Re: [MBZ] unsubscribe

[Ed Booher]

On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr  wrote:
> OK-I guess I have enough of my own family and want MB here- I have unsubbed
> many times but come back to see If the number of OT's that I have to delete
> is less than the MB content ones.  Unlike, Gary I am interested in how much
> Mobil 1 somebody burns or uses-I am a gearhead.
> I won't push this any further-I have had my say.
> Dwight

I would like to voice my opinion on this issue. I am as much or more,
a tech head than a gearhead. I am subscribed to *multiple* tech lists.
Some of these have a very strict on topic rule. NANOG (The North
American Network Operators Group) and NERC (North [American] Electric
Regulatory Council) are some of the strictest.

With these groups, I do read or interact with them when I have a
technical issue arise. Otherwise, my current unread message header is
showing 1,718 for NANOG specifically. I do *not* read the group, just
to read the group. Nor do I interact with *any* of the list members
just to interact. If I do not have a need, I ignore them.

If this group went strict on topic, I'm very afraid it would die. As a
matter of fact look at the MB Vets list that Kaleb also runs. The last
post on there was from last week, asking if the list was still alive,
because the last post before that was several months before.

The entire reason this group works the way it does is *because* it is
off topic tolerant. People are here *reading* the discussions, not
ignoring them. So that when a relevant on topic question is asked, it
gets noticed, and responded to, and responded to, and then fought
about.

The Vets group, a question gets asked, then ignored, and then 6 to 7
years later an answer comes along. By which time you've either sold
the car because you couldn't figure it out, or you've asked the
question here and gotten an answer.

Just my two cents,

EdB

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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

[Ed Booher]

On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Tom Hargrave  wrote:
> I just realized that I belong to a group of closed minded snobs who believe
> that the American Auto industry should die. These same people have no
> interest in alternate opinions and will not take the time to look at the
> impact on our economy or the people who work for them and I officially quit.
>
> And, by the way, this group just lost a technical resource - me.
>
> By
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave

I personally take great personal offense to being called a closed
minded snob. While I have love for vehicles from Chevrolet, Ford and
Chrysler I have to say that most of the 90's specifically is a blur.
Very few people, even here, are old enough to truly remember that
General Motors didn't spring forth fully formed. It was started by
William Durant after building Buick into the largest auto manufacturer
in the U.S. That was 1908

Ransom Eli Olds, the founder of Oldsmobile, also was the founder of
the REO Motor Company (as in the REO Speedwagon) and the Olds Motor
Vehicle Company. Oldsmobile was acquired by GM late in 1908.

In 1909 GM bought Cadillac and a little company called Oakland Motor
Car Company of Pontiac, Michigan. In 1926 the Pontiac built on
Oakland's lines was introduced and outsold it's parent. Causing
Oakland to fade and become Pontiac which we all know was recently
closed.

Ah, Cadillac. Such a beautiful car company. Co-founded in 1901 by
Henry Ford as the Henry Ford Company. Ford, who did not get along with
a consultant hired by another co-founder, left his own company.
William Murphy renamed the company to Cadillac Automobile Company.

Which was also Henry Ford's second company anyway, his first the
Detroit Automobile Company was only solvent for two very short years.
His third company, the Ford Motor Company also had several
co-founders. Two of these, Horace Dodge and John Dodge, were better
known as the Dodge Brothers. Co-founders of the Dodge Brothers Company
in 1900.

However, tragedy struck and both Dodge brothers died the same year.
Enter a former president of General Motors and founder of his own
newly fledged car company. Walter Percy Chrysler. Also a founder of
the DeSoto Motor Company and Plymouth Motor Company.

The big three  such a laugh really when you think long and hard
about it. Being a born and bred native of Indianapolis, IN, I grew up
driving past the Auburn/Cord/Duesenberg Building. Dusenberg put Rolls
Royce to shame and coined a phrase known the world over, "It's a
Doozy"

Cord was the first ever front wheel drive car.

Auburn, Cord, Dusenberg, Willy's Overland, AMC, Plymouth, DeSoto,
Pontiac, REO, Olds Motor, Detroit Automobile, Henry Ford Company,
Studebaker, Checker Motors, Edsel, Hudson, Imperial, Mercury, Nash,
Packard, Pierce-Arrow, Stutz, and many many more I'm sure.

What do they all have in common? All *American* car companies that are
now dead and gone. I don't believe the American Auto Industry *should*
die, I believe it *is* dying and has been since the very first car was
built in this country. But like a phoenix, it will continue to
resurrect itself. We *may* see the end of one of the current big
three, but it will only leave a hole for a new company to appear.

Oh wait, Tesla Motors, Inc. creator of electric cars and a look
forward. Maybe they are poised to become the next 100 year American
Auto Manufacturer.

Yes, Tom. I sent this to your personal address as well. You want to
get into a snit and run away, that's your choice, but next time you
make such a statement to a *diverse* community of people, maybe you
should look in the mirror and find out exactly where the finger is
pointing.

EdB

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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

[Ed Booher]

On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Rick Knoble  wrote:
>> the foreign companies building here dont have union workers do they?
>>
>
> Not yet.
>
> Rick

Not ever, in my opinion. That's one of the things that the Japanese
especially will not allow. They are here because we have so much open
land that has no current use though it is serviceable land unlike many
other places in the world. Look at England (specifically the actual
British Isles), look at Japan itself. These places have been populated
for hundreds of years past what the U.S. has under it's belt and as
such it's people on top of people. So the Japanese love owning U.S.
land.

But I promise you, if the U.A.W. walks into Toyota tomorrow and
announces "We're here!" (meaning they get the union in the door)
Toyota will simply say "Oh, so nice to have you here. Wish you'd
gotten here earlier because we were moving today. This half of the
machinery is going to Canada and that half to Mexico. Sorry you wasted
the time to make the trip. Good day."

One of the reasons the U.A.W. *can't* get a foot in the door of the
non-American owned, American plant auto makers is because 1) They've
learned from GM, Ford and Chrysler's mistakes and watched what the
union has done to them which has lead to 2) Giving line workers a high
level of respect and guidance as well as *competitive* benefits so
that 3) Why would the workers *want* a union that is just going to
take dues out of their pay packet to promise to give them things they
already have.

Not that I know anything more than heresy and rumors. I work in electricity.

EdB

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Re: [MBZ] 2 for 1 300E's

[Luther]

what time are you normally up and going?

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Yea, thats fine, whenever you want to come.  I am technically working 
thursday and friday but since I work from home, should be no problem.  
Worse case I might have to run out for a bit or something.


Luther wrote:
Speaking of 300E, are you still on for Thursday, Friday, and 
Saturday?  When should I come up? Wed evening or early Thursday morning?


Luther

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:



 Original Message 
Subject: Buy 2 and Make 1 GREAT - $1000 (Flossmoor)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 07:11:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: ka...@striplin.net
To: ka...@striplin.net



ka...@striplin.net has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting.
Please see below for more information.
 




   Buy 2 and Make 1 GREAT

Reply to: sale-ypacb-1185885...@craigslist.org
Date: 2009-05-23, 7:21PM

I have 2 mercedes 300E, one is a 89' and the other is a 86'. Both 
cars are the exact same both body and engine. The 86' is baby blue 
w/ dark blue leather interior and needs a power steiring gearbox yet 
you still can drive it jus hard to steer. The 89' is a Chocolate 
brown w/ tan leather and needs a alternator, battery, and jus had a 
new exhaust put on it not but 8 months ago. Both cars need your 
basic tune up. You could simply choose which one you'd like to drive 
then strip the other one for the parts, therefor your not spending 
money on the parts, just have to find someone to do the work. They 
have been sitting for 2 months and both have a flat, but most likely 
would also need to be towed to where your going. So please ONLY 
SERIOUS REPLYS thank you.. My name is Joe give me a call at 
708-713-1927


   * Location: Flossmoor
   * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other
 commercial interests

Original URL:http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/1185885063.html 






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'87 300SDL (281,xxx mi)
'85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast
'82 300CD (183 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
'85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine "The Accordion"


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[MBZ] AC charging

[Jim Cathey]

I tried to charge the 560 SEL's AC yesterday, and I couldn't
get any sane behavior on the gauges, and no charging.  Later
that day I recalled that I'd had the same problem with the
Chicken Wagon, problems that even took me so far as to replace
the compressor with another one.  (Unnecessarily, of course.)
I checked, and it _was_ the exact same problem.

And what is that problem, you might say?  The (Robinaire)
charging hose wouldn't go on the fitting far enough to
depress the plunger!  The barrel diameter on the Blue Point
(Snap-On's cheaper line) gauge set is 0.335", whereas the
fitting on the CW was 0.350", and the SEL was 0.358".  Wouldn't
quite fit.  The CW I filed down so that the gauge would go on.
On the SEL I tried a lesser charging hose, an Imperial Eastman,
and it went on far enough to work.

None of this is cheap crap stuff, and it is obvious to the
most casual handler that it is all much higher quality than
my Harbor Freight R134a gauge set, but there you go.

Anyway, one can of secret sauce later, and some supplemental
R290, and it was down to 48 degree vent temperatures.  I had
to refill my (refillable) R290 torch cylinder a couple of times,
using one of those charge-it-yourself fag fittings that only
really works with a now-banned old-style hamburger gas tank.
(Which I still have and use, filling them myself from a
liquid-feed forklift tank that I run Big Bertha off of, and
that I _can_ get refilled.)

The enviro-nazis sure do make it hard!

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 78 300SD ac

[Jim Cathey]

The compressor is completely locked up, does not turn at all by hand 
(the clutch), freewheels of course with the clutch not kicked in.  I 
have both pbu and porcupine for dealing with the other problem.


Sounds like you have everything you need then.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT bannedlite, I finally did it after all these years

[Gary Hurst]

the problem is that if you give the government the 1%, they just come and
take the other 99% by force.  i'd guess that probably over 90% of all the
child abuse is hte USA is committed by the schools, court and child welfare
agencies.  take away their right to police the "bad 1%" and you do more to
reduce child abuse than by doing anything else.

On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Wonko the Sane  wrote:

> I have a slight issue with principle #4 -- I teach a Recognizing and
> Reporting Child Abuse class about once a month to employees at our
> non-profit. While 99% of parents are loving and care for those entrusted to
> their care, there is the other 1% who act in such a way that government
> intervention is necessary. There are valid reasons why child prostitution
> and bestiality in the presence of a minor had to be written into Iowa code
> as forms of child abuse. In some instances, "the spouse and I" cannot be
> permitted to be the ultimate authority.
>
> On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 6:10 PM, harry watkins  >wrote:
>
> > I became an activist because of my concerns about where America appears
> to
> > be heading.  If you are of the same mind set, please join
> >
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] unsuscribe

[Gary Hurst]

that wasn't quite how it went though.  hargrave jumped in by defending the
decision to eliminate the dealers and then told us about his hard times of
his UAW wife losing 2 dollars an hour.

when you play that kind of hockey, you have to know that you are going to be
mixing it up in a rougher way shortly.

a guy provokes a fight.  he gets his fight.  then he runs off in a huff over
it.  it's not quite and honorable or legitimate position

On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 10:42 PM, dave walton  wrote:

> With email it's hard to tell when you really hit a nerve until it's
> too late. There is enough disagreement when sticking on the topic of
> Mercedes maintenance to get people pissed. Throw in politics,
> religion, sex, sports and whatever and you will see people dropping
> like flies. Then what is the list about?
>
> When I go to a car show I know to keep conversation about the cars. I
> don't go up to a guy showing his 1940 Ford pickup truck and start up a
> conversation about gay rights or child abuse within the Catholic
> Church. That's common sense and good judgment. We need more of both
> here in my opinion.
>
> Kaleb should not have to play cop and would probably piss off more
> people if he did. This list has a personality and a destiny defined by
> the actions of it's members. It's up to each of us to behave
> responsibly.
>
> -Dave Walton
>
>
> On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin 
> wrote:
> > true.  We try to keep things civil around here, and I never saw anything
> get
> > out of hand in the situation.  Only people disagreeing with anothers view
> on
> > it.  Nothing wrong with that.
> >
> > Allan Streib wrote:
> >>
> >> I agree, it's a pitty to lose Tom's technical knowledge on this list.
> >> However if you're going to participate in an OT thread, then get all
> >> huffy and quit when the discussion doesn't go the way you want, then I'd
> >> quite frankly advise that you should stay out of the OT stuff to begin
> >> with.
> >>
> >> Allan
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
> > 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89
> 560SEL,
> > 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81
> > 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] abuse

[Gary Hurst]

y'know, it really does.  one man's vicious foul is another's fair but hard
challenge.

which is why we should have more toleration rather than less, no?

On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 10:41 PM,  wrote:

> > true.  We try to keep things civil around here, and I never saw
> > anything
> > get out of hand in the situation.  Only people disagreeing with anothers
> > view on it.  Nothing wrong with that...
> >
> That's because many of YOUR uncivil comments seem to you to be acceptable.
> Depends on one's standards, methinks.
>
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Re: [MBZ] unsuscribe

[dave walton]

With email it's hard to tell when you really hit a nerve until it's
too late. There is enough disagreement when sticking on the topic of
Mercedes maintenance to get people pissed. Throw in politics,
religion, sex, sports and whatever and you will see people dropping
like flies. Then what is the list about?

When I go to a car show I know to keep conversation about the cars. I
don't go up to a guy showing his 1940 Ford pickup truck and start up a
conversation about gay rights or child abuse within the Catholic
Church. That's common sense and good judgment. We need more of both
here in my opinion.

Kaleb should not have to play cop and would probably piss off more
people if he did. This list has a personality and a destiny defined by
the actions of it's members. It's up to each of us to behave
responsibly.

-Dave Walton


On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
> true.  We try to keep things civil around here, and I never saw anything get
> out of hand in the situation.  Only people disagreeing with anothers view on
> it.  Nothing wrong with that.
>
> Allan Streib wrote:
>>
>> I agree, it's a pitty to lose Tom's technical knowledge on this list.
>> However if you're going to participate in an OT thread, then get all
>> huffy and quit when the discussion doesn't go the way you want, then I'd
>> quite frankly advise that you should stay out of the OT stuff to begin
>> with.
>>
>> Allan
>>
>>
>
> --
> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
> 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
> 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81
> 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com
>
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Re: [MBZ] tractor and musicians

[Hendrik & Fay]

Yeah, I was kinda expecting to see them at the eurovision contest.

Hendrik

relng...@aol.com wrote:

...So which one of the trio (or should that be quartet) are you Roger and
will you be putting out a CD?..



I should be so talented. And the language is Hungarian.

RLE
  



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Re: [MBZ] abuse

[RELNGSON]

> true.  We try to keep things civil around here, and I never saw 
> anything
> get out of hand in the situation.  Only people disagreeing with anothers
> view on it.  Nothing wrong with that...
> 
That's because many of YOUR uncivil comments seem to you to be acceptable. 
Depends on one's standards, methinks.

RLE





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Re: [MBZ] unsuscribe

[Wonko the Sane]

Holy mother of the flying spaghetti monster -- I can't believe I
accidentally deleted  a thread like that!

I wondered what Tom was so torqued about.

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 5:25 AM, Hendrik & Fay wrote:

> It was political Kaleb, also it went up a notch when unions where brought
> into the discussion.
> Just in case you don't quite understand the political angle, the problem
> was that a government perceived to have socialist leanings is doing the
> bailing out, or if you like, nationalizing the car industry. Whatever, it is
> politically charged and touched on peoples fundamental beliefs.
> Ya might have to tighten the reins a bit.
>
> Hendrik




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Re: [MBZ] unsubscribe

[Hendrik & Fay]

One of the big disadvantages of a an email based discussion forum is 
that it is all lumped in one big pot, this is where a board based forum 
is better.
However these sort of 'old school' lists do work if people play by the 
rules and have some consideration for others.
Kaleb is doing a good job of moderating the list but we cannot expect 
him to do everything for us, sometimes we have to take responsibility 
for our actions and yes this involves NOT posting, even though we feel 
like telling some else on the list exactly how we feel.


Hendrik

Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:

OK-I guess I have enough of my own family and want MB here- I have unsubbed
many times but come back to see If the number of OT's that I have to delete
is less than the MB content ones.  Unlike, Gary I am interested in how much
Mobil 1 somebody burns or uses-I am a gearhead. 
I won't push this any further-I have had my say.
Dwight 


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[RELNGSON]

> ...Just depends how far the pendulum swings...
> 
> And who is in the pit with it.

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Re: [MBZ] 78 300SD ac

[Peter Frederick]

Oh, the ACC fan.

Probably the PBCU -- the switch (the "porcupine") rarely fails.  I  
had to swap my PBCU for a good one due to intermittent fan operation  
-- ok in the winter for normal use, but no reliable defrost is  
dangerous.


Easy enough to test -- the PBCU outputs a voltage between 0 and 6V to  
the controller -- if not present, the PBCU is toast.  If present at  
the controller and no fan (and the fan runs with direct voltage), its  
the controller.


However, check the fan motor -- they get progressively stiffer as the  
bearings go, and will stop turning at less than max on time.  Usually  
start popping the fuse then, too.


BTDT, and still need a new fan motor for one car.

Peter

On May 24, 2009, at 8:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


No, im talking about the ACC fan for the inside of the car.
Peter Frederick wrote:
Either it ran hot (check the visco clutch!) or they thought the  
poor AC performance from a bad compressor was due to lack of  
cooling at the evaporator.


The fan is operated via a pressure switch on the receiver/dryer --  
if the switch is bad, no AC speed on the fan.


Peter


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Re: [MBZ] unsubscribe

[Frederick W Moir]

Yea, a family, complete with idiot son, me!
Fred Moir (at least my mommy said I was)
Lynn MA

At 10:03 PM 5/24/2009, you wrote:

I didn't follow the thread. I occasionally, and recently did, select all and
delete.
This is a family -- complete with some relatives we'd rather not claim. As
in any family reunion, someone gets mad and storms off, but the family stays
intact and the cousin comes back when the steaks hit the grill.
Hey, I am from West Virginia. Talk about family reunions ... !

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Re: [MBZ] unsuscribe

[Hendrik & Fay]

It was political Kaleb, also it went up a notch when unions where 
brought into the discussion.
Just in case you don't quite understand the political angle, the problem 
was that a government perceived to have socialist leanings is doing the 
bailing out, or if you like, nationalizing the car industry. Whatever, 
it is politically charged and touched on peoples fundamental beliefs.

Ya might have to tighten the reins a bit.

Hendrik

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
true.  We try to keep things civil around here, and I never saw 
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Re: [MBZ] unsubscribe

[WILTON]

To the daughter and all the family: Congratulations!!  I wish her well.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Wonko the Sane" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] unsubscribe



1. You are 100% correct.

2. It isn't probably not going to happen.

I am not sure when I came onto this list. Probably about the same time as
you. For better or for worse, this list is sort of like a quaint London 
pub

or a fraternity house (sorry, that is Banned). Someone is going to make a
comment, someone is going to comment on the comment, and as long as the
police (Kaleb) do not have to break up a fight, everyone is okay next
morning -- perhaps with a headache or two by some participants. As in any
London pub (as if I've ever been to London!) -- ok, let's do Cheers. Sam 
has
to break up the fights. We have our Norm, we have our Cliff, and we have 
our

 I am somewhere between Frasier and Coach.

Example. I did (truth) about 200 miles round trip yesterday in my 240D and
didn't burn a drop of Mobil 1 15W-50. It was my daughter's university
graduation. Alternator belt squeaked a bit when the engine starts, so I 
will

have to tighten that tomorrow.

(yawn)

That said, this list is NOT the place to get political and get nasty and
call names. That is what the two flavors of Banned (purgatory and hell) 
are

for.



On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 4:44 AM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr 
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I think we should stop all of the OT threads and just stay with
what we are supposed to be about.



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Re: [MBZ] tractor and musicians

[RELNGSON]

> ...So which one of the trio (or should that be quartet) are you Roger and
> will you be putting out a CD?..
> 
I should be so talented. And the language is Hungarian.

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[Bill R]

I'd say that all of us are somewhat made by our families rather than 'self
made'.  The ability to hire someone they already know something about is a
good thing.  Bill

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 10:13 PM
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Yea. Really bad year to graduate from college. She spent the day moving back
into her bedroom but she has an interview (where I work) on Tuesday. Nice to
see a posting for a job opening  (for which she is quite qualified due to
her B.A.) posted where step-dad is in management. And my immediate
supervisor is the one who will be interviewing her.

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 5:06 AM, Bill R  wrote:

> Congratulations on the graduate child.  Another step along the way.
> BillR
>
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Re: [MBZ] unsubscribe

[Wonko the Sane]

I drive one mile each way to work, and do about 60 miles round trip every
weekend to get out of Hooterville. I pour in a quart of 15W-50 every two or
three months.

I have lots of blow-by at the oil filler cap. Current cap is pretty new
(from Rusty). I even tried his suggestion to put in two cork washers, but
couldn't get the cap back on then. I should offer my 240D to Kaleb for $50.

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 5:12 AM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:

> Unlike, Gary I am interested in how much
> Mobil 1 somebody burns or uses-I am a gearhead.
> I won't push this any further-I have had my say.
> Dwight
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] unsubscribe the political posts

[Hendrik & Fay]

Well Kaleb did say that political stuff was for banned lite.
However the fact remains that Tom choose to participate in a 
semi-political discussion and then choose to leave when someone said 
something he did not agree with.
That is his choice and he is an adult and has to make decisions. He also 
may well not have participated but still unsubcribed because he thinks 
we are all a bunch of idiots and not worthy of his time.
Far as the ban on all OT goes, that has been discussed and decided. 
Seems there is lots of things that we have in common apart from MB and I 
have no problem with that, apart from a 2000 post gun talk fest. I don't 
mind some gun talk (out of consideration for other list members) and as 
such am not calling for a blanket ban or quitting the list if there is a 
month long discussion on which handgun has the most stopping power, to 
stop the King of England taking over the US. I just use the delete key 
and have been known to politely ask that the thread is moderated.
End of the day politics is a no go zone here, even if disguised as car 
company bailout talk because the government is involved with that and 
people do have views as to how it should pan out. I could see it getting 
nasty a mile off. There are people here with strong opinions and they 
are not afraid to let others know that.


Hendrik

Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:

I disagree with this and most of what that has been said  about Tom's
departure- -I think we should stop all of the OT threads and just stay with
what we are supposed to be about.  My $0.02. If I wanted a political opinion
list or social network I would join one. BTW- I have been on the list (or
its predecessor) since 2002. 
Dwight.


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Re: [MBZ] unsubscribe

[Wonko the Sane]

Yea. Really bad year to graduate from college. She spent the day moving back
into her bedroom but she has an interview (where I work) on Tuesday. Nice to
see a posting for a job opening  (for which she is quite qualified due to
her B.A.) posted where step-dad is in management. And my immediate
supervisor is the one who will be interviewing her.

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 5:06 AM, Bill R  wrote:

> Congratulations on the graduate child.  Another step along the way.
> BillR
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] unsubscribe

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

OK-I guess I have enough of my own family and want MB here- I have unsubbed
many times but come back to see If the number of OT's that I have to delete
is less than the MB content ones.  Unlike, Gary I am interested in how much
Mobil 1 somebody burns or uses-I am a gearhead. 
I won't push this any further-I have had my say.
Dwight 

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.  
1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 
1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
Wickford, RI

-Original Message-
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Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 10:03 PM
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I didn't follow the thread. I occasionally, and recently did, select all and
delete.

What I was saying is that folks get torqued (a military aviation term) and
then wander back when the blood pressure drops.

This is a family -- complete with some relatives we'd rather not claim. As
in any family reunion, someone gets mad and storms off, but the family stays
intact and the cousin comes back when the steaks hit the grill.

Hey, I am from West Virginia. Talk about family reunions ... !

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 4:47 AM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr
wrote:

> This is unkind and unnecessary. I am surprised to ehar this from you, Don.
> IMHO.Obvsilu I am fed up with the political and personal banter.
> Dwight
>
> Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
>
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Re: [MBZ] unsubscribe

[Bill R]

Congratulations on the graduate child.  Another step along the way.
BillR

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On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 9:59 PM
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1. You are 100% correct.

2. It isn't probably not going to happen.

I am not sure when I came onto this list. Probably about the same time as
you. For better or for worse, this list is sort of like a quaint London pub
or a fraternity house (sorry, that is Banned). Someone is going to make a
comment, someone is going to comment on the comment, and as long as the
police (Kaleb) do not have to break up a fight, everyone is okay next
morning -- perhaps with a headache or two by some participants. As in any
London pub (as if I've ever been to London!) -- ok, let's do Cheers. Sam has
to break up the fights. We have our Norm, we have our Cliff, and we have our
 I am somewhere between Frasier and Coach.

Example. I did (truth) about 200 miles round trip yesterday in my 240D and
didn't burn a drop of Mobil 1 15W-50. It was my daughter's university
graduation. Alternator belt squeaked a bit when the engine starts, so I will
have to tighten that tomorrow.

(yawn)

That said, this list is NOT the place to get political and get nasty and
call names. That is what the two flavors of Banned (purgatory and hell) are
for.



On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 4:44 AM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr
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> what we are supposed to be about.
>

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Re: [MBZ] unsubscribe

[Wonko the Sane]

I didn't follow the thread. I occasionally, and recently did, select all and
delete.

What I was saying is that folks get torqued (a military aviation term) and
then wander back when the blood pressure drops.

This is a family -- complete with some relatives we'd rather not claim. As
in any family reunion, someone gets mad and storms off, but the family stays
intact and the cousin comes back when the steaks hit the grill.

Hey, I am from West Virginia. Talk about family reunions ... !

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 4:47 AM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:

> This is unkind and unnecessary. I am surprised to ehar this from you, Don.
> IMHO.Obvsilu I am fed up with the political and personal banter.
> Dwight
>
> Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] unsubscribe

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

OK thanks -you are the list mom-that helps me  understand how you see all of
this.  Maybe political is the wrong word-but opinions about unions,
capitalism, govt running corporations seem to be at least social thought
with political overtones. .
I guess I miss Marshall who kept us on topic.
Dwight 

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.  
1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 
1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
Wickford, RI

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On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
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We do not allow politics on the list.  The topic of chrysler was not 
political, at least not  yet anyway.  As far as only staying on topic, 
this list was never meant to be a strictly Mercedes list. 

Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:
> I disagree with this and most of what that has been said  about Tom's
> departure- -I think we should stop all of the OT threads and just stay
with
> what we are supposed to be about.  My $0.02. If I wanted a political
opinion
> list or social network I would join one. BTW- I have been on the list (or
> its predecessor) since 2002. 
> Dwight.
>
> Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.  
> 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 
> 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
> Wickford, RI
>   

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[Wonko the Sane]

1. You are 100% correct.

2. It isn't probably not going to happen.

I am not sure when I came onto this list. Probably about the same time as
you. For better or for worse, this list is sort of like a quaint London pub
or a fraternity house (sorry, that is Banned). Someone is going to make a
comment, someone is going to comment on the comment, and as long as the
police (Kaleb) do not have to break up a fight, everyone is okay next
morning -- perhaps with a headache or two by some participants. As in any
London pub (as if I've ever been to London!) -- ok, let's do Cheers. Sam has
to break up the fights. We have our Norm, we have our Cliff, and we have our
 I am somewhere between Frasier and Coach.

Example. I did (truth) about 200 miles round trip yesterday in my 240D and
didn't burn a drop of Mobil 1 15W-50. It was my daughter's university
graduation. Alternator belt squeaked a bit when the engine starts, so I will
have to tighten that tomorrow.

(yawn)

That said, this list is NOT the place to get political and get nasty and
call names. That is what the two flavors of Banned (purgatory and hell) are
for.



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> I think we should stop all of the OT threads and just stay with
> what we are supposed to be about.
>

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Re: [MBZ] unsubscribe

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

We do not allow politics on the list.  The topic of chrysler was not 
political, at least not  yet anyway.  As far as only staying on topic, 
this list was never meant to be a strictly Mercedes list. 


Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:

I disagree with this and most of what that has been said  about Tom's
departure- -I think we should stop all of the OT threads and just stay with
what we are supposed to be about.  My $0.02. If I wanted a political opinion
list or social network I would join one. BTW- I have been on the list (or
its predecessor) since 2002. 
Dwight.


Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.  
1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 
1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.

Wickford, RI
  


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89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 
84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 
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Re: [MBZ] 78 300SD ac

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

The compressor is completely locked up, does not turn at all by hand 
(the clutch), freewheels of course wtih the clutch not kicked in.  I 
have both pbu and porcupine for dealing with the other problem.


Jim Cathey wrote:
My 95 E300 that I just got done putting back together has a locked up 
compressor.  It seems to have a charge on it though, because it will 
kick in for a split second before the belt save turns it off.


Maybe.  Or maybe the Klima is stupid and shuts it off for
no good reason.  Or maybe the clutch is slipping.  How does
the hub feel when turned by hand?

BTW, on a 124, the folks who had it have the acc fan wired to a 
switch, on or off.  Is this likely a problem in the PBU or maybe the 
blower motor resistor porcupine?  I do NOT want to have a switch, I 
want to fix it right.


It's probably a bad porcupine, but it could be the PBU too.
Hard to say without doing the testing.  Both parts are expensive,
and would be switch-bait for the financially challenged.  PBU's
are repairable, but I don't think porcupines are.  Never heard
of anybody fixing one, but that doesn't mean it's impossible.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 78 300SD ac

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

No, im talking about the ACC fan for the inside of the car. 


Peter Frederick wrote:
Either it ran hot (check the visco clutch!) or they thought the poor 
AC performance from a bad compressor was due to lack of cooling at the 
evaporator.


The fan is operated via a pressure switch on the receiver/dryer -- if 
the switch is bad, no AC speed on the fan.


Peter


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Re: [MBZ] unsuscribe

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

true.  We try to keep things civil around here, and I never saw anything 
get out of hand in the situation.  Only people disagreeing with anothers 
view on it.  Nothing wrong with that.


Allan Streib wrote:

I agree, it's a pitty to lose Tom's technical knowledge on this list.
However if you're going to participate in an OT thread, then get all
huffy and quit when the discussion doesn't go the way you want, then I'd
quite frankly advise that you should stay out of the OT stuff to begin
with.

Allan

  


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Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: 1990 Mercedes 3.5 liter 6cyl Engine block - $450 (FlourBluff)]

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Probably in an extreme case I guess.  Most of them that have the 
"normal" famous bent rods you cant even tell its bent even sitting next 
to  a straight one.


Loren Faeth wrote:
I have seen pictures of bent rods form the 350 SDL/SD  They don't come 
apart, the rod just bends into sort of a D shape.  Enough to lower 
compression significantly.  IF they are not repaired promptly, things 
can come apart.




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Re: [MBZ] unsubscribe

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

This is unkind and unnecessary. I am surprised to ehar this from you, Don.
IMHO.Obvsilu I am fed up with the political and personal banter. 
Dwight 

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1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 
1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
Wickford, RI

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 8:59 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] unsuscribe

He will be back after the Midol kicks in. Folks tend to reconsider and
return.

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 3:51 AM, Allan Streib  wrote:

> I agree, it's a pitty to lose Tom's technical knowledge on this list.
> However if you're going to participate in an OT thread, then get all
> huffy and quit when the discussion doesn't go the way you want, then I'd
> quite frankly advise that you should stay out of the OT stuff to begin
> with.
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Re: [MBZ] unsubscribe

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

I disagree with this and most of what that has been said  about Tom's
departure- -I think we should stop all of the OT threads and just stay with
what we are supposed to be about.  My $0.02. If I wanted a political opinion
list or social network I would join one. BTW- I have been on the list (or
its predecessor) since 2002. 
Dwight.

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I agree, it's a pitty to lose Tom's technical knowledge on this list.
However if you're going to participate in an OT thread, then get all
huffy and quit when the discussion doesn't go the way you want, then I'd
quite frankly advise that you should stay out of the OT stuff to begin
with.

Allan

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> A Pity.
> Fred Moir
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>
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>>  Thanks,
>>Tom Hargrave
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Re: [MBZ] 78 300SD ac

[Jim Cathey]

My 95 E300 that I just got done putting back together has a locked up 
compressor.  It seems to have a charge on it though, because it will 
kick in for a split second before the belt save turns it off.


Maybe.  Or maybe the Klima is stupid and shuts it off for
no good reason.  Or maybe the clutch is slipping.  How does
the hub feel when turned by hand?

BTW, on a 124, the folks who had it have the acc fan wired to a 
switch, on or off.  Is this likely a problem in the PBU or maybe the 
blower motor resistor porcupine?  I do NOT want to have a switch, I 
want to fix it right.


It's probably a bad porcupine, but it could be the PBU too.
Hard to say without doing the testing.  Both parts are expensive,
and would be switch-bait for the financially challenged.  PBU's
are repairable, but I don't think porcupines are.  Never heard
of anybody fixing one, but that doesn't mean it's impossible.

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Re: [MBZ] 78 300SD ac

[Peter Frederick]

Either it ran hot (check the visco clutch!) or they thought the poor  
AC performance from a bad compressor was due to lack of cooling at  
the evaporator.


The fan is operated via a pressure switch on the receiver/dryer -- if  
the switch is bad, no AC speed on the fan.


Peter

On May 24, 2009, at 7:27 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

My 95 E300 that I just got done putting back together has a locked  
up compressor.  It seems to have a charge on it though, because it  
will kick in for a split second before the belt save turns it off.
BTW, on a 124, the folks who had it have the acc fan wired to a  
switch, on or off.  Is this likely a problem in the PBU or maybe  
the blower motor resistor porcupine?  I do NOT want to have a  
switch, I want to fix it right.


Jim Cathey wrote:
I'm supposed to help a friend replace the 10PA15C Denso on his  
Toyota.


What happened to it?  Did it seize and the belt-saver
kicked in?  Mine did on the 190D, I 'rebuilt' it myself
and so far so good.  Zero cost, essentially.  See:

http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb190d.html#20Dec2007

No point if the car doesn't have a belt-saver, because
it would probably grind itself into scrap before it
seized hard enough to stop.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT bannedlite, I finally did it after all these years

[Hendrik & Fay]

Just depends how far the pendulum swings...

Hendrik

Wonko the Sane wrote:

Naw -- history is only repeating itself. The pendulum swings left to right,
then right to left, and then back again, over and over and over. Hopefully
it happens without a nasty war. I don't get upset about this sort of thing
anymore. I am all for intelligent discussion -- on the OTHER lists!  :-)


  



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Re: [MBZ] OT bannedlite, I finally did it after all these years

[Wonko the Sane]

Naw -- history is only repeating itself. The pendulum swings left to right,
then right to left, and then back again, over and over and over. Hopefully
it happens without a nasty war. I don't get upset about this sort of thing
anymore. I am all for intelligent discussion -- on the OTHER lists!  :-)

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 3:56 AM, Hendrik & Fay wrote:

> Don't worry, once they take over all those principles will be reorganized
> into one basic principle.
>
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Re: [MBZ] unsuscribe

[Wonko the Sane]

He will be back after the Midol kicks in. Folks tend to reconsider and
return.

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 3:51 AM, Allan Streib  wrote:

> I agree, it's a pitty to lose Tom's technical knowledge on this list.
> However if you're going to participate in an OT thread, then get all
> huffy and quit when the discussion doesn't go the way you want, then I'd
> quite frankly advise that you should stay out of the OT stuff to begin
> with.
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT bannedlite, I finally did it after all these years

[Hendrik & Fay]

Don't worry, once they take over all those principles will be 
reorganized into one basic principle.


Hendrik

Wonko the Sane wrote:

I have a slight issue with principle #4 -- I teach a Recognizing and
Reporting Child Abuse class about once a month to employees at our
non-profit. While 99% of parents are loving and care for those entrusted to
their care, there is the other 1% who act in such a way that government
intervention is necessary. There are valid reasons why child prostitution
and bestiality in the presence of a minor had to be written into Iowa code
as forms of child abuse. In some instances, "the spouse and I" cannot be
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Re: [MBZ] OT bannedlite, I finally did it after all these years

[Hendrik & Fay]

Could we keep the right (and left) wing stuff out of the 
forumplease.
I seem to remember political things where supposed to be 
discussed/advertised on banned lite.
Although I am curious as to whether you get a free brown shirt if you 
sign up with these organizations?


Hendrik
with no brown shirts in the closet but does have a pair of black boots, 
not the jack variety but rather the RM Williams type


harry watkins wrote:

I became an activist because of my concerns about where America appears to be 
heading.  If you are of the same mind set, please join at:

 http://www.the912project.us/   And   http://www.resistnet.com/  then join your 
state group.

We are gaining more new members every day and need as many as possible.  I was 
# 12 joining one state group and it now has over 400 members in one city.

Our goal it to control the 2010 elections and get back some check and balance

We will lose the "gun Control" battle but there are many more we can win.

Our guns will be control by one of two treaties or both, President Obama favors 
both.

President Clinton signed the UN child protection treaty but could not get it 
ratified.  Senator Feinstein pledges to get it done during this congress.  
There are rules about guns being around children that will be the control.

Article VI of the constitution states that treaties are the supreme law.

The other international treaty is all about controlling guns and ammo.  I think we will end up there, no more reloading.  


Join us, we need numbers.

Thanks

Harry
  

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Re: [MBZ] unsuscribe

[Allan Streib]

I agree, it's a pitty to lose Tom's technical knowledge on this list.
However if you're going to participate in an OT thread, then get all
huffy and quit when the discussion doesn't go the way you want, then I'd
quite frankly advise that you should stay out of the OT stuff to begin
with.

Allan

Frederick W Moir  writes:

> Entrophy just advanced a notch.
> A Pity.
> Fred Moir
> Lynn MA
> Diesel preferred. Though a good dark ale is welcome!
>
> At 12:42 PM 5/23/2009, you wrote:
>>  Thanks,
>>Tom Hargrave
>>HYPERLINK "http://www.kegkits.com"www.kegkits.com
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>>
>>256-656-1924
>
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Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: 1990 Mercedes 3.5 liter 6cyl Engine block - $450 (FlourBluff)]

[Loren Faeth]

I have seen pictures of bent rods form the 350 SDL/SD  They don't 
come apart, the rod just bends into sort of a D shape.  Enough to 
lower compression significantly.  IF they are not repaired promptly, 
things can come apart.


At 12:07 PM 5/24/2009, you wrote:
IMO, it's technically possible to have a bent rod that doesn't 
contact the block.  But tht makes me wonder why they disassembled 
the engine to inspect it?  Perhaps they heard what Marshall said: 
"it's not IF but WHEN." and decided to take it apart and find out if 
it;s damaged.



Then again, perhaps it was smoking like a smokestack and using a 
quart of oil per mile - ot perhaps the muffler was blown out and 
they couldn;t hear the rod knocking? 


But you'd still have a bent rod and possible a damaged crank and piston.

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Subject: [MBZ] [Fwd: 1990 Mercedes 3.5 liter 6cyl Engine block - 
$450 (FlourBluff)]




How can it have had a bent rod that didnt hurt the block?

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Subject: 1990 Mercedes 3.5 liter 6cyl Engine block - $450 (Flour Bluff)
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   1990 Mercedes 3.5 liter 6cyl Engine block

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THis block was pulled from a 1990 350SDL that bent a rod.. It did 
not effect the block at all.. Same block as 86 and 87 6cyl 3.0 
liter engine also.. Call Terry 361-288-6511


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Re: [MBZ] 78 300SD ac

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

My 95 E300 that I just got done putting back together has a locked up 
compressor.  It seems to have a charge on it though, because it will 
kick in for a split second before the belt save turns it off. 

BTW, on a 124, the folks who had it have the acc fan wired to a switch, 
on or off.  Is this likely a problem in the PBU or maybe the blower 
motor resistor porcupine?  I do NOT want to have a switch, I want to fix 
it right.


Jim Cathey wrote:

I'm supposed to help a friend replace the 10PA15C Denso on his Toyota.


What happened to it?  Did it seize and the belt-saver
kicked in?  Mine did on the 190D, I 'rebuilt' it myself
and so far so good.  Zero cost, essentially.  See:

http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb190d.html#20Dec2007

No point if the car doesn't have a belt-saver, because
it would probably grind itself into scrap before it
seized hard enough to stop.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: [Fwd: 1990 Mercedes 3.5 liter 6cyl Engineblock - $450 (FlourBluff)]

[LarryT]

1st , and most importantly, I'm not trying to defend the seller.

re: an oil burned and damaged block - I believe that engine uses cylinder 
liners - it might be possible to have a bock that would be restored to 
"workable" if the liners were renewed.


Now, saying all that, I don't know how the seller would know these details 
unless he'd opened the engine and looked at it *very* closely.


I agree with you that he's probably being deceptive -  he's saying things he 
would know unless he had disassembled the engine - and if he had done that, 
why not fix it while in there?  The typical "while you're in there, you may 
as well" syndrome.  ;-)


Perhaps I don't fully understand what is meant by "bent rod problem" as it 
pertains to MB diesels -  most engines can have a damaged rod and not burn 
oil and/or smoke - it all depends on how it was bent, how much and where it 
was bent.


I think we were looking at this from different perspectives -- 


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: [Fwd: 1990 Mercedes 3.5 liter 6cyl 
Engineblock - $450 (FlourBluff)]



it's technically possible to have a bent rod that doesn't contact the 
block.


Yeah, I can see that.  But a bent rod doesn't burn oil and smoke.
A cylinder bore worn into an oval due to unbalanced combustion
stresses due to a bent rod will burn oil and smoke.  But there's
no way that can be considered a good block.  Unless by 'good' you
mean 'no visible hole in the side'.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT bannedlite, I finally did it after all these years

[Wonko the Sane]

I have a slight issue with principle #4 -- I teach a Recognizing and
Reporting Child Abuse class about once a month to employees at our
non-profit. While 99% of parents are loving and care for those entrusted to
their care, there is the other 1% who act in such a way that government
intervention is necessary. There are valid reasons why child prostitution
and bestiality in the presence of a minor had to be written into Iowa code
as forms of child abuse. In some instances, "the spouse and I" cannot be
permitted to be the ultimate authority.

On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 6:10 PM, harry watkins wrote:

> I became an activist because of my concerns about where America appears to
> be heading.  If you are of the same mind set, please join
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Re: [MBZ] Iinstalling Unwiredtools CLIMATE CONTROL

[Douglas]

Thank you all for the information. I will look into it tomorrow. 


Douglas

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Re: [MBZ] 78 300SD ac

[Peter Frederick]

I don't believe the toyota has the speed sensor system, so the  
compressor is likely ground up.


Peter

On May 24, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

I'm supposed to help a friend replace the 10PA15C Denso on his  
Toyota.


What happened to it?  Did it seize and the belt-saver
kicked in?  Mine did on the 190D, I 'rebuilt' it myself
and so far so good.  Zero cost, essentially.  See:

http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb190d.html#20Dec2007

No point if the car doesn't have a belt-saver, because
it would probably grind itself into scrap before it
seized hard enough to stop.

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Re: [MBZ] 78 300SD ac

[Peter Frederick]

Yes.  My buddy has found blasting material in Four Seasons  
compressors in the past (why anyone would sand-blast them is beyond  
me anyway, but there it is).


If the owner plans to operate the car longer than to just sell it,  
the new compressor, with a complete flush and a filter on the suction  
side is the best plan.


Peter

On May 24, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:

I know not to buy a reconditioned R4, but what about the newer cars  
with Denso compressors?


I'm supposed to help a friend replace the 10PA15C Denso on his Toyota.
I can get a Four Seasons rebuild with no clutch for $90, a Delco  
rebuild with clutch for $160, or a new Denso with clutch for $260.
I'm leaning towards the new Denso. Is it worth the extra $$ since  
he has no plans to dump the car soon?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 78 300SD ac

[Jim Cathey]

I'm supposed to help a friend replace the 10PA15C Denso on his Toyota.


What happened to it?  Did it seize and the belt-saver
kicked in?  Mine did on the 190D, I 'rebuilt' it myself
and so far so good.  Zero cost, essentially.  See:

http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb190d.html#20Dec2007

No point if the car doesn't have a belt-saver, because
it would probably grind itself into scrap before it
seized hard enough to stop.

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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: [Fwd: 1990 Mercedes 3.5 liter 6cyl Engine block - $450 (FlourBluff)]

[Jim Cathey]

it's technically possible to have a bent rod that doesn't contact the 
block.


Yeah, I can see that.  But a bent rod doesn't burn oil and smoke.
A cylinder bore worn into an oval due to unbalanced combustion
stresses due to a bent rod will burn oil and smoke.  But there's
no way that can be considered a good block.  Unless by 'good' you
mean 'no visible hole in the side'.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Iinstalling Unwiredtools CLIMATE CONTROL

[MG]

That's not hot enough. That's just normal running temp you will need 
to get it up to that 200 point at least with the AC on. The fan comes 
on when the temp switch on the receiver dryer gets too hot. At idle 
with the hood open it may not get hot enough. You still need to check 
to make sure the fan is still working and then get the engine hot 
enough to get to the point that the fan will come on.


The relay is in a box on the left front fender same place as the AC 
fuse. It will have a black with red, a red, and two black wires going 
to it. You could test the fan motor by jumping the red to the black 
at the 87 connection which should go to the fan. The other black goes 
to the temp sensor on the dryer.


The heater pump should come on with the AC or if the ambient temp is 
below 79 deg F according to the manual.


Manfred



Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 06:10:37 -0700
From: "Douglas" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Iinstalling Unwiredtools CLIMATE CONTROL

So with the car at idle for a long time and the temp is at 175' - 
just under
200' the fan does not come on. Yes the fan did work a while ago. 
Which ice

cube relay is it anyway?

Also does the aux heater pump run all the time?.. Yesterday when I 
drove to

the auto parts store the pump didn't run?..

Douglas

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Re: [MBZ] 2 for 1 300E's

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Yea, thats fine, whenever you want to come.  I am technically working 
thursday and friday but since I work from home, should be no problem.  
Worse case I might have to run out for a bit or something.


Luther wrote:
Speaking of 300E, are you still on for Thursday, Friday, and 
Saturday?  When should I come up? Wed evening or early Thursday morning?


Luther

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   Buy 2 and Make 1 GREAT

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I have 2 mercedes 300E, one is a 89' and the other is a 86'. Both 
cars are the exact same both body and engine. The 86' is baby blue w/ 
dark blue leather interior and needs a power steiring gearbox yet you 
still can drive it jus hard to steer. The 89' is a Chocolate brown w/ 
tan leather and needs a alternator, battery, and jus had a new 
exhaust put on it not but 8 months ago. Both cars need your basic 
tune up. You could simply choose which one you'd like to drive then 
strip the other one for the parts, therefor your not spending money 
on the parts, just have to find someone to do the work. They have 
been sitting for 2 months and both have a flat, but most likely would 
also need to be towed to where your going. So please ONLY SERIOUS 
REPLYS thank you.. My name is Joe give me a call at 708-713-1927


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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

[Allan Streib]

"LarryT"  writes:

> Seems I recall a time when some employers *required* employees with
> certain employee savings plans to invest in the company stock.  IIRC
> sometime in the 70s the govt passed a law making this practice
> illegal.

There are things called "employee stock ownership plans" (ESOPs) where
employees are granted stock ownership as a benefit.   The company
contributes a certain number of shares, and they are apportioned out to
individual employee accounts based on things like seniority.

I don't know much more about them, but I don't think you can buy more of
your own shares you just get your piece of what the company puts in.

Many 401Ks have the option to buy company stock, but I've never been
part of one that did not have a lot of other alternatives.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: 1990 Mercedes 3.5 liter 6cyl Engine block - $450 (FlourBluff)]

[LarryT]

IMO, it's technically possible to have a bent rod that doesn't contact the 
block.  But tht makes me wonder why they disassembled the engine to inspect 
it?  Perhaps they heard what Marshall said: "it's not IF but WHEN." and 
decided to take it apart and find out if it;s damaged.



Then again, perhaps it was smoking like a smokestack and using a quart of 
oil per mile - ot perhaps the muffler was blown out and they couldn;t hear 
the rod knocking? 


But you'd still have a bent rod and possible a damaged crank and piston.

LarryT

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How can it have had a bent rod that didnt hurt the block?

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THis block was pulled from a 1990 350SDL that bent a rod.. It did not 
effect the block at all.. Same block as 86 and 87 6cyl 3.0 liter engine 
also.. Call Terry 361-288-6511


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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

[LarryT]

Seems I recall a time when some employers *required* employees with certain 
employee
savings plans to invest in the company stock.  IIRC sometime in the 70s the 
govt passed a law making this practice illegal.


Your mgmnt prof was a wise man!

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Rich Thomas wrote:
I worked for Enron, everyone lost everything, no bailout there.  I 
managed to bail before the crash so only lost several thousand dollars of 
stock value that had been promised to me.  That included people who 
worked there for 20 years, believed management, invested in the company, 
etc etc and in their 60s had nothing, zero.


As my management professor used to say, don't invest your savings in your 
employer. When your employer goes bankrupt is when you need your savings 
the most, so don't set up your savings to disappear at the same time your 
job does.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

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Rich Thomas wrote:
I worked for Enron, everyone lost everything, no bailout there.  I 
managed to bail before the crash so only lost several thousand dollars of 
stock value that had been promised to me.  That included people who 
worked there for 20 years, believed management, invested in the company, 
etc etc and in their 60s had nothing, zero.


As my management professor used to say, don't invest your savings in your 
employer. When your employer goes bankrupt is when you need your savings 
the most, so don't set up your savings to disappear at the same time your 
job does.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

[Mitch Haley]

Rich Thomas wrote:
I worked for Enron, everyone lost everything, no bailout there.  I 
managed to bail before the crash so only lost several thousand dollars 
of stock value that had been promised to me.  That included people who 
worked there for 20 years, believed management, invested in the company, 
etc etc and in their 60s had nothing, zero.   


As my management professor used to say, don't invest your savings in your 
employer. When your employer goes bankrupt is when you need your savings the 
most, so don't set up your savings to disappear at the same time your job does.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 2 for 1 300E's

[Luther]

Speaking of 300E, are you still on for Thursday, Friday, and Saturday?  
When should I come up? Wed evening or early Thursday morning?


Luther

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Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 07:11:47 -0700 (PDT)
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   Buy 2 and Make 1 GREAT

Reply to: sale-ypacb-1185885...@craigslist.org
Date: 2009-05-23, 7:21PM

I have 2 mercedes 300E, one is a 89' and the other is a 86'. Both cars 
are the exact same both body and engine. The 86' is baby blue w/ dark 
blue leather interior and needs a power steiring gearbox yet you still 
can drive it jus hard to steer. The 89' is a Chocolate brown w/ tan 
leather and needs a alternator, battery, and jus had a new exhaust put 
on it not but 8 months ago. Both cars need your basic tune up. You 
could simply choose which one you'd like to drive then strip the other 
one for the parts, therefor your not spending money on the parts, just 
have to find someone to do the work. They have been sitting for 2 
months and both have a flat, but most likely would also need to be 
towed to where your going. So please ONLY SERIOUS REPLYS thank you.. 
My name is Joe give me a call at 708-713-1927


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'82 300CD (183 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

[Mitch Haley]

Rick Knoble wrote:

Mitch wrote
(unless something happens to wipe out the funds you had set aside)


Like the current economic downturn.


CALPERS (Commiefornia Public Employee Retirement System) is/was one of the 
largest single investors in the stock market. They had so much stock that they 
could inject left wing politics into the corporate board decisions of Fortune 
500 companies with their proxy votes. I don't suppose a 50% haircut was ever a 
planned contingency for those investments.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 78 300SD ac

[Mitch Haley]

I know not to buy a reconditioned R4, but what about the newer cars with Denso 
compressors?


I'm supposed to help a friend replace the 10PA15C Denso on his Toyota.
I can get a Four Seasons rebuild with no clutch for $90, a Delco rebuild with 
clutch for $160, or a new Denso with clutch for $260.
I'm leaning towards the new Denso. Is it worth the extra $$ since he has no 
plans to dump the car soon?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

[Rick Knoble]

Mitch wrote
(unless something happens to wipe out the funds you had set aside)


Like the current economic downturn.

Rick 



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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

[Mitch Haley]

Rick Knoble wrote:
i don't buy this "legacy costs" thing.  to my thinking, you don't 
build crap

because of 'legacy costs," but build crap because you are a crap
organization


If you don't think Toyota will have legacy costs, you have done no 
research and are spouting about that which you know nothing of. Please 
stick to watches, fintails and junk Saturns.


Legacy Costs are what you get when you don't pay or expense your payroll costs 
as you incur them. In some cases, the big automakers are still paying for the 
cars that were sold in the 1950's, and they didn't factor in this expense back 
when they sold the cars. If you put money in a pension fund as you incur the 
pension liability, you'll be fine.

(unless something happens to wipe out the funds you had set aside)
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

[Gary Hurst]

of course they will have legacy costs.  but i don't think they will start
produced piles of garbage when they do.

On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Rick Knoble wrote:

> i don't buy this "legacy costs" thing.  to my thinking, you don't build
>> crap
>> because of 'legacy costs," but build crap because you are a crap
>> organization
>>
>
> If you don't think Toyota will have legacy costs, you have done no research
> and are spouting about that which you know nothing of. Please stick to
> watches, fintails and junk Saturns.
>
> http://www.toyota.com/about/careers/tfs/benefits.html
>
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: 1990 Mercedes 3.5 liter 6cyl Engine block - $450 (FlourBluff)]

[WILTON]

Not 86 at all, and "same" as 87?  Not quite.

Wilton

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How can it have had a bent rod that didnt hurt the block?

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   1990 Mercedes 3.5 liter 6cyl Engine block

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Date: 2009-05-19, 12:04PM

THis block was pulled from a 1990 350SDL that bent a rod.. It did not 
effect the block at all.. Same block as 86 and 87 6cyl 3.0 liter engine 
also.. Call Terry 361-288-6511


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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

[Rick Knoble]

the foreign companies building here dont have union workers do they?



Not yet.

Rick 



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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

[Rick Knoble]

i don't buy this "legacy costs" thing.  to my thinking, you don't build 
crap

because of 'legacy costs," but build crap because you are a crap
organization


If you don't think Toyota will have legacy costs, you have done no research 
and are spouting about that which you know nothing of. Please stick to 
watches, fintails and junk Saturns.


http://www.toyota.com/about/careers/tfs/benefits.html

Rick 



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[MBZ] OT bannedlite, I finally did it after all these years

[harry watkins]

I became an activist because of my concerns about where America appears to be 
heading.  If you are of the same mind set, please join at:

 http://www.the912project.us/   And   http://www.resistnet.com/  then join your 
state group.

We are gaining more new members every day and need as many as possible.  I was 
# 12 joining one state group and it now has over 400 members in one city.

Our goal it to control the 2010 elections and get back some check and balance

We will lose the "gun Control" battle but there are many more we can win.

Our guns will be control by one of two treaties or both, President Obama favors 
both.

President Clinton signed the UN child protection treaty but could not get it 
ratified.  Senator Feinstein pledges to get it done during this congress.  
There are rules about guns being around children that will be the control.

Article VI of the constitution states that treaties are the supreme law.

The other international treaty is all about controlling guns and ammo.  I think 
we will end up there, no more reloading.  

Join us, we need numbers.

Thanks

Harry
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Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: 1990 Mercedes 3.5 liter 6cyl Engine block - $450 (Flour Bluff)]

[OK Don]

They don't see a hole in the side ---

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> How can it have had a bent rod that didnt hurt the block?
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[MBZ] [Fwd: 1990 Mercedes 3.5 liter 6cyl Engine block - $450 (Flour Bluff)]

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

How can it have had a bent rod that didnt hurt the block?

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THis block was pulled from a 1990 350SDL that bent a rod.. It did not 
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also.. Call Terry 361-288-6511


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[MBZ] 600SEL's now being sold at the buy here pay here

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

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   1993 Mercedes benz 600SEL

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1993 Black Mercedes Benz 600SEL,Leather Seats, Power Windows, Automatic.
$3500 Cash OBO YOUR JOB IS YOUR CREDIT. IN HOUSE FINANCE.
*LAST CHANCE AUTO SALES
4315 S CONGRESS
512-444-5566*
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[MBZ] 2 for 1 300E's

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

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I have 2 mercedes 300E, one is a 89' and the other is a 86'. Both cars 
are the exact same both body and engine. The 86' is baby blue w/ dark 
blue leather interior and needs a power steiring gearbox yet you still 
can drive it jus hard to steer. The 89' is a Chocolate brown w/ tan 
leather and needs a alternator, battery, and jus had a new exhaust put 
on it not but 8 months ago. Both cars need your basic tune up. You could 
simply choose which one you'd like to drive then strip the other one for 
the parts, therefor your not spending money on the parts, just have to 
find someone to do the work. They have been sitting for 2 months and 
both have a flat, but most likely would also need to be towed to where 
your going. So please ONLY SERIOUS REPLYS thank you.. My name is Joe 
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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

[Gary Hurst]

i don't buy this "legacy costs" thing.  to my thinking, you don't build crap
because of 'legacy costs," but build crap because you are a crap
organization

On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> then I dont see how they will face the same dilemma in 15-20 years
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
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> 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81
> 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

then I dont see how they will face the same dilemma in 15-20 years

Gary Hurst wrote:

of course not.  why do you think the cars they build aren't crap?

  


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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

[Gary Hurst]

of course not.  why do you think the cars they build aren't crap?

On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> the foreign companies building here dont have union workers do they?
>
> Rick Knoble wrote:
>
>> the underlying thing is all these auto workers are making WAY too much
>>> money to start with, which is why these companies cant turn a profit and the
>>> foreign ones can.
>>>
>>
>> Actually it is the legacy costs that are hurting them. The retiree
>> healthcare mostly. The Japanese and German car makers that build in this
>> country will be facing the same dilemma in another 15 or 20 years. Unless of
>> course The United States gets some form of national health care, then the
>> burden will be on the US taxpayer and NOT the foreign transplant companies.
>> But that is a topic for another list.
>>
>> Rick Knoble
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Iinstalling Unwiredtools CLIMATE CONTROL

[Jim Cathey]

So with the car at idle for a long time and the temp is at 175' - just 
under 200' the fan does not come on. Yes the fan did work a while ago. 
Which ice cube relay is it anyway?


On many (most?) 123's the aux fan is only for the AC system,
and even then only comes on when it gets too hot.

Also does the aux heater pump run all the time?.. Yesterday when I 
drove to the auto parts store the pump didn't run?..


I think they only run when the heat is on.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

the foreign companies building here dont have union workers do they?

Rick Knoble wrote:
the underlying thing is all these auto workers are making WAY too 
much money to start with, which is why these companies cant turn a 
profit and the foreign ones can.


Actually it is the legacy costs that are hurting them. The retiree 
healthcare mostly. The Japanese and German car makers that build in 
this country will be facing the same dilemma in another 15 or 20 
years. Unless of course The United States gets some form of national 
health care, then the burden will be on the US taxpayer and NOT the 
foreign transplant companies. But that is a topic for another list.


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Re: [MBZ] Iinstalling Unwiredtools CLIMATE CONTROL

[Douglas]

So with the car at idle for a long time and the temp is at 175' - just under 
200' the fan does not come on. Yes the fan did work a while ago. Which ice 
cube relay is it anyway?


Also does the aux heater pump run all the time?.. Yesterday when I drove to 
the auto parts store the pump didn't run?..


Douglas
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Iinstalling Unwiredtools CLIMATE CONTROL


That's close enough to an 83 so that your aux fan may be set the same way. 
I know some others do come on as long as the AC is on but yours, like mine 
may not be like that. First check that the fan even works by using some 
jumper wires direct to the fan connector under the hood. Mine didn't and I 
had to take it apart and clean everything up and oil it. Until you know 
the fan works you will be wasting time looking at anything else. Then 
drive the car with the AC on till it's good and hot and then stop and 
watch the temp gauge and listen for the fan. If it hasn't come on by the 
time the temp gets to 100 then you may need to start looking for a bad 
connection or bad fuse first and then the relay.


Manfred



Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 08:30:31 -0700
From: "Douglas" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Iinstalling Unwiredtools CLIMATE CONTROL


The car is a 1980 300D with ACCII Servo

Douglas

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[MBZ] An SSK anybody can afford

[Mitch Haley]

Made By: LINDBERG
Item: 72326
Scale: 1/24
Price $9.95
Buy 8 and get free shipping
http://www.3000toys.com/catalog/item_detail.aspx?itemfind=LINDBERG72326

I think three of Regina's boys are old enough to handle this. (well, two of them 
anyway, not sure about Klebbie)

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

[Rich Thomas]

Kenny boy stopped taking his heart meds and killed himself sure as if he 
had eaten a bullet.  He chose the coward's way out rather than face his 
responsibilities.  Of course, when he offed himself his conviction went 
away, and everything Linda had stayed with her.


Skilling was a whole nuther level of evil, that boy had absolutely no 
morals or integrity, but he was Kenny's fall guy until Jeffie got wise 
and threw it all back in Kenny boy's lap.  Honor among thieves 
donchaknow.  I think Kennyboy actually did a lot of good, and built the 
company over many years, but he got tired of running the company day to 
day, and found Skilling, and wasn't paying a lot of attention to him, 
just doing the Chairman thing and being a big shot, but he tacitly 
approved as long as everyone was making lots of money.  But then when it 
all started going down the drain it was too far gone for Kennyboy to 
pull it back, and there you go.


The sad thing was that Enron was actually a very good company, with lots 
of hard-working smart people with some really interesting ideas, and was 
doing quite well.  Then a very small group with completely amoral 
members, with Skilling in the lead, got really really greedy, and that 
was the beginning of the end.  But in some ways that was the times, they 
just did it lots more than everyone else.  I worked with many of those 
who were indicted (most of whom were in my group or directly working on 
projects we were doing), convicted, doing their time, and was always 
amazed at what they were doing and how they were doing it.  I left when 
I found out (mostly) what was going on, got most of my package and 
payout before things tanked, and mostly moved on with great 
disappointment at what could have been.  Colleagues who stayed on, 
believing what they were being told, lost HUGE amounts of money they had 
saved and invested.


--R

LWB250 wrote:

Rich,

I gotta ask:

Do you believe that Ken Lay is living somewhere in South America under an 
assumed identity?

His "sudden death" just prior to having to go to Federal prison has always made 
me wonder and I'm by no means a conspiracy nut, either.  It jsut seems, well, so 
coincidental...

Dan

  



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