Re: [MBZ] SWMBA drops Cleo
I had to drive a Jetta and a betle as loaner a couple of years ago. Compared to a W210, they seemed like rattletraps on the highway... Light, tinny, and with blindspots you could lose a convoy (or at least a semi) in. -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Feb 15, 2010, at 2:26, Redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Have been drug out to the car dealers since Gump is on injured reserve. SWMBA wants a reliable back up car she is willing to drive. Turns out that is Cleo, the E300D, and I have to sell cars. Spent a few weekends out on test drives. I thought the 2008 CDI would have been great. She was not interested in the $48k price. She got very serious about the TDI jetta wagon. 47+ MPG highway. A bit cramped and premium price for diesels. This weekend it was Toyota and Honda. Nothing really jumps out from either marque. Basic econobox bubbles. She wants a nice car. I needed to find one able to fit an old man and two teen boys. Youngest prone to motion sickness. I got back seat duty checking legroom and propensity for jiggle and jostle. Hard to find a car now in her price area that is not as smooth as a paint mixer. And the build quality or choice of materials is pretty lackluster compared to the Benz. She tried an 08 Accord. It was on special for the weekend sale. It was pretty loaded, but very riced out. Spoiler, ricer wheels, leather was not cared for, plastic had been scuffed. Heavy use of the Smoker B Gone spray to mask the cigarette residue. And the carpet and trunk liner where just crap compared to what was used in the 95 civic she used to own. Even her 87 Acura was really nice in comparison. This thing was certified but rode like a buckboard. Sales boy said Honda builds them like that so you can feel the road. I figured that a few miles in the back of that thing and kid would have lost his lunch. At that point, I just figure she needed anything that was going to roll and meet her price point. Off to Huyndai for a ride in what could not be any worse than what Honda and Toyota had to offer in build materials. She looked at the Sonata. Drove it and was happy, but the ride is vomit inducing from the back seat. Used car, but not worth having to worry about the technicolor rainbows as you drove. I said to look at the Genesis. She was not going to spend that much on that quality of a marque. SWMBA wandered around and I pointed the sales guy at the Azera. He found one that had been used as Demo and was selling as new with all the warranty and such. She liked it enough to make the poor sales people dance around while we just looked at them from the other side of the desk and muttered when they made offers. She made them go up the line to the store manager to get the most screaming deal they would be willing to make. They included the first 50k miles of service free, increased the warranty to 120 months/100k miles bumper to bumper and came in under $20K. I now have to prep the E300D for back up use, and she is driving this boat. Sort of craptacular, but no worse than a Government Motors or other mid size sedan on the market in that price range. Will be worth nothing in 10 years, but she will be happy until then. And I still get to drive Gump. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Kleb can go nationwide with this
http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1601354458.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Car Detailing update
Craig wrote: Did you do it all by hand, or did you use some sort of machine? I did everything by hand, except I applied the cleaner wax with a random orbital - the cheapo kind, not the super duper porter wagner high speed version. Just the Wal Mart polisher thing. I removed the wax by hand. The only thing that was difficult was the clay. There was a lot of overspray and it took a lot of time to remove it all. I did discover that rather than trying to scrub the paint with a lot of pressure, it actually worked better to use a pretty light touch. If something doesn't come off the first time, just keep doing it. Worked great! My arms/back/hands were pretty sore that night. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Car Detailing update
Dan wrote: To clay a car you'll have to do it by hand, but everything else you can do with a good buffer. I can do a complete compounding, wax and buff of the Crown Vic in a couple of hours using a buffer. A big time (and back) saver. I wish I had a real buffer and I really wish I had the skills to use one. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Someone Needs This
Rick provided the following link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260551087963viewitem=_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26its%3DI%26otn%3D2category=6336 Boy, that is really nice! I would like to have that car. I wonder what cylinder head reconditioning means? What is Impala Metallic? Is he talking about the Chevy Impala? Anyone want to buy a nice Expedition and I can get this one. Nice car! Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SWMBA drops Cleo
Clay wrote: I now have to prep the E300D for back up use, and she is driving this boat. Are you going to sell the '95? Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Someone Needs This
*Colossus Trading LLC is a dealership Scary. --R * Donald Snook wrote: Rick provided the following link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260551087963viewitem=_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26its%3DI%26otn%3D2category=6336 Boy, that is really nice! I would like to have that car. I wonder what cylinder head reconditioning means? What is Impala Metallic? Is he talking about the Chevy Impala? Anyone want to buy a nice Expedition and I can get this one. Nice car! Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Car Detailing update
On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:45:33 -0800 (PST) LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: To clay a car you'll have to do it by hand, but everything else you can do with a good buffer. I can do a complete compounding, wax and buff of the Crown Vic in a couple of hours using a buffer. A big time (and back) saver. What kind of buffer do you use, Dan? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Best W123?
The more collisions (no such thing as an accident...someone is always at fault said my old driver's ed teacher years ago) I see around here the more I really want to keep driving a W123. Sosince 1985 was the last year of the W123, I can asume an '85 300D turbo, low miles, well maintained is the way to go, correct? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
I would vote for an 83 240D with manual transmisssion, manual windows and manual sunroof. Fewer things to break. Will go forever if well cared for. --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] Best W123? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 10:33 AM The more collisions (no such thing as an accident...someone is always at fault said my old driver's ed teacher years ago) I see around here the more I really want to keep driving a W123. Sosince 1985 was the last year of the W123, I can asume an '85 300D turbo, low miles, well maintained is the way to go, correct? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
I don't know that there's much difference between the last few years... manufacturers are usually done tweaking by then and just looking to milk some easy income out of the last few years of production. With any car that old it's going to be much more about the condition of the particular car rather than whether it's an '83 or an '85. Allan On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:33 -0700, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The more collisions (no such thing as an accident...someone is always at fault said my old driver's ed teacher years ago) I see around here the more I really want to keep driving a W123. Sosince 1985 was the last year of the W123, I can asume an '85 300D turbo, low miles, well maintained is the way to go, correct? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] website parts
204 820 11 45 is a set, we sell for $38.00 Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: relng...@aol.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] website parts The web site is driven by one vendor, I have access to everything. If you don't see it on the web just call. We have it This week I decided I finally needed a pair of wiper blades for my '08 W204. But, no joy. None of the blades shown are for a W204. So I went to the dealer and after 5 minutes or so of CPR, I got up and paid the bill. Almost laughable. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
Doesn't the 85 have a different torque converter-crankshaft that makes it incompatible with the earlier cars? I'd avoid that one year if you're looking for a long term keeper. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I don't know that there's much difference between the last few years... manufacturers are usually done tweaking by then and just looking to milk some easy income out of the last few years of production. With any car that old it's going to be much more about the condition of the particular car rather than whether it's an '83 or an '85. Allan -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
I think I remember that. Bob R On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:10 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Doesn't the 85 have a different torque converter-crankshaft that makes it incompatible with the earlier cars? I'd avoid that one year if you're looking for a long term keeper. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I don't know that there's much difference between the last few years... manufacturers are usually done tweaking by then and just looking to milk some easy income out of the last few years of production. With any car that old it's going to be much more about the condition of the particular car rather than whether it's an '83 or an '85. Allan -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Car Detailing update
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 1:45 PM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: To clay a car you'll have to do it by hand, but everything else you can do with a good buffer. I can do a complete compounding, wax and buff of the Crown Vic in a couple of hours using a buffer. Grioit's Garage sells a gadget to let you apply clay with a power buffer: http://tinyurl.com/yazftza Does that seem like a good idea, O Mercedes Martha Stewartl? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
Like this one? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/240D-4SPD-MANUAL-96K-ORIG-MILES-NEAR-SHOWROOM-COND_W0QQitemZ220554246719QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item335a0eba3f Bob R On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote: I would vote for an 83 240D with manual transmisssion, manual windows and manual sunroof. Fewer things to break. Will go forever if well cared for. --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] Best W123? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 10:33 AM The more collisions (no such thing as an accident...someone is always at fault said my old driver's ed teacher years ago) I see around here the more I really want to keep driving a W123. Sosince 1985 was the last year of the W123, I can asume an '85 300D turbo, low miles, well maintained is the way to go, correct? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
Nah-here's a better one-more crack- http://providence.craigslist.org/cto/1600672553.html It was only $9875 when he listed it on the weekend-now has raised price. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. (will sell for 10K USD) 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Bob Rentfro Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:32 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best W123? Like this one? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/240D-4SPD-MANUAL-96K-ORIG-MILES-NEAR-SHOWROOM -COND_W0QQitemZ220554246719QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item335a0e ba3f Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
I've been following this guy selling these cars for a while now, and even met him once. He definitely stretches the condition of the cars in his description, and modifies to photos to the point that its very distracting. Its definitely a case of a well-designed auction on eBay causing a car to sell for far more than usual. I think he has some connection in the south to buy cars cheap and resell them them in the north where they're worth more. Jaime On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: Like this one? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/240D-4SPD-MANUAL-96K-ORIG-MILES-NEAR-SHOWROOM-COND_W0QQitemZ220554246719QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item335a0eba3f Bob R On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: I would vote for an 83 240D with manual transmisssion, manual windows and manual sunroof. Fewer things to break. Will go forever if well cared for. --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] Best W123? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 10:33 AM The more collisions (no such thing as an accident...someone is always at fault said my old driver's ed teacher years ago) I see around here the more I really want to keep driving a W123. Sosince 1985 was the last year of the W123, I can asume an '85 300D turbo, low miles, well maintained is the way to go, correct? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SWMBA drops Cleo
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 11:26 PM, Redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: SWMBA wandered around and I pointed the sales guy at the Azera. He found one that had been used as Demo and was selling as new with all the warranty and such. She liked it enough to make the poor sales people dance around while we just looked at them from the other side of the desk and muttered when they made offers. How can she go from a W124 to an Azera? It and its Kia sister the Amanti are among the wallowiest, most crummily suspended FWD cars ever. An order of magnitude worse than the big GM boats with the 3.8 V6 that Hursty is always pushing. Excellent materials and interior build quality, though, at least in the one I sat in at a new-car show a few years ago (it may have been handpicked, though.) Just as good as Lexus and better than Mercedes, I remember thinking. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
I don't think this means the '85s should be avoided... it should be sought after! These changes were improvements, and enough of these cars were sold that parts will be available for quite some time. The 1985 300D has been, and will continue to be the more desirable of US Spec W123s. They do drive a bit differently than earlier cars. If you prefer the simplistic 240D, thats really a personal choice. The extra gadgets in a 300D are quite reliable, if you're willing to service and rebuild them every 10-20 years. They get a bad reputation due to people not willing to repair them properly, or not understanding how to repair them in the first place. Jaime On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:10 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Doesn't the 85 have a different torque converter-crankshaft that makes it incompatible with the earlier cars? I'd avoid that one year if you're looking for a long term keeper. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I don't know that there's much difference between the last few years... manufacturers are usually done tweaking by then and just looking to milk some easy income out of the last few years of production. With any car that old it's going to be much more about the condition of the particular car rather than whether it's an '83 or an '85. Allan -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
Sharp! Electric sunroof but they'll last fine if you keep 'em lubed and you can always convert to manual later if need be. '83 is the most powerful of the 240Ds (I can't remember when they got the power bump, '82 maybe) so you get the full 72hp. 28mpg reliable if my '83 is any indication. Best I've done is 33 on a long highway run, I think 35 might be achievable if you left the spare tire and backseat at home and drove 60mph all day without stopping. ;) Considering you live in an AC required area I might suggest a 300D turbo. I expect the extra power for the AC would be welcome although it all depends on your power requirements. I don't mind the gentleness of the 240D but consider my FiL who just went up to a v8 4wd Dakota because his I4 Nissan Frontier 2wd was too slow. He has no idea what a slow vehicle is... -Curt Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:31:41 -0700 From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best W123? Message-ID: 2479e1691002150831n594747fqce783c102fd1d...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Like this one? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/240D-4SPD-MANUAL-96K-ORIG-MILES-NEAR-SHOWROOM-COND_W0QQitemZ220554246719QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item335a0eba3f Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: I've been following this guy selling these cars for a while now, and even met him once. He definitely stretches the condition of the cars in his description, and modifies to photos to the point that its very distracting. Modifies his photos, as in he Photoshops out dents and suchlike? Never occured to me that anyone would do such a thing. That's low. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
This could be a good deal: http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/1600175245.html It could very well be a rusty turd too... Dwight is trying to turn me into Kaleb of the east. I should go look at it, its not far off my commute. We'll see what the latest storm of the century turns into. -Curt Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:47:39 -0500 From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr degco...@cox.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best W123? Message-ID: 008301caae5e$95e1c300$c1a549...@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Nah-here's a better one-more crack- http://providence.craigslist.org/cto/1600672553.html It was only $9875 when he listed it on the weekend-now has raised price. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.? (will sell for 10K USD) 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Bob Rentfro Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:32 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best W123? Like this one? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/240D-4SPD-MANUAL-96K-ORIG-MILES-NEAR-SHOWROOM -COND_W0QQitemZ220554246719QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item335a0e ba3f Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
I don't think he goes that far, but he applies filters that make seeing minor details difficult. You can see the photos are quite high in contrast and saturation, and have a general artificial quality. Jaime On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: I've been following this guy selling these cars for a while now, and even met him once. He definitely stretches the condition of the cars in his description, and modifies to photos to the point that its very distracting. Modifies his photos, as in he Photoshops out dents and suchlike? Never occured to me that anyone would do such a thing. That's low. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kleb can go nationwide with this
Don't buy it!~ 6.0 P'Coke is POS compared to 7.3. This one guy is bailing out. Want to work on the turbo, remove cab! -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:07:00 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [MBZ] Kleb can go nationwide with this http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1601354458.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
The cranking mechanism on the manual window cranks go also, are more of a PITA to repair/replace, and are more expensive/harder to find than the parts for electric windows. I've BTDT. Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dimitri Seretakis Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 7:40 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best W123? I would vote for an 83 240D with manual transmisssion, manual windows and manual sunroof. Fewer things to break. Will go forever if well cared for. --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] Best W123? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 10:33 AM The more collisions (no such thing as an accident...someone is always at fault said my old driver's ed teacher years ago) I see around here the more I really want to keep driving a W123. Sosince 1985 was the last year of the W123, I can asume an '85 300D turbo, low miles, well maintained is the way to go, correct? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
hi Bob! as someone who has an '85 300D, i can tell you that we've found a number of things that are different about that year; off the top of my head, the injection pump, the transmission (and some related parts), the rear dif,... and then there's the whole issue related to whether the '85 you're talking about is a California model (that was made with the Particulate Trap and resulting different intake and exhaust manifolds, air filer, etc.,..) or the Federal model. some of these things are thought of as improvements, while they seem to drive other people downright batty. which way you view them is probably a personal thing, but just be aware that there *are* differences with the '85 you'll have to deal with every time you go looking for parts or service. cheers! e Bob Rentfro wrote: The more collisions (no such thing as an accident...someone is always at fault said my old driver's ed teacher years ago) I see around here the more I really want to keep driving a W123. Sosince 1985 was the last year of the W123, I can asume an '85 300D turbo, low miles, well maintained is the way to go, correct? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
Hmm-I have fixed manual cranks on two of them-weren't hard to find-Rusty ca 60 or 70. Don't know about harder than electric as I have never done any electric ones. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Greg Fiorentino Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 12:33 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best W123? The cranking mechanism on the manual window cranks go also, are more of a PITA to repair/replace, and are more expensive/harder to find than the parts for electric windows. I've BTDT. Greg -Original Message- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SWMBA drops Cleo
pretty nice looking vehicle.10/100,000 warranty is nice. Mike On Feb 15, 2010, at 2:26 AM, Redghost wrote: Azera ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
Even better - no sunroof. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best W123? I would vote for an 83 240D with manual transmisssion, manual windows and manual sunroof. Fewer things to break. Will go forever if well cared for. --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] Best W123? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 10:33 AM The more collisions (no such thing as an accident...someone is always at fault said my old driver's ed teacher years ago) I see around here the more I really want to keep driving a W123. Sosince 1985 was the last year of the W123, I can asume an '85 300D turbo, low miles, well maintained is the way to go, correct? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
That car is pretty nice but near showroom is a far cry from the truth. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: Like this one? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/240D-4SPD-MANUAL-96K-ORIG-MILES-NEAR-SHOWROOM-COND_W0QQitemZ220554246719QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item335a0eba3f Bob R On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote: I would vote for an 83 240D with manual transmisssion, manual windows and manual sunroof. Fewer things to break. Will go forever if well cared for. --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] Best W123? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 10:33 AM The more collisions (no such thing as an accident...someone is always at fault said my old driver's ed teacher years ago) I see around here the more I really want to keep driving a W123. Sosince 1985 was the last year of the W123, I can asume an '85 300D turbo, low miles, well maintained is the way to go, correct? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kleb can go nationwide with this
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:07 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1601354458.html What's the use of an 8 foot bed? That's not even long enough for a W201. Maybe if you were starting a business transporting BMW Isettas. You'd still nee a crane to get them up there, though. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
Damn!! 'Even makes MY mouth water. One of you guys better snap this up. Wilton - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best W123? Like this one? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/240D-4SPD-MANUAL-96K-ORIG-MILES-NEAR-SHOWROOM-COND_W0QQitemZ220554246719QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item335a0eba3f Bob R On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote: I would vote for an 83 240D with manual transmisssion, manual windows and manual sunroof. Fewer things to break. Will go forever if well cared for. --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] Best W123? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 10:33 AM The more collisions (no such thing as an accident...someone is always at fault said my old driver's ed teacher years ago) I see around here the more I really want to keep driving a W123. Sosince 1985 was the last year of the W123, I can asume an '85 300D turbo, low miles, well maintained is the way to go, correct? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
I think for $6550 (and reserve not yet met at that price) you can do a lot better. Allan On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:30 -0500, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Damn!! 'Even makes MY mouth water. One of you guys better snap this up. Wilton - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best W123? Like this one? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/240D-4SPD-MANUAL-96K-ORIG-MILES-NEAR-SHOWROOM-COND_W0QQitemZ220554246719QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item335a0eba3f Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:35 -0800, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: hi Bob! as someone who has an '85 300D, i can tell you that we've found a number of things that are different about that year; off the top of my head, the injection pump, the transmission (and some related parts), the rear dif,... and then there's the whole issue related to whether the '85 you're talking about is a California model (that was made with the Particulate Trap and resulting different intake and exhaust manifolds, air filer, etc.,..) or the Federal model. I guess I stand corrected. I would not have expected many changes in the last year of production, just from an economics standpoint it doesn't make a lot of sense. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
You really don't like them -I think you have commented on them before. . When I lived in the south it seemed as if was always too hot to use one-now up north I use mine more often, but it Is not a necessity. My 240D doesnt have one and the electric one on my other 240D never worked and I never tried to fix it. My wife just bought a convertible-it's OK but I am not keen on it. I think I like the tilt feature of my 124 sunroof the best. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 1:23 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best W123? Even better - no sunroof. Wilton - Original Message - nz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tranny problem
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Did they still make sticky B2 pistons in 1992? If you believe some of the posters on the P**chP*rts forums, there are all kinds of problems with the 722.4 in the W124 diesels that can be fixed by a rebuild and installation of a shift kit. Of course, it's best to get those internal transmission issues out of the way BEFORE you adjust your accelerator linkage to factory specs and correct any vacuum issues. Morons. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr degco...@cox.net wrote: You really don't like them -I think you have commented on them before. . Yeah, Wilton's take is why take a perfectly good car with a nice solid roof and cut a hole in the top which might leak or jam open?---which is a good point. On the other hand (though I realize anecdotal evidence is worth about as far as you can throw it) I have owned, at last count, eight European and Japanese cars with sunroofs in the past 20 years, only one of which has broken or leaked (the POS 300E, which is to be expected). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] '85 190E stick?
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ctd/1601876721.html This is interesting. Gotta get pretty darn good mileage with the 5-speed. I'm assuming this is a four---or did they pair the six with a stick in '85? What's the 2.3-liter four like, anyway? Any particular trouble areas? Is it like an M103 with two cylinders cut off, or a different design entirely? And since when did W201s come with bundts? Are those original or did someone put 123 or 126 wheels on there? IIRC if you put 123/126 wheels on a 201 or 124 they stick way out because the offset is higher. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SWMBA drops Cleo
I have to get it back into condition to sit on the curb. Since she is in it all the time, I had little opportunity to sideline it for enough time to do basic care. Now I can. Not likely to go on the block. She wants to be able to use it while the new thing goes to dealer for service. I have to lose the van and make more room in the garage by deleting parts and reserve pieces. The older boy may need to use it as well. She thinks it will be good for him sophomore year at college. They are not allowed to have a ride freshman year. Told her Marines would not let him have the car for a few months anyway. clay On Feb 15, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Donald Snook wrote: Clay wrote: I now have to prep the E300D for back up use, and she is driving this boat. Are you going to sell the '95? Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SWMBA drops Cleo
She is practical and just does not have a passionate bone in her body about material things. I think she had a need for new car once in her life and this fit her penny pinching needs. It is stable enough to drive, had some bells and whistles. Not a Benz by a long shot in any quality or form. It gets her from point A to B. Reliable and the dealer will do the shop work. I am not going to touch the thing. Uses 87 octane and dino, so she saves cash that way. The mileage is suck, but I guess you trade off. There is a diesel engine for it. I just have to source it from Australia. Drop that baby in five years from now. I had pointed out that the kids are getting larger every day, and I am getting less willing to bend myself into pretzel to sit in a car with her. So she gets a car that will allow legs to not clot up while on long rides. clay On Feb 15, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 11:26 PM, Redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: SWMBA wandered around and I pointed the sales guy at the Azera. He found one that had been used as Demo and was selling as new with all the warranty and such. She liked it enough to make the poor sales people dance around while we just looked at them from the other side of the desk and muttered when they made offers. How can she go from a W124 to an Azera? It and its Kia sister the Amanti are among the wallowiest, most crummily suspended FWD cars ever. An order of magnitude worse than the big GM boats with the 3.8 V6 that Hursty is always pushing. Excellent materials and interior build quality, though, at least in the one I sat in at a new-car show a few years ago (it may have been handpicked, though.) Just as good as Lexus and better than Mercedes, I remember thinking. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SWMBA drops Cleo
I am betting the dealer will be unhappy with the deal in five years when the thing is worth nothing and they are still providing service on their dime and she still drives it until it is out of warranty. clay On Feb 15, 2010, at 9:52 AM, Michael Esh wrote: pretty nice looking vehicle.10/100,000 warranty is nice. Mike On Feb 15, 2010, at 2:26 AM, Redghost wrote: Azera ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
*ice cold air conditioning --R * Bob Rentfro wrote: Like this one? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/240D-4SPD-MANUAL-96K-ORIG-MILES-NEAR-SHOWROOM-COND_W0QQitemZ220554246719QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item335a0eba3f Bob R On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote: I would vote for an 83 240D with manual transmisssion, manual windows and manual sunroof. Fewer things to break. Will go forever if well cared for. --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] Best W123? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 10:33 AM The more collisions (no such thing as an accident...someone is always at fault said my old driver's ed teacher years ago) I see around here the more I really want to keep driving a W123. Sosince 1985 was the last year of the W123, I can asume an '85 300D turbo, low miles, well maintained is the way to go, correct? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '85 190E stick?
I don't know anything about the car, but did find this in the technical data book: 190E 2.3, 201 .028, 102.985 engine, the tranny is 717.412, Engine has 9:1 compressioin ratio, 6k rpm max., 136 hp @ 5100 rpm, 151 lb./ft. torque @ 3500 rpm, premuim fuel. rear axle is 3.27:1, 0-62 mph in 10.6 sec., top speed is 122.4 mph, curb weight is 2690 lb. Fueleconomy.gov says 17 mpg. city and 24 mpg hwy. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ctd/1601876721.html This is interesting. Gotta get pretty darn good mileage with the 5-speed. I'm assuming this is a four---or did they pair the six with a stick in '85? What's the 2.3-liter four like, anyway? Any particular trouble areas? Is it like an M103 with two cylinders cut off, or a different design entirely? And since when did W201s come with bundts? Are those original or did someone put 123 or 126 wheels on there? IIRC if you put 123/126 wheels on a 201 or 124 they stick way out because the offset is higher. Alex -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SWMBA drops Cleo
I told my kid the same thing about her Hundi , she's driven it 160Kmi, one timing belt -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: Redghost redghost @comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes @ okiebenz .com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 2:32:27 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [ MBZ ] SWMBA drops Cleo I am betting the dealer will be unhappy with the deal in five years when the thing is worth nothing and they are still providing service on their dime and she still drives it until it is out of warranty. clay On Feb 15, 2010, at 9:52 AM, Michael Esh wrote: pretty nice looking vehicle. 10/100,000 warranty is nice. Mike On Feb 15, 2010, at 2:26 AM, Redghost wrote: Azera ___ http :// www . okiebenz .com For new and used parts go to www . okiebenz .com To search list archives http :// www . okiebenz .com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http :// okiebenz .com/mailman/ listinfo / mercedes _ okiebenz .com ___ http :// www . okiebenz .com For new and used parts go to www . okiebenz .com To search list archives http :// www . okiebenz .com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http :// okiebenz .com/mailman/ listinfo / mercedes _ okiebenz .com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '85 190E stick?
Alex Chamberlain wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ctd/1601876721.html This is interesting. Gotta get pretty darn good mileage with the 5-speed. I was right, no 2.6 or 2.5 in 1984/85. Fueleconomy.gov reports: Mercedes-Benz 190 4 cyl, 2.3 L, Manual 5-spd, (FFS), Regular 17city 24hwyWindow sticker was 19city 27hwy (FFS means feedback fuel system, not flexible fuel system) Regular unleaded was a surprise to me, that's equal to a couple extra mpg in fuel savings over premium. You'd probably see 25-30 on a long trip. 16v gets about 25 with lower gearing. And since when did W201s come with bundts? Not bundts, mesh, like all those BBS wheels that were popular in the 1980s. And definitely aftermarket. (blow up the pics for a closer look) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
What manual crank? The manual sunroof in the '81 240D we had only had a latch that you twisted 180 degrees, then pushed it back and forth --- On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.netwrote: The cranking mechanism on the manual window cranks go also, are more of a PITA to repair/replace, and are more expensive/harder to find than the parts for electric windows. I've BTDT. Greg -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
I think the best 123 is a 124 -- just my personal opinion -- after the 124, there wasn't anything about the 123's that I liked better. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote: I don't think this means the '85s should be avoided... it should be sought after! These changes were improvements, and enough of these cars were sold that parts will be available for quite some time. The 1985 300D has been, and will continue to be the more desirable of US Spec W123s. They do drive a bit differently than earlier cars. If you prefer the simplistic 240D, thats really a personal choice. The extra gadgets in a 300D are quite reliable, if you're willing to service and rebuild them every 10-20 years. They get a bad reputation due to people not willing to repair them properly, or not understanding how to repair them in the first place. Jaime -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 204 wiper blades
204 820 11 45 is a set, we sell for $38.00.. Which is not on your website. And the dealer sells the genune article by the each. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] early 190E
don't know anything about the car, but did find this in the technical data book: 190E 2.3, 201 .028, 102.985 engine, the tranny is 717.412, Engine has 9:1 compressioin ratio, 6k rpm max., 136 hp @ 5100 rpm, 151 lb./ft. torque @ 3500 rpm, premuim fuel. rear axle is 3.27:1, 0-62 mph in 10.6 sec., top speed is 122.4 mph, curb weight is 2690 lb. Fueleconomy.gov says 17 mpg. city and 24 mpg hwy. I bought one of these things new and even the dealer agreed that it was one on the least reliable cars MB ever built. You name it, the warranty replaced it. But, these are just another old banger now and should be as reliable as anything else of the same age since most parts have been changed. Fuel mileage is closer to 20/28. My 89 190E 2.6 was vastly better but of course wasn't a patch on my '08. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '85 190E stick?
Early W201s were fitted with Bunts, at least for the European market. Jaime On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ctd/1601876721.html This is interesting. Gotta get pretty darn good mileage with the 5-speed. I was right, no 2.6 or 2.5 in 1984/85. Fueleconomy.gov reports: Mercedes-Benz 190 4 cyl, 2.3 L, Manual 5-spd, (FFS), Regular 17city 24hwyWindow sticker was 19city 27hwy (FFS means feedback fuel system, not flexible fuel system) Regular unleaded was a surprise to me, that's equal to a couple extra mpg in fuel savings over premium. You'd probably see 25-30 on a long trip. 16v gets about 25 with lower gearing. And since when did W201s come with bundts? Not bundts, mesh, like all those BBS wheels that were popular in the 1980s. And definitely aftermarket. (blow up the pics for a closer look) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Car for Ed Booher
Once again I thank you for thinking of me, Clay. EdB On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/1585927609.html Price you can afford. Might even get it home on the road without a tow -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- I've come to your planet on a Class IV Intergalactic Doom Freighter. - Adrian Monk ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Boring Cars! was re: Best W123?
Ok Don wrote: I think the best 123 is a 124 -- just my personal opinion -- after the 124, there wasn't anything about the 123's that I liked better. I agree. The 124, starting in about 1990, seem SO DIFFERENT than a 123. It's like it is a whole new generation of car. You can tell they are made by the same company, but they are VERY different. Of course, I feel that way about the newer MB's also. I remember when I had a 1996 Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera. I bought it when I moved to Kansas for law school. I had just left the dealership and this was a customer's car with really low miles. I think it was 40,000 or so. I knew it was a boring car, but I wanted something to get me through law school without any drama. The funny thing was the 96 was the last year for the Ciera and they had been making the car since the early 80's. BUT, it was really just like the old ones. It had some improvements, fule injection instead of carbs, better transmissions, etc. But, in general it was basically the same car as an '82 Ciera. GM (obviously) had a different idea about how to reinvigorate models and how to make improvements than Mercedes did at the time. It took me about 2 years to absolutely hate that car. I never had ANY trouble with it - except the muffler went bad on me. Suddenly. One day it was fine, then the next day it was LOUD. I put almost 50,000 miles on that car. I would routinely drive to Lawrence, Kansas from Topeka on the Turnpike at 95 mph. I abused that poor car. I think I wanted it to break down, so I could get rid of it. It was so boring, it was even gray - not silver, but gray with a gray interior. Boring. This is pretty much what it looked: http://imgs.getauto.com/imgs/ag/ga/81/34/a/1G3AJ55M1S6328134-a.jpg Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
I agree except for looks-esp. rear end of 124 sedan. 123 is so classic looking. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr.(one of each) 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 3:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best W123? I think the best 123 is a 124 -- just my personal opinion -- after the 124, there wasn't anything about the 123's that I liked better. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
True - but the 115 is even better than the 123. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr degco...@cox.netwrote: I agree except for looks-esp. rear end of 124 sedan. 123 is so classic looking. Dwight -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
OK Don typed: True - but the 115 is even better than the 123. Exactly... I've has 115, 123, 201, and now a 211. I've never had a 124. Never even driven one. Maybe I'm selling myself short. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
Agreed even though I never had one. One day for fun, I parked the 123 and 124 side by side lined up -both white. Then I stood back and tired to analyze- really the front of 124 is not too bad with rakish slant-but the rear end goes up and ends abruptly- actually I think a 201 is better proportioned than a 124-but what do I know-I am not a designer. My favorite visually is a w108 or a 170. Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 4:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best W123? True - but the 115 is even better than the 123. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr degco...@cox.netwrote: I agree except for looks-esp. rear end of 124 sedan. 123 is so classic looking. Dwight -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
AhhhI almost forgot about the 108 I had. Bob R On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr degco...@cox.netwrote: Agreed even though I never had one. One day for fun, I parked the 123 and 124 side by side lined up -both white. Then I stood back and tired to analyze- really the front of 124 is not too bad with rakish slant-but the rear end goes up and ends abruptly- actually I think a 201 is better proportioned than a 124-but what do I know-I am not a designer. My favorite visually is a w108 or a 170. Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 4:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best W123? True - but the 115 is even better than the 123. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr degco...@cox.netwrote: I agree except for looks-esp. rear end of 124 sedan. 123 is so classic looking. Dwight -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OM606 Timing Chain Wear Measure
Dieselvolk, I'm trying to measure the timing chain wear on my '95 E300 (OM606). I cannot for the life of me find any marks on the camshaft at the #1 bearing tower. I've made this check on OM617 and OM603 engines, so I know what I'm looking for, but this OM606 has got me stumped. Anyone know the trick? There is a set of marks on the third cam bearing tower and the primary camshaft (two camshafts on this engine, remember), but they are not easily aligned for a precise measurement. When I line them up, it looks like timing chain wear is about 4 degrees. There's also a hole in the gear on the second camshaft, and that hole can be aligned with a hole in the #1 cam bearing tower. When I line that up, I measure about 10 degrees of wear! Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 320k miles '95 E300 274k miles project '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
Anybody besides Fred ever have a 170? Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Bob Rentfro Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 4:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best W123? AhhhI almost forgot about the 108 I had. Bob R On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr degco...@cox.netwrote: ebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '85 190E stick?
Hmm, too bad its on the wrong coast, that could be an adequate replacement for my 240D... -Curt Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:19:53 -0500 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] '85 190E stick? Message-ID: 4b79ac69.1040...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Alex Chamberlain wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ctd/1601876721.html This is interesting. Gotta get pretty darn good mileage with the 5-speed. I was right, no 2.6 or 2.5 in 1984/85. Fueleconomy.gov reports: Mercedes-Benz 190 4 cyl, 2.3 L, Manual 5-spd, (FFS), Regular 17city 24hwy Window sticker was 19city 27hwy (FFS means feedback fuel system, not flexible fuel system) Regular unleaded was a surprise to me, that's equal to a couple extra mpg in fuel savings over premium. You'd probably see 25-30 on a long trip. 16v gets about 25 with lower gearing. And since when did W201s come with bundts? Not bundts, mesh, like all those BBS wheels that were popular in the 1980s. And definitely aftermarket. (blow up the pics for a closer look) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
I've never worked on a 124 but having seen one I appreciate the engine bay of a 240D... I've never driven a 124 either but I've ridden in one and driven a couple 201s and both the 124 and 201 are more refined than the 123. I do prefer the 123 look and simplicity though. -Curt Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:24:08 -0600 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best W123? Message-ID: 437bc981002151224x79baccu3aad4f815a01e...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I think the best 123 is a 124 -- just my personal opinion -- after the 124, there wasn't anything about the 123's that I liked better. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote: I don't think this means the '85s should be avoided... it should be sought after! These changes were improvements, and enough of these cars were sold that parts will be available for quite some time. The 1985 300D has been, and will continue to be the more desirable of US Spec W123s. They do drive a bit differently than earlier cars. If you prefer the simplistic 240D, thats really a personal choice. The extra gadgets in a 300D are quite reliable, if you're willing to service and rebuild them every 10-20 years. They get a bad reputation due to people not willing to repair them properly, or not understanding how to repair them in the first place. Jaime -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM606 Timing Chain Wear Measure
Answering my own post here. Searched the archives and found an exchange between Ned Kleinhenz and Marshall Booth, here's the key part below. Ned if you're still on this list, I'd like permission to also post this great tidbit on the MBCA forum and credit to your name. -Max -- Glad I took Marshall's advice and replicated the chain stretch measurement on my '95 E300D with the OM 606.910 engine. My first measurement on Saturday was 4 deg. The subsequent measurements, today, were 3 deg, 2 deg and 2.5 deg. Think I'll keep this chain and check it again in 30 or 50k miles. I discovered an important trick that other 606 engine owners may want to know - The cam can be indexed for #1 piston TDC by running a pin through holes that align the left cam gear and the front cam tower. One of the bolts that holds the cam cover on the head is the perfect size to use as this pin. This bolt will fit tightly enough that I estimate the bolt will only fit through both holes within 1/2 deg of crank rotation. When looking at the engine from the front of the car, correct crank rotation is clockwise. To measure chain stretch, you must approach the index postion only from the clockwise direction. Backing the crank off a fraction of a degee reverses the play in the chain and makes the measurement meaningless. Ned Kleinhenz '95 E300D x2 '85 300D '80 300TD --- -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Max Dillon Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 4:37 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OM606 Timing Chain Wear Measure Dieselvolk, I'm trying to measure the timing chain wear on my '95 E300 (OM606). I cannot for the life of me find any marks on the camshaft at the #1 bearing tower. I've made this check on OM617 and OM603 engines, so I know what I'm looking for, but this OM606 has got me stumped. Anyone know the trick? There is a set of marks on the third cam bearing tower and the primary camshaft (two camshafts on this engine, remember), but they are not easily aligned for a precise measurement. When I line them up, it looks like timing chain wear is about 4 degrees. There's also a hole in the gear on the second camshaft, and that hole can be aligned with a hole in the #1 cam bearing tower. When I line that up, I measure about 10 degrees of wear! Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 320k miles '95 E300 274k miles project '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '85 190E stick?
Same rear end as the two 190D's you have? Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 4:46 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] '85 190E stick? Hmm, too bad its on the wrong coast, that could be an adequate replacement for my 240D... -Curt Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:19:53 -0500 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] '85 190E stick? Message-ID: 4b79ac69.1040...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Alex Chamberlain wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ctd/1601876721.html This is interesting. Gotta get pretty darn good mileage with the 5-speed. I was right, no 2.6 or 2.5 in 1984/85. Fueleconomy.gov reports: Mercedes-Benz 190 4 cyl, 2.3 L, Manual 5-spd, (FFS), Regular 17city 24hwy Window sticker was 19city 27hwy (FFS means feedback fuel system, not flexible fuel system) Regular unleaded was a surprise to me, that's equal to a couple extra mpg in fuel savings over premium. You'd probably see 25-30 on a long trip. 16v gets about 25 with lower gearing. And since when did W201s come with bundts? Not bundts, mesh, like all those BBS wheels that were popular in the 1980s. And definitely aftermarket. (blow up the pics for a closer look) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
The 124 was designed with drag in mind - it had the lowest coefficient of drag of any production sedan when released in 1986 - 0.28, IIRC. The rear shape has a lot to do with that. I do agree though, that it looks ugly, but I own three of them regardless. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr degco...@cox.netwrote: Agreed even though I never had one. One day for fun, I parked the 123 and 124 side by side lined up -both white. Then I stood back and tired to analyze- really the front of 124 is not too bad with rakish slant-but the rear end goes up and ends abruptly- actually I think a 201 is better proportioned than a 124-but what do I know-I am not a designer. My favorite visually is a w108 or a 170. Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 204 wiper blades
How can you not know by now that a large portion of Rusty's stock is not on the website. We talk about this nearly every single week... -Curt Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:25:35 EST From: relng...@aol.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 204 wiper blades Message-ID: 113d2.6cc61f0e.38ab0...@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII 204 820 11 45 is a set, we sell for $38.00.. Which is not on your website. And the dealer sells the genune article by the each. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 204 wiper blades
That is why you need to CALL if you don't see it. We have access to EVERYTHING. The Mercedes EPC says they only sell by the set and that is the part number. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: relng...@aol.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 204 wiper blades 204 820 11 45 is a set, we sell for $38.00.. Which is not on your website. And the dealer sells the genune article by the each. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sometimes you just gotta wonder
Someone should ask the seller what would it take to make your car PERFECT? On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 2:18 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 6:45 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1597137098.html You know it's a well-cared-for car when the seller tells you he uses FULL SYNTHIC oil. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
I like the looks of 123 better, but it'd be mighty hard for me to go back to a manual 240D after having a 124 for 5+ years and a 126 for 15 years. ;))) Wilton - Original Message - From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr degco...@cox.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best W123? I agree except for looks-esp. rear end of 124 sedan. 123 is so classic looking. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr.(one of each) 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 3:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best W123? I think the best 123 is a 124 -- just my personal opinion -- after the 124, there wasn't anything about the 123's that I liked better. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT olympic death
I feel guilty asking this, but has anyone seen the actual video of the accident? On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 1:21 PM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Yabbut in this case, I suspect just as Princess Di bit the big one, so did this guy. Rapid deceleration makes a mess of your internal organs. Dan --- On Sat, 2/13/10, Peter T. Arnold pm7...@comcast.net wrote: From: Peter T. Arnold pm7...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT olympic death To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 8:20 AM A traumatic amputation of a limb is not as lethal as a clean cut off. So I was told during EMT training about 30 years ago. The blood vessels go into spasm and tend to close off. That being said, I would assume any amputation of the upper leg to me 10% fatal unless you were immediately attended to by someone who knew how to control bleeding, that would not be me ;-) -- Pete Arnold 32° There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway On 2/12/2010 7:31 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: Wow, I bet that hurt, but less than being dead maybe. If cutting your femoral artery can result in death in a few minutes, what does ripping your leg off do? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
Yep Wilton - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best W123? OK Don typed: True - but the 115 is even better than the 123. Exactly... I've has 115, 123, 201, and now a 211. I've never had a 124. Never even driven one. Maybe I'm selling myself short. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SWMBA drops Cleo
She'll be one of the two original owners still taking advantage of the warranty. If everyone did, they would go under. Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT olympic death
Yes, he was flying. Hit the metal pole going backwards. Not a pretty sight. Very sad. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT olympic death I feel guilty asking this, but has anyone seen the actual video of the accident? On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 1:21 PM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Yabbut in this case, I suspect just as Princess Di bit the big one, so did this guy. Rapid deceleration makes a mess of your internal organs. Dan --- On Sat, 2/13/10, Peter T. Arnold pm7...@comcast.net wrote: From: Peter T. Arnold pm7...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT olympic death To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 8:20 AM A traumatic amputation of a limb is not as lethal as a clean cut off. So I was told during EMT training about 30 years ago. The blood vessels go into spasm and tend to close off. That being said, I would assume any amputation of the upper leg to me 10% fatal unless you were immediately attended to by someone who knew how to control bleeding, that would not be me ;-) -- Pete Arnold 32° There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway On 2/12/2010 7:31 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: Wow, I bet that hurt, but less than being dead maybe. If cutting your femoral artery can result in death in a few minutes, what does ripping your leg off do? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
Once you drive a 124, it's mighty hard to go back, and driving a 126 is like flying at cruise on a cool, clear day - rock solid and steering by little more than just thinking where you want it to go (ever so slight pressure on the controls to put it where you want it). Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best W123? I've never worked on a 124 but having seen one I appreciate the engine bay of a 240D... I've never driven a 124 either but I've ridden in one and driven a couple 201s and both the 124 and 201 are more refined than the 123. I do prefer the 123 look and simplicity though. -Curt Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:24:08 -0600 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best W123? Message-ID: 437bc981002151224x79baccu3aad4f815a01e...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I think the best 123 is a 124 -- just my personal opinion -- after the 124, there wasn't anything about the 123's that I liked better. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote: I don't think this means the '85s should be avoided... it should be sought after! These changes were improvements, and enough of these cars were sold that parts will be available for quite some time. The 1985 300D has been, and will continue to be the more desirable of US Spec W123s. They do drive a bit differently than earlier cars. If you prefer the simplistic 240D, thats really a personal choice. The extra gadgets in a 300D are quite reliable, if you're willing to service and rebuild them every 10-20 years. They get a bad reputation due to people not willing to repair them properly, or not understanding how to repair them in the first place. Jaime -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Any other fans of the 600 SWB ?
I think patina is overrated. One man's patina is another's stinky old car smell. On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 11:56 AM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Agreed! I'm also a fan of older cars that have never been restored. As they say, it can be restored over over but it's only original once. Patina is also important LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 6:20 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any other fans of the 600 SWB ? You know that old saying Larry, there are now 3 times more Bugatti's out there than ever left the factory. lol. Prices got so crazy, if you had an old chassis, engine, or gearbox, you had the makings of a restored car. lol. Problem was, the cars were broken up over time, everyone with a chassis, engine, or gearbox built a new car around it, and ended up with an original Bug. lol. I'm not sure how much a true lover of old cars could get from something that is 90% less than 10 years old. As a lover of car, and and particularly of older vintage cars, nothing does it for me more than the survivors. Bit of rust or faded paint, nothing like seeing them as they left the factory. Those are the real deal. Ed 300E On 12 February 2010 17:44, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: I know it can cost 6 figures to restore a neat old car but some of those cars are nothing more than a rusty chassis which is turned into a 100 pt Concours car - excuse me auto-mo-bile. Have to enunciate properly. ;-) Larry OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 5:07 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any other fans of the 600 SWB ? I am fortunate to live a short bike ride over to Kiawah Island, which is like a zoo for older rich white people. Last fall sometime they had a car display at one of the parks on a gorgeous Saturday morning, so I pedaled over to look at the cars. There were some nice rides there, and some people sitting around, walking around, whatever. I attempted to engage some of them in idle conversation about the cars, etc. and no one seemed to be the least bit happy to be there or interested in sharing an interest in nice cars. That really bothered me. I think it was more of a who has a bigger kind of thing rather than enjoying nice cars on a beautiful day. I would wager I am happier driving my 26 and 31yo stinky Benzes and 34yo ratty Cad than any of them are in their $n00,000 spotless cars. I just don't get it, they seem to have very pampered but not very happy lives. --R E M wrote: I agree, 100% Ed 300E On 11 February 2010 16:29, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Money can buy a lot of things, class is not one of them. --R E M wrote: I was a member of the Benz club for a few years here, and helped with their regional mag. I found a lot more of that attitude than with other car groups. Often members would have several different makes of cars, Benz, Rollers, Ferrari. I once asked or tried to strike up a conversation about Ferraris with one of the guys. I was told, by someone else, he doesn't like to talk about his other cars. Well, someone might want to tell him, and others, that owning several cars, even nice ones, are probably some of the worst kept secrets within a car club. lol. ( Wonder if he was reluctant to talk about his Mercedes to his Ferrari friends?) lol I find a lot of the attitude is not so much with the owners of certain cars, but more with people who have purchased certain cars, but can't really afford to treat them for what they are, cars. From my experience, the people who really love and buy these cars for what they are, are more than happy to show them off to whoever has an interest in them. It's like anything in life, you're going to get a few goofballs in any group of people. Whatever you drive, there will always be people who have something cooler, and more of them, so a bit of modesty never hurts. You know, those old fashioned social graces, that don't always come standard with an old used 600. ;-) Ed 300E On 11 February 2010 15:00, glenn brown g_010...@hotmail.com wrote: When I was working/living in NY state and wasting my money on The Star magazine, there was an article on the M100 (I hope I remembered the name right) club which meets once a year in southern NY state. There are two main players who operate things in this club and the other fellow lives somewhere in northeast PA as I remember. Since my brother and I had visited a few Meadowbrook
Re: [MBZ] 204 wiper blades
And a call to Rusty/Tom is cheap and easy. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 204 wiper blades How can you not know by now that a large portion of Rusty's stock is not on the website. We talk about this nearly every single week... -Curt Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:25:35 EST From: relng...@aol.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 204 wiper blades Message-ID: 113d2.6cc61f0e.38ab0...@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII 204 820 11 45 is a set, we sell for $38.00.. Which is not on your website. And the dealer sells the genune article by the each. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] possibly the all-time ultimate crack-smoker
He would be charging $35,002 if he had included two photos. On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I was thinking the response should be nis pitchers two ... But the guy at least can spell some words right. Allan Streib wrote: http://lexington.craigslist.org/cto/1576660737.html But, this is a new car! It only has 190,000 miles on it! It won't be considered a used car until it has 800,000 miles on it! Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Someone Needs This
It's named after the color of impala dung. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: *Colossus Trading LLC is a dealership Scary. --R * Donald Snook wrote: Rick provided the following link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260551087963viewitem=_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26its%3DI%26otn%3D2category=6336 Boy, that is really nice! I would like to have that car. I wonder what cylinder head reconditioning means? What is Impala Metallic? Is he talking about the Chevy Impala? Anyone want to buy a nice Expedition and I can get this one. Nice car! Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT olympic death
here is a link. not for the timid. http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6202459ntag=mg;mostpopvideo Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT olympic death I feel guilty asking this, but has anyone seen the actual video of the accident? On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 1:21 PM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Yabbut in this case, I suspect just as Princess Di bit the big one, so did this guy. Rapid deceleration makes a mess of your internal organs. Dan --- On Sat, 2/13/10, Peter T. Arnold pm7...@comcast.net wrote: From: Peter T. Arnold pm7...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT olympic death To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 8:20 AM A traumatic amputation of a limb is not as lethal as a clean cut off. So I was told during EMT training about 30 years ago. The blood vessels go into spasm and tend to close off. That being said, I would assume any amputation of the upper leg to me 10% fatal unless you were immediately attended to by someone who knew how to control bleeding, that would not be me ;-) -- Pete Arnold 32° There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway On 2/12/2010 7:31 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: Wow, I bet that hurt, but less than being dead maybe. If cutting your femoral artery can result in death in a few minutes, what does ripping your leg off do? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT olympic death
andrew strasfogel wrote: I feel guilty asking this, but has anyone seen the actual video of the accident? I had no idea how close the post was, you could reach out and touch it from the edge of the track. I can't imagine not having 'hockey glass' on the track side of those posts. http://abcnews.go.com/Health/video/nodar-kumaritashvili-video-fatal-luge-crash-9823485 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT olympic death
I saw an article in the paper that a lot of people complained that the TV network showed it several times. I think it is on utubers too, my wife said she saw it. I did not watch it, I kinda have an idea of what hitting a metal pole at 90mph might look like. --R andrew strasfogel wrote: I feel guilty asking this, but has anyone seen the actual video of the accident? On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 1:21 PM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Yabbut in this case, I suspect just as Princess Di bit the big one, so did this guy. Rapid deceleration makes a mess of your internal organs. Dan --- On Sat, 2/13/10, Peter T. Arnold pm7...@comcast.net wrote: From: Peter T. Arnold pm7...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT olympic death To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 8:20 AM A traumatic amputation of a limb is not as lethal as a clean cut off. So I was told during EMT training about 30 years ago. The blood vessels go into spasm and tend to close off. That being said, I would assume any amputation of the upper leg to me 10% fatal unless you were immediately attended to by someone who knew how to control bleeding, that would not be me ;-) -- Pete Arnold 32° There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway On 2/12/2010 7:31 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: Wow, I bet that hurt, but less than being dead maybe. If cutting your femoral artery can result in death in a few minutes, what does ripping your leg off do? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] early 190E
Alles. My 190E 1985 2.3 4cyl. auto. Was only in fair shape when I got it home. The first thing was the timing chain, single row, so worn out that it was rattling the chain tensioner. The cam gear had lost all of the sprocket tips so badly that I expected it to skip out of time at any second. Home safe by God's Grace. New sprocket, new chain, new O2 sensor (Ford mustang part was much cheaper, Thanks Marshall.), oil change with M1; Wash the 1/2 ton of mud from the bottom and suspension, courtesy of the sellers kids backyard slalom, and it was good to go. MPG was about 26/27 on regular weasel p*ss. Some other minor bits and bobs and it ran until trans went, replaced went again, Off to J/Y with a good engine, dead trans, rusty body. loose rear sub-frame and leaky heater core. RIP. Fred Moir Lynn MA But it wasn't a diesel! On 2/15/2010 3:41 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: don't know anything about the car, but did find this in the technical data book: 190E 2.3, 201 .028, 102.985 engine, the tranny is 717.412, Engine has 9:1 compressioin ratio, 6k rpm max., 136 hp @ 5100 rpm, 151 lb./ft. torque @ 3500 rpm, premuim fuel. rear axle is 3.27:1, 0-62 mph in 10.6 sec., top speed is 122.4 mph, curb weight is 2690 lb. Fueleconomy.gov says 17 mpg. city and 24 mpg hwy. I bought one of these things new and even the dealer agreed that it was one on the least reliable cars MB ever built. You name it, the warranty replaced it. But, these are just another old banger now and should be as reliable as anything else of the same age since most parts have been changed. Fuel mileage is closer to 20/28. My 89 190E 2.6 was vastly better but of course wasn't a patch on my '08. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '85 190E stick?
Dunno, at one point I researched an early '84 2.3l and it had a lower (numerically higher) rear end... -Curt Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:56:10 -0500 From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr degco...@cox.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] '85 190E stick? Message-ID: 004501caae89$af1a00f0$0d4e02...@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Same rear end as the two 190D's you have? Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 4:46 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] '85 190E stick? Hmm, too bad its on the wrong coast, that could be an adequate replacement for my 240D... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT olympic death
A friend of mine is working at the Olympics, he was in the booth when the footage came in, said its brutal to watch. Based on that I'm refraining. -Curt Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:32:45 -0500 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT olympic death Message-ID: b8cdcef41002151432n5c138404k314671468ee64...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I feel guilty asking this, but has anyone seen the actual video of the accident? On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 1:21 PM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Yabbut in this case, I suspect just as Princess Di bit the big one, so did this guy. Rapid deceleration makes a mess of your internal organs. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
And a 201 is a mite like a go-kart that doesn't beat your kidneys to death... I still like my 240D, it chugs on for no particularly good reason, its got SISU. -Curt Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:41:15 -0500 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best W123? Message-ID: d4557131cd314a6b9b04a289c6d18...@wiltonpc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Once you drive a 124, it's mighty hard to go back, and driving a 126 is like flying at cruise on a cool, clear day - rock solid and steering by little more than just thinking where you want it to go (ever so slight pressure on the controls to put it where you want it). Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best W123? I've never worked on a 124 but having seen one I appreciate the engine bay of a 240D... I've never driven a 124 either but I've ridden in one and driven a couple 201s and both the 124 and 201 are more refined than the 123. I do prefer the 123 look and simplicity though. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 204 wiper blades
what's the new number again? Ed 300E On 15 February 2010 17:44, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: And a call to Rusty/Tom is cheap and easy. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 204 wiper blades How can you not know by now that a large portion of Rusty's stock is not on the website. We talk about this nearly every single week... -Curt Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:25:35 EST From: relng...@aol.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 204 wiper blades Message-ID: 113d2.6cc61f0e.38ab0...@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII 204 820 11 45 is a set, we sell for $38.00.. Which is not on your website. And the dealer sells the genune article by the each. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 204 wiper blades
no new number, same one since 1985, 1-800-741-5252 Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 204 wiper blades what's the new number again? Ed 300E On 15 February 2010 17:44, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: And a call to Rusty/Tom is cheap and easy. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 204 wiper blades How can you not know by now that a large portion of Rusty's stock is not on the website. We talk about this nearly every single week... -Curt Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:25:35 EST From: relng...@aol.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 204 wiper blades Message-ID: 113d2.6cc61f0e.38ab0...@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII 204 820 11 45 is a set, we sell for $38.00.. Which is not on your website. And the dealer sells the genune article by the each. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '85 190E stick?
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Not bundts, mesh, like all those BBS wheels that were popular in the 1980s. And definitely aftermarket. (blow up the pics for a closer look) Aha! You are correct, sir. BBS wheels. My favorite! Could there by anything more '80s? I think they look better on slab-sided E30 and E28 chassis BMWs than on Benzes, though. Either way you feel like a minor character on Miami Vice every time you see them. Alex . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT olympic death
I agree, it makes no sense whatsoever to have those things right there when the possibility of leaving the track at any speed is clearly a possibility. I was thinking that mesh fencing, but those posts are so close you would need a hard barrier as you mention; although, skidding on the ice or whatever at 90mph might be equally damaging, esp if you go rag-dolling on down the track. All that said, riding one of those things looks like a huge assumed risk no matter what safety provisions would be installed. ---R Mitch Haley wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: I feel guilty asking this, but has anyone seen the actual video of the accident? I had no idea how close the post was, you could reach out and touch it from the edge of the track. I can't imagine not having 'hockey glass' on the track side of those posts. http://abcnews.go.com/Health/video/nodar-kumaritashvili-video-fatal-luge-crash-9823485 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SWMBA drops Cleo
Based on the hulks residing in the PnP, these cars are not able to go more than 80k before some massive failures. That the original purchasers were stretching to make payments, they probably did not factor in proper care or bargain for dealer agreeing to cover the thing fully, paying for all care. With that deal, I insist she drive that car until if is out of warranty.Dealer has money on her dumping it and at least breaking even clay On Feb 15, 2010, at 2:38 PM, Kevin Kraly wrote: She'll be one of the two original owners still taking advantage of the warranty. If everyone did, they would go under. Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
I continue to lust after the w126. Even the few hours in the POS SDL were a delight, until it became a turd, ala Cinderella's pumpkin. Been working on the `124. Oil change, engine clean and prep for detail. Carpets prep for good scrubbing. Dealing with the residue of the fuel leak in the trunk. Any idea on how best to remove the #2 stench? I am thinking a steam wand and lots of towels. Tried the Woolite spray cleaner, but that just makes the towel stink and still too much fuel left behind. clay On Feb 15, 2010, at 2:41 PM, WILTON wrote: Once you drive a 124, it's mighty hard to go back, and driving a 126 is like flying at cruise on a cool, clear day - rock solid and steering by little more than just thinking where you want it to go (ever so slight pressure on the controls to put it where you want it). Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best W123? I've never worked on a 124 but having seen one I appreciate the engine bay of a 240D... I've never driven a 124 either but I've ridden in one and driven a couple 201s and both the 124 and 201 are more refined than the 123. I do prefer the 123 look and simplicity though. -Curt Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:24:08 -0600 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best W123? Message-ID: 437bc981002151224x79baccu3aad4f815a01e...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I think the best 123 is a 124 -- just my personal opinion -- after the 124, there wasn't anything about the 123's that I liked better. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote: I don't think this means the '85s should be avoided... it should be sought after! These changes were improvements, and enough of these cars were sold that parts will be available for quite some time. The 1985 300D has been, and will continue to be the more desirable of US Spec W123s. They do drive a bit differently than earlier cars. If you prefer the simplistic 240D, thats really a personal choice. The extra gadgets in a 300D are quite reliable, if you're willing to service and rebuild them every 10-20 years. They get a bad reputation due to people not willing to repair them properly, or not understanding how to repair them in the first place. Jaime -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT olympic death
A hard barrier has been installed. Still fairly dangerous as they are going 90 mph plus. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT olympic death
Today I heard it described as going 90 mph lying on a pie pan perched on two knives. They're crazy. Bob R On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: A hard barrier has been installed. Still fairly dangerous as they are going 90 mph plus. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT olympic death
Crazy describes many Olympic winter sports, I think. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT olympic death
I agree, skiing in general can be dangerous for folks young enough to think they cannot be hurt. I wrapped my self around a large pine at the age of 20 in Vail, CO. Estimated speed was 50 mph. I got a free ride down the mountain and spent 10 days in hospital and feel very lucky to be walking. I have not been skiing since. Mike On Feb 15, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Crazy describes many Olympic winter sports, I think. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] ULTIMATE 123
I think the ultimate 123 is a 126. I mean, why not? They're the same price as 123s now, and have more room, a better ride, bigger brakes, better passive safety, I would guess, and I think they handle about the same if not better, and don't give up much if anything in mileage or performance. I can appreciate wanting manual everything, but I won't give up a turboed 617 to get it. My second choice would be a turboed TD. Dan 82 300SD, 325k miles, and still racking up 700 miles/week at 28 mpg. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123
The OM 603 is a much better engine -- much more power, smoother, and less hassle (other than cracked heads, and OM 617's crack too, if less often). I wish I'd have bought my brother's SDL before he got it Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123
I had the ultimate Mercedes until a tree fell on it. 1980 300SD. Black with bamboo leather interior. Everything worked on it, cruise, sunroof, windows, climate control, etc. It was fantastic! Then we had a little thing called a tornado, oops. 150 year old oak came down from front bumper to rear. I cried. The 116 was such a beautiful car. I miss it today. --Original Message-- From: Dan Weeks Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com ReplyTo: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Feb 15, 2010 7:25 PM Subject: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123 I think the ultimate 123 is a 126. I mean, why not? They're the same price as 123s now, and have more room, a better ride, bigger brakes, better passive safety, I would guess, and I think they handle about the same if not better, and don't give up much if anything in mileage or performance. I can appreciate wanting manual everything, but I won't give up a turboed 617 to get it. My second choice would be a turboed TD. Dan 82 300SD, 325k miles, and still racking up 700 miles/week at 28 mpg. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT olympic death
Curt Raymond wrote: A friend of mine is working at the Olympics, he was in the booth when the footage came in, said its brutal to watch. I didn't find it to be anywhere near as graphic as TV drama shows. He veers up high on the inside of the curve, then goes airborne across the tube to the outside, bounces over the wall, starts to tumble, but almost immediately smacks the post and then doesn't move. Imagine sitting in a reclining chair and driving the back of your helmet and neck into a hollow steel support post at 80mph. Made sort of a bonging sound. No blood, like throwing a rag doll at a wall. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
While it is tempting to think that a W123 will protect you against everything, make no mistake that no car designed in the 70s is any match even for much smaller modern cars. If, for example, you would consider a big Volvo station wagon to be a safe car, you may want to check out this video that shows what happens to a big Volvo 940 (1991-1998, but based on the 740 which began in 1982) when it hits a small, newer (introduced 2004) Renault Modus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBDyeWofcLY The NHTSA rating for a Volvo 940 is listed as 4 (of 5). For comparison, a contemporary MB 190E was rated 3 of 5 (worse). Rememeber also that it wasn't until the development of the W126 that MB started designing specifically for an offset frontal collision. Getting it right takes years, and even the W210 didn't do so well on offset frontal tests (door lock failure, deformation) compared to the W211 and later cars. I love my MBs, and there is a LOT more to safety than crashworthiness (crash avoidance, stability, etc), but people need to keep the developments of the last ten years in perspective. The EuroNCAP standards have changed the game. D. Bob Rentfro wrote: The more collisions (no such thing as an accident...someone is always at fault said my old driver's ed teacher years ago) I see around here the more I really want to keep driving a W123. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
