaurants store waste oil in 55-gallon drums or other large containers 
for disposal, and Owl Power's unit would replace that, Joshi said.

Currently seeking beta testers in the Boston area, the company plans to start 
leasing the units in the fall for about $400 per month, Joshi said. Energy 
savings at the target facilities would be $700 to $850 per month, depending on 
how much fry oil the restaurant uses.

Supersized potential?

The company is talking with big names, including McDonald's and Chili's Grill 
and Bar, as well as independent Chinese restaurants and other shops, and is 
targeting "any chain that you could name," Joshi said. 

"There are over a million restaurants in the U.S., and about 25 percent would 
be candidates for having one or more of our units," he said. Chili's 
representatives did not return a call requesting comment.

Veggie oil disposal companies typically model their businesses on converting 
used oil to biodiesel, according to Joshi. Since those companies have 
significant infrastructure costs to collect and transport the fuel, he thinks 
Owl Power has a competitive advantage, even if the price of diesel goes high 
enough that disposal companies would be willing to pay restaurants for the 
waste oil. 

For eateries eager to flaunt their "green" credentials, reusing fry oil on-site 
could be as tempting as a to-go bag of doughnut holes. Of course, since 
disposers also make fuel from the grease, the eco-credentials of the two 
processes would be roughly comparable. But generating electricity from fryer 
power has a ring of eco-cachet that could prove irresistible in today's 
marketing climate.

Joshi said Owl Power is privately held by himself and company President James 
Peret and will be looking for new funding and partners over the next year to 
expand nationwide.

If the business takes off, it could spell bad news for "greasers," the auto 
hobbyists who modify diesel engines to accept vegetable oil. Running a car on 
the stuff requires tricky switching between a starter fuel like biodiesel and 
the fry grease, but a slew of Web sites and user groups exist to help novices 
figure out how to convert their cars and where to find friendly restaurateurs 
who can help them power up.

Converting a car to run on veggie oil is illegal, violating emissions rules in 
the Clear Air Act. "Vegetable oil has not been registered as a motor oil diesel 
fuel," said an EPA spokeswoman, so selling the stuff is also an offense, though 
giving it away does not appear to be regulated at the federal level. 

Rather than get involved in the shady world of grease theft and back alley car 
conversions, restaurant owners may well take to the idea of using their own, 
home-cooked energy.

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Re: [MBZ] lawyers was Re: Orelegated alternative forms of

[andrew strasfogel]

Don't forget - he has to pay at least $100K/yr. for his liability policy to
cover malpractice suits.

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Clay wrote: "Plumbers and electricians are the ones raking in the cash.
>  Union scale and they make the poor baby attorneys wish they had gone into
> another line of work that did not require the first decade of a career to
> pay off, then you get hit with the partnership buy-in, which takes the next
> decade to pay for."
>
> If I just wanted money, I would go to medical school.  A few years ago I
> wrote a contract for a MD (orthopedic surgeon) who had just finished his
> residency.  He was offered a position at a small town in Kansas for
> $340,000.  Later he wanted out of the contract because he wanted to move to
> Dallas.  That is crazy money as far as I am concerned. Especially someone so
> young.
>
>
> Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Lawyers was re: Re: Orelegated alternative forms of

[andrew strasfogel]

I find these exchanges even more boring than a discussion of the merits of
Mobil One

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Clay wrote: " Partner is somebody with his rear and cash on the line if
> things go bad.  If there is not enough profits, they go hungry in pay, so
> that staff and associates get paid.  In good years they get large cut of
> profits and must make rain, which is suck large clients into the firm so
> that there is lots of work for the peon attorney to spend around 2k hours a
> year billing."
>
> Clay, are you a lawyer?
>
> Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Saab

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I worked for a Saab indy 2/3 years in the late 1980s.
> I'm not sure what may have changed by 1994,

A lot!  A '94 900 is a post-GM-buyout car.  Based on an Opel design,
like the Cadillac Catera.  Still a decent car but not a patch on the
"classic" 900 for clever design and packaging.  The engine is
transverse, for one thing.  And if it's a V6, run away.  The
four-cylinder engine is an oldie but a goodie, of course.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo, et al.

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Re: [MBZ] OP Local weather?

[Rich Thomas]

I think the moose will be shivering with the brass monkeys and witches 
up the road.

--R

Frederick W Moir wrote:
> Online Local station WCVB.
>
> Friday: sunny. Highs around 80. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Wind 
> chill values as low as 50 below in the morning. Br.
> Watch out for the moose.
> Fred Moir
> Lynn MA 
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[MBZ] OP Local weather?

[Frederick W Moir]

Online Local station WCVB.

Friday: sunny. Highs around 80. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Wind 
chill values as low as 50 below in the morning. Br.
Watch out for the moose.
Fred Moir
Lynn MA 
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Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944)

[Curt Raymond]

Larry,

I'm hip to alot of what you wrote but consider the other side of the equation.
Nearly all of the fresh surface water in the world is polluted.
More people have breathing disorders now than ever.
Don't even get me started on places like Centralia...
The religious right wants the theory of evolution considered an "opinion" and 
creationism treated as fact.
The religious right wants to be coddled and allowed freedom but wants to deny 
the same to homosexuals...

Capitalisim left unchecked WILL result in a world that is nothing but a gutted 
shell with all profit extracted, this has been shown over and over again. 
Flint, Michigan is a great example. In China they're going to try to shut down 
factories so the air quality might improve enough so olympians can 
participate...
Religion left unchecked WILL result in war between religions. Several crusades 
come to mind.

Yeah our system is screwed up but its only bad in comparison to some utopian 
ideal...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:19:43 -0400
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