Re: [MBZ] fools rush in
Neither you fn weird *^^%*)(^ I am going to kill you you (^)(*^( son of a (*^ and when I eat your liver I am going to _(*)(%^ you mother_*(^)^( so and so Hendrik who feels better now but should stop watching rubbish on TV and the internet Rich Thomas wrote: Which half would be rational? --R Hendrik Fay wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] fools rush in
wow, hit a nerve, did he? :) Luther Hendrik Fay wrote: Neither you fn weird *^^%*)(^ I am going to kill you you (^)(*^( son of a (*^ and when I eat your liver I am going to _(*)(%^ you mother_*(^)^( so and so Hendrik who feels better now but should stop watching rubbish on TV and the internet Rich Thomas wrote: Which half would be rational? --R Hendrik Fay wrote: -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Iinstalling Unwiredtools CLIMATE CONTROL
Cool. It takes a bit of heat to get them to come on doesn't it. Caught me at first also. BTW Billr I seem to remember you said your fan comes on all the time with the AC. Remember that for the next time we work on your car. I want to check why that is. It shouldn't be. Not that it matters much but I'm kind of curious about that. Manfred Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:41:45 -0700 From: Douglas jgi...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Iinstalling Unwiredtools CLIMATE CONTROL It turns out that I didn't have to test the fan and relay assy. as today its just above 95' and when I got home the aux fan came on by itself!! Thanks for all your support.. Douglas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?
ernest breakfield wrote: why would we think an AGM batt would not outgas when charging? they have vents; (they're very subtle on the Optimas, but they're there) wouldn't they be for just this purpose? http://www.windsun.com/Batteries/Battery_FAQ.htm#AGM,%20or%20Absorbed%20Glass%20Mat%20Batteries ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Any Q's This Year?
I had mentioned a tentative IndyQ for next year, as we're still getting settled as well as recovering from the wife being laid off for several months (she starts back to work June 8 - whoopee!) While we don't have a lot of room to park a lot of cars, we have the room to entertain. I could also probably infringe on the hospitality of one of my partners and do it at his place in country, about 8 miles from here, where there is plenty of room for cars and people. I would be hard pressed to do it this year unless it was in the fall. Amazing how long it takes to get settled after moving Dan --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Any Q's This Year? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 1:24 AM On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Just wondering if anyone has an Okie I, Iowa I , Rusty Q, Indy Q or Chicago Q planned this year. An Indy Q might be nice, since there are several (5 or 6) listers within driving distance. Anyone.? Rick Knoble With Luther coming to Chi-town, we probably have more than enough people in the surrounding area to do an IndyQ. Though we would need someone to offer a place to meet, anyone live in a house with a parking lot? :) I'm in a tight suburban community. One of those places I can reach out from my kitchen window and tap on the neighbor's window to ask about a cup of sugar. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Ethanol
Daughter found this article, quite interesting. Are any of the newer Benzes flex fuel? Would increased ethanol content have any adverse effects on newer (or older for that matter) engines/fuel systems? I know around here the boaters are having fits with ethanol-laced fuels as it absorbs water and causes problems in boat motors and systems. In Texas the fuel around Houston had 10% ethanol to help the local air quality, outside of the metro area it didn't have that much. Here in Charleston I think it has some but not 10%. http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/may2009/bw20090514_058678.htm --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Auxiliary fans
It takes a bit of heat to get them to come on doesn't it. Speaking of auxiliary fans, I'm impressed at how much air the twin fans of the 560 SEL move, and how quietly. Could barely hear them when they kicked on while charging the AC, yet the hot blast of air made me have to get a string to tie to the throttle to rev it up rather than grasping it directly. Unlike everything else we've got, which roar when they come on. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?
Hey you forgot Jaguar. Oh, wait... ;) -Curt Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:29:54 -0700 From: tyler casi...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a1c5f52.3060...@usermail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I did some searching online and found that Optima was a small Swedish company that was sold in the summer of 2000 (probably after my battery that still works was made) to Wisconsin based Johnson Controls, Inc. It's hard to imagine that US ownership would reduce the quality of a fine Swedish product! *cough* Volvo *cough* Saab *cough* excuse me I seem to be choking on the concept of suddenly reducing quality of a prestigious brand to increase short term profit... Tyler brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: You are probably safe, I think major problems started about 5 years ago. When the optima in my jeep failed suddenly at a restaurant (shorted cell) I went home and put the old optima that had been sitting on a concrete floor for a year or two and it started the jeep just fine. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/32601f62/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Retrospect backup problem
LOL the ones that say if you see water here shut off the computer now!? I've got one of those, I'm keeping it around to see how long before it starts to leak... -Curt Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:01:00 -0700 (PDT) From: LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Retrospect backup problem To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 491415.60647...@web65716.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Could have been worse - he could have had one of the G5s that were liquid cooled. My Apple contacts tell me they're still buying those back, albeit very discreetly. MacDan -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/e7810f2a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D oil caps
BTDT hasn't helped. Replaced the cap on my 240D some years ago (threw the metal one away, stupid) no change. Replaced the seal in the metal cap on my 190D, no change... -Curt Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:19:45 -0500 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D oil caps To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 926aedb4-ac03-444d-ac92-489efcd4c...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Actually, the seal goes bad on the cap. If you have a metal cap, replace the rubber seal, if you have a plastic cap, get a new one. A leaking cap will show up as oil the the area around the base of the cap and traces off the valve cover -- good for a bout a quart in 1000 miles or so of oil loss with very little evidence other than oil around the cap when you take it off -- should be completely dry. I've replaced about 5 so far. They leak not from blowby pressure, but from having oil thrown up on them from the cam at highway speed. Peter On May 26, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: I have that oil-cap blow by problem on both my 240D and 190D. In both cases the cars had been largely city driven before I got them and had carboned up considerably. I think that while the carbon around the rings has gone and the cars start as I'd expect and run with the power I'd expect that there is still carbon in the PCV system which leads to too much pressure in the crankcase. The next easiest leak point is the cap so there it goes. I need at some point to track that down for which I plan to use my furlough week in August... -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/f3aa523a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Any Q's This Year?
We're planning ChowdaQ Numbah 2 this year in RI. -Curt Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:13:01 -0500 From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com Subject: [MBZ] OT Any Q's This Year? To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: col117-ds1286e6a1280d7e44c0dd...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Just wondering if anyone has an Okie I, Iowa I , Rusty Q, Indy Q or Chicago Q planned this year. An Indy Q might be nice, since there are several (5 or 6) listers within driving distance. Anyone.? Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/92346be4/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT 1TB HD $80 free shipping
Good advice. I tell in class that the first hard drive I ever bought was 640MB to replace the 40MB in my 386sx. Now in class I have one box with 32TB in it. Its got 32 drives but to think 15 years ago I'd have considered even 1TB an unthinkable amount of storage. -Curt Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:42:21 -0700 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT 1TB HD $80 free shipping To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 9efc09f4-4a5f-11de-adec-000502d9a...@windwireless.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed That's the same one I bought...a $10 rebate. It cost me $84 [versus] $90. Now it's $76 without screwing with the rebate. Should have waited to order Oh, gee. Mass storage price-per-byte dropping at a noticeable rate? How long's it been doing that? Oh yeah, every month since about 1980. (No idea about the behavior of Big Iron instead of micros, it may have done that then too.) Buy what you need, when you need it, and never look at prices again until you need more and/or a replacement. You'll be happier. -- Jim -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/6ec72fde/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT News about GM and Chrysler
Much as we'd like to you also can't say all American cars are crap either. I've had 2 Focus rentals in the last year, one I hated (base model, zero options) and one I thought was okay (up optioned). I also had a Chevy Malibu that I wanted to hate and couldn't. It had good power, good economy, rode well, even had an iPod port. I've noticed lately that Dodge trucks seem to rust worse than the others. Seems like just about every Dodge (full size, not Dakotas) seems to have rot in the sills under the doors. -Curt Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 22:59:58 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT News about GM and Chrysler To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: m1octfcksx@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes: http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/26/dealers-at-doomed-franchises-rap-quality-of-gm-chr/ I call at least partial BS. Dodge/Chrysler minivans dominate that segment. Dodge trucks are popular. The Charger/Magnum/300 sells well. The Impala is highly rated. Chevy trucks are popular. You can't say that they weren't making ANY cars that people would buy. Allan -- 1983 300D -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/8175fddc/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Missing air dam - should I care? W123 wagon
Are the sedans supposed to have these? My '83 240D does not and there is no
noticable moaning sound ever.
I don't remember one on my wagon which doesn't mean it was or wasn't there. No
moaning sound on that car either.
-Curt
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 23:17:41 -0400
From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Missing air dam - should I care? W123 wagon
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Don, is there a moaning noise a 45+ mph?
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Mine has been off for well over a year, with no ill results. I took it off
to do something (forget what the task was) and didn't have time to replace
it.
('77 240D)
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 4:10 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
wrote:
What function does the air dam (2 of them) perform? I noticed both mine
(L
and R) are missing. That got me to wondering, why do i need them at all?
How does the car (1983 300TD) perform any differently without its air
dams?
If there are no symptoms, then why put them on the car at all?
In ignorance, but thirsting for knowledge.
Andrew
1983 300TD 322K miles (odo stopped counting a week ago)
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Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?
Marshall claimed that even with the too-small rating of the red top that it would start a diesel MB in cold weather (he lived in Pittsburgh(?) and knew about serious cold). IIRC he had several and had used them for years. -Curt Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:46:06 -0700 From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a1cc58e.9000...@backyardengineering.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed why would we think an AGM batt would not outgas when charging? they have vents; (they're very subtle on the Optimas, but they're there) wouldn't they be for just this purpose? as for Optimas, they don't list anything for my '85 300D, and the closest thing that would fit doesn't have the same ratings. i like Optimas for what they're good for; i have my second (Red Top) Optima in my J**p partly because i didn't want to deal with cleaning up the engine compartment after another case cracked, and got almost exactly 7 years of very hard (ab)use out of the first one. Optimas quality allegedly went a long way down for a while after they were bought out and has allegedly come part way back; the one i have in there now is of the 2004 vintage and has been performing without complaint to date. unless i needed a battery that would have a very low self-discharge rate for a car that wasn't run for long periods of time, i think i'd stick with a battery that had the proper cranking amps ratings for my diesel. cheers! e -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/cf84c1f5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT 1TB HD $80 free shipping
One of my college friends is a partner at a post house and thats exactly what they do (archive drives). They had troubles with the drives failing when put back into use though apparently due to failed spindle lubrication. The solution was to rotate the drives (meaning physically turn them over) monthly. This became a chore when they got 100 drives in the archive. So at some point we decided they needed an automated way to do it and thus the drive rotisserie was invented. Its a big steel box sort of like a file cabinet but square mounted on a spindle. Once a month it gets rotated 90 degrees. It rotates easily enough by hand but don't think we didn't consider motorizing it. After a year drive failures were down to practically nothing in the rotisserie while in the control group (you gotta have a control right?) they were still seeing ~15% which is amazing considering we put the OLDEST drives he had in the rotisserie. So another rotisserie was built. That was a year ago, he's probably due to build another by now. -Curt Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 00:41:02 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT 1TB HD $80 free shipping To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 20090527004102.876189a0.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Mitch (I think) wrote: That's the same one I bought...a $10 rebate. It cost me $84 [versus] $90. Now it's $76 without screwing with the rebate. Should have waited to order Jim Cathey wrote: Oh, gee. Mass storage price-per-byte dropping at a noticeable rate? How long's it been doing that? Oh yeah, every month since about 1980. What's big to me about this invisible point in the progress is for DV video (25 Mbps) it's now cheaper to buy hard drives and put them on a shelf that to archive tape... Watershed moment. -- Philip -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/7cd5b08e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Any Q's This Year?
ok Bob Rentfro wrote: Maybe I'll save my pennies and work a few O.T. days and plan to drive my tired '77 for you to buy, Kaleb. Then I'll buy something newer off of you to drive home. Bob R On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: There is a strong possibility of a okieQ around october. Was planning on having one in June but will be a little later in the year. Rick Knoble wrote: Just wondering if anyone has an Okie I, Iowa I , Rusty Q, Indy Q or Chicago Q planned this year. An Indy Q might be nice, since there are several (5 or 6) listers within driving distance. Anyone.? Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.40/2135 - Release Date: 05/26/09 08:53:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090526/cb5c53b7/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090526/f8bc300f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.40/2135 - Release Date: 05/26/09 08:53:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/286d8b3b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT 1TB HD $80 free shipping
the first hard drive I ever bought was 640MB to replace the 40MB in my 386sx. Mine was a 5MB ST-506. Went into my S100 68000-based system. Really fast compared to floppies, and back then files weren't too big and didn't take long to load. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ac flush gun
is that thing refillable I guess? You just pour the flush into the bottle? Luther wrote: The contraption I used was a quart tank that you applied compressed air to and had a hose/nozzle to put into the a/c system and pushed a/c flush fluid through. http://www.napaonline.com/MasterPages/NOLMaster.aspx?PageId=470LineCode=NTEPartNumber=781020Description=A%2fC+Flush+Kit Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: OK, Im probably going to go ahead and buy some sort of ac flush equipment. What should I get, one of those flush guns? Where is the cheapest place to order one? Anybody btdt? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.40/2135 - Release Date: 05/26/09 08:53:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/c20280b0/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Any Q's This Year?
Date? Are you buying a new clam? -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:40:13 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Any Q's This Year? We're planning ChowdaQ Numbah 2 this year in RI. -Curt Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:13:01 -0500 From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com Subject: [MBZ] OT Any Q's This Year? To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: col117-ds1286e6a1280d7e44c0dd...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Just wondering if anyone has an Okie I, Iowa I , Rusty Q, Indy Q or Chicago Q planned this year. An Indy Q might be nice, since there are several (5 or 6) listers within driving distance. Anyone.? Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/92346be4/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/bfd8709f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 560 SEL
Got the new window slider in today, always fun to use a BFH and an anvil to fix your car. Got the door panel back on, but not the handles and trim. The Becker is WAIT-ing on my bench now. We'll see tomorrow if it wants a CODE, which I don't have. The AC is charged, using a test refrigerant. I again had problems getting the gauge set to open the seal pin on the low-side fitting. The barrel was too large, it wouldn't go on far enough. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ac flush gun
yes Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: is that thing refillable I guess? You just pour the flush into the bottle? Luther wrote: The contraption I used was a quart tank that you applied compressed air to and had a hose/nozzle to put into the a/c system and pushed a/c flush fluid through. http://www.napaonline.com/MasterPages/NOLMaster.aspx?PageId=470LineCode=NTEPartNumber=781020Description=A%2fC+Flush+Kit Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: OK, Im probably going to go ahead and buy some sort of ac flush equipment. What should I get, one of those flush guns? Where is the cheapest place to order one? Anybody btdt? -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol
We get 10% ethanol in all our gas here in New England. Its been that way for 3 or 4 years now. I've never noticed much difference, except: Snowmobiles tend to accumulate moisture in the gas no matter what you do which makes some sense if you consider the environment they exist in. 2 years ago I had a terrible problem with a brown sugar like substance accumulating in the fuel filters and carbs. Last winter I put 2oz of SeaFoam per gallon of gas in every snowmobile I owned every time I added gas no exceptions and had zero issues. I imagine boaters have similar problems and might be helped with a similar strategy or by draining all the gas every time they put the boat up for a couple days. That'd be easier in a 4 stroke boat than a 2 stroke snowmobile since you could put the gas in the car with no worries. -Curt Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:41:31 -0400 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Subject: [MBZ] Ethanol To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a1d34fb.6050...@constructivity.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Daughter found this article, quite interesting. Are any of the newer Benzes flex fuel? Would increased ethanol content have any adverse effects on newer (or older for that matter) engines/fuel systems? I know around here the boaters are having fits with ethanol-laced fuels as it absorbs water and causes problems in boat motors and systems. In Texas the fuel around Houston had 10% ethanol to help the local air quality, outside of the metro area it didn't have that much. Here in Charleston I think it has some but not 10%. http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/may2009/bw20090514_058678.htm --R -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/e5f9cb5b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Missing air dam - should I care? W123 wagon
Well, it is on the 1985 300CD.
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
Are the sedans supposed to have these? My '83 240D does not and there is no
noticable moaning sound ever.
I don't remember one on my wagon which doesn't mean it was or wasn't there.
No moaning sound on that car either.
-Curt
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 23:17:41 -0400
From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Missing air dam - should I care? W123 wagon
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Don, is there a moaning noise a 45+ mph?
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com
wrote:
Mine has been off for well over a year, with no ill results. I took it
off
to do something (forget what the task was) and didn't have time to
replace
it.
('77 240D)
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 4:10 PM, andrew strasfogel
astrasfo...@gmail.com
wrote:
What function does the air dam (2 of them) perform? I noticed both
mine
(L
and R) are missing. That got me to wondering, why do i need them at
all?
How does the car (1983 300TD) perform any differently without its air
dams?
If there are no symptoms, then why put them on the car at all?
In ignorance, but thirsting for knowledge.
Andrew
1983 300TD 322K miles (odo stopped counting a week ago)
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Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL
Take the radio to a dealer and they will give you the code for free. On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Got the new window slider in today, always fun to use a BFH and an anvil to fix your car. Got the door panel back on, but not the handles and trim. The Becker is WAIT-ing on my bench now. We'll see tomorrow if it wants a CODE, which I don't have. The AC is charged, using a test refrigerant. I again had problems getting the gauge set to open the seal pin on the low-side fitting. The barrel was too large, it wouldn't go on far enough. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/0aa171ff/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol
My Connecticut lawnmower repair guy tells me he's sending his kid to school with the money made on plugged destroyed carbs on small engines that sit 6 months. Several manufacturers specificly do not warrantee such damage. He now suggests that you run them dry as the risk is less that leaving the bowl full of 90% fuel. -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:05:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol We get 10% ethanol in all our gas here in New England. Its been that way for 3 or 4 years now. I've never noticed much difference, except: Snowmobiles tend to accumulate moisture in the gas no matter what you do which makes some sense if you consider the environment they exist in. 2 years ago I had a terrible problem with a brown sugar like substance accumulating in the fuel filters and carbs. Last winter I put 2oz of SeaFoam per gallon of gas in every snowmobile I owned every time I added gas no exceptions and had zero issues. I imagine boaters have similar problems and might be helped with a similar strategy or by draining all the gas every time they put the boat up for a couple days. That'd be easier in a 4 stroke boat than a 2 stroke snowmobile since you could put the gas in the car with no worries. -Curt Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:41:31 -0400 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Subject: [MBZ] Ethanol To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a1d34fb.6050...@constructivity.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Daughter found this article, quite interesting. Are any of the newer Benzes flex fuel? Would increased ethanol content have any adverse effects on newer (or older for that matter) engines/fuel systems? I know around here the boaters are having fits with ethanol-laced fuels as it absorbs water and causes problems in boat motors and systems. In Texas the fuel around Houston had 10% ethanol to help the local air quality, outside of the metro area it didn't have that much. Here in Charleston I think it has some but not 10%. http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/may2009/bw20090514_058678.htm --R -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/e5f9cb5b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/8ee5fbcd/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Auxiliary fans
I'll have to find me a couple of those and retrofit my car. Manfred Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 06:04:54 -0700 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net Subject: [MBZ] Auxiliary fans It takes a bit of heat to get them to come on doesn't it. Speaking of auxiliary fans, I'm impressed at how much air the twin fans of the 560 SEL move, and how quietly. Could barely hear them when they kicked on while charging the AC, yet the hot blast of air made me have to get a string to tie to the throttle to rev it up rather than grasping it directly. Unlike everything else we've got, which roar when they come on. -- Jim -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/c7de0905/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] A/C Q's on a 126.....
The A/C on my 1990 350 SDL was not really cooling like it shouldand that was last summer. This year, it's worse. Since I've had the car, every 3-4 years, I usually have to add a 1/2 - 1 pound or so to get it to cool adequately, So, I guess it's time again. It also has those dual aux fans, right behind the grill and it looks like one is dead. Does anyone know if I need to Remove and Re-install the radiator, evaporator, et al to replace the fan, or is the fan replaceable (from the front) without removing them? As for the A/C, I've thought about just adding more R-12 to keep it cooling hopefully, for another few years (and running with 1 of 2 aux fans) OR see if the fan can be replaced without removing the evaporator. Obviously, if the evap needs to come out, (to R/R the fan) then I guess we'll check and fix any significant leaks and re-charge the system. I've found R-12 12-oz cans for sale on CL. Anyone know how much I'd need? A friend with the proper tools is going to help me with this, as I've never done A/C work before. Anyone BTDT or have any suggestions/comments before I proceed? I think the general net-wisdom was not to convert to R-134, as I would not be happy with the results. Thanks, Angelo Giaimo Currently unemployed due to downsizing, and not being a crybaby about it. 1990 350 SDL Rodbender 276K Miles. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/72688439/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol
This is nothing new - the RV business used to be a gold mine for us (we don't do RVs anymore - thank G-d!) because people would just park them over the winter and the carbs on the generators would get all gunked up when the gas evaporated from the carb bowl. It was like a migration - I'm sure the boating community sees the same thing - as soon as the weather started to get nice in the spring, the RVs would be lining up to see us. While I still use my lawn tractor year 'round, I installed a shutoff valve on the fuel line to the carb so I can shut off the fuel supply and run it dry between seasons. Dan --- On Wed, 5/27/09, pm7...@comcast.net pm7...@comcast.net wrote: From: pm7...@comcast.net pm7...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 11:37 AM My Connecticut lawnmower repair guy tells me he's sending his kid to school with the money made on plugged destroyed carbs on small engines that sit 6 months. Several manufacturers specificly do not warrantee such damage. He now suggests that you run them dry as the risk is less that leaving the bowl full of 90% fuel. -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:05:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol We get 10% ethanol in all our gas here in New England. Its been that way for 3 or 4 years now. I've never noticed much difference, except: Snowmobiles tend to accumulate moisture in the gas no matter what you do which makes some sense if you consider the environment they exist in. 2 years ago I had a terrible problem with a brown sugar like substance accumulating in the fuel filters and carbs. Last winter I put 2oz of SeaFoam per gallon of gas in every snowmobile I owned every time I added gas no exceptions and had zero issues. I imagine boaters have similar problems and might be helped with a similar strategy or by draining all the gas every time they put the boat up for a couple days. That'd be easier in a 4 stroke boat than a 2 stroke snowmobile since you could put the gas in the car with no worries. -Curt Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:41:31 -0400 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Subject: [MBZ] Ethanol To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a1d34fb.6050...@constructivity.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Daughter found this article, quite interesting. Are any of the newer Benzes flex fuel? Would increased ethanol content have any adverse effects on newer (or older for that matter) engines/fuel systems? I know around here the boaters are having fits with ethanol-laced fuels as it absorbs water and causes problems in boat motors and systems. In Texas the fuel around Houston had 10% ethanol to help the local air quality, outside of the metro area it didn't have that much. Here in Charleston I think it has some but not 10%. http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/may2009/bw20090514_058678.htm --R -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/e5f9cb5b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/8ee5fbcd/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT More on Chrysler
But but but we got a letter from management! So it's the dealers' lawyer, you figure it out. Plan to ax dealers not Chrysler's decision -lawyer http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssConsumerGoodsAndRetailNews/idUSN2632731920090526 --R -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/53ca5b07/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Average Vehicle Scrapping Age
looks like that study was from 8 years ago; given the changes in ahem! *quality* of some of the vehicles listed, it would be interesting to see how much things have changed since then! cheers! e Tyler Backman wrote: Here is an interesting Norwegian study which shows the average scrapping age of used cars, which I think is a possible indicator of longevity, but could also be skewed by the fact that people with more expensive vehicles (or cult type hobby vehicles) probably maintain them better. There's probably also another cost effect in that a more expensive new car will also have a higher resale value when older, so it will seem more economical to repair it rather than scrap it. Mercedes, Volvo, SAAB, Audi, BMW, and Volkswagen are the top 6 (in that order). http://ssb.no/english/subjects/10/12/20/bilreg_en/arkiv/bilvrak_en/art-2001-06-18-01-en.html Tyler -- I am crewing on the Motorcycle Safety Crew for the AIDS LifeCycle ride from SF to LA for a week in June to raise money for the fight against AIDS. To learn more and/or to donate to the cause, go here: http://www.tofighthiv.org/goto/ernestb -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/7ee85424/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?
hi Mitch! that article states in one place that AGM batteries hydrogen emission is far below the 4% max specified for aircraft and enclosed spaces, and in another states completely sealed against fumes; seems like a bit of a conflict, but it's admittedly written by someone who's in the business of selling batteries, not making them... furthermore, if you look at the top of our Optimas, you can clearly see that they have vents, so the completely sealed against fumes clearly isn't necessarily true in all cases. seems to me that if Optima saw fit to put vents on their batteries, outgassing (as slight as it may be) is most likely the reason. Optima has this warning buried on their site: Overcharging can cause the safety valves to open and battery gasses to escape, resulting in premature failure. These gasses are flammable! perhaps the vent i'm seeing on the tops of the Optimas is what they're calling the safety valves, but it's apparent that even Optima believes that charging AGM batteries creates outgassing. cheers! e Mitch Haley wrote: ernest breakfield wrote: why would we think an AGM batt would not outgas when charging? they have vents; (they're very subtle on the Optimas, but they're there) wouldn't they be for just this purpose? http://www.windsun.com/Batteries/Battery_FAQ.htm#AGM,%20or%20Absorbed%20Glass%20Mat%20Batteries ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- I am crewing on the Motorcycle Safety Crew for the AIDS LifeCycle ride from SF to LA for a week in June to raise money for the fight against AIDS. To learn more and/or to donate to the cause, go here: http://www.tofighthiv.org/goto/ernestb -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/ab5d8f84/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT More on Chrysler
If these dealerships are franchise businesses, how do they cost Chrysler anything? How will Chrysler save any money by having fewer franchise dealers? Allan On Wed, 27 May 2009 13:05 -0400, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: But but but we got a letter from management! So it's the dealers' lawyer, you figure it out. Plan to ax dealers not Chrysler's decision -lawyer http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssConsumerGoodsAndRetailNews/idUSN2632731920090526 --R -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/53ca5b07/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?
hi Curt! i'm a Philly-born boy that now lives near the ocean and plays in the mountains and deserts; i haven't subjected myself to Pittsburgh cold (cuz, uh, it's *Pittsburgh*?!), but with travels that have taken me to sub-zero Alberta, i'm not altogether unfamiliar with it. having been able to start our 300D using B99 after it had spent several days sitting collecting snowfall in the Sierra, i'm inclined to believe that many poor-start/no-start issues are related to poorly maintained vehicles. i mean, if we can get a standard battery to easily start a 20+ year old stock diesel car running Biodiesel, what's the problem we're trying to solve by using a battery with a *lower* rating? cheers! e Curt Raymond wrote: Marshall claimed that even with the too-small rating of the red top that it would start a diesel MB in cold weather (he lived in Pittsburgh(?) and knew about serious cold). IIRC he had several and had used them for years. -Curt Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:46:06 -0700 From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a1cc58e.9000...@backyardengineering.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed why would we think an AGM batt would not outgas when charging? they have vents; (they're very subtle on the Optimas, but they're there) wouldn't they be for just this purpose? as for Optimas, they don't list anything for my '85 300D, and the closest thing that would fit doesn't have the same ratings. i like Optimas for what they're good for; i have my second (Red Top) Optima in my J**p partly because i didn't want to deal with cleaning up the engine compartment after another case cracked, and got almost exactly 7 years of very hard (ab)use out of the first one. Optimas quality allegedly went a long way down for a while after they were bought out and has allegedly come part way back; the one i have in there now is of the 2004 vintage and has been performing without complaint to date. unless i needed a battery that would have a very low self-discharge rate for a car that wasn't run for long periods of time, i think i'd stick with a battery that had the proper cranking amps ratings for my diesel. cheers! e -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/cf84c1f5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- I am crewing on the Motorcycle Safety Crew for the AIDS LifeCycle ride from SF to LA for a week in June to raise money for the fight against AIDS. To learn more and/or to donate to the cause, go here: http://www.tofighthiv.org/goto/ernestb -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/bce0e1b0/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: Mercedes Question - favor for a friend
If it's a Lemon, what makes them think EVERYTHING has been fixed? Wilton - Original Message - From: Bill R billr32...@comcast.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com; 'Banned List' ban...@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:28 PM Subject: [MBZ] FW: Mercedes Question - favor for a friend I need a favor for a good friend. His son is looking to buy a MB [gasser, but some things can't be helped], and asked me to give some guidance to him. I know very little about late model Mercedes, but suggested that some of you folks do and might be willing to help. He has been looking and driving, and has narrowed it down to the two listed below. His question: What would a person who loves and drives MB's buy for himself? Your thoughts? TIA - BillR From: Matt Smith [mailto:chapmanp...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:25 PM To: bi...@iname.com Subject: Mercedes Question Bill: Thank you for your call and any assistance that your fellow board members can provide. I have included links to the 2 vehicles that we have tentatively narrowed our search down to. http://www.mjbautosales.com/detail-2007-mercedes~benz-e~class-e350-3983593.h tml http://www.phoenixmercedesbenz.com/VehicleDetails/424844853 Our Pros and Cons: Pros of the E350 being a great value and has all the options we want, Cons being it was previously bought back by the dealer due to California Lemon Law, everything has been fixed, but this is from an independent dealer so only has remaining factory warranty Pros of the C350 wonderful condition loaded with the options that we want and being sold by Mercedes dealer as Certified Pre-Owned Cons was used as a service loaner vehicle, not quite the overall value of the E350. I think our primary question is which car would someone who knows and loves Mercedes purchase for themselves? Thanks for all of your help, Matt Smith -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090526/b74a4df4/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol
I don't think this has that much to do with ethanol but it does seem worse with recent fuels. With several small engines, I now add STABIL to the Jerry Can as I fill it at the pump and this seems to help a lot. On engines with a fuel shut-off (like my generator and lawn vac) I try to run the carb dry between uses and that helps too. On gummed-up float-bowl type carbs I have had much success by removing and cleaning the main jet (usually built into the screw that holds the float bowl). On the other hand, I've never fixed a diaphragm-type carb (like on chain saw or blower) permanently despite several attempts; these may require special tools to set the diaphragm or maybe I needed to actually replace parts. Does anyone know the trick for these diaphragm carbs? Scott -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:41 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol This is nothing new - the RV business used to be a gold mine for us (we don't do RVs anymore - thank G-d!) because people would just park them over the winter and the carbs on the generators would get all gunked up when the gas evaporated from the carb bowl. It was like a migration - I'm sure the boating community sees the same thing - as soon as the weather started to get nice in the spring, the RVs would be lining up to see us. While I still use my lawn tractor year 'round, I installed a shutoff valve on the fuel line to the carb so I can shut off the fuel supply and run it dry between seasons. Dan --- On Wed, 5/27/09, pm7...@comcast.net pm7...@comcast.net wrote: From: pm7...@comcast.net pm7...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 11:37 AM My Connecticut lawnmower repair guy tells me he's sending his kid to school with the money made on plugged destroyed carbs on small engines that sit 6 months. Several manufacturers specificly do not warrantee such damage. He now suggests that you run them dry as the risk is less that leaving the bowl full of 90% fuel. -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:05:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol We get 10% ethanol in all our gas here in New England. Its been that way for 3 or 4 years now. I've never noticed much difference, except: Snowmobiles tend to accumulate moisture in the gas no matter what you do which makes some sense if you consider the environment they exist in. 2 years ago I had a terrible problem with a brown sugar like substance accumulating in the fuel filters and carbs. Last winter I put 2oz of SeaFoam per gallon of gas in every snowmobile I owned every time I added gas no exceptions and had zero issues. I imagine boaters have similar problems and might be helped with a similar strategy or by draining all the gas every time they put the boat up for a couple days. That'd be easier in a 4 stroke boat than a 2 stroke snowmobile since you could put the gas in the car with no worries. -Curt Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:41:31 -0400 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Subject: [MBZ] Ethanol To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a1d34fb.6050...@constructivity.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Daughter found this article, quite interesting. Are any of the newer Benzes flex fuel? Would increased ethanol content have any adverse effects on newer (or older for that matter) engines/fuel systems? I know around here the boaters are having fits with ethanol-laced fuels as it absorbs water and causes problems in boat motors and systems. In Texas the fuel around Houston had 10% ethanol to help the local air quality, outside of the metro area it didn't have that much. Here in Charleston I think it has some but not 10%. http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/may2009/bw20090514_058678.htm --R -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/e5 f9cb5b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/8e e5fbcd/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?
I once saw someone whom had an old Volvo 740 diesel with low compression that needed to crank really fast to start. They had two optima red tops mounted side by side in the space of the normal huge diesel battery, and they were connected in parallel directly to the starter with enormous cables (probably 4 times as thick as stock) and top quality copper connectors coated with an anti-corrosion film. I think this would be the perfect setup for anyone with an old diesel in extreme cold weather, and avoids much of the need for a block heater. I can vouch for the fact that a single optima red top will easily start a diesel in 10F weather... Tyler Curt Raymond wrote: Marshall claimed that even with the too-small rating of the red top that it would start a diesel MB in cold weather (he lived in Pittsburgh(?) and knew about serious cold). IIRC he had several and had used them for years. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 42, Issue 146
In the marine industry it is even worse, There is a good chance that the boater will get his engine started and head to the lake in early spring and the combination of cool, dense air and low octane from moisture in the fuel did a great job detonating and melting pistons. For the last 10 years my advise was to drain the fuel if the boat was to sit more than 90 days, and leave it empty until you are ready to use it again. I had constant flak from people who were told to leave their tanks full to reduce condisation over the winter, to which I replied You do have a water separating fuel filter don't you? Dave Liddell Lynnwood, WA. '77 240d (front end done, now working on other end '84 Ovlov 245 Turbo (stand-by car) Message: 12 Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:41:04 -0700 (PDT) From: LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 609623.55749...@web65709.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is nothing new - the RV business used to be a gold mine for us (we don't do RVs anymore - thank G-d!) because people would just park them over the winter and the carbs on the generators would get all gunked up when the gas evaporated from the carb bowl. It was like a migration - I'm sure the boating community sees the same thing - as soon as the weather started to get nice in the spring, the RVs would be lining up to see us. While I still use my lawn tractor year 'round, I installed a shutoff valve on the fuel line to the carb so I can shut off the fuel supply and run it dry between seasons. Dan --- On Wed, 5/27/09, pm7...@comcast.net pm7...@comcast.net wrote: From: pm7...@comcast.net pm7...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 11:37 AM My Connecticut lawnmower repair guy tells me he's sending his kid to school with the money made on plugged destroyed carbs on small engines that sit 6 months. Several manufacturers specificly do not warrantee such damage. He now suggests that you run them dry as the risk is less that leaving the bowl full of 90% fuel. -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:05:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol We get 10% ethanol in all our gas here in New England. Its been that way for 3 or 4 years now. I've never noticed much difference, except: Snowmobiles tend to accumulate moisture in the gas no matter what you do which makes some sense if you consider the environment they exist in. 2 years ago I had a terrible problem with a brown sugar like substance accumulating in the fuel filters and carbs. Last winter I put 2oz of SeaFoam per gallon of gas in every snowmobile I owned every time I added gas no exceptions and had zero issues. I imagine boaters have similar problems and might be helped with a similar strategy or by draining all the gas every time they put the boat up for a couple days. That'd be easier in a 4 stroke boat than a 2 stroke snowmobile since you could put the gas in the car with no worries. -Curt Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:41:31 -0400 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Subject: [MBZ] Ethanol To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a1d34fb.6050...@constructivity.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Daughter found this article, quite interesting. Are any of the newer Benzes flex fuel? Would increased ethanol content have any adverse effects on newer (or older for that matter) engines/fuel systems? I know around here the boaters are having fits with ethanol-laced fuels as it absorbs water and causes problems in boat motors and systems. In Texas the fuel around Houston had 10% ethanol to help the local air quality, outside of the metro area it didn't have that much. Here in Charleston I think it has some but not 10%. http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/may2009/bw20090514_058678.htm --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol
Scott - It has been a few years since I have worked on many of those pumper carbs but as far as adjustments to the needle and seat, the parts that you would call the float valve in a float type carb, when you have it assembled to the point that you can view the needle seat relationship, the lever that bears on the needle should typically be parallel to the body of the carb. The last time I fixed a chain saw that had been sitting till the gas turned, the problem was simply that needle was stuck closed by varnish. A good cleaning and it worked fine. Sometimes the diaphragms just get dried out and crack. Gotta make sure there are no perforations or tears. You also need to make sure that the hoses are good or they may be sucking air. The reason that these carbs are often referred to as pumper carbs on the 2 strokes is that they have an extra diaphragm that uses a pulse from crankcase pressure to act as a fuel pump. Can't have any leaking gaskets. You need to make sure that you have cleaned the passages to the high speed and idle fuel circuits as well. Screw those adjustment screws in all the way making note of how many turns. Don't force the adjustment screws, just lightly bottom them. After you have verified clean passages and reassembled, open the two screws about the same place and add about a half a turn more open and final adjust after the engine is running. BTW, you don't really want to run 2 stroke engines out of pre-mix fuel in an attempt to empty the carb because the oil is in the fuel so you are running the engine out of lube as well. You'll probably never get all the fuel out of a diaphragm carb anyway, the engine will starve and quit before that happens. Barry On engines with a fuel shut-off (like my generator and lawn vac) I try to run the carb dry between uses and that helps too. On the other hand, I've never fixed a diaphragm-type carb (like on chain saw or blower) permanently despite several attempts; these may require special tools to set the diaphragm or maybe I needed to actually replace parts. Does anyone know the trick for these diaphragm carbs? Scott ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT More on Chrysler
Too many dealers create competition, thus driving down overall prices to the consumer (which I guess in turn creates lower wholesale prices). That was one of the rationales for cutting dealer numbers. I'll leave that to the reader to analyze. --R Allan Streib wrote: If these dealerships are franchise businesses, how do they cost Chrysler anything? How will Chrysler save any money by having fewer franchise dealers? Allan On Wed, 27 May 2009 13:05 -0400, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: But but but we got a letter from management! So it's the dealers' lawyer, you figure it out. Plan to ax dealers not Chrysler's decision -lawyer http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssConsumerGoodsAndRetailNews/idUSN2632731920090526 --R -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/53ca5b07/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/bcfe9740/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?
ernest breakfield wrote: Optima has this warning buried on their site: Overcharging can cause the safety valves to open and battery gasses to escape, resulting in premature failure. These gasses are flammable! perhaps the vent i'm seeing on the tops of the Optimas is what they're calling the safety valves, but it's apparent that even Optima believes that charging AGM batteries creates outgassing. I think normal charging does not, at least not faster than the battery can recombine it. If you cook the battery by severely overcharging, I bet you'd have a hissing banshee on your hands, much like the time I cooked a couple of nicads by charging at a 5C rate for half an hour. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT More on Chrysler
Allan Streib wrote: If these dealerships are franchise businesses, how do they cost Chrysler anything? How will Chrysler save any money by having fewer franchise dealers? Only way I figure it is fewer dealers - less competition - higher retail prices. Higher retail prices - dealers can afford to pay more - higher wholesale prices. The problem with that concept is that the main competition isn't other Chrysler dealers, it's other GM/Ford/Toyota/Honda/Kia/Datsun/VW/Hyundai/Mazda/Suzuki/Audi/Mercedes/BMW dealers. The scenario I described above is also a recipe for lower sales volume and a loss of economies of scale. But it's a command economy now, and neither my opinion nor that of Chrysler's executives matters, King Obie is calling the shots. Reminds me of a story about a turtle and a fencepost that was on Banned yesterday. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Dead battery?
Just installed a Die Hard in the 350SDL; voltage at battery before starting = 12.2v; with engine running at idle, voltage at batt = 14.25v. Now, where did I put that radio code? Wilton -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/396fe5dd/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol
Not a bad idea, otherwise use a good stabilizer (NOT sta-bil) and use it often. I've got some stuff from the POR-15 people that seems to be really good stuff. I judge based on how easily the motorcycles start in the spring. None of 3 gave me a hint of trouble this year (well my CB900f is a cold blooded bitch but thats normal) so it must be good stuff. -Curt Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:37:03 + (UTC) From: pm7...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 678474217.14295521243438623567.javamail.r...@sz0127a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 My Connecticut lawnmower repair guy tells me he's sending his kid to school with the money made on plugged destroyed carbs on small engines that sit 6 months. Several manufacturers specificly do not warrantee such damage. He now suggests that you run them dry as the risk is less that leaving the bowl full of 90% fuel. -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/cfb7d484/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Any Q's This Year?
Early September, Dwight organizes that part since if I had to do it the Q would fall on its face, witness the abortive Q I tried years ago... I'll be on food duty again this year but promise to be much better organized and have a better grill... -Curt Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:56:51 + (UTC) From: pm7...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Any Q's This Year? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 952454891.14270871243436211322.javamail.r...@sz0127a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date? Are you buying a new clam? -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/8704cdc5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?
I dunno I'm just relaying what he said... I would hazard a guess that Optima is somewhat conservative in the rating of their battery (or maybe just honest...) and other manufacturers are more than a bit optimistic. Aren't the Optima's supposed to suffer less fall off when its cold? I'm with you, I haven't had half the cold start issues with my cars that others have. That said when I lived in an apartment with nowhere to plug in there were several mornings dragging the 240D around with the pickup at -20F... Third gear, clutch out, get the wife to keep us at ~20mph, walkie talkies made everything easier since I didn't need to stick my head out the window... Then I got my extra battery so I could run the block heater with no plugin which made things so much easier although I do dearly love my timer and outside outlet now... -Curt Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:28:26 -0700 From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a1d783a.7050...@backyardengineering.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; Format=flowed hi Curt! i'm a Philly-born boy that now lives near the ocean and plays in the mountains and deserts; i haven't subjected myself to Pittsburgh cold (cuz, uh, it's *Pittsburgh*?!), but with travels that have taken me to sub-zero Alberta, i'm not altogether unfamiliar with it. having been able to start our 300D using B99 after it had spent several days sitting collecting snowfall in the Sierra, i'm inclined to believe that many poor-start/no-start issues are related to poorly maintained vehicles. i mean, if we can get a standard battery to easily start a 20+ year old stock diesel car running Biodiesel, what's the problem we're trying to solve by using a battery with a *lower* rating? cheers! e Curt Raymond wrote: Marshall claimed that even with the too-small rating of the red top that it would start a diesel MB in cold weather (he lived in Pittsburgh(?) and knew about serious cold). IIRC he had several and had used them for years. -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/4caed0d5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol
I quit using Sta-bil when a big bottle of it went bad... It congealed for lack of a better word and little black clumps started to float in it. What do you use to stabilize your fuel stabilizer? -Curt Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 13:34:32 -0400 From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: f7db3775d0ff4f208fe25444d3cda...@scottemachine Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't think this has that much to do with ethanol but it does seem worse with recent fuels. With several small engines, I now add STABIL to the Jerry Can as I fill it at the pump and this seems to help a lot. On engines with a fuel shut-off (like my generator and lawn vac) I try to run the carb dry between uses and that helps too. On gummed-up float-bowl type carbs I have had much success by removing and cleaning the main jet (usually built into the screw that holds the float bowl). On the other hand, I've never fixed a diaphragm-type carb (like on chain saw or blower) permanently despite several attempts; these may require special tools to set the diaphragm or maybe I needed to actually replace parts. Does anyone know the trick for these diaphragm carbs? Scott -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/1f7abb13/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?
Back when I lived in the apartment and had difficulties in below 0F temps (at which point a 61x engine gets hard to start) I'd suggested getting 0 or 00 gauge battery cables for my 240D. Old 6v tractors use that size (or bigger) cables since so many amps have to get to the starter. Marshall chided me and said that the starter wouldn't draw any more amps just because the cable is bigger. I still think its a good idea, if I keep my 240D long term or get the 116 300SD my friend taunts me with I may finally do it. -Curt Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:38:43 -0700 From: tyler casi...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a1d7aa3.6060...@usermail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I once saw someone whom had an old Volvo 740 diesel with low compression that needed to crank really fast to start. They had two optima red tops mounted side by side in the space of the normal huge diesel battery, and they were connected in parallel directly to the starter with enormous cables (probably 4 times as thick as stock) and top quality copper connectors coated with an anti-corrosion film. I think this would be the perfect setup for anyone with an old diesel in extreme cold weather, and avoids much of the need for a block heater. I can vouch for the fact that a single optima red top will easily start a diesel in 10F weather... Tyler Curt Raymond wrote: Marshall claimed that even with the too-small rating of the red top that it would start a diesel MB in cold weather (he lived in Pittsburgh(?) and knew about serious cold). IIRC he had several and had used them for years. -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/3c8b3c25/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT More on Chrysler
Mitch, First of all, that cartoon is 6 years old. Names were changed to protect the guilty. Secondly, why do you have to insert this crap into this List? On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Allan Streib wrote: If these dealerships are franchise businesses, how do they cost Chrysler anything? How will Chrysler save any money by having fewer franchise dealers? Only way I figure it is fewer dealers - less competition - higher retail prices. Higher retail prices - dealers can afford to pay more - higher wholesale prices. The problem with that concept is that the main competition isn't other Chrysler dealers, it's other GM/Ford/Toyota/Honda/Kia/Datsun/VW/Hyundai/Mazda/Suzuki/Audi/Mercedes/BMW dealers. The scenario I described above is also a recipe for lower sales volume and a loss of economies of scale. But it's a command economy now, and neither my opinion nor that of Chrysler's executives matters, King Obie is calling the shots. Reminds me of a story about a turtle and a fencepost that was on Banned yesterday. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT More on Chrysler
A guy I work with played three dealers against each other very effectively recently. He wanted to buy a 2 year old Infiniti G35x (its what he wanted, go fig) so he goes online and finds these 3 dealers have very similar cars, similar prices and gets them to basically bid against each other. The one he bought was something like $8,000 lower than what they started asking (which was the book value) and something like $500 less than the next lowest. They also gave him something like $500 more for his trade in and 2 years of oil changes, and he got them to change ALL the fluids in the car (I'd suggested that one) before he took delivery. With a GM car you can play the same sort of game but in the greater Boston area pit 10 dealers against each other... -Curt Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:31:23 -0400 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT More on Chrysler To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a1d86fb.3010...@constructivity.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; Format=flowed Too many dealers create competition, thus driving down overall prices to the consumer (which I guess in turn creates lower wholesale prices). That was one of the rationales for cutting dealer numbers. I'll leave that to the reader to analyze. --R Allan Streib wrote: If these dealerships are franchise businesses, how do they cost Chrysler anything? How will Chrysler save any money by having fewer franchise dealers? Allan -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/6b5add8a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A/C Q's on a 126.....
you are probably going to have to remove the radiator, then unclip the condenser and just tilt it back then you can unbolt the fans and get them out Angelo Giaimo wrote: The A/C on my 1990 350 SDL was not really cooling like it shouldand that was last summer. This year, it's worse. Since I've had the car, every 3-4 years, I usually have to add a 1/2 - 1 pound or so to get it to cool adequately, So, I guess it's time again. It also has those dual aux fans, right behind the grill and it looks like one is dead. Does anyone know if I need to Remove and Re-install the radiator, evaporator, et al to replace the fan, or is the fan replaceable (from the front) without removing them? As for the A/C, I've thought about just adding more R-12 to keep it cooling hopefully, for another few years (and running with 1 of 2 aux fans) OR see if the fan can be replaced without removing the evaporator. Obviously, if the evap needs to come out, (to R/R the fan) then I guess we'll check and fix any significant leaks and re-charge the system. I've found R-12 12-oz cans for sale on CL. Anyone know how much I'd need? A friend with the proper tools is going to help me with this, as I've never done A/C work before. Anyone BTDT or have any suggestions/comments before I proceed? I think the general net-wisdom was not to convert to R-134, as I would not be happy with the results. Thanks, Angelo Giaimo Currently unemployed due to downsizing, and not being a crybaby about it. 1990 350 SDL Rodbender 276K Miles. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/72688439/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?
I wonder why he would say that. A starter will draw more amps with a larger cable, because the resistance of the whole circuit is lower. If the starter cables are noticeably warm after a hard cranking session, then you will get a higher cranking speed with larger cables. If the starter cables (and connectors) stay cool, there's probably little benefit to be had. I could however imagine that most of the resistance probably comes from corrosion over time, and a new cable of the factory diameter, or adding a second factory cable from the junkyard would probably yield most of the benefits for less cost. Tyler Curt Raymond wrote: Back when I lived in the apartment and had difficulties in below 0F temps (at which point a 61x engine gets hard to start) I'd suggested getting 0 or 00 gauge battery cables for my 240D. Old 6v tractors use that size (or bigger) cables since so many amps have to get to the starter. Marshall chided me and said that the starter wouldn't draw any more amps just because the cable is bigger. I still think its a good idea, if I keep my 240D long term or get the 116 300SD my friend taunts me with I may finally do it. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: Mercedes Question - favor for a friend
I sort of got the feeling that was part of the question: Should they be afraid of the 'lemon', or is it likely that the problems were fixed? It is under warranty for a bit yet. BillR -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: Mercedes Question - favor for a friend If it's a Lemon, what makes them think EVERYTHING has been fixed? Wilton - Original Message - From: Bill R billr32...@comcast.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com; 'Banned List' ban...@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:28 PM Subject: [MBZ] FW: Mercedes Question - favor for a friend I need a favor for a good friend. His son is looking to buy a MB [gasser, but some things can't be helped], and asked me to give some guidance to him. I know very little about late model Mercedes, but suggested that some of you folks do and might be willing to help. He has been looking and driving, and has narrowed it down to the two listed below. His question: What would a person who loves and drives MB's buy for himself? Your thoughts? TIA - BillR From: Matt Smith [mailto:chapmanp...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:25 PM To: bi...@iname.com Subject: Mercedes Question Bill: Thank you for your call and any assistance that your fellow board members can provide. I have included links to the 2 vehicles that we have tentatively narrowed our search down to. http://www.mjbautosales.com/detail-2007-mercedes~benz-e~class-e350-3983593.h tml http://www.phoenixmercedesbenz.com/VehicleDetails/424844853 Our Pros and Cons: Pros of the E350 being a great value and has all the options we want, Cons being it was previously bought back by the dealer due to California Lemon Law, everything has been fixed, but this is from an independent dealer so only has remaining factory warranty Pros of the C350 wonderful condition loaded with the options that we want and being sold by Mercedes dealer as Certified Pre-Owned Cons was used as a service loaner vehicle, not quite the overall value of the E350. I think our primary question is which car would someone who knows and loves Mercedes purchase for themselves? Thanks for all of your help, Matt Smith -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090526/b7 4a4df4/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?
Curt Raymond wrote: Marshall chided me and said that the starter wouldn't draw any more amps just because the cable is bigger. Maybe not, but the starter will see more voltage and spin faster because the larger cables have less voltage drop. That's what you really want anyway. To get an idea how much improvement is possible, measure cranking voltage at the battery and at the starter simultaneously. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT More on Chrysler
I have been trying to figure that out myself, same with GM Allan Streib wrote: If these dealerships are franchise businesses, how do they cost Chrysler anything? How will Chrysler save any money by having fewer franchise dealers? Allan -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT More on Chrysler
John Freer wrote: Mitch, First of all, that cartoon is 6 years old. Names were changed to protect the guilty. Secondly, why do you have to insert this crap into this List? First of all, I was seriously answering the question that Allan asked. Secondly: What cartoon? The one I sent to Banned and never mentioned here? Or the turtle photo and story that somebody else sent to Banned and I briefly mentioned here? Either way, untwist your panties, they're knotting up. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?
Less voltage drop across cables = more current flowing through circuit Ohm's law states I=V/R Where I is the current, V the (fairly constant) battery voltage, and R the total circuit resistance. If the voltage drop across the cables goes down (due to their resistance, which contributes to total R), there will be a corresponding increase in total current (I), and also an increase in the power used (and therefore cranking power produced) by the starter (power=I*V=V^2/R). Tyler Mitch Haley wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: Marshall chided me and said that the starter wouldn't draw any more amps just because the cable is bigger. Maybe not, but the starter will see more voltage and spin faster because the larger cables have less voltage drop. That's what you really want anyway. To get an idea how much improvement is possible, measure cranking voltage at the battery and at the starter simultaneously. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT More on Chrysler
Breaking news here and there says that almost all (like all but a very few) the whacked dealers had donated to the Republicans. I guess we'll have to wait to see if that story is real or not. --R Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I have been trying to figure that out myself, same with GM Allan Streib wrote: If these dealerships are franchise businesses, how do they cost Chrysler anything? How will Chrysler save any money by having fewer franchise dealers? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A/C Q's on a 126.....
You will likely fine an encrustation of dead bugs between the condenser and radiator, as the W126 seems to collect them there. This greatly reduces cooling capacity, and causes the engine to run hot in traffic, too. Peter -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Sent: May 27, 2009 3:43 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] A/C Q's on a 126. you are probably going to have to remove the radiator, then unclip the condenser and just tilt it back then you can unbolt the fans and get them out Angelo Giaimo wrote: The A/C on my 1990 350 SDL was not really cooling like it shouldand that was last summer. This year, it's worse. Since I've had the car, every 3-4 years, I usually have to add a 1/2 - 1 pound or so to get it to cool adequately, So, I guess it's time again. It also has those dual aux fans, right behind the grill and it looks like one is dead. Does anyone know if I need to Remove and Re-install the radiator, evaporator, et al to replace the fan, or is the fan replaceable (from the front) without removing them? As for the A/C, I've thought about just adding more R-12 to keep it cooling hopefully, for another few years (and running with 1 of 2 aux fans) OR see if the fan can be replaced without removing the evaporator. Obviously, if the evap needs to come out, (to R/R the fan) then I guess we'll check and fix any significant leaks and re-charge the system. I've found R-12 12-oz cans for sale on CL. Anyone know how much I'd need? A friend with the proper tools is going to help me with this, as I've never done A/C work before. Anyone BTDT or have any suggestions/comments before I proceed? I think the general net-wisdom was not to convert to R-134, as I would not be happy with the results. Thanks, Angelo Giaimo Currently unemployed due to downsizing, and not being a crybaby about it. 1990 350 SDL Rodbender 276K Miles. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/72688439/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT More on Chrysler
Rich Thomas wrote: Breaking news here and there says that almost all (like all but a very few) the whacked dealers had donated to the Republicans. I guess we'll have to wait to see if that story is real or not. A more likely theory is that the whacked dealers refused to overbuy on inventory back in February when asked to boost factory demand and help pull Chrysler out of its slump. Many of the lame duck dealers have complained of this. A really cynical theory would be that the dealers who were ordered to buy ridiculous quantities of inventory to rot on their lots were the same dealers that Chrysler was planning to cut loose and stick with all that inventory mess. I'm beginning to think that ALL the news reports are twisted in some manner or another. Maybe I should visit the nearest terminated dealer, walk up to the G.M. and say Hey Dave, can I ask you a couple of questions about the franchise termination? My main questions would be: 1. Was the UPS overnight letter a notice of termination, or a notice of intent to terminate if he didn't respond in court? 2. Did he ever receive ANY notification from the bankruptcy court that he was listed as a potential creditor whose rights were in danger if he didn't defend them in court? (One and two go to due process under the law. If Chrysler wanted to relieve itself of its obligations to him through bankruptcy, he should have been listed in Chrysler's creditor matrix when the BK was filed) (and Tom, I'm not going to assume you're ignorant of bankruptcy law like you did to me, but I am assuming I know more about it than you do) 3. Did Chrysler pressure him to purchase extra cars before they cut him loose? If yes, did he believe that surviving dealers were pressured in the same manner? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?
tyler wrote: Less voltage drop across cables = more current flowing through circuit Ohm's law states I=V/R But ohm's law is for resistive loads, not inductive. In some cases, starter current can go UP as voltage to the starter goes down. I thought you had an education in physics? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?
I was assuming that the starter would be approximately ohmic over the range of voltages provided by different cables. Perhaps this is a wrong assumption? If so, I apologize- I'm really not sure. I imagine it would depend on the design and load of the motor. Tyler Mitch Haley wrote: But ohm's law is for resistive loads, not inductive. In some cases, starter current can go UP as voltage to the starter goes down. I thought you had an education in physics? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?
I think his contention was that the stock cables were big enough and short enough that nothing I could put in would be any serious kind of improvement... -Curt Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:47:57 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a1da6fd.10...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Curt Raymond wrote: Marshall chided me and said that the starter wouldn't draw any more amps just because the cable is bigger. Maybe not, but the starter will see more voltage and spin faster because the larger cables have less voltage drop. That's what you really want anyway. To get an idea how much improvement is possible, measure cranking voltage at the battery and at the starter simultaneously. Mitch. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/b35e4d06/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] flex fuel
...Daughter found this article, quite interesting. Are any of the newer Benzes flex fuel? Would increased ethanol content have any adverse effects on newer (or older for that matter) engines/fuel systems? I know around here the boaters are having fits with ethanol-laced fuels as it absorbs water and causes problems in boat motors and systems. In Texas the fuel around Houston had 10% ethanol to help the local air quality, outside of the metro area it didn't have that much. Here in Charleston I think it has some but not 10% My C300 is a flex fuel model and the only C to be so. The E85 conversion means that every single component that comes into contact with the fuel must be ethanol proof. The fuel tanks are made of a different type of plastic as are all the o-rings and seals along the way including the injectors. The engine management computer and the 02 sensors (all four) are also changed. When switching from premium gas to E85, the tank must below below 1/4 but not into the reserve. Then, the O2 sensors detect a lean condition whereupon the main brain increases fuel flow to get the fuel/air ratio correct for E85. So, even though E85 is cheaper than gasoline, you use more of it. I have never used E85 although I'd try a tank or two as an experiment if I could buy it. But, there are no E85 pumps closer than about 25-30 miles so it makes little sense to me. And, the flex fuel model is no more after the 2009 models. My own feeling is that like hybrids and biodiesel, E85 is mostly a social statement and a gesture to keep the greenies at bay. BTW, E85 cannot be used in a car not designed for it. Washington State's Governor signed into law last year a measure that requires up to 10% ethanol is gas sold here which has led those who don't process info very well to believe that ALL gas has 10% ethanol content which is not so. The fact is that most gas producers have about 2% ethanol content and their premiums have none. This interpretation of the Federal requIrement meets the rule. The exception is ARCO plus some of the no-name fuels sold at supermarkets and minimarts which do contain 10% because of the govenment's ethanol subsidies. I use Chevron premium and it is ethanol free. RLE ** Dinner Made Easy Newsletter - Simple Meal Ideas for Your Family. Sign Up Now! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221991367x1201443283/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215225819%3B37274678%3Bs% 3Fhttp:%2F%2Frecipes.dinnermadeeasy.com%2F%3FESRC%3D622) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/0777a2a1/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Dead battery?
'Found the radio code - 'sure works nicely when you can punch in the right numbers - Yee--Hah!! Wilton -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/3cda2ffa/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: Mercedes Question - favor for a friend
Well, if the price is reduced because of the car's reputation and significant warranty remains, it may worth taking the chance. 'May depend on one's comfort level/confidence in the car vs the money expended. For example, if I didn't pay much, I wouldn't expect as much as I would for paying more and, when something breaks/quits, I wouldn't be as upset as I would be if I'd paid BIGGER money. Wilton - Original Message - From: Bill R billr32...@comcast.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: Mercedes Question - favor for a friend I sort of got the feeling that was part of the question: Should they be afraid of the 'lemon', or is it likely that the problems were fixed? It is under warranty for a bit yet. BillR -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: Mercedes Question - favor for a friend If it's a Lemon, what makes them think EVERYTHING has been fixed? Wilton - Original Message - From: Bill R billr32...@comcast.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com; 'Banned List' ban...@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:28 PM Subject: [MBZ] FW: Mercedes Question - favor for a friend I need a favor for a good friend. His son is looking to buy a MB [gasser, but some things can't be helped], and asked me to give some guidance to him. I know very little about late model Mercedes, but suggested that some of you folks do and might be willing to help. He has been looking and driving, and has narrowed it down to the two listed below. His question: What would a person who loves and drives MB's buy for himself? Your thoughts? TIA - BillR From: Matt Smith [mailto:chapmanp...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:25 PM To: bi...@iname.com Subject: Mercedes Question Bill: Thank you for your call and any assistance that your fellow board members can provide. I have included links to the 2 vehicles that we have tentatively narrowed our search down to. http://www.mjbautosales.com/detail-2007-mercedes~benz-e~class-e350-3983593.h tml http://www.phoenixmercedesbenz.com/VehicleDetails/424844853 Our Pros and Cons: Pros of the E350 being a great value and has all the options we want, Cons being it was previously bought back by the dealer due to California Lemon Law, everything has been fixed, but this is from an independent dealer so only has remaining factory warranty Pros of the C350 wonderful condition loaded with the options that we want and being sold by Mercedes dealer as Certified Pre-Owned Cons was used as a service loaner vehicle, not quite the overall value of the E350. I think our primary question is which car would someone who knows and loves Mercedes purchase for themselves? Thanks for all of your help, Matt Smith -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090526/b7 4a4df4/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?
Thats true but Curt's first law of entropy says it probably doesn't matter. I used to be able to get my 240D to start at -10F. That was with a real good battery, 0w40 oil, new glow plugs and lotsa luck. Below that absolutely required the block heater or a tug from the pickup, and a serious tug at that... So if the thicker cables made it start at -11F, so what? Is the gain worth the effort and cost is the question. When I was living in the apartment and powering the block heater ment hauling the 50# battery down to the car yeah I'd probably have cared. With a 60x engine (like my 190D) I don't think I'd have cared. I haven't got as much data (it hasn't been as cold interestingly) but my 190D lights off real good at 0F where the 240D would have a tougher time so I'm convinced it's bottom starting temp will be lower than the 240D. I haven't had an opportunity to find out yet. -Curt Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 13:57:26 -0700 From: tyler casi...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a1da936.50...@usermail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Less voltage drop across cables = more current flowing through circuit Ohm's law states I=V/R Where I is the current, V the (fairly constant) battery voltage, and R the total circuit resistance. If the voltage drop across the cables goes down (due to their resistance, which contributes to total R), there will be a corresponding increase in total current (I), and also an increase in the power used (and therefore cranking power produced) by the starter (power=I*V=V^2/R). Tyler Mitch Haley wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: Marshall chided me and said that the starter wouldn't draw any more amps just because the cable is bigger. Maybe not, but the starter will see more voltage and spin faster because the larger cables have less voltage drop. That's what you really want anyway. To get an idea how much improvement is possible, measure cranking voltage at the battery and at the starter simultaneously. Mitch. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/42c50c3b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?
Curt Raymond wrote: I think his contention was that the stock cables were big enough and short enough that nothing I could put in would be any serious kind of improvement... Aha, the Marshall theory of Mercedes engineers know more about car design than you do. Which, generally speaking, holds true, I guess. They would be less likely to underspec the cables than, say, Generous Motors. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?
We used to make battery cables out of welding cable cutoffs and scraps, which would typically be 4/0 cable with a rubber jacket and very, very fine conductors (not like a 4/0 that would be used for building wiring, for example.) I can say that in every instance where I did this, and I did it on many different cars, both domestic and foreign, there was a noticeable difference in cranking speed. I would add that we also used soldered battery terminals and solid copper high pressure crimp lugs on the ends, too, so the electrical and mechanical connections were quite robust. I can remember one car in particular that improved so substantially from this mod that you only had to tap the ignition key to start it Dan --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 6:57 PM Curt Raymond wrote: I think his contention was that the stock cables were big enough and short enough that nothing I could put in would be any serious kind of improvement... Aha, the Marshall theory of Mercedes engineers know more about car design than you do. Which, generally speaking, holds true, I guess. They would be less likely to underspec the cables than, say, Generous Motors. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?
You have a good point, and it's probably what Marshall was getting at. Of course, as cables age and corrode their resistance can get higher, and eventually need replacement- especially if battery acid has seeped down the length of the cable, which is pretty common unless the car has always been used with sealed batteries. In comparison of my 190DT to the aforementioned Volvo 760 Turbo Diesel (retrofitted with larger cables)- I noticed that the 190DT has a much thicker starter cable, and that the battery is located much closer to the starter. Both engines are about the same size and compression ratio. Where I live the lowest temperature ever recorded was 22F, so I'm not too concerned about starting my 190DT. In fact, I currently have a few bad glow plugs which I haven't gotten around to replacing yet because it still fires up on the first crank every time. Maybe this weekend once I get the garage cleared out Tyler Mitch Haley wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: I think his contention was that the stock cables were big enough and short enough that nothing I could put in would be any serious kind of improvement... Aha, the Marshall theory of Mercedes engineers know more about car design than you do. Which, generally speaking, holds true, I guess. They would be less likely to underspec the cables than, say, Generous Motors. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Any Q's This Year?
Uh ... no, I won't go there. On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: witness the abortive Q I tried years ago... -- The only absolute is that everything is relative. --Henri de Saint Simon -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/9add12f7/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Auxiliary fans
that was a 560SEL? Douglas - Original Message - From: M G trainpain2...@yahoo.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Auxiliary fans I'll have to find me a couple of those and retrofit my car. Manfred Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 06:04:54 -0700 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net Subject: [MBZ] Auxiliary fans It takes a bit of heat to get them to come on doesn't it. Speaking of auxiliary fans, I'm impressed at how much air the twin fans of the 560 SEL move, and how quietly. Could barely hear them when they kicked on while charging the AC, yet the hot blast of air made me have to get a string to tie to the throttle to rev it up rather than grasping it directly. Unlike everything else we've got, which roar when they come on. -- Jim -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/c7de0905/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Auxiliary fans
Jim, what year is your 560? Douglas wrote: that was a 560SEL? Douglas - Original Message - From: M G trainpain2...@yahoo.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Auxiliary fans I'll have to find me a couple of those and retrofit my car. Manfred Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 06:04:54 -0700 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net Subject: [MBZ] Auxiliary fans It takes a bit of heat to get them to come on doesn't it. Speaking of auxiliary fans, I'm impressed at how much air the twin fans of the 560 SEL move, and how quietly. Could barely hear them when they kicked on while charging the AC, yet the hot blast of air made me have to get a string to tie to the throttle to rev it up rather than grasping it directly. Unlike everything else we've got, which roar when they come on. -- Jim -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/c7de0905/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.42/2137 - Release Date: 05/27/09 07:50:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/1db8eb21/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Any Q's This Year?
All you clowns live too far away from me..or do I live too far away from you? Bob R On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Early September, Dwight organizes that part since if I had to do it the Q would fall on its face, witness the abortive Q I tried years ago... I'll be on food duty again this year but promise to be much better organized and have a better grill... -Curt Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:56:51 + (UTC) From: pm7...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Any Q's This Year? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 952454891.14270871243436211322.javamail.r...@sz0127a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date? Are you buying a new clam? -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/8704cdc5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/1a2f6b36/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Any Q's This Year?
You are welcome to any gathering IF you bring a low mile, rust free car with a low for-sale price. And sell it. Many of us wake up with dreams of living in a place where cars wear out rather than rust out. I kept my 240D in the garage all of last winter to stay out of the road salt and it still rusted some (more). On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: All you clowns live too far away from me..or do I live too far away from you? Bob R -- The only absolute is that everything is relative. --Henri de Saint Simon -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/04c3e2aa/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A/C Q's on a 126.....
As for the A/C, I've thought about just adding more R-12 to keep it cooling hopefully, for another few years (and running with 1 of 2 aux fans) OR see if the fan can be replaced without removing the evaporator. Obviously, if the evap needs to come out, (to R/R the fan) then I guess we'll check and fix any significant leaks and re-charge the system. Hydrocarbon refrigerants also work well. I've found R-12 12-oz cans for sale on CL. Anyone know how much I'd need? A friend with the proper tools is going to help me with this, as I've never done A/C work before. Should be on a sticker on the radiator support. 2.6#? But how much _you_ need to top off an undercharge is best determined with a gauge set, and a conservative mindset. If actually using R12 you could charge until the sight glass was clear, while monitoring the gauges as a fail-safe. Don't convert to R134a. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?
To get an idea how much improvement is possible, measure cranking voltage at the battery and at the starter simultaneously. Better, and easier, is to measure the voltage between the battery post and the starter terminal. (And for grins, between the battery's other post and the engine block.) While cranking. It should be low. The lower the better. But ohm's law is for resistive loads, not inductive. In some cases, starter current can go UP as voltage to the starter goes down. Ohm's law is for everybody, but if you're talking about reactive loads you are talking about impedance, not resistance. (Which includes phase angle, and you won't get that from your garden-variety DMM.) I suspect that the effect is negligible here, especially under heavy mechanical load. Inductance can only make the problem _worse_, by encouraging extra resistive losses in the imperfect cable. And I'm not sure how batteries respond to highly reactive loads. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Auxiliary fans
Jim, what year is your 560? 1991. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Diesel Jag
Jaguar XF Diesel S review The 3.0-litre unit comes in two power and torque outputs: 236 or 271bhp, with 368 or 442lb ft of torque respectively. The transmission is a six-speed automatic. The secret to unleashing all this extra power is sequential turbocharging, where one small turbo blows at low engine revs to boost driveability and then another, larger turbo takes the strain at higher revs. The high-powered model we drove is startling: a max 155mph, 0-60mph in 5.9sec and 30mpg. When you floor the throttle, the nose lifts, the traction-control lamp flickers and the car heads for the hills. Diesel cars aren't supposed to behave like this while giving 30mpg-plus economy. Part of the Jaguar appeal is a combination of ride and handling that eludes the German opposition. Jaguar, without appearing to try very hard, manages to outride, outhandle and outdo the competition in almost every measure..snip http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/carreviews/5392557/Jaguar-XF-Diesel-S-review.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Any Q's This Year?
Tell you what, I'll personally offer a prize for the person who travels the longest distance to get to the ChowdaQ. Last year it was me I believe at ~95 miles although I'm given to understand Fred's route down may have given him an edge. The quality of the prize will have several factors: #1. Distance Traveled #2. Driven in an MB vs some other brand vs some other mode of transport #3. Cost of MB driven. This factor will be inversely proportional, thus a more expensive car will get a lower quality prize vs a very cheap one. I shall endevor to bring Hammie my $400 240D the 95 miles this year. Heck I drove it 110 miles today and 330 miles total last week, I *should* even have new oil cooler lines in by then... -Curt Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:44:09 -0700 From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Any Q's This Year? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 2479e1690905271744x10e55b80y5df0c3fe67706...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 All you clowns live too far away from me..or do I live too far away from you? Bob R -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/22c8a5c1/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Any Q's This Year?
Mercyif I came I'd be a shoe in for that prize. In '94, I drove my '81 300D 8K miles over the summerfrom here in AZ to NYC and back (with lots of side trips in between). I would not hesitate to take off for there (if, of course, I could work it out time-off wise from the old nuke plant) in my '77 300D. Bob R On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Tell you what, I'll personally offer a prize for the person who travels the longest distance to get to the ChowdaQ. Last year it was me I believe at ~95 miles although I'm given to understand Fred's route down may have given him an edge. The quality of the prize will have several factors: #1. Distance Traveled #2. Driven in an MB vs some other brand vs some other mode of transport #3. Cost of MB driven. This factor will be inversely proportional, thus a more expensive car will get a lower quality prize vs a very cheap one. I shall endevor to bring Hammie my $400 240D the 95 miles this year. Heck I drove it 110 miles today and 330 miles total last week, I *should* even have new oil cooler lines in by then... -Curt Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:44:09 -0700 From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Any Q's This Year? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 2479e1690905271744x10e55b80y5df0c3fe67706...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 All you clowns live too far away from me..or do I live too far away from you? Bob R -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/22c8a5c1/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/79d2a4ee/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?
Mitch Haley wrote: tyler wrote: Less voltage drop across cables = more current flowing through circuit Ohm's law states I=V/R But ohm's law is for resistive loads, not inductive. In some cases, starter current can go UP as voltage to the starter goes down. I thought you had an education in physics? Mitch. Inductance? In a DC motor? I know that switch DC is non-cyclic AC - but after half a second, that should no longer apply. Then there is no inductance. Right? --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Any Q's This Year?
What's the location? 1412 miles from my house to my old duty station (Coast Guard Air Station Cape Cod) 1412 getting there, and another 1412 coming home. And that is by no means a promise to attend! On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Tell you what, I'll personally offer a prize for the person who travels the longest distance to get to the ChowdaQ. -- The only absolute is that everything is relative. --Henri de Saint Simon -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/07bf6c82/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Any Q's This Year?
you live too far away Bob Rentfro wrote: All you clowns live too far away from me..or do I live too far away from you? Bob R Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Auxiliary fans
I have ALWAYS wanted a 91 560SEL. I have a 89 but always wanted a 91 so it would have the cd changer in the trunk option. Jim Cathey wrote: Jim, what year is your 560? 1991. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.42/2137 - Release Date: 05/27/09 07:50:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/b69f54be/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol
Curt wrote: What do you use to stabilize your fuel stabilizer? Classic. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT More on Chrysler
Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net writes: it's a command economy now Well, we've seen how well that works elsewhere. Ford will soon be the last operating major US automaker. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A/C Q's on a 126.....
The SDL I used to own had been converted to R134a by the PO at a conversion shop. I have no idea if it was done correctly nor how long before I got the car, but it did cool nicely in the OK 100+ summers. On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: As for the A/C, I've thought about just adding more R-12 to keep it cooling hopefully, for another few years (and running with 1 of 2 aux fans) OR see if the fan can be replaced without removing the evaporator. Obviously, if the evap needs to come out, (to R/R the fan) then I guess we'll check and fix any significant leaks and re-charge the system. Hydrocarbon refrigerants also work well. I've found R-12 12-oz cans for sale on CL. Anyone know how much I'd need? A friend with the proper tools is going to help me with this, as I've never done A/C work before. Should be on a sticker on the radiator support. 2.6#? But how much _you_ need to top off an undercharge is best determined with a gauge set, and a conservative mindset. If actually using R12 you could charge until the sight glass was clear, while monitoring the gauges as a fail-safe. Don't convert to R134a. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/07164d66/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Jag
VERY interesting On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 4:22 PM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Jaguar XF Diesel S review The 3.0-litre unit comes in two power and torque outputs: 236 or 271bhp, with 368 or 442lb ft of torque respectively. The transmission is a six-speed automatic. The secret to unleashing all this extra power is sequential turbocharging, where one small turbo blows at low engine revs to boost driveability and then another, larger turbo takes the strain at higher revs. The high-powered model we drove is startling: a max 155mph, 0-60mph in 5.9sec and 30mpg. When you floor the throttle, the nose lifts, the traction-control lamp flickers and the car heads for the hills. Diesel cars aren't supposed to behave like this while giving 30mpg-plus economy. Part of the Jaguar appeal is a combination of ride and handling that eludes the German opposition. Jaguar, without appearing to try very hard, manages to outride, outhandle and outdo the competition in almost every measure..snip http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/carreviews/5392557/Jaguar-XF-Diesel-S-review.html -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/ada36fb4/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Any Q's This Year?
I don't know. Been thinking about this a bit (re: New England Q). Once a diesel is started, it tends to keep on running. If you can drive it (as I do) 60 miles during a weekend, why not 600 miles? Why not 6000 miles (stopping as necessary for a toilet break). I have had four weeks of vacation banked for the last ten years. (I rarely take a day off.) That means I stay maxed out, and forfeit vacation time every two weeks when the direct deposit check hits the bank. Why not do the road trip of a lifetime? I have funds in the bank to cover an adventure like this. I have a GPS. I have a cell phone. I have room in the trunk for a case of Mobil 1 15W-50. Why not? On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: you live too far away Bob Rentfro wrote: All you clowns live too far away from me..or do I live too far away from you? Bob R -- The only absolute is that everything is relative. --Henri de Saint Simon -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/05576bb1/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Iinstalling Unwiredtools CLIMATE CONTROL
I don't remember that, but it could well be. I'll check it sometime. BillR -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of MG Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:12 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Iinstalling Unwiredtools CLIMATE CONTROL Cool. It takes a bit of heat to get them to come on doesn't it. Caught me at first also. BTW Billr I seem to remember you said your fan comes on all the time with the AC. Remember that for the next time we work on your car. I want to check why that is. It shouldn't be. Not that it matters much but I'm kind of curious about that. Manfred Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:41:45 -0700 From: Douglas jgi...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Iinstalling Unwiredtools CLIMATE CONTROL It turns out that I didn't have to test the fan and relay assy. as today its just above 95' and when I got home the aux fan came on by itself!! Thanks for all your support.. Douglas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Jag
archer arche...@embarqmail.com writes: Part of the Jaguar appeal is a combination of ride and handling that eludes the German opposition. Jaguar, without appearing to try very hard, manages to outride, outhandle and outdo the competition in almost every measure..snip Yes, I'm sure it's a very nice ride back and forth to the service shop ;-). Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Counts on the trip
I saw two more 126s today - that brings the total to three for the trip. Only 480 miles tomorrow. The Smart Car count is up to 7 - one more today. SUre thought those numbers would be the other way around. Saw one more GL today - beought that count up to 4. I \'ve seen too many MLs to count - I thought these were POS cars - so why are so many on the road? FYI - massive number of Highway Patrol cars just after the speed limit drops to 65MPH 15 miles East (heading West) of Memphis on I-40. I saw 5 waiting, and 1 with a catch. Several were in VA as well, but not as many as we saw on the way East. I sure hate it when one semi is driving 1mph (or less) than another and decides to pass him. Takes miles to get by, blocking both lanes the whole time. -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/818d56cc/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Counts on the trip
If you ever make it up to Jefferson, you will count (I think) ten Benz vehicles, everything from my two beaters to a C-Class, a new G-Class, a couple of S's and even two old AMGs tucked away in a Morton building (across the street from my office -- they came in from California). On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:26 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I saw two more 126s today - that brings the total to three for the trip. Only 480 miles tomorrow. The Smart Car count is up to 7 - one more today. SUre thought those numbers would be the other way around. Saw one more GL today - beought that count up to 4. I \'ve seen too many MLs to count - I thought these were POS cars - so why are so many on the road? FYI - massive number of Highway Patrol cars just after the speed limit drops to 65MPH 15 miles East (heading West) of Memphis on I-40. I saw 5 waiting, and 1 with a catch. Several were in VA as well, but not as many as we saw on the way East. I sure hate it when one semi is driving 1mph (or less) than another and decides to pass him. Takes miles to get by, blocking both lanes the whole time. -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/818d56cc/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- The only absolute is that everything is relative. --Henri de Saint Simon -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/88282438/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Counts on the trip
My youngest and I were out this evening, and happened to park next to an old 4 door K-car. We spent about 5 minutes going around the car, looking at the various subtle (and not so subtle) MB styling rip-offs that Chrysler did of the 126 chassis. He found it to be quite educational. I'm so proud - he's decided that he wants to find a Datsun 280Z to restore. Not my first choice, of course, but I'm glad to see he has an interest in older cars. New stuff is just, well, soul-less if you ask me... Dan --- On Wed, 5/27/09, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] Counts on the trip To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 10:26 PM I saw two more 126s today - that brings the total to three for the trip. Only 480 miles tomorrow. The Smart Car count is up to 7 - one more today. SUre thought those numbers would be the other way around. Saw one more GL today - beought that count up to 4. I \'ve seen too many MLs to count - I thought these were POS cars - so why are so many on the road? FYI - massive number of Highway Patrol cars just after the speed limit drops to 65MPH 15 miles East (heading West) of Memphis on I-40. I saw 5 waiting, and 1 with a catch. Several were in VA as well, but not as many as we saw on the way East. I sure hate it when one semi is driving 1mph (or less) than another and decides to pass him. Takes miles to get by, blocking both lanes the whole time. -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/818d56cc/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Counts on the trip
OK Don okd...@gmail.com writes: FYI - massive number of Highway Patrol cars just after the speed limit drops to 65MPH 15 miles East (heading West) of Memphis on I-40. I saw 5 waiting, and 1 with a catch. Several were in VA as well, but not as many as we saw on the way East. In Indiana the state police are using unmarked Mustangs. I saw one with a guy pulled over tonight, a few minutes later he passed me at probably 90+ mph and within minutes snared another victim. -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Jag
Interesting except: My 4 year old CDI gets better mileage (35 mpg) and is only .7 seconds slower to 60. What's the big deal? John On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:22 PM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Jaguar XF Diesel S review The 3.0-litre unit comes in two power and torque outputs: 236 or 271bhp, with 368 or 442lb ft of torque respectively. The transmission is a six-speed automatic. The secret to unleashing all this extra power is sequential turbocharging, where one small turbo blows at low engine revs to boost driveability and then another, larger turbo takes the strain at higher revs. The high-powered model we drove is startling: a max 155mph, 0-60mph in 5.9sec and 30mpg. When you floor the throttle, the nose lifts, the traction-control lamp flickers and the car heads for the hills. Diesel cars aren't supposed to behave like this while giving 30mpg-plus economy. Part of the Jaguar appeal is a combination of ride and handling that eludes the German opposition. Jaguar, without appearing to try very hard, manages to outride, outhandle and outdo the competition in almost every measure..snip http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/carreviews/5392557/Jaguar-XF-Diesel-S-review.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: Mercedes Question - favor for a friend
I think they were talking high $20k to low $30's. For that money I suspect they would want pretty trouble free. Bill -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:39 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: Mercedes Question - favor for a friend Well, if the price is reduced because of the car's reputation and significant warranty remains, it may worth taking the chance. 'May depend on one's comfort level/confidence in the car vs the money expended. For example, if I didn't pay much, I wouldn't expect as much as I would for paying more and, when something breaks/quits, I wouldn't be as upset as I would be if I'd paid BIGGER money. Wilton - Original Message - From: Bill R billr32...@comcast.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: Mercedes Question - favor for a friend I sort of got the feeling that was part of the question: Should they be afraid of the 'lemon', or is it likely that the problems were fixed? It is under warranty for a bit yet. BillR -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: Mercedes Question - favor for a friend If it's a Lemon, what makes them think EVERYTHING has been fixed? Wilton - Original Message - From: Bill R billr32...@comcast.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com; 'Banned List' ban...@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:28 PM Subject: [MBZ] FW: Mercedes Question - favor for a friend I need a favor for a good friend. His son is looking to buy a MB [gasser, but some things can't be helped], and asked me to give some guidance to him. I know very little about late model Mercedes, but suggested that some of you folks do and might be willing to help. He has been looking and driving, and has narrowed it down to the two listed below. His question: What would a person who loves and drives MB's buy for himself? Your thoughts? TIA - BillR From: Matt Smith [mailto:chapmanp...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:25 PM To: bi...@iname.com Subject: Mercedes Question Bill: Thank you for your call and any assistance that your fellow board members can provide. I have included links to the 2 vehicles that we have tentatively narrowed our search down to. http://www.mjbautosales.com/detail-2007-mercedes~benz-e~class-e350-3983593.h tml http://www.phoenixmercedesbenz.com/VehicleDetails/424844853 Our Pros and Cons: Pros of the E350 being a great value and has all the options we want, Cons being it was previously bought back by the dealer due to California Lemon Law, everything has been fixed, but this is from an independent dealer so only has remaining factory warranty Pros of the C350 wonderful condition loaded with the options that we want and being sold by Mercedes dealer as Certified Pre-Owned Cons was used as a service loaner vehicle, not quite the overall value of the E350. I think our primary question is which car would someone who knows and loves Mercedes purchase for themselves? Thanks for all of your help, Matt Smith -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090526/b7 4a4df4/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Counts on the trip
My youngest was looking at all the cars his buds drove, rode in most, drove several, then decided to look for an MB. None of the others measured up to the old MBs he grew up with. He settled on one made the same year he was - 1987, hence the '87 300D we did the head job on last summer. On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:31 PM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: My youngest and I were out this evening, and happened to park next to an old 4 door K-car. We spent about 5 minutes going around the car, looking at the various subtle (and not so subtle) MB styling rip-offs that Chrysler did of the 126 chassis. He found it to be quite educational. I'm so proud - he's decided that he wants to find a Datsun 280Z to restore. Not my first choice, of course, but I'm glad to see he has an interest in older cars. New stuff is just, well, soul-less if you ask me... Dan -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/3978cc7b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Jag
More Diesels on the road -- Saw an ML320 CDI today --- On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:33 PM, John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting except: My 4 year old CDI gets better mileage (35 mpg) and is only .7 seconds slower to 60. What's the big deal? John -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/eac091ea/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
