I'm sure it can be done with a little surgery , I have a friend that has a
toasted 240D in a W115 chassis and now wants to replace it with a W123 240D
engine. I know the oil filter housing from the W123 will not fit - but can
one transfer the oil filter unit from the broken engine to the new one?
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote:
First and foremost, what are the numbers on the back? There should be a 4
digit - four digit number on there. The first one is the movement ID and
the second is the case ID. Need to know the movement number to help
Sorry Kaleb, I seem to have deleted it.
Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852
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To:
Give him a sedagive???
What a great line from the funniest movie of all time!
Others to jar your memory -
Werewolf? There wolf, there tree.
great knockers! Why thank you doctor.
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I love my '91 also - but I've come to believe the motor mounts ay need to be
replaced every 100K mi or so.
The engine should be silent with no vibration at idle.
re your fuel mileage - Ha! and Honda Camry drivers brag about 28mpg! ;-)
The W124's are awesome cars - from what I've heard, the
you wrote recently the car developed some really nasty noises at around
900 RPM that I
was convinced were due to a loose exhaust bit or
Check the motor mounts, as they collapse the exhaust will contact the
chassis and make a lot of noise..
LarryT 91 300D
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IMO they're not very bright - like having a brake light on one side only...
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The block is completely different, you cant mount the old filter on the
newer block.
Peter Merle wrote:
I'm sure it can be done with a little surgery , I have a friend that has a
toasted 240D in a W115 chassis and now wants to replace it with a W123 240D
engine. I know the oil filter housing
no problem
Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:
Sorry Kaleb, I seem to have deleted it.
Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852
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Sent:
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
The block is completely different, you cant mount the old filter on the
But you should be able to cut the base off the new filter, adapt hose fittings
to it, bolt it to the block, and run a remote filter somewhere
Mitch.
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(Army guys call it PX, we call it BX) in July 1972. Wore it all the time
for about 20+ years; 'got a bit heavy (the watch); 'been in a drawer for
maybe 17 years. 'Pulled it out last night and lightly shook it coupla
BTW, my Seiko is a Bell-matic (alarm). 'Has the original band; same one
shown in Gary's photos.
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Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: question on
Get a late 123 engine and have a rocket ship with the extra 4hp!
-Curt
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:29:14 +0200
From: Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Fitting a 240D W123 engine in to W115
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Eyegore!
Blucher!
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred
On 1/4/2010 7:50 AM, LarryT wrote:
Give him a sedagive???
What a great line from the funniest movie of all time!
Others to jar your memory - Werewolf? There wolf, there tree. great
knockers! Why thank you doctor.
LarryT
My aren't we smug.
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.
1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles.
Wickford, RI
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Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:03 AM
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The closest Lowes to me did not have it. Their selection of Kobalt
tools has gradually been shrinking UNLESS you want to purchase the huges
sets in carrying cases.
-Max
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Checked them, used a 1/2 inch bar and slid it between edge of mount and
frame, and both sides passed that test. Still, I'm tempted to replace
them as well as the rest of the drive train rubber just to see how quiet
she'll get.
That may be a project for a warmer time. Last two mornings we've had
What about the motor mount arms?
I seem to recall that others have had success with a similar operation,
not sure if going from 115 to 123 or vice versa. Google is your
friend...
-Max
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But would resistance change from start to start? I guess it could if
temperature sensitive, and this problem does seem to be temperature
related. Worth looking into, thanks for the idea!
-Max
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Yesterday morning at 14F I fired my OM602 off with only one glow-barely
turned a revolution. Different from the other OM 616 I had which I would
double glow in the teens and sometimes triple glow when the single digits
arrived. I do have block heater on the 300D (OM 602) but don't use it or
need
He should put a om617.95x in it.
On 01/04/2010 12:45 PM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
wrote:
What about the motor mount arms?
I seem to recall that others have had success with a similar operation,
not sure if going from 115 to 123 or vice versa. Google is your
friend...
don't try this with rolex or other similar cheap watch!
i've owned nearly every major make of watch in the world, but seiko has
spent more time on my wrist than any other.
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:45 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
I have a Seiko that I purchased at the Anderson AFB, Guam,
Dwight wrote: The sticker for my 1990 300D 2.5 t says $39,9xx. I bought it
used but was surprised at the sticker price-esp. when I ran the same kind of
inflation analysis that OK Don did.. I think all the factors you identify
might be contributors in part-but I personally think you have to
Kaleb wrote: I sure miss that car.
Well, I really miss the 90 300D I sold OK Don AND it was a better car than this
92. It had fewer miles and didn't burn oil!
Donald H. Snook
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Stopped at Car Quest and got a new alternator belt today. The guy there amazed
me when I explained that there were two lengths You need the longer one. Uhh,
yeah.
Replacement is easy except I had a helluva time getting the PS pump belt out of
the way, I guess I don't really understand how the
And I never intend to sell mine. These testimonies are reinforcing my own
assessment of that car.
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.
1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles.
Wickford, RI
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Way to go , Curt. As you now, that alternator belt will need frequent
tightening -I think we have discussed the squeal feature before.
Dwight
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.
1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles.
Wickford, RI
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I've never found a temp yet that my 601 won't start at. Might find out this
winter...
I used to fart around with double glow in the 240D, lately I've been just
glowing and waiting another 20 seconds or so after the light goes out, then
crank until it starts which so far it always does even
Thanks for reminding everyone of this, Curt... the light is only a suggested
glow time. The glow continues for much longer after the light goes out.
You can hear when the glow stops... the relay goes clunk!. My normal cold
starting procedure for a OM616 or 617 is to glow until the relay clunks
In another post I sent an attachment and a what is this query. Its 9k too big
(49k vs Kaleb's 40k limit) so it maybe hasn't come through yet.
But anyway, heres the little devil on eBay. http://tinyurl.com/y8glkf9 Oil
breather tank
I'd forgotten that the thing sits right over a pipe down into
Yup - both of trhem are fine cars! I think the 92 actually leaks more oil
than it burns - from the front crankshaft seal, and perhaps the injection
pump o-ring. The rest of the engine is dry and clean.
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote:
Kaleb wrote: I sure miss
I've stopped worrying about the temperature since I started driving 60x
engines and running M1 -- they just start regardless of the temp -- at least
down to 0. One glow, and off you go.
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for reminding everyone of
You have bad glow plugs or something else wrong -- my 87 300D fires
up with 2 seconds of cranking (or less) at 6F after waiting for the
glow plug light to go out, then another 5-10 sec. Fires on all six,
too.
If your GP lamp isn't coming on or is flashing, you have at least one
and
That is a vortex oil separator, and yes, it removes oil mist from the
blowby and returns it to the pan.
Two failures: The seal in the pipe and the foot valve -- if the
valve sticks or the blowby pipe is clogged up, oil will spill out and
make a mess.
I believe there is also a seal
yea, they suckered in a few people I guess.
Donald Snook wrote:
Dwight wrote: The sticker for my 1990 300D 2.5 t says $39,9xx. I bought it used but
was surprised at the sticker price-esp. when I ran the same kind of inflation analysis
that OK Don did.. I think all the factors you identify
well at 300 whatever K, you cant blame it for burning a little oil.
Heck, it might be leaking more than burning, I cant remember if it was
leaking anything when I had it.
Donald Snook wrote:
Kaleb wrote: I sure miss that car.
Well, I really miss the 90 300D I sold OK Don AND it was a
when you have a 2.5, NEVER sell it unless you get a better 2.5.
Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:
And I never intend to sell mine. These testimonies are reinforcing my own
assessment of that car.
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.
1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles.
Wickford, RI
my process when I had 61x cars that I HAD to start was to turn key on
till light goes off 3 times, on the 3rd time, wait 30 seconds after the
light goes off, then start cranking till it starts. Dont let up because
you probably will not get a 2nd chance.
Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
Thanks for
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Well it needed frequent (like monthly) tightening over the last year but the
belt was b-a-d bad. Had a couple chunks missing even. With the new belt I don't
think it'll be that frequent, it didn't used to be. Of course there was that
period where it was getting a new alternator every 3
Yup crank until you win or crash... I find that if I'm waiting for the relay
I'll never hear it, if I'd only turned the power on to open the window the
thunk will scare the bejezus out of me!
Having the valves set recently helps too as does running the car hard so its
not all carboned up. Some
Do the develop cracks? I think I'm going to tape a paper towel around mine and
drive around a little and see if I can tell if its leaking from the effect on
the paper towel...
-Curt
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:34:32 -0600
From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Curt Raymond wrote:
Yup crank until you win or crash...
Didn't somebody cook a starter doing that last month?
Clay?
Mitch.
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Oddly enough, I've determined my alternator needs replacing on the 300D. The
bearing is going out enough that the car barely starts and, unless you keep
your foot in it at idle, it dies and stops fast and hard. I didn't think
that an alternator had enough umph to stop a diesel engine cold.
Bob R
Ditto's, mine just keeps getting better better -
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Sometimes the timer in the GP Relay don't stay on for as long as it should
so the GPs don't heat long enough. The GPs in W123s and W124s should reach
1500F-1700F within 12-17 sec.The relay for my 78 240D didn't stay on
long enough making it hard to start when cold A new relay fixed that.
AMEN.
Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852
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HAHAHA -
I wonder if everyone is getting a kick out of this like we are? Or if they
know what we're talking about? ;-)
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I checked mine per the WSM - not what you did though - and when I removed
the old ones and turned them upside down I saw the rubber was cracked badly.
Maybe the steelbar test is more accurate?
Replacing all the rubber is my plan (slowly) too. I assume there are rubber
mounts for the tranny
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If you cook a starting doing this, the starter needed replacement anyway.
Its a good idea to replace an iffy starter before winter sets in. I just
did this with my 300D. (Laying on the ground when it was 25 degrees out... I
waited a bit too long). Car turns over much better now in ~20 degree
One or the tranny, two for the bracket that supports the exhaust pipe.
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:37 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:
I assume there are rubber mounts for the tranny also? Time to visit MB
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LarryT, et al.
Walk this way
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On 1/4/2010 8:32 PM, LarryT wrote:
HAHAHA -
I wonder if everyone is getting a kick out of this like we are? Or if
they know what we're talking about? ;-)
LarryT
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I think it might be an '83 only thing on the 240D. I don't have any pics of an
'82 to compare it to but did find an '81 on eBay that didn't seem to have it.
-Curt
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 20:35:20 -0500
From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr degco...@cox.net
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
I realize I have a picture of my '82 under the hood:
http://images.jaimekop.com/2001_08_20_240DEngine/engine3.jpg
Jaime
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
I think it might be an '83 only thing on the 240D. I don't have any pics of
an '82 to compare it to
http://www.asb.tv/videos/view.php?v=1bf99434br=500
What a great story - perhaps a little over wrought - but great.
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It was on the 82-83
Curt Raymond wrote:
I think it might be an '83 only thing on the 240D. I don't have any pics of an
'82 to compare it to but did find an '81 on eBay that didn't seem to have it.
-Curt
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Thanks, Don!
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Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:35 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT - Mustang reunion story
http://www.asb.tv/videos/view.php?v=1bf99434br=500
What a great story - perhaps
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 20:46:27 -0500 Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com
wrote:
Thats an oil separator. It filters the oil from the ventilation off the
valve cover and drains in back into the oil pan, if I remember
correctly.
You remember correctly.
Craig
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:46:32 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond
curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
Yup crank until you win or crash... I find that if I'm waiting for the
relay I'll never hear it ...
Leave the door ajar so the interior light is on. When the glow plug relay
drops out, the interior light will get
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 20:35:40 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.asb.tv/videos/view.php?v=1bf99434br=500
What a great story - perhaps a little over wrought - but great.
My browser brings up the page, but no video. How do I view it?
Craig
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For giggles, I just tried starting the 240D with -5F temps outside, and -15F
when I woke up this morning. The block heater has been plugged in non-stop
for at least the last week and the car was driven on Christmas day. 60
seconds preglow, cranked a while (did NOT crank until the battery
i like my local carquest guy. he's an old time parts guy and can get lots
of nice stuff fast and cheap. his store supplies many of the shops on the
main drag between stone mountain and snellville and he is the only guy in
teh area i can deal with.
the big chains aer completely lost. i walked
When I was in college, I bought a 66 bronco and put a blade on it.
For lights while plowing, I had two cheap fog lights mounted on a bar
on top. I took one of the bulbs out and went shopping at NAPA.
Seems as there is a size of aircraft landing light that is the same
size (4 round) A pair of
The indy scared me about this job. He said it is too delicate for him
to do, but I suspect it is more that Gump is a heap and he is not
interested in keeping her on the road. He agreed to do the job anyway.
I have done enough of these sorts of simple jobs that end up
screwing the car
Peter, I did not make that transplant, but I did make a 616
transplant in place of an OM621. The block castings have some major
differences. I suspect the oil filter mount in the 615 is the same
as the 621. What I had to do was to make a plate for the block, and
a plate for the oil filter
You have to make a pate for both the block and the oil filter
housing, then you can moiunt the filter remote. It is never as good
as having the right blok, because there is always a danger of the
hose being worn through, caught , or leaking from age and causing a
catastrophic failure.
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