Re: [MBZ] OT Front Sight
Craig McCluskey wrote: What legal problem? From what I gather, they sold lifetime memberships, and then some members felt that the terms of the membership were changed after they handed over their money. It was settled last year, probably with the standard non disclosure agreements, but I'm guessing about that part. I wouldn't think it has anything to go with ongoing operations, unless it indicates that management isn't the greatest at customer relations. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: New dog
Of course dogs like people food. In moderation, it will probably do them no harm. My old Basset loved the bottom of a bottle of beer, he lived a long time. If my Bulldog is at a picnic, she usually scores a dog or burger, she loves it! But, she doesn't NEED it. Often it comes back as it's too rich for her. YMMV Pete On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 18:23:54 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: Its interesting they say no grapes. Years ago a friend had a Golden that we fed tons of grapes to, it was fun to watch her chasing a grape all over the place. That dog lived to a ripe old age... -Curt --- On Sat, 6/28/08, Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [MBZ] OT: New dog To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 9:09 PM AS to dog foods I don't have any suggestion other than Eukanuba puppy, which we fed our Yellow Lab for two years at the suggestion of our vet. I would want to mention that dogs seem to love fruits and veggies - but do not give mushrooms, grapes/raisins or chocolate, and I think onions are in the banned list also. Could be they just give them gas [that is reason enough for an indoor dog]. Our vet says no to bones [but we still give them to him on occasion] and he gets scraps of most veggies during preparation. About the only thing he doesn't like is celery. Loves leftover salads. BillR Jacksonville FL 105# 3 YO Yellow Lab 'Jax' [a wonderful dog] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 7:21 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] OT: New dog I know theres lots of dog folks on here... Got our first (well my first, my wife had a dog before) dog today. He's a corgi, dachshound, bassett hound and probably something else mix. You can definately see the corgi in him but he's black which I didn't think was a normal corgi color. He's a rescue dog brought up from Arkansas from a high kill shelter. His litter mates had all been adopted but apparently black dogs (he's one of two black dogs in the litter) are harder to adopt out. They said he's about 3 months old but some of the paperwork indicates he might be as much as 6 months. The name he came with was Feisty but he didn't seem particularly enamored of it and answers more readily to Buster so we're gonna stick with that. We just got back in from his first pee, its odd, he's pooped 3 times but never pee'd. When he did it was like the flood gates were opening! I wanted to ask about food. He'd been eating Science Diet so I got a bag of that. I know Hursty says its crap and the first ingredient is corn meal which doesn't excite me much. What do you lot suggest? Something I can get at the grocery store or Petco please. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Fraternal Regards, Peter T. Arnold Hartford Evergreen Lodge #88 P/M X2, Back in the South again Meets on 1st and 3rd Mondays Washington Lodge #70, Past Master 1997 2nd and 4th Monday Worthy Patron X3, Temple Chapter #53 Yahoo 6th District B.L.C. Newsgroup Co-Moderator Past A.G.M., Masonic District 6B Grand Lodge of Connecticut A.F. A.M. As you can see, I'm busy on Mondays! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New dog
Pete wrote get sick on people food
And fat -
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- Original Message -
From: Peter T. Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: New dog
At the suggestion of my Vet {Actually Bentley's Vet, she's my 13 year
old English Bulldog}, she eats WallyWorlds Brand Lamb Rice, AND THAT
ALL.
Dogs do not tolerate mixing their foods, and defiantly do nothing but
get sick on people food.
English Bull's life expectancy is 10 years, they are very expensive.
It works for me.
Pete
On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:51:17 -0600, you wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wanted to ask about food. He'd been eating Science Diet so I got a bag
of that. I know Hursty says its crap and the first ingredient is corn
meal which doesn't excite me much. What do you lot suggest? Something I
can get at the grocery store or Petco please.
Forget the grocery store. What does Petco carry?
Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT: New dog
the probem with bones are they can splinter when the dogs are chewing them. Chicken bones are the worse - small splinters can get caught in their throats -- Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: New dog raw bones are great. cooked bones are strictly verboten. i would do something along the lines of BARF if i weren't too lazy On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 12:00 AM, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:55:41 -0400 Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'd fire my vet if she said no to bones. bones rawk the dog world! My understanding is that raw bones are fine; cooked (baked) bones are not and are rather abrasive. There is a canine diet called BARF: bones and raw food. Several of the people in our local Schutzhund club use that diet. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Obama - guns and stereotypes
It's encouraging to see you have done some homework instead of doing what many are doing - signing on to the obama bandwagon because he says Change in a interesting way. I hope others will take the time to see how he has voted on various issues and what he has said on his books. He has told us all we need to know that this man is not good for America. Also, there are several types of people who will vote this year - those who will vote for obama *because* be is black and those who will not vote for him for the same reason. Both of these are racist although the 1st would not admit it. Then there are those who vote party lines regardless of who is running and then there's the smallest group of all - those who investigate and do their homework to find out who will do those things good for the economy and protect us and maintain a strong America. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Kris Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 8:20 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT Obama - guns and stereotypes Obama says on page 215 of his _Audacity of Hope_ book I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manufacturers' lobby. I guess this is the standard urban liberal view. He appears to have voted for restrictive gun laws at every opportunity. Obama's extreme urbanity troubles me. I have read both his books and I can't remember any instances of him doing anything practical or enjoying the outdoors. No gardening, hiking, hunting, fishing, cycling, building, mowing, boating.or biking. No interest in machinery. He plays basketball, that most urban of sports. I suspect he understands less about others than he thinks he does. His stereotypes can be awkward. For example, here is an excerpt from his Values chapter in _Audacity of Hope_, page 57: ..our democracy might work a bit better if we recognized that all of us possess values worthy of respect: if liberals at least acknowledged that the recreational hunter feels the same way about his gun as they feel about their library books, and if conservatives recognized that most women feel as protective of their right to reproductive freedom as evangelicals do of their right to worship. Gaak. In real life there are many hunters who use libraries and liberals (or at least Democrats) that don't but do hunt. These are not contrasting groups/values. IMHO he is just showing his ignorance of people unlike himself. He doesn't say exactly what reproductive freedom for women amounts to although I gather free abortion is a big part of it. To him conservatives always are hung up on the most narrow sort of religion. Obama champions an activist government. I am sure he will want glorious new programs for the urban poor. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV He was the kind that can't keep from being bad without being good. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Comcast (was Re: question about using blackberry as a tethered modem)
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 12:17 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It gets worse. Comcast will steadily move channels out of the Basic package and into the digital basic package so you will be unable to view them unless you upgrade. My only choice for cable is Comcast - Verizon is slowly moving into this area but who knows when it'll be available. Let's see, we will move channels a couple times a year from Basic plans to the higher cost Pay plans with no other incentive to move up than to get their channels back to the customer. Brilliant! They do this and still content providers wonder why more and more people just pirate TV shows from BitTorrent. Personally, I haven't had cable, or satellite, for about three years. If I *really* want to see something that isn't available from my wonderful rabbit ears, I go to the iTunes Store or buy it on DVD. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New dog
if it is cooked, not raw. if a dog catches a chicken outside and eats it, do you think they de-bone it first? On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 8:19 AM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the probem with bones are they can splinter when the dogs are chewing them. Chicken bones are the worse - small splinters can get caught in their throats -- Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: New dog raw bones are great. cooked bones are strictly verboten. i would do something along the lines of BARF if i weren't too lazy On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 12:00 AM, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:55:41 -0400 Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'd fire my vet if she said no to bones. bones rawk the dog world! My understanding is that raw bones are fine; cooked (baked) bones are not and are rather abrasive. There is a canine diet called BARF: bones and raw food. Several of the people in our local Schutzhund club use that diet. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] incompetent stealership. WAS: stealership rape...
Not sure. It seemed to be idling a bit rough when warmed to operating temp. I need to flush and fill the coolant system and the #2 injector seems to be bubling a very small amount around the base of the injector. I need to remove the injector, clean, and re-torque it. Then I'll book a service appointment at the MB dealership to have the engine/cooling system checked out. Luther On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:30:17 -0500, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:00:04 -0500 Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luther, home and annoyed by incompetence Yes, that is really annoying. Any indication of permanent damage to the engine? Craig -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] incompetent stealership. WAS: stealership rape...
After my first test drive, I shot temps with the IR thermometer and saw the same exact thing. The dash temp would read about 105-110 at idle, and everything in the front of the head/hoses/radiator would read 90 or less. I did shoot one place that the MB tech didn't. The metal pipe that leaves from the back of the head for the heater core read 105C and was very close to the dash temp gauge readings. Interesting? Luther On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:49:46 -0500, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incompetent. Yes, I said it, and here's why. OK, a bad pressure cap certainly qualifies as a bit of incompetence, but I guess that doesn't explain the high-reading gauge (when compared to the IR thermometer). Obviously a pressure check wasn't adequately performed, or the bad cap would have shown up at that time. -- Jim -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Car let-down
My previous '83 300SD only let me down once. The voltage regulator failed around dusk during a trip to Kansas. Spent the night in a hotel, got a jumpstart and drove 2 hours to the KC MB dealer to purchase a new regulator. Layed down in the parking lot and installed it myself. The service manager (vith thik Deutsch ahksent) provided me with a jumpstart. Ironically, during the previous week, the voltage dash light had been flashing on during periouds of decelleration and braking. My dumbarse didn't heed the signs. Luther, knowing that MB's don't breakdown when you heed warning sings and check all the simple things On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:21:02 -0500, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree wholeheartedly. The 240D had 42 kmi, the 350SDL 89 kmi, the 300D 130 kmi, the 87 300D 84 kmi. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 evapectomy
Which will be done when?? :) Luther On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:57:15 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im going to include this in the okiebenz.com tech articles Wilton Strickland wrote: Here's the summary as an e-mail Win doc attachment. I think OK Don will submit it as a PDF. Wilton. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: evapectomysummary.doc Type: application/msword Size: 48128 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080628/08905ecd/attachment.doc -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Who Are the Bike Guys?
Few hillsthey sell the bikes you described around here as beach cruisers and charge an inordinate amount of moolah for them. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 5:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Who Are the Bike Guys? How many hills will you encounter? If few, then a one-speed, balloon-tire Schwinn. On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something like a mountain bike (vice a road bike, I suppose) to ride around to get some exercise. I reckon it will be on sidewalks, streets and dirt/gravel along canals. What should I look for? Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 2:58 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Who Are the Bike Guys? Robert Rentfro wrote: Is this good? No pic's sadly. http://phoenix.craigslist.org/bik/ Did you have a particular bike in mind? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MGs -- WAS - OT Supreme Court upholds gun rights
I was always tinkering with it - had SU carbs which I found very easy to tune - when I followed the instructions. The points were a PITA to change and adjust - had to remove the distr to get to things easily. The worst problem I ever had was 2 weeks after a tune up - it would run a while, then cough, spit and backfire. I'd sit beside the road keeping it idling until all of a suddeb Vrom! It would rev as free as ever. I'd roar off down the road until later when it would do it again. Once when parked acorss from a gas station - the good kinds, the kinds with mechanics - he yelled from across the street - sounds like the condenser! Got any grass?? We got together and he attached a temp condenser with alligator clips - problem solved. Replaced the cond the next day and never had more problems. The mech said condensers often fails after 2 weeks -- or never. That and the fuel pump were the biggest problems. Lucas got a bad name when people would not maintain things properly - then connections would become intermittant and the Prince of Darkness would be blamed. Anyway - love the car - can;t wait to get her drivable again. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MGs -- WAS - OT Supreme Court upholds gun rights You missed the winky face after that sentence ;-) It was to tease Wonky. You must keep your valves adjusted to have gone that many miles without cracking the head. Does your have the SU or Stromberg carbs? I used to be good tuning the SUs - but had to do it often. On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 8:35 AM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don wrote Wow - can you still 'buy MG parts'? And someone is still buying them? Check out www.mossmotors.com and you'll see a huge website dedicated to old UK sports cars. They recently opened a east coast warehouse near Petersburg Va (near me) ;-) so I;ll be able to get my MGB parts even faster. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] More 240D door lock fun
use graphite - something like MMO with attrac dust become gummy. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 1:30 PM Subject: [MBZ] More 240D door lock fun So a night of sitting in SeaFoam Deep creep seems to have loosened the passenger's lock a bit. I brushed it off and tried some Marvel Mystery Oil Lubricating Oil which helped even more. Its at the point where the lock will rotate 100% of the time when I put in the key. Occasionally it sticks a little putting the key in so I'm going to soak it some more in the lubricating oil. I'm considering a bottle of MMO to soak the whole lock in... I'm thinking I shouldn't leave the MMO in it once its totally free'd though, maybe clean it with carb cleaner (or brake cleaner) and lubricate with graphite? The driver's side came out more easily as part of the little rod is broken... I'll have to weld that back together, or solder, I suppose it could be pot metal, doesn't look like it though. The lock cylinder definately is pot metal and it definately is stuck. No movement at all. Here's a lesson, don't try to beat it out with a hammer and punch. I've deformed the spot where the pin goes. I'll have to reshape and solder later on. Its soaking with PB Blaster right now. I'm not sure I think the DeepCreep is great stuff, I'm going to try freeing this one up with PB Blaster and see if it works better. Anyway about 1/3 of the way there. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chain tensioner spring
Yes, the spring is directly behind the hex plug.? It is fairly stiff and will require a good push to restart the plug with the new spring.? Of the several used springs I have seen, all had a heavy wear spot on one of the coils where it was rubbing in the barrel. ? good luck, ? Jim in Phoenix -Original Message- From: Archer lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; To: Mercedes Discussion List lt;mercedes@okiebenz.comgt; Sent: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 8:07 pm Subject: [MBZ] Chain tensioner spring When replacing the spring on a chain tensioner on an '83 300D, I see a plate and a big hex headed plug of some sort. Can you replace the chain tensioner spring by removing the hex headed plug or do you have to remove the plate? Couldn't find anything about replacing the chain on the CD. Thanks, Gerry '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED]To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Car let-down
you wrote the Olds engine that replaced the MG engine; Would that be the lightweight Old V8? Didn't know people put them into MGAs - MGBs get them often - as well as many modern V6s and V8s. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car let-down I guess you have to consider the condition when you started driving them - IF the others were relatively new, and the MBs all had over 200K, then it might skew the results a bit. The only times a MB has stranded me were when the vacuum pump on the 220D disintegrated, and when the same car later seized totally - blocked oil ports to the mains. The Plymouth van that we bought new (only new car ever) stranded us on the MN WI border with a dead fuel pump, just within the warranty period, by a couple of thousand miles and a few months. The MGA failed due to fuel pump issues with the original engine, then I lost the water pump on the Olds engine that replaced the MG engine; my '51 VW was always breaking something - the accelerator cable comes to mind; I don't remember the '58 chevy ever stranding me, nor the '74 Saab Sonett, nor the Toymotor MR2. Of the pair of '76 300Ds one rusted out from under me, the other was totaled while parked. The '74 Opel Manta rusted out also. The '78 VW van wouldn't start in a parking lot once - turned out to be a loose vacuum hose. That's all I can remember. On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During 58 years of driving, I've owned: '31 Model A Ford, '40 Ford, '51 Chevy, '56 Chevy, '61 Pontiac, '65 Pontiac, '64 Karman Ghia, '71 Chrysler, '64 Dodge Van, '74 Dodge Van, '80 MB 240D, '75 Ford Frontier, '67 VW, '87 Dodge Caravan, '95 Dodge Caravan, '91 MB 350SDL, '81 MB 300D, and '87 MB 300D. Of all of those vehicles during 58 years of owning and driving, including several times all the way across the country, and many times half way across, the MB's are the only ones that have let me down - stranded me on the road: '80 240D - idler pulley came off, '91 350SDL - timing chain broke, '81 300D - fan belt broke, '87 300D - alternator pulley came off. Isn't it ironic that ALL of my MB's have let me down at some time, and NONE of the others ever did? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Electrical confusion
Thx Jim Craig - explained in a way my inexperienced brain could understand. ;-) (The little light finally came on - or maybe it was just a spark?) ;-) Have a nice Sunday - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Electrical confusion On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:45:20 -0400 LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It may be my unfamilarity (compared to you) with electrical stuff - but I aways called a wire that lights a test light hot. Since it works fine hooked up this way I'll leave it like this - but I have never had power on a negative ground wire before. The negative ground wire is not ground until you hook it up to ground. With the power side of the radio connected to the battery and with the ground wire disconnected, the radio looks like a high resistance wire from the battery to the ground wire. To connect the ground to ground without sparks, disconnect the power wires from the battery. Then, when you connect the ground wire, you will get no sparks. Then, connect the power wires up to the battery. You will get the same spark as before; it will just be on the other side of the radio -- a place where you expect to see sparks. The point to understand this is the definition of what is a complete electrical circuit. Current flows from the battery, through the power wires to the radio, through the radio, and through the ground wiring back to the battery. The same current flows through the entire circuit: battery, power wiring, radio, and ground wiring. If you interrupt the circuit anywhere, you will interrupt the same current and get the same spark. HTH, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 evapectomy
as soon as I get that engine swap done Luther wrote: Which will be done when?? :) Luther On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:57:15 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im going to include this in the okiebenz.com tech articles Wilton Strickland wrote: Here's the summary as an e-mail Win doc attachment. I think OK Don will submit it as a PDF. Wilton. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: evapectomysummary.doc Type: application/msword Size: 48128 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080628/08905ecd/attachment.doc -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Dream Car Garage
The subject program on SpeedTV is one of my favorites. They test work on some outstanding machinery. The 1st year I watched it I saw them restore a 67 Ferrari 275 GTB. It's brilliant yellow paint was gorgeous when they were done! This season they are restoring a 57 300 SL Gullwing. So far they have removed the trim, body and engine to reveal the tube frame - basically a race car for the road. This should be an interesting season. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 evapectomy
or pay me to do it... On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:09:47 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as soon as I get that engine swap done Luther wrote: Which will be done when?? :) Luther On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:57:15 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im going to include this in the okiebenz.com tech articles -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] incompetent stealership.
did shoot one place that the MB tech didn't. The metal pipe that leaves from the back of the head for the heater core read 105C and was very close to the dash temp gauge readings. Interesting? Yes. One place you absolutely must measure is the head where the temperature sender screws in. That's how you verify that the gauge is telling the truth. Or not. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Car let-down
Yes - it was a '63 Olds 215 ci aluminum block V-8. The one that Rover bought from GM. I doubt that very many of us put them in MGAs. It took a full year, working evenings and weekends. The 'A' was possibly easier to work with, since I took the body off the frame, installed the drive train, lowered the rear of the body, then cut away anything that got in the way as I lowered the frond of the body (mostly inner fender sheet metal). It was the little things that took a long time - relocating the steering shaft u-joint, custom welded headers with three pipes per side going under the frame diagonals, and the rear most one going over them, custom made radiator and shroud, driveshaft, etc. The MGA was a LOT more fun with 200HP! On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 11:59 AM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you wrote the Olds engine that replaced the MG engine; Would that be the lightweight Old V8? Didn't know people put them into MGAs - MGBs get them often - as well as many modern V6s and V8s. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Rack and Pinion Issues
Since no one on our little list seems to know about the steering malady I described on my '05 E320 (locking up in low speed turns over bumps), I put a post on the MBCA forum. Some dude there says there are some issues with the rack and pinion on W211s and stealerships are replacing them before the warranty goes out. Anyone heard of this? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] GWB
The one good thing about the upcoming election is that we get rid of George IV (GWB). In a dialog on the subject with my brother, I thought I'd pass along his recent note: H. L. Mencken divined in 1920 the election of George W. One some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] I dont think cat man ever did have full power out of his wrecked 2.5 turbo
Am in the middle of pulling the engine on it to transplant into another car. When I first got this wrecked car I actually drove it and it didnt seem like it had any power. Found out why. Turbo was locked up solid. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 evapectomy
Im working on it today actually Luther wrote: or pay me to do it... On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:09:47 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as soon as I get that engine swap done Luther wrote: Which will be done when?? :) Luther On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:57:15 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im going to include this in the okiebenz.com tech articles -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Who Are the Bike Guys?
Robert, the link you included isn't to any specific bike; which bike are you talking about? in general, the best instrument of delardification is the one you'll actually use. also, if delardification is your goal, keep in mind that road-style riding at a continuous near-consistent level of exertion will do a better job of getting you trim than mountain-style trail riding that typically involves high levels of effort (grinding uphill) punctuated by periods of little-to-no effort (downhill). don't buy anything because someone else says it's cool, or the latest whatever; buy what's comfortable and fits, and what you like that will do what you want to do with it. keeping this in mind, the most important things are fit and comfort; if you're not comfortable and it doesn't fit you, it's no fun, and you won't want to use it. considerations must be given to the intangible C-Factor; if you think it's Cool and you'll use it more because of that, that's great if it'll motivate you to take it out and play with it,... but keep in mind that no matter how cool it is, once that initial infatuation wears off you probably won't use it if it's not the right fit for you. (i know cyclists at the extreme end of this scale that buy new bikes constantly in order to keep themselves motivated; it's an expensive approach, but it works for some.) personally, i think Cyclocross-style (or what is also evolving to become known as Fire Road bikes) are the best value and most practical for what most people really need. (do not confuse these with the awful emerging category increasingly known as 'hybrids', which combine the characteristics of a variety of styles and end up being the worst of all worlds!) Cyclocross bikes are plenty sturdy enough for less-than-perfect and/or unpaved roads and not too fragile, but fast enough on the road as to not be as boring as riding mountain bikes on the road. (i have some great MTBs, but find i *hate* riding them on the pavement; what makes a good MTB by definition makes it a sucky road bike. trying to make a MTB a good bike for the road is like putting a set of 'dubs' on a Humvee; you wind up with a machine that's not particularly good at *anything*.) with a Cyclocross bike, you can always swap in another sturdier pair of wheels for heavier fire-road riding or a lightweight set for playing road-racer for the day; this expands the possibilities of what you can do and do well, and is far cheaper than having multiple bikes. as a little perspective, i have Road, Mountain, Cyclocross and Fixed Gear bikes (i'm down to a total of 6 different bikes, in Carbon Fiber, Aluminum and Steel). i ride Mountain on the trails for fun and strength, though it's no fun if you're not fit. i ride Road for fitness and fun (and/or when i feel the pure Need for Speed). i ride Fixed around town doing errands because there's something special about the purity and simplicity of a bike without dérailleurs and brakes, and because it's good training and variety (and admittedly partly because i have what i think is one of the coolest fixed-gear bikes on the planet ;-) ). however, most of the time, if i'm commuting someplace (like my ~1-hour ride across town from the train station to the office i'm currently at, or doing errands in San Francisco) i'll ride a Cyclocross bike, and will frequently take a dirt option if it presents itself. i hope that helps! cheers! e p.s. riding on sideWALKs is *not* OK; bicycles are vehicles, and everyone is safer if they are operated where all other vehicles do. Robert Rentfro wrote: Is this good? No pic's sadly. http://phoenix.craigslist.org/bik/ Could this be an implement of delardassification? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GWB
you think the next guy will also blow up famous buildings to create an environment of political and economic repression? On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Glenn Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The one good thing about the upcoming election is that we get rid of George IV (GWB). In a dialog on the subject with my brother, I thought I'd pass along his recent note: H. L. Mencken divined in 1920 the election of George W. One some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GWB
Glenn Brown wrote: One some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. November 1963??? January 1977??? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GWB
I didn't realize W blew any buildings up. --Original Message-- From: Gary Hurst Sender: To: Mercedes Discussion List ReplyTo: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Jun 29, 2008 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] GWB you think the next guy will also blow up famous buildings to create an environment of political and economic repression? On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Glenn Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The one good thing about the upcoming election is that we get rid of George IV (GWB). In a dialog on the subject with my brother, I thought I'd pass along his recent note: H. L. Mencken divined in 1920 the election of George W. One some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GWB
you never heard about that world trade center thing, huh? On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 12:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't realize W blew any buildings up. --Original Message-- From: Gary Hurst Sender: To: Mercedes Discussion List ReplyTo: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Jun 29, 2008 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] GWB you think the next guy will also blow up famous buildings to create an environment of political and economic repression? On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Glenn Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The one good thing about the upcoming election is that we get rid of George IV (GWB). In a dialog on the subject with my brother, I thought I'd pass along his recent note: H. L. Mencken divined in 1920 the election of George W. One some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Sent from my BlackBerry(R) wireless handheld ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I dont think cat man ever did have full power out of his wrecked 2.5 turbo
That does indeed make a big difference! The turbo in my 85 Volvo TD was bad when I got it and I didn't know, until it failed completely. No boost cold at all, minimal hot. VERY slow! Unlike a Benz, you can really hear the turbo in the Volvo -- sounds like a police siren a couple block behind on a bad day... Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GWB
And here I thought I was only paranoid Peter On Jun 29, 2008, at 2:42 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: you think the next guy will also blow up famous buildings to create an environment of political and economic repression? On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Glenn Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The one good thing about the upcoming election is that we get rid of George IV (GWB). In a dialog on the subject with my brother, I thought I'd pass along his recent note: H. L. Mencken divined in 1920 the election of George W. One some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GWB
the story is kind of silly. either we conclude that our president and everyone around him, as well as the entire air defense system, is completely inept or retarded or we conclude that it was an inside job. which works best for you? On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And here I thought I was only paranoid Peter On Jun 29, 2008, at 2:42 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: you think the next guy will also blow up famous buildings to create an environment of political and economic repression? On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Glenn Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The one good thing about the upcoming election is that we get rid of George IV (GWB). In a dialog on the subject with my brother, I thought I'd pass along his recent note: H. L. Mencken divined in 1920 the election of George W. One some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Who Are the Bike Guys?
Cyclocross...hu. Which are good ones to investigate? Thanks for good info e. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ernest breakfield Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 12:33 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Who Are the Bike Guys? Robert, the link you included isn't to any specific bike; which bike are you talking about? in general, the best instrument of delardification is the one you'll actually use. also, if delardification is your goal, keep in mind that road-style riding at a continuous near-consistent level of exertion will do a better job of getting you trim than mountain-style trail riding that typically involves high levels of effort (grinding uphill) punctuated by periods of little-to-no effort (downhill). don't buy anything because someone else says it's cool, or the latest whatever; buy what's comfortable and fits, and what you like that will do what you want to do with it. keeping this in mind, the most important things are fit and comfort; if you're not comfortable and it doesn't fit you, it's no fun, and you won't want to use it. considerations must be given to the intangible C-Factor; if you think it's Cool and you'll use it more because of that, that's great if it'll motivate you to take it out and play with it,... but keep in mind that no matter how cool it is, once that initial infatuation wears off you probably won't use it if it's not the right fit for you. (i know cyclists at the extreme end of this scale that buy new bikes constantly in order to keep themselves motivated; it's an expensive approach, but it works for some.) personally, i think Cyclocross-style (or what is also evolving to become known as Fire Road bikes) are the best value and most practical for what most people really need. (do not confuse these with the awful emerging category increasingly known as 'hybrids', which combine the characteristics of a variety of styles and end up being the worst of all worlds!) Cyclocross bikes are plenty sturdy enough for less-than-perfect and/or unpaved roads and not too fragile, but fast enough on the road as to not be as boring as riding mountain bikes on the road. (i have some great MTBs, but find i *hate* riding them on the pavement; what makes a good MTB by definition makes it a sucky road bike. trying to make a MTB a good bike for the road is like putting a set of 'dubs' on a Humvee; you wind up with a machine that's not particularly good at *anything*.) with a Cyclocross bike, you can always swap in another sturdier pair of wheels for heavier fire-road riding or a lightweight set for playing road-racer for the day; this expands the possibilities of what you can do and do well, and is far cheaper than having multiple bikes. as a little perspective, i have Road, Mountain, Cyclocross and Fixed Gear bikes (i'm down to a total of 6 different bikes, in Carbon Fiber, Aluminum and Steel). i ride Mountain on the trails for fun and strength, though it's no fun if you're not fit. i ride Road for fitness and fun (and/or when i feel the pure Need for Speed). i ride Fixed around town doing errands because there's something special about the purity and simplicity of a bike without dérailleurs and brakes, and because it's good training and variety (and admittedly partly because i have what i think is one of the coolest fixed-gear bikes on the planet ;-) ). however, most of the time, if i'm commuting someplace (like my ~1-hour ride across town from the train station to the office i'm currently at, or doing errands in San Francisco) i'll ride a Cyclocross bike, and will frequently take a dirt option if it presents itself. i hope that helps! cheers! e p.s. riding on sideWALKs is *not* OK; bicycles are vehicles, and everyone is safer if they are operated where all other vehicles do. Robert Rentfro wrote: Is this good? No pic's sadly. http://phoenix.craigslist.org/bik/ Could this be an implement of delardassification? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GWB
I'm still quite suspicious of the exact timing of the event. I'm quite sure the Nixon era rejects running things would take undue advantage anyway, but they all were raised up, so to speak, in a culture where skullduggery and illegal acts were not just accepted but expected in order to win. I'm not convinced, and probably never will be, that the attack was allowed to happen for political purposes. Just a suspicion, no proof, but why wouldn't Rove do this? Nothing else ever seemed to be beyond him. Peter On Jun 29, 2008, at 3:22 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: the story is kind of silly. either we conclude that our president and everyone around him, as well as the entire air defense system, is completely inept or retarded or we conclude that it was an inside job. which works best for you? On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And here I thought I was only paranoid Peter On Jun 29, 2008, at 2:42 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: you think the next guy will also blow up famous buildings to create an environment of political and economic repression? On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Glenn Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The one good thing about the upcoming election is that we get rid of George IV (GWB). In a dialog on the subject with my brother, I thought I'd pass along his recent note: H. L. Mencken divined in 1920 the election of George W. One some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GWB
I think you are insane. But I have for years. Now we all know it is true. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld -Original Message- From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:22:24 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] GWB the story is kind of silly. either we conclude that our president and everyone around him, as well as the entire air defense system, is completely inept or retarded or we conclude that it was an inside job. which works best for you? On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And here I thought I was only paranoid Peter On Jun 29, 2008, at 2:42 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: you think the next guy will also blow up famous buildings to create an environment of political and economic repression? On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Glenn Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The one good thing about the upcoming election is that we get rid of George IV (GWB). In a dialog on the subject with my brother, I thought I'd pass along his recent note: H. L. Mencken divined in 1920 the election of George W. One some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chain tensioner spring
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, the spring is directly behind the hex plug.? It is fairly stiff and will require a good push to restart the plug with the new spring.? Of the several used springs I have seen, all had a heavy wear spot on one of the coils where it was rubbing in the barrel. good luck, Jim in Phoenix --- Thanks, Jim. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GWB
This comment reflects great ignorance of the functions and capabilities of the current air defense and air traffic control systems. Until the SECOND impact, the worst-case theory was a simple hijacking gone wrong. Scott Ritchey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 16:22 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] GWB the story is kind of silly. either we conclude that our president and everyone around him, as well as the entire air defense system, is completely inept or retarded or we conclude that it was an inside job. which works best for you? On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And here I thought I was only paranoid Peter On Jun 29, 2008, at 2:42 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: you think the next guy will also blow up famous buildings to create an environment of political and economic repression? On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Glenn Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The one good thing about the upcoming election is that we get rid of George IV (GWB). In a dialog on the subject with my brother, I thought I'd pass along his recent note: H. L. Mencken divined in 1920 the election of George W. One some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT cummins questions
91 Dodge, 5 speed manual. Needs an IP. Asking $1500. How expensive/hard is it to mess with a IP on one of these? Worth that much money with a bad pump? Rest of truck supposedly good. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT cummins questions
If it's a B series engine (and it probably is) it's got a rotary pump on it, probably a Bosch VE that's gear driven off the timing gear. Dan --- On Sun, 6/29/08, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] OT cummins questions To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, June 29, 2008, 6:34 PM 91 Dodge, 5 speed manual. Needs an IP. Asking $1500. How expensive/hard is it to mess with a IP on one of these? Worth that much money with a bad pump? Rest of truck supposedly good. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 evapectomy
Look out, hell might freeze over today!! Luther On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:08:00 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im working on it today actually Luther wrote: or pay me to do it... On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:09:47 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as soon as I get that engine swap done Luther wrote: Which will be done when?? :) Luther On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:57:15 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im going to include this in the okiebenz.com tech articles -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 evapectomy
Well the engine is out. Just need to pull the car its going in around and finish pulling that engine out, which it almost is out. Then swap the turbos and put it in the car. Finding all the little nuts and bolts will be lots of fun!! Then of course hooking everything back up. Much easier coming out than going in Luther wrote: Look out, hell might freeze over today!! Luther On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:08:00 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im working on it today actually Luther wrote: or pay me to do it... On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:09:47 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as soon as I get that engine swap done Luther wrote: Which will be done when?? :) Luther On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:57:15 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im going to include this in the okiebenz.com tech articles -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GWB
Good point Rusty, It's the old thing about *not* saying anything allowing people to *believe* you are an idiot Vs. saying something and letting them *know* you are one. I think it was Mark Twain who said that, perhaps? Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] GWB I think you are insane. But I have for years. Now we all know it is true. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld -Original Message- From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:22:24 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] GWB the story is kind of silly. either we conclude that our president and everyone around him, as well as the entire air defense system, is completely inept or retarded or we conclude that it was an inside job. which works best for you? On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And here I thought I was only paranoid Peter On Jun 29, 2008, at 2:42 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: you think the next guy will also blow up famous buildings to create an environment of political and economic repression? On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Glenn Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The one good thing about the upcoming election is that we get rid of George IV (GWB). In a dialog on the subject with my brother, I thought I'd pass along his recent note: H. L. Mencken divined in 1920 the election of George W. One some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB]
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the story is kind of silly. either we conclude that our president and everyone around him, as well as the entire air defense system, is completely inept or retarded or we conclude that it was an inside job. which works best for you? This is the weakness in Occam's razor, isn't it? Other things being equal, the simplest explanation is the best, but what's your definition of simplest? For me it is easier to accept that the president and much of the federal government are totally incompetent than that shadow forces of some kind within the executive branch planned and carried out that kind of deception on such a massive scale. I'm not saying that sometimes conspiracy theorists aren't in fact correct in their reasoning even though their explanation may at first appear to be the one that is more complex and requires more assumptions. Consider JFK's assassination. It is a simpler explanation that there was a second shooter and therefore a cover-up of some kind than that the laws of physics were temporarily suspended so that the shots Oswald fired could behave in a way no bullet had done before or has since. Like Sherlock Holmes said, when you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 evapectomy
Amen to that! Finding all the little nuts and bolts will be lots of fun!! Then of course hooking everything back up. Much easier coming out than going in -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 evapectomy
It is un-seasonably cool today - only 86F. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look out, hell might freeze over today!! -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 evapectomy
While you are in the dismantling mood don't forget my seat spring base and under door light. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 3:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 evapectomy Im working on it today actually Luther wrote: or pay me to do it... On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:09:47 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as soon as I get that engine swap done Luther wrote: Which will be done when?? :) Luther On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:57:15 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im going to include this in the okiebenz.com tech articles -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Car let-down
Cool! That was an awesome engine. IIRC Rover continued to use it for years - people are still dragging them out of junk yards. Do you recall how much it weighed? Even with it made of Alum I heard it was close to the weight of the MGB 4 cylinder - which was not a lightweight. 400#s perhaps? The MGB list has several people who have B's with Camaro V6s and V8s, along with some Japanese 5 speeds which are very popular - and easy to install from what I hear.I love the sweet shift action of my B as-is but the thought of dropping several hundred rpm when cruising at 65 MPH is really appealing. Course, I'd like to install a 289 with 2-4s but I doubt there;s enough clearence under the hood. ;-) Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car let-down Yes - it was a '63 Olds 215 ci aluminum block V-8. The one that Rover bought from GM. I doubt that very many of us put them in MGAs. It took a full year, working evenings and weekends. The 'A' was possibly easier to work with, since I took the body off the frame, installed the drive train, lowered the rear of the body, then cut away anything that got in the way as I lowered the frond of the body (mostly inner fender sheet metal). It was the little things that took a long time - relocating the steering shaft u-joint, custom welded headers with three pipes per side going under the frame diagonals, and the rear most one going over them, custom made radiator and shroud, driveshaft, etc. The MGA was a LOT more fun with 200HP! On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 11:59 AM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you wrote the Olds engine that replaced the MG engine; Would that be the lightweight Old V8? Didn't know people put them into MGAs - MGBs get them often - as well as many modern V6s and V8s. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GWB
and then a third plane flies to washington, dc without engagement or even detection as the president reads a story to the kiddies and talks to the news. you think if it were a genuine attack someone wouldn't have whisked the president away or at least engaged this 3rd airplane. i never mentioned anything before as i just presumed it was basically understood that 9/11 was a government fabrication. what do they call this thing? false flag? i didn't even realize such a contention would be remotely controversial at this point. are you guys still thinking we are in iraq to fight the terrorists on 9/11 and their weapons of mass destruction? are you going to tell me next that that the north vietnamese blew us up on the golf of tonkin as part of world communist conspiracy, so we must attack them too before those effing dominoes fall over kansas? what can i say? quit being childish! On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 6:17 PM, Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This comment reflects great ignorance of the functions and capabilities of the current air defense and air traffic control systems. Until the SECOND impact, the worst-case theory was a simple hijacking gone wrong. Scott Ritchey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 16:22 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] GWB the story is kind of silly. either we conclude that our president and everyone around him, as well as the entire air defense system, is completely inept or retarded or we conclude that it was an inside job. which works best for you? On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And here I thought I was only paranoid Peter On Jun 29, 2008, at 2:42 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: you think the next guy will also blow up famous buildings to create an environment of political and economic repression? On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Glenn Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The one good thing about the upcoming election is that we get rid of George IV (GWB). In a dialog on the subject with my brother, I thought I'd pass along his recent note: H. L. Mencken divined in 1920 the election of George W. One some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT cummins questions
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: 91 Dodge, 5 speed manual. Needs an IP. Asking $1500. How expensive/hard is it to mess with a IP on one of these? Worth that much money with a bad pump? Rest of truck supposedly good. If you can get the 94-up timing cover and other parts, I've got a factory rebuilt IP in the basement, adjusted to 94-95 specs. Or you could probably find a used 89-93 pump if you look hard enough. I'm guessing a rebuild of the current pump would set you back $800-1000. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Supreme Court upholds gun rights
cops need crime like fish need water. where there is none, they simply try to create some. if you open carry, the police are instructed to harass you, as it is an opportunity to create business. On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: just because the law says open carry is ok, doesn't mean they will let you do it Sometimes they need a little help in getting the message. In this case, the cops asked the manager if the customers were any trouble, trying to prompt a complaint that might justify their actions. The manager said everything was fine until you guys showed up. http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19768981 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Engine swaps, was Car let-down
I never weighed them, but the car sat at the same height with both engines, so I'm guessing they were very close in weight. I swapped in an MGB rear end - 1:3.90 vs. the 'A's 1:4.30 ratio. That brought the top end to 115mph at 6000rpm. I had a lot of fun running Vette's - really surprised them. I even ran even with a 289 Cobra once. I had the engine balanced, and installed a 3/4 racing cam. It was a sweet running engine. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 6:10 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cool! That was an awesome engine. IIRC Rover continued to use it for years - people are still dragging them out of junk yards. Do you recall how much it weighed? Even with it made of Alum I heard it was close to the weight of the MGB 4 cylinder - which was not a lightweight. 400#s perhaps? The MGB list has several people who have B's with Camaro V6s and V8s, along with some Japanese 5 speeds which are very popular - and easy to install from what I hear.I love the sweet shift action of my B as-is but the thought of dropping several hundred rpm when cruising at 65 MPH is really appealing. Course, I'd like to install a 289 with 2-4s but I doubt there;s enough clearence under the hood. ;-) -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB]
You wrote it is easier to accept that the president and much of the federal government are totally incompetent The idea there was any conspiracy among a dozen or more govt agencies to kill thousands of Americans destroy the WTC and Pentagon is beyond reasonable belief. Those of us who watched in on TV will never forget the sight. I have a hard time believing there was any incompetence. The 1st 2 planes hit within a few minutes of each other not allowing enough time for anyone to do anything. The 3rd plane hit the Pa. farmland shortly later and the 4th was in the crosshairs of fighterplanes for its short flight time remaining. That the President and others who had to make the choice to shoot them down or not shoot them down seems like a normal hesitance hoping against hope we would not be pushed into killing 200+ of our own people by terrorists. I'm not a fan of GWB but some things are just plain silly. Larry T - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 6:59 PM Subject: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB] On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the story is kind of silly. either we conclude that our president and everyone around him, as well as the entire air defense system, is completely inept or retarded or we conclude that it was an inside job. which works best for you? This is the weakness in Occam's razor, isn't it? Other things being equal, the simplest explanation is the best, but what's your definition of simplest? For me it is easier to accept that the president and much of the federal government are totally incompetent than that shadow forces of some kind within the executive branch planned and carried out that kind of deception on such a massive scale. I'm not saying that sometimes conspiracy theorists aren't in fact correct in their reasoning even though their explanation may at first appear to be the one that is more complex and requires more assumptions. Consider JFK's assassination. It is a simpler explanation that there was a second shooter and therefore a cover-up of some kind than that the laws of physics were temporarily suspended so that the shots Oswald fired could behave in a way no bullet had done before or has since. Like Sherlock Holmes said, when you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT cummins questions
91 Dodge, 5 speed manual. Needs an IP. Asking $1500. How expensive/hard is it to mess with a IP on one of these? Worth that much money with a bad pump? Rest of truck supposedly good. I don't think it's hard to replace, but tends to be expensive. I know that 10 years later it's something like a $2k part, don't know if the earlier years are cheaper. Can't speak as to the value of the truck. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB]
i think we have to draw out a time line here. as i said, i thought it was just common knowledge that this was no external terrorist attack, but it appears now. i don't think your government has any problems with entering into large conspiracies that kills thousands of americans. i mean, what else is this iraq war if not that. but now you challenge me to do research, so we see is it's such total nonsense or not to think this guy was a participant in 9/11 On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 7:27 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You wrote it is easier to accept that the president and much of the federal government are totally incompetent The idea there was any conspiracy among a dozen or more govt agencies to kill thousands of Americans destroy the WTC and Pentagon is beyond reasonable belief. Those of us who watched in on TV will never forget the sight. I have a hard time believing there was any incompetence. The 1st 2 planes hit within a few minutes of each other not allowing enough time for anyone to do anything. The 3rd plane hit the Pa. farmland shortly later and the 4th was in the crosshairs of fighterplanes for its short flight time remaining. That the President and others who had to make the choice to shoot them down or not shoot them down seems like a normal hesitance hoping against hope we would not be pushed into killing 200+ of our own people by terrorists. I'm not a fan of GWB but some things are just plain silly. Larry T - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 6:59 PM Subject: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB] On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the story is kind of silly. either we conclude that our president and everyone around him, as well as the entire air defense system, is completely inept or retarded or we conclude that it was an inside job. which works best for you? This is the weakness in Occam's razor, isn't it? Other things being equal, the simplest explanation is the best, but what's your definition of simplest? For me it is easier to accept that the president and much of the federal government are totally incompetent than that shadow forces of some kind within the executive branch planned and carried out that kind of deception on such a massive scale. I'm not saying that sometimes conspiracy theorists aren't in fact correct in their reasoning even though their explanation may at first appear to be the one that is more complex and requires more assumptions. Consider JFK's assassination. It is a simpler explanation that there was a second shooter and therefore a cover-up of some kind than that the laws of physics were temporarily suspended so that the shots Oswald fired could behave in a way no bullet had done before or has since. Like Sherlock Holmes said, when you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB]
However, I have no doubt that the total lack of communication between our intelligence agencies, and even within them, was a major contributing factor to the success of the terrorist's operation, thus the incompetence - and responsibility goes all the way to the top. I heard about the first tower on the news, called my daughter in NYC. She went to the roof of her apartment building, and photographed the second tower. Too close! http://www.pixelpress.org/september11/sept11_index.html, click the second picture on the fourth row. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 6:27 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You wrote it is easier to accept that the president and much of the federal government are totally incompetent The idea there was any conspiracy among a dozen or more govt agencies to kill thousands of Americans destroy the WTC and Pentagon is beyond reasonable belief. Those of us who watched in on TV will never forget the sight. I have a hard time believing there was any incompetence. The 1st 2 planes hit within a few minutes of each other not allowing enough time for anyone to do anything. The 3rd plane hit the Pa. farmland shortly later and the 4th was in the crosshairs of fighterplanes for its short flight time remaining. That the President and others who had to make the choice to shoot them down or not shoot them down seems like a normal hesitance hoping against hope we would not be pushed into killing 200+ of our own people by terrorists. I'm not a fan of GWB but some things are just plain silly. Larry T -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] MG's
When I was 'bout 19 and had little more than good health, good intelligence, a strong sense of integity, tenacity, persistance and determination, a rich guy (well, his son, anyway) on the hall in my college dorm took me for a short ride in his '53/54 MGA. 'Sure sounded sweet. I've wanted one ever since. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT cummins questions
Maybe less at the Bosch place here On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:00:44 -0500, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: 91 Dodge, 5 speed manual. Needs an IP. Asking $1500. How expensive/hard is it to mess with a IP on one of these? Worth that much money with a bad pump? Rest of truck supposedly good. If you can get the 94-up timing cover and other parts, I've got a factory rebuilt IP in the basement, adjusted to 94-95 specs. Or you could probably find a used 89-93 pump if you look hard enough. I'm guessing a rebuild of the current pump would set you back $800-1000. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB]
There was never any question that there were at least two shooters in the JFK assassination, and that Oswald was probably not one of them, at lest not one who actually hit him. Johnson pretty much ordered the Warren Commission to find that Oswald was the only shooter and that there was no Mob or foreign (specifically Russian) involvement in spite of the fact that all evidence pointed to at least three shooters, one in front who actually killed JFK. We were in the middle of one of the hotter parts of the Cold War and he was greatly concerned about a nuclear war with the USSR, and while I can understand his position, I cannot and will never condone telling bald-faced lies to the public no matter what the circumstances. The investigation was so badly handled (and Hoover very likely involved in any conspiracy to assassinate the president anyway, so there's that to taint it as well) that we will never know. Certainly, no properly handled trial could ever convict Oswald, even if he did do it, as all the evidence was snatched up by the FBI without proper documentation. Not admissible. On top of the fact that there is a fairly good photograph on him watching the motorcade going past... As far as 9/11 goes, the ineptitude of the Bush administration is only second to the corruption of that crew, and I suspect they mostly have no morals at all. Wouldn't surprise me at all that they purposely overlooked information available in order to take advantage of it. Might not be ol' Shrub himself, but certainly I can see Rove or Cheny doing it. Peter On Jun 29, 2008, at 5:59 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the story is kind of silly. either we conclude that our president and everyone around him, as well as the entire air defense system, is completely inept or retarded or we conclude that it was an inside job. which works best for you? This is the weakness in Occam's razor, isn't it? Other things being equal, the simplest explanation is the best, but what's your definition of simplest? For me it is easier to accept that the president and much of the federal government are totally incompetent than that shadow forces of some kind within the executive branch planned and carried out that kind of deception on such a massive scale. I'm not saying that sometimes conspiracy theorists aren't in fact correct in their reasoning even though their explanation may at first appear to be the one that is more complex and requires more assumptions. Consider JFK's assassination. It is a simpler explanation that there was a second shooter and therefore a cover-up of some kind than that the laws of physics were temporarily suspended so that the shots Oswald fired could behave in a way no bullet had done before or has since. Like Sherlock Holmes said, when you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MG's
Minor point - the MGA came out in 1955. http://www.mgcars.org.uk/mga.html It was streamlined, vs. the cycle fender'd TF that was made in '54. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was 'bout 19 and had little more than good health, good intelligence, a strong sense of integity, tenacity, persistance and determination, a rich guy (well, his son, anyway) on the hall in my college dorm took me for a short ride in his '53/54 MGA. 'Sure sounded sweet. I've wanted one ever since. Wilton -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GWB
Good point Rusty, It's the old thing about *not* saying anything allowing people to *believe* you are an idiot Vs. saying something and letting them *know* you are one. I think it was Mark Twain who said that, perhaps? Bible based, originally. Proverbs 17:28 (New International Version) 28 Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT cummins questions
So is it the rotary or online pump. Are you saying if you swap the 94 up timing cover etc you can install the newer pump? Does this give more power or anything like that? Mitch Haley wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: 91 Dodge, 5 speed manual. Needs an IP. Asking $1500. How expensive/hard is it to mess with a IP on one of these? Worth that much money with a bad pump? Rest of truck supposedly good. If you can get the 94-up timing cover and other parts, I've got a factory rebuilt IP in the basement, adjusted to 94-95 specs. Or you could probably find a used 89-93 pump if you look hard enough. I'm guessing a rebuild of the current pump would set you back $800-1000. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GWB
The final word, which most people haven't heard, is that there were no torpedo boats in the Gulf of Tonkin that night. They were chasing radar echoes from interference and beam curvature that were known to produce phantom returns, and the torpedoes were their own and each other's propellors echoing off the bottom and rudders, again a known problem but misunderstood in the chaos. Again, Johnson took advantage of an unrelated opportunity and gave us the nasties from Viet Nam. Shrub did it with 9/11, and we aren't done with this edition yet. Oh, by the way, there was an interceptor just a few miles behind the plane that hit the Pentagon, but you gotta remember, this was all out of a clear blue sky so far as the air defense command was concerned. Takes a while to determine that a plane no longer responding on a normal day has been hijacked, as hijackings in the US itself are quite rare these days, and longer to understand that it wasn't a ransom hijack. Add to that the fact that we don't fly a military patrol of the airways, and the response wasn't too bad at all. The only way it could have been prevented was for the Air Force to be already patrolling for hijacked planes headed for buildings, and if that had been the case, there wouldn't have been an attack. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 evapectomy
Well the fun part is that the parts car has been sitting for a while, and as I am under the car removing bolts, I tend to leave them laying on the driveway under the car, then they get lost. It will be a mess OK Don wrote: Amen to that! Finding all the little nuts and bolts will be lots of fun!! Then of course hooking everything back up. Much easier coming out than going in -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 evapectomy
oh yea Bill R wrote: While you are in the dismantling mood don't forget my seat spring base and under door light. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 3:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 evapectomy Im working on it today actually Luther wrote: or pay me to do it... On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:09:47 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as soon as I get that engine swap done Luther wrote: Which will be done when?? :) Luther On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:57:15 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im going to include this in the okiebenz.com tech articles -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT cummins questions
My VE pump off the Volvo was $750 ten years ago, figure inflation and price increases. It was pretty fried, you might get by cheaper. If it's a no start problem, the shutoff solenoid is known to fracture, leaving the valve closed while the armature pulls up and clicks Very quiet click, should be a loud one against the closing spring. Much cheaper than a rebuild. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT cummins questions
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: So is it the rotary or online pump. Are you saying if you swap the 94 up timing cover etc you can install the newer pump? Does this give more power or anything like that? 89-93 was rotary. 94-98 was P7100 inline. 98 1/2 went to something else. I don't have a complete list of needed parts to convert an old one to P7100, but it is a desirable conversion. Not a necessary conversion, as you can get 250-300hp out of the rotary, but it the inline is an upgrade. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MG's
OK, that answers it, then. I 've wondered for the last 50+ years if that were an A or whatever? It had cycle fenders. So, it was a TF? Thanks. Well, I wanted one, anway. Wilton - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MG's Minor point - the MGA came out in 1955. http://www.mgcars.org.uk/mga.html It was streamlined, vs. the cycle fender'd TF that was made in '54. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was 'bout 19 and had little more than good health, good intelligence, a strong sense of integity, tenacity, persistance and determination, a rich guy (well, his son, anyway) on the hall in my college dorm took me for a short ride in his '53/54 MGA. 'Sure sounded sweet. I've wanted one ever since. Wilton -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Recirculation Air Vacuum Module? 300D Turbo
300D Turbo; Anyone know where to get a Diaphram KIT or vacuum module for recirculating door; looked up no one has it shown or listed; all the others but not this one e-mailed buymbparts.com got NO response from them i can't read all the #s on these; this is the one on top, all the way under right side of dash with 1 bend on end of rod that goes in recirculating flap; if i had a new diaphram or the diaphram from the center flap; might work; # is 062100169 these #s may not all be correct; maybe buy a cheaper $22 center flap vac. mod. use diaphram if it FITS?, looks same size; instead of a $65 other vac. mod. Thanks for any help, Steve Click here to save cash and find low rates on auto loans. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3ndyHxwk9jOzAe3qSzGpahq1B7RJTdPhLUDy771CbFXlwSlv/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB]
i think the fact that we wouldn't put it past him to have something to do with 9/11 is pretty damning in itself. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was never any question that there were at least two shooters in the JFK assassination, and that Oswald was probably not one of them, at lest not one who actually hit him. Johnson pretty much ordered the Warren Commission to find that Oswald was the only shooter and that there was no Mob or foreign (specifically Russian) involvement in spite of the fact that all evidence pointed to at least three shooters, one in front who actually killed JFK. We were in the middle of one of the hotter parts of the Cold War and he was greatly concerned about a nuclear war with the USSR, and while I can understand his position, I cannot and will never condone telling bald-faced lies to the public no matter what the circumstances. The investigation was so badly handled (and Hoover very likely involved in any conspiracy to assassinate the president anyway, so there's that to taint it as well) that we will never know. Certainly, no properly handled trial could ever convict Oswald, even if he did do it, as all the evidence was snatched up by the FBI without proper documentation. Not admissible. On top of the fact that there is a fairly good photograph on him watching the motorcade going past... As far as 9/11 goes, the ineptitude of the Bush administration is only second to the corruption of that crew, and I suspect they mostly have no morals at all. Wouldn't surprise me at all that they purposely overlooked information available in order to take advantage of it. Might not be ol' Shrub himself, but certainly I can see Rove or Cheny doing it. Peter On Jun 29, 2008, at 5:59 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the story is kind of silly. either we conclude that our president and everyone around him, as well as the entire air defense system, is completely inept or retarded or we conclude that it was an inside job. which works best for you? This is the weakness in Occam's razor, isn't it? Other things being equal, the simplest explanation is the best, but what's your definition of simplest? For me it is easier to accept that the president and much of the federal government are totally incompetent than that shadow forces of some kind within the executive branch planned and carried out that kind of deception on such a massive scale. I'm not saying that sometimes conspiracy theorists aren't in fact correct in their reasoning even though their explanation may at first appear to be the one that is more complex and requires more assumptions. Consider JFK's assassination. It is a simpler explanation that there was a second shooter and therefore a cover-up of some kind than that the laws of physics were temporarily suspended so that the shots Oswald fired could behave in a way no bullet had done before or has since. Like Sherlock Holmes said, when you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB]
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:40:56 -0400 Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think the fact that we wouldn't put it past him to have something to do with 9/11 is pretty damning in itself. No, I think it's reflective of your mind being poisoned by the virulent Bush-haters of the left. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Recirculation Air Vacuum Module? 300D Turbo
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:18:10 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 300D Turbo; Anyone know where to get a Diaphram KIT or vacuum module for recirculating door; looked up no one has it shown or listed; all the others but not this one e-mailed buymbparts.com got NO response from them What email address did you use? Try [EMAIL PROTECTED], who posted to this list a few hours ago. Better yet, call (800) 741-5252 tomorrow and ask to speak to Rusty. Tell him what kind of car you have and what you need. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Engine swaps, was Car let-down
Nice.I have a rubber bumper midget sitting in the barn waiting for time to put the 300HP 215 olds motor in it. Mike -Original Message- Date: Sunday, June 29, 2008 7:27:43 pm To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Engine swaps, was Car let-down I never weighed them, but the car sat at the same height with both engines, so I'm guessing they were very close in weight. I swapped in an MGB rear end - 1:3.90 vs. the 'A's 1:4.30 ratio. That brought the top end to 115mph at 6000rpm. I had a lot of fun running Vette's - really surprised them. I even ran even with a 289 Cobra once. I had the engine balanced, and installed a 3/4 racing cam. It was a sweet running engine. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 6:10 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cool! That was an awesome engine. IIRC Rover continued to use it for years - people are still dragging them out of junk yards. Do you recall how much it weighed? Even with it made of Alum I heard it was close to the weight of the MGB 4 cylinder - which was not a lightweight. 400#s perhaps? The MGB list has several people who have B's with Camaro V6s and V8s, along with some Japanese 5 speeds which are very popular - and easy to install from what I hear.I love the sweet shift action of my B as-is but the thought of dropping several hundred rpm when cruising at 65 MPH is really appealing. Course, I'd like to install a 289 with 2-4s but I doubt there;s enough clearence under the hood. ;-) -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB]
i am a lifelong republican, but this guy seems absolutely capable of anything. an absolutely amoral maniac who has hoodwinked america's christians into putting him into power. if anyone has poisoned my mind, it's been dubya and his crew. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:40:56 -0400 Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think the fact that we wouldn't put it past him to have something to do with 9/11 is pretty damning in itself. No, I think it's reflective of your mind being poisoned by the virulent Bush-haters of the left. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB]
Now Craig, be patient, he;s presenting his evidence. I think it was i think the fact that we wouldn't put it past him to have something to do with 9/11 is pretty damning in itself. Looks like incontrovertible evidence to me. That';s the kind of thing Dems do - throw somethng out at a press conference and say, The charges are so serious we *must* investigate! Nevermond there's no proof - just acccusation. Hmm.. wonder where I put my tin foil hat? Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB] On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:40:56 -0400 Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think the fact that we wouldn't put it past him to have something to do with 9/11 is pretty damning in itself. No, I think it's reflective of your mind being poisoned by the virulent Bush-haters of the left. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB]
You do know there *were* WMDs in Iraq? Poison weapons by the thousands and a proven track record of using them against his own people.The nuke story came from hussien - he wanted to world to *think* he was on a nuclear building program - especially in the arab world who are pretty each to fool - the fact the western worlds so-called intelligence failed (once again) is no reason to paint the whole administration as little hitlers. You've accepted too much of the lefts propaganda without questioning it. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB] i am a lifelong republican, but this guy seems absolutely capable of anything. an absolutely amoral maniac who has hoodwinked america's christians into putting him into power. if anyone has poisoned my mind, it's been dubya and his crew. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:40:56 -0400 Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think the fact that we wouldn't put it past him to have something to do with 9/11 is pretty damning in itself. No, I think it's reflective of your mind being poisoned by the virulent Bush-haters of the left. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB]
that's not evidence, but a sad fact On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:38 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now Craig, be patient, he;s presenting his evidence. I think it was i think the fact that we wouldn't put it past him to have something to do with 9/11 is pretty damning in itself. Looks like incontrovertible evidence to me. That';s the kind of thing Dems do - throw somethng out at a press conference and say, The charges are so serious we *must* investigate! Nevermond there's no proof - just acccusation. Hmm.. wonder where I put my tin foil hat? Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB] On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:40:56 -0400 Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think the fact that we wouldn't put it past him to have something to do with 9/11 is pretty damning in itself. No, I think it's reflective of your mind being poisoned by the virulent Bush-haters of the left. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB]
What he said. I'm pleased the government [at least the military] is owning up to how messed up the war in Iraq has been, but that will never make up for the malignant stupidity that got us there. WTC might have been the best political thing that ever happened to GWB, but no matter how much I dislike his administration I won't put that one on him. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 7:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB] You wrote it is easier to accept that the president and much of the federal government are totally incompetent The idea there was any conspiracy among a dozen or more govt agencies to kill thousands of Americans destroy the WTC and Pentagon is beyond reasonable belief. Those of us who watched in on TV will never forget the sight. I have a hard time believing there was any incompetence. The 1st 2 planes hit within a few minutes of each other not allowing enough time for anyone to do anything. The 3rd plane hit the Pa. farmland shortly later and the 4th was in the crosshairs of fighterplanes for its short flight time remaining. That the President and others who had to make the choice to shoot them down or not shoot them down seems like a normal hesitance hoping against hope we would not be pushed into killing 200+ of our own people by terrorists. I'm not a fan of GWB but some things are just plain silly. Larry T - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 6:59 PM Subject: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB] On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the story is kind of silly. either we conclude that our president and everyone around him, as well as the entire air defense system, is completely inept or retarded or we conclude that it was an inside job. which works best for you? This is the weakness in Occam's razor, isn't it? Other things being equal, the simplest explanation is the best, but what's your definition of simplest? For me it is easier to accept that the president and much of the federal government are totally incompetent than that shadow forces of some kind within the executive branch planned and carried out that kind of deception on such a massive scale. I'm not saying that sometimes conspiracy theorists aren't in fact correct in their reasoning even though their explanation may at first appear to be the one that is more complex and requires more assumptions. Consider JFK's assassination. It is a simpler explanation that there was a second shooter and therefore a cover-up of some kind than that the laws of physics were temporarily suspended so that the shots Oswald fired could behave in a way no bullet had done before or has since. Like Sherlock Holmes said, when you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Who Are the Bike Guys?
hi Bob! lots of companies make them now, ranging from a few hundred bucks to multi-kilobucks; i haven't been keeping up on all of them, especially since they change every year. do some Googling and you should find plenty; here's a sample of one site i found in a quick search that happens to mention many (but by no means all): http://www.roadbikereview.com/latest-bikes/cyclocross-bike/PLS_5670crx.aspx cheers! e Robert Rentfro wrote: Cyclocross...hu. Which are good ones to investigate? Thanks for good info e. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ernest breakfield Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 12:33 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Who Are the Bike Guys? Robert, the link you included isn't to any specific bike; which bike are you talking about? in general, the best instrument of delardification is the one you'll actually use. also, if delardification is your goal, keep in mind that road-style riding at a continuous near-consistent level of exertion will do a better job of getting you trim than mountain-style trail riding that typically involves high levels of effort (grinding uphill) punctuated by periods of little-to-no effort (downhill). don't buy anything because someone else says it's cool, or the latest whatever; buy what's comfortable and fits, and what you like that will do what you want to do with it. keeping this in mind, the most important things are fit and comfort; if you're not comfortable and it doesn't fit you, it's no fun, and you won't want to use it. considerations must be given to the intangible C-Factor; if you think it's Cool and you'll use it more because of that, that's great if it'll motivate you to take it out and play with it,... but keep in mind that no matter how cool it is, once that initial infatuation wears off you probably won't use it if it's not the right fit for you. (i know cyclists at the extreme end of this scale that buy new bikes constantly in order to keep themselves motivated; it's an expensive approach, but it works for some.) personally, i think Cyclocross-style (or what is also evolving to become known as Fire Road bikes) are the best value and most practical for what most people really need. (do not confuse these with the awful emerging category increasingly known as 'hybrids', which combine the characteristics of a variety of styles and end up being the worst of all worlds!) Cyclocross bikes are plenty sturdy enough for less-than-perfect and/or unpaved roads and not too fragile, but fast enough on the road as to not be as boring as riding mountain bikes on the road. (i have some great MTBs, but find i *hate* riding them on the pavement; what makes a good MTB by definition makes it a sucky road bike. trying to make a MTB a good bike for the road is like putting a set of 'dubs' on a Humvee; you wind up with a machine that's not particularly good at *anything*.) with a Cyclocross bike, you can always swap in another sturdier pair of wheels for heavier fire-road riding or a lightweight set for playing road-racer for the day; this expands the possibilities of what you can do and do well, and is far cheaper than having multiple bikes. as a little perspective, i have Road, Mountain, Cyclocross and Fixed Gear bikes (i'm down to a total of 6 different bikes, in Carbon Fiber, Aluminum and Steel). i ride Mountain on the trails for fun and strength, though it's no fun if you're not fit. i ride Road for fitness and fun (and/or when i feel the pure Need for Speed). i ride Fixed around town doing errands because there's something special about the purity and simplicity of a bike without dérailleurs and brakes, and because it's good training and variety (and admittedly partly because i have what i think is one of the coolest fixed-gear bikes on the planet ;-) ). however, most of the time, if i'm commuting someplace (like my ~1-hour ride across town from the train station to the office i'm currently at, or doing errands in San Francisco) i'll ride a Cyclocross bike, and will frequently take a dirt option if it presents itself. i hope that helps! cheers! e p.s. riding on sideWALKs is *not* OK; bicycles are vehicles, and everyone is safer if they are operated where all other vehicles do. Robert Rentfro wrote: Is this good? No pic's sadly. http://phoenix.craigslist.org/bik/ Could this be an implement of delardassification? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new
Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB]
what did iraq have to do with these alleged terrorists? who are we liberating when we have destroyed the tyrant and his armies yet still have keep fighting the populace every day? how is this war won other than by killing every resident of iraq? why iraq and not, say, north korea? what exactly are we trying to get done at this point other than to occupy and oppress a once sovereign nation? the left loves this war as much as the fake neo con radio right. everyone is making money on it, i suppose. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:42 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You do know there *were* WMDs in Iraq? Poison weapons by the thousands and a proven track record of using them against his own people.The nuke story came from hussien - he wanted to world to *think* he was on a nuclear building program - especially in the arab world who are pretty each to fool - the fact the western worlds so-called intelligence failed (once again) is no reason to paint the whole administration as little hitlers. You've accepted too much of the lefts propaganda without questioning it. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB] i am a lifelong republican, but this guy seems absolutely capable of anything. an absolutely amoral maniac who has hoodwinked america's christians into putting him into power. if anyone has poisoned my mind, it's been dubya and his crew. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:40:56 -0400 Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think the fact that we wouldn't put it past him to have something to do with 9/11 is pretty damning in itself. No, I think it's reflective of your mind being poisoned by the virulent Bush-haters of the left. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB]
would you put it past him? why wouldn't the group that manufactured iraq also be capable of producing wtc? On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:46 PM, Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What he said. I'm pleased the government [at least the military] is owning up to how messed up the war in Iraq has been, but that will never make up for the malignant stupidity that got us there. WTC might have been the best political thing that ever happened to GWB, but no matter how much I dislike his administration I won't put that one on him. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 7:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB] You wrote it is easier to accept that the president and much of the federal government are totally incompetent The idea there was any conspiracy among a dozen or more govt agencies to kill thousands of Americans destroy the WTC and Pentagon is beyond reasonable belief. Those of us who watched in on TV will never forget the sight. I have a hard time believing there was any incompetence. The 1st 2 planes hit within a few minutes of each other not allowing enough time for anyone to do anything. The 3rd plane hit the Pa. farmland shortly later and the 4th was in the crosshairs of fighterplanes for its short flight time remaining. That the President and others who had to make the choice to shoot them down or not shoot them down seems like a normal hesitance hoping against hope we would not be pushed into killing 200+ of our own people by terrorists. I'm not a fan of GWB but some things are just plain silly. Larry T - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 6:59 PM Subject: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB] On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the story is kind of silly. either we conclude that our president and everyone around him, as well as the entire air defense system, is completely inept or retarded or we conclude that it was an inside job. which works best for you? This is the weakness in Occam's razor, isn't it? Other things being equal, the simplest explanation is the best, but what's your definition of simplest? For me it is easier to accept that the president and much of the federal government are totally incompetent than that shadow forces of some kind within the executive branch planned and carried out that kind of deception on such a massive scale. I'm not saying that sometimes conspiracy theorists aren't in fact correct in their reasoning even though their explanation may at first appear to be the one that is more complex and requires more assumptions. Consider JFK's assassination. It is a simpler explanation that there was a second shooter and therefore a cover-up of some kind than that the laws of physics were temporarily suspended so that the shots Oswald fired could behave in a way no bullet had done before or has since. Like Sherlock Holmes said, when you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Who Are the Bike Guys?
Hit the garage sales if you are normal size frame. Me? I need to custom-order tall size (shorts and bicycles). Or just pony up the money for a rugged one-speed, coaster brake bike and ride it for the rest of your life. Don't buy at WalMart, buy from a bike shop that sells quality stuff. Zero maintenance as long as you keep the tires inflated. No brakes to replace, you gears to adjust, etc. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Few hillsthey sell the bikes you described around here as beach cruisers and charge an inordinate amount of moolah for them. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 5:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Who Are the Bike Guys? How many hills will you encounter? If few, then a one-speed, balloon-tire Schwinn. On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something like a mountain bike (vice a road bike, I suppose) to ride around to get some exercise. I reckon it will be on sidewalks, streets and dirt/gravel along canals. What should I look for? Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 2:58 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Who Are the Bike Guys? Robert Rentfro wrote: Is this good? No pic's sadly. http://phoenix.craigslist.org/bik/ Did you have a particular bike in mind? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MG's
Wasn't there a TD, also? Wilton - Original Message - From: Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MG's OK, that answers it, then. I 've wondered for the last 50+ years if that were an A or whatever? It had cycle fenders. So, it was a TF? Thanks. Well, I wanted one, anway. Wilton - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MG's Minor point - the MGA came out in 1955. http://www.mgcars.org.uk/mga.html It was streamlined, vs. the cycle fender'd TF that was made in '54. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was 'bout 19 and had little more than good health, good intelligence, a strong sense of integity, tenacity, persistance and determination, a rich guy (well, his son, anyway) on the hall in my college dorm took me for a short ride in his '53/54 MGA. 'Sure sounded sweet. I've wanted one ever since. Wilton -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB]
I am sure there are those in most any administration whose loyalty is not to Truth, Justice, and the American Way, but to the party/people who they believe will make the country better or stronger or make them more money [take you pick - it's probably a mixture anyway]. Those are the really dangerous ones. The zealots always are, because they are convinced they are doing the equivalent of 'God's work' and any damage done is excusable, be they terrorists with a bomb strapped to themselves or political terrorists who plan political campaigns or military commanders who dont take proper care to keep ordinance out of civilian areas. Would I say that is too much for GWB to have done? Yes, I would. Some misguided political zealots [other than the 9/11 terrorists], possibly. Perhaps I am guilty of some naiveté here, but if so I'll be one of those who lives more happily because of it. I could not begin to counter such as you posit because I am not willing to do what it would take to get that done. For me to live with some basic trust of people is necessary for my life, though it has had a cost. I suppose that like so many problems it comes down to greed. Greed for power, for influence, for position or for financial gain, or even to be 'right' more than others. I doubt we will agree on this stuff Gary, because you can see conspiracy in all the places it could possibly be, and I'm just not willing to work that hard. The curse of being a moderate, I guess, and probably of having spent a lot of years dealing with various local emergencies/crisis that were not any different from normal life except for some individual's hyper-focus on it. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 9:51 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB] would you put it past him? why wouldn't the group that manufactured iraq also be capable of producing wtc? On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:46 PM, Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What he said. I'm pleased the government [at least the military] is owning up to how messed up the war in Iraq has been, but that will never make up for the malignant stupidity that got us there. WTC might have been the best political thing that ever happened to GWB, but no matter how much I dislike his administration I won't put that one on him. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 7:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB] You wrote it is easier to accept that the president and much of the federal government are totally incompetent The idea there was any conspiracy among a dozen or more govt agencies to kill thousands of Americans destroy the WTC and Pentagon is beyond reasonable belief. Those of us who watched in on TV will never forget the sight. I have a hard time believing there was any incompetence. The 1st 2 planes hit within a few minutes of each other not allowing enough time for anyone to do anything. The 3rd plane hit the Pa. farmland shortly later and the 4th was in the crosshairs of fighterplanes for its short flight time remaining. That the President and others who had to make the choice to shoot them down or not shoot them down seems like a normal hesitance hoping against hope we would not be pushed into killing 200+ of our own people by terrorists. I'm not a fan of GWB but some things are just plain silly. Larry T - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 6:59 PM Subject: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB] On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the story is kind of silly. either we conclude that our president and everyone around him, as well as the entire air defense system, is completely inept or retarded or we conclude that it was an inside job. which works best for you? This is the weakness in Occam's razor, isn't it? Other things being equal, the simplest explanation is the best, but what's your definition of simplest? For me it is easier to accept that the president and much of the federal government are totally incompetent than that shadow forces of some kind within the executive branch planned and carried out that kind of deception on such a massive scale. I'm not saying that sometimes conspiracy theorists aren't in fact correct in their reasoning even though their explanation may at first appear to be the one that is more complex and requires more assumptions. Consider JFK's assassination. It is a simpler explanation that there was a second shooter and therefore a cover-up of some kind than that the laws of physics were temporarily suspended so that the shots Oswald fired could
Re: [MBZ] MG's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_(car) Mine was a 1971 MGB. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wasn't there a TD, also? Wilton -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] NeoCons (was 9/11)
on 6/29/08 21:22, Gary Hurst at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am a lifelong republican, but this guy seems absolutely capable of anything. an absolutely amoral maniac who has hoodwinked america's christians into putting him into power. if anyone has poisoned my mind, it's been dubya and his crew. Ah, but there is your problem. Bush thinks he is a republican, but in fact he is a puppet being whose strings are being pulled by rabidly pro-Israeli neo-cons who waited some 20 years for someone to come along stupid enough to allow them to play out their We Own/Run The World fantasy. Forget anything else... exactly HOW does the U.S. plan to PAY for this awful experience? One piece of advice: next time you call on your nation's young people to put themselves in harm's way, in the service of your country, you had better make damn sure the guy at the top got it right. Cause when the boys and girls get back from Iraq there is going to be discontent to rival or exceed Vietnam, and I am old enough to remember how bad that was. Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB]
on 6/29/08 18:59, Alex Chamberlain at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the weakness in Occam's razor, isn't it? Other things being equal, the simplest explanation is the best, but what's your definition of simplest? For me it is easier to accept that the president and much of the federal government are totally incompetent than that shadow forces of some kind within the executive branch planned and carried out that kind of deception on such a massive scale. Okay, someone -- preferably someone who believes the conclusions of the 9/11 Commission Report -- explain WTC 7 to me. And forget using the word fire, unless you have a compelling reason to argue why this was the first steel-framed building in history to COLLAPSE from fire damage, and not even an engulfing fire at that. Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] NeoCons (was 9/11)
i think i agree with the swine, but many of our listers have a very different view of vietnam part deux On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/29/08 21:22, Gary Hurst at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am a lifelong republican, but this guy seems absolutely capable of anything. an absolutely amoral maniac who has hoodwinked america's christians into putting him into power. if anyone has poisoned my mind, it's been dubya and his crew. Ah, but there is your problem. Bush thinks he is a republican, but in fact he is a puppet being whose strings are being pulled by rabidly pro-Israeli neo-cons who waited some 20 years for someone to come along stupid enough to allow them to play out their We Own/Run The World fantasy. Forget anything else... exactly HOW does the U.S. plan to PAY for this awful experience? One piece of advice: next time you call on your nation's young people to put themselves in harm's way, in the service of your country, you had better make damn sure the guy at the top got it right. Cause when the boys and girls get back from Iraq there is going to be discontent to rival or exceed Vietnam, and I am old enough to remember how bad that was. Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB]
i guess after being lied to so much, i am overly suspicious of my leaders. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sure there are those in most any administration whose loyalty is not to Truth, Justice, and the American Way, but to the party/people who they believe will make the country better or stronger or make them more money [take you pick - it's probably a mixture anyway]. Those are the really dangerous ones. The zealots always are, because they are convinced they are doing the equivalent of 'God's work' and any damage done is excusable, be they terrorists with a bomb strapped to themselves or political terrorists who plan political campaigns or military commanders who don't take proper care to keep ordinance out of civilian areas. Would I say that is too much for GWB to have done? Yes, I would. Some misguided political zealots [other than the 9/11 terrorists], possibly. Perhaps I am guilty of some naiveté here, but if so I'll be one of those who lives more happily because of it. I could not begin to counter such as you posit because I am not willing to do what it would take to get that done. For me to live with some basic trust of people is necessary for my life, though it has had a cost. I suppose that like so many problems it comes down to greed. Greed for power, for influence, for position or for financial gain, or even to be 'right' more than others. I doubt we will agree on this stuff Gary, because you can see conspiracy in all the places it could possibly be, and I'm just not willing to work that hard. The curse of being a moderate, I guess, and probably of having spent a lot of years dealing with various local emergencies/crisis that were not any different from normal life except for some individual's hyper-focus on it. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 9:51 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB] would you put it past him? why wouldn't the group that manufactured iraq also be capable of producing wtc? On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:46 PM, Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What he said. I'm pleased the government [at least the military] is owning up to how messed up the war in Iraq has been, but that will never make up for the malignant stupidity that got us there. WTC might have been the best political thing that ever happened to GWB, but no matter how much I dislike his administration I won't put that one on him. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 7:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB] You wrote it is easier to accept that the president and much of the federal government are totally incompetent The idea there was any conspiracy among a dozen or more govt agencies to kill thousands of Americans destroy the WTC and Pentagon is beyond reasonable belief. Those of us who watched in on TV will never forget the sight. I have a hard time believing there was any incompetence. The 1st 2 planes hit within a few minutes of each other not allowing enough time for anyone to do anything. The 3rd plane hit the Pa. farmland shortly later and the 4th was in the crosshairs of fighterplanes for its short flight time remaining. That the President and others who had to make the choice to shoot them down or not shoot them down seems like a normal hesitance hoping against hope we would not be pushed into killing 200+ of our own people by terrorists. I'm not a fan of GWB but some things are just plain silly. Larry T - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 6:59 PM Subject: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB] On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the story is kind of silly. either we conclude that our president and everyone around him, as well as the entire air defense system, is completely inept or retarded or we conclude that it was an inside job. which works best for you? This is the weakness in Occam's razor, isn't it? Other things being equal, the simplest explanation is the best, but what's your definition of simplest? For me it is easier to accept that the president and much of the federal government are totally incompetent than that shadow forces of some kind within the executive branch planned and carried out that kind of deception on such a massive scale. I'm not saying that sometimes conspiracy theorists aren't in fact correct in their reasoning even though their explanation may at first appear to be the one that is more complex and requires
Re: [MBZ] MG's
Thanks, Wonko. The one I had the ride in in 1954 was a TD!! Wilton - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MG's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_(car) Mine was a 1971 MGB. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wasn't there a TD, also? Wilton -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB]
It's reflective of the man's character. Peter On Jun 29, 2008, at 7:52 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote: On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:40:56 -0400 Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think the fact that we wouldn't put it past him to have something to do with 9/11 is pretty damning in itself. No, I think it's reflective of your mind being poisoned by the virulent Bush-haters of the left. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] NeoCons (was 9/11)
on 6/29/08 22:48, Gary Hurst at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think i agree with the swine, but many of our listers have a very different view of vietnam part deux Remember, some of the worst fallout from 'Nam happened years after the war was over and more ugly facts gradually emerged. A friend's father was a special forces officer who did black ops (incursions into Cambodia, etc.) during Nam. Years later, when he learned how badly he and his brother soldiers had been lied to, he renounced his U.S. citizenship and came to Canada. He did not set foot on U.S. soil up until his death and remained unspeakably bitter about the things he had done out of his loyalty to his country, but on the orders of evil liars. He did, however, wear his dogtags every day of his life. Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB]
The combustion of 40,000 gallons of aviation fuel, along with the design of the building and the impact damage did them in. In fact, the buildings preformed quite well, considering they were designed to withstand the impact of a fully loaded 707, a much smaller plane. Should have ben designed for a 747, because they were flying then, but the design was old before construction started (no one wanted them, and in fact they were owned by the Port Authority, a government agency, because no one could figure out a way to make them profitable). Those towers stood for HOURS with a big chunk of the main structural element broken and a major heat event going on inside. Aviation fuel burns hot -- it wasn't just the contents as would be the case in a more normal building fire, although there was plenty of combustible material in there. I don't think any current building would have stood indefinitely under those conditions -- a major failure in the main structural member (the outside skin) and steel softening heat. There were problems -- if the stairwells had been concrete instead of 4 drywall, likely nearly everyone would have gotten out, and the death toll would have been even lower that the 3500 or so it is. Remember, on a busy morning there are usually 50,000 or so people in those two towers, for more than 90% of the typical occupants to have escaped is astonishing. The buildings would still have come down, I don't think you can build one that will withstand that kind of damage, even government owned. Fire was indeed the major cause of the collapse, the last I heard. No steel structure that I know of has ever had an entire plane load of fuel burned inside it AFTER sustaining serious structural damage. You cannot build a building that will NOT collapse once one floor goes, there wouldn't be enough room inside to rent! The fire, along with fairly fragile fire resistant coatings, heated the floor beams and attaching bolts until they sagged and the bolts failed. Eventually the load of collapsed flooring exceeded the strength of the exterior walls, the man structural element in the building, and a catastrophic failure and progressive collapse ensued. Watch the videos of the collapse carefully, and you will see the exterior wall begin to explode outward, then the building come down. Peter On Jun 29, 2008, at 9:39 PM, Steve MacSween wrote: on 6/29/08 18:59, Alex Chamberlain at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the weakness in Occam's razor, isn't it? Other things being equal, the simplest explanation is the best, but what's your definition of simplest? For me it is easier to accept that the president and much of the federal government are totally incompetent than that shadow forces of some kind within the executive branch planned and carried out that kind of deception on such a massive scale. Okay, someone -- preferably someone who believes the conclusions of the 9/11 Commission Report -- explain WTC 7 to me. And forget using the word fire, unless you have a compelling reason to argue why this was the first steel-framed building in history to COLLAPSE from fire damage, and not even an engulfing fire at that. Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB]
Can't argue with that one at all. I expect to be lied to. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 10:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB] i guess after being lied to so much, i am overly suspicious of my leaders. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sure there are those in most any administration whose loyalty is not to Truth, Justice, and the American Way, but to the party/people who they believe will make the country better or stronger or make them more money [take you pick - it's probably a mixture anyway]. Those are the really dangerous ones. The zealots always are, because they are convinced they are doing the equivalent of 'God's work' and any damage done is excusable, be they terrorists with a bomb strapped to themselves or political terrorists who plan political campaigns or military commanders who don't take proper care to keep ordinance out of civilian areas. Would I say that is too much for GWB to have done? Yes, I would. Some misguided political zealots [other than the 9/11 terrorists], possibly. Perhaps I am guilty of some naiveté here, but if so I'll be one of those who lives more happily because of it. I could not begin to counter such as you posit because I am not willing to do what it would take to get that done. For me to live with some basic trust of people is necessary for my life, though it has had a cost. I suppose that like so many problems it comes down to greed. Greed for power, for influence, for position or for financial gain, or even to be 'right' more than others. I doubt we will agree on this stuff Gary, because you can see conspiracy in all the places it could possibly be, and I'm just not willing to work that hard. The curse of being a moderate, I guess, and probably of having spent a lot of years dealing with various local emergencies/crisis that were not any different from normal life except for some individual's hyper-focus on it. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 9:51 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB] would you put it past him? why wouldn't the group that manufactured iraq also be capable of producing wtc? On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:46 PM, Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What he said. I'm pleased the government [at least the military] is owning up to how messed up the war in Iraq has been, but that will never make up for the malignant stupidity that got us there. WTC might have been the best political thing that ever happened to GWB, but no matter how much I dislike his administration I won't put that one on him. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 7:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB] You wrote it is easier to accept that the president and much of the federal government are totally incompetent The idea there was any conspiracy among a dozen or more govt agencies to kill thousands of Americans destroy the WTC and Pentagon is beyond reasonable belief. Those of us who watched in on TV will never forget the sight. I have a hard time believing there was any incompetence. The 1st 2 planes hit within a few minutes of each other not allowing enough time for anyone to do anything. The 3rd plane hit the Pa. farmland shortly later and the 4th was in the crosshairs of fighterplanes for its short flight time remaining. That the President and others who had to make the choice to shoot them down or not shoot them down seems like a normal hesitance hoping against hope we would not be pushed into killing 200+ of our own people by terrorists. I'm not a fan of GWB but some things are just plain silly. Larry T - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 6:59 PM Subject: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB] On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the story is kind of silly. either we conclude that our president and everyone around him, as well as the entire air defense system, is completely inept or retarded or we conclude that it was an inside job. which works best for you? This is the weakness in Occam's razor, isn't it? Other things being equal, the simplest explanation is the best, but what's your definition of simplest? For me it is easier to accept that the president and much of the federal government are totally incompetent than that shadow forces of some kind within the executive branch
Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB]
Isn't there a saying about being judged by the people you choose to surround yourself with? Cheney Rove Wolfowitz Perle Bolton And a small army of neo-con think-tank policy wonks. Mac on 6/29/08 22:56, Peter Frederick at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's reflective of the man's character. Peter On Jun 29, 2008, at 7:52 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote: On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:40:56 -0400 Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think the fact that we wouldn't put it past him to have something to do with 9/11 is pretty damning in itself. No, I think it's reflective of your mind being poisoned by the virulent Bush-haters of the left. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB]
on 6/29/08 23:13, Peter Frederick at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The combustion of 40,000 gallons of aviation fuel, along with the design of the building and the impact damage did them in. I said WTC SEVEN. It was not hit by ANYTHING. Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MG's
I turned 2 Christmas Eve of that same year. And I am a grandfather. :-) On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 10:51 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Wonko. The one I had the ride in in 1954 was a TD!! Wilton - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MG's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_(car)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_%28car%29 Mine was a 1971 MGB. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wasn't there a TD, also? Wilton -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB]
Most of whom were in the other shining example of Republican veracity, the Nixon Administration. Peter On Jun 29, 2008, at 10:15 PM, Steve MacSween wrote: Isn't there a saying about being judged by the people you choose to surround yourself with? Cheney Rove Wolfowitz Perle Bolton And a small army of neo-con think-tank policy wonks. Mac on 6/29/08 22:56, Peter Frederick at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's reflective of the man's character. Peter On Jun 29, 2008, at 7:52 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote: On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:40:56 -0400 Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think the fact that we wouldn't put it past him to have something to do with 9/11 is pretty damning in itself. No, I think it's reflective of your mind being poisoned by the virulent Bush-haters of the left. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT cummins questions
What were those older cummins HP wise, seems Im thinking they were only like 160hp or so. Im guess there are ways to turn that up. Thing I like about it is no computers I assume. Would be nice for a beater truck. Mitch Haley wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: So is it the rotary or online pump. Are you saying if you swap the 94 up timing cover etc you can install the newer pump? Does this give more power or anything like that? 89-93 was rotary. 94-98 was P7100 inline. 98 1/2 went to something else. I don't have a complete list of needed parts to convert an old one to P7100, but it is a desirable conversion. Not a necessary conversion, as you can get 250-300hp out of the rotary, but it the inline is an upgrade. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
