Re: [MBZ] Jim Cathey's pictures
On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 22:24:34 -0800 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I'm now waiting for a Firewire CF reader to show up, now that the USB to the camera works. But that can take something like 1/2 hour to unload a full CF card, and that's a lot of camera battery time. Attached is a whole lot of data. This is a week ago or so. MB content: in the back of one picture are two of the MB's that are kept outside. (Naturally, the ones I drive!) Also the new snowblower, still sitting in the back of the truck. -- Jim -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_9446.JPG Type: application/applefile Size: 54006 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/200902 09/aee3465e/attachment.bin What are all the .bin files? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] eBay Winner of the Week
holy crap John Robbins wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320338230171 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.234 / Virus Database: 270.10.20/1944 - Release Date: 02/10/09 07:20:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] IowaQ 2009
Is this an Iowa weenie roaster or an Okie weenie roaster? Mitch. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: weenie roast.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 42318 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090210/23d54b12/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] eBay Winner of the Week
Naughty Naughty to make fun of the way people talk out here in sunny Southern California You wouldn't like it too much if I made fun of Okies now would you Or people from Kentucky?Or anyone but someone in S. California? But it is a really pathetic auction. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jim Cathey's pictures
What are all the .bin files? Huh, how about that. I don't know! All I did was drag the pictures onto the e-mail message and off they went. There are reasons that I normally never do this, and only post links to hosted pictures. (But those pix didn't [yet] qualify as 'keepers'.) The 4GB Sansa Clip (MP3 player w/mini-USB connector that I found on the side of the road when I stopped to tighten the snowblower's tiedowns) works perfectly with the new USB card. I'm using it as a thumb drive, and have copied the web site contents to it for safekeeping. (The poor little thing searches in vain for new MP3's each time I do this.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] IowaQ 2009
An iowaq is a 1 package event. Mitch Haley wrote: Is this an Iowa weenie roaster or an Okie weenie roaster? Mitch. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: weenie roast.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 42318 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090210/23d54b12/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] IowaQ 2009
An Iowa tofu event. On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Is this an Iowa weenie roaster or an Okie weenie roaster? Mitch. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: weenie roast.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 42318 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090210/23d54b12/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090211/ebfd13f4/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
Best looking part of the car... I should have waxed it last fall though, dirt sticks to it really well. No painting projects recently, its been WAY to cold, this week we're above freezing which is nice. Plan in the spring is to paint the whole car, probably with the same technique, should go fast as I don't intend to go to bare metal or change colors. -Curt Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:17:13 -0500 From: Wilton Strickland wilt...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 000701c98bd5$b51de520$0301a...@computer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Curt, how's that rolled hood doing. Any more painting projects recently, or waiting for Spring? Wilton -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090211/b5162e4b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
I think as with everything it depends on how you drive. I do 110 miles a day on the highway, I don't think the coking up you'd worry about on a city car is of the same concern. Never the less I said I run a quart through the car every spring as a tonic. That means ONCE a year I run ONE quart through the car. I thought that was pretty clear but apparently some others do not. -Curt Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:00:53 -0500 From: Archer arche...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 5912bff9942749ad8a5eb201bc5ce...@billardef4d8b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; Format=flowed I thought motor oil and ATF were a no-no if used regularly Gerry -- From: Curt Raymond Motor oil? Per Marshall I run a quart of motor oil through the engine every spring as a tonic. Dunno if it hurts or helps anything but my cars run fine. 240D has a brake leak thats sideline it though... -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090211/5a704194/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
Carbon buildup means you don't drive enough or you drive too slow... Marshall said a quart once a year as a tonic wouldn't hurt anything and might actually (in conjunction with italian tune up style driving) could help with carbon buildup because it would burn hotter than diesel fuel. He also noted that there might be a loss (which I've detected) in fuel economy while using it. I've noted a small reduction in engine noise while using motor oil (at one point I used maybe 10% motor oil because I found a source for $0.25/qt) but it goes away quickly upon return to straight diesel. I'm talking about as a tonic here. If I were using it as a fuel lubrication enhancer I'd talk about a lot less oil, more like a pint per tank. Probably wouldn't hurt anything, probably wouldn't help anything either... -Curt Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:50:54 -0800 From: tyler casi...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 499220ee.7080...@usermail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I don't remember Marshall recommending anything like that either. What good is it supposed to do? Seems like it would just contribute to carbon buildup, and old MB diesels burn enough engine oil as it is! Tyler Allan Streib wrote: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: Per Marshall I run a quart of motor oil through the engine every spring as a tonic. Dunno if it hurts or helps anything but my cars run fine. I recall Marshall being against the ROUTINE use of ANY additive. Additives to address specific issues (e.g. diesel purge) when symptoms presented was another matter. Allan -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090211/21c9a53e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:41:31 -0800 (PST), Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com said: Marshall said a quart once a year as a tonic wouldn't hurt anything and might actually (in conjunction with italian tune up style driving) could help with carbon buildup because it would burn hotter than diesel fuel. Now that you say it that way I do recall that as well. You're talking about NEW motor oil right? I do know he was absolutely opposed to the practice of some who dispose of their old motor oil by dumping it in the fuel tank. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
I recommend him saying that we should add nothing to our engines. --- On Tue, 2/10/09, tyler casi...@usermail.com wrote: From: tyler casi...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 7:50 PM I don't remember Marshall recommending anything like that either. What good is it supposed to do? Seems like it would just contribute to carbon buildup, and old MB diesels burn enough engine oil as it is! Tyler Allan Streib wrote: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: Per Marshall I run a quart of motor oil through the engine every spring as a tonic. Dunno if it hurts or helps anything but my cars run fine. I recall Marshall being against the ROUTINE use of ANY additive. Additives to address specific issues (e.g. diesel purge) when symptoms presented was another matter. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090211/9de27aa2/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
Attaboy! Keep at it. Didn't think you'd been painting any recently - 'had to get in a dig about the temps. ;))) Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled Best looking part of the car... I should have waxed it last fall though, dirt sticks to it really well. No painting projects recently, its been WAY to cold, this week we're above freezing which is nice. Plan in the spring is to paint the whole car, probably with the same technique, should go fast as I don't intend to go to bare metal or change colors. -Curt Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:17:13 -0500 From: Wilton Strickland wilt...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 000701c98bd5$b51de520$0301a...@computer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Curt, how's that rolled hood doing. Any more painting projects recently, or waiting for Spring? Wilton -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090211/b5 162e4b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] eBay Winner of the Week
A product of the liberal american education system. Not sure if this was ebonics or just the way kalifornicated folks spell clay On Feb 11, 2009, at 5:44 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: holy crap John Robbins wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320338230171 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.234 / Virus Database: 270.10.20/1944 - Release Date: 02/10/09 07:20:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] eBay Winner of the Week
I would guess a Guest Worker. --R Redghost wrote: A product of the liberal american education system. Not sure if this was ebonics or just the way kalifornicated folks spell clay On Feb 11, 2009, at 5:44 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: holy crap John Robbins wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320338230171 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.234 / Virus Database: 270.10.20/1944 - Release Date: 02/10/09 07:20:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] pics of new pickup
Uh, what do you put them on? More than just my ears would get cold. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:56 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] pics of new pickup You put on ear muffs. On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 4:45 PM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote: At least it is warmer there. Can't imagine driving that through a snowstorm. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090210/2e1537fb/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
What advantage would there be to a one shot deal? Does not seem to me that the effects would last very long. Could understand if one suggested a quart with every fill or a pint or whatever but once per year seems like it wouldn't be much of an advantage. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:37 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled I think as with everything it depends on how you drive. I do 110 miles a day on the highway, I don't think the coking up you'd worry about on a city car is of the same concern. Never the less I said I run a quart through the car every spring as a tonic. That means ONCE a year I run ONE quart through the car. I thought that was pretty clear but apparently some others do not. -Curt Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:00:53 -0500 From: Archer arche...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 5912bff9942749ad8a5eb201bc5ce...@billardef4d8b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; Format=flowed I thought motor oil and ATF were a no-no if used regularly Gerry -- From: Curt Raymond Motor oil? Per Marshall I run a quart of motor oil through the engine every spring as a tonic. Dunno if it hurts or helps anything but my cars run fine. 240D has a brake leak thats sideline it though... -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090211/5a704194/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] eBay Winner of the Week
It's a SCAM On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I would guess a Guest Worker. --R Redghost wrote: A product of the liberal american education system. Not sure if this was ebonics or just the way kalifornicated folks spell clay On Feb 11, 2009, at 5:44 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: holy crap John Robbins wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320338230171 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.234 / Virus Database: 270.10.20/1944 - Release Date: 02/10/09 07:20:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Anthony -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090211/b536af1a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] eBay Winner of the Week
A liberal education system would be one where everyone gets equal access to a quality education regardless of skin color or social status; not at all what we have here. We have a ten-fold or greater difference in public education spending depending on social class, and black children on average graduate from high school with the equivalent education that white children get by the end of 8th grade. There's nothing liberal about the American public education system. It's just the way the conservatives want it- way underfunded for poor people and minorities to try and keep them from getting the tools they need to stand up and resist the corruption and injustice. Way over funded for wealthy people, to help them keep the system of corruption and injustice in place. It's the conservative American way, but it has to end NOW if we desire a bright future. Tyler Redghost wrote: A product of the liberal american education system. Not sure if this was ebonics or just the way kalifornicated folks spell clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
Yea, I think you're right. I can't see how it would make any difference at all one way or another. As for carbon, and cleaning out the fuel system- I don't think anything compares to an italian tuneup while running 100% Biodiesel! Biodiesel is a really good solvent for cleaning out the engine, it even cleans out the tank (hence the filter clogging). For me, it put out big clouds of old soot the first few times, and after that the engine idles smoother, accelerates quicker, and has ZERO visible smoke except on full throttle. Tyler Curt Raymond wrote: Carbon buildup means you don't drive enough or you drive too slow... Marshall said a quart once a year as a tonic wouldn't hurt anything and might actually (in conjunction with italian tune up style driving) could help with carbon buildup because it would burn hotter than diesel fuel. He also noted that there might be a loss (which I've detected) in fuel economy while using it. I've noted a small reduction in engine noise while using motor oil (at one point I used maybe 10% motor oil because I found a source for $0.25/qt) but it goes away quickly upon return to straight diesel. I'm talking about as a tonic here. If I were using it as a fuel lubrication enhancer I'd talk about a lot less oil, more like a pint per tank. Probably wouldn't hurt anything, probably wouldn't help anything either... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Italian tune up with BioD (was: Re: Keep getting gelled)
while i'm also a BioD fan (50K miles on mostly B100 to date on the 300D), i don't think the Italian tuneup works as well with BioD. not sure why you'd be seeing smoke during the 'tuneup' unless it's just the byproduct of the gunk that's being cleaned out of the fuel system being burned, but i especially have to wonder since we never see *any* smoke out of ours under any conditions when running straight BioD.) firstly, the upside; BioD doesn't build up gunk in the cylinders like #2 does. downside; BioD doesn't generate as much heat in the cylinder, therefore isn't as likely to 'burn off' the gunk like you would with #2. (ever noticed how much more difficult it is to get and keep the coolant temp up when running BioD?) cheers! e tyler wrote: Yea, I think you're right. I can't see how it would make any difference at all one way or another. As for carbon, and cleaning out the fuel system- I don't think anything compares to an italian tuneup while running 100% Biodiesel! Biodiesel is a really good solvent for cleaning out the engine, it even cleans out the tank (hence the filter clogging). For me, it put out big clouds of old soot the first few times, and after that the engine idles smoother, accelerates quicker, and has ZERO visible smoke except on full throttle. Tyler Curt Raymond wrote: Carbon buildup means you don't drive enough or you drive too slow... Marshall said a quart once a year as a tonic wouldn't hurt anything and might actually (in conjunction with italian tune up style driving) could help with carbon buildup because it would burn hotter than diesel fuel. He also noted that there might be a loss (which I've detected) in fuel economy while using it. I've noted a small reduction in engine noise while using motor oil (at one point I used maybe 10% motor oil because I found a source for $0.25/qt) but it goes away quickly upon return to straight diesel. I'm talking about as a tonic here. If I were using it as a fuel lubrication enhancer I'd talk about a lot less oil, more like a pint per tank. Probably wouldn't hurt anything, probably wouldn't help anything either... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090211/3f2d079a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
Hooo yeah he'd have written in all caps if you'd talked about used motor oil... He also said to use a water sequestering agent a couple times a year (I do spring and fall) and an algecide if your fuel filters plugged. -Curt Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:55:45 -0500 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 1234364145.6510.1299789...@webmail.messagingengine.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:41:31 -0800 (PST), Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com said: Marshall said a quart once a year as a tonic wouldn't hurt anything and might actually (in conjunction with italian tune up style driving) could help with carbon buildup because it would burn hotter than diesel fuel. Now that you say it that way I do recall that as well. You're talking about NEW motor oil right? I do know he was absolutely opposed to the practice of some who dispose of their old motor oil by dumping it in the fuel tank. Allan -- 1983 300D -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090211/ef39bb6f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
Its right warm today, supposed to hit 53F. I'm fixin to go get coffee in a different building and might not even wear a coat... The warm weather is all hell on snowmobiling though. I wanted to ride on Sunday but didn't dare, it was in the mid 40's and the snow softened up. If you ride when its warm like that you rip up the base of the trail. Even if it gets cold again we won't get any more base making snow this winter... -Curt Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:45:19 -0500 From: Wilton Strickland wilt...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 002701c98c5f$befe7a20$0301a...@computer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Attaboy! Keep at it. Didn't think you'd been painting any recently - 'had to get in a dig about the temps. ;))) Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled Best looking part of the car... I should have waxed it last fall though, dirt sticks to it really well. No painting projects recently, its been WAY to cold, this week we're above freezing which is nice. Plan in the spring is to paint the whole car, probably with the same technique, should go fast as I don't intend to go to bare metal or change colors. -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090211/983c39b9/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] eBay Winner of the Week
Could be both. --R Anthony Galioto wrote: It's a SCAM On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I would guess a Guest Worker. --R Redghost wrote: A product of the liberal american education system. Not sure if this was ebonics or just the way kalifornicated folks spell clay On Feb 11, 2009, at 5:44 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: holy crap John Robbins wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320338230171 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.234 / Virus Database: 270.10.20/1944 - Release Date: 02/10/09 07:20:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090211/b1943b9f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
I remember Marshall recommending this too, but only for engines that do not see full temp, highway driving. I believe that he recommended 10w oil only and really reamed one guy when he substituted ATF for 10w motor oil. I used to do this on my 190d, since it was really worn out. I think I did it once on my '79 240D engine after it sat in my driveway for 3 years waiting to get transplanted in my current '77 240D back to lurking Dave Liddell '77 240D Lynnwood, WA -- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:41:31 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 351936.89923...@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Carbon buildup means you don't drive enough or you drive too slow... Marshall said a quart once a year as a tonic wouldn't hurt anything and might actually (in conjunction with italian tune up style driving) could help with carbon buildup because it would burn hotter than diesel fuel. He also noted that there might be a loss (which I've detected) in fuel economy while using it. I've noted a small reduction in engine noise while using motor oil (at one point I used maybe 10% motor oil because I found a source for $0.25/qt) but it goes away quickly upon return to straight diesel. I'm talking about as a tonic here. If I were using it as a fuel lubrication enhancer I'd talk about a lot less oil, more like a pint per tank. Probably wouldn't hurt anything, probably wouldn't help anything either... -Curt Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:50:54 -0800 From: tyler casi...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 499220ee.7080...@usermail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I don't remember Marshall recommending anything like that either. What good is it supposed to do? Seems like it would just contribute to carbon buildup, and old MB diesels burn enough engine oil as it is! Tyler ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Drcolorchip
I've seen their ad in RT recently and went to their website to learn more ( http://drcolorchip.com/ ) and was wondering if anyone on our list has used this stuff? TIA. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090211/cec96a19/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
Curt Raymond wrote: Hooo yeah he'd have written in all caps if you'd talked about used motor oil... Wasn't the purpose of the oil to increase combustion temps and help the Italian Tuneup? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT - plasma torch
Few weeks ago, somebody was talking 'bout a small, portable plasma torch or
cutter. What was that?
Artist friend at lunch today was expressing some interest in such and
scoffed much when I ried to tell 'im you guys were discussing such as being
available somewhere. He uses humpteen-dollar ('spensive) plasma
torches/cutters in his steel plant. What was it, and where available?
Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
Dimitri Seretakis wrote: I recommend him saying that we should add nothing to our engines. I think so to. IIRC, he said the only time to add something was when we were experiencing a problem. If we were to put something in he recommended Diesel Purge or Techron. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
I wonder if, to improve lubrication of ULSD, adding a small amount of 2-stroke oil would have benefits? Allan -- 1983 300D On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:24:32 -0600, John Robbins je...@msstate.edu said: Dimitri Seretakis wrote: I recommend him saying that we should add nothing to our engines. I think so to. IIRC, he said the only time to add something was when we were experiencing a problem. If we were to put something in he recommended Diesel Purge or Techron. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
Allan Streib wrote: I wonder if, to improve lubrication of ULSD, adding a small amount of 2-stroke oil would have benefits? How long have all of us been driving on ULSD? Personally, I've put over 20k on the CDI, and there are MANY other people who have put on more in all sorts of different cars. After the first six months of people bitching and moaning about mostly coincidental leaks, you don't hear about any more problems I just drive to a high traffic diesel pump, fill up, and don't worry about it... John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:36:44 -0600, John Robbins je...@msstate.edu said: How long have all of us been driving on ULSD? Personally, I've put over 20k on the CDI, and there are MANY other people who have put on more in all sorts of different cars. After the first six months of people bitching and moaning about mostly coincidental leaks, you don't hear about any more problems The CDI was designed in Europe at a time when ULSD was already the standard there correct? The older pumps used on OM617s and the older engines may have been designed with the expectation that there was more lubrication in the fuel than ULSD has Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - plasma torch
The nicest and smallest I've seen is by far the Miller
(http://www.millerwelds.com/products/plasma/spectrum_375_x-treme/).
Comes with a shoulder strap. Not terribly powerful.
There are plans aplenty floating around on how to make you own out of
an old microwave magnetron, chewing gum, and duct tape. They will also
keep your lunch warm if you sit it nearby.
-Dave Walton
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Wilton Strickland wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
Few weeks ago, somebody was talking 'bout a small, portable plasma torch or
cutter. What was that?
Artist friend at lunch today was expressing some interest in such and
scoffed much when I ried to tell 'im you guys were discussing such as being
available somewhere. He uses humpteen-dollar ('spensive) plasma
torches/cutters in his steel plant. What was it, and where available?
Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] OT - plasma torch
On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:10:47 -0500, dave walton walton.d...@gmail.com said: The nicest and smallest I've seen is by far the Miller (http://www.millerwelds.com/products/plasma/spectrum_375_x-treme/). Comes with a shoulder strap. Not terribly powerful. There are plans aplenty floating around on how to make you own out of an old microwave magnetron, chewing gum, and duct tape. No Shoe Goo? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] eBay Winner of the Week
Tyler wrote: A liberal education system would be one where everyone gets equal access to a quality education regardless of skin color or social status; not at all what we have here. We have a ten-fold or greater difference in public education spending depending on social class, and black children on average graduate from high school with the equivalent education that white children get by the end of 8th grade. There's nothing liberal about the American public education system. It's just the way the conservatives want it- way underfunded for poor people and minorities to try and keep them from getting the tools they need to stand up and resist the corruption and injustice. Way over funded for wealthy people, to help them keep the system of corruption and injustice in place. It's the conservative American way, but it has to end NOW if we desire a bright future. I was tempted to respond to this with as scathing a response that I could muster. HOWEVER, this sure sounds like politics and belongs on banned-lite. I am taking Kaleb's direction to heart. No politics on this list - I wish the author of this little rant would do the same. Donald H. Snook An educated conservative who doesn't hate the poor or minorities, but does hate idiocy -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090211/d76a0a7f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
Allan Streib wrote: The older pumps used on OM617s and the older engines may have been designed with the expectation that there was more lubrication in the fuel than ULSD has I've also put about 20k miles on my 2.5T as well (brother drives it now). No problems at all. ULSD should meet the ASTM specifications for diesel... and there are lubricity requirements... I do not believe the lubricity requirements decreased in the specification, and as a result, the refineries should have added additives of their own to make the ULSD meet the lubricity requirements. My $.02 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Motor Oil as a tonic Per FM Booth
My memory decieved me, it was not 10w oil it was 10w 30. Here it is from the old man himself; Dave Liddell '77 240D Lynnwood, WA. Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:12:50 -0400 From: Marshall Booth mboo...@pitt.edu Subject: Re: [DIESEL] acceleration test Well, Diesel Purge isn't very potent if you run it through in a tank of fuel (even two bottles in a tank). It was designed to be run through the engine straight (disconnecting the hoses and running on JUST DP with the supply and return hoses in the DP bottle). If the engine starts instantly sometimes and take several turns sometimes, then fuel is slow getting to the engine properly. That could be the injection pump misbehaving (not likely, but possible) or an injector or two that are less then optimal. It COULD be several other things too, but a really clean engine running on synthetic oil seldom behaves this way except from a fuel problem. If you use conventional oil, then I'd recommend that you change to synthetic and see if that makes a difference especially in how fast the engine cranks over and starts. This will take many thousands of miles for all the benefits to max out, but it's improved every one of my engines more then ANY other thing I've ever done to them (other the replacing BROKEN parts or connecting things that were disconnected or plugged up). There is ONE final CHEAP trick I use when nothing else seems to work (and it DOES work more the 50% of the time) and I've run out of inexpensive ideas. Put a qt of 10W30 conventional motor oil in the fuel tank and drive the car (hard at least a little of the time). The engine should seem quite smooth, but ever slightly lower in power with the oil in the fuel. When the tank is nearly empty refill with just #2 and see if the engine doesn't have more power and is smoother then before and usually starts faster? Marshall - -- Marshall Booth der Dieseling Doktor mboo...@pitt.edu '87 300TD 150Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 205Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 224Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 154Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 200+kmi, '84 190D 2.2 234Kmi dismantled Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] eBay Winner of the Week
Sorry, I missed that. I'm not on banned anymore since I get enough e-mails as it is on here Tyler Donald Snook wrote: I was tempted to respond to this with as scathing a response that I could muster. HOWEVER, this sure sounds like politics and belongs on banned-lite. I am taking Kaleb's direction to heart. No politics on this list - I wish the author of this little rant would do the same. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fwd: OT -- DIY Plasma Cutter
Wilton, et al. Plama Cutter? Fred Moir Lynn MA Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 11:50:16 -0500 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net http://www.instructables.com/id/HOMEMADE_PLASMA_CUTTER/ --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] eBay Winner of the Week
It is liberal in that you can try to teach them anything, as long as it builds self esteem. The quality is not really what the liberals want, they want to be able to say that with the infusions of cash, the little kiddies are getting edjumukated right good. Union teachers get to teach and taxes are paid to support schools. Looks great on paper. clay On Feb 11, 2009, at 9:57 AM, tyler wrote: A liberal education system would be one where everyone gets equal access to a quality education regardless of skin color or social status; not at all what we have here. We have a ten-fold or greater difference in public education spending depending on social class, and black children on average graduate from high school with the equivalent education that white children get by the end of 8th grade. There's nothing liberal about the American public education system. It's just the way the conservatives want it- way underfunded for poor people and minorities to try and keep them from getting the tools they need to stand up and resist the corruption and injustice. Way over funded for wealthy people, to help them keep the system of corruption and injustice in place. It's the conservative American way, but it has to end NOW if we desire a bright future. Tyler Redghost wrote: A product of the liberal american education system. Not sure if this was ebonics or just the way kalifornicated folks spell clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Italian tune up with BioD
The smoke is just from clearing out the exhaust carbon on an old engine that has been driven slow. Only happens the first time I drive an old diesel vehicle regardless of the fuel... I've never noticed any difference in coolant temps with Biodiesel. My understanding is that biodiesel burns hotter, which is why it's more efficient, but also produces more NoX emissions. Tyler ernest breakfield wrote: while i'm also a BioD fan (50K miles on mostly B100 to date on the 300D), i don't think the Italian tuneup works as well with BioD. not sure why you'd be seeing smoke during the 'tuneup' unless it's just the byproduct of the gunk that's being cleaned out of the fuel system being burned, but i especially have to wonder since we never see *any* smoke out of ours under any conditions when running straight BioD.) firstly, the upside; BioD doesn't build up gunk in the cylinders like #2 does. downside; BioD doesn't generate as much heat in the cylinder, therefore isn't as likely to 'burn off' the gunk like you would with #2. (ever noticed how much more difficult it is to get and keep the coolant temp up when running BioD?) cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Motor Oil as a tonic Per FM Booth
um...oil burns hotter and this (what Marchall suggests) acts as a type of Italian tune-up? Chris --- On Wed, 2/11/09, dbl...@comcast.net dbl...@comcast.net wrote: From: dbl...@comcast.net dbl...@comcast.net Subject: [MBZ] Motor Oil as a tonic Per FM Booth To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 3:23 PM My memory decieved me, it was not 10w oil it was 10w 30. Here it is from the old man himself; Dave Liddell '77 240D Lynnwood, WA. Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:12:50 -0400 From: Marshall Booth mboo...@pitt.edu Subject: Re: [DIESEL] acceleration test Well, Diesel Purge isn't very potent if you run it through in a tank of fuel (even two bottles in a tank). It was designed to be run through the engine straight (disconnecting the hoses and running on JUST DP with the supply and return hoses in the DP bottle). If the engine starts instantly sometimes and take several turns sometimes, then fuel is slow getting to the engine properly. That could be the injection pump misbehaving (not likely, but possible) or an injector or two that are less then optimal. It COULD be several other things too, but a really clean engine running on synthetic oil seldom behaves this way except from a fuel problem. If you use conventional oil, then I'd recommend that you change to synthetic and see if that makes a difference especially in how fast the engine cranks over and starts. This will take many thousands of miles for all the benefits to max out, but it's improved every one of my engines more then ANY other thing I've ever done to them (other the replacing BROKEN parts or connecting things that were disconnected or plugged up). There is ONE final CHEAP trick I use when nothing else seems to work (and it DOES work more the 50% of the time) and I've run out of inexpensive ideas. Put a qt of 10W30 conventional motor oil in the fuel tank and drive the car (hard at least a little of the time). The engine should seem quite smooth, but ever slightly lower in power with the oil in the fuel. When the tank is nearly empty refill with just #2 and see if the engine doesn't have more power and is smoother then before and usually starts faster? Marshall - -- Marshall Booth der Dieseling Doktor mboo...@pitt.edu '87 300TD 150Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 205Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 224Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 154Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 200+kmi, '84 190D 2.2 234Kmi dismantled Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: OT -- DIY Plasma Cutter
My inquisitive friend is an engineer/inventor and innovator - only 92 years old and still enjoys a challenge; 'been building fluid (yes, that's FLUID, including fuel) storage tanks (steel, al, fiberglass) for MANY years. 'Bet he'll build a torch; 'maybe improve it. I'll give 'im this info tomorrow. Thanks. Wilton - Original Message - From: Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.net To: Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:54 PM Subject: [MBZ] Fwd: OT -- DIY Plasma Cutter Wilton, et al. Plama Cutter? Fred Moir Lynn MA Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 11:50:16 -0500 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net http://www.instructables.com/id/HOMEMADE_PLASMA_CUTTER/ --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Italian tune up with BioD
tyler wrote: The smoke is just from clearing out the exhaust carbon on an old engine that has been driven slow. Only happens the first time I drive an old diesel vehicle regardless of the fuel... OK, that i can agree with that; sorry, but that didn't sound like what you were saying in your previous post. I've never noticed any difference in coolant temps with Biodiesel. My understanding is that biodiesel burns hotter, which is why it's more efficient, but also produces more NoX emissions. while it is true that BioD has a higher Flash Point, IIRC, Flash Point doesn't correlate necessarily with burn temp under ignition by compression. perhaps one of the more scientifically qualified list members can enlighten us more on this if we haven't bored everyone else away by now... ;-) it's been our experience (predictable, repeatable, and verifiable) that our 300D will run about the same temp on the highway at speed regardless of fuel used, but always idle down to a lower temp when running BioD around town than when running #2. there are a number of variables that i can't pretend to know all of that can affect this, including burn temps, burn time, and (perhaps?) ignition point in the cycle. i've spoken with several other BioD users in the local fleet (i'm in Berkeley, so not surprisingly there are thousands around here!) and some of them have noticed the same thing. as an aside, some members of the SVO/WVO crowd have even taken to running higher temp T'stats to try to keep the temps up because the effect is even more pronounced when running VO. the final word is still out on NoX emissions; looks like some of the early reports of higher NoX output from BioD were parroted ad nauseum in spite of the fact that the testing was apparently very limited, and subsequent experimentation and testing may be casting some doubt on the validity and/or severity of what we heard in those early reports. experimentation has shown for quite some time already that simply adjusting the injection timing can have an effect on the NoX output when no other variables are changed, but i never hear that addressed when people are screaming about the higher NoX. although it's come more into the spotlight over the last few years, it's clear we're still on the frontier WRT BioD and non-petroleum fuels. thank goodness bicycle technology is more established (in spite of what you hear from the marketing departments that are all trying to sell you their latest 'advancement'); i'd rather ride one of my bikes anyway! ;-) cheers! e Tyler ernest breakfield wrote: while i'm also a BioD fan (50K miles on mostly B100 to date on the 300D), i don't think the Italian tuneup works as well with BioD. not sure why you'd be seeing smoke during the 'tuneup' unless it's just the byproduct of the gunk that's being cleaned out of the fuel system being burned, but i especially have to wonder since we never see *any* smoke out of ours under any conditions when running straight BioD.) firstly, the upside; BioD doesn't build up gunk in the cylinders like #2 does. downside; BioD doesn't generate as much heat in the cylinder, therefore isn't as likely to 'burn off' the gunk like you would with #2. (ever noticed how much more difficult it is to get and keep the coolant temp up when running BioD?) cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Italian tune up with BioD
Bio-diesel is methy eslers of fatty acids rather than mostly long chain hydrocarbons with some aromatics. It burns cleaner and ignites more easily that diesel fuel due to the presence of several oxygen atoms in each molecule of biodiesel. Combustion temperature is more affected by boost than by exact fuel, I think -- it's similar energy density and that's all that's going to affect the actual combustion temperature. The fact that it ignites better and burns cleaner, especially at idle, means that it produces less soot and more power per volume injected, and this will indeed lead to running cooler at idle -- my 300D will go cold at idle in the winter if there is a good breeze. Don't confuse combustion temperature with exhaust gas temperature --- you have have very high exhaust gas temp due to late injection with low combustion temps, for instance, due to fuel still being injected late in the expansion cycle and hence still burning when the exhaust valve opens. The main benefit of bio-diesel, aside from reduced carbon footprint, is much less soot. Dramatically less, in fact -- I don't see any smoke at all on the 300D using bio-diesel. This means less fuel wasted and less waste heat for the same power output. I don't think there is enough difference in any of the fuels to affect the formation of nitrogen oxides. These are formed by the combustion heat in the presence of a full charge of air, and unlike gasoline engines where the combustion temperature can easily be reduced by adding exhaust, on a diesel the amount produced varies with load, engine speed, and fuel delivery. Highest at mid-load, lowest at full fuel delivery (combustion temps go down as the ratio of fuel to air goes rich -- that's why they smoke at full load), and moderate at idle. EGR helps, but will not reduce levels to that of gasoline engines, and catalysts are a real problem due to the large amounts of oxygen in the exhaust (they would go white hot and melt under load). Peter On Feb 11, 2009, at 5:51 PM, ernest breakfield wrote: tyler wrote: The smoke is just from clearing out the exhaust carbon on an old engine that has been driven slow. Only happens the first time I drive an old diesel vehicle regardless of the fuel... OK, that i can agree with that; sorry, but that didn't sound like what you were saying in your previous post. I've never noticed any difference in coolant temps with Biodiesel. My understanding is that biodiesel burns hotter, which is why it's more efficient, but also produces more NoX emissions. while it is true that BioD has a higher Flash Point, IIRC, Flash Point doesn't correlate necessarily with burn temp under ignition by compression. perhaps one of the more scientifically qualified list members can enlighten us more on this if we haven't bored everyone else away by now... ;-) it's been our experience (predictable, repeatable, and verifiable) that our 300D will run about the same temp on the highway at speed regardless of fuel used, but always idle down to a lower temp when running BioD around town than when running #2. there are a number of variables that i can't pretend to know all of that can affect this, including burn temps, burn time, and (perhaps?) ignition point in the cycle. i've spoken with several other BioD users in the local fleet (i'm in Berkeley, so not surprisingly there are thousands around here!) and some of them have noticed the same thing. as an aside, some members of the SVO/WVO crowd have even taken to running higher temp T'stats to try to keep the temps up because the effect is even more pronounced when running VO. the final word is still out on NoX emissions; looks like some of the early reports of higher NoX output from BioD were parroted ad nauseum in spite of the fact that the testing was apparently very limited, and subsequent experimentation and testing may be casting some doubt on the validity and/or severity of what we heard in those early reports. experimentation has shown for quite some time already that simply adjusting the injection timing can have an effect on the NoX output when no other variables are changed, but i never hear that addressed when people are screaming about the higher NoX. although it's come more into the spotlight over the last few years, it's clear we're still on the frontier WRT BioD and non- petroleum fuels. thank goodness bicycle technology is more established (in spite of what you hear from the marketing departments that are all trying to sell you their latest 'advancement'); i'd rather ride one of my bikes anyway! ;-) cheers! e Tyler ernest breakfield wrote: while i'm also a BioD fan (50K miles on mostly B100 to date on the 300D), i don't think the Italian tuneup works as well with BioD. not sure why you'd be seeing smoke during the 'tuneup' unless it's just the byproduct of
Re: [MBZ] eBay Winner of the Week
OK, this is a subject for banned or banned lite. tyler wrote: A liberal education system would be one where everyone gets equal access to a quality education regardless of skin color or social status; not at all what we have here. We have a ten-fold or greater difference in public education spending depending on social class, and black children on average graduate from high school with the equivalent education that white children get by the end of 8th grade. There's nothing liberal about the American public education system. It's just the way the conservatives want it- way underfunded for poor people and minorities to try and keep them from getting the tools they need to stand up and resist the corruption and injustice. Way over funded for wealthy people, to help them keep the system of corruption and injustice in place. It's the conservative American way, but it has to end NOW if we desire a bright future. Tyler Redghost wrote: A product of the liberal american education system. Not sure if this was ebonics or just the way kalifornicated folks spell clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] eBay Winner of the Week
I would love to discuss it over there!! Donald Snook wrote: Tyler wrote: A liberal education system would be one where everyone gets equal access to a quality education regardless of skin color or social status; not at all what we have here. We have a ten-fold or greater difference in public education spending depending on social class, and black children on average graduate from high school with the equivalent education that white children get by the end of 8th grade. There's nothing liberal about the American public education system. It's just the way the conservatives want it- way underfunded for poor people and minorities to try and keep them from getting the tools they need to stand up and resist the corruption and injustice. Way over funded for wealthy people, to help them keep the system of corruption and injustice in place. It's the conservative American way, but it has to end NOW if we desire a bright future. I was tempted to respond to this with as scathing a response that I could muster. HOWEVER, this sure sounds like politics and belongs on banned-lite. I am taking Kaleb's direction to heart. No politics on this list - I wish the author of this little rant would do the same. Donald H. Snook An educated conservative who doesn't hate the poor or minorities, but does hate idiocy -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090211/d76a0a7f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.234 / Virus Database: 270.10.22/1946 - Release Date: 02/10/09 07:20:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] eBay Winner of the Week
we also have banned lite, which does not get very much traffic tyler wrote: Sorry, I missed that. I'm not on banned anymore since I get enough e-mails as it is on here Tyler Donald Snook wrote: I was tempted to respond to this with as scathing a response that I could muster. HOWEVER, this sure sounds like politics and belongs on banned-lite. I am taking Kaleb's direction to heart. No politics on this list - I wish the author of this little rant would do the same. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.234 / Virus Database: 270.10.22/1946 - Release Date: 02/10/09 07:20:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: OT -- DIY Plasma Cutter
I missed that, but now the Instructable is gone. Something about microwave ovens? I'm strangely intrigued... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: OT -- DIY Plasma Cutter
Yes, and my friend who asked about it at lunch today and me, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: OT -- DIY Plasma Cutter I missed that, but now the Instructable is gone. Something about microwave ovens? I'm strangely intrigued... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: OT -- DIY Plasma Cutter
Anybody copy the instructions and can post 'em? Wilton - Original Message - From: Wilton Strickland wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: OT -- DIY Plasma Cutter Yes, and my friend who asked about it at lunch today and me, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: OT -- DIY Plasma Cutter I missed that, but now the Instructable is gone. Something about microwave ovens? I'm strangely intrigued... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] eBay Winner of the Week
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: we also have banned lite, which does not get very much traffic Yeah, sometimes I feel like I'm half the traffic there and Rich is another third of it, and all I do is repost the occasional tidbit of economic commentary that I read in the morning. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] IowaQ 2009
What did you call the last event then? z Wonko the Sane wrote: An Iowa tofu event. On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Is this an Iowa weenie roaster or an Okie weenie roaster? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Boeing
Notice all the Union jobs are protected. More job banks, only now under a different name, still getting paid for doing nothing. At 09:35 PM 2/10/2009, you wrote: Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com writes: I do understand that, but the national media doesn't and doesn't care. all they care about is what the latest starlet does and what the democrat party does. So we get brittany spears latest whatever and mesiah worship, and that is supposed to be news. Meanwhile GM plans to lay off 10,000 under their stimulus plan restructuring. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
I think it was $45 for a case of 4 gallons last fall. (on sale) At a truckstop. At 10:42 PM 2/10/2009, you wrote: On the 'net it's $31.00 per half gallon including freight which treats 250 gallon which would be about 12 cents per gallon Truck stop prices might be lower since over half the 'net costs is freight. I'll check next time I go through Wildwood. Thanks, Loren Gerry From: Loren Faeth I don't think it is the cheapest, but Howes Diesel Treat is probably one of the better products out there. It is not billed as a lubricant, but if you read the description, it appears to add lubricity among other things. Around this part of the country, truckstops stock lots of it. At 04:46 PM 2/10/2009, you wrote: I wonder what's the cheapest lubricant additive that can be used? ULSD is the only fuel that's available around here. Gerry - From: Loren Faeth In theory, I think ULSD is supposed to be lubricated with some additive. If you trust your fuel source, then you should be fine. After finding gasoline that won't burn at temps under 10 below, I don't trust any fuel source anymore. As I have said before, when price disruptions occur, fuel quality seems to suffer. You can choose to add lubricants/conditioners if you want. I generally don't, but I wonder if I should. At 11:48 AM 2/9/2009, you wrote: It'll take a while to really be sure but my 190D has 30-40,000 miles on ULSD with no noticable effect. -Curt -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.234 / Virus Database: 270.10.20/1944 - Release Date: 02/10/09 17:44:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Wastegate hose
The wastegate hose on my '85 OM617 was falling apart. I was 700 miles (1100 km) from home, so I bought some 3/8 hose at a FLAP. I see that Rusty has one that claims silicone. Is it worth replacing the rubber fuel line I have on there now? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
i.e. a medium or large truck stop, Love's, Pilot, Petro, T/A, Flying J, etc... Luther John Robbins wrote: Allan Streib wrote: I wonder if, to improve lubrication of ULSD, adding a small amount of 2-stroke oil would have benefits? How long have all of us been driving on ULSD? Personally, I've put over 20k on the CDI, and there are MANY other people who have put on more in all sorts of different cars. After the first six months of people bitching and moaning about mostly coincidental leaks, you don't hear about any more problems I just drive to a high traffic diesel pump, fill up, and don't worry about it... John -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Boeing
Loren, Nice theory. And I don't understand the issue with the job bank anyway, the program was developed for the company's benefit. As designed, a certain staff level was retained in the job bank as a short term buffer and this work force was applied to short term jobs in the company as needed. Years ago, my wife was in the Chrysler job bank and they rarely sat idle - they worked all over the Huntsville facility. Eliminating the job bank was more of a political move than a sound business decision. Without the job bank, the factories have to over staff a small percentage across all departments to cover shortfalls left by Employees on vacation medical leave. Sure, some in the job bank sat idle, but the cost is more without the job bank because the company no longer has the luxury of a smaller, floating work force that can be used where needed. A lot of these decisions are being made to appease Congress, a group of elected officials who don't have a clue about how to run a large corporation. But I don't expect you to understand this - your comments, including this one, have all been anti-union regardless of logic. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Boeing Notice all the Union jobs are protected. More job banks, only now under a different name, still getting paid for doing nothing. At 09:35 PM 2/10/2009, you wrote: Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com writes: I do understand that, but the national media doesn't and doesn't care. all they care about is what the latest starlet does and what the democrat party does. So we get brittany spears latest whatever and mesiah worship, and that is supposed to be news. Meanwhile GM plans to lay off 10,000 under their stimulus plan restructuring. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.20/1944 - Release Date: 2/10/2009 5:44 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.20/1944 - Release Date: 2/10/2009 5:44 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: OT -- DIY Plasma Cutter
Anybody copy the instructions and can post 'em? I found some instructions on You-tube, and the main feature is a rectified 220V household current supply, with air compressor and a spark starter. A commercial head was used. The main concern was getting a high-current electrically-isolated (and thus safety-groundable) source of power. Hmm, I have about 150A of 220V available from Big Bertha, three-phase even so the cut could be quite clean... With that kind of power behind it, 1 steel should be doable. Finding 6 (3-phase) 150A 660V diodes cheaply could be a bit difficult, though. On a more modest scale, I would think that your basic rope-pull 220V generator could do a pretty respectable job in the 1/4 territory, and safely. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wastegate hose
Silicone will handle the extreme heat much better than rubber. Luther Fmiser wrote: The wastegate hose on my '85 OM617 was falling apart. I was 700 miles (1100 km) from home, so I bought some 3/8 hose at a FLAP. I see that Rusty has one that claims silicone. Is it worth replacing the rubber fuel line I have on there now? -- Philip -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
