Re: [MBZ] Winter tires/wheels
Common wisdom says to use four winter tires, never two. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:30 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Winter tires/wheels I'm with Dave on that, in fact my 240D is due for 2 new tires since I didn't get an alignment done after changing UCAs last fall (stupid) and I'm torn as to keeping the rears and getting a generic set of snows for the front or replacing all 4. If I replace all 4 I'll go back to 185/whatever/14 that I had before, right now its got 195/whatever/14 except for the spare which is a 205/whatever/14... I let a slick tire salesman talk me into wider tires on my Dakota once, NEVER AGAIN. With its v8 that thing was tricky in snow anyway, with the wider tires it was a disaster in 2wd and only acceptable in 4wd. -Curt Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:39:08 -0400 From: David Kristin Gilmore dandkgilm...@frontier.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Winter tires/wheels To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 20091014203918.eb64210f...@relay02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed At 11:07 AM 10/14/2009, Donald H. Snook wrote: I found some snow tires mounted on BMW wheels for my car. I currently have 235/60/16 performance tires on my car. I found a set of nearly new Dunlop winter tires mounted. They are 235/55/17. According to an online tire diameter calculator I found that represents a difference of only .26% in diameter. So, I think it will be okay to use these. (snip) In my experience the tire with the wider footprint (here the 235/55/17) is going to be less suitable for winter. Maybe the different tread compound in the winter tire helps offset the effect, but I notice narrow tires tend to dig in and bite while the fat ones float on the surface and spin. I would go for as narrow a winter tire as BMW recommends. Easier to put chains on too. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV Superstitious belief can be thought of as a natural condition of childhood. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/628f93ba/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] A Sad Day
I am just now hearing that Captain Lou Albano died yesterday. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A Sad Day
yeah, i mean, he's just the sort of guy you expect to be around forever. over 50 years of entertaining us and now he's gone. On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I am just now hearing that Captain Lou Albano died yesterday. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/6e5805a2/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A Sad Day
I wonder who did the 3 count? In the hereafter, I'm sure he will be a hockey coach. -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:08:36 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [MBZ] A Sad Day I am just now hearing that Captain Lou Albano died yesterday. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/ae5d6138/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A Sad Day
The thing I never really understood was his deal with Cindi Lauper, but somewhere I read that they were both great people, and good friends, and did some good deeds together sorta quietly. Not sure how they hooked up, but it was kinda fun to see her around the ring. I saw a documentary about CL a few years ago, she was/is your basic blue collar girl next door who seemed to have absolutely no pretense whatsoever, and really enjoyed being able to entertain people with her gift. --R Gary Hurst wrote: yeah, i mean, he's just the sort of guy you expect to be around forever. over 50 years of entertaining us and now he's gone. On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I am just now hearing that Captain Lou Albano died yesterday. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/6e5805a2/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/94d549b3/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
Excellent - I love to hear when things go well! Larry 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems I've replaced the DVs on three engines now - two 603s and one 602. I removed enough to get plenty of room, and know that the intake manifold ws off of at least one, but don't remember about the other two. Used the special socket and a standard Sears clicking TW - no problems with any of them. Might have been blind luck, but following the procedure worked great. On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:00 AM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Thx Max - I looked at the procedure in the Tech Data book and wonder why the last torque it says 30Nm + 5Nm - I want to be absolutely sure I do this right - I wonder why they didn't just say 35Nm's? As far as torque wrenches - I have a 3/8 click type as well as a 1/4 drive beam bar (??) type for inch #s. But I'll take your advice and make sure one or the other will work. As far as doing one DV at a time, then starting the engine to test for noises - on my 602-962 engine it looks like I'll need to remove the intake air manifold that comes across the engine from the turbo to the intake. This is over the IP so will need to come off. It's not a he deal I suppose but will make for a longer time needed. If proper torqueing will prevent warping, I would think I can do the 3 step procedure. I've torqued a lot of heads using a multi-stage method followed by a 45 degree movement. Is there something especially tough about properly torquing the DV's? Not being argumentative - just trying to understand -- Thanks again for the help - Larry 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:03 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry, Fix it: loosen and repeat the three step torque procedure. Take a close look at the clearances above the IP, to make sure you can fit a torque wrench in there. On my OM603 the intake manifold makes it a very tight fit. A smaller torque wrench may be required. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:54 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Hi Max -- Thanks *very* much for your experienced suggestions! As far as your comment Obviously there are other causes for rough idle that also need to be investigated (fuel filters, air leaks, bad injectors, carbon in pre-chambers, valve adjustment on older engines, EDS problems on newer engines, compression, etc.) That's why I took it to the dealer - while my fuel filters are new, cannot find any air leaks, have treated it for carbon in the pre-chambers (along with 2 years of 100 mi RT at 67-70mph) I can't be sure of the other possibilities. Obviously, I'm hoping the MB Technician knew what he was doing. I will replace the springs and make sure all is clean - you're right about the springs - seems like false economy not to replace them while you're in there. But I have a question about the possibility of warping the IP body when torqing the DVs - you said it's necessary to Fix it. How would I do that? Maybe I'd be better off letting the dealer do it??I cringe at the thought of damaging the IP!! I'm off to get springs and the removal tool from Rusty - Thx agn - It's all *very* helpful!! Even if this doesn't fix the rocking completely, it appears it's something that needs to be done. LarryT 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Harry, Rough idle can be caused by internal leak at copper washer OR by worn elements inside the delivery valve. I suspect that you really have to know what you are looking for to identify worn elements inside the DV; new DV are pricey, but for the novice a strategy may be to purchase one and use it for comparison purposes? Obviously there are
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
I spoke with Rusty yesterday and he does not have the socket for the Injector Valves - I ordered one from Baum Tools for $40+$7 shipping. Hopefully it'll arrive soon. Rusty does have the DV springs and the MB procedure says to replace them (I already have the O-rings and copper washers) - but strangely not the o-rings - only to oil them prior to installation. Also, I looked at the engine last night to see how difficult it will be to torque the delivery valves and while it would be easier if I remove the intake manifold I hope that won't be necessary - it will all depend on the height of the socket with the torque wrench attached. Hopefully I can find a way - I don't really want to RR the intake manifold but will if need be. Thx for all the great info - Larry 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.net Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 5:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry, et al. The socket,(from Rusty I think), that I have is made by Kokon from Japan. P/N 4133. 18mm inside with lots of fine teeth. Call Rusty, he's The Man. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. At 10:14 AM 10/14/2009, you wrote: One more question. Rusty doesn't have the special socket - he suggested Assenbachertool but the only one I saw there was a 22mm MB Injector tool - it looks like a hex socket - my memory of the DVs is it having a bunch of teeth around it so a matching socket would be needed. The car is not here so I can't go look - Any idea where I might find/rent this socket? Is it a 22mm socket? ($33 above) Thanks! Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 air cleaner supports
andrew strasfogel wrote: Does anyone have a link to the diagram showing how the three threaded rubber air cleaner supports attach to the engine? AFAIK, all except the 1985 California certified cars have a T-shaped bracket bolted to the engine, you screw the rubber mounts into the bracket, then set the airbox down on the mounts and screw it down with three nuts on the mounts. I was going to look at Dr Fatty's web site for pictures because I thought he sold the T-bracket, but the online catalog is down. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
Tyler,
Found most of your data.
At 2400 RPM, Torque = 195 ft lbs
Rear axle ratio = 2.65
Curb weight = 1665 kg.
Stall speed = ???
First gear ratio = ???
I remember reading about a torque converter test whereby you hold the
brake down and floor the accelerator and the engine RPM should reach the
stall speed, which was listed, but now I cannot find that test.
Max
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
Jamie,
I'm also towing a sailboat ('74 Catalina 22)- I highly recommend one as
it's cheap and very well made. It only weighs about 2200lbs, but the
trailer and gear bring it to about 3500. I'm currently towing it with a
beat up '87 Volvo 740 turbo wagon that tows it very well, but I think
the W124 would be more comfortable and fuel efficient. I am also curious
also about the Mercedes' ability to pull up a ramp. The Volvo has been
able to pull the boat up even the steepest of ramps without issues. It
has an automatic with 2.45:1 1st gear, and a 3.73:1 rear axle with an
Eaton G80 locker- and the engine makes 187 ft*lb (253 Nm) of torque at
2900 rpm. Does anyone have the gear ratio and torque specs for the W124?
Is it available with a locking or limited slip rear differential? I
would assume if it has just as low or lower gears, a locker or LSD, and
as much torque then climbing the ramp shouldn't be an issue.
I am mostly worried about the transmission or brakes in the W124 burning
up going over mountains.
For pulling up a ramp, I think one could calculate reasonably well the
steepest ramp you could pull a given boat up given (1) the torque of the
engine at the stall speed of the torque converter, (2) the ratio of 1st
gear times the rear differential, (3) the tire outside diameter, and (4)
the combined weight of the entire rig. It's #1 that I expect to be
hardest to find...
Searching online, I found that my Volvo has a 2700rpm stall speed torque
converter and makes about 175 ft*lb of torque at this rpm - or about
1599 ft*lb at the rear axle. With a 12.5in tire radius, this is about
1535 lbs of forward thrust. Fully loaded will all of my gear, the car
and boat probably weigh 7,000lbs.
So:
Force = weight * sin(ramp angle)
ramp angle = arcsin(force/weight) = 0.22 radians = 12.61 degrees
So in theory I can probably pull up a 12.61 degree ramp. According to
BoatUS, most ramps are designed for a 6:1 slope (arctan(1/6)=9.46
degrees), so I have a good extra margin of ability, although without a
locking diff traction would probably come into play first. If someone
can help me find those same numbers for the W124 300TD, I will redo the
calculation for it.
Tyler
Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
Hi Tyler,John gives excellent information... I just installed a
factory-like
euro hitch on my 95 E320 wagon, with rated 2100kg load. Thats
4600lbs! I'm
still searching for my towable toy (a sailboat), but I'm looking at
for
3500lbs as my maximum. Its quite a bit of weight. In preparation for
towing that weight, I've already gone over my brakes (ended up
replacing
just about everything) and changing my trans fluid and filter. My
cooling
system is in good shape, with a recent radiator. My only concern is
the
car's ability to pull the boat and trailer up a launch ramp.
With some preventative maintenance, common sense, and good trailer
brakes, I
think you'll be fine.
Jaime
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Re: [MBZ] captain lou albano died today
In a short clip in there Capt Lou was beating on George The Animal Steele, who was a high school football coach in Iowa or Kansas or somewhere and took up wrestling as a hack. --R Gary Hurst wrote: there was none better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRKbsjKl-Gofeature=related -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/77dd017b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] captain lou albano died today
michigan. he was a teacher in michigan. which is why he's only be aroudn in wrestling during school vacation./ On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: In a short clip in there Capt Lou was beating on George The Animal Steele, who was a high school football coach in Iowa or Kansas or somewhere and took up wrestling as a hack. --R Gary Hurst wrote: there was none better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRKbsjKl-Gofeature=related -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/77dd017b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/a8dc9571/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BuyMBparts
The water is gone for now! Thank goodness. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] BuyMBparts On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:35:43 -0400 Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: Last night Gary and I had a major difference of opinion and he decided to end our relationship sometime during the night by deleting my email address and removing me and my IM form the web site. Boy, I'm sorry to hear this. It's something you sure didn't need. How are you doing with your flooding? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Winter tires/wheels
Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Common wisdom says to use four winter tires, never two. Two rears don't work as well as four, but they aren't 'unsafe at any speed', like two fronts would be. Growing up, all the family RWD vehicles had two snow tires on them, but never a spectacular loss of control. I went one winter with two fronts on a FWD, spun the car twice. Fortunately, both times were making a turn from a stop sign, so I just spun around in the middle of an empty intersection, ended up pointing the wrong way and looked like an idiot. Next winter those tires went to the back and I bought two new ones for the front. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
The guy I saw with the Blazer didn't have enough tongue weight and as the boat left the water the rear tires on the Blazer got light... Just remember to keep your tongue weight kinda heavy until you get out of the water and you're right the locker is probably as good as 4wd, I dunno if I'd go so far as to say better, most 4wds have low range which makes a world of difference... -Curt Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:28:03 -0700 From: Tyler casi...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 3c66f348-6301-474c-8780-10b65a05a...@usermail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes I think I did mention than an LSD or locker is required? With the eaton G80 locker in my Volvo, I have never slipped the rear tires even for a second- even when I was backed down with the water over the rear bumper on algae and sand covered ramps. I do think a locker is at least as good as regular open diff 4wd on a boat ramp, since there's a lot more weight on the rear axle than the front due to the tongue weight and incline. I have pulled a 4,000 lb boat up a ramp with a Volvo 760 Turbo Diesel that was without a locker- and it was extremely difficult due to wheelspin, and did slide sideways a bit before I could get it to start moving forwards. I don't think I'd want to tow any boat over 2,000lbs again without a locker or 4wd. With a locker and good tires, the limit is probably torque rather than traction. I don't know what lockers or LSD options there are for W124s and W123s. Would the 190E 16v LSD work? I prefer a real locker to an LSD, but either is better than nothing. Another thing that helps a lot with a sailboat is an extending trailer tongue, which will keep your rear tires on cleaner and drier pavement- as well as protect your car from saltwater damage. I paid a welder just last weekend to replace my extending tongue, which was rusted solid. Sincerely, Tyler 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/4a2e70a2/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Winter tires/wheels
Ahh, forgot to mention the tires on it now are winter tires... -Curt Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:10:59 -0400 From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Subject: Re: [MBZ] Winter tires/wheels To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 1370e90cffd2ac4b8cb65267ba10c4b801193...@naeachrlez02v.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Common wisdom says to use four winter tires, never two. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:30 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Winter tires/wheels I'm with Dave on that, in fact my 240D is due for 2 new tires since I didn't get an alignment done after changing UCAs last fall (stupid) and I'm torn as to keeping the rears and getting a generic set of snows for the front or replacing all 4. If I replace all 4 I'll go back to 185/whatever/14 that I had before, right now its got 195/whatever/14 except for the spare which is a 205/whatever/14... I let a slick tire salesman talk me into wider tires on my Dakota once, NEVER AGAIN. With its v8 that thing was tricky in snow anyway, with the wider tires it was a disaster in 2wd and only acceptable in 4wd. -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/12a61d2e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Winter tires/wheels
Dave wrote: In my experience the tire with the wider footprint (here the 235/55/17) is going to be less suitable for winter.? Maybe the different tread compound in the winter tire helps offset the effect, but I notice narrow tires tend to dig in and bite while the fat ones float on the surface and spin.? I would go for as narrow a winter tire as BMW recommends.? Easier to put chains on too. Curt wrote: I let a slick tire salesman talk me into wider tires on my Dakota once, NEVER AGAIN. With its v8 that thing was tricky in snow anyway, with the wider tires it was a disaster in 2wd and only acceptable in 4wd. My Response: I agree (in general) that narrow tires cut through the snow better. But, the tires I am looking are only slightly wider AND the fact that they are ice/winter tires more than makes up for the wider footprint. I had snow tires on my 300D and it drove great. Then, when I had my 126, I could barely get around in the snow with the summer performance tires. Replacing just the rear with ice/winter tires make it MUCH MORE driveable. If I get these tires/wheels, I will actually have all four ice/winter tires and I think it will work great. My car does also has traction control, so I bet it will do fine with snows on it. Plus, this is Kansas. We only get a few snow storms, its not like its Michigan. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/c5016621/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Winter tires/wheels
Kaleb wrote: I have shipped many a set of wheels and tires. You just slap a label on them and send them fedex. No big deal. You put the label right on the tire? How do you protect the face of the wheel from getting scratched? I did just find out that I can use my brother's discount (he works for Fed Ex), and it will be a lot cheaper to ship these than I thought. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/05d9cb7d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] captain lou albano died today
Dick the Bruiser lived down the street from a good friend/college roommate in Anderson IN, after he retired (and maybe before too, but my friend moved there in high school, after DtB retired). He was rather low key and his wife wore the pants. That aspect shattered hopes and dreams instilled in me as a child. --R Gary Hurst wrote: michigan. he was a teacher in michigan. which is why he's only be aroudn in wrestling during school vacation./ On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: In a short clip in there Capt Lou was beating on George The Animal Steele, who was a high school football coach in Iowa or Kansas or somewhere and took up wrestling as a hack. --R Gary Hurst wrote: there was none better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRKbsjKl-Gofeature=related -- next part -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Winter tires/wheels
Dave wrote: I would go for as narrow a winter tire as BMW recommends. Easier to put chains on too. Craig noted: Good points. Actually, BMW does not recommend chains on these cars because it affects the traction control. Plus, we don't get enough snow to use chains. I would put them on drive to work and then have to take them off before I went home because the snow had melted. I would have to take them on and off all the time. I did use chains once on my 1971 250. There was a set of chains in the trunk from the previous owner. I was completely stuck at my house. It was a nasty mix of snow and ice. I put the chains on and the car climbed right out. Worked great. But, that was 12 years ago and I have never needed them since (or even had any chains to try). Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/732d3058/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BuyMBparts
Does this mean ordering on the 'net will be from outside sources, and calling you will be from your Atlanta store? Are you and Gary now operating as separate businesses? Thanks, Gerry --- The water is gone for now! Thank goodness. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:35:43 -0400 Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: Last night Gary and I had a major difference of opinion and he decided to end our relationship sometime during the night by deleting my email address and removing me and my IM form the web site. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] [Fwd: Normandy - Yesterday and today]
Normandy - Yesterday and today. This is particularly interesting in the way the photographer captured the precise locations from 60+ years earlier Ted Striplin 1509 N Choctaw Ave Claremore, OK 74017 Home: (918)342-3412 Mobile: (918)625-3413 tstrip...@cox.net mailto:tstrip...@cox.net et cognoscetis veritatem et veritas liberabit vos -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/08335b87/attachment.html -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Normandia-ontemehojePARTE1.pps Type: application/octet-stream Size: 6303744 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/08335b87/attachment.obj -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Winter tires/wheels
My Dad always told me that a Model 'T' was the best in snow. Skinny Tires A bunch of ground clearance Easy to 'rock' with planetary transmission. Me? My old Beatles with studded recap snow were pretty good, in a straight line. -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:56:57 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [MBZ] Winter tires/wheels Dave wrote: In my experience the tire with the wider footprint (here the 235/55/17) is going to be less suitable for winter.? Maybe the different tread compound in the winter tire helps offset the effect, but I notice narrow tires tend to dig in and bite while the fat ones float on the surface and spin.? I would go for as narrow a winter tire as BMW recommends.? Easier to put chains on too. Curt wrote: I let a slick tire salesman talk me into wider tires on my Dakota once, NEVER AGAIN. With its v8 that thing was tricky in snow anyway, with the wider tires it was a disaster in 2wd and only acceptable in 4wd. My Response: I agree (in general) that narrow tires cut through the snow better. But, the tires I am looking are only slightly wider AND the fact that they are ice/winter tires more than makes up for the wider footprint. I had snow tires on my 300D and it drove great. Then, when I had my 126, I could barely get around in the snow with the summer performance tires. Replacing just the rear with ice/winter tires make it MUCH MORE driveable. If I get these tires/wheels, I will actually have all four ice/winter tires and I think it will work great. My car does also has traction control, so I bet it will do fine with snows on it. Plus, this is Kansas. We only get a few snow storms, its not like its Michigan. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/c5016621/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/8810694c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BuyMBparts
Yes. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] BuyMBparts Does this mean ordering on the 'net will be from outside sources, and calling you will be from your Atlanta store? Are you and Gary now operating as separate businesses? Thanks, Gerry --- The water is gone for now! Thank goodness. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:35:43 -0400 Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: Last night Gary and I had a major difference of opinion and he decided to end our relationship sometime during the night by deleting my email address and removing me and my IM form the web site. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: Normandy - Yesterday and today]
Kaleb, drink another cup of joe, then remember to include the link on the rest of your emails today Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:53 PM To: Banned List; mercedes Mailing List Subject: [MBZ] [Fwd: Normandy - Yesterday and today] Normandy - Yesterday and today. This is particularly interesting in the way the photographer captured the precise locations from 60+ years earlier Ted Striplin 1509 N Choctaw Ave Claremore, OK 74017 Home: (918)342-3412 Mobile: (918)625-3413 tstrip...@cox.net mailto:tstrip...@cox.net et cognoscetis veritatem et veritas liberabit vos -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/2009101 4/08335b87/attachment.html -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Normandia-ontemehojePARTE1.pps Type: application/octet-stream Size: 6303744 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/2009101 4/08335b87/attachment.obj -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
I remember reading about a torque converter test whereby you hold the brake down and floor the accelerator and the engine RPM should reach the stall speed, which was listed, but now I cannot find that test. That's the test. And if the motor doesn't reach stall speed, and is not otherwise puny feeling, it could be that the torque converter is broken. Our 450SL had stripped stator splines on the front of the transmission, so the TC couldn't convert torque, nor could the engine reach the official stall speed. Was a dog off the line, felt fine at highway speed. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
OK, so I'm not mis-remembering, but what is the source for the stall speed number? Is it in the service manual or is it only in the transmission manual? Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:28 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon? I remember reading about a torque converter test whereby you hold the brake down and floor the accelerator and the engine RPM should reach the stall speed, which was listed, but now I cannot find that test. That's the test. And if the motor doesn't reach stall speed, and is not otherwise puny feeling, it could be that the torque converter is broken. Our 450SL had stripped stator splines on the front of the transmission, so the TC couldn't convert torque, nor could the engine reach the official stall speed. Was a dog off the line, felt fine at highway speed. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: Normandy - Yesterday and today]
the link to download the file was at the bottom of the email. After you save it just remember to change the extension from .obj to .pps Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Kaleb, drink another cup of joe, then remember to include the link on the rest of your emails today Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:53 PM To: Banned List; mercedes Mailing List Subject: [MBZ] [Fwd: Normandy - Yesterday and today] Normandy - Yesterday and today. This is particularly interesting in the way the photographer captured the precise locations from 60+ years earlier Ted Striplin 1509 N Choctaw Ave Claremore, OK 74017 Home: (918)342-3412 Mobile: (918)625-3413 tstrip...@cox.net mailto:tstrip...@cox.net et cognoscetis veritatem et veritas liberabit vos -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/2009101 4/08335b87/attachment.html -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Normandia-ontemehojePARTE1.pps Type: application/octet-stream Size: 6303744 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/2009101 4/08335b87/attachment.obj -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/4ebf7e6a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
so what all are you supposed to replace? I need to do them on my 606. I ordered the o rings but that is it, do I need the washers and the springs also? LarryT wrote: I spoke with Rusty yesterday and he does not have the socket for the Injector Valves - I ordered one from Baum Tools for $40+$7 shipping. Hopefully it'll arrive soon. Rusty does have the DV springs and the MB procedure says to replace them (I already have the O-rings and copper washers) - but strangely not the o-rings - only to oil them prior to installation. Also, I looked at the engine last night to see how difficult it will be to torque the delivery valves and while it would be easier if I remove the intake manifold I hope that won't be necessary - it will all depend on the height of the socket with the torque wrench attached. Hopefully I can find a way - I don't really want to RR the intake manifold but will if need be. Thx for all the great info - Larry 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.net Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 5:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry, et al. The socket,(from Rusty I think), that I have is made by Kokon from Japan. P/N 4133. 18mm inside with lots of fine teeth. Call Rusty, he's The Man. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. At 10:14 AM 10/14/2009, you wrote: One more question. Rusty doesn't have the special socket - he suggested Assenbachertool but the only one I saw there was a 22mm MB Injector tool - it looks like a hex socket - my memory of the DVs is it having a bunch of teeth around it so a matching socket would be needed. The car is not here so I can't go look - Any idea where I might find/rent this socket? Is it a 22mm socket? ($33 above) Thanks! Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Winter tires/wheels
You just strap a couple of them together like somebody else said, I stick the label on those plastic hanging tag things fedex has. Donald Snook wrote: Kaleb wrote: I have shipped many a set of wheels and tires. You just slap a label on them and send them fedex. No big deal. You put the label right on the tire? How do you protect the face of the wheel from getting scratched? I did just find out that I can use my brother's discount (he works for Fed Ex), and it will be a lot cheaper to ship these than I thought. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/05d9cb7d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/e9eb6152/attachment.html -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Winter tires/wheels
Snow Traction really is nothing more the a formula of weight per square inch of road contact area. (narrow tires better) Then the formula gets complicated when you try to figure out the going or driving traction vs the changing of direction (steering) straction. Best car I ever had in snow was my rear wheel drive volvo 244. Perfectly balanced between steering and acceleration traction. Would out perform friends 4 wheel drive Jeep Grand Cherekee. On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:17 AM, pm7...@comcast.net wrote: My Dad always told me that a Model 'T' was the best in snow. Skinny Tires A bunch of ground clearance Easy to 'rock' with planetary transmission. Me? My old Beatles with studded recap snow were pretty good, in a straight line. -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:56:57 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [MBZ] Winter tires/wheels Dave wrote: In my experience the tire with the wider footprint (here the 235/55/17) is going to be less suitable for winter.? Maybe the different tread compound in the winter tire helps offset the effect, but I notice narrow tires tend to dig in and bite while the fat ones float on the surface and spin.? I would go for as narrow a winter tire as BMW recommends.? Easier to put chains on too. Curt wrote: I let a slick tire salesman talk me into wider tires on my Dakota once, NEVER AGAIN. With its v8 that thing was tricky in snow anyway, with the wider tires it was a disaster in 2wd and only acceptable in 4wd. My Response: I agree (in general) that narrow tires cut through the snow better. But, the tires I am looking are only slightly wider AND the fact that they are ice/winter tires more than makes up for the wider footprint. I had snow tires on my 300D and it drove great. Then, when I had my 126, I could barely get around in the snow with the summer performance tires. Replacing just the rear with ice/winter tires make it MUCH MORE driveable. If I get these tires/wheels, I will actually have all four ice/winter tires and I think it will work great. My car does also has traction control, so I bet it will do fine with snows on it. Plus, this is Kansas. We only get a few snow storms, its not like its Michigan. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/c5016621/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/8810694c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/9bb49ac3/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: Normandy - Yesterday and today]
Ah, OK, now I understand. Thanks, Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:31 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: Normandy - Yesterday and today] the link to download the file was at the bottom of the email. After you save it just remember to change the extension from .obj to .pps Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Kaleb, drink another cup of joe, then remember to include the link on the rest of your emails today Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:53 PM To: Banned List; mercedes Mailing List Subject: [MBZ] [Fwd: Normandy - Yesterday and today] Normandy - Yesterday and today. This is particularly interesting in the way the photographer captured the precise locations from 60+ years earlier Ted Striplin 1509 N Choctaw Ave Claremore, OK 74017 Home: (918)342-3412 Mobile: (918)625-3413 tstrip...@cox.net mailto:tstrip...@cox.net et cognoscetis veritatem et veritas liberabit vos -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091 01 4/08335b87/attachment.html -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Normandia-ontemehojePARTE1.pps Type: application/octet-stream Size: 6303744 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091 01 4/08335b87/attachment.obj -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/2009101 5/4ebf7e6a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL
Hi Rich, and thanks for the offer, but there are several of them around here close to home if I decide to take the plunge. ;-) Thanks again, Ed 300E 2009/10/14 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net If you are seriously interested I could go take a look at that car. It has been listed long enough they might be willing to entertain offers. --R E M wrote: Exterior looks nice. If they are in good running order and clean, it's a lot of car for $5000. I know I have an old brochure kicking around somewhere, that listed all the options. One of them, and an expensive one, was where the bench rear seat was replaced with two seats, and a center wood console divider. I've yet to see a car with that option. I seem to remember it was something close to $10,000 in late 80s dollars. Does anyone know if they used the seat pattern as used on Euro cars with cloth, on the leather seats too ? Not sure how to describe it, but it wasn't folded and pleated as on W126s that came to North America. Ed 300 2009/10/14 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net There's a black one that has been sitting on a used car dealer lot for months, and posted on CL every few days, $5450 http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/1419164721.html I have seen it driving by, looks nice exterior but I have not stopped to look at it. I think this is the one where you could get hudge savings and all your friends will be your envy or all your base are belong to us or something like that. --R E M wrote: saw a great 560 the other day, no rust at all, interior perfect, and rear window shade. I'd still love a 560 if I could find a nice clean one. I was tempted to leave a note on the car, as I have done in the past with other cars, but I resisted. :-) Ed 300E -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/4c74aeb5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/200c20c5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/ed80789c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/a38c3fd8/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Tyler casi...@usermail.com wrote: I don't know what lockers or LSD options there are for W124s and W123s. Would the 190E 16v LSD work? I prefer a real locker to an LSD, but either is better than nothing. No 124s came from the factory with LSD, only electronic traction control (mostly found in 500Es). The LSD from the 190E 2.3-16 does drop right in, but the final drive ratio is totally wrong. Keep in mind, also, that LSDs wear out fast and a used one is likely to be not much better than an open diff. Rebuilding one requires special tools. For a full discussion read this thread: http://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w124/224048-limited-slip-differentials-w124s.html AMGDave is Dave Meimann, probably the most knowledgeable guy in America on performance mods for the '87 300D. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:59 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: No 124s came from the factory with LSD, only electronic traction control (mostly found in 500Es). Fingers got ahead of my brain. I meant to write that no 124s came from the factory *to the USA* with LSD except those with traction control as well via the ASD system, and that is a rare option---most USA spec cars with traction control were 500Es, and used an electronic system. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD
Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/b27f9d24/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/560ed9f4/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
If you have a rough idle and suspect a DV could be contributing, then I'd recommend the springs and the copper washer, but many have only replaced the copper washer and suffered no ill by re-using the springs. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:04 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems so what all are you supposed to replace? I need to do them on my 606. I ordered the o rings but that is it, do I need the washers and the springs also? LarryT wrote: I spoke with Rusty yesterday and he does not have the socket for the Injector Valves - I ordered one from Baum Tools for $40+$7 shipping. Hopefully it'll arrive soon. Rusty does have the DV springs and the MB procedure says to replace them (I already have the O-rings and copper washers) - but strangely not the o-rings - only to oil them prior to installation. Also, I looked at the engine last night to see how difficult it will be to torque the delivery valves and while it would be easier if I remove the intake manifold I hope that won't be necessary - it will all depend on the height of the socket with the torque wrench attached. Hopefully I can find a way - I don't really want to RR the intake manifold but will if need be. Thx for all the great info - Larry 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.net Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 5:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry, et al. The socket,(from Rusty I think), that I have is made by Kokon from Japan. P/N 4133. 18mm inside with lots of fine teeth. Call Rusty, he's The Man. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. At 10:14 AM 10/14/2009, you wrote: One more question. Rusty doesn't have the special socket - he suggested Assenbachertool but the only one I saw there was a 22mm MB Injector tool - it looks like a hex socket - my memory of the DVs is it having a bunch of teeth around it so a matching socket would be needed. The car is not here so I can't go look - Any idea where I might find/rent this socket? Is it a 22mm socket? ($33 above) Thanks! Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] MB list of recommended fluids - online link
All, Cool link I learned about today: http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/index.php?language_id=1 Very respectfully, /s/ LCDR Max Dillon '87 300TD 315k miles Charleston SC -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/f9779a2d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
Thanks for the link. This sounds like a major obstacle- I don't think I will look for an MB tow vehicle unless I get my hands on a working differential first. Tyler Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Tyler casi...@usermail.com wrote: I don't know what lockers or LSD options there are for W124s and W123s. Would the 190E 16v LSD work? I prefer a real locker to an LSD, but either is better than nothing. No 124s came from the factory with LSD, only electronic traction control (mostly found in 500Es). The LSD from the 190E 2.3-16 does drop right in, but the final drive ratio is totally wrong. Keep in mind, also, that LSDs wear out fast and a used one is likely to be not much better than an open diff. Rebuilding one requires special tools. For a full discussion read this thread: http://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w124/224048-limited-slip-differentials-w124s.html AMGDave is Dave Meimann, probably the most knowledgeable guy in America on performance mods for the '87 300D. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test
Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific it is but it seems convincing. Here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing. 516 pounds WD-40... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds Kano Kroil... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a home brew mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that Liquid Wrench is about as good as Kroil for about 20% of the price. Take care - Larryt 74 911 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/19faea12/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test
I used the ATF/Acetone on my oil line fittings before I changed the lines. Had no trouble with them at all. Allan -- 1983 300D On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:40 -0400, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific it is but it seems convincing. Here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing. 516 pounds WD-40... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds Kano Kroil... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a home brew mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that Liquid Wrench is about as good as Kroil for about 20% of the price. Take care - Larryt 74 911 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/19faea12/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test
Did you use fingernail polish remover for the acetone source, or something else? Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:43 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test I used the ATF/Acetone on my oil line fittings before I changed the lines. Had no trouble with them at all. Allan -- 1983 300D On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:40 -0400, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific it is but it seems convincing. Here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing. 516 pounds WD-40... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds Kano Kroil... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a home brew mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that Liquid Wrench is about as good as Kroil for about 20% of the price. Take care - Larryt 74 911 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091 015/19faea12/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test
Thanks Larry, Good to know-I grew up on liquid wrench. Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:41 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com; 911/993/996 Subject: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific it is but it seems convincing. Here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing. 516 pounds WD-40... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds Kano Kroil... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a home brew mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that Liquid Wrench is about as good as Kroil for about 20% of the price. Take care - Larryt 74 911 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/19 faea12/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test
No you can buy acetone at any paint store or most hardware stores. Allan On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:49 -0400, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: Did you use fingernail polish remover for the acetone source, or something else? Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:43 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test I used the ATF/Acetone on my oil line fittings before I changed the lines. Had no trouble with them at all. Allan -- 1983 300D On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:40 -0400, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific it is but it seems convincing. Here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing. 516 pounds WD-40... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds Kano Kroil... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a home brew mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that Liquid Wrench is about as good as Kroil for about 20% of the price. Take care - Larryt 74 911 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091 015/19faea12/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test
When I was learning to wrench on rusty air-cooled VW's in Wisconsin, Liquid WRENCH didn't seem to work very well (but the blue wrench was a lifesaver). The other trick that worked if you had the clearance was to deeply grove one face of the rusted nut with a cold chisel, grove aligned with stud axis. This was a great way to expand the nut a little and break the rust bond. Thusly one could avoid twisting off the studs holding the muffler to the heads. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:54 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test Thanks Larry, Good to know-I grew up on liquid wrench. Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:41 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com; 911/993/996 Subject: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific it is but it seems convincing. Here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing. 516 pounds WD-40... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds Kano Kroil... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a home brew mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that Liquid Wrench is about as good as Kroil for about 20% of the price. Take care - Larryt 74 911 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/2009101 5/19 faea12/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
I did the o-rings and the copper washer, per Marshall. I wondered about the springs, but didn't order them, so didn't replace them. On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: If you have a rough idle and suspect a DV could be contributing, then I'd recommend the springs and the copper washer, but many have only replaced the copper washer and suffered no ill by re-using the springs. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:04 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems so what all are you supposed to replace? I need to do them on my 606. I ordered the o rings but that is it, do I need the washers and the springs also? -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/11a275b0/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test
That quotes the same article I sent to the list a year ago or so --- On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:40 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific it is but it seems convincing. Here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing. 516 pounds WD-40... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds Kano Kroil... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a home brew mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that Liquid Wrench is about as good as Kroil for about 20% of the price. Take care - Larryt 74 911 91 300D -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/af22da18/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test
Do you have any more info on this? It's REALLY interesting, but I'm surprised PB Blaster doesn't do much more than WD-40- so I want to know what their methods are. I love that the cheapest thing on the list actually works the best by far! My experience is that PB Blaster works really well, but needs a very long period of soaking (overnight, or even a week) to work properly. When I take an exhaust manifold off, I'll usually soak it everyday with PB for a week before the job, and the bolts will feel nearly hand tight at the end- when I'm certain the studs would have just broken off without the PB Blaster. Tyler LarryT wrote: Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific it is but it seems convincing. Here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing. 516 pounds WD-40... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds Kano Kroil... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a home brew mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that Liquid Wrench is about as good as Kroil for about 20% of the price. Take care - Larryt 74 911 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/19faea12/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
Hi Max - Seems like once I've taken the DVs apart I may as well replace the o-rings. Does it not? Also, the o-rings are the least expensive parts (IIRC) - the springs are over $17 for 5 from Rusty. Hmmm. BTW, Max I rec'd similar training - I was a mechanics apprentice at a VW-Porsche dealer in the late 60s. Had to replace many exhaust studs ;-) LarryT 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems If you have a rough idle and suspect a DV could be contributing, then I'd recommend the springs and the copper washer, but many have only replaced the copper washer and suffered no ill by re-using the springs. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:04 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems so what all are you supposed to replace? I need to do them on my 606. I ordered the o rings but that is it, do I need the washers and the springs also? LarryT wrote: I spoke with Rusty yesterday and he does not have the socket for the Injector Valves - I ordered one from Baum Tools for $40+$7 shipping. Hopefully it'll arrive soon. Rusty does have the DV springs and the MB procedure says to replace them (I already have the O-rings and copper washers) - but strangely not the o-rings - only to oil them prior to installation. Also, I looked at the engine last night to see how difficult it will be to torque the delivery valves and while it would be easier if I remove the intake manifold I hope that won't be necessary - it will all depend on the height of the socket with the torque wrench attached. Hopefully I can find a way - I don't really want to RR the intake manifold but will if need be. Thx for all the great info - Larry 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.net Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 5:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry, et al. The socket,(from Rusty I think), that I have is made by Kokon from Japan. P/N 4133. 18mm inside with lots of fine teeth. Call Rusty, he's The Man. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. At 10:14 AM 10/14/2009, you wrote: One more question. Rusty doesn't have the special socket - he suggested Assenbachertool but the only one I saw there was a 22mm MB Injector tool - it looks like a hex socket - my memory of the DVs is it having a bunch of teeth around it so a matching socket would be needed. The car is not here so I can't go look - Any idea where I might find/rent this socket? Is it a 22mm socket? ($33 above) Thanks! Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to
Re: [MBZ] captain lou albano died today
Hector Guerrero (Eddie's big brother and son of the famous Guerrero) is a good friend of mine and an elementary school PE teacher. The nicest guy you ever met. Dan --- On Thu, 10/15/09, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] captain lou albano died today To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 9:21 AM michigan. he was a teacher in michigan. which is why he's only be aroudn in wrestling during school vacation./ On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: In a short clip in there Capt Lou was beating on George The Animal Steele, who was a high school football coach in Iowa or Kansas or somewhere and took up wrestling as a hack. --R Gary Hurst wrote: there was none better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRKbsjKl-Gofeature=related -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/77dd017b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/a8dc9571/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/928f648e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test
Since this was supposedly a scientifically rusted environment test, it would be nice to know what the standard deviation is/was in this testing as I'm having a hard time believing that something as useless as Liquid Wrench performed as well as it did. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/18355a2d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] captain lou albano died today
i bet he doesn't talk much about the time back in 77 when me and tanaka kicked his and chavo's asses all over the olympic auditorium On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 6:16 PM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Hector Guerrero (Eddie's big brother and son of the famous Guerrero) is a good friend of mine and an elementary school PE teacher. The nicest guy you ever met. Dan --- On Thu, 10/15/09, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] captain lou albano died today To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 9:21 AM michigan. he was a teacher in michigan. which is why he's only be aroudn in wrestling during school vacation./ On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: In a short clip in there Capt Lou was beating on George The Animal Steele, who was a high school football coach in Iowa or Kansas or somewhere and took up wrestling as a hack. --R Gary Hurst wrote: there was none better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRKbsjKl-Gofeature=related -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/77dd017b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/a8dc9571/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/928f648e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/381358ca/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test-now Servo Repair
I am in the process of rebuilding the climate control servo for the wife's '79 300TD. I have 2 servos from which I hope to make one good one. The good upper unit, which houses the gear train has a machine screw sheared off at the surface of the plastic housing. Who knew that about 1/4 of screw threads in the plastic would hold well enough to shear an 8X32 screw (even AFTER soaking with PB Blaster!)? Drilling it out did not seem like a good option because of the softness of the surrounding plastic, nor is the blue wrench usable. Battery acid didn't do much. My next try is a saturated solution of alum with an overnight soak. I have read reports that this will dissolve steel, and I know it won't hurt the plastic. If anyone has an interest, I'll report how it turns out! Greg Fiorentino '85 300SD '80 240D 4 spd. manual '79 300TD (with new crate engine) '95 and '97 Crown Vics '97 F-250HD Crew Cab 7.3 Powerstroke -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:41 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com; 911/993/996 Subject: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific it is but it seems convincing. Here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing. 516 pounds WD-40... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds Kano Kroil... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a home brew mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that Liquid Wrench is about as good as Kroil for about 20% of the price. Take care - Larryt 74 911 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/19 faea12/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test
I got the info from another list (MGB) - you saw all I saw. I also wish there were some ASTM testing stadards for something like this but I don't recall any. That doesn't mean much though - I was interested in valves and piping and other stuff used in nuclear submarines. Rust wasn't normally a problem - Wish I knew more - LarryT 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 5:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test That quotes the same article I sent to the list a year ago or so --- On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:40 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific it is but it seems convincing. Here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing. 516 pounds WD-40... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds Kano Kroil... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a home brew mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that Liquid Wrench is about as good as Kroil for about 20% of the price. Take care - Larryt 74 911 91 300D -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/af22da18/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT - chain saws
Is the Poulan Pro 18 chain saw a decent tool? On 'sale' locally for $150. It would be for occaisonal use - to supplement the 10 electric trimming saw I currently use, and that I don't think will be up to felling the 16 diameter dead pine tree in the front yard. -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/a3b1c740/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test-now Servo Repair
Alum should remove the screw, or at least corrode it enough to get it loose. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] captain lou albano died today
I will have to ask him about that next time I speak with him. I might talk to him 5-6 times a year now, as he teaches at a different school than the one I was at, and I don't live nearby, either. I will say that he was always very humble about his wrestling career, and rarely spoke about it unless directly quizzed. A couple of year back he was doing some one-nighters along the southeast coast during the summer to stay in shape and bring in some extra cash. He complained about the young kids who didn't stick to the script (not his term) and would sometimes hurt him. I know he was concerned about being injured in these matches, because of the previously mentioned concerns as well as his age (I think he's in his early 50s.) I never pressed him to tell stories about his former career except in specific instances when you would toss stuff out and me like this and I would run it by him. He seemed genuinely impressed that someone would still have an interest in the good old days. Dan (who went to school with Dick the Bruiser's son) --- On Thu, 10/15/09, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] captain lou albano died today To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 7:26 PM i bet he doesn't talk much about the time back in 77 when me and tanaka kicked his and chavo's asses all over the olympic auditorium On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 6:16 PM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Hector Guerrero (Eddie's big brother and son of the famous Guerrero) is a good friend of mine and an elementary school PE teacher. The nicest guy you ever met. Dan --- On Thu, 10/15/09, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] captain lou albano died today To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 9:21 AM michigan. he was a teacher in michigan. which is why he's only be aroudn in wrestling during school vacation./ On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: In a short clip in there Capt Lou was beating on George The Animal Steele, who was a high school football coach in Iowa or Kansas or somewhere and took up wrestling as a hack. --R Gary Hurst wrote: there was none better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRKbsjKl-Gofeature=related -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/77dd017b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/a8dc9571/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/928f648e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/381358ca/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/b28ee91c/attachment.html ___ http
Re: [MBZ] OT - chain saws
From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Is the Poulan Pro 18 chain saw a decent tool? On 'sale' locally for $150. It would be for occaisonal use - to supplement the 10 electric trimming saw I currently use, and that I don't think will be up to felling the 16 diameter dead pine tree in the front yard. If it is a new saw it will be fine for occasional homeowner type use. I have a Stihl, but then I heat with wood. If you are going to be sawing for more than 15-20 minutes at a time, you should consider a higher quality saw. Carpal tunnel syndrome from vibration sucks, and to my knowledge is irreversible. Stihl, Echo, and Husqvarna are all considered higher quality saws. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - chain saws
Agree poulan is ok for occ use, best is stihl Sent from my iPhone On Oct 15, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Is the Poulan Pro 18 chain saw a decent tool? On 'sale' locally for $150. It would be for occaisonal use - to supplement the 10 electric trimming saw I currently use, and that I don't think will be up to felling the 16 diameter dead pine tree in the front yard. If it is a new saw it will be fine for occasional homeowner type use. I have a Stihl, but then I heat with wood. If you are going to be sawing for more than 15-20 minutes at a time, you should consider a higher quality saw. Carpal tunnel syndrome from vibration sucks, and to my knowledge is irreversible. Stihl, Echo, and Husqvarna are all considered higher quality saws. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] rear bumper falling off
I'd been hearing some rattling in the back of the car for a few weeks, been too busy to really check it out. I have some junk in the trunk right now so I though there was a good chance that was the explanation. Today I noticed the bumper has become totally detached from the mounting bracket on the left (driver's) side. Looks like the welds just rusted away, though there's no rust anywhere on the bumper otherwise. Is this common? Looking like another job for my cheap Harbor Freight MIG welder. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - chain saws
Is that the orange one they sell at Lowe's? I bought chainsaw there a coupla months ago, I think it is a Poulan. It has a brake feature that you pull back on the guard to lock the chain so when you start it you won't cut your hand off or something. The second day of cutting up a BIG oak tree that thing broke and locked the chain so it was unusable. Back to Lowes, they gave me a new one which has worked fine. I have an old (like 45yr) Homelite that was a great saw until the fuel pickup quit picking up, I haven't fooled with it though I did find parts are nearly unobtainable. And another one my dad had that refuses to idle but runs fine if you keep it wide open. Kinda hard to use. I tried to adjust that one, 2 cycles mystify me. The orange one seems better so far. --R OK Don wrote: Is the Poulan Pro 18 chain saw a decent tool? On 'sale' locally for $150. It would be for occaisonal use - to supplement the 10 electric trimming saw I currently use, and that I don't think will be up to felling the 16 diameter dead pine tree in the front yard. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] captain lou albano died today
Did you live in Anderson? My buddy moved there before HS and then he and I were college room mates, I remember him showing me DtB's house that was down the street from his when I visited. I was mightily impressed, but never saw him, which was a disappointment. --R LWB250 wrote: Dan (who went to school with Dick the Bruiser's son) --- On Thu, 10/15/09, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rear bumper falling off
Badunkadunk. --R Allan Streib wrote: I have some junk in the trunk right now ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - chain saws
No, it's yellow - Poulan Pro PP4218AVX 18-Inch 42cc 2-Stroke Gas Powered Anti-Vibration Chain Saw http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B001SQWCUQ/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8m=ATVPDKIKX0DERv=glance I know it's a home-use toy, but given the little use I have for it, it seems like it might be good enough. Kind of like buying a Harbor Freight tool? On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Is that the orange one they sell at Lowe's? I bought chainsaw there a coupla months ago, I think it is a Poulan. It has a brake feature that you pull back on the guard to lock the chain so when you start it you won't cut your hand off or something. The second day of cutting up a BIG oak tree that thing broke and locked the chain so it was unusable. Back to Lowes, they gave me a new one which has worked fine. I have an old (like 45yr) Homelite that was a great saw until the fuel pickup quit picking up, I haven't fooled with it though I did find parts are nearly unobtainable. And another one my dad had that refuses to idle but runs fine if you keep it wide open. Kinda hard to use. I tried to adjust that one, 2 cycles mystify me. The orange one seems better so far. --R OK Don wrote: Is the Poulan Pro 18 chain saw a decent tool? On 'sale' locally for $150. It would be for occaisonal use - to supplement the 10 electric trimming saw I currently use, and that I don't think will be up to felling the 16 diameter dead pine tree in the front yard. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/207e6f0f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] captain lou albano died today
I don't know what time frame you speak of, but the Bruiser lived in Hill Valley, a subdivision on the south side of Indianapolis, in the mid 70s, when I was in high school. His son went to Southport HS, which was split with Perry Meridian HS, where he graduated from (and I attended at the same time.) His son wrestled at Southport but was not what one might call a standout on the team. He had this whopping big white house with a fountain in front. We always wanted to dump some KoolAid or something in it but were afraid of the repercussions if we got caught... Dan --- On Thu, 10/15/09, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] captain lou albano died today To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 9:47 PM Did you live in Anderson? My buddy moved there before HS and then he and I were college room mates, I remember him showing me DtB's house that was down the street from his when I visited. I was mightily impressed, but never saw him, which was a disappointment. --R LWB250 wrote: Dan (who went to school with Dick the Bruiser's son) --- On Thu, 10/15/09, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/54b48ceb/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - chain saws
--R- wrote: And another one my dad had that refuses to idle but runs fine if you keep it wide open. Kinda hard to use. I tried to adjust that one, 2 cycles mystify me. Send it to me - we can make it work. Plus, we might have a better selection of shops that have old stuff for old engines... maybe... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] captain lou albano died today
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Re: [MBZ] rear bumper falling off
Today I noticed the bumper has become totally detached from the mounting bracket on the left (driver's) side. Looks like the welds just rusted away, though there's no rust anywhere on the bumper otherwise. When mine came loose, it was apparent that glue had failed due to corrosion eating its foundation. Not welded/weldable, in other words. I got another bumper at the U-Pull. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - chain saws
From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Is that the orange one they sell at Lowe's? I bought chainsaw there a coupla months ago, Orange is a Husqvarna. Take it back, I think they are warranted for a year. Good saw. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - chain saws
From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com No, it's yellow - Poulan Pro PP4218AVX 18-Inch 42cc 2-Stroke Gas Powered Anti-Vibration Chain Saw http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B001SQWCUQ/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8m=ATVPDKIKX0DERv=glance I know it's a home-use toy, but given the little use I have for it, it seems like it might be good enough. Kind of like buying a Harbor Freight tool? Nah, you should get many years of service out of that saw. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rear bumper falling off
Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net writes: When mine came loose, it was apparent that glue had failed due to corrosion eating its foundation. Not welded/weldable, in other words. I got another bumper at the U-Pull. Glue? The bumpers are glued to the supports? Guess this is not one of the places Shoe Goo would work, huh? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - chain saws
Good to hear -- On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com No, it's yellow - Poulan Pro PP4218AVX 18-Inch 42cc 2-Stroke Gas Powered Anti-Vibration Chain Saw http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B001SQWCUQ/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8m=ATVPDKIKX0DERv=glance I know it's a home-use toy, but given the little use I have for it, it seems like it might be good enough. Kind of like buying a Harbor Freight tool? Nah, you should get many years of service out of that saw. Rick -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/26083201/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - chain saws
OK Don wrote: No, it's yellow - Poulan Pro PP4218AVX I'm not familiar with that one, but the model number makes me wonder if it's a yellow Wild Thing. Hopefully, if they put the PP name on it they put a plated cylinder in it. The Wild Thing is a world class POS, with a chrome plated piston running in an untreated bore. Since few customers put ten hours on the thing, most of them don't wear it out. There's only one $100 pro-built saw out there, the refurbished Ryobi 10532: http://www.toolsnow.com/ryobi-gas-chainsaw.html Vertically split magnesium crankcase, and the bar mount studs thread into the magnesium, not into plastic. (and yes, it looks like something Tonka would market) http://arboristsite.com/showthread.php?t=100462 If you want a new homeowner saw instead of one of those used store return refurbs, then I suggest you go to TSC and drop $200 on a much better Poulan Pro 330, or go to the Stihl dealer and pick up a MS-181, or maybe a Husky 235. Or maybe I'll sell you my John Deere CS-36LE, which is still sealed in the factory carton. http://arboristsite.com/showthread.php?t=111305 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
Larry The o-rings are what seals the inside from the outside, prevents fuel getting out and air getting in. DV repairs are normally brought on because of that, but it makes sense to replace the copper seals and springs while in the area. Harry - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Hi Max - Seems like once I've taken the DVs apart I may as well replace the o-rings. Does it not? Also, the o-rings are the least expensive parts (IIRC) - the springs are over $17 for 5 from Rusty. Hmmm. BTW, Max I rec'd similar training - I was a mechanics apprentice at a VW-Porsche dealer in the late 60s. Had to replace many exhaust studs ;-) LarryT 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems If you have a rough idle and suspect a DV could be contributing, then I'd recommend the springs and the copper washer, but many have only replaced the copper washer and suffered no ill by re-using the springs. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:04 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems so what all are you supposed to replace? I need to do them on my 606. I ordered the o rings but that is it, do I need the washers and the springs also? LarryT wrote: I spoke with Rusty yesterday and he does not have the socket for the Injector Valves - I ordered one from Baum Tools for $40+$7 shipping. Hopefully it'll arrive soon. Rusty does have the DV springs and the MB procedure says to replace them (I already have the O-rings and copper washers) - but strangely not the o-rings - only to oil them prior to installation. Also, I looked at the engine last night to see how difficult it will be to torque the delivery valves and while it would be easier if I remove the intake manifold I hope that won't be necessary - it will all depend on the height of the socket with the torque wrench attached. Hopefully I can find a way - I don't really want to RR the intake manifold but will if need be. Thx for all the great info - Larry 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.net Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 5:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry, et al. The socket,(from Rusty I think), that I have is made by Kokon from Japan. P/N 4133. 18mm inside with lots of fine teeth. Call Rusty, he's The Man. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. At 10:14 AM 10/14/2009, you wrote: One more question. Rusty doesn't have the special socket - he suggested Assenbachertool but the only one I saw there was a 22mm MB Injector tool - it looks like a hex socket - my memory of the DVs is it having a bunch of teeth around it so a matching socket would be needed. The car is not here so I can't go look - Any idea where I might find/rent this socket? Is it a 22mm socket? ($33 above) Thanks! Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change
Re: [MBZ] 3.5 Rods
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:18:05 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Im planning on keeping it, but who knows. Looks like close to $1200 if I decide to replace all of them with new. Then I have to look at do I replace the bearings also, then do I look at do I replace the rings. It kind of snowballs, doesn't it? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 3.5 Rods
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:19:23 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: That is the question. I guess it would stand to reason if they are the old style, even if not bent now could possibly bend at some point later on. Yup. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
Actually, if you don't replace the copper seals, you usually get one or two that won't re-seal, and then you have running problems. I've replaced two sets so far, but have not replaced the springs. No problems. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - chain saws
Mitch Haley wrote: If you want a new homeowner saw instead of one of those used store return refurbs, then I suggest you go to TSC and drop $200 on a much better Poulan Pro 330, or go to the Stihl dealer and pick up a MS-181, or maybe a Husky 235. Yikes! I meant 435. No point in buying a Husky if the model number starts with 2, may as well buy the Poulan version instead and same some money. (Husky, Poulan, Redmax, and Jonsered are the same company) Curt has a stratified charge Husky that he likes, I think it's a 445. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] CraneMog
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Re: [MBZ] CraneMog
http://i37.tinypic.com/jtw4ti.jpg Interesting that the crane is at the back, and not in the middle (like mine). Guess that makes it a 2-way tipper bed, not a 3-way! Has the skinny center post and a single elbow cylinder, like a 5-tonner rather than my 10-tonner, and the hydraulic hoses are exposed. Nice and shiny, though. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
