Re: [MBZ] Found the lost key on a 300SD, 1981

2009-08-22 Thread Barry Stark
Tim - Interesting you should ask as I just had a locksmith make a duplicate key for my '81 SD today in Long Beach CA. The machine appeared to be a computerized CNC like milling machine. My understanding from my Indy is that they insert the key to be copied into the machine and it reads out the key

Re: [MBZ] 123/201 busted parts

2009-08-22 Thread Hendrik Fay
So you've had all these dramas with MB over the years but still keep buying these heaps? Are you a glutton for punishment? Hendrik who'd rather push his MB than drive a BMW, although the last time one of my Benzes was pushed the missus got to do the pushing relng...@aol.com wrote: . I

Re: [MBZ] Found the lost key on a 300SD, 1981

2009-08-22 Thread Mitch Haley
Barry Stark wrote: Tim - Interesting you should ask as I just had a locksmith make a duplicate key for my '81 SD today in Long Beach CA. The machine appeared to be a computerized CNC like milling machine. My understanding from my Indy is that they insert the key to be copied into the machine and

Re: [MBZ] 123/201 busted parts

2009-08-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
showed up. Finally some real competition, like them or not, and the W202 was far better, at least in M104 form. RLE -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090822/4d72fa00

Re: [MBZ] Found the lost key on a 300SD, 1981

2009-08-22 Thread Loren Faeth
It is not surprising that you can have that done in a Mercedes-rich environment like Long Beach. (SOCAL in general) In the most of the rest of the country, there is 0% chance of a locksmith having that sophisticated equipment. my former E320 was from a top 10 population area and it came

Re: [MBZ] Fwd: [Banned] maybe Jaime can chime in on this?

2009-08-22 Thread Loren Faeth
Jaime, Welcome to the okie list! At 08:55 PM 8/21/2009, you wrote: Hi everyone,I joined the list to forward this myself! Jaime -- Forwarded message -- From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com Date: Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [Banned] maybe Jaime can chime in

Re: [MBZ] 123/201 busted parts

2009-08-22 Thread Loren Faeth
That is why it is best to wait until they are 7-15 years old, and the ellingsons of the world have paid for all the repairs. At 01:04 PM 8/22/2009, you wrote: So you've had all these dramas with MB over the years but still keep buying these heaps? Are you a glutton for punishment? Hendrik

Re: [MBZ] Found the lost key on a 300SD, 1981

2009-08-22 Thread OK Don
the head and noticed it was made in Italy. Barry -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090822/fd0af939/attachment.html

Re: [MBZ] Found the lost key on a 300SD, 1981

2009-08-22 Thread WILTON
it was made in Italy. Barry -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090822/fd0af939/attachment.html ___ http

Re: [MBZ] V8's from W116 and W126

2009-08-22 Thread Ed Booher
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Re: [MBZ] Found the lost key on a 300SD, 1981

2009-08-22 Thread Barry Stark
Don - I never said it was a great value or even equal to the dealer supplied key. I believe the question that I was responding to was about machines using the key code to produce the key. I was surprised that a sophisticated key duplicating machine like this even existed in a neighborhood

[MBZ] pulling the head on my 140

2009-08-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
So Im right in the middle of pulling the head on the 140. Im down to pulling the timing chain slide rail pins and removing the head bolts. I have the special MB slide hammer type tool for removing the pins but the WILL NOT budge at all. I have never had problems getting those out with this

Re: [MBZ] pulling the head on my 140

2009-08-22 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 14:13:28 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I have the special MB slide hammer type tool for removing the pins but the WILL NOT budge at all. I have never had problems getting those out with this tool. Im thinking I need to try the other type of extractor

Re: [MBZ] V8's from W116 and W126

2009-08-22 Thread Peter Frederick
Yup -- 1968 was the first year for the M116, I think, with D-Jet. D-Jet is pressure regulated, and Benz decided that it was vasty easier to use K-Jet (and later KE-Jet and LH-Jet) injection as the emissions requirements tightened up. D-Jet was hard to adapt to feedback, I think, and K-Jet

Re: [MBZ] pulling the head on my 140

2009-08-22 Thread Peter Frederick
Use the other extractor, it's better than a slide hammer, and is in fact the one specified in the manual. Works great. Loosen the head bolts in reverse order of tightening. I've done that for 30 years or more now, it's pretty much the standard way to do things. There is a specified way

Re: [MBZ] pulling the head on my 140

2009-08-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
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Re: [MBZ] pulling the head on my 140

2009-08-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I already removed the cam in the specified manner. Peter Frederick wrote: Use the other extractor, it's better than a slide hammer, and is in fact the one specified in the manual. Works great. Loosen the head bolts in reverse order of tightening. I've done that for 30 years or more now,

Re: [MBZ] pulling the head on my 140

2009-08-22 Thread dave walton
I used a long bolt with multiple layers of washers and a nut to apply pressure. Was not pretty, but it worked. Washers fit over the pin to apply pressure at the base topped off with one with a smaller hole that allowed the nut to seat and transfer pressure to the others. Looking for tightening

Re: [MBZ] pulling the head on my 140

2009-08-22 Thread dave walton
My copy of WIS won't start. Not sure why. I see it on the Process list, but no window appears. The sequence is in there somewhere. It's a bad scan of a bad drawing with numbers in circles showing the order. About half the numbers are legible. As I recall there were 2 torque steps, then you turn

Re: [MBZ] pulling the head on my 140

2009-08-22 Thread Peter Frederick
Actually, it does, but not by number. I'll dig it up later. Center out, alternating sides. Big pain, really takes two people to do, one to work the wrench and one to keep track of the bolts. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go

[MBZ] The missus got to do the pushing [was: Re: 123/201 busted parts]

2009-08-22 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 03:34:59 +0930 Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: So you've had all these dramas with MB over the years but still keep buying these heaps? Are you a glutton for punishment? Hendrik who'd rather push his MB than drive a BMW, although the last time one of my

[MBZ] W110 - Headlights

2009-08-22 Thread Ed Booher
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Re: [MBZ] V8's from W116 and W126

2009-08-22 Thread Jim Cathey
D-Jet was hard to adapt to feedback, I think, and K-Jet gives better fuel mixture regulation at all speeds, too. D-Jet is electronic, K-Jet mechanical, D-Jet was more complex, and less reliable IIRC. That extra set of points... -- Jim ___

Re: [MBZ] W110 - Headlights

2009-08-22 Thread Jim Cathey
Can anyone tell me the size of the headlight on the W110? Yeah, take your choice: 1) It's about so big holds up fingers. 2) 12V I couldn't resist! :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list

Re: [MBZ] W110 - Headlights

2009-08-22 Thread Ed Booher
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Re: [MBZ] Have to explain everything

2009-08-22 Thread RELNGSON
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Re: [MBZ] MB Enthusiast

2009-08-22 Thread Ed Booher
Indiana -- I've come to your planet on a Class IV Intergalactic Doom Freighter. - Adrian Monk -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090822/00dcd683/attachment.html

Re: [MBZ] pay attention

2009-08-22 Thread RELNGSON
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Re: [MBZ] The missus got to do the pushing [was: Re: 123/201 busted parts]

2009-08-22 Thread Hendrik Fay
Well you know I didn't want to get my glass slippers dirty so I told her to get out and push. Seriously though, this was an South African W123 200 with a carby on it, it was always running rich and using fuel like it was free, so I was forever fiddling with it. Anyway this particular time

Re: [MBZ] W110 - Headlights

2009-08-22 Thread Ed Booher
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Re: [MBZ] Have to explain everything

2009-08-22 Thread Hendrik Fay
The part I don't get is you whine about how unreliable MBs are, list a 100 or so faults you have had over the years but keep buying them, whether they where fixed under warranty or not doesn't come into it. I would have thought you might have bought another brand to avoid the weekly trip to

Re: [MBZ] V8's from W116 and W126

2009-08-22 Thread Peter Frederick
That unreliable extra set of four, actually. Long before the days of inductive pickups, after all. With a crank position sensor and breakerless ignition it's not so bad, but by then K-Jet was cheaper and simpler. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For

Re: [MBZ] pay attention Roger is talking

2009-08-22 Thread Hendrik Fay
Old cars that pretty much drive like the day the exited the showroom. Hendrik with an old 89 TE that has a few rattles after 380K kmhs but it does the job and everything (including climate control and cruise) works on it relng...@aol.com wrote: ...That is why it is best to wait until they

Re: [MBZ] W110 - Headlights

2009-08-22 Thread Peter Frederick
Two or four headlamps? With two, almost always 7. With four, 5 3/4. DOT sealed beam, that 's all that was legal until the 80's. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] pay attention Roger is talking

2009-08-22 Thread Gary Hurst
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Re: [MBZ] pulling the head on my 140

2009-08-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
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Re: [MBZ] Found the lost key on a 300SD, 1981

2009-08-22 Thread OK Don
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[MBZ] what do you folks think about this post?

2009-08-22 Thread Wonko the Sane
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[MBZ] '91 300E, 103 engine

2009-08-22 Thread OK Don
serpentine belt tensioner that the 602/603 uses? -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090822/af6f2c43/attachment.html

Re: [MBZ] what do you folks think about this post?

2009-08-22 Thread OK Don
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[MBZ] MB Enthusiast

2009-08-22 Thread RELNGSON
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[MBZ] The head is off, not sure what to think yet

2009-08-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Well just got done getting the head off. Geez. Thought I had everything loose, would not come off, had a bracket from exhaust manifold to block still attached. OK, unhooked it, still would not come off. Discovered a head bolt I forgot to get loose, still wont come off. Another head bolt

Re: [MBZ] '91 300E, 103 engine

2009-08-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
OK Don wrote: How many miles per gallon can one expect to get, highway and/or mixed, in one of these cars? look on fueleconomy.gov Do you have to burn premium fuel, or will it adjust the timing for regular or medium? you have to at least use mid grade What to look for other than

Re: [MBZ] pulling the head on my 140

2009-08-22 Thread Peter Frederick
Yes, it does. Center out, as always, to avoid trapping stresses. Actual sequence depends on the gasket. Some are two torque steps, some are a single torque step and then two 90 degree turns, with a 10 min settling time between. That was the case on the 603, anyway. Use new bolts, too

Re: [MBZ] '91 300E, 103 engine

2009-08-22 Thread Wonko the Sane
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Re: [MBZ] pulling the head on my 140

2009-08-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090822

Re: [MBZ] The head is off, not sure what to think yet

2009-08-22 Thread Jim Cathey
looking from the naked eye it seems the rest stick up just a bit past the deck, and #1 is flush. Also, I can see the cross hatch marks in all the cylinders, even #1 but I do not know if its just my imagination, the lighting or what but it seems like the marks in #1 are fainter than the rest.

Re: [MBZ] what do you folks think about this post?

2009-08-22 Thread Jim Cathey
I think that an acid flush, and a check of whether the recirculation sealing surface of the double-acting thermostat's housing was in good shape, would be called for. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search

Re: [MBZ] The head is off, not sure what to think yet

2009-08-22 Thread Benz Hogs
What is with all the oil around cylinders 1 and 6? Looks more like head gasket issue? Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine

Re: [MBZ] '91 300E, 103 engine

2009-08-22 Thread E M
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Re: [MBZ] The head is off, not sure what to think yet

2009-08-22 Thread Peter Frederick
Kaleb: On the head job: head gasket is failed on # 1 and #6, #1 into the oil passage and #6 into the head bolt holes. May also have been blown into the water passages -- that glassy carbon is the result of water in the cylinders. Could be a sign of a cracked head, but it's not typical

Re: [MBZ] The head is off, not sure what to think yet

2009-08-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
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Re: [MBZ] pulling the head on my 140

2009-08-22 Thread Benz Hogs
When I did the head on my SDL, there was a specific pattern given in the manual. Same pattern for both tightening and loosening. Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold

Re: [MBZ] The head is off, not sure what to think yet

2009-08-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
About every since I have had the car, there has been quite a bit of oil on the outside of the engine above the alternator, could not tell where it was coming from though. Reason I pulled the head was because it had to be coming from the gasket. After pulling the head, it almost looks like it

Re: [MBZ] pulling the head on my 140

2009-08-22 Thread Peter Frederick
That was the recommendation I got from the guy who made his living working on MBs -- not cheap, but they tend to not hold very well the second time. Far less hassle than another head RR, too. I had no choice, anyway, one broke off at the rear where the head gasket was blown into the bolt

Re: [MBZ] pulling the head on my 140

2009-08-22 Thread Benz Hogs
I measured the head bolts and all of mine were on the short end of the manual recommended range. 30,000mi+ later and the engine still runs like a top. Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi)

Re: [MBZ] The head is off, not sure what to think yet

2009-08-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Engine was using increasing amounts of water as well, so it was a good call to pull the head off. I had hoped it would just be a simple head gasket job. Im suspect of #1 rod though. I just want to make sure I do this right, what is the best way to measure all this in simpleton terms?

Re: [MBZ] pulling the head on my 140

2009-08-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
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Re: [MBZ] Have to explain everything

2009-08-22 Thread E M
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Re: [MBZ] what do you folks think about this post?

2009-08-22 Thread Wonko the Sane
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Re: [MBZ] '91 300E, 103 engine

2009-08-22 Thread Tony Wirtel
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Re: [MBZ] maybe Jaime can chime in on this?

2009-08-22 Thread Max Dillon
periodically, quite disturbing.) Wifey insists on a CD, one that can play the recorded rehearsal CD's the symphony issues. -- Jim -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090822/c6cfd31c

[MBZ] 1985 300TD Bumper Shocks

2009-08-22 Thread Michael Esh
Can the bumper shock where it attaches to the bumper be re-attached or will i need to buy a new bumper? Thanks, Mike 1984 300D 1982 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] '91 300E, 103 engine

2009-08-22 Thread OK Don
Thanks to all - I'm going to look at it tomorrow afternoon. -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090822/c4a8e1f9/attachment.html

Re: [MBZ] pulling the head on my 140

2009-08-22 Thread OK Don
: new bolts are a little over $70 from Rusty. -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090822/ff3da7b3/attachment.html

Re: [MBZ] what do you folks think about this post?

2009-08-22 Thread OK Don
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Re: [MBZ] still don't get it

2009-08-22 Thread RELNGSON
systems. Rack and pinion steering that doesn't feel like the W210's. You better watch out before you bring on one of your spells. RLE -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090822/04e94c8f

Re: [MBZ] what do you folks think about this post?

2009-08-22 Thread Wonko the Sane
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Re: [MBZ] what do you folks think about this post?

2009-08-22 Thread Wonko the Sane
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Re: [MBZ] what do you folks think about this post?

2009-08-22 Thread OK Don
other car I've even owned? ... I deferred that task for another afternoon! -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090822/3ccadd17/attachment.html

Re: [MBZ] what do you folks think about this post?

2009-08-22 Thread Wonko the Sane
to trust and confide in his chiefs more than his wardroom, but mustang officers had their own ways. -- Tom Clancy, Clear and Present Danger. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090822/ab710e44

Re: [MBZ] what do you folks think about this post?

2009-08-22 Thread Fmiser
Wonko the Sane wrote: I am still brain dead over its instructions on how to drain coolant. Open a plug on the engine block vs. drain from the bottom of the radiator like any other car I've even owned? ... I deferred that task for another afternoon! When you open the radiator drain, it

Re: [MBZ] what do you folks think about this post?

2009-08-22 Thread Jim Cathey
held in place by two tabs -- the rear tab is broken off. Could this perhaps be preventing the system from pressurizing as it should? _Does_ the system pressurize as it should? Stop the car hot, and see if there's pressure to release. If there isn't, you'll have problems with overheating.