Re: [MBZ] One less rust hole - 240D update

[Steve MacSween]

on 8/2/08 18:06, Curt Raymond at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Now I can weld though, so I cut out all the bad metal which was a surprisingly
> small amount, I couldn't get my hand through the hole. Then commenced to
> welding.
> I'll say that those who say welding is a matter of practice are right just
> about every tack weld I make now is a good one. I do still blow through badly
> if I try to run a bead so mostly I just make a series of tacks very close
> together and then tack over the spaces. It doesn't even look too terrible now.

What sort of welder are you using, Curt?

Mac


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Re: [MBZ] MB Chowdah Fest -September 13

[Wonko the Sane]

That is one butt-ugly car. As folks say in your part of the country, Wicked
Ugly!

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've got a 240D for $800
> http://home.gwi.net/~craymond/mercedes/mercedes.html
> By then it'll probably be a $1000 car though. Once that hood is replaced
> I'm sure it'll be a million times easier to sell..
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 19:38:49 -0500
> From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Chowdah Fest -September 13
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> That sounds like fun, anybody up that way got anything I can buy or free
> I can haul back?
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: From the desk of Lois Quam

[Wonko the Sane]

I started using reusable bags in the late 1980s. Local store gave them away
(practically) and paid you two cents per bag every time you used them.
Twenty years later, they are as good as the day I purchased them.

I love going to the local store, having high school kids bag my groceries,
and saying, "Those bags are older than you are." Get some looks and some
"are you serious? -- that is so cool" comments.

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Good for them. You ever go near a dump? There are BILLIONS of those bags
> floating around every dump. The dumps have to put up great big fences to
> contain the plastic bags and even then they get out.
>
> I HATE 'em. We've got reusable bags and they're way better...
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 18:39:32 -0700
> From: Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: From the desk of Lois Quam
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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> Who would have thought the idiots on the Seattle city council would
> think it a good idea to TAX the grocery bags $0.20 each?  Now we need
> to pay an extra $1.80 for bags we reuse to scoop poop, sack garbage,
> and other wonderful uses?
>
>
> clay
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Grun

[Wonko the Sane]

That would be my refrigerator.

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 9:39 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > ...She is correct. Anything that can be labeled as "green" -- even in the
> > service industry -- will have the advantage in the years to come...
> >
> What about "all natural" and "organic?"
>
> RLE
> >
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: From the desk of Lois Quam

[Curt Raymond]

Good for them. You ever go near a dump? There are BILLIONS of those bags 
floating around every dump. The dumps have to put up great big fences to 
contain the plastic bags and even then they get out.

I HATE 'em. We've got reusable bags and they're way better...

-Curt

Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 18:39:32 -0700
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Who would have thought the idiots on the Seattle city council would  
think it a good idea to TAX the grocery bags $0.20 each?  Now we need  
to pay an extra $1.80 for bags we reuse to scoop poop, sack garbage,  
and other wonderful uses?


clay


  
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Re: [MBZ] Grun

[RELNGSON]

> ...She is correct. Anything that can be labeled as "green" -- even in the
> service industry -- will have the advantage in the years to come...
> 
What about "all natural" and "organic?"

RLE
> 
> 




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Re: [MBZ] MB Chowdah Fest -September 13

[Curt Raymond]

I've got a 240D for $800
http://home.gwi.net/~craymond/mercedes/mercedes.html
By then it'll probably be a $1000 car though. Once that hood is replaced I'm 
sure it'll be a million times easier to sell..

-Curt

Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 19:38:49 -0500
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That sounds like fun, anybody up that way got anything I can buy or free 
I can haul back?



  
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Re: [MBZ] Steering Problem W123

[Barry Stark]

Larry -
I didn't see the original post but if the complaint is that you get more
assist to one side than to the other the problem is usually a broken spring
in the control valve. Replacements are not available from M/B as they are
matched to the box though you might get by with stealing a spring out of
another box and luck out that it is close enough. The control valve is
select fit to the bore so they are also not serviced separately. I had the
box in my SL rebuilt by a fellow that had all the tools and it came out just
like new. The play in these boxes results from too much axial play in the
bearings and the play is set back to new limits in a proper rebuild. You
really need to have the special tools to do those adjustments as you need to
be able to measure the running torques to set things up properly. Since you
have a spare box you might just try and swap out the broken spring, but if
your current box has a lot of play to boot I'd just swap out the whole box
and be done with it.

Barry

> -Original Message e-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LarryT
> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 3:39 PM
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> Subject: [MBZ] Steering Problem W123
>
>
> Howdy -
> Looks like the Control Vallve is causing the steering to be
> powered assisted
> when turning to left only - while when turning to the right it is
> assisted
> as it should be.
>
> After looking at the Work Shop Manual it appears the control
> Valve comes out
> while the rest of the box stays in the car.  I'm doing a bit of
> "assuming"
> here BTW.  The manual showed what they call a "Working Piston" -
> they also
> show a "Control Valve" in another spot.   I'm assuming they are
> both control
> valves.
>
> Anyway, there's pn 39 - a "Slot Nut" which says 200-240Nm under the
> comments - which I take to be the Torque Value.  It's in there
> pretty darned
> tight!  There's also pn 39a called a Hex Nut and under comments it says
> Special Tool # 126 XXX or 123 XXX.
>
> Questions - can the control valve be rebuilt?  is it sold
> seperately?  Found
> a used box for $45. - no guarantees other than it will work - if
> not they'll
> send another -
>
> My current box is a little loose - I dislike tightening the bolt
> as it makes
> it wear much faster and feels funny when centering.  But I have
> snugged it
> up a little to remove some play.  The rubber joint is good btw -
>
> Anyway, can the control valve be removed and replaced with the box in the
> car?
>
> Any other problems I;m overlooking?
>
> Thx - BTW - it's a 78 240D 123.123.12.050680  with approx 300k
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: From the desk of Lois Quam

[Redghost]

Who would have thought the idiots on the Seattle city council would  
think it a good idea to TAX the grocery bags $0.20 each?  Now we need  
to pay an extra $1.80 for bags we reuse to scoop poop, sack garbage,  
and other wonderful uses?


clay

On 2 Aug 2008, at 17:51, Wonko the Sane wrote:

> She is correct. Anything that can be labeled as "green" -- even in the
> service industry -- will have the advantage in the years to come.
>
> Who'd have thought a few years ago there would be demand for reusable
> grocery bags?
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want a cheap 300E?

[Wonko the Sane]

New bumper would be a wife-requirement. I am not making that up, she said
same after looking at the pictures.

Wife and I shall discuss. How much would delivery be?

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> yea, I do.  Had actually not intended to replace it on a cheap beater
> car but if you want it I will do it for you.
>
> Wonko the Sane wrote:
> > I am somewhat interested. Do you have a new (from your parts yard) front
> > bumper you can hang onto it?
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 8:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Here are the pics when I first got it.  The broken headlight is
> >> replaced.  I plan on cleaning it up and reshooting the photos.
> >>
> >> http://www.okiebenz.com/pics/86300E/
> >>
> >> Wonko the Sane wrote:
> >>> Have pictures?
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  yea, thats the special price to list members, you want it?
> 
> 
> 
> >>>
> >> --
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> >>  92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
> >>  87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
> >>  85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
> >>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want a cheap 300E?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yea, I do.  Had actually not intended to replace it on a cheap beater 
car but if you want it I will do it for you.

Wonko the Sane wrote:
> I am somewhat interested. Do you have a new (from your parts yard) front
> bumper you can hang onto it?
> 
> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 8:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 
>> Here are the pics when I first got it.  The broken headlight is
>> replaced.  I plan on cleaning it up and reshooting the photos.
>>
>> http://www.okiebenz.com/pics/86300E/
>>
>> Wonko the Sane wrote:
>>> Have pictures?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> wrote:
>>>
 yea, thats the special price to list members, you want it?



>>>
>> --
>> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>>  92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
>>  87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
>>  85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] Steering Problem W123

[Jim Cathey]

> The manual showed what they call a "Working Piston" - they also show a 
> "Control Valve" in another spot.   I'm assuming they are both control
> valves.

Well, the working piston would be what the high-pressure pushes
against to do the job.  It might also have a valve in it, I dunno.
I've never heard of anybody successfully rebuilding a steering box,
or even trying.  I only assume that we're really talking about a
failing control valve, as opposed to an over-tightened steering
box that's starting to jam up.

It's not that they can't be fixed, I'm sure, it's just that
nobody I know of ever does anything but replace them with a
better one.

I don't think new ones are available anymore, aren't Rusty's
(and everybody else's) factory rebuilds?

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want a cheap 300E?

[Wonko the Sane]

I am somewhat interested. Do you have a new (from your parts yard) front
bumper you can hang onto it?

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 8:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Here are the pics when I first got it.  The broken headlight is
> replaced.  I plan on cleaning it up and reshooting the photos.
>
> http://www.okiebenz.com/pics/86300E/
>
> Wonko the Sane wrote:
> > Have pictures?
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >wrote:
> >
> >> yea, thats the special price to list members, you want it?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> --
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>  87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
>  85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want a cheap 300E?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Here are the pics when I first got it.  The broken headlight is 
replaced.  I plan on cleaning it up and reshooting the photos.

http://www.okiebenz.com/pics/86300E/

Wonko the Sane wrote:
> Have pictures?
> 
> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 
>> yea, thats the special price to list members, you want it?
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: From the desk of Lois Quam

[Wonko the Sane]

She is correct. Anything that can be labeled as "green" -- even in the
service industry -- will have the advantage in the years to come.

Who'd have thought a few years ago there would be demand for reusable
grocery bags?



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[MBZ] OT: From the desk of Lois Quam

[Redghost]

Partner in SWMBA office in MN thinks this is a good way to gather  
some cash in the coming crash.  Not sure how much is going for short  
term, but need some cash for kid college fees coming up, so will be  
taking advantage.  Thought I should share the wealth for those  
willing to cash out a car or two.

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FYI, an interesting email from Lois Quam of Piper Jaffrey.  Lois is a  
very well respected executive and business leader in Minneapolis.   
Especially intriguing is her description of the green economy as “the  
mother of all economic opportunities.”

From: Quam, Lois [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 2:27 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients
Subject: From the desk of Lois Quam


To:  My colleagues, old and new

Late last year, I joined Piper Jaffray and began to work on the green  
economy after a career solely focused on health care.  Since then I  
have learned from leaders in financial services, the environmental  
movement, and executives in traditional and renewable energy  
industries. Everything I have learned has increased my enthusiasm and  
desire to help lead us in a more sustainable direction.

Today, I want to share some themes that have emerged from my  
learning. I also want to thank those of you who have helped me and to  
say how much I look forward to continuing the journey together.

I am also delighted to announce that Doug Cameron, one of the  
nation’s leading scientists in the green economy, is joining me at  
Piper Jaffray.  Doug was previously the Chief Scientist at Khosla  
Ventures and before that at Cargill. At Piper, Doug will work with me  
and the firm’s industry-leading clean technology and renewable energy  
investment banking team in building the firm’s global franchise in  
these areas of great social importance. He will also explore  
alternative investments and other opportunities for the firm.

Here are some of the themes that have emerged over the past few months:

The building of the green economy is “the mother of all economic  
opportunities” creating unprecedented opportunities across every part  
of the global economy.  These opportunities are vast in improved  
energy efficiency, the retooling of existing industries through clean  
technology, renewable energy and carbon negative products and services.

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want a cheap 300E?

[Wonko the Sane]

Have pictures?

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> yea, thats the special price to list members, you want it?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want a cheap 300E?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yea, thats the special price to list members, you want it?

Wonko the Sane wrote:
> Did you say $1500?  That price tag has a familiar ring to it.
> 
> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 
>> Got a cheap 300E Im getting ready to sell.  Its an 86 silver with
>> burgandy tex.  I have been driving it back and forth to work all week
>> and have not had any problems at all.  Its got a little over 200K on it.
>>  Starts great, runs great, no noise or smoke.  Tranny shifts just like
>> it should.  Suspension is great, no noise or vibration.  Goes down the
>> road straight, does not seem to pull or anything.  The AC works, the
>> climate control works, the cruise works, the sunroof works, even the
>> popup works.  All the windows work.  It has a dent in the RF fender
>> which could probably be popped out to look better, or those fenders are
>> easy to replace.  Has a small dent in the front edge of the hood by the
>> drivers side headlight, and also the bumper is cracked in that area.
>> What happened is the PO forgot to put the car in park, and it rolled
>> into a pole.  Broke the headlight, cracked bumper, little dent in the
>> hood.   I have replaced the headlight and have a bumper available if a
>> person was interested. Paint is pretty decent but does have some fading
>> on the hood a little and the roof top.  Not really that bad though.
>> Interior is also in fairly decent shape. Has typical wear spot on the
>> drivers seat.  Power seats also work, even the knobs are not broken off.
>>
>> It has a BRAND NEW fuel pump, replaced the headlight, new drivers front
>> window regulator, new drivers front door check.  Going to get it cleaned
>> up and get some pictures off it this weekend hopefully.  $1500.  If
>> anybody is interested let me know.  Would have posted earlier but gave a
>> list member first choice and cheaper price on it.  Never heard back so
>> now its opened up to the whole list.  Will be putting it on craigs list
>> etc in a few days.
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>>  92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
>>  87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
>>  85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
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  85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] So did Wacko get rid of the quantum?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

hahahahahahahahaha

Wonko the Sane wrote:
> No trip to Iowa is ever wasted money.
> 
> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> I'd better be, otherwise I'll lose all that money from the tickets.
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 

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  85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] MB Chowdah Fest -September 13

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

That sounds like fun, anybody up that way got anything I can buy or free 
I can haul back?

Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:
>  
> 
> The management committee of the New England Davison of Okiebenz Intl. (Curt
> & I) is pleased to announce the First Annual New England Mercedes Benz
> Chowdah Fest to be held Saturday September 13 at Goddard Memorial State Park
> in Warwick RI. We have reserved tables 36-39 with our own parking area for
> Star photo ops.  http://www.riparks.com/goddard.htm   .
> 
>  
> 
> We will have coffee and Dunkin Donuts (What else?) there about 10 AM.  We
> will eat around 1PM.  We will have homemade Chowdah made from  freshly dug
> Narragansett Bay Quahogs, as well as a grill and fire pits for grilling
> animal, vegetable, mineral  etc.  More details to follow once we get an idea
> of how many might attend.
> 
>  
> 
> If you think you might attend please let me know as soon as you can so we
> can finalize planning.  Non-New Englanders are also welcome if you'd like to
> take a nice early fall drive that day from wherever.  (Or if you want to fly
> in, this is not far from T F Greene airport and there is a local car rental
> company that advertises MB convertible rentals.)  Let me know if you have
> questions about logistics.
> 
>  
> 
> (Is Bill Gallagher still on the list?) Tom Schuch-here is the notice we
> promised you.)
> 
>  
> 
> Looking forward to a wicked good time.
> 
> Dwight 
> 
>  
> 
> Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> 
> 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.  
> 
> 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 
> 
> 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
> 
> Wickford, RI
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
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  87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
  85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want a cheap 300E?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I didnt say anything!!

Rick Knoble wrote:
>> silver with 
>> burgandy tex.  
> 
> Doh!
> 
> Rick Knoble 
> '85 300 CD
> '87 190 DT
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  85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want a cheap 300E?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

All US 124's have ABS and airbag.  The color was listed in the original 
email.

Rick Knoble wrote:
>>  Going to get it cleaned 
>> up and get some pictures off it this weekend hopefully.  $1500.  If 
>> anybody is interested let me know.  Would have posted earlier but gave a 
>> list member first choice and cheaper price on it.  Never heard back so 
>> now its opened up to the whole list.  Will be putting it on craigs list 
>> etc in a few days.
> 
> Does it have an airbag and ABS? What color?
> 
> Rick Knoble 
> '85 300 CD
> '87 190 DT
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  87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
  85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] MB Chowdah Fest -September 13

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

But in RI they cost as much as an MBZ because of state's incestuous
purchasing practices. 
Anyway, they still will go klatta  klatta.

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.  
1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 
1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
Wickford, RI

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Frederick W Moir
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 8:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Chowdah Fest -September 13

Hi, Dwight.
Just what I have always wanted, MBZ Roller Skates!
Fred Moir

>
>
>Fred,
>
>Great.  Maybe we can send you home in another RI $500 diesel special.
>
>Dwight


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Re: [MBZ] MB Chowdah Fest -September 13

[Frederick W Moir]

Hi, Dwight.
Just what I have always wanted, MBZ Roller Skates!
Fred Moir

>
>
>Fred,
>
>Great.  Maybe we can send you home in another RI $500 diesel special.
>
>Dwight


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Re: [MBZ] 190D cooling fan clutch

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Yes, I know the fins are crucial-they were falling off the tubes on the 240D
I just sold and it ran warm all the time.
Dwight

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
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1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
Wickford, RI
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D cooling fan clutch

Be sure to make sure the radiator fins are clean.  It's amazing how a little
bit of crud can make such a big difference in the radiator's ability to
cool...

Dan



--- On Sat, 8/2/08, Dwight E. Giles, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D cooling fan clutch
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "'Mercedes Discussion List'"

> Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 4:07 PM
> My 300D 2.5t is in the shop for similar symptoms-it gets hot
> when AC is on
> during hot day and not moving, etc. Needs coolant servicing
> and Indy will
> check fan clutch. 
> 
> Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.  
> 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 
> 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
> Wickford, RI
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 3:58 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List; OK Don
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D cooling fan clutch
> 
> Yeah I had it replaced right when I got the car but I
> haven't had time to
> replace with the proper stuff
> 
> It probably does need a radiator too but it doesn't
> ever overheat when its
> moving, only when sitting still and the fan doesn't
> turn hardly at all...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> --- On Sat, 8/2/08, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D cooling fan clutch
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion
> List" 
> Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 1:28 PM
> 
> Has the engine had the green anti-freeze in it?  With one
> exception
> (the SDL), all of the MBs I've bought that have had the
> green stuff
> have needed new radiators within two years. I've
> replaced thermostats,
> flushed with citric acid, replaced fan clutches, had the
> radiator
> cleaned and "rebuilt", but a new radiator was the
> only thing that
> brought the temps in line. YMMV ---
> 
> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Curt Raymond
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Back a couple years ago I'd noticed that the
> electric clutch on the
> fan on my '85 190D doesn't work. Marshall and
> beaten me up to
> troubleshoot it more before calling the clutch bad but the
> other day when
> adding
> oil I noticed that the PO had siliconed the fan to the
> clutch. I poked
> around
> and when the engine is hot there is DEFINATELY power at the
> clutch. The car
> will
> occasionally run a mite hot when creeping along in heavy
> traffic. Part of it
> is
> needing a coolant flush which will happen once I get the
> Quantum but in the
> mean
> time:
> > Has anybody ever done the electric fan clutch?
> Rusty's site says $222.
> Are used ones available?
> > I'd like to get this all sorted before my wife
> starts driving the car
> full time.
> >
> > -Curt
> 
> 
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> '97 Ply
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> 
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Re: [MBZ] MB Chowdah Fest -September 13

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

 

Fred,

Great.  Maybe we can send you home in another RI $500 diesel special.

Dwight

 

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.

Wickford RI 02852

-Original Message-

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Frederick W Moir

Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 4:53 PM

To: Mercedes Discussion List

Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Chowdah Fest -September 13

 

At 03:55 PM 8/2/2008, you wrote:

 

Dwight/Curt.

 

Count me in.

Fred Moir

Lynn MA

 

 

 

>The management committee of the New England Davison of Okiebenz Intl. (Curt

>& I) is pleased to announce the First Annual New England Mercedes Benz

>Chowdah Fest to be held Saturday September 13 at Goddard Memorial State
Park

>in Warwick RI. We have reserved tables 36-39 with our own parking area for

>Star photo ops.  http://www.riparks.com/goddard.htm   .

 

 

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Re: [MBZ] Donating a vehicle

[MG]

At $1000 I could talk myself into taking a chance on it even with the 
rust, no AC and a leaky windshield.

Manfred



Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 09:40:06 -0500
From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Donating a vehicle



Remember, donating to a non-profit only means that you are not paying
  income
tax on the value of the item. In other words, you aren't getting the
  $5000
back, you are just not paying taxes on the $5000 and at 17%, that's
  only
$850.00. You'd be cash ahead selling the car for $1000.

I'd be interested but I'm probably too far away.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924

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Re: [MBZ] So did Wacko get rid of the quantum?

[Curt Raymond]

LOL, it'd be difficult getting home without a car...

Ames, IA made Mother Earth News' list of great places to live you've never 
heard of. So did Bethel, Maine... Pretty near everybody in New England knows 
where Bethel is, thats where the skiing is...

-Curt

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 7:10 PM

No trip to Iowa is ever wasted money. 

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I'd better be, otherwise I'll lose all that money from the tickets.



-Curt






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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want a cheap 300E?

[Wonko the Sane]

Did you say $1500?  That price tag has a familiar ring to it.

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Got a cheap 300E Im getting ready to sell.  Its an 86 silver with
> burgandy tex.  I have been driving it back and forth to work all week
> and have not had any problems at all.  Its got a little over 200K on it.
>  Starts great, runs great, no noise or smoke.  Tranny shifts just like
> it should.  Suspension is great, no noise or vibration.  Goes down the
> road straight, does not seem to pull or anything.  The AC works, the
> climate control works, the cruise works, the sunroof works, even the
> popup works.  All the windows work.  It has a dent in the RF fender
> which could probably be popped out to look better, or those fenders are
> easy to replace.  Has a small dent in the front edge of the hood by the
> drivers side headlight, and also the bumper is cracked in that area.
> What happened is the PO forgot to put the car in park, and it rolled
> into a pole.  Broke the headlight, cracked bumper, little dent in the
> hood.   I have replaced the headlight and have a bumper available if a
> person was interested. Paint is pretty decent but does have some fading
> on the hood a little and the roof top.  Not really that bad though.
> Interior is also in fairly decent shape. Has typical wear spot on the
> drivers seat.  Power seats also work, even the knobs are not broken off.
>
> It has a BRAND NEW fuel pump, replaced the headlight, new drivers front
> window regulator, new drivers front door check.  Going to get it cleaned
> up and get some pictures off it this weekend hopefully.  $1500.  If
> anybody is interested let me know.  Would have posted earlier but gave a
> list member first choice and cheaper price on it.  Never heard back so
> now its opened up to the whole list.  Will be putting it on craigs list
> etc in a few days.
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>  87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
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>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] So did Wacko get rid of the quantum?

[Wonko the Sane]

No trip to Iowa is ever wasted money.

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'd better be, otherwise I'll lose all that money from the tickets.
>
> -Curt
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: tool booty

[Mitch Haley]

Peter T. Arnold wrote:
> Spent our Honeymoon at Portage Lake, which is outside of Presque Isle.
> Ran out of gas in my new '66 VW at about 9:00.  Friendly cop called
> the fellow who owned the General Store, he came down and pumped me
> full, for $2.00 or so.

That's when a Peace Officer's job was to Protect And Serve. You actually felt 
like you got a return on your tax dollars when you paid those guys. The Peace 
Officers are a dying breed, and it seems like the Law Enforcement Officer's job 
is to Threaten And Intimidate While Pretending To Be A Soldier.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Donating a vehicle

[Mitch Haley]

tom tomscat wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
> I hope the info was useful for you.  The car donation program has been a lot 
> of fun for us,
> not to mention financially helpful to the program:  New England Adolescent 
> Treatment Center, Inc. (NEAT)
> Groton CT.

Andrew, if you go for that you might also want to claim charitable mileage for 
the one way trip with the TD and a two way trip with whatever you drive up to 
bring the TD driver home with. Charitable mileage deduction is much less than 
business mileage however.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Obama Quote while in Springfield, Missouri yesterday

[Mitch Haley]

harry watkins wrote:
> Watch Fox News, fair and balanced.
> 

Doesn't that Sean Hannity douche bag work for Fox?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Donating a vehicle

[Mitch Haley]

tom tomscat wrote:
> I have written this rather hurriedly in between Saturday chores, so please 
> contact your accountant if you have any questions about any of the above 
> in case I have overlooked something.
> 

I'm too lazy to dig up my Master Tax Guide, but that sounded about right to me.
The other Tom seemed to be thinking about the old rules, which unfortunately 
got 
abused by too many taxpayers.

Mitch.

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[MBZ] Steering Problem W123

[LarryT]

Howdy -
Looks like the Control Vallve is causing the steering to be powered assisted 
when turning to left only - while when turning to the right it is assisted 
as it should be.

After looking at the Work Shop Manual it appears the control Valve comes out 
while the rest of the box stays in the car.  I'm doing a bit of "assuming" 
here BTW.  The manual showed what they call a "Working Piston" - they also 
show a "Control Valve" in another spot.   I'm assuming they are both control 
valves.

Anyway, there's pn 39 - a "Slot Nut" which says 200-240Nm under the 
comments - which I take to be the Torque Value.  It's in there pretty darned 
tight!  There's also pn 39a called a Hex Nut and under comments it says 
Special Tool # 126 XXX or 123 XXX.

Questions - can the control valve be rebuilt?  is it sold seperately?  Found 
a used box for $45. - no guarantees other than it will work - if not they'll 
send another -

My current box is a little loose - I dislike tightening the bolt as it makes 
it wear much faster and feels funny when centering.  But I have snugged it 
up a little to remove some play.  The rubber joint is good btw -

Anyway, can the control valve be removed and replaced with the box in the 
car?

Any other problems I;m overlooking?

Thx - BTW - it's a 78 240D 123.123.12.050680  with approx 300k

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Re: [MBZ] 240 hood - strange spots

[Wilton Strickland]

'In three different places on paint that LOOKED bright, shiny and in
excellent condition.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 hood - strange spots


> > I thought at the time that it was steel.  'Began to wonder recently if
> > it
> > may have been AL.
>
> Some SL(C) hoods were aluminum, as were some SEC hoods.  Mostly not,
> I would think.  Certainly not on a 240D.  I'm thinking your sap found
> some preexisting pinholes in the paint and migrated through.  And
> the sap's hygroscopic nature also brought in water which did the
> dirty deed.
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240 hood - strange spots

[Wilton Strickland]

80 240D hood.

Wilton

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> >I thought at the time that it was steel.  'Began to wonder recently if it
> > may have been AL.
> >
> > Wilton
>
> 240D hood or W140 hood?
> I think the W126 SEC had some aluminum panels.
>
> Rick Knoble
> '85 300 CD
> '87 190 DT
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Re: [MBZ] Donating a vehicle

[tom tomscat]

Hi Andrew,
I hope the info was useful for you.  The car donation program has been a lot of 
fun for us,
not to mention financially helpful to the program:  New England Adolescent 
Treatment Center, Inc. (NEAT)
Groton CT.  We are very grateful to those generous folks who have donated to 
us.  The program provides 
many benefits:  it rids the community of many junk cars; it helps recycle cars; 
it helps our kids learn some 
life skills, along with perhaps piquing their interest in a car hobby or 
vocation;  it provides a community service 
helping the less fortunate obtain transportation for work, etc; and it provides 
a tax benefit to those 
who donate.  win-win-win. My son always reminds me that... if we can teach a 
kid to fix a car in this automotive oriented society...
he'll never starve.  He can go anywhere and find a job.

Tom Schuch
Executive Director, NEAT
SE CT
1975 300D W115

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 15:38:38 -0400
From: "andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Donating a vehicle
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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Wow - great information!!  Thanks to all, and specially Tom.  What is the
name of your organization?
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:59 PM, tom tomscat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
>
> Hi,
>
> I run a a 501 (c) 3 charitable organization, and we have been operating a
> car donation fund raising program for the past couple of years.  My agency
> is a small residential facility for adolescent males in Ct.  We have
> probably processed over 200 cars in that time.
>
> The IRS rules changed in January 2005. A donor can deduct up to $500 (under
> Schedule A Itemized Deductions--- if you don't itemize, check with your
> accountant to see if you can claim a deduction) for a donated vehicle with
> an acknowledgement from the donee noting the donation and the proceeds
> realized.
>
> In order to deduct MORE than $500, certain conditions must be met:
>
> 1) the charity actually realizes proceeds of more than $500 from the sale
> of the vehicle, after any expenses incurred in fixing it up before sale.  In
> this case, the charity is required to send a completed Form 1098-C to the
> donor, within a month, stating the proceeds of the sale, less any expenses
> incurred.  That number is the amount that the donor can deduct on Schedule
> A.  The charity is also required to send a copy of this Form 1098-C to the
> IRS, listing the donor and the donor's Social Security or Tax ID.
>
> OR
>
> 2) the charity uses the vehicle in its 'agency mission".  In other words,
> the vehicle is NOT resold, or is resold at below market value to a needy
> family, for example.  Again the charity is required to complete a 1098-C, as
> above, and send it to both the donor and the IRS.  The charity states the
> disposition of the vehicle, and lists the Kelley Blue Book PRIVATE PARTY
> VALUE of the vehicle at the time of the disposition. That number is the
> amount that the donee may deduct on Schedule A.  The charity must follow
> certain guidelines to meet the IRS criteria for 'agency mission'.
>
> In my case, we have done all of the above over the past couple of years
> with our donated vehicles.  Many of the donations are not servicable any
> more, and we arrange for those to go directly to auction, where they are
> mostly snapped up by salvage yards and parts dealers.  We have taken several
> vehicles into 'agency mission service':  e.g., right now I have a 1998 Jeep
> Cherokee Classic in great shape that we use on a daily basis at the agency.
>  I have a number of servicable donated vehicles for sale currrently, priced
> from as little as $150 to as much as $4200.  I have had a several Mercedes
> donated, including a 1984 230CE Euro project car, and a couple of W123s.
>
> Since I have a house full of adolescent males, including some budding
> gearheads, we are also beginning to use the donated vehicles as part of an
>  incentive program:  youths can work toward earning ownership of a vehicle
> upon graduation, and along the way they can learn about it and work on it.
>  Since this is incorporated into our life skills  development program, it
> meets the criteria for 'agency mission'.  A true win-win-win for the donor,
> the donee and the kids.  Needless to say, it has generated considerable
> excitement among our population of teenage males!
>
> Additionally, we are using one donated vehicle (at present) in a community
> service project for the agency.  We have a 1991 Volvo 240 wagon that our
> kids will make some minor repairs to, clean it up, etc, and then we, in
> turn, wiil seek out a needy local family and give the car to them.  It's a
> way for our kids to learn to give back to those less fortunate.  Kind of a
> "Habitat for Humanity' with cars.  This too has generated considerable
> interest among the youths in the program, as well as allowing the donor to
> realize the full allowable IRS deduction.
>
> We find t

[MBZ] One less rust hole - 240D update

[Curt Raymond]

The '83 240D we call Hammie had a hole through the trunk floor on the 
passenger's side. There had been a matching one on the left side years ago I'd 
fiberglassed into shape. 5 years later and the fiberglass still looks good.
Now I can weld though, so I cut out all the bad metal which was a surprisingly 
small amount, I couldn't get my hand through the hole. Then commenced to 
welding.
I'll say that those who say welding is a matter of practice are right just 
about every tack weld I make now is a good one. I do still blow through badly 
if I try to run a bead so mostly I just make a series of tacks very close 
together and then tack over the spaces. It doesn't even look too terrible now.

This was a much worse job than my 190D since part of the wheel arch had rotted 
too so I had to create part of that lip. I did it by essentially making a box 
that I then welded into place. Its not great but once I skim it with bondo 
it'll blend in pretty well. I've got some special POR-15 bondo that should do 
the job nicely. I was racing rain today so I got it welded up, slapped on some 
paint so it wouldn't rust and left it.

While I was at it I took time to lubricate the throttle linkages under the 
hood. I have no idea what Devin did to them but they looked as if somebody had 
poured salt water over just that area... I took all the ball joints apart and 
shot some SeaFoam Deep Creep into the sockets. That stuff is lousy penetrant 
but seems to be a decent lubricating oil. I also lubed all the pivot points 
which all in all seems to have fixed the issue.

So now with the exception of freeing up the parking brake the car is basically 
roadworthy. It still looks like hell with the holey hood and many rust spots 
but we're getting there

-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] 190D cooling fan clutch

[LWB250]

Be sure to make sure the radiator fins are clean.  It's amazing how a little 
bit of crud can make such a big difference in the radiator's ability to cool...

Dan



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> From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D cooling fan clutch
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 4:07 PM
> My 300D 2.5t is in the shop for similar symptoms-it gets hot
> when AC is on
> during hot day and not moving, etc. Needs coolant servicing
> and Indy will
> check fan clutch. 
> 
> Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.  
> 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 
> 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
> Wickford, RI
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 3:58 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List; OK Don
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D cooling fan clutch
> 
> Yeah I had it replaced right when I got the car but I
> haven't had time to
> replace with the proper stuff
> 
> It probably does need a radiator too but it doesn't
> ever overheat when its
> moving, only when sitting still and the fan doesn't
> turn hardly at all...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> --- On Sat, 8/2/08, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D cooling fan clutch
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion
> List" 
> Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 1:28 PM
> 
> Has the engine had the green anti-freeze in it?  With one
> exception
> (the SDL), all of the MBs I've bought that have had the
> green stuff
> have needed new radiators within two years. I've
> replaced thermostats,
> flushed with citric acid, replaced fan clutches, had the
> radiator
> cleaned and "rebuilt", but a new radiator was the
> only thing that
> brought the temps in line. YMMV ---
> 
> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Curt Raymond
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Back a couple years ago I'd noticed that the
> electric clutch on the
> fan on my '85 190D doesn't work. Marshall and
> beaten me up to
> troubleshoot it more before calling the clutch bad but the
> other day when
> adding
> oil I noticed that the PO had siliconed the fan to the
> clutch. I poked
> around
> and when the engine is hot there is DEFINATELY power at the
> clutch. The car
> will
> occasionally run a mite hot when creeping along in heavy
> traffic. Part of it
> is
> needing a coolant flush which will happen once I get the
> Quantum but in the
> mean
> time:
> > Has anybody ever done the electric fan clutch?
> Rusty's site says $222.
> Are used ones available?
> > I'd like to get this all sorted before my wife
> starts driving the car
> full time.
> >
> > -Curt
> 
> 
> -- 
> OK Don, KD5NRO
> Norman, OK
> "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and
> statistics."
> -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
> '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81
> 240D (Gramps),
> '97 Ply
> Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go)
> 
> 
> 
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[MBZ] OT: electric impact wrench?

[Curt Raymond]

Anybody got a corded 120v impact wrench? I've yet to get a compressor yet for 
my 5 year anniversry at work they've given me a $100 Amazon gift card.
For just over $100 I see several options for electric impact wrenches. I'm 
thinking one would be handy. They seem to come from about 240 lb/ft to about 
350. That seems to be about the same as a 3/8" air impact wrench is capable of 
although I see the 1/2" air guns go much higher...

-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] MB Chowdah Fest -September 13

[Peter T . Arnold]

Windsor, North of Hartford.  We did live in Johnston for 2 years, I
wasn't real happy in R.I..

Pete

On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 16:28:20 -0400, you wrote:

>Peter,
>Was that the one that Curt organized but it rained hard?  Doesn't
>Mercedesshopforum have a picnic in CT as well?   Where are you in CT?
>Dwight  
>

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1987 300SDL  286 KMI  Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio
1995 F-250 PowerChoke  199Kmi
1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen
Wife has a Cruizer, 89 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is!

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Re: [MBZ] So did Wacko get rid of the quantum?

[Curt Raymond]

I'd better be, otherwise I'll lose all that money from the tickets.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 19:40:21 +0300
From: "Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] So did Wacko get rid of the quantum?
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Last I heard, Curt was flying in for it in a couple of weeks.

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Auction today has several small pickups, looks like a ranger, S10, and a
> few small import models.
> --
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>  92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
>  87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
>  85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] MB Chowdah Fest -September 13

[Frederick W Moir]

At 03:55 PM 8/2/2008, you wrote:

Dwight/Curt.

Count me in.
Fred Moir
Lynn MA



>The management committee of the New England Davison of Okiebenz Intl. (Curt
>& I) is pleased to announce the First Annual New England Mercedes Benz
>Chowdah Fest to be held Saturday September 13 at Goddard Memorial State Park
>in Warwick RI. We have reserved tables 36-39 with our own parking area for
>Star photo ops.  http://www.riparks.com/goddard.htm   .


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Re: [MBZ] OT: tool booty

[Curt Raymond]

Portage lake is a good 45 minutes north of Presque Isle. Beautiful road coming 
down to the lake. Theres an old dance hall and restaurant "Deans" which is sort 
of the anchor for the whole town and has been forever.

Most of the time going up there involves driving woods roads that are owned by 
the paper company. I took my wife up one time to visit a friend who owned camps 
on Eagle Lake. We had my old '88 GMC 1500 pickup. We came around a blind corner 
and a log truck was coming the other way haulin about 100,000# and goin to beat 
hell. Its his road so I put the old GMC into the bushes while flailing around 
to find the shifter to get into 4x4 before we were stuck. We came out of the 
bushes with the mud just flyin everywhere. My wife HATES the woods road and 
that road (the High Meadow road) in particular now.

Anyway, I'm from Caribou, the next town (well city really) north of Presque 
Isle.

-Curt

--- On Sat, 8/2/08, Peter T. Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Peter T. Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: tool booty
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 4:11 PM

Spent our Honeymoon at Portage Lake, which is outside of Presque Isle.
Ran out of gas in my new '66 VW at about 9:00.  Friendly cop called
the fellow who owned the General Store, he came down and pumped me
full, for $2.00 or so.


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On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 05:13:49 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>Presque Isle, Maine sported one of the first nuclear missle sites capable
of shooting a "Snark" at the USSR. It has a university too. Definately
the middle of nowhere though...
>
>-Curt
>
>Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 19:36:49 -0700
>From: Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: tool booty
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
>> How can I partake in the raiding of this booty?
>
>What are you looking for?  Mind you the deals aren't
>stellar, it's just that at half the asking price they're
>now somewhat reasonable.
>
>> Drive out to the middle of nowhere, WA
>
>Spokane is not usually considered (by the rational) as the
>'middle of nowhere'.  I wouldn't think that anyplace that
>sported multiple universities, a major airport, nuclear
>weaponry, and a good symphony would be considered that.
>Presidents, etc., have occasionally visited on campaign
>stops.  I think Her (would-be-)Royal Clinton was the last
>one such.
>
>The nukes probably went away with the B-52's.  Maybe that
>took us off the map, so to speak?
>
>I wouldn't, however, make the trip just to visit one
>going-out-of-business pawn shop!
>
>-- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] MB Chowdah Fest -September 13

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Peter,
Was that the one that Curt organized but it rained hard?  Doesn't
Mercedesshopforum have a picnic in CT as well?   Where are you in CT?
Dwight  

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Peter T. Arnold
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 4:16 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Chowdah Fest -September 13

I beg to differ.  I was at the 1st annual ChowdaFest about 4 years
ago.


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On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 15:55:42 -0400, you wrote:

> 
>
>The management committee of the New England Davison of Okiebenz Intl. (Curt
>& I) is pleased to announce the First Annual New England Mercedes Benz
>Chowdah Fest to be held Saturday September 13 at Goddard Memorial State
Park
>in Warwick RI. We have reserved tables 36-39 with our own parking area for
>Star photo ops.  http://www.riparks.com/goddard.htm   .
>
> 
>
>We will have coffee and Dunkin Donuts (What else?) there about 10 AM.  We
>will eat around 1PM.  We will have homemade Chowdah made from  freshly dug
>Narragansett Bay Quahogs, as well as a grill and fire pits for grilling
>animal, vegetable, mineral  etc.  More details to follow once we get an
idea
>of how many might attend.
>
> 
>
>If you think you might attend please let me know as soon as you can so we
>can finalize planning.  Non-New Englanders are also welcome if you'd like
to
>take a nice early fall drive that day from wherever.  (Or if you want to
fly
>in, this is not far from T F Greene airport and there is a local car rental
>company that advertises MB convertible rentals.)  Let me know if you have
>questions about logistics.
>
> 
>
>(Is Bill Gallagher still on the list?) Tom Schuch-here is the notice we
>promised you.)
>
> 
>
>Looking forward to a wicked good time.
>
>Dwight 
>
> 
>
>Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
>
>1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.  
>
>1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 
>
>1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
>
>Wickford, RI
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
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Re: [MBZ] MB Chowdah Fest -September 13

[Peter T . Arnold]

I beg to differ.  I was at the 1st annual ChowdaFest about 4 years
ago.


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1987 300SDL  286 KMI  Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio
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On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 15:55:42 -0400, you wrote:

> 
>
>The management committee of the New England Davison of Okiebenz Intl. (Curt
>& I) is pleased to announce the First Annual New England Mercedes Benz
>Chowdah Fest to be held Saturday September 13 at Goddard Memorial State Park
>in Warwick RI. We have reserved tables 36-39 with our own parking area for
>Star photo ops.  http://www.riparks.com/goddard.htm   .
>
> 
>
>We will have coffee and Dunkin Donuts (What else?) there about 10 AM.  We
>will eat around 1PM.  We will have homemade Chowdah made from  freshly dug
>Narragansett Bay Quahogs, as well as a grill and fire pits for grilling
>animal, vegetable, mineral  etc.  More details to follow once we get an idea
>of how many might attend.
>
> 
>
>If you think you might attend please let me know as soon as you can so we
>can finalize planning.  Non-New Englanders are also welcome if you'd like to
>take a nice early fall drive that day from wherever.  (Or if you want to fly
>in, this is not far from T F Greene airport and there is a local car rental
>company that advertises MB convertible rentals.)  Let me know if you have
>questions about logistics.
>
> 
>
>(Is Bill Gallagher still on the list?) Tom Schuch-here is the notice we
>promised you.)
>
> 
>
>Looking forward to a wicked good time.
>
>Dwight 
>
> 
>
>Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
>
>1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.  
>
>1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 
>
>1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
>
>Wickford, RI
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: tool booty

[Peter T . Arnold]

Spent our Honeymoon at Portage Lake, which is outside of Presque Isle.
Ran out of gas in my new '66 VW at about 9:00.  Friendly cop called
the fellow who owned the General Store, he came down and pumped me
full, for $2.00 or so.


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On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 05:13:49 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>Presque Isle, Maine sported one of the first nuclear missle sites capable of 
>shooting a "Snark" at the USSR. It has a university too. Definately the middle 
>of nowhere though...
>
>-Curt
>
>Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 19:36:49 -0700
>From: Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: tool booty
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
>> How can I partake in the raiding of this booty?
>
>What are you looking for?  Mind you the deals aren't
>stellar, it's just that at half the asking price they're
>now somewhat reasonable.
>
>> Drive out to the middle of nowhere, WA
>
>Spokane is not usually considered (by the rational) as the
>'middle of nowhere'.  I wouldn't think that anyplace that
>sported multiple universities, a major airport, nuclear
>weaponry, and a good symphony would be considered that.
>Presidents, etc., have occasionally visited on campaign
>stops.  I think Her (would-be-)Royal Clinton was the last
>one such.
>
>The nukes probably went away with the B-52's.  Maybe that
>took us off the map, so to speak?
>
>I wouldn't, however, make the trip just to visit one
>going-out-of-business pawn shop!
>
>-- Jim
>
>
>  
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Re: [MBZ] 190D cooling fan clutch

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

My 300D 2.5t is in the shop for similar symptoms-it gets hot when AC is on
during hot day and not moving, etc. Needs coolant servicing and Indy will
check fan clutch. 

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.  
1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 
1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
Wickford, RI

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 3:58 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List; OK Don
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D cooling fan clutch

Yeah I had it replaced right when I got the car but I haven't had time to
replace with the proper stuff

It probably does need a radiator too but it doesn't ever overheat when its
moving, only when sitting still and the fan doesn't turn hardly at all...

-Curt

--- On Sat, 8/2/08, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D cooling fan clutch
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 1:28 PM

Has the engine had the green anti-freeze in it?  With one exception
(the SDL), all of the MBs I've bought that have had the green stuff
have needed new radiators within two years. I've replaced thermostats,
flushed with citric acid, replaced fan clutches, had the radiator
cleaned and "rebuilt", but a new radiator was the only thing that
brought the temps in line. YMMV ---

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Back a couple years ago I'd noticed that the electric clutch on the
fan on my '85 190D doesn't work. Marshall and beaten me up to
troubleshoot it more before calling the clutch bad but the other day when
adding
oil I noticed that the PO had siliconed the fan to the clutch. I poked
around
and when the engine is hot there is DEFINATELY power at the clutch. The car
will
occasionally run a mite hot when creeping along in heavy traffic. Part of it
is
needing a coolant flush which will happen once I get the Quantum but in the
mean
time:
> Has anybody ever done the electric fan clutch? Rusty's site says $222.
Are used ones available?
> I'd like to get this all sorted before my wife starts driving the car
full time.
>
> -Curt


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Re: [MBZ] No hood for me today

[Curt Raymond]

The junkyard? No. I'd sent an email offering $80 and I'd pick up the hood but 
they never responded, I didn't really expect them to.

My plan was to go there and waggle $60 under his nose and see if he'd bite. 
I'll try again Friday.

-Curt


--- On Sat, 8/2/08, Dwight E. Giles, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [MBZ] No hood for me today
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 3:14 PM

Curt,
Did you dicker with them? How much?

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 11:41 AM
To: Diesel List
Subject: [MBZ] No hood for me today

The junkyard that has a 240D hood is apparently "by appointment only"
on
Saturdays... G... So fortunately I think I can get out of work a little
early on Friday, I'd love to get a new hood on this car sooner than later.

I did make a stop at my favorite store "Stuff and Things" and pick up
some
new cutting wheels and a couple flapper sanding discs so I can start in on
the rust on the car. I also bought a 3/8" u-joint socket so I can finally
get the parking brake arm bolted all the way back on.

-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] 190D cooling fan clutch

[Curt Raymond]

Yeah I had it replaced right when I got the car but I haven't had time to 
replace with the proper stuff

It probably does need a radiator too but it doesn't ever overheat when its 
moving, only when sitting still and the fan doesn't turn hardly at all...

-Curt

--- On Sat, 8/2/08, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D cooling fan clutch
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 1:28 PM

Has the engine had the green anti-freeze in it?  With one exception
(the SDL), all of the MBs I've bought that have had the green stuff
have needed new radiators within two years. I've replaced thermostats,
flushed with citric acid, replaced fan clutches, had the radiator
cleaned and "rebuilt", but a new radiator was the only thing that
brought the temps in line. YMMV ---

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Back a couple years ago I'd noticed that the electric clutch on the
fan on my '85 190D doesn't work. Marshall and beaten me up to
troubleshoot it more before calling the clutch bad but the other day when adding
oil I noticed that the PO had siliconed the fan to the clutch. I poked around
and when the engine is hot there is DEFINATELY power at the clutch. The car will
occasionally run a mite hot when creeping along in heavy traffic. Part of it is
needing a coolant flush which will happen once I get the Quantum but in the mean
time:
> Has anybody ever done the electric fan clutch? Rusty's site says $222.
Are used ones available?
> I'd like to get this all sorted before my wife starts driving the car
full time.
>
> -Curt


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Re: [MBZ] 240 hood - strange spots

[Chuck Landenberger]

My '80 300SD had aluminum hood and trunk lid..  If replacement was  
necessary, only steel ones were imported to US.

Chuck

On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:31 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

>> I thought at the time that it was steel.  'Began to wonder  
>> recently if
>> it
>> may have been AL.
>
> Some SL(C) hoods were aluminum, as were some SEC hoods.  Mostly not,
> I would think.  Certainly not on a 240D.  I'm thinking your sap found
> some preexisting pinholes in the paint and migrated through.  And
> the sap's hygroscopic nature also brought in water which did the
> dirty deed.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Obama Quote while in Springfield, Missouri yesterday

[Chuck Landenberger]

I don't jest and I agree with Harry about Fox News..

Fair and balanced.

Chuck
Phoenix

On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:33 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

> Surely you jest.
>
> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:02 PM, harry watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> Allan
>>
>> It won't be that way on CNN when Senator Obama gets elected.  What  
>> you are
>> seeing now is President Bush hating news, everything is bad and  
>> wrong.
>>  When
>> President Obama is in power, everything will be good and  
>> wonderful, if its
>> not, then, its the fault of someone else.
>>
>> Watch Fox News, fair and balanced.
>>
>> Harry
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 11:14 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Obama Quote while in Springfield, Missouri  
>> yesterday
>>
>>
>>> "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>>
 Seems like we started hearing about crime a lot more since then -
 maybe it was 24 hr news?  maybe not - but it seemed like kids
 weren't safe anymore so the parents had to drive them.  I guess it
 was likely a combination of things ---but I think we are worse off
 then before -

 Thoughts?
>>>
>>> I think you've hit on something with the news coverage.  Ever sit  
>>> and
>>> watch CNN, or the others for a couple of hours?  You end up feeling
>>> anxious and worried.  They report 95% "bad news" all the time.
>>>
>>> I stopped watching all that crap about 2 years ago.  I was something
>>> of a news junkie before then.  Overall I think I have a much better
>>> outlook on life.  Happy ignorance?  Maybe.  My mom still has CNN on
>>> almost 24x7 and she worries about everything.
>>>
>>> Allan
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[MBZ] MB Chowdah Fest -September 13

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

 

The management committee of the New England Davison of Okiebenz Intl. (Curt
& I) is pleased to announce the First Annual New England Mercedes Benz
Chowdah Fest to be held Saturday September 13 at Goddard Memorial State Park
in Warwick RI. We have reserved tables 36-39 with our own parking area for
Star photo ops.  http://www.riparks.com/goddard.htm   .

 

We will have coffee and Dunkin Donuts (What else?) there about 10 AM.  We
will eat around 1PM.  We will have homemade Chowdah made from  freshly dug
Narragansett Bay Quahogs, as well as a grill and fire pits for grilling
animal, vegetable, mineral  etc.  More details to follow once we get an idea
of how many might attend.

 

If you think you might attend please let me know as soon as you can so we
can finalize planning.  Non-New Englanders are also welcome if you'd like to
take a nice early fall drive that day from wherever.  (Or if you want to fly
in, this is not far from T F Greene airport and there is a local car rental
company that advertises MB convertible rentals.)  Let me know if you have
questions about logistics.

 

(Is Bill Gallagher still on the list?) Tom Schuch-here is the notice we
promised you.)

 

Looking forward to a wicked good time.

Dwight 

 

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.

1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.  

1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 

1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.

Wickford, RI

 

 

 

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Re: [MBZ] Donating a vehicle

[andrew strasfogel]

Wow - great information!!  Thanks to all, and specially Tom.  What is the
name of your organization?
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:59 PM, tom tomscat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I run a a 501 (c) 3 charitable organization, and we have been operating a
> car donation fund raising program for the past couple of years.  My agency
> is a small residential facility for adolescent males in Ct.  We have
> probably processed over 200 cars in that time.
>
> The IRS rules changed in January 2005. A donor can deduct up to $500 (under
> Schedule A Itemized Deductions--- if you don't itemize, check with your
> accountant to see if you can claim a deduction) for a donated vehicle with
> an acknowledgement from the donee noting the donation and the proceeds
> realized.
>
> In order to deduct MORE than $500, certain conditions must be met:
>
> 1) the charity actually realizes proceeds of more than $500 from the sale
> of the vehicle, after any expenses incurred in fixing it up before sale.  In
> this case, the charity is required to send a completed Form 1098-C to the
> donor, within a month, stating the proceeds of the sale, less any expenses
> incurred.  That number is the amount that the donor can deduct on Schedule
> A.  The charity is also required to send a copy of this Form 1098-C to the
> IRS, listing the donor and the donor's Social Security or Tax ID.
>
> OR
>
> 2) the charity uses the vehicle in its 'agency mission".  In other words,
> the vehicle is NOT resold, or is resold at below market value to a needy
> family, for example.  Again the charity is required to complete a 1098-C, as
> above, and send it to both the donor and the IRS.  The charity states the
> disposition of the vehicle, and lists the Kelley Blue Book PRIVATE PARTY
> VALUE of the vehicle at the time of the disposition. That number is the
> amount that the donee may deduct on Schedule A.  The charity must follow
> certain guidelines to meet the IRS criteria for 'agency mission'.
>
> In my case, we have done all of the above over the past couple of years
> with our donated vehicles.  Many of the donations are not servicable any
> more, and we arrange for those to go directly to auction, where they are
> mostly snapped up by salvage yards and parts dealers.  We have taken several
> vehicles into 'agency mission service':  e.g., right now I have a 1998 Jeep
> Cherokee Classic in great shape that we use on a daily basis at the agency.
>  I have a number of servicable donated vehicles for sale currrently, priced
> from as little as $150 to as much as $4200.  I have had a several Mercedes
> donated, including a 1984 230CE Euro project car, and a couple of W123s.
>
> Since I have a house full of adolescent males, including some budding
> gearheads, we are also beginning to use the donated vehicles as part of an
>  incentive program:  youths can work toward earning ownership of a vehicle
> upon graduation, and along the way they can learn about it and work on it.
>  Since this is incorporated into our life skills  development program, it
> meets the criteria for 'agency mission'.  A true win-win-win for the donor,
> the donee and the kids.  Needless to say, it has generated considerable
> excitement among our population of teenage males!
>
> Additionally, we are using one donated vehicle (at present) in a community
> service project for the agency.  We have a 1991 Volvo 240 wagon that our
> kids will make some minor repairs to, clean it up, etc, and then we, in
> turn, wiil seek out a needy local family and give the car to them.  It's a
> way for our kids to learn to give back to those less fortunate.  Kind of a
> "Habitat for Humanity' with cars.  This too has generated considerable
> interest among the youths in the program, as well as allowing the donor to
> realize the full allowable IRS deduction.
>
> We find that most donors are not making the donation for the tax write-off,
> but rather they simply have a car they need to get rid of, or have no
> further use for, and they find they can't get much for it in a trade.  They
> would just as soon have it do someone some good.  Plus they don't want the
> hassle of selling it themselves.
>
> The bottom line is that the donation is a tax deduction, NOT a tax CREDIT.
>  Most people would probably get a better return, if that is their primary
> objective, by selling the car for cash, assuming one can find a buyer.
>
> Our program accepts donations of any car, truck, RV or boat, regardless of
> condition, and regardless of location.  I urge people to donate locally
> where possible.  Small local charities are often able to get a better bang
> out of a donated buck, with all due respect to the large, and certainly
> deserving, national charities, like the American Cancer Society, etc.
>
> I have written this rather hurriedly in between Saturday chores, so please
> contact your accountant if you have any questions about any of the above
> in case I have overlooked something.
>
> Tom Schuch
> 1975 

Re: [MBZ] OT: Obama Quote while in Springfield, Missouri yesterday

[andrew strasfogel]

Surely you jest.

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:02 PM, harry watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Allan
>
> It won't be that way on CNN when Senator Obama gets elected.  What you are
> seeing now is President Bush hating news, everything is bad and wrong.
>  When
> President Obama is in power, everything will be good and wonderful, if its
> not, then, its the fault of someone else.
>
> Watch Fox News, fair and balanced.
>
> Harry
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 11:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Obama Quote while in Springfield, Missouri yesterday
>
>
> > "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >> Seems like we started hearing about crime a lot more since then -
> >> maybe it was 24 hr news?  maybe not - but it seemed like kids
> >> weren't safe anymore so the parents had to drive them.  I guess it
> >> was likely a combination of things ---but I think we are worse off
> >> then before -
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >
> > I think you've hit on something with the news coverage.  Ever sit and
> > watch CNN, or the others for a couple of hours?  You end up feeling
> > anxious and worried.  They report 95% "bad news" all the time.
> >
> > I stopped watching all that crap about 2 years ago.  I was something
> > of a news junkie before then.  Overall I think I have a much better
> > outlook on life.  Happy ignorance?  Maybe.  My mom still has CNN on
> > almost 24x7 and she worries about everything.
> >
> > Allan
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Re: [MBZ] 240 hood - strange spots

[Jim Cathey]

> I thought at the time that it was steel.  'Began to wonder recently if 
> it
> may have been AL.

Some SL(C) hoods were aluminum, as were some SEC hoods.  Mostly not,
I would think.  Certainly not on a 240D.  I'm thinking your sap found
some preexisting pinholes in the paint and migrated through.  And
the sap's hygroscopic nature also brought in water which did the
dirty deed.

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Re: [MBZ] 240 hood - strange spots

[Rick Knoble]

>I thought at the time that it was steel.  'Began to wonder recently if it
> may have been AL.
> 
> Wilton

240D hood or W140 hood? 
I think the W126 SEC had some aluminum panels.

Rick Knoble 
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'87 190 DT

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Re: [MBZ] 240 hood - strange spots

[Wilton Strickland]

I thought at the time that it was steel.  'Began to wonder recently if it
may have been AL.

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 hood - strange spots


> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 14:38:03 -0400 "Wilton Strickland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > It was something that went through the paint without visible damage to
> > the paint and then ate holes in the metal hood, which I think may have
> > been aluminum - not sure.
>
> I don't know what might have caused the problem, but the hood was made of
> steel, not aluminum.
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want a cheap 300E?

[Rick Knoble]

> silver with 
> burgandy tex.  

Doh!

Rick Knoble 
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'87 190 DT

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want a cheap 300E?

[Rick Knoble]

>  Going to get it cleaned 
> up and get some pictures off it this weekend hopefully.  $1500.  If 
> anybody is interested let me know.  Would have posted earlier but gave a 
> list member first choice and cheaper price on it.  Never heard back so 
> now its opened up to the whole list.  Will be putting it on craigs list 
> etc in a few days.

Does it have an airbag and ABS? What color?

Rick Knoble 
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Re: [MBZ] No hood for me today

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Curt,
Did you dicker with them? How much?

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852

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Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 11:41 AM
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Subject: [MBZ] No hood for me today

The junkyard that has a 240D hood is apparently "by appointment only" on
Saturdays... G... So fortunately I think I can get out of work a little
early on Friday, I'd love to get a new hood on this car sooner than later.

I did make a stop at my favorite store "Stuff and Things" and pick up some
new cutting wheels and a couple flapper sanding discs so I can start in on
the rust on the car. I also bought a 3/8" u-joint socket so I can finally
get the parking brake arm bolted all the way back on.

-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] 240 hood - strange spots

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 14:38:03 -0400 "Wilton Strickland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> It was something that went through the paint without visible damage to
> the paint and then ate holes in the metal hood, which I think may have
> been aluminum - not sure.

I don't know what might have caused the problem, but the hood was made of
steel, not aluminum.


Craig

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[MBZ] 240 hood - strange spots

[Wilton Strickland]

'Bout 15 years ago, I was washing my 80 240D one day and discovered 3 little
spots of a clear substance that I thought was terpentine (pine sap) on top
of the hood.  My thought was that wife had parked under a pine tree, which
had dripped sap onto the hood.  One spot  was ~1/4 inch dia., the others
smaller.  I didn't have any solvent handy right then, so I delayed removing
the spots.  Few days later, I had the solvent and started to remove the
"terpentine" spots, but discovered that the substance had "gone through" the
paint, i. e., the paint had taken the shape of the original spots that I saw
but appeared to be undamaged other than having taken on the raised shape of
the substance.  When I first saw the spots they were clear/colorless - I
could readily see that they were lying on the surface of the paint.  'Few
days later when I started to clean them off, the paint was on TOP of the
substance - the paint had assumed the shape of the spots!  Then, I couldn't
clean the spots off without cutting the paint away.  Because I couldn't get
to the substance without cutting holes in the paint, I delayed doing
anything.  Several months later, the hood had little holes in it where the
spots had been.  'Still like that when uninsured driver suddenly made left
turn across in front of wife coupla yrs later, totaling the 240D.  Any idea
what the substance on the hood was?  It was something that went through the
paint without visible damage to the paint and then ate holes in the metal
hood, which I think may have been aluminum - not sure.

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] Donating a vehicle

[tom tomscat]

Hi,

I run a a 501 (c) 3 charitable organization, and we have been operating a car 
donation fund raising program for the past couple of years.  My agency is a 
small residential facility for adolescent males in Ct.  We have probably 
processed over 200 cars in that time. 

The IRS rules changed in January 2005. A donor can deduct up to $500 (under 
Schedule A Itemized Deductions--- if you don't itemize, check with your 
accountant to see if you can claim a deduction) for a donated vehicle with an 
acknowledgement from the donee noting the donation and the proceeds realized.  

In order to deduct MORE than $500, certain conditions must be met:

1) the charity actually realizes proceeds of more than $500 from the sale of 
the vehicle, after any expenses incurred in fixing it up before sale.  In this 
case, the charity is required to send a completed Form 1098-C to the donor, 
within a month, stating the proceeds of the sale, less any expenses incurred.  
That number is the amount that the donor can deduct on Schedule A.  The charity 
is also required to send a copy of this Form 1098-C to the IRS, listing the 
donor and the donor's Social Security or Tax ID.

OR

2) the charity uses the vehicle in its 'agency mission".  In other words, the 
vehicle is NOT resold, or is resold at below market value to a needy family, 
for example.  Again the charity is required to complete a 1098-C, as above, and 
send it to both the donor and the IRS.  The charity states the disposition of 
the vehicle, and lists the Kelley Blue Book PRIVATE PARTY VALUE of the vehicle 
at the time of the disposition. That number is the amount that the donee may 
deduct on Schedule A.  The charity must follow certain guidelines to meet the 
IRS criteria for 'agency mission'.

In my case, we have done all of the above over the past couple of years with 
our donated vehicles.  Many of the donations are not servicable any more, and 
we arrange for those to go directly to auction, where they are mostly snapped 
up by salvage yards and parts dealers.  We have taken several vehicles into 
'agency mission service':  e.g., right now I have a 1998 Jeep Cherokee Classic 
in great shape that we use on a daily basis at the agency.  I have a number of 
servicable donated vehicles for sale currrently, priced from as little as $150 
to as much as $4200.  I have had a several Mercedes donated, including a 1984 
230CE Euro project car, and a couple of W123s.  

Since I have a house full of adolescent males, including some budding 
gearheads, we are also beginning to use the donated vehicles as part of an  
incentive program:  youths can work toward earning ownership of a vehicle upon 
graduation, and along the way they can learn about it and work on it.  Since 
this is incorporated into our life skills  development program, it meets the 
criteria for 'agency mission'.  A true win-win-win for the donor, the donee and 
the kids.  Needless to say, it has generated considerable excitement among our 
population of teenage males!

Additionally, we are using one donated vehicle (at present) in a community 
service project for the agency.  We have a 1991 Volvo 240 wagon that our kids 
will make some minor repairs to, clean it up, etc, and then we, in turn, wiil 
seek out a needy local family and give the car to them.  It's a way for our 
kids to learn to give back to those less fortunate.  Kind of a "Habitat for 
Humanity' with cars.  This too has generated considerable interest among the 
youths in the program, as well as allowing the donor to realize the full 
allowable IRS deduction. 

We find that most donors are not making the donation for the tax write-off, but 
rather they simply have a car they need to get rid of, or have no further use 
for, and they find they can't get much for it in a trade.  They would just as 
soon have it do someone some good.  Plus they don't want the hassle of selling 
it themselves.

The bottom line is that the donation is a tax deduction, NOT a tax CREDIT.  
Most people would probably get a better return, if that is their primary 
objective, by selling the car for cash, assuming one can find a buyer.  

Our program accepts donations of any car, truck, RV or boat, regardless of 
condition, and regardless of location.  I urge people to donate locally where 
possible.  Small local charities are often able to get a better bang out of a 
donated buck, with all due respect to the large, and certainly deserving, 
national charities, like the American Cancer Society, etc.

I have written this rather hurriedly in between Saturday chores, so please 
contact your accountant if you have any questions about any of the above in 
case I have overlooked something.

Tom Schuch
1975 300D W115
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Problems -- '78 240D

[Jim Cathey]

> I wonder if the front end will req re-alignment?

Shouldn't, though it is possible your steering wheel might not
be centered.  That can be corrected without affecting the alignment.
Carefully.

> Any reason not to use one from a junk yard?

I would.  But you risk getting one that is worn out or leaky.
Still, the price difference is substantial.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 190D cooling fan clutch

[OK Don]

Has the engine had the green anti-freeze in it?  With one exception
(the SDL), all of the MBs I've bought that have had the green stuff
have needed new radiators within two years. I've replaced thermostats,
flushed with citric acid, replaced fan clutches, had the radiator
cleaned and "rebuilt", but a new radiator was the only thing that
brought the temps in line. YMMV ---

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Back a couple years ago I'd noticed that the electric clutch on the fan on my 
> '85 190D doesn't work. Marshall and beaten me up to troubleshoot it more 
> before calling the clutch bad but the other day when adding oil I noticed 
> that the PO had siliconed the fan to the clutch. I poked around and when the 
> engine is hot there is DEFINATELY power at the clutch. The car will 
> occasionally run a mite hot when creeping along in heavy traffic. Part of it 
> is needing a coolant flush which will happen once I get the Quantum but in 
> the mean time:
> Has anybody ever done the electric fan clutch? Rusty's site says $222. Are 
> used ones available?
> I'd like to get this all sorted before my wife starts driving the car full 
> time.
>
> -Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Obama Quote while in Springfield, Missouri yesterday

[harry watkins]

Allan

It won't be that way on CNN when Senator Obama gets elected.  What you are 
seeing now is President Bush hating news, everything is bad and wrong.  When 
President Obama is in power, everything will be good and wonderful, if its 
not, then, its the fault of someone else.

Watch Fox News, fair and balanced.

Harry

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Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Obama Quote while in Springfield, Missouri yesterday


> "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Seems like we started hearing about crime a lot more since then -
>> maybe it was 24 hr news?  maybe not - but it seemed like kids
>> weren't safe anymore so the parents had to drive them.  I guess it
>> was likely a combination of things ---but I think we are worse off
>> then before -
>>
>> Thoughts?
>
> I think you've hit on something with the news coverage.  Ever sit and
> watch CNN, or the others for a couple of hours?  You end up feeling
> anxious and worried.  They report 95% "bad news" all the time.
>
> I stopped watching all that crap about 2 years ago.  I was something
> of a news junkie before then.  Overall I think I have a much better
> outlook on life.  Happy ignorance?  Maybe.  My mom still has CNN on
> almost 24x7 and she worries about everything.
>
> Allan
> -- 
> 1983 300D
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Re: [MBZ] So did Wacko get rid of the quantum?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

ok


Wonko the Sane wrote:
> Last I heard, Curt was flying in for it in a couple of weeks.
> 
> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 
>> Auction today has several small pickups, looks like a ranger, S10, and a
>> few small import models.
>> --
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>>  92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
>>  87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
>>  85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
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  85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
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Re: [MBZ] So did Wacko get rid of the quantum?

[Wonko the Sane]

Last I heard, Curt was flying in for it in a couple of weeks.

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Auction today has several small pickups, looks like a ranger, S10, and a
> few small import models.
> --
> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>  92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
>  87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
>  85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
> http://www.okiebenz.com
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[MBZ] Anybody want a cheap 300E?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Got a cheap 300E Im getting ready to sell.  Its an 86 silver with 
burgandy tex.  I have been driving it back and forth to work all week 
and have not had any problems at all.  Its got a little over 200K on it. 
  Starts great, runs great, no noise or smoke.  Tranny shifts just like 
it should.  Suspension is great, no noise or vibration.  Goes down the 
road straight, does not seem to pull or anything.  The AC works, the 
climate control works, the cruise works, the sunroof works, even the 
popup works.  All the windows work.  It has a dent in the RF fender 
which could probably be popped out to look better, or those fenders are 
easy to replace.  Has a small dent in the front edge of the hood by the 
drivers side headlight, and also the bumper is cracked in that area. 
What happened is the PO forgot to put the car in park, and it rolled 
into a pole.  Broke the headlight, cracked bumper, little dent in the 
hood.   I have replaced the headlight and have a bumper available if a 
person was interested. Paint is pretty decent but does have some fading 
on the hood a little and the roof top.  Not really that bad though. 
Interior is also in fairly decent shape. Has typical wear spot on the 
drivers seat.  Power seats also work, even the knobs are not broken off.

It has a BRAND NEW fuel pump, replaced the headlight, new drivers front 
window regulator, new drivers front door check.  Going to get it cleaned 
up and get some pictures off it this weekend hopefully.  $1500.  If 
anybody is interested let me know.  Would have posted earlier but gave a 
list member first choice and cheaper price on it.  Never heard back so 
now its opened up to the whole list.  Will be putting it on craigs list 
etc in a few days.
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[MBZ] 190D cooling fan clutch

[Curt Raymond]

Back a couple years ago I'd noticed that the electric clutch on the fan on my 
'85 190D doesn't work. Marshall and beaten me up to troubleshoot it more before 
calling the clutch bad but the other day when adding oil I noticed that the PO 
had siliconed the fan to the clutch. I poked around and when the engine is hot 
there is DEFINATELY power at the clutch. The car will occasionally run a mite 
hot when creeping along in heavy traffic. Part of it is needing a coolant flush 
which will happen once I get the Quantum but in the mean time:
Has anybody ever done the electric fan clutch? Rusty's site says $222. Are used 
ones available?
I'd like to get this all sorted before my wife starts driving the car full time.

-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Obama Quote while in Springfield, Missouri yesterday

[Allan Streib]

"LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Seems like we started hearing about crime a lot more since then -
> maybe it was 24 hr news?  maybe not - but it seemed like kids
> weren't safe anymore so the parents had to drive them.  I guess it
> was likely a combination of things ---but I think we are worse off
> then before -
>
> Thoughts?

I think you've hit on something with the news coverage.  Ever sit and
watch CNN, or the others for a couple of hours?  You end up feeling
anxious and worried.  They report 95% "bad news" all the time.

I stopped watching all that crap about 2 years ago.  I was something
of a news junkie before then.  Overall I think I have a much better
outlook on life.  Happy ignorance?  Maybe.  My mom still has CNN on
almost 24x7 and she worries about everything.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Donating a vehicle

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Its the price it sells for.  Where are you getting that blue book value?

andrew strasfogel wrote:
> My sig. oth. is urging me to donate my trusty but misunderstood 284 K mi.
> 300TD wagon to a 501 (c)(3) charitable organization, rather than continue my
> fruitless attempt to sell it.  I was asking $1995, and the only problems are
> rusty jack points, a bad AC double hose, and leaky windshield.
> 
> Question:  What are the latest IRS rules about assigning a "fair market
> value" to a donated vehicle?  Is it the Blue Book or the actual price the
> charitable organization sells it for?  BB value for a 300TD in average
> condition is over $5000 (!).
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[MBZ] No hood for me today

[Curt Raymond]

The junkyard that has a 240D hood is apparently "by appointment only" on 
Saturdays... G... So fortunately I think I can get out of work a little 
early on Friday, I'd love to get a new hood on this car sooner than later.

I did make a stop at my favorite store "Stuff and Things" and pick up some new 
cutting wheels and a couple flapper sanding discs so I can start in on the rust 
on the car. I also bought a 3/8" u-joint socket so I can finally get the 
parking brake arm bolted all the way back on.

-Curt



  
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[MBZ] my favorite brick and mortar store

[Gary Hurst]

feed store way out in the sticks that is adapting itself to suburbia coming
their way.

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Re: [MBZ] Donating a vehicle

[dave walton]

If you donate it to a charity it will be sold to a dealer at auction
that will try try to sell it for twice what it is worth to someone who
can't afford to fix it. You are better off selling it to someone that
needs it with full disclosure, then donate the money you get to the
charity of your choice. The charities only get at best 30% of what the
car brings at auction anyway. It's free money for them so they don't
complain much.

I think you should sell it to Kaleb for $500 :-)

-Dave Walton

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:18 AM, andrew strasfogel
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My sig. oth. is urging me to donate my trusty but misunderstood 284 K mi.
> 300TD wagon to a 501 (c)(3) charitable organization, rather than continue my
> fruitless attempt to sell it.  I was asking $1995, and the only problems are
> rusty jack points, a bad AC double hose, and leaky windshield.
>
> Question:  What are the latest IRS rules about assigning a "fair market
> value" to a donated vehicle?  Is it the Blue Book or the actual price the
> charitable organization sells it for?  BB value for a 300TD in average
> condition is over $5000 (!).
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Problems -- '78 240D

[LarryT]

Great... just what I need - another fun project - I wonder if the front end 
will req re-alignment?

Any reason not to use one from a junk yard?   Rusty is selling them for over 
$450 IIRC.   But that would be new -
Thx Jim - helpful as usual -

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>> Now that I know it's the Control Valve, maybe you (or someone) could
>> tell me
>> how hard it is to change?   Then there's always that NASCAR thing -
>
> You change steering boxes.  Straightforward, but heavy and usually
> a bit on the greasy side.
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] Donating a vehicle

[Tom Hargrave]

You are required to declare "market value" for the vehicle and if audited
you may need to justify the value, particularly if it's more than the
average car would sell for in your area.

The best thing to do is to print and save a copy of the blue book printout.
"High balling - building a file of only over priced cars that are for sale
on the net" will just piss off your IRS auditor and they will come back at
you with a market based "real value".

Remember, donating to a non-profit only means that you are not paying income
tax on the value of the item. In other words, you aren't getting the $5000
back, you are just not paying taxes on the $5000 and at 17%, that's only
$850.00. You'd be cash ahead selling the car for $1000.

I'd be interested but I'm probably too far away.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Subject: [MBZ] Donating a vehicle

My sig. oth. is urging me to donate my trusty but misunderstood 284 K mi.
300TD wagon to a 501 (c)(3) charitable organization, rather than continue my
fruitless attempt to sell it.  I was asking $1995, and the only problems are
rusty jack points, a bad AC double hose, and leaky windshield.

Question:  What are the latest IRS rules about assigning a "fair market
value" to a donated vehicle?  Is it the Blue Book or the actual price the
charitable organization sells it for?  BB value for a 300TD in average
condition is over $5000 (!).
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Re: [MBZ] Donating a vehicle

[Rick Knoble]

> Question:  What are the latest IRS rules about assigning a "fair market
> value" to a donated vehicle?  Is it the Blue Book or the actual price the
> charitable organization sells it for?  BB value for a 300TD in average
> condition is over $5000 (!).

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p526.pdf

The way I understand what is written is 

1. If you donate a car worth more than 500 bucks and they give it to some one 
in need or use it, you get to deduct your cost basis (what you have in the car) 
or fair market value, whichever is less.

2. If you donate a car worth more than 500 bucks and they sell the car or 
auction it off, you get to deduct what they sold the car for, your cost basis 
(what you have in the car) or fair market value, whichever is less.

Perhaps one of our esteemed esquires on this list can read the above document 
and expound on it, but that is the way I interpret what is written.

Caveats,
YMMV
My 2¢
Rick Knoble 
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'87 190 DT


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[MBZ] Donating a vehicle

[andrew strasfogel]

My sig. oth. is urging me to donate my trusty but misunderstood 284 K mi.
300TD wagon to a 501 (c)(3) charitable organization, rather than continue my
fruitless attempt to sell it.  I was asking $1995, and the only problems are
rusty jack points, a bad AC double hose, and leaky windshield.

Question:  What are the latest IRS rules about assigning a "fair market
value" to a donated vehicle?  Is it the Blue Book or the actual price the
charitable organization sells it for?  BB value for a 300TD in average
condition is over $5000 (!).
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Re: [MBZ] OT recent local news

[andrew strasfogel]

The attack happened in the middle of the night on a lonely, dark stretch of
highway...

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I guess Jefferson, Iowa is just full of crazies
>
> Wonko the Sane wrote:
> > My guess -- based on what I do for a living -- is that the attacker
> suffers
> > from schizophrenia and was not on meds. Schnzos off-meds can do some
> strange
> > stuff that, at the time, seems to be perfectly logical and justified. Had
> > one at work a while back who was convinced he was in Vietnam (he was born
> > well after hostilities ended) and that I was the VietCon aggressive
> forces
> > wanting to cause him harm. He SAW 'Con trying to fight with him -- in
> > Jefferson, Iowa!
> >
> > Was one of my best moments -- I and a co-worker (who lost a leg in Nam)
> were
> > able to de-escalate him with talking and some reality checking. Strangely
> > enough, after fifteen minutes he was able to tune out the voices and go
> back
> > to work.
> >
> > I love my job. I really mean that -- I LOVE my job.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 3:51 PM, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> So, did y'all hear about the guy on the Greyhound bus? One passenger
> >> flipped out and stabbed another to death and
> >> then cut his head right off. Happened a couple of nights ago about 50
> miles
> >> west of us. I know lots of odd balls
> >> ride the buses but jeepers. This sort of takes the cake.
> >>
> >> Randy
> >>
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[MBZ] So did Wacko get rid of the quantum?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Auction today has several small pickups, looks like a ranger, S10, and a 
few small import models.
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Re: [MBZ] 99 E430 FS

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

3.54 I think for unleaded here, 4.28 diesel.  Crap.  When I got back 
from New Mexico I filled up my 100 gal diesel tank again in OKC at 4.32 
or something.  Figured it would go up again.  Oh well.

Kevin Kraly wrote:
> a 2000 Suburban compared to a 1999 model.)
> 
> My parents  had quite a few suburbans, a '91 (last of the big, boxy ones), 
> a '93, and the '99 which was the best of the three.  It was sitting next to 
> the 2000 model at the local auto show, and it was a pretty good deal at over 
> 8K cheaper.  It was an awesome vehicle!  However, The '05 Chrysler T&C 
> Minivan that replaced the old Sub gets double the fuel mileage.  They have 
> nothing to tow and don't go off-roading, so the MV does very well.
> 
> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
> 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula
> PS. $3.88 for RUG today and Diesel was $4.89!  There's somethin' wrong with 
> that! 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT recent local news

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I guess Jefferson, Iowa is just full of crazies

Wonko the Sane wrote:
> My guess -- based on what I do for a living -- is that the attacker suffers
> from schizophrenia and was not on meds. Schnzos off-meds can do some strange
> stuff that, at the time, seems to be perfectly logical and justified. Had
> one at work a while back who was convinced he was in Vietnam (he was born
> well after hostilities ended) and that I was the VietCon aggressive forces
> wanting to cause him harm. He SAW 'Con trying to fight with him -- in
> Jefferson, Iowa!
> 
> Was one of my best moments -- I and a co-worker (who lost a leg in Nam) were
> able to de-escalate him with talking and some reality checking. Strangely
> enough, after fifteen minutes he was able to tune out the voices and go back
> to work.
> 
> I love my job. I really mean that -- I LOVE my job.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 3:51 PM, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> So, did y'all hear about the guy on the Greyhound bus? One passenger
>> flipped out and stabbed another to death and
>> then cut his head right off. Happened a couple of nights ago about 50 miles
>> west of us. I know lots of odd balls
>> ride the buses but jeepers. This sort of takes the cake.
>>
>> Randy
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT recent local news

[Curt Raymond]

I hate to use this but...
Gonna ban all knives in Canada now? I'm amazed that nobody stopped this. I see 
somebody getting stabbed the stabber is gonna have to answer and dammed quick. 
I always carry a knife.

Granted my little swiss army knife isn't gonna do much but I'm not going to 
wait around while somebody's head gets cut off.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:51:06 -0500
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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So, did y'all hear about the guy on the Greyhound bus? One passenger flipped 
out and stabbed another to death and
then cut his head right off. Happened a couple of nights ago about 50 miles 
west of us. I know lots of odd balls
ride the buses but jeepers. This sort of takes the cake.

Randy


  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: tool booty

[Jim Cathey]

> Oh yea, Spokane.  I've been there several times to visit my Uncle and
> family.  It's a pretty city, just WA too far north :)

There are times, in winter, when I'd agree with you about the latitude.
There are times, in summer, when I would not.

Oh yeah, and let us not forget some pretty significant signs
of civilization: a long-time Mercedes dealership (ensuring a
strong local supply) and a U-Pull (where many of them end up)!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: tool booty

[Curt Raymond]

Presque Isle, Maine sported one of the first nuclear missle sites capable of 
shooting a "Snark" at the USSR. It has a university too. Definately the middle 
of nowhere though...

-Curt

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 19:36:49 -0700
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> How can I partake in the raiding of this booty?

What are you looking for?  Mind you the deals aren't
stellar, it's just that at half the asking price they're
now somewhat reasonable.

> Drive out to the middle of nowhere, WA

Spokane is not usually considered (by the rational) as the
'middle of nowhere'.  I wouldn't think that anyplace that
sported multiple universities, a major airport, nuclear
weaponry, and a good symphony would be considered that.
Presidents, etc., have occasionally visited on campaign
stops.  I think Her (would-be-)Royal Clinton was the last
one such.

The nukes probably went away with the B-52's.  Maybe that
took us off the map, so to speak?

I wouldn't, however, make the trip just to visit one
going-out-of-business pawn shop!

-- Jim


  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: tool booty

[Luther]

Oh yea, Spokane.  I've been there several times to visit my Uncle and 
family.  It's a pretty city, just WA too far north :)

Luther

Jim Cathey wrote:
>> How can I partake in the raiding of this booty?
>> 
>
> What are you looking for?  Mind you the deals aren't
> stellar, it's just that at half the asking price they're
> now somewhat reasonable.
>
>   
>> Drive out to the middle of nowhere, WA
>> 
>
> Spokane is not usually considered (by the rational) as the
> 'middle of nowhere'.  I wouldn't think that anyplace that
> sported multiple universities, a major airport, nuclear
> weaponry, and a good symphony would be considered that.
> Presidents, etc., have occasionally visited on campaign
> stops.  I think Her (would-be-)Royal Clinton was the last
> one such.
>
> The nukes probably went away with the B-52's.  Maybe that
> took us off the map, so to speak?
>
> I wouldn't, however, make the trip just to visit one
> going-out-of-business pawn shop!
>
> -- Jim
>   

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Re: [MBZ] why i love ebay

[Tom Hargrave]

Some eBayers aren't that bright.

Thanks, Tom
256-656-1924

-Original Message-
From: "andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: 8/1/08 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] why i love ebay

But then he has to pay another ebay listing fee, right?

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> guy has 86 left on an auction that is doing well and wants to raise
the
> price.  what does he do?  he ends the auction claiming the item is
lost or
> broken.  then he relists the same item (mysteriously found?) for 10
bucks
> more.
>
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=360031050763&ssP
ageName=STRK:MESE:IT
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