Re: [MBZ] ticketable

[RELNGSON]

> ...That's several years old (updated in 7/06). I like the part with the 
> cops trying to find something to charge him with...
> 
Reminds me of a long time ago when a "small" engine problem reared it's 
ugly head and I made a forced landing in I-5 south of Eugene Oregon, the OSP 
trooper spent some time paging through his little book looking for something 
he could ticket me for. Never found one.

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] OT: New VW diesel hybrid concept claims 170MPG

[archer]

"archer"  writes:

After the accident she said she didn't remember approaching the
interesection, so we thought she might have had another "black out"
which may have been the reason for running the red light.


Possible; if she was hit in the head DURING the accident though, and
lost consciousness, she likely would not remember the impact and
possibly several minutes of time prior.
Allan
1983 300D

.
We thought of that; and, of course, we'll never know; but the neurologist 
said she could have blacked out.  The police didn't buy that explanation and 
we had to pay a fine.  The accident was why we bought the first MB since we 
figured we'd better get a safer car for her and the kids.

Gerry
'83 300D and 240D 



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Re: [MBZ] Biobor

[Scott Ritchey]

My 82 300 SD gets little use these days so I keep a bottle of Biobor in the
trunk and add the specified amount at every fillup.  It doesn't take much so
the bottle lasts a while.  The plastic bottle has a gizmo that lets you
squeeze the required amount into a small chamber to pour in the tank so it's
pretty convenient.  I generally get it from West Marine.

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 07:48
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biobor

Years ago I purchased a quart bottle of additive at West Marine to kill
the growth (actually we're talking about mold and fungus, not algae).  I
think I've used maybe five doses in three different cars.  The bottle
may be expired now.  Marshall (USMC) and LT Don (CG) both chastised me
(Navy) for not thinking to look at a marine goods place when I queried
the list for a source...

Very respectfully,
/s/
LCDR Max Dillon
'87 300TD 314k miles
Charleston SC



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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 12:14 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biobor



If you read the page, it says Biobor is available in 5 gallon or 55
gallon  drums.

A pint of the stanadyne stuff was enough to keep several diesels happy
for several years.  How may gallons will a 5 gallon can treat, and how
many years does it take you to use that many gallons of 
fuel?   I use between 1000 and 2500 gallons a year.  That is roughly 
20k to 50 k a year, depending on the VHickle.  But you don't need to
treat every tank.  Just once in a while in the summer or if you get a
load of bad fuel.  So a pint is good for several years.  5 gallons would
probably last me 100 years.



At 09:59 PM 9/17/2009, you wrote:
> > ...http://www.conntect.com/fueladditives/biobor/..
> >
>There you are. Debunks that nonsense about being prohibited by the
gummint.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?

[dave walton]

Both the cruise and AC are still working fine on that car. Thanks much!

It's my other 300SDL that has problems. It just turned 380,000 miles
with the original transmission. Probably about time for a rebuild
anyway. Before I tear into that, I have to replace the rear wheel
bearings on the Subaru - that's what I use as a floater when one of
the others is out of service.

-Dave Walton

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Peter T. Arnold  wrote:
> That was one of the biggest joys of my 300SDL
>
> Pete
>
>
>
> WILTON wrote:
>>
>> Both of mine stay ON and in AUTO all the time; 'hardly ever touch the temp
>> wheel; 'let the system maintain the temp and operate whatever part of the
>> system it needs.  'Course, I live in an area of climate/weather where this
>> may be more appropriate than many.
>>
>> Wilton
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Dillon, Meade M CIV
>> SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310" 
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 2:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?
>>
>>
>>> I know that the 124 owner's bible says something about using the AC one
>>> or twice during the cool months in order to exercise it,  but year-round
>>> use seems like overkill.
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
>>> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don
>>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 2:19 PM
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?
>>>
>>> The MB owners manuals that I've read tell you run the AC year round to
>>> keep the compressor in good condition --- so I asume that letting it sit
>>> would do the opposite.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:15 AM, andrew strasfogel
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I assume you are just talking about the compressor, not other
 components of the AC system...

 On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Peter Frederick >>> >wrote:

 > Yup.  Mineral oil, sitting in air, things can rust.  You end up with
>>>
 > leaking reed valves, therefore low high side pressure.
 >
 > Peter
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > >From: andrew strasfogel 
 > >Sent: Sep 15, 2009 4:17 PM
 > >To: Mercedes Discussion List 
 > >Subject: [MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?
 > >
 > >When restoring my 1970 280SE coupe back in 1992, I had the old
 > >Frigiking
 > AC
 > >blower unit removed and installed (but never wired in) a period
 > >Behr AC purely for looks.  The AC system has been nonfuncitonal and
>>>
 > >devoid of
 > freon
 > >for the past 17 years.  A month ago I decided to wire in the Behr
 > >blower unit, and had my mechanic charge the system, convert to
 > >R134, and test
 it.
 > >He says the compressor is "weak"; I only get tepid air at all
>>>
>>> settings.

 > >
 > >My question is whether merely sitting without running all these
 > >years
 > would
 > >ruin the compressor.  Everything else works (I of course replaced
 > >the
 > drier
 > >bottle).
 > >
 > >Andrew
 > >1970 280SE 3.5
 > >+ 3 W123 turbodiesels
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Re: [MBZ] W123 tank screen

[Mountain Man]

Loren wrote:
> If someone will send me a sample with live algae...

What is live?
I have the old gunked screen still.
It has been sitting outside in warm weather and sun - is that alive?
Although, I bet USPS will not allow me to ship, as it is fuel, and may
explode upon extreme compression.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: jet powered beetle

[OK Don]

That's several years old (updated in 7/06). I like the part with the cops
trying to find something to charge him with.

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:

> Not sure this has been seen here... saw it on another list.
>
> Some guy put a GE T58-8F helicopter engine in a VW beetle.
>
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[MBZ] OT: jet powered beetle

[Allan Streib]

Not sure this has been seen here... saw it on another list.

Some guy put a GE T58-8F helicopter engine in a VW beetle.

Don't miss the scooter further down on the page

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Re: [MBZ] OT: New VW diesel hybrid concept claims 170MPG

[Peter T. Arnold]

I've got the extra side air bags in my HHR, hope I never test them.

Pete


archer wrote:


Would airbags in a light weight bouncing car prevent "Hangmans" broken 
necks, do you think?

Gerry




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Re: [MBZ] OT: New VW diesel hybrid concept claims 170MPG

[Allan Streib]

"archer"  writes:

> After the accident she said she didn't remember approaching the
> interesection, so we thought she might have had another "black out"
> which may have been the reason for running the red light.

Possible; if she was hit in the head DURING the accident though, and
lost consciousness, she likely would not remember the impact and
possibly several minutes of time prior.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?

[OK Don]

Just leave the ACC in normal mode, then don't worry about it --- don't know
if this applies to the 280 SE in question though  

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,
53310  wrote:

> I know that the 124 owner's bible says something about using the AC one
> or twice during the cool months in order to exercise it,  but year-round
> use seems like overkill.
>
> Max
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: New VW diesel hybrid concept claims 170MPG

[archer]

From: "Peter T. Arnold" 

Wife once ran a red light in a Beetle and got broadsided by a big
Dodge sedan.  The Beetle went airborne and landed across the
intersection.  Wife had only broken ribs and ankle even though she was
hit on the drivers side.
Gerry
'83 300D and 240D



A very lucky lady, I've SEEN this type of accident cause a "Hangmans"
broken neck.  Patient quickly assume room temperature.
12 years on Volunteer Ambulance convinced me, No MotorCyles & Wear Seat 
Belts & Don't Smoke.

Pete Arnold


She did have to have neck surgery but not directly because of the accident.
A month or two before the accident we were driving to the beach.  She said, 
"My mind  went blank."  "Where are we?"  I told her she should see a 
neurologists, but being a nurse, she wouldn't do it.
After the accident she said she didn't remember approaching the 
interesection, so we thought she might have had another "black out" which 
may have been the reason for running the red light.
We told the orthopedist and he ordered xrays and later a contrast media 
spine xray.  A bad disk had almost completely shut off the flow of 
cerebrospinal fluid to the spine which caused  pressure on the brain.

Laminectomies were done on two discs and she had no more blackouts.

She had had a neck injury during nurses training which may have been the 
cause of the bad disks.


Would airbags in a light weight bouncing car prevent "Hangmans" broken 
necks, do you think?
Gerry 



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Re: [MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?

[tyler]

Oh, yes Mercedes ACC is wonderful. For ever 3 hours I spend working on 
the ACC system in my 110 degree garage I can drive an hour in comfort 
without having to adjust anything! Truly luxurious.


I have to replace a component in the ACC on my 190DT about as often as I 
have to adjust the manual hot/cold slider on my Volvo 740 Turbo. I think 
the MBZ ACC system is more complex than the entire Volvo.


Tyler

Peter T. Arnold wrote:

That was one of the biggest joys of my 300SDL

Pete



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Re: [MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?

[Peter T. Arnold]

That was one of the biggest joys of my 300SDL

Pete



WILTON wrote:
Both of mine stay ON and in AUTO all the time; 'hardly ever touch the 
temp wheel; 'let the system maintain the temp and operate whatever 
part of the system it needs.  'Course, I live in an area of 
climate/weather where this may be more appropriate than many.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Dillon, Meade M CIV 
SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?



I know that the 124 owner's bible says something about using the AC one
or twice during the cool months in order to exercise it,  but year-round
use seems like overkill.

Max

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 2:19 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?

The MB owners manuals that I've read tell you run the AC year round to
keep the compressor in good condition --- so I asume that letting it sit
would do the opposite.

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:15 AM, andrew strasfogel
wrote:


I assume you are just talking about the compressor, not other
components of the AC system...

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:

> Yup.  Mineral oil, sitting in air, things can rust.  You end up with



> leaking reed valves, therefore low high side pressure.
>
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
> >From: andrew strasfogel 
> >Sent: Sep 15, 2009 4:17 PM
> >To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >Subject: [MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?
> >
> >When restoring my 1970 280SE coupe back in 1992, I had the old
> >Frigiking
> AC
> >blower unit removed and installed (but never wired in) a period
> >Behr AC purely for looks.  The AC system has been nonfuncitonal and



> >devoid of
> freon
> >for the past 17 years.  A month ago I decided to wire in the Behr
> >blower unit, and had my mechanic charge the system, convert to
> >R134, and test
it.
> >He says the compressor is "weak"; I only get tepid air at all

settings.

> >
> >My question is whether merely sitting without running all these
> >years
> would
> >ruin the compressor.  Everything else works (I of course replaced
> >the
> drier
> >bottle).
> >
> >Andrew
> >1970 280SE 3.5
> >+ 3 W123 turbodiesels
> >-- next part --

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Re: [MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yep

ernest breakfield wrote:
just using the defroster would take care of that, since the AC is 
engaged with the defroster.




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Re: [MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?

[ernest breakfield]

just using the defroster would take care of that, since the AC is 
engaged with the defroster.



cheers!
e


Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
I believe the manuals used to say to run it at least once per month in 
the winter.


Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:

I know that the 124 owner's bible says something about using the AC one
or twice during the cool months in order to exercise it,  but year-round
use seems like overkill.

Max
-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 2:19 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?

The MB owners manuals that I've read tell you run the AC year round to
keep the compressor in good condition --- so I asume that letting it sit
would do the opposite.

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:15 AM, andrew strasfogel
wrote:

 
I assume you are just talking about the compressor, not other 
components of the AC system...


On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Peter Frederick

wrote:
  Yup.  Mineral oil, sitting in air, things can rust.  You end 
up with
  


 

leaking reed valves, therefore low high side pressure.

Peter

-Original Message-
 

From: andrew strasfogel 
Sent: Sep 15, 2009 4:17 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?

When restoring my 1970 280SE coupe back in 1992, I had the old 
Frigiking


AC
 
blower unit removed and installed (but never wired in) a period 
Behr AC purely for looks.  The AC system has been nonfuncitonal and



 

devoid of


freon
 
for the past 17 years.  A month ago I decided to wire in the Behr 
blower unit, and had my mechanic charge the system, convert to 
R134, and test


it.
   

He says the compressor is "weak"; I only get tepid air at all


settings.
 

My question is whether merely sitting without running all these years


would
 

ruin the compressor.  Everything else works (I of course replaced the


drier
 

bottle).

Andrew
1970 280SE 3.5
+ 3 W123 turbodiesels
-- next part --


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Re: [MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I believe the manuals used to say to run it at least once per month in 
the winter.


Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:

I know that the 124 owner's bible says something about using the AC one
or twice during the cool months in order to exercise it,  but year-round
use seems like overkill.

Max 


-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 2:19 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?

The MB owners manuals that I've read tell you run the AC year round to
keep the compressor in good condition --- so I asume that letting it sit
would do the opposite.

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:15 AM, andrew strasfogel
wrote:

  
I assume you are just talking about the compressor, not other 
components of the AC system...


On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Peter Frederick 

wrote:
  
Yup.  Mineral oil, sitting in air, things can rust.  You end up with
  


  

leaking reed valves, therefore low high side pressure.

Peter

-Original Message-
  

From: andrew strasfogel 
Sent: Sep 15, 2009 4:17 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?

When restoring my 1970 280SE coupe back in 1992, I had the old 
Frigiking


AC
  
blower unit removed and installed (but never wired in) a period 
Behr AC purely for looks.  The AC system has been nonfuncitonal and



  

devoid of


freon
  
for the past 17 years.  A month ago I decided to wire in the Behr 
blower unit, and had my mechanic charge the system, convert to 
R134, and test


it.


He says the compressor is "weak"; I only get tepid air at all


settings.
  
My question is whether merely sitting without running all these 
years


would
  
ruin the compressor.  Everything else works (I of course replaced 
the


drier
  

bottle).

Andrew
1970 280SE 3.5
+ 3 W123 turbodiesels
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others.

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Re: [MBZ] 380SL timing chain project

[Craig McCluskey]

On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:39:23 -0500 Loren Faeth 
wrote:

> Replaced both rails on the left side, using the trimmed one on top. 
> removed right sprocket.  replaced left sprocket, but had to turn crank
> backwards 10 degrees to get the key to line up.
> 
> That is where i quit until the rail arrives.

Thanks for the update, Loren.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Dash wood

[R A Bennell]

1. If you use Gorilla Glue, be careful. In my experience, it oozes out all over 
and I have to keep wiping it up. I
think perhaps I used too much.

2. Contact cement should loosen with heat.

Randy

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 9:30 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Dash wood


If you use Gorilla Glue, it will NOT come off again.

If you think you might ever want to remove the trim in the future, the 3M is 
probably a better choice.  I think it
stays sticky, holds well but can be removed with some effort.

Allan

On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:09 -0700, "Dimitri Seretakis"  
wrote:
> Ok so I'm hearing shoe goo, gorilla glue and 3M trim adhesive.  Are we
> going to have a vote or what?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 17, 2009, at 7:04 PM, Rich Thomas
>  wrote:
>
> Gorilla Glue works well too, binds wood and metal, but it oozes a bit as
> it sets up, and it needs a bit of moisture to cure.
>
> --R
>
> Douglas wrote:
> Use tape as the clamp.
>
> - Original Message - From: "Jim Cathey" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 7:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Dash wood
>
>
> What have you all being doing to re-attach the wood to your dashes.
>
> Shoe Goo.
>
> how do I remove the sliding vent knob in order to remove the wood
>
> Pull it off.
>
> Clamping is the tricky bit.
>
> -- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Heater Core

[Rolf Martin-Hoster]

As stated its probably one of the biggest PITA R&R out there. I'd rather 
do an engine swap I think. One thing I can tell you a cordless drill 
with 1/4" socket adapter and 8/10/13mm sockets will do wonders time 
wise.I have to do this on my wifes car and I am not looking forward to 
it. Heater core costs $300! I think I'll pull the one out my wifes first 
and look at it.


-Rolf

John Ingram wrote:
When I turn on the heat in my 83 240D I can smell antifreeze. It 
doesn't fog up the windows but I know it isn't healthy and will only 
get worse. I can't find a leak. One of my suppliers says he has sold a 
lot of heater cores. I would guess that I need to replace it. Has 
anyone done this job? I hear it is tough to get at the heater core. 
Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?

[WILTON]

Both of mine stay ON and in AUTO all the time; 'hardly ever touch the temp 
wheel; 'let the system maintain the temp and operate whatever part of the 
system it needs.  'Course, I live in an area of climate/weather where this 
may be more appropriate than many.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?



I know that the 124 owner's bible says something about using the AC one
or twice during the cool months in order to exercise it,  but year-round
use seems like overkill.

Max

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 2:19 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?

The MB owners manuals that I've read tell you run the AC year round to
keep the compressor in good condition --- so I asume that letting it sit
would do the opposite.

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:15 AM, andrew strasfogel
wrote:


I assume you are just talking about the compressor, not other
components of the AC system...

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:

> Yup.  Mineral oil, sitting in air, things can rust.  You end up with



> leaking reed valves, therefore low high side pressure.
>
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
> >From: andrew strasfogel 
> >Sent: Sep 15, 2009 4:17 PM
> >To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >Subject: [MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?
> >
> >When restoring my 1970 280SE coupe back in 1992, I had the old
> >Frigiking
> AC
> >blower unit removed and installed (but never wired in) a period
> >Behr AC purely for looks.  The AC system has been nonfuncitonal and



> >devoid of
> freon
> >for the past 17 years.  A month ago I decided to wire in the Behr
> >blower unit, and had my mechanic charge the system, convert to
> >R134, and test
it.
> >He says the compressor is "weak"; I only get tepid air at all

settings.

> >
> >My question is whether merely sitting without running all these
> >years
> would
> >ruin the compressor.  Everything else works (I of course replaced
> >the
> drier
> >bottle).
> >
> >Andrew
> >1970 280SE 3.5
> >+ 3 W123 turbodiesels
> >-- next part --

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Re: [MBZ] Biobor quantities

[RELNGSON]

> ...If you read the page, it says Biobor is available in 5 gallon or 55 
> gallon drums...
> 
Of course I read the page and saw that. This was also true when I needed 
some and so I picked up a pint at the wholesaler which is more than a lifetime 
supply for one car. I finally gave the remainder away.

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Re: [MBZ] Snook??

[Mitch Haley]

R A Bennell wrote:

So, what is going on? No new cars have been announced for a week or more?


He's busy trying to keep all the bimmers' working fluids inside it.

Mitch.

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[MBZ] Snook??

[R A Bennell]

So, what is going on? No new cars have been announced for a week or more?

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

I know that the 124 owner's bible says something about using the AC one
or twice during the cool months in order to exercise it,  but year-round
use seems like overkill.

Max 

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 2:19 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?

The MB owners manuals that I've read tell you run the AC year round to
keep the compressor in good condition --- so I asume that letting it sit
would do the opposite.

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:15 AM, andrew strasfogel
wrote:

> I assume you are just talking about the compressor, not other 
> components of the AC system...
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Peter Frederick  >wrote:
>
> > Yup.  Mineral oil, sitting in air, things can rust.  You end up with

> > leaking reed valves, therefore low high side pressure.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > >From: andrew strasfogel 
> > >Sent: Sep 15, 2009 4:17 PM
> > >To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > >Subject: [MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?
> > >
> > >When restoring my 1970 280SE coupe back in 1992, I had the old 
> > >Frigiking
> > AC
> > >blower unit removed and installed (but never wired in) a period 
> > >Behr AC purely for looks.  The AC system has been nonfuncitonal and

> > >devoid of
> > freon
> > >for the past 17 years.  A month ago I decided to wire in the Behr 
> > >blower unit, and had my mechanic charge the system, convert to 
> > >R134, and test
> it.
> > >He says the compressor is "weak"; I only get tepid air at all
settings.
> > >
> > >My question is whether merely sitting without running all these 
> > >years
> > would
> > >ruin the compressor.  Everything else works (I of course replaced 
> > >the
> > drier
> > >bottle).
> > >
> > >Andrew
> > >1970 280SE 3.5
> > >+ 3 W123 turbodiesels
> > >-- next part --
>
> --
> OK Don
> CONSERVATIVE, n.  A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as 
> distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with 
> others.
> The Devil's Dictionary
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>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: New VW diesel hybrid concept claims 170MPG

[Peter T. Arnold]

Wife once ran a red light in a Beetle and got broadsided by a big 
Dodge sedan.  The Beetle went airborne and landed across the 
intersection.  Wife had only broken ribs and ankle even though she was 
hit on the drivers side.

Gerry
'83 300D and 240D



A very lucky lady, I've SEEN this type of accident cause a "Hangmans" 
broken neck.  Patient quickly assume room temperature.


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Re: [MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?

[OK Don]

The MB owners manuals that I've read tell you run the AC year round to keep
the compressor in good condition --- so I asume that letting it sit would do
the opposite.

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:15 AM, andrew strasfogel
wrote:

> I assume you are just talking about the compressor, not other components of
> the AC system...
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Peter Frederick  >wrote:
>
> > Yup.  Mineral oil, sitting in air, things can rust.  You end up with
> > leaking reed valves, therefore low high side pressure.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > >From: andrew strasfogel 
> > >Sent: Sep 15, 2009 4:17 PM
> > >To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > >Subject: [MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?
> > >
> > >When restoring my 1970 280SE coupe back in 1992, I had the old Frigiking
> > AC
> > >blower unit removed and installed (but never wired in) a period Behr AC
> > >purely for looks.  The AC system has been nonfuncitonal and devoid of
> > freon
> > >for the past 17 years.  A month ago I decided to wire in the Behr blower
> > >unit, and had my mechanic charge the system, convert to R134, and test
> it.
> > >He says the compressor is "weak"; I only get tepid air at all settings.
> > >
> > >My question is whether merely sitting without running all these years
> > would
> > >ruin the compressor.  Everything else works (I of course replaced the
> > drier
> > >bottle).
> > >
> > >Andrew
> > >1970 280SE 3.5
> > >+ 3 W123 turbodiesels
> > >-- next part --
>
> --
> OK Don
> CONSERVATIVE, n.  A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as
> distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with
> others.
> The Devil's Dictionary
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Re: [MBZ] OT: New VW diesel hybrid concept claims 170MPG

[Mitch Haley]

archer wrote:

Wife once ran a red light in a Beetle and got broadsided by a big Dodge 
sedan.  The Beetle went airborne and landed across the intersection.  
Wife had only broken ribs and ankle even though she was hit on the 
drivers side.


I've probably said this here before.
My sister failed to yield to a large Buick back in 1974 while driving her 
husband's Gremlin. Speed limit was 65mph there IIRC. Got smacked right in the 
driver's door. Car was nearly turned inside out. Floor on the ground and roof 6' 
high. She was tossed around inside it like a rag doll. She broke the pelvic 
girdle and I believe some ribs. No broken arms/legs I'm pretty sure. She claims 
she survived that particular crash because she wasn't belted into the driver's 
side of the car when it was obliterated. Her little dog (puppy) was between the 
door and driver's seat IIRC. Not much left of the dog from what I heard.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: New VW diesel hybrid concept claims 170MPG

[archer]

This VW weighs 840 lbs.

A big car hit an Isetta from behind and it went airborne.  Landed about a 
quarter block away.  Driver and passenger were not badly hurt.  I wonder if 
being "bounced" in a light car instead of absorbing the crash might be an 
advantage?


Wife once ran a red light in a Beetle and got broadsided by a big Dodge 
sedan.  The Beetle went airborne and landed across the intersection.  Wife 
had only broken ribs and ankle even though she was hit on the drivers side.

Gerry
'83 300D and 240D
..
From: "Rich Thomas" 
Reminds me of those Isetta things where the whole front opened for you

to crawl in.
--R

Allan Streib wrote:

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/09/vw-l1-1-liter-car-concept-170-mpg-diesel-hybrid.php
Sort of a "mono" gullwing design
Allan
1983 300D
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Re: [MBZ] BAD 300D 2.5T

[LarryT]

Don,
Does it shift smoothly before and then start shifting rough when it started 
running poorly?


If so, look for a vacuum leak - especially the little hose at the 12 o'clock 
position above the vacuum pump.


Good luck -
LarryT
91 300D

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] BAD 300D 2.5T


That's a bit different - mine went suddenly from running fine to barely
getting over 2100 RPM, with lots of noise, missing, and smoke 

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Frederick W Moir 
wrote:



OK Don.
At pickup, mine was running on 4 cyl. (loose delivery valve) and had only
half the brakes. When I installed the 'O' rings etc. from Rusty, it ran
smoothly without a lot of power, until the intake was reamed out. After
that:- O-boy!
Fred Moir
Lynn MA

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Re: [MBZ] BAD 300D 2.5T

[LarryT]

Hi Don,
   Checking all the things you suggest is probably the way to go - but 
shortly after buying our '91 300D 2.5 (w/99k miles on it in 2006), it would 
act similarly - but only immediately after a cold starts (<60F) and not 
warmed up, so perhaps it's not the same.   Mine turned out to be carbon 
buildup - I used some stuff called Ferox that was supposed to loosen the 
carbon - that along with my wife driving daily 100 mi round trips at 70 mph 
cured the problem.  Now it runs flawlessly like a new car!


   How many mi are on it?  was it driven often?  at speed?  for long 
distances?  as you know, diesels thrive on long distance / high speed.


LarryT
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Subject: [MBZ] BAD 300D 2.5T

On the way home today, about 3 miles from home, the '92 300D 2.5T lost 
power

and would only hold 60 mph in third gear, pedal to the floor, spewing grey
smoke. Came to a stop light, it idled smoothly and normally. Accelerating
when it turned green, the car had little power, started knocking, and
running rough at 1600rpm. I could get it up to about 2100-2200rpmmax. Let
off the fuel and let it shift to the next higher gear, and it would slowly
accelerate up again, same as before.

When I got home, I opened the hood, expecting to find the pressure line to
the ALDA, etc. off - but it all looks to be in place. With no load, 
rev'ing

the engine results in the shacking, missing, knocking, and lots of smoke
(grey) out the back. The smoke smells like raw Diesel.

Any ideas where to start trouble shooting?

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Dash wood

[Allan Streib]

If you use Gorilla Glue, it will NOT come off again.

If you think you might ever want to remove the trim in the future, the 3M is 
probably a better choice.  I think it stays sticky, holds well but can be 
removed with some effort.

Allan

On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:09 -0700, "Dimitri Seretakis"  
wrote:
> Ok so I'm hearing shoe goo, gorilla glue and 3M trim adhesive.  Are we
> going to have a vote or what?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 17, 2009, at 7:04 PM, Rich Thomas
>  wrote:
> 
> Gorilla Glue works well too, binds wood and metal, but it oozes a bit as
> it sets up, and it needs a bit of moisture to cure.
> 
> --R
> 
> Douglas wrote:
> Use tape as the clamp.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Jim Cathey" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 7:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Dash wood
> 
> 
> What have you all being doing to re-attach the wood to your dashes.
> 
> Shoe Goo.
> 
> how do I remove the sliding vent knob in order to remove the wood
> 
> Pull it off.
> 
> Clamping is the tricky bit.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Dash wood

[andrew strasfogel]

What's wrong with yellow contact cement?  Brush both sides, allow to tack
dry for 10 minutes, then attach.

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Douglas  wrote:

> The last time that I glued the wood in my car I used Kitchen and bath clear
> silicone caulk.
>
> Douglas
>
>
>
> Been holding for 2 years in Louisiana heat.
>> Go Figure.
>>
>> Jim Cathey wrote:
>>
>>> I used Hot Glue...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not good.  First summery day it'll all drop off again!
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?

[andrew strasfogel]

I assume you are just talking about the compressor, not other components of
the AC system...

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:

> Yup.  Mineral oil, sitting in air, things can rust.  You end up with
> leaking reed valves, therefore low high side pressure.
>
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
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> >Subject: [MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?
> >
> >When restoring my 1970 280SE coupe back in 1992, I had the old Frigiking
> AC
> >blower unit removed and installed (but never wired in) a period Behr AC
> >purely for looks.  The AC system has been nonfuncitonal and devoid of
> freon
> >for the past 17 years.  A month ago I decided to wire in the Behr blower
> >unit, and had my mechanic charge the system, convert to R134, and test it.
> >He says the compressor is "weak"; I only get tepid air at all settings.
> >
> >My question is whether merely sitting without running all these years
> would
> >ruin the compressor.  Everything else works (I of course replaced the
> drier
> >bottle).
> >
> >Andrew
> >1970 280SE 3.5
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Re: [MBZ] wsh/wp

[andrew strasfogel]

I wonder what the physiological source of that trigger reaction is.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> His spot!  Our 2 boys have spots but the girl doesn't.  If you give them
> belly rubs and scratch the spot their legs start going.  One of the boys has
> 2 spots, equal reactions.
>
> --R
>
> andrew strasfogel wrote:
>
>> Reminds me of my late lamented dog.  He used to twitch his leg
>> uncontrollably when chewing at a flea on his belly.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 3:55 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> ...The fuse blows when the headlights are turned on, but not otherwise...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The headlight wash/wipe function requires the parking lights to be on,
>>> not
>>> the headlights.
>>>
>>> BTW, current MB design activates the headlight washer (no more wipers)
>>> every tenth use of the windshield washer. That way, the washer reservoir
>>> is
>>> not
>>> emptied so quickly.
>>>
>>> RLE
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] 1995 300TD engine question

[Mitch Haley]

Meade has some good ideas. If the oil pan is coming off, how about front and 
rear main seals?
Take a close look at the oil cooler hoses. After 24-28 years, it's about time 
unless one of the cars has a replacement set on it.


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Re: [MBZ] 1995 300TD engine question

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

If you find 4 deg or more of chain stretch, 'tis much easier to replace
the chain and all the rails now, and you can install an endless chain
vice one that needs a master link installed.

If you live in a cold climate, might be easier to install a new block
heater now.

Re-sealing the injection pump and the transmission also much easier now.


Very respectfully,
/s/
LCDR Max Dillon
'87 300TD 314k miles
Charleston SC



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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Michael Esh
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 10:26 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] 1995 300TD engine question

I am in the process of putting the engine and transmission from my rusty
82 into my solid 85 wagon.  While I have the engine out, what are some
of the key components that I should renew/replace.  I will be ordering
motor mounts, transmission mount, oil canister gasket, oil pan gasket,
valve cover gasket, transmission filter and gasket.  I will adjust
valves and check timing and chain stretch.  What else should I do that
would be much easier with engine and transmission on the stand.
Thanks in advance,
Mike
Engine and transmission have 220,000 miles on them.

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Re: [MBZ] 380SL timing chain project

[Loren Faeth]

I got pretty far with the project yesterday.  I had hoped to finish 
it, but that was not in the cards.  Have to remove the alt bracket on 
the right to expose the right head front face to remove rail 
pins.  On the left, the PS pump and the PS Pump mount have to come 
off.  I took some pictures of the mixed mode methods I used to pull 
the pins.  Got the engine to TDC#1.  Marked the first plug wire for 
each bank.  Removed the cap.  TDC#1 position leaves the rotor at the 
12:30-1 position.  Removed the bolt for the DIst.  Pulled the dist, 
observing the rotor position as the gear disengages.  It is Just 
about 12:00 position.  Pulled the pins.  Top rail, left bank was 
broken, and the piece was visible.


Nother trip to HF, this time for 1/2" metric sockets and a spring 
loaded clamp to remove the piece down in the head/block


Got the piece out.  Trimmed the tail of the Left top new rail, to aid 
in prevention of future failure by breaking off the tail.


Removed the tensioner.  Determined the tensioner side has a banana 
rail.  I was shipped a short rail!  OOPS! GAME OVER!


Called the Q man.  He sent the right piece next day, So I hope to 
have it today.


I tried to find the bottom pin for the banana rail.  It is behind a 
cap.  The cap uses a 6mm allen wrench.  Got the cap off.  the pin is 
hollow, and there is nothing to pull it with. Mr. Q didn't know the 
way the banana rail was held in.  So I called another resource. Mr. 
Vernon at Mercedes Specialists of Seminary, MS was kind enough to 
tell me the trick.  He said take a ezout and tap it into the pin, 
then pull on the ezout.  I am waiting for the new rail before I pull that pin.


Nother trip to HF for a mirror and ezouts.

Wired the chain to the cam sprockets in 2 places for each 
sprocket.  marked the chain and sprocket for alignment.  Checked to 
see the cam mark and the cam tower marks lined up on each side, they 
did, less the degrees of chain stretch.  Removed the left sprocket to 
allow removal of the lower rail.  Replaced both rails on the left 
side, using the trimmed one on top.  removed right 
sprocket.  replaced left sprocket, but had to turn crank backwards 10 
degrees to get the key to line up.


That is where i quit until the rail arrives.




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[MBZ] 1995 300TD engine question

[Michael Esh]

I am in the process of putting the engine and transmission from my  
rusty 82 into my solid 85 wagon.  While I have the engine out, what  
are some of the key components that I should renew/replace.  I will be  
ordering motor mounts, transmission mount, oil canister gasket, oil  
pan gasket, valve cover gasket, transmission filter and gasket.  I  
will adjust valves and check timing and chain stretch.  What else  
should I do that would be much easier with engine and transmission on  
the stand.

Thanks in advance,
Mike
Engine and transmission have 220,000 miles on them.

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Re: [MBZ] BAD 300D 2.5T

[OK Don]

Sounds llike a plan, though since it hasn't been fueled in over a week, and
is at just below half a tank, I'm guessing EGR.

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 6:56 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,
53310  wrote:

> Somebody already mentioned this but I'll second; a failed EGR (in the
> open position) can cause the type of smoke and power loss that you
> describe.  My first MB diesel came home that way, smoked like crazy and
> could barely reach 60 mph on the flat, smoke smelled like raw fuel.
> However, it was smooth with no knocking at all the RPM that it could
> reach.  I blocked off the EGR in an attempt to gain a little power and
> suddenly I had a new car, which could reach an indicated top speed of
> 107 mph.
>
> I'd start with the fuel filters, air leaks into fuel system, verify no
> gasoline (or water) in the tank, then move to the more complex like EGR.
>
> Max
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:16 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: [MBZ] BAD 300D 2.5T
>
> On the way home today, about 3 miles from home, the '92 300D 2.5T lost
> power and would only hold 60 mph in third gear, pedal to the floor,
> spewing grey smoke. Came to a stop light, it idled smoothly and
> normally. Accelerating when it turned green, the car had little power,
> started knocking, and running rough at 1600rpm. I could get it up to
> about 2100-2200rpmmax. Let off the fuel and let it shift to the next
> higher gear, and it would slowly accelerate up again, same as before.
>
> When I got home, I opened the hood, expecting to find the pressure line
> to the ALDA, etc. off - but it all looks to be in place. With no load,
> rev'ing the engine results in the shacking, missing, knocking, and lots
> of smoke
> (grey) out the back. The smoke smells like raw Diesel.
>
> Any ideas where to start trouble shooting?
>
> --
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> CONSERVATIVE, n.  A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as
> distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others.
> The Devil's Dictionary
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Dash wood

[Douglas]

The last time that I glued the wood in my car I used Kitchen and bath clear 
silicone caulk.


Douglas



Been holding for 2 years in Louisiana heat.
Go Figure.

Jim Cathey wrote:

I used Hot Glue...


Not good.  First summery day it'll all drop off again!

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] CL temptation of the day: $2500 '96 E300 Diesel

[Mitch Haley]

Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:


Stall at idle = an IP issue?  Heard of a fellow that solved oil leak
from bottom IP cover plate by installing a rubber sheet vice a new
gasket; rubber sheet made just enough contact with the rack to cause all
sorts of idle weirdness.


PO (you reading this, Bob?) had the dealer install a used IP. The word from the 
shop was that it idled fine and made no power, so they pronounced the new IP 
bad. They put the old IP back on, and now it won't idle, likes to smoke, and 
makes no power. I wonder it the mechanic botched something up and there was 
nothing wrong with the replacement IP, it had plenty of power and no excessive 
smoke before it went to the dealership.


When I went out to the lake a couple of weeks ago to drive it home to work on, I 
couldn't generate enough torque to make it move after sitting in one place for a 
couple of months. With the inch deep indentations under the tires, I probably 
needed 10-20hp to get rolling and the engine couldn't do it. That is not normal.


I did make one new discovery a couple of weeks ago, the throttle linkage is 
sticking. I'd floor it to try to make it move, then when I'd shift to park it 
wanted to idle at 5,000rpm. Now I'm wondering (hoping) that the irregular idle 
has something to do with the EGR or the sticky throttle linkage. OTOH, if 
swapping IPs fixed the idle, there's probably something wrong with the original 
IP, which is currently on the car. If I hadn't recently run out of spare cash, 
I'd send the IP to Finland and order an intercooler. There's plenty of room 
behind the grill, because somebody put a wrong generation hood on it somewhere 
along the line and it puts the grill too far forward.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] CL temptation of the day: $2500 '96 E300 Diesel

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

Mitch,

I'm in Charleston SC, about 5 hours from JAX; I think the LP would be
about a 15 to 20 hour drive?

Also, I avoid northern cars due to the rust issue, but thanks for
letting me know.

Stall at idle = an IP issue?  Heard of a fellow that solved oil leak
from bottom IP cover plate by installing a rubber sheet vice a new
gasket; rubber sheet made just enough contact with the rack to cause all
sorts of idle weirdness.

Max 

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 8:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL temptation of the day: $2500 '96 E300 Diesel

Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:

> Now, I've located a 300D 2.5 in JAX that is not running but NOT a 
> flood car for about the same price, THAT might be a more reasonable
project.

Aren't you up on Virginia or the Carolinas? Jax might be almost as far
from you as southern Michigan.
I'll give you a 2.5 for $1000 (what I paid for it) that you can drive
home on the freeway but is a major PITA to drive in traffic because it
likes to stall at idle. I was diverted off the freeway for construction
on the way home, had to go the entire length of Battle Creek's shopping
strip with 10x the normal traffic load on it (because the freeway
traffic was on the street), and by the time I got it home I was so
pissed at it I didn't want to mess with it.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] CL temptation of the day: $2500 '96 E300 Diesel

[Mitch Haley]

Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:


Now, I've located a 300D 2.5 in JAX that is not running but NOT a flood
car for about the same price, THAT might be a more reasonable project.


Aren't you up on Virginia or the Carolinas? Jax might be almost as far from you 
as southern Michigan.
I'll give you a 2.5 for $1000 (what I paid for it) that you can drive home on 
the freeway but is a major PITA to drive in traffic because it likes to stall at 
idle. I was diverted off the freeway for construction on the way home, had to go 
the entire length of Battle Creek's shopping strip with 10x the normal traffic 
load on it (because the freeway traffic was on the street), and by the time I 
got it home I was so pissed at it I didn't want to mess with it.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] BAD 300D 2.5T

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

Somebody already mentioned this but I'll second; a failed EGR (in the
open position) can cause the type of smoke and power loss that you
describe.  My first MB diesel came home that way, smoked like crazy and
could barely reach 60 mph on the flat, smoke smelled like raw fuel.
However, it was smooth with no knocking at all the RPM that it could
reach.  I blocked off the EGR in an attempt to gain a little power and
suddenly I had a new car, which could reach an indicated top speed of
107 mph. 

I'd start with the fuel filters, air leaks into fuel system, verify no
gasoline (or water) in the tank, then move to the more complex like EGR.

Max

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:16 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] BAD 300D 2.5T

On the way home today, about 3 miles from home, the '92 300D 2.5T lost
power and would only hold 60 mph in third gear, pedal to the floor,
spewing grey smoke. Came to a stop light, it idled smoothly and
normally. Accelerating when it turned green, the car had little power,
started knocking, and running rough at 1600rpm. I could get it up to
about 2100-2200rpmmax. Let off the fuel and let it shift to the next
higher gear, and it would slowly accelerate up again, same as before.

When I got home, I opened the hood, expecting to find the pressure line
to the ALDA, etc. off - but it all looks to be in place. With no load,
rev'ing the engine results in the shacking, missing, knocking, and lots
of smoke
(grey) out the back. The smoke smells like raw Diesel.

Any ideas where to start trouble shooting?

--
OK Don
CONSERVATIVE, n.  A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as
distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others.
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Re: [MBZ] Biobor

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

Years ago I purchased a quart bottle of additive at West Marine to kill
the growth (actually we're talking about mold and fungus, not algae).  I
think I've used maybe five doses in three different cars.  The bottle
may be expired now.  Marshall (USMC) and LT Don (CG) both chastised me
(Navy) for not thinking to look at a marine goods place when I queried
the list for a source...

Very respectfully,
/s/
LCDR Max Dillon
'87 300TD 314k miles
Charleston SC



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Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 12:14 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biobor



If you read the page, it says Biobor is available in 5 gallon or 55
gallon  drums.

A pint of the stanadyne stuff was enough to keep several diesels happy
for several years.  How may gallons will a 5 gallon can treat, and how
many years does it take you to use that many gallons of 
fuel?   I use between 1000 and 2500 gallons a year.  That is roughly 
20k to 50 k a year, depending on the VHickle.  But you don't need to
treat every tank.  Just once in a while in the summer or if you get a
load of bad fuel.  So a pint is good for several years.  5 gallons would
probably last me 100 years.



At 09:59 PM 9/17/2009, you wrote:
> > ...http://www.conntect.com/fueladditives/biobor/..
> >
>There you are. Debunks that nonsense about being prohibited by the
gummint.
>
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>RLE
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Re: [MBZ] CL temptation of the day: $2500 '96 E300 Diesel

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

After a couple days thought, this thing really looks like an albatross.
Kaleb's voice of experience has carried the day here.

Now, I've located a 300D 2.5 in JAX that is not running but NOT a flood
car for about the same price, THAT might be a more reasonable project.

Max

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL temptation of the day: $2500 '96 E300 Diesel

I'm in KY til next week sometime.  Go there with 10 Bennies and offer
the guy that take it or leave it right now.  Then we can go get it
somehow, drag it home.  I don't have a trailer though, but thinking of
getting one.

If worse comes to worst you can part it out and get your money back.

--R

Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:
> Price reduced to $1550!
>
> Rich, busy this weekend?  Have a trailer for your truck?
>
> Max
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dillon, Meade M 
> CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:29 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: [MBZ] CL temptation of the day: $2500 '96 E300 Diesel
>
> Dieselvolk,
>
> This car is begging me to test that old adage about a cheap
Mercedes...
>
> 1996 Mercedes Benz E300 Diesel. 182K miles, salvage title, looks good 
> inside and out. Will not start. local Mercedes mechanic said the low 
> pressure fuel pump is bad ($199 for a new one from Mercedes). Awesome 
> car for not much money. 30mpg city and 40mpg highway. Asking $2500 
> call Cycle Connection for more information 843-399-5223 or Cell 
> 843-385-0096
>
> http://myrtlebeach.craigslist.org/cto/1369649126.html
>
> I called and learned that the salvage title is due to flood damage, 
> but according to the fellow who answered the phone there is no sign of

> any water damage to interior or exterior.
>
> Story is that owner purchased car at auction and had it towed home for

> repair but has decided not to repair.  Do you think he's learned that 
> the flood damage is probably more extensive than a $199 low pressure 
> fuel pump?
>
> Nevertheless, like a moth to a flame, I am tempted to take a look and 
> make an offer...
>
> Very respectfully,
> /s/
> LCDR Max Dillon
> '87 300TD 314k miles
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] BAD 300D 2.5T

[Jim Cathey]

If you recently fueled, then that is also an indication you may have 
bad fuel.  Smell the fuel.  It may be gasoline or a gasoline mixture.  
Both tank drivers and dissel car owners have been known to put 
gasoline in the Dissel tank.


Such as my wife.  The car ran, but badly.  Would start OK and
then choke out unless the throttle were kept on.

-- Jim



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