Shortly after my bride and I were wed, we attempted to fly space avaliable
from Naples Italy to Charleston SC. Space-A means that military on leave and
retired military can get a free ride on military flights that have open seats.
Dependents can only take Space-A flights when overseas travel
I've got to admit that Oklahoma has looked pretty damned good lately.
Still a little peeved that Texas didn't make the big one, though. As
it is, they've gotten themselves into a pretty dangerous bowl. Take a
disappointed Texas team, feeling like they've been forced to settle
for a lesser bowl vs.
You would cover all the points of the Benz star
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So if I understand this, Cerberus (very smart capitalists) think that DB
screwed them over, and now they want a do-over. And some billion$ from
the taxpayers to make it all better? Am I understanding that right?
(Hint: see the financing arm)
And some Very Influential Senators (with vast
These are separate issues.
Cerberus is pushing back at Daimler because they want a ridiculous sum for
the remaining shares of Chrysler.
When Congress asked how many times we are going to bail out the Auto Makers
they must be referring to 1980. The only Big Three bailout was Chrysler, who
paid
I didn't understand why they wanted us to stay on a plane in danger of
catching fire, but that was the procedure in NATOPS (Naval Aviation
Tactical Operating Standards).
I assume so that you aren't in the way of any firefighting that
might have to break out. I bet that if there's nobody out
Yea, the one with the damn fool for a pilot crashed at Spokane several years
ago trying to do a pitch out, fighter-type go around. Several in his unit
had warned that he was gonna kill somebody and refused to fly with 'im.
'Think it's on youtube.
Wilton
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From: Jim
I think the problem is that the big 3 can't build the smaller cars
profitably here in the unionized plants, what with all the legacy costs
associated therewith. The big vehicles' profits carry the small cars,
which is why they have concentrated on the bigger vehicles (which
consumers like
The big three have built smaller cars here in the states. They tried
repeatedly we would not buy them. We wanted mid-size larger cars from
American auto makers. One great example of this is Saturn, who built a long
line of smaller, efficient cars. Saturn is performing so dismally that its
one of
Well put Tom.
Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT
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From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cerberus wants money back
The big three have built smaller cars
OK so that means the consumers don't want their (small) product but they
do want small products from the Japanese companies. (And I have heard
that Ford, and maybe the others', cars are doing well in Europe and
elsewhere v. the competition, why there and not here?) I guess we can
mess with
Tom Hargrave wrote:
The big three have built smaller cars here in the states. They tried
repeatedly we would not buy them. We wanted mid-size larger cars from
American auto makers. One great example of this is Saturn, who built a long
line of smaller, efficient cars. Saturn is performing so
yes, there are a number of videos of the incident on YouTube, and also, I
think he was piloting during one very low fly over. From what I read, he
had a bit of a reputation, and not one that made a lot of ppl want to come
forward and jump in the plane with him.
Ed
300E
2008/12/8 Wilton
I think this is the video of the incident. It's near the end, starting
about 9:30 on the video. Video is of rather poor quality.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQa4PpIkOZU
Ed
300E
2008/12/8 Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yea, the one with the damn fool for a pilot crashed at Spokane
Whomever wrote this has never driven a base model Corolla, Civic, Focus or
Cobalt.
I've driven all 4, the Ford and Chevy SUCK. The Corolla is a fairly comfortable
little crapbox and the Civic is a sporty little fun car.
Get a Chevy Cobalt with a center armrest and try to apply the parking
I think he was in serious trouble before coming anywhere near the power
lines!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_L5MEHVnQ0feature=related
Ed
300E
2008/12/8 Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yea, the one with the damn fool for a pilot crashed at Spokane several
years
ago trying to do a
In a normal job if I've retired and then die the company gets off the hook
right? My widow and/or kids get some lump some payout and thats that?
Did I read correctly the other day that if I were a UAW worker my wife and kids
would still get my penison/retirement for as long as she lived?
Don't
Curt Raymond wrote:
In a normal job if I've retired and then die the company gets off the hook
right? My widow and/or kids get some lump some payout and thats that?
Generally, with a defined benefit pension, you have to choose when you retire.
Do you want $x per month for your life, or 3/4x
in GM terms, saturn is one with opel and saab. all 3 are just opels, just
the saab version cost twice as much.
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tom Hargrave wrote:
The big three have built smaller cars here in the states. They tried
repeatedly we would
Rich,
The issue is not quality or cost but America's perception of small American
cars.
For example, when GM Toyota manufactured cars in the US as a joint
venture, the Toyotas had consistently higher reviews and reported less
warranty issues. But the two product lines were the exact same cars,
Honda and Toyota have the exact same package that the 'Big 3' has. The only
difference is that they have not been in business long enough to float the
retirement base that the American auto manufacturers have. But they will,
just give them some years.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
So after spending billion$ on advertising, they still can't beat the
competition with the exact same car, tarted up (hmmm maybe it has
something to do with the dealers? Don't know. Or overall reputation
for quality and commitment?). That makes me want to give them billion$
more to help them
You sure about that? -- the plants in the south don't have those same
bennies do they?
--R
Tom Hargrave wrote:
Honda and Toyota have the exact same package that the 'Big 3' has. The only
difference is that they have not been in business long enough to float the
retirement base that the
Exactly the same and to the penny. My Wife works for Chrysler and some of my
Son's friends work at the Mercedes plant.
They offer the exact same package to keep the Union out!
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Customer complaints were not about service, they were about quality.
And the companies who reviewed the products supposedly rated each on the
product's individual merits.
This pretty much leaves the dealerships out of the loop brings customer
perception to the front of the line.
Also, the
Tom wrote: Also, the biggest customer quality complaints were issues like
squeaky brakes. Does this mean that the Toyota Nissan customers were more
tolerant of these issues than GM Dodge customers were?
I can say from experience that one reason Hondas have such a following is that
the most
'Had reputation for recklessness.
Wilton
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From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed
yes, there are a number of videos of the incident on YouTube,
Yea, big trouble when he went to that steep bank at that low airspeed and
low altitude; couldn't get enough rudder or anything else to hold altitude;
'caught wing tip on ground, didn;t he?.
Wilton
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'Doomed long before the power line.
Wilton
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From: Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed
Yea, big trouble when he went to that steep
Tom Hargrave wrote:
Honda and Toyota have the exact same package that the 'Big 3' has. The only
difference is that they have not been in business long enough to float the
retirement base that the American auto manufacturers have. But they will,
just give them some years.
Good point. Marysville
Wilton Strickland wrote:
'Doomed long before the power line.
How's the saying go?
The are old pilots and bold pilots, but no old, bold pilots?
Mitch.
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It's actually powered by gasses emitted from decomposting fair traded coffee
grounds and othe natural resources.
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 10:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...So... Was bedeutet das? Who died? Can I watch auf English?
What? Couldn't your steam powered PC open a Youtube
Mitch Haley wrote:
Good point. Marysville opened 26 years ago, and I think they mainly
tried to hire workers under the age of 30. All the other import plants
are newer.
I forgot VW, didn't I?
1978 for them.
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'Looked out toward the cars last night about 9 and saw a light on in the
350SDL!!! 'Had looked out earlier and saw no light. 'Tried to roust SWMBO
asleep on second floor; no response. 'Hobbled out to the car with my
walker - 'didn't realize it was so cold! Now, I've lived in NE, UP of MI,
CA
Wilton Strickland wrote:
BTW, did you notice - I was brave enough at first I was gonna send SWMBO out
to investigate? ;)
What kind of pistol does she carry?
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Right. This guy was noted for being bold/reckless. 'Think they were all
LtCol's aboard, Bomb Sqdn CO, sqdn operations officer (sqdn #2) flying the
airplane, 'don't remember the others; 'think they were all staff weenies.
Supposedly, others wouldn't fly with 'im.
Wilton
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The cold outside would have been no match for the cold inside.
--R
Wilton Strickland wrote:
'Looked out toward the cars last night about 9 and saw a light on in the
350SDL!!! 'Had looked out earlier and saw no light. 'Tried to roust SWMBO
asleep on second floor; no response. 'Hobbled out to
None, but she can run faster than I can. ;))) At first, I thought I'd
watch from the doorway - ready to call for help if she needed any. ;))
Wilton
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From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday,
Yea, that's what I thought, too. ;))
I was hoping, too, when I first called up to her that she might say, Oh,
yes, I turned it on and forgot - I'll get it. 'No such luck, though - all
was quiet on second floor.
Wilton
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From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
I drove a Ford Focus [first year if of US sales] for about three years and
really enjoyed it. I was driving 40-60k miles a year and it was comfortable
and easy to drive for long distances and around town. Only my old 220Sb was
better, but I have not done distance driving in any large American
When I took my Corolla in for maintenance and gave my list of issues with
the car the service writers first comment was It has to be one of the US
made cars [turns out it was] because we don't have those complaints on the
ones made in Japan. It is things like that which instill us with the
Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The issue is not quality or cost but America's perception of small
American cars.
For example, when GM Toyota manufactured cars in the US as a joint
venture, the Toyotas had consistently higher reviews and reported less
warranty issues. But the two
Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Whomever wrote this has never driven a base model Corolla, Civic, Focus or
Cobalt.
I've driven all 4, the Ford and Chevy SUCK. The Corolla is a fairly
comfortable little crapbox and the Civic is a sporty little fun car.
We have a '02 Focus and I
andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It's actually powered by gasses emitted from decomposting fair traded
coffee grounds and othe natural resources.
I just had a flash of inspiration for a new alternative energy program.
Please write me a business plan on how I can collect waste gasses
Maybe, but . . . do you remember the early Japanese cars?
I had relatives that bought Datsun 510's. Nice engine and tranny etc but no
body. One of my cousins was teasing an
uncle about how small and light his car was. Grabbed the front fender and tried
to lift the car. Bent the fender!
I
Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
OK so that means the consumers don't want their (small) product but
they do want small products from the Japanese companies. (And I have
heard that Ford, and maybe the others', cars are doing well in Europe
and elsewhere v. the competition, why there and
R A Bennell wrote:
I sometimes wonder if people have been brainwashed over the years to believe
that Asian cars are wonderful and US
cars are garbage by the auto media.
That pretty much sums up the young ignoramuses who think they know everything on
fatwallet.com forums.
Mitch.
Allan
R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Maybe, but . . . do you remember the early Japanese cars?
I had relatives that bought Datsun 510's. Nice engine and tranny etc
but no body. One of my cousins was teasing an uncle about how small
and light his car was. Grabbed the front fender
You are forgetting that the vast majority of people buy these cars today
were not around during those years, would not even know what a pinto etc
even was.
Allan Streib wrote:
Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The issue is not quality or cost but America's perception of small
American
My 76 year old mother has had 3 or 4 new Honda Civics in a row now. She takes
it to the dealer and they do whatever
they want for the most part. They told her she needed new tires a couple of
years ago and I told her she didn't.
There was lots of tread left so I don't know why they told her she
Overhead of dealerships must do something here too. I read that even after it
drops 1000 dealers GM will still have more than twice as many (4000 something)
than Honda (around 1800)...
Fer instance. My little town of Winchendon has a failing GM dealership
(Patterson Chevrolet/Buick). Gardner
Ahhh good point. I had a Focus rental back in '01 when I got married (my money,
base model car) which we drove across New York state. Really liked the car,
very pleasant.
Had an '08 Focus in October and hated it... Theres a generational change there
but I'm not sure what year.
My grandmother
Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ahhh good point. I had a Focus rental back in '01 when I got married
(my money, base model car) which we drove across New York
state. Really liked the car, very pleasant.
As I recall, the first generation of the Focus was suposed to be a
world car --
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Wilton Strickland wrote:
Right. This guy was noted for being bold/reckless. 'Think they were all
LtCol's aboard, Bomb Sqdn CO, sqdn operations officer (sqdn #2) flying the
airplane, 'don't remember the others; 'think they were all staff weenies.
Supposedly, others wouldn't fly with 'im.
So
So that pull-up maneuver at the beginning -- would that actually be used
for low-altitude drop of a nuke, get a little more distance before the
thing goes off? Or even with that would there be enough distance from
the thing? That must put some good stress on the airframe. I think I
would
Yea, 'already low and slow, flaps full down (maybe 150 kts with best flare
speed at about 130) on a LARGE, HEAVY airplane; 'understand tower said, Go
around. Fool said, OK, I can handle it from right here. 'Pitched
around, fighter style. I suspect significant loss of lift (stall) on that
long,
Finally, someone understands!
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 1:59 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cerberus wants money
I remember the early Japanese cars. I also remember the American cars from
the 60s 70s.
The first Toyotas were so bad that they pulled all but the Land Cruiser back
home to Japan started over.
The first Hondas of the early 70s were death traps the Federal Government
forced them to take the
Cleared out some promotion slots, didn't it?
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Right. This guy was noted for being bold/reckless. 'Think they were all
LtCol's aboard, Bomb Sqdn CO, sqdn operations officer (sqdn #2) flying the
airplane, 'don't
You wouldn't pitch up and around like that to escape on a low run - you'd
more likely be back right beside it doing that. Gotta be straight and level
and tail to burst upon shock arrival. On a low level bomb run, you'd be
going AT LEAST twice as fast as the fool in the pattern; you'd approach
At the risk of being flamed, I'll repeat what I've said about
American manufacturers -- they build dismal vehicles out of junky
parts that one is supposed to discard after two years and borrow more
money to replace.
The newest GM cars are at least not so ugly I want to barf, but face
it,
The best automotive deal in the US in the 90's was a two year old
Chevy Nova. Actually nice cars, since Toyota built them.
However, dealer service was iffy, repairs at the dealer were iffy (it
wasn't a 350 with a carburetor, after all), and GM's reputation
for small cars has still not
What do you guys make of this??
http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/mss/cto/950399157.html
I'm looking to pick up something before mid Jan.
Ed
300E
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Mention of the Vega reminds me. 'Early summer '76; I was Civil Engineer at
George AFB, near Victorville, CA. Daughter was rising junior in college
here in NC. She called and said she and a girl friend were driving friend's
new car to see us for coupla weeks. 'Few days later, they arrived in a
Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If the current GM vehicles look as good and run as well in 20 years
as a current Toyota, I will consider buying one.
That's unrealistic, to put it kindly. The number of people who expect a
car to last that long are not enough to form the market for
Toyota didn't build them. It was one of the joint venture cars manufactured
here in the States.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Peter Frederick
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 6:06 PM
If I were a Canuk, I'd be all over that, in spite of my current
buying freeze. Some opportunities just don't come around often.
At 06:13 PM 12/8/2008, you wrote:
What do you guys make of this??
http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/mss/cto/950399157.html
I'm looking to pick up something before
Wow! Wonder what the import fee would be to give it a proper Southern
home? ;))
Wilton
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From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 7:13 PM
Subject: [MBZ] diesel wagon ??
What do you guys make
Yeah you could see the flaps hanging out there and the spoilers deployed
to roll it over, but then no vert stab to try to right the thing but the
right side spoilers up (killing lift that he needed at that point), not
that it would have done any good. You are correct, low wing stalled,
high
I knew a girl who had a light green (think hospital wall green) Gremlin,
she called it Lima Bean. I think her dad bought it for her, or it got
handed down to her or something. It was actually a decent little car
once you got past the looks.
--R
Tom Hargrave wrote:
The Gremlin was also a
It's absolutely great on gas if that helps. I do wonder though, how
can it be rust free in TO -- they use salt and crap there on the roads?
It would be a great car though, I did not think that model came in a
diesel, at least in NA?
--R
E M wrote:
What do you guys make of this??
Peter wrote: At the risk of being flamed, I'll repeat what I've said about
American manufacturers -- they build dismal vehicles out of junky parts that
one is supposed to discard after two years and borrow more money to replace . .
.
No flame intended in response. I am just curious. What GM
Wilton, I'm sorry, I did not know at the time that was your daughter,
though I guess now in hindsight, oops that does not sound right, uh,
looking back on it, I guess she was someone's daughter, but I have
always been respectful of young ladies in distress, and well, they did
need a place to
The Chevette was a retired British productl -- when it stopped
selling in Britain, GM shipped the tooling to the US and built it here.
Peter
On Dec 8, 2008, at 4:04 PM, R A Bennell wrote:
Maybe, but . . . do you remember the early Japanese cars?
I had relatives that bought Datsun 510's.
Hey check this thing out -- $45 at HF on sale. If you could detach the
sensor from the display with a long wire it would make a nifty set up
for your diesel!
http://www.harborfreightusa.com/usa/itemdisplay/displayItem.do?itemid=41727
--R
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In the midst of all this GM bashing I keep noticing a lot of folks who are
basing their experiences on Vegas, or Chevettes or other crappy GM cars FROM 30
YEARS ago!
Anyone (other than me) have any recent experience with GM cars? Yes, I know
Hursty - you are on your own personal crusade
I'm surprised by the 'Diesel part of it, too..
Wilton
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] diesel wagon ??
It's absolutely great on gas if that helps. I
Hey, let's leave my job out of this. And they are special chutes -- no
need to call names! You missed your target but you did your best, so GOOD
JOB.
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(give retard chute time to deploy and slow the bomb)
I sort of liked my Vega.
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In the midst of all this GM bashing I keep noticing a lot of folks who are
basing their experiences on Vegas, or Chevettes or other crappy GM cars FROM
30 YEARS ago!
Anyone (other than me) have
86 Buick (and my brother had an 85). We both currently drive 87
Benzes. Buick did the best job of all of GM on cars, but they were
still badly designed and had problems due to dumb assembly. I think I
damaged my knee on the headlight swtich getting in that damned car.
Not a patch on the
Of course it is absolutely great on gas because it uses NONE!
Or you could assume the seller is a liar, if he means it runs
absolutely great on gas.
At 06:34 PM 12/8/2008, you wrote:
It's absolutely great on gas if that helps. I do wonder though,
how can it be rust free in TO -- they use
Peter Frederick wrote:
Detroit's legacy costs are their own fault -- the UAW tried to get
them to join up and get behind a universal health care system in the
1930s, 40s, 50s, and 60s,...
So if our country were more communist, GM would be in better shape, and it's
GM's fault the country
How a bout a Buick LaCrosse that had repeated leaks from the
afterthought antenna stuck in a hole punched in the roof with a
crappy grommet, engine controls that left the driver stranded twice,
and a climate control system that had to be replaced at least once
(maybe twice on that one
I have been quite happy with the Dodge caravans, other than the
serviceability issues when you need to change parts, but all vehicles
Mfgd in the past 20-40 years have similar problems with
serviceability access. It is no Mercedes, but they have been
reliable and functional, and are much
My current '88 300E has lived all its life in Toronto, and has very little
rust. Just a bit on one rear wheel well, down low.
I think the secret here to keeping the rust at bay, is to keep them outdoors
in the winter once they're dirt. The really rusty ones have often lived
inside warm garages
I have a 76 Eldo, it is way cool but a real POS build-wise. The motor
and front drive were RV parts, so they are pretty stout. 2000 Suburban,
135k no troubles really except the rear lift glass blew out (who
designed the hinges bonded to glass and the other half not lined up well
on the
LOL, LOL!!! Yea, I knew these comments would be coming, and I'm prepared!
Both of those young women are 51 years old now; whatever happened, maybe
they've/we've gotten over it. 'Don't know that either of 'em brought
anything strange home. I, too, thought the friend looked mighty
Another goodun, Wonko!!!
Wilton
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From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF maneuvers
Hey, let's leave my job out of this. And they are special
I don't know enough about diesels. I know the wagon was available as a
diesel in '87-88 if I'm not mistake, but I thought it was all gassers by '93
?
Maybe worth a call tomorrow.
Ed
300E
2008/12/8 Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's absolutely great on gas if that helps. I do wonder though,
With the beating the CAN dollar has taken recently, you could probably
easily cover the import fee with the savings in todays exchange rate. You
could probably sell off the winter floor mats for a few extra bucks too.
lol.
Ed
300E
2008/12/8 Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wow! Wonder
Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In the midst of all this GM bashing I keep noticing a lot of folks who
are basing their experiences on Vegas, or Chevettes or other crappy GM
cars FROM 30 YEARS ago!
THe lesson to be learned is that when you push crap on your market, they
will hold it
We're all friends here, so I'll share, but you all most promise to never
speak of this again.
I owned a Chevette. Drove it about 150,000 kms, zero problems other than
when through brakes like crazy, which always amazed me for a car that
weighted 300 pounds. I didn't feel like changing a cracked
Well if it is a turbo 2.5-I think that would be a wonderful machine. I love
my 2.5t sedan. AS others have said-I don't think we got them in NA-at least
not in MBUSA. My observation is-from ads and tire kicking- 124's don't rust
anywhere as bad as 123's even here in salty NE. I think price is
Well I drive many new and later model GM products around car lots all day.
Donald Snook wrote:
In the midst of all this GM bashing I keep noticing a lot of folks who are
basing their experiences on Vegas, or Chevettes or other crappy GM cars FROM 30
YEARS ago!
Anyone (other than me) have any
holy crap, why didnt they ever offer that thing over here?
Loren Faeth wrote:
If I were a Canuk, I'd be all over that, in spite of my current buying
freeze. Some opportunities just don't come around often.
At 06:13 PM 12/8/2008, you wrote:
What do you guys make of this??
Like the Eastern Bloc countries who buy the worn out Fiat tooling?
Dan
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cerberus wants money back
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Monday,
Thank you. I will be here all week. Tell your friends. And try the veal.
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Another goodun, Wonko!!!
Wilton
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After it was in the turn, 'couldn't help it - left wing stalled, etc.
Wilton
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Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed
Wilton Strickland
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