Re: [MBZ] Best W123?

[John Reames]

Agreed on the W126.  My wife dubbed it a barcolounger on wheels...

Especially after you rebuild the suspension.

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On Feb 15, 2010, at 17:41, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

Once you drive a 124, it's mighty hard to go back, and driving a 126  
is like flying at cruise on a cool, clear day - rock solid and  
steering by little more than just thinking where you want it to go  
(ever so slight pressure on the controls to put it where you want it).


Wilton

- Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com 


To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best W123?


I've never worked on a 124 but having seen one I appreciate the  
engine bay of a 240D...


I've never driven a 124 either but I've ridden in one and driven a  
couple 201s and both the 124 and 201 are more refined than the 123.  
I do prefer the 123 look and simplicity though.


-Curt

Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:24:08 -0600
From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
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I think the best 123 is a 124 -- just my personal opinion -- after  
the 124,

there wasn't anything about the 123's that I liked better.

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Jaime Kopchinski  
jaime...@gmail.comwrote:


I don't think this means the '85s should be avoided... it should be  
sought
after! These changes were improvements, and enough of these cars  
were sold
that parts will be available for quite some time. The 1985 300D has  
been,
and will continue to be the more desirable of US Spec W123s. They  
do drive

a bit differently than earlier cars.

If you prefer the simplistic 240D, thats really a personal choice.  
The
extra gadgets in a 300D are quite reliable, if you're willing to  
service

and
rebuild them every 10-20 years. They get a bad reputation due to  
people

not
willing to repair them properly, or not understanding how to repair  
them in

the first place.

Jaime



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Re: [MBZ] Best W123?

[John Reames]

A generous layer of tidy cats non-clumping clay litter left for  
several days to a week. Shop-vac it and repeat If needed. Finish it up  
with a soup plate of stale-ish ground coffee left in it for a week.


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On Feb 15, 2010, at 18:42, Redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

I continue to lust after the w126.  Even the few hours in the POS  
SDL were a delight, until it became a turd, ala Cinderella's pumpkin.


Been working on the `124.  Oil change, engine clean and prep for  
detail.  Carpets prep for good scrubbing.  Dealing with the residue  
of the fuel leak in the trunk.  Any idea on how best to remove the  
#2 stench?  I am thinking a steam wand and lots of towels.  Tried  
the Woolite spray cleaner, but that just makes the towel stink and  
still too much fuel left behind.


clay

On Feb 15, 2010, at 2:41 PM, WILTON wrote:

Once you drive a 124, it's mighty hard to go back, and driving a  
126 is like flying at cruise on a cool, clear day - rock solid and  
steering by little more than just thinking where you want it to go  
(ever so slight pressure on the controls to put it where you want  
it).


Wilton

- Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com 


To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best W123?


I've never worked on a 124 but having seen one I appreciate the  
engine bay of a 240D...


I've never driven a 124 either but I've ridden in one and driven a  
couple 201s and both the 124 and 201 are more refined than the 123.  
I do prefer the 123 look and simplicity though.


-Curt

Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:24:08 -0600
From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best W123?
Message-ID:  
437bc981002151224x79baccu3aad4f815a01e...@mail.gmail.com

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I think the best 123 is a 124 -- just my personal opinion -- after  
the 124,

there wasn't anything about the 123's that I liked better.

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com 
wrote:


I don't think this means the '85s should be avoided... it should  
be sought
after! These changes were improvements, and enough of these cars  
were sold
that parts will be available for quite some time. The 1985 300D  
has been,
and will continue to be the more desirable of US Spec W123s. They  
do drive

a bit differently than earlier cars.

If you prefer the simplistic 240D, thats really a personal choice.  
The
extra gadgets in a 300D are quite reliable, if you're willing to  
service

and
rebuild them every 10-20 years. They get a bad reputation due to  
people

not
willing to repair them properly, or not understanding how to  
repair them in

the first place.

Jaime



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Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

[John Reames]

The mechanical linkage is dead, gone and unable to be resurrected;  
mandated traction control has seen to it.


Consider the 98 w210.025's were fly-by wire, and look at the number of  
issues with them.  It can be done right, but it cannot be done right  
when someone tries to cut every last cent they can.


I am hoping that we don't see some sort of overreaction which brings  
parity between the QC (and QC regulations) of automobile parts/repairs  
and those of airplanes.


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On Feb 13, 2010, at 9:10, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com wrote:

To add to the prior post, the article below was also sent out by ASQ  
(American Society for Quality)
Friends don't let friends drive toadas  You stand a good chance of  
ending up incinerated.  It was sickening to hear about a bright  
outgoing 20 year old girl being incinerated so badly that it took  
two weeks just to identify the remains, simply because she was  
driving a new toada.


Experts Say Recalls May Not Solve Problem
CNN.com

February 10, 2010

In his hectic, noisy laboratory at the University of Maryland,  
Michael Pecht is wary when it comes to assessing whether Toyota's  
suggested repair of sticky gas pedals will have any real impact.
They are in a bit of a quandary, said Pecht, a professor at  
Maryland's Clark School of Engineering. If they announce that  
electronics is a problem, they are probably going to be in a lot of  
trouble, because nobody's going to drive the car. So at this stage,  
they don't want to announce there is any electronic problem.
But according to Pecht, who is an expert in failure analysis and has  
written a book on sudden acceleration in automobiles, complicated  
electronics-not a mechanical issue with the gas pedal-lie at the  
heart of Toyota's problems. And three other independent safety  
analysts contacted by CNN also conclude that neither floor mats nor  
stuck gas pedals are an overwhelming issue.
From what people have told me about their sudden acceleration  
incidents, most of them have got nothing to do with the sticking  
pedal at all, said Antony Anderson, an electronics consultant in  
Newcastle-upon-Tyne, England.
Anderson said electronic throttle controls, which largely have  
replaced mechanical accelerators, can malfunction in ways he  
compared to an occasionally disobedient child. We've all had that  
type of experience, and I'm afraid that is the sort of experience  
that can happen with any piece of electronics, with an electronic  
throttle, he said.
Sean Kane, who runs a company called Safety Research Strategies in  
Rehoboth, MA, said, Toyota's explanations do not account for the  
share of unintended acceleration complaints that we have examined.
Toyota officials dispute any assertion the complicated array of  
electronics in its cars has an impact on the acceleration issues  
that have dominated headlines in the past weeks. After many years  
of exhaustive testing by us and by other organizations, we have  
found no evidence of an electronic problem in our electronic  
throttle control systems that could have led to unwanted  
acceleration, said John Hanson, Toyota's spokesman on quality- 
control issues.
But experts such as Anderson say the tests conducted by Toyota are  
not adequate. Those tests do not reproduce what actually happens in  
everyday life, he said. They are testing for certain conditions,  
for certain standards, but they test, for example, signals one at a  
time. They don't do a whole lot of signals altogether. Whereas in a  
car, you've got a great cacophony of electromagnetic interference  
going on all the time, and you really can't rely on testing of a  
single frequency at one time.
As for the U.S. government's testing of Toyota's problems, the man  
in charge of the Center For Auto Safety, Clarence Ditlow, said a  
2007 test on a Lexus-a Toyota brand-by the National Highway Safety  
and Traffic Administration to find possible electronic interference  
was amateurish.
They didn't do any real testing, he said. For all I know, they  
just took a garage door opener, pointed it at the engine compartment  
and snapped it, and that's electronic interference to see whether or  
not anything happened. They closed the hood, and off they went. No  
problem.
Efforts to contact the NHTSA in snow-bound Washington were  
unsuccessful. But Toyota spokesman Hanson said, It's very easy to  
look from outside and say, 'There is no problem with the pedal.' But  
this is the problem, and we are fixing it. He said the company  
invited further testing and pointed out that NHTSA officials  
announced a fresh look into the whole area of electromagnetic  
testing, not just Toyota.


End quoted article, now back to my opinion:
For at least 20 years, Toyota in the USA has been so arrogant:  
Dealers charging over sticker if you wanted one; ridiculous prices  
for a used one; salesmen to stop talking to you if you as 

Re: [MBZ] Steering box replacement

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

Peter,

Thanks - I've stored a copy of your email away for future use.  My
wagon's steering box has play and I suspect a replacement is in my
future...

-Max 

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 6:30 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Steering box replacement

Got the steering box replaced last night.  Was easier than I was
fearing, but still a hassle since I'm way out of shape and my left arm
is weak from the accident (and my failure to strengthen it up).

Took about 3.5 hours, but this includes replacement of drag link and  
right tie rod (did the left one earlier) and a new steering damper.   
I think the drag link and tie rod may have been OK, but it's too cheap
to risk beating a new one to death by leaving old ones of unknown
condition in place.

The box is HEAVY for a fat old man lying on a creeper on the floor -- I
suspect it might be easier on a lift.  It would be much easier if you
can hold 60 lbs in one hand for an hour or so

Key points:

Everything is keyed, so you can't get it in way off center.  The  
coupler has a square for the column side, with a notch for the bolt.   
There is a notch on the other side for the bolt, too, so you can't get
it on wrong.  Ditto for Pitman arm.  You should measure the distance
from the lower bearing on the pitman arm, as it can be moved up and down
a bit, but it won't go on wrong.

The bolt for the column side requires a LONG extension (at least 12,
more is better), but it's not bad.  The coupling came of very easily,
and the box comes out the bottom easily.  We used an impact wrench on
the three frame to box bolts, it's not easy to reach them otherwise
without a long extension, and that's too floppy.

Going back in, you MUST put the bolt in the upper coupler hole BEFORE
you put the bolts holding the box to the frame, as it's impossible to
push the column into the coupler once the box is bolted on.

I suppose one person can do this if you have a lift, but it took three
of use (my brother holding the box up with a loop of rope, me  
guiding things on the floor, and my nephew putting the bolts in).   
One the floor, it's not possible to hold the box up AND reach the bolts,
although on a lilt I think you could.

It drives like a new car, even though I don't have the alignment done
yet (very close, doesn't pull at all but the wheel is crooked).  I had
forgotten how quiet a W124 is supposed to be, no tire or suspension
noise on normal roads unless actually hitting a bump or hole.  No
wander, no crosswind sensetivity, it's great.

I just wish I'd done this a couple years ago!

Now I need to do all the links and mounts in the back and put an
evaporator in.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] idle speed

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

Kaleb, I think the optical tachometer was $40 or so.  Looks like this is
regular price.

http://search.harborfreight.com/cpisearch/web/search.do?keyword=tachomet
erSubmit=Go

-Max 

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Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 10:36 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] idle speed

I did not see that one, how much was it?

Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:
 Harbor Freight's new sale catalog arrived this past week.  One of the 
 neat toys is an optical hand-held tachometer.  I wonder how useful 
 that would be for measuring / adjusting idle speed?

 Rich, did you figure out how to measure RPM via the diagnostic socket 
 yet?

 -Max

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 [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib
 Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 7:23 AM
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: [MBZ] idle speed

 This winter my idle speed after a cold start seems to be a little too 
 low.  The whole car shakes at idle on a cold morning.  With just a 
 slight throttle, maybe an additional 50 RPM or so, everything is
normal.

 I did replace my motor mounts last fall, could this have altered the 
 idle speed at all, i.e. if the motor is now sitting a little higher on

 the new mounts could the accelerator linkage need some adjustment?

 Once the engine has warmed up, the shaking at idle is much reduced.

 Allan
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 1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] Any other fans of the 600 SWB ?

[Donald Snook]

Andrew wrote: I think patina is overrated.  One man's patina is another's 
stinky old car smell.

I agree - to a point.  There are certain cars, especially those that are 
exceptionally old, that I would prefer were original including all of the 
patina rather than restored or new.  I am thinking of cars from the 30's and 
40's or older.  They would be more interesting, IMO, than a restored car. But, 
pretty much everything after that time, I think would be more valuable and 
desirable if it were restored to new condition.  Just my 2 cents.

It is pretty cool to see some of the cars at the Barrett Jackson auction that 
have been restored to what is sometimes called better than new condition.

By the way, did anyone see the Scottsdale Auction? They had a few Oldsmobile 
442's that were just amazing.  I love those old cars (the W30).  One day I will 
have one.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] happy birthday, Snook

[Donald Snook]

Lt. Don,

Thank you!  But, how did you know it was my birthday, yesterday?

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] OT olympic death

[andrew strasfogel]

No one has died doing the skeleton, right?  Is that even an Olympic sport?

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Skeleton is just as crazy if not worse, they go face first...

 Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:47:58 -0700
 From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT olympic death
 Message-ID:
 2479e1691002151547r577f1f67l6a0696c1eb13e...@mail.gmail.com
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 Today I heard it described as going 90 mph lying on a pie pan perched on
 two knives.

 They're crazy.

 Bob R

 On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net
 wrote:

  A hard barrier has been installed.  Still fairly dangerous as they are
  going 90 mph plus.
 
  Peter



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Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123

[Donald Snook]

Ok Don wrote: I think an SEC would be nice -- need to drive one someday.

Me too!  I saw a 91 560 SEC for sale yesterday.  Those are really beautiful 
cars.  My Indy also has a 95 S500 coupe that I have been lusting after.  But, I 
don't think I can afford to own one.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] OM606 Timing Chain Wear Measure

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

For posterity, using Ned's method, I got very similar results (between 2
and 3 degrees of wear).

-Max 

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM606 Timing Chain Wear Measure

Answering my own post here.  Searched the archives and found an exchange
between Ned Kleinhenz and Marshall Booth, here's the key part below.

Ned if you're still on this list, I'd like permission to also post this
great tidbit on the MBCA forum and credit to your name.

-Max

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Glad I took Marshall's advice and replicated the chain stretch
measurement on my '95 E300D with the OM 606.910 engine.  My first
measurement on Saturday was 4 deg.
The subsequent measurements, today, were 3 deg, 2 deg and 2.5 deg.
Think I'll keep this chain and check it again in 30 or 50k miles.

I discovered an important trick that other 606 engine owners may want to
know - The cam can be indexed for #1 piston TDC by running a pin through
holes that align the left cam gear and the front cam tower.  One of the
bolts that holds the cam cover on the head is the perfect size to use as
this pin.
This bolt will fit tightly enough that I estimate the bolt will only fit
through both holes within  1/2 deg of crank rotation.

When looking at the engine from the front of the car, correct crank
rotation is clockwise.  To measure chain stretch, you must approach the
index postion only from the clockwise direction.  Backing the crank off
a fraction of a degee reverses the play in the chain and makes the
measurement meaningless.

Ned Kleinhenz
'95 E300D x2
'85 300D
'80 300TD

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Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 4:37 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] OM606 Timing Chain Wear Measure

Dieselvolk,

 

I'm trying to measure the timing chain wear on my '95 E300 (OM606).  I
cannot for the life of me find any marks on the camshaft at the #1
bearing tower.  I've made this check on OM617 and OM603 engines, so I
know what I'm looking for, but this OM606 has got me stumped.

 

Anyone know the trick?  

 

There is a set of marks on the third cam bearing tower and the primary
camshaft (two camshafts on this engine, remember), but they are not
easily aligned for a precise measurement.  When I line them up, it looks
like timing chain wear is about 4 degrees.  There's also a hole in the
gear on the second camshaft, and that hole can be aligned with a hole in
the #1 cam bearing tower.  When I line that up, I measure about 10
degrees of wear!

 

Very respectfully,
/s/
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD 320k miles

'95 E300 274k miles project

'73 Balboa 20

 

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[MBZ] DeLorean

[Donald Snook]

I went up to my Indy's yesterday to sign some paperwork for the sale of the BMW 
and he was working on a DeLorean.  It was a customer's car.  The guy has owned 
it since new, it was an '82 - which is, I think, the last year they made them.  
What a cool looking car and what a odd thing to see in Wichita, KS.  They were 
really crappy cars, but very interesting and unique!

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Any other fans of the 600 SWB ?

[andrew strasfogel]

Some of those restored cars are not sloppy enouigh to match the factory
originality.  The Speed TV reports proudly point out the correct overspray
and hastily applied undercoating in a faithful restoration.  Paint finishes
are typically better than new.

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote:

 Andrew wrote: I think patina is overrated.  One man's patina is
 another's stinky old car smell.

 I agree - to a point.  There are certain cars, especially those that are
 exceptionally old, that I would prefer were original including all of the
 patina rather than restored or new.  I am thinking of cars from the 30's and
 40's or older.  They would be more interesting, IMO, than a restored car.
 But, pretty much everything after that time, I think would be more valuable
 and desirable if it were restored to new condition.  Just my 2 cents.

 It is pretty cool to see some of the cars at the Barrett Jackson auction
 that have been restored to what is sometimes called better than new
 condition.

 By the way, did anyone see the Scottsdale Auction? They had a few
 Oldsmobile 442's that were just amazing.  I love those old cars (the W30).
  One day I will have one.

 Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Any other fans of the 600 SWB ?

[Mitch Haley]

Donald Snook wrote:


By the way, did anyone see the Scottsdale Auction? They had a few Oldsmobile 
442's that were just amazing.


A friend of mine owned one from new, It was originally 425/4sp IIRC. I think he 
kept the 425, heavily modified, but switched to a THM400 when he started drag 
racing. Then I forget what happened to the drivetrain, he left the body outside 
until it got rusty, then crushed it. If he'd kept the thing indoors and not 
gotten rid of the original engine, he'd have a car worth some serious money 
today, especially with the original title in his name since 1968 or whenever.

What's a numbers matching 4sp 442 go for, anyway?

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123

[andrew strasfogel]

My 83 wagon (with the 85 transmission) is pure joy to drive, although it
takes the bumps a bit harshly in the rear (can't figure out why) and the
fuel economy is disappointing for stop and go driving.
The 85 wagon is buried under 33 of snow.  I should be able to extricate it
by early March, if I am lucky.
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote:

 Ok Don wrote: I think an SEC would be nice -- need to drive one someday.

 Me too!  I saw a 91 560 SEC for sale yesterday.  Those are really beautiful
 cars.  My Indy also has a 95 S500 coupe that I have been lusting after.
  But, I don't think I can afford to own one.

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Re: [MBZ] DeLorean

[Rich Thomas]

There was a little car show here weekend before last and there was one 
there, the full stainless steel body.  It looked really nice, no dings 
or anything.


--R

Donald Snook wrote:

I went up to my Indy's yesterday to sign some paperwork for the sale of the BMW 
and he was working on a DeLorean.  It was a customer's car.  The guy has owned 
it since new, it was an '82 - which is, I think, the last year they made them.  
What a cool looking car and what a odd thing to see in Wichita, KS.  They were 
really crappy cars, but very interesting and unique!

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] DeLorean

[andrew strasfogel]

Was it painted a nice color, or in that crappy brownish brown/bronze?

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote:

 I went up to my Indy's yesterday to sign some paperwork for the sale of the
 BMW and he was working on a DeLorean.  It was a customer's car.  The guy has
 owned it since new, it was an '82 - which is, I think, the last year they
 made them.  What a cool looking car and what a odd thing to see in Wichita,
 KS.  They were really crappy cars, but very interesting and unique!

 Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] DeLorean

[Mitch Haley]

andrew strasfogel wrote:

Was it painted a nice color, or in that crappy brownish brown/bronze?


I've only seen Deloreans in kitchen sink brushed stainless, or painted white.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

Andrew, sounds like your SLS accumulators are shot - they only last
about 100k / 10 years or so...

-Max 

-Original Message-
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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:43 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123

My 83 wagon (with the 85 transmission) is pure joy to drive, although it
takes the bumps a bit harshly in the rear (can't figure out why) and the
fuel economy is disappointing for stop and go driving.
The 85 wagon is buried under 33 of snow.  I should be able to extricate
it by early March, if I am lucky.
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote:

 Ok Don wrote: I think an SEC would be nice -- need to drive one
someday.

 Me too!  I saw a 91 560 SEC for sale yesterday.  Those are really 
 beautiful cars.  My Indy also has a 95 S500 coupe that I have been
lusting after.
  But, I don't think I can afford to own one.

 Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] DeLorean

[Donald Snook]

Andrew wrote: Was it painted a nice color, or in that crappy brownish 
brown/bronze?

It wasn't painted.  It was stainless steel.  I didn't know anyone painted 
these?  Can you paint Stainless Steel?

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Any other fans of the 600 SWB ?

[Donald Snook]

Andrew wrote: Some of those restored cars are not sloppy enouigh to match the 
factory originality.  The Speed TV reports proudly point out the correct 
overspray and hastily applied undercoating in a faithful restoration.  Paint 
finishes are typically better than new.

Yea, I know what you are talking about.  They will say things like, this should 
really be a matte black rather than glossy, or this body gap is correct because 
it is wide, whereas the ones less faithfully restored will have very tight body 
gap clearances. Those guys knowledge of some of those cars is amazing.  I am 
sure they do some research, but sometimes it seems like they are speaking from 
experience rather than knowledge.

It does seem like the last few years, they are starting to focus more and more 
on the bidders.  I want to know about the cars!  I don't care about the bidders!

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] DeLorean

[Jim Cathey]

It was stainless steel.  I didn't know anyone painted these?  Can you 
paint Stainless Steel?


Sure!  (But stay out of high winds...  :-)

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Any other fans of the 600 SWB ?

[Donald Snook]

Mitch wrote: A friend of mine owned one from new, It was originally 425/4sp 
IIRC. I think he kept the 425, heavily modified, but switched to a THM400 when 
he started drag racing. Then I forget what happened to the drivetrain, he left 
the body outside until it got rusty, then crushed it. If he'd kept the thing 
indoors and not gotten rid of the original engine, he'd have a car worth some 
serious money today, especially with the original title in his name since 1968 
or whenever. What's a numbers matching 4sp 442 go for, anyway?

I don't think the 442 ever had a 425.  They were either 400 or the bad boy 455. 
 That is a real crime that he did that to a 442.

I don't know how much a plane jane numbers matching 442 would sell for, but 
the two absolutely beautiful 70 Olds 442 (w30) sold for $160,000 and $220,000.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] DeLorean

[Curt Raymond]

I had a guy in class last week that could be politely described as a nut.
He's convinced over-unity (perpetual motion) devices exist and are suppressed 
by the government. He says he knows a guy with an electric car which pulls a 
trailer containing a high voltage, high current (his words) generator that at 
highway speed Makes enough electricity to power the car and charge the 
batteries...

Anyway 2 cases he cites to further his stories are Tucker and Delorean. Well 
until I said But Keith, the Delorean was crap. I followed with A fiberglass 
body and stainless steel cladding plus a poorly made underpowered GM V6... He 
shut up quick on that one.

Later told us about his alien abduction. One of his coworkers was in the class 
too and says he talks about stuff like that all the time.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:28:51 -0600
From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com
To: 'Mercedes@okiebenz.com' Mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] DeLorean
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

I
went up to my Indy's yesterday to sign some paperwork for the sale of
the BMW and he was working on a DeLorean.  It was a customer's car. 
The guy has owned it since new, it was an '82 - which is, I think, the
last year they made them.  What a cool looking car and what a odd thing
to see in Wichita, KS.  They were really crappy cars, but very
interesting and unique!

Donald H. Snook


  
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Re: [MBZ] DeLorean

[Thomas Savage]

Mitch Haley wrote:

andrew strasfogel wrote:

Was it painted a nice color, or in that crappy brownish brown/bronze?


I've only seen Deloreans in kitchen sink brushed stainless, or painted 
white.


I like this one: 
http://jalopnik.com/5459955/you-can-see-yourself-in-a-mirror-polished-delorean


Tom

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[MBZ] Spent some time with my '95 E300

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

I managed to get 6 hours with Old Blue.  Finished the mechanical
installation of the injection pump and set the timing using the locking
tool.  I'd locked it prior to removal, and then once I had it in place I
removed the locking tool and re-installed the chain tensioner.  Rotated
the engine a few times and then used the locking tool to check the
timing and it had changed to ~8 deg ATDC.  It was a piece of cake to set
it back to 14.5 using the locking tool and the IP adjustment screw.  Has
anyone ever verified the accuracy of this method vs. the RIV tester?

I also pulled the valve cover and replaced the gaskets and checked the
timing chain wear.  Spent a fair amount of time cleaning off the valve
cover - the breather tubes were all fossilized and had leaked oil.  Lost
more time trying to figure out how to measure timing chain wear.

Installed the new vacuum pump with gasket.  I could not find the correct
torque specification for the vacuum pump bolts.  The procedure for
removing the injection pump lists 43-610 (removing and installing the
vacuum pump) as preceding work, but that procedure is not including on
my disk, and I can't find it in the Technical Data book.  I decided to
use 10 Nm, which might be on the light side, and then go higher if there
are any oil leaks.

I also measured the resistance of all the glow plugs, and to my relief
they all measure 0.6 ohms.

Installed new O-rings on all the fuel lines, and checked the basket fuel
filter.  Unlike my '87 124 wagon which has the clear in-line filter,
this '95 has a basked filter built into the main filter housing.  It
looks like it will last a lot longer because you can clean it out
easily, but I don't like the fact that it is not easy to inspect.

Examined more of the wiring harness and found more insulation either
gone or crumbling.  I am definitely proving that old adage about cheap
Mercedes.  So far I've probably spend about $1000 for parts, and I've
only driven the car about 40 feet to get it off the trailer and into my
garage, and I'm probably going to have to drop another $400 for the
engine wiring harness.  I'm going to see how this liquid electrical tape
works, but if it doesn't then I'll budget for a new harness for next
month's paycheck.

Very respectfully,
/s/
Max Dillon
'87 300TD 320k miles
'95 E300 274k miles (project)
'73 Balboa 20
Charleston SC



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[MBZ] The wonderful 300 SDL

[harry watkins]

The 300 SDL is the best driving car I've owned and beats all the others in fuel 
economy.

I've owned two 86 SDLs, an 85 TD, 85 300D Euro and an 81 240D manual Trans.  
The TD was second best for me, the wife liked the 240D.

I believe the 86 SDL (non-CA) is the one that has less chance of blown heads 
and gaskets because it never had the oxidizer installed.  I use Evans Waterless 
Antifreeze also and I think that gives me an edge from having head problems.

The one I have now is within five or six minor problems from being ZD.  
However, I doubt that will ever be.

Thanks
Harry
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Re: [MBZ] Any other fans of the 600 SWB ?

[Mitch Haley]

Donald Snook wrote:

I don't think the 442 ever had a 425.  They were either 400 or the bad boy 455.  


A little Wiki straightened me out. I think I was right about it being 1968, 
which would have been a 400 with a 4.25 stroke. I know it was not a 455.

I want to say one of his friends 'borrowed' his engine after he quit racing.
I do remember why it got crushed, somebody vandalized it. It was gone before I 
helped him crush some rusting hulks about 15 years ago (one of those was a 1963 
Comet, white with red bucket seats, the frame broke when we dragged it out of 
the weeds, I wanted to cry).


My uncle had a white 327 Camaro RS, either '67 or '68, upgraded to a 350 when 
the 327 threw a rod about 40 years ago. The only new car he ever owned. Auto 
tranny, there's no way my uncle could drive a stick.
I loved those RS headlight covers and the white vinyl seats with checkered cloth 
inserts when I was a kid. The white vinyl roof I could have done without. My 
nephew was supposed to restore the body for shop class, but it was stolen from 
the school parking lot before it was finished. He's retired now, and sorely 
wishes he had his car back. I'm thinking if he has the title we should visit 
some car shows and see if we can find it.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] DeLorean

[Rich Thomas]

His buddy probably has a really big flux capacitor in the trailer and 
they have used it for interdimensional travel, messing with aliens and 
all (who have made it clear to me that they own all the patents and 
plans for interdimensional travel mechanisms and such), and they are 
trying to suppress him.  One thing I have learned is you don't mess with 
aliens, especially the ones with the IDT technology.  Some of the other 
ones you can get away with a bit of messing, but not the IDT ones.


http://zapatopi.net/blog/mind_control/

You should make one of these for your student.
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/  or this one, which might be more appropriate  
http://www.stopabductions.com/


--R (who is never TOO careful)

Curt Raymond wrote:

I had a guy in class last week that could be politely described as a nut.
He's convinced over-unity (perpetual motion) devices exist and are suppressed by the government. He 
says he knows a guy with an electric car which pulls a trailer containing a high voltage, 
high current (his words) generator that at highway speed Makes enough electricity to 
power the car and charge the batteries...

Anyway 2 cases he cites to further his stories are Tucker and Delorean. Well until I said But 
Keith, the Delorean was crap. I followed with A fiberglass body and stainless steel 
cladding plus a poorly made underpowered GM V6... He shut up quick on that one.

Later told us about his alien abduction. One of his coworkers was in the class 
too and says he talks about stuff like that all the time.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:28:51 -0600
From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com
To: 'Mercedes@okiebenz.com' Mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] DeLorean
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

I
went up to my Indy's yesterday to sign some paperwork for the sale of
the BMW and he was working on a DeLorean.  It was a customer's car. 
The guy has owned it since new, it was an '82 - which is, I think, the

last year they made them.  What a cool looking car and what a odd thing
to see in Wichita, KS.  They were really crappy cars, but very
interesting and unique!

Donald H. Snook


  
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Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123

[David Bruckmann]

If the car isn't sagging too much, this is very likely the rear 
accumulators/spheres. They don't last forever. Definitely a DIY job.

andrew strasfogel wrote:

Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:43 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123

My 83 wagon (with the 85 transmission) is pure joy to drive, although it
takes the bumps a bit harshly in the rear (can't figure out why) and the
fuel economy is disappointing for stop and go driving.
The 85 wagon is buried under 33 of snow.  I should be able to extricate
it by early March, if I am lucky.

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Re: [MBZ] DeLorean

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

Very funny stuff!

-Max 

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:14 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] DeLorean

His buddy probably has a really big flux capacitor in the trailer and
they have used it for interdimensional travel, messing with aliens and
all (who have made it clear to me that they own all the patents and
plans for interdimensional travel mechanisms and such), and they are
trying to suppress him.  One thing I have learned is you don't mess with
aliens, especially the ones with the IDT technology.  Some of the other
ones you can get away with a bit of messing, but not the IDT ones.

http://zapatopi.net/blog/mind_control/

You should make one of these for your student.
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/  or this one, which might be more appropriate
http://www.stopabductions.com/

--R (who is never TOO careful)

Curt Raymond wrote:
 I had a guy in class last week that could be politely described as a
nut.
 He's convinced over-unity (perpetual motion) devices exist and are
suppressed by the government. He says he knows a guy with an electric
car which pulls a trailer containing a high voltage, high current (his
words) generator that at highway speed Makes enough electricity to
power the car and charge the batteries...

 Anyway 2 cases he cites to further his stories are Tucker and
Delorean. Well until I said But Keith, the Delorean was crap. I
followed with A fiberglass body and stainless steel cladding plus a
poorly made underpowered GM V6... He shut up quick on that one.

 Later told us about his alien abduction. One of his coworkers was in
the class too and says he talks about stuff like that all the time.

 -Curt

 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:28:51 -0600
 From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com
 To: 'Mercedes@okiebenz.com' Mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: [MBZ] DeLorean
 Message-ID:
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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

 I
 went up to my Indy's yesterday to sign some paperwork for the sale of 
 the BMW and he was working on a DeLorean.  It was a customer's car.
 The guy has owned it since new, it was an '82 - which is, I think, the

 last year they made them.  What a cool looking car and what a odd 
 thing to see in Wichita, KS.  They were really crappy cars, but very 
 interesting and unique!

 Donald H. Snook


   
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Re: [MBZ] Steering box replacement

[Peter Frederick]

I'd plan a replacement, as there are not parts available for repair (they are 
matched at the factory, no way to provide a standard part!).  Of couse, they 
usually last the life of the rest of the vehicle, so it's not really a hardship.

Do crawl under and check the condition of the tie rods, drag link, idler arm 
bushings, and steering coupler before you decided you have play in the steering 
box, though. All of the above will give play at the steering wheel.  A bad 
damper will cause noise and vibration, and eventually allow the vibration to 
kill the rest the steering.

Peter


-Original Message-
From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,
   53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil
Sent: Feb 16, 2010 6:32 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Steering box replacement

Peter,

Thanks - I've stored a copy of your email away for future use.  My
wagon's steering box has play and I suspect a replacement is in my
future...

-Max 

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 6:30 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Steering box replacement

Got the steering box replaced last night.  Was easier than I was
fearing, but still a hassle since I'm way out of shape and my left arm
is weak from the accident (and my failure to strengthen it up).

Took about 3.5 hours, but this includes replacement of drag link and  
right tie rod (did the left one earlier) and a new steering damper.   
I think the drag link and tie rod may have been OK, but it's too cheap
to risk beating a new one to death by leaving old ones of unknown
condition in place.

The box is HEAVY for a fat old man lying on a creeper on the floor -- I
suspect it might be easier on a lift.  It would be much easier if you
can hold 60 lbs in one hand for an hour or so

Key points:

Everything is keyed, so you can't get it in way off center.  The  
coupler has a square for the column side, with a notch for the bolt.   
There is a notch on the other side for the bolt, too, so you can't get
it on wrong.  Ditto for Pitman arm.  You should measure the distance
from the lower bearing on the pitman arm, as it can be moved up and down
a bit, but it won't go on wrong.

The bolt for the column side requires a LONG extension (at least 12,
more is better), but it's not bad.  The coupling came of very easily,
and the box comes out the bottom easily.  We used an impact wrench on
the three frame to box bolts, it's not easy to reach them otherwise
without a long extension, and that's too floppy.

Going back in, you MUST put the bolt in the upper coupler hole BEFORE
you put the bolts holding the box to the frame, as it's impossible to
push the column into the coupler once the box is bolted on.

I suppose one person can do this if you have a lift, but it took three
of use (my brother holding the box up with a loop of rope, me  
guiding things on the floor, and my nephew putting the bolts in).   
One the floor, it's not possible to hold the box up AND reach the bolts,
although on a lilt I think you could.

It drives like a new car, even though I don't have the alignment done
yet (very close, doesn't pull at all but the wheel is crooked).  I had
forgotten how quiet a W124 is supposed to be, no tire or suspension
noise on normal roads unless actually hitting a bump or hole.  No
wander, no crosswind sensetivity, it's great.

I just wish I'd done this a couple years ago!

Now I need to do all the links and mounts in the back and put an
evaporator in.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] DeLorean

[pm7088]

I'm thinking they used Renault engines. 


-- 

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- Original Message - 
From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com 
To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:25:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] DeLorean 

I had a guy in class last week that could be politely described as a nut. 
He's convinced over-unity (perpetual motion) devices exist and are suppressed 
by the government. He says he knows a guy with an electric car which pulls a 
trailer containing a high voltage, high current (his words) generator that at 
highway speed Makes enough electricity to power the car and charge the 
batteries... 

Anyway 2 cases he cites to further his stories are Tucker and Delorean. Well 
until I said But Keith, the Delorean was crap. I followed with A fiberglass 
body and stainless steel cladding plus a poorly made underpowered GM V6... He 
shut up quick on that one. 

Later told us about his alien abduction. One of his coworkers was in the class 
too and says he talks about stuff like that all the time. 

-Curt 

Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:28:51 -0600 
From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com 
To: 'Mercedes@okiebenz.com' Mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Subject: [MBZ] DeLorean 
Message-ID: 
a0121bfa28702c4fa69fc5d9ceb56d08a146564...@mtsqhexc2.mtsqh.com 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 

I 
went up to my Indy's yesterday to sign some paperwork for the sale of 
the BMW and he was working on a DeLorean. It was a customer's car. 
The guy has owned it since new, it was an '82 - which is, I think, the 
last year they made them. What a cool looking car and what a odd thing 
to see in Wichita, KS. They were really crappy cars, but very 
interesting and unique! 

Donald H. Snook 



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Re: [MBZ] DeLorean

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:25 AM,  pm7...@comcast.net wrote:
 I'm thinking they used Renault engines.


Almost, it's commonly known as the PRV V-6, for
Peugeot-Renault-Volvo who designed it together and each used it in
some of their cars.  Not a bad engine, but not a particularly good one
either.

The Delorean was a pretty slow, bad-handling car as sold, but
according to reports both can be rectified.  There's room to put in
just about any engine and transaxle, e.g. a Cadillac Northstar V-8.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Steering box replacement

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

I've already rebuilt the idler arm, and checked for play at drag link
and tie rods (none that I could find).  I've got new tie rods and drag
link ready to install (and I think a new damper as well) but no time for
this car while 'Old Blue' is soaking up all my repair time and $.

Last year I had my indie try to adjust the steering box, which helped a
little, but it still has way too much play in my opinion.  When I watch
the steering box while my lovely assistant turns the steering wheel, I
can see the steering column move with no corresponding movement from the
pitman arm.  My 123 wagon had less play than this car!

-Max 

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:16 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Steering box replacement

I'd plan a replacement, as there are not parts available for repair
(they are matched at the factory, no way to provide a standard part!).
Of couse, they usually last the life of the rest of the vehicle, so it's
not really a hardship.

Do crawl under and check the condition of the tie rods, drag link, idler
arm bushings, and steering coupler before you decided you have play in
the steering box, though. All of the above will give play at the
steering wheel.  A bad damper will cause noise and vibration, and
eventually allow the vibration to kill the rest the steering.

Peter


-Original Message-
From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,
   53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil
Sent: Feb 16, 2010 6:32 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Steering box replacement

Peter,

Thanks - I've stored a copy of your email away for future use.  My 
wagon's steering box has play and I suspect a replacement is in my 
future...

-Max

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 6:30 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Steering box replacement

Got the steering box replaced last night.  Was easier than I was 
fearing, but still a hassle since I'm way out of shape and my left arm 
is weak from the accident (and my failure to strengthen it up).

Took about 3.5 hours, but this includes replacement of drag link and  
right tie rod (did the left one earlier) and a new steering damper.   
I think the drag link and tie rod may have been OK, but it's too cheap 
to risk beating a new one to death by leaving old ones of unknown 
condition in place.

The box is HEAVY for a fat old man lying on a creeper on the floor -- I

suspect it might be easier on a lift.  It would be much easier if you 
can hold 60 lbs in one hand for an hour or so

Key points:

Everything is keyed, so you can't get it in way off center.  The  
coupler has a square for the column side, with a notch for the bolt.   
There is a notch on the other side for the bolt, too, so you can't get 
it on wrong.  Ditto for Pitman arm.  You should measure the distance 
from the lower bearing on the pitman arm, as it can be moved up and 
down a bit, but it won't go on wrong.

The bolt for the column side requires a LONG extension (at least 12, 
more is better), but it's not bad.  The coupling came of very easily, 
and the box comes out the bottom easily.  We used an impact wrench on 
the three frame to box bolts, it's not easy to reach them otherwise 
without a long extension, and that's too floppy.

Going back in, you MUST put the bolt in the upper coupler hole BEFORE 
you put the bolts holding the box to the frame, as it's impossible to 
push the column into the coupler once the box is bolted on.

I suppose one person can do this if you have a lift, but it took three 
of use (my brother holding the box up with a loop of rope, me
guiding things on the floor, and my nephew putting the bolts in).   
One the floor, it's not possible to hold the box up AND reach the 
bolts, although on a lilt I think you could.

It drives like a new car, even though I don't have the alignment done 
yet (very close, doesn't pull at all but the wheel is crooked).  I had 
forgotten how quiet a W124 is supposed to be, no tire or suspension 
noise on normal roads unless actually hitting a bump or hole.  No 
wander, no crosswind sensetivity, it's great.

I just wish I'd done this a couple years ago!

Now I need to do all the links and mounts in the back and put an 
evaporator in.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Best W123?

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:32 AM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote:
 Agreed on the W126.  My wife dubbed it a barcolounger on wheels...

 Especially after you rebuild the suspension.

Which brings up a significant difference between the 124 and 123
chassis, in my book, which I don't think anyone else has mentioned.
The 124 is not exactly fragile, but it is much less tolerant of poor
maintenance.

Take the suspension, for example.  We all know all the rubber and
associated wear parts in Mercedes suspensions ought to be replaced
every 100K mi or so (although you can push it to 200K if you don't
live in San Francisco or some other potholey place).

A well-kept-up 123 is a pleasure to drive, and a neglected one handles
a bit less easily and rides a bit less smoothly.  Now compare this to
the 124: one with a well-maintained suspension is more fun than a
barrel of monkeys on a twisty road, but one with a worn-out suspension
is not just uncomfortable and unpleasant but downright dangerous.
That clever multi-link rear suspension design that helps the 124's
rear tires stay planted through a turn becomes a floppy, unpredictable
mess when it gets old.  It's like an old rear-engine Porsche---letting
up on the accelerator in a corner means certain doom.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] happy birthday, Snook

[Wonko the Sane]

Facebook.

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote:

 Lt. Don,

 Thank you!  But, how did you know it was my birthday, yesterday?

 Donald H. Snook

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[MBZ] Gumptastic W115 for Kevin K.

[Alex Chamberlain]

http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1602599145.html

'76 240D... are these the ones with the icky oil bath air filter (as
in every time you change it you take a bath in oil)?  I wonder how
rusty it is, and whether the blower fan works?  What else should I
look for if I go and take a look at it?

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Gumptastic W115 for Kevin K.

[WILTON]

40 mpg, too.

Wilton

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Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:55 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Gumptastic W115 for Kevin K.



http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1602599145.html

'76 240D... are these the ones with the icky oil bath air filter (as
in every time you change it you take a bath in oil)?  I wonder how
rusty it is, and whether the blower fan works?  What else should I
look for if I go and take a look at it?

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:51 AM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote:
 The mechanical linkage is dead, gone and unable to be
 resurrected;mandated
 traction control has seen to it.

Ridiculous.  The two have nothing to do with each other, though car
company accountants and marketeers would probably like you to think
otherwise.  The electronic stability brain needs a couple of inputs
and a couple of outputs.  Inputs include pitch/yaw sensors, wheel
speed, throttle position, and steering wheel position.  Outputs can
include engine power reduction, selective braking, and/or selective
transfer of torque to a wheel or wheels.  None of these require the
computer to have control over the throttle.  Engine power reduction
can be accomplished by retarding timing, cutting spark to a cylinder
(in the case of a gas engine), or cutting fuel to a cylinder (in
diesels or in gassers).  Selective transfer of torque among wheels can
be accomplished by application of brakes to one wheel forcing torque
to the other side on the same axle (given an open differential), or by
electromagnetic clutch packs.  None of this prevents manual control of
the accelerator by the driver, including the ability to close the
throttle completely (or stomp on the brakes!) to slow the car
regardless of what the computers want to do.

Electronic throttle control is an artifact of cost-cutting.  It's
cheaper to have one embedded computer controlling the entire car and
connected to everything via fiber optic bundles than to have discrete
electromechanical systems as in our beloved '80s Benzes.

 I am hoping that we don't see some sort of overreaction which
 brings parity
 between the QC (and QC regulations) of automobile
 parts/repairs andthose of
 airplanes.

I'm much more interested in seeing some kind of mandatory licensing
based on competence for software engineers.  Anyone who has worked in
high-tech knows that the majority of programmers are barely competent,
and that there are no accepted or enforced standards for testing their
work.  And we trust our lives to these people every time we get in a
modern car.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] DeLorean

[Curt Raymond]

Damn, you're mostly right. Its even worse, the engine was a combo 
Peugeot/Renault/Volvo monstrosity. How did I forget that? 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeLorean_DMC-12
Lowers my opinion of the car even more.
2700# car with a 170hp engine that was brought down for the US to around 
140hp... RT measured 10.5 sec 0-60...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:25:41 + (UTC)
From: pm7...@comcast.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] DeLorean
Message-ID:
    
1768085505.4890131266341141072.javamail.r...@sz0127a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net
    
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

I'm thinking they used Renault engines. 


-- 

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Windsor, CT 

- Original Message - 
From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com 
To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:25:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] DeLorean 

I had a guy in class last week that could be politely described as a nut. 
He's
convinced over-unity (perpetual motion) devices exist and are
suppressed by the government. He says he knows a guy with an electric
car which pulls a trailer containing a high voltage, high current
(his words) generator that at highway speed Makes enough electricity
to power the car and charge the batteries... 

Anyway 2 cases
he cites to further his stories are Tucker and Delorean. Well until I
said But Keith, the Delorean was crap. I followed with A fiberglass
body and stainless steel cladding plus a poorly made underpowered GM
V6... He shut up quick on that one. 

Later told us about his
alien abduction. One of his coworkers was in the class too and says he
talks about stuff like that all the time. 

-Curt 



  
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Re: [MBZ] DeLorean

[Gary Hurst]

northstar would be a nice step up!



On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Alex Chamberlain
apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:25 AM,  pm7...@comcast.net wrote:
  I'm thinking they used Renault engines.
 

 Almost, it's commonly known as the PRV V-6, for
 Peugeot-Renault-Volvo who designed it together and each used it in
 some of their cars.  Not a bad engine, but not a particularly good one
 either.

 The Delorean was a pretty slow, bad-handling car as sold, but
 according to reports both can be rectified.  There's room to put in
 just about any engine and transaxle, e.g. a Cadillac Northstar V-8.

 Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Any other fans of the 600 SWB ?

[andrew strasfogel]

I like to look at the winning bidders and wonder HTF they came up with $70K
for a car that retailed for $4200 40 years ago that was a POS within 3
months of leaving the dealer's lot.



On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Donald Snook wrote:

 I don't think the 442 ever had a 425.  They were either 400 or the bad boy
 455.


 A little Wiki straightened me out. I think I was right about it being 1968,
 which would have been a 400 with a 4.25 stroke. I know it was not a 455.
 I want to say one of his friends 'borrowed' his engine after he quit
 racing.
 I do remember why it got crushed, somebody vandalized it. It was gone
 before I helped him crush some rusting hulks about 15 years ago (one of
 those was a 1963 Comet, white with red bucket seats, the frame broke when we
 dragged it out of the weeds, I wanted to cry).

 My uncle had a white 327 Camaro RS, either '67 or '68, upgraded to a 350
 when the 327 threw a rod about 40 years ago. The only new car he ever owned.
 Auto tranny, there's no way my uncle could drive a stick.
 I loved those RS headlight covers and the white vinyl seats with checkered
 cloth inserts when I was a kid. The white vinyl roof I could have done
 without. My nephew was supposed to restore the body for shop class, but it
 was stolen from the school parking lot before it was finished. He's retired
 now, and sorely wishes he had his car back. I'm thinking if he has the title
 we should visit some car shows and see if we can find it.

 Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123

[andrew strasfogel]

Both were replaced a few thousand/ 2 years ago with one new and one
supposedly good used one.  If the used one went bad, would the symptoms be
the same with TWO bad asccumulators?

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:25 AM, David Bruckmann 
bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote:

 If the car isn't sagging too much, this is very likely the rear
 accumulators/spheres. They don't last forever. Definitely a DIY job.

 andrew strasfogel wrote:

 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:43 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123
 
 My 83 wagon (with the 85 transmission) is pure joy to drive, although it
 takes the bumps a bit harshly in the rear (can't figure out why) and the
 fuel economy is disappointing for stop and go driving.
 The 85 wagon is buried under 33 of snow.  I should be able to extricate
 it by early March, if I am lucky.

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Re: [MBZ] happy birthday, Snook

[andrew strasfogel]

Diabolical!

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 Facebook.

 On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote:

  Lt. Don,
 
  Thank you!  But, how did you know it was my birthday, yesterday?
 
  Donald H. Snook
 
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Re: [MBZ] The wonderful 300 SDL

[andrew strasfogel]

ZD???

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:56 AM, harry watkins harry...@bellsouth.netwrote:

 The 300 SDL is the best driving car I've owned and beats all the others in
 fuel economy.

 I've owned two 86 SDLs, an 85 TD, 85 300D Euro and an 81 240D manual Trans.
  The TD was second best for me, the wife liked the 240D.

 I believe the 86 SDL (non-CA) is the one that has less chance of blown
 heads and gaskets because it never had the oxidizer installed.  I use Evans
 Waterless Antifreeze also and I think that gives me an edge from having head
 problems.

 The one I have now is within five or six minor problems from being ZD.
  However, I doubt that will ever be.

 Thanks
 Harry
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Re: [MBZ] DeLorean

[andrew strasfogel]

Not to mention the ones who have overstayed their work visas!

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 His buddy probably has a really big flux capacitor in the trailer and they
 have used it for interdimensional travel, messing with aliens and all (who
 have made it clear to me that they own all the patents and plans for
 interdimensional travel mechanisms and such), and they are trying to
 suppress him.  One thing I have learned is you don't mess with aliens,
 especially the ones with the IDT technology.  Some of the other ones you can
 get away with a bit of messing, but not the IDT ones.

 http://zapatopi.net/blog/mind_control/

 You should make one of these for your student.
 http://zapatopi.net/afdb/  or this one, which might be more appropriate
 http://www.stopabductions.com/

 --R (who is never TOO careful)


 Curt Raymond wrote:

 I had a guy in class last week that could be politely described as a
 nut.
 He's convinced over-unity (perpetual motion) devices exist and are
 suppressed by the government. He says he knows a guy with an electric car
 which pulls a trailer containing a high voltage, high current (his words)
 generator that at highway speed Makes enough electricity to power the car
 and charge the batteries...

 Anyway 2 cases he cites to further his stories are Tucker and Delorean.
 Well until I said But Keith, the Delorean was crap. I followed with A
 fiberglass body and stainless steel cladding plus a poorly made underpowered
 GM V6... He shut up quick on that one.

 Later told us about his alien abduction. One of his coworkers was in the
 class too and says he talks about stuff like that all the time.

 -Curt

 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:28:51 -0600
 From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com
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 I
 went up to my Indy's yesterday to sign some paperwork for the sale of
 the BMW and he was working on a DeLorean.  It was a customer's car. The
 guy has owned it since new, it was an '82 - which is, I think, the
 last year they made them.  What a cool looking car and what a odd thing
 to see in Wichita, KS.  They were really crappy cars, but very
 interesting and unique!

 Donald H. Snook


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[MBZ] OT: for those who grew up in the 8-bit age

[Alex Chamberlain]

http://promos.asus.com/US/EeePC_Pinetrail/index.html

Who else remembers when chiclet was a term of derision for certain
computer keyboards, rather than something a company would call
attention to in their advertising?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: for those who grew up in the 8-bit age

[Gary Hurst]

wasn't that the first thing screamed about on teh pc junior?

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apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote:

 http://promos.asus.com/US/EeePC_Pinetrail/index.html

 Who else remembers when chiclet was a term of derision for certain
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Re: [MBZ] OT: for those who grew up in the 8-bit age

[Mitch Haley]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:

http://promos.asus.com/US/EeePC_Pinetrail/index.html

Who else remembers when chiclet was a term of derision for certain
computer keyboards, rather than something a company would call
attention to in their advertising?


but that one's only 92% chiclet.
Wasn't 'Chiclet' the term for the Tandy 1000's flat white keyboard?
My Tandy's keyboard is much bigger than a 10 diagonal netbook.
The advertising slogan for netbooks should be easier to type on than a 
smartphone.
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: for those who grew up in the 8-bit age

[Mitch Haley]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:

http://promos.asus.com/US/EeePC_Pinetrail/index.html

Who else remembers when chiclet was a term of derision for certain
computer keyboards, rather than something a company would call
attention to in their advertising?


Looks like I was wrong, chiclet was a reference to the keyswitch construction 
used, among other things, in the PCjr:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/139100/the_10_worst_pc_keyboards_of_all_time.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT: for those who grew up in the 8-bit age

[Peter Frederick]

Bother that, I can remember when an IBM Selectric typewriter was an object of 
admiration!  The first one, not the Selectric II.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT: for those who grew up in the 8-bit age

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote:
 Bother that, I can remember when an IBM Selectric typewriter
 was an object of admiration!  The first one, not the Selectric II.

Well, sure.  They still are.  That's why those in the know refer to
the apostrophe-next-to-the-semicolon organization of keys as the
Selectric layout.

My point was the irony of the Asus ad.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] OT: for those who grew up in the 8-bit age

[Gary Hurst]

i liked em all.  i still even have a broken selectric 3 that i got for very
cheap that i've been lugging around for 25 years

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote:

 Bother that, I can remember when an IBM Selectric typewriter was an object
 of admiration!  The first one, not the Selectric II.

 Peter

 -Original Message-
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 Subject: [MBZ] OT: for those who grew up in the 8-bit age
 
 http://promos.asus.com/US/EeePC_Pinetrail/index.html
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: for those who grew up in the 8-bit age

[Gary Hurst]

everyone got that, i think.  the rest is just nostalgic reminiscences.

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Alex Chamberlain
apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net
 wrote:
  Bother that, I can remember when an IBM Selectric typewriter
  was an object of admiration!  The first one, not the Selectric II.

 Well, sure.  They still are.  That's why those in the know refer to
 the apostrophe-next-to-the-semicolon organization of keys as the
 Selectric layout.

 My point was the irony of the Asus ad.

 Alex

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Re: [MBZ] OT: for those who grew up in the 8-bit age

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
 Looks like I was wrong, chiclet was a reference to the keyswitch
 construction used, among other things, in the PCjr:

I'm pretty sure the term was in common usage (at least in the
magazines of the time that catered to the 8-bit home computer market,
like Creative Computing and Compute) before the PCjr, but it
certainly popularized, if that's the word, the idea.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] OT: for those who grew up in the 8-bit age

[R A Bennell]

I have a nice blue Selectric II. Needs to be cleaned and oiled.

Also have a nice tan Actionwriter I. Daisy wheel rather than a ball. 

Randy

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i liked em all.  i still even have a broken selectric 3 that i got for very
cheap that i've been lugging around for 25 years

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote:

 Bother that, I can remember when an IBM Selectric typewriter was an object
 of admiration!  The first one, not the Selectric II.

 Peter

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 http://promos.asus.com/US/EeePC_Pinetrail/index.html
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: for those who grew up in the 8-bit age

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

When some of us grew up, Chiclets were little white squares that you chewed.
Dwight-(not that old.)

Bissell Cove Quahog  Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852
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Re: [MBZ] OT: for those who grew up in the 8-bit age

[andrew strasfogel]

We splurged on the PC Junior a year after it came out, and went into hock to
purchase a model with bells and whistles (such as A and B drives).  It cost
about $1500 IIRC, which is equivalent to maybe $3K 25 years later.   This
turned out to be a great investment, because it got our son interested in
computers at an early age (he was 5 at the time).  He has been able to
secure high-paying jobs in the field largely from being self-taught, though
lacking a college degree.



On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:33 PM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote:

 I have a nice blue Selectric II. Needs to be cleaned and oiled.

 Also have a nice tan Actionwriter I. Daisy wheel rather than a ball.

 Randy

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 [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Gary Hurst
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:19 PM
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  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: for those who grew up in the 8-bit age


 i liked em all.  i still even have a broken selectric 3 that i got for very
 cheap that i've been lugging around for 25 years

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 wrote:

  Bother that, I can remember when an IBM Selectric typewriter was an
 object
  of admiration!  The first one, not the Selectric II.
 
  Peter
 
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Re: [MBZ] DeLorean

[E M]

Just keep it as it is, easy enough to get parts for and service in it's
original configuration.  Even though never a great car, still a part of
automotive history and worth preserving as they were made.  If you really
want/need a V8, it's a Ferrari you want anyway, not a DeLorean.

Ed
300E

On 16 February 2010 14:14, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 northstar would be a nice step up!



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 apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote:

  On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:25 AM,  pm7...@comcast.net wrote:
   I'm thinking they used Renault engines.
  
 
  Almost, it's commonly known as the PRV V-6, for
  Peugeot-Renault-Volvo who designed it together and each used it in
  some of their cars.  Not a bad engine, but not a particularly good one
  either.
 
  The Delorean was a pretty slow, bad-handling car as sold, but
  according to reports both can be rectified.  There's room to put in
  just about any engine and transaxle, e.g. a Cadillac Northstar V-8.
 
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Re: [MBZ] DeLorean

[andrew strasfogel]

I absolutely DESPISE those customized monstrosities that get top $$ at the
auctions.

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:40 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just keep it as it is, easy enough to get parts for and service in it's
 original configuration.  Even though never a great car, still a part of
 automotive history and worth preserving as they were made.  If you really
 want/need a V8, it's a Ferrari you want anyway, not a DeLorean.

 Ed
 300E

 On 16 February 2010 14:14, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

  northstar would be a nice step up!
 
 
 
  On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Alex Chamberlain
  apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote:
 
   On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:25 AM,  pm7...@comcast.net wrote:
I'm thinking they used Renault engines.
   
  
   Almost, it's commonly known as the PRV V-6, for
   Peugeot-Renault-Volvo who designed it together and each used it in
   some of their cars.  Not a bad engine, but not a particularly good one
   either.
  
   The Delorean was a pretty slow, bad-handling car as sold, but
   according to reports both can be rectified.  There's room to put in
   just about any engine and transaxle, e.g. a Cadillac Northstar V-8.
  
   Alex
  
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Re: [MBZ] Gumptastic W115 for Kevin K.

[Redghost]

That thing never had AC.  It is sort of Gumptastic though. Little  
better condition than Gump was when I got her.   Low miles are nice.   
Wonder how well the engine has been kept.


clay


On Feb 16, 2010, at 9:59 AM, WILTON wrote:


40 mpg, too.

Wilton

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http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1602599145.html
'76 240D... are these the ones with the icky oil bath air filter (as
in every time you change it you take a bath in oil)?  I wonder how
rusty it is, and whether the blower fan works?  What else should I
look for if I go and take a look at it?
Alex
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Re: [MBZ] The wonderful 300 SDL

[Rich Thomas]

Clearly not an engineer.  Zero Defects.

--R

andrew strasfogel wrote:

ZD???

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:56 AM, harry watkins harry...@bellsouth.netwrote:

  

The 300 SDL is the best driving car I've owned and beats all the others in
fuel economy.

I've owned two 86 SDLs, an 85 TD, 85 300D Euro and an 81 240D manual Trans.
 The TD was second best for me, the wife liked the 240D.

I believe the 86 SDL (non-CA) is the one that has less chance of blown
heads and gaskets because it never had the oxidizer installed.  I use Evans
Waterless Antifreeze also and I think that gives me an edge from having head
problems.

The one I have now is within five or six minor problems from being ZD.
 However, I doubt that will ever be.

Thanks
Harry
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Re: [MBZ] DeLorean

[pm7088]

Well, I like some of them. At B/J this year there were several mid fifty's 
Chebbies that looked to be 100% stock but had in fact been upgraded with modern 
power and suspension. I'm thinking they would be wonderful drivers . 


-- 

Peter Arnold 

Windsor, CT 

- Original Message - 
From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com 
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 3:45:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] DeLorean 

I absolutely DESPISE those customized monstrosities that get top $$ at the 
auctions. 

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Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

[John Reames]

How does one go about engine power reduction without having emissions  
violations when the accelerator is mechanical?


I'm a compression ignition sort, but in efi gassers, doesn't the  
linkage go to a butterfly valve in the intake, and the ecu adjusts the  
mixture per sensory inputs so as to comply with emissions  
regulations?  Doesn't leaning the mixture raise flame temperatures,  
increasing NOx emissions?


With diesels, and a mechanically linked pump, you'd have to cut the  
airflow... Drastically increasing particulate emissions due to  
incomplete combustion (since diesels usually have excess air...).  
Having an electronic input (even via actuator) to a mechanically  
linked IP would throw in all sorts of reliability issues when compared  
to an electronically governed one...


--
John W Reames
jwrea...@comcast.net
Home: +14106646986
Mobile: +14437915905

On Feb 16, 2010, at 13:12, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com  
wrote:


On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:51 AM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net  
wrote:

The mechanical linkage is dead, gone and unable to be
resurrected;mandated
traction control has seen to it.


Ridiculous.  The two have nothing to do with each other, though car
company accountants and marketeers would probably like you to think
otherwise.  The electronic stability brain needs a couple of inputs
and a couple of outputs.  Inputs include pitch/yaw sensors, wheel
speed, throttle position, and steering wheel position.  Outputs can
include engine power reduction, selective braking, and/or selective
transfer of torque to a wheel or wheels.  None of these require the
computer to have control over the throttle.  Engine power reduction
can be accomplished by retarding timing, cutting spark to a cylinder
(in the case of a gas engine), or cutting fuel to a cylinder (in
diesels or in gassers).  Selective transfer of torque among wheels can
be accomplished by application of brakes to one wheel forcing torque
to the other side on the same axle (given an open differential), or by
electromagnetic clutch packs.  None of this prevents manual control of
the accelerator by the driver, including the ability to close the
throttle completely (or stomp on the brakes!) to slow the car
regardless of what the computers want to do.

Electronic throttle control is an artifact of cost-cutting.  It's
cheaper to have one embedded computer controlling the entire car and
connected to everything via fiber optic bundles than to have discrete
electromechanical systems as in our beloved '80s Benzes.


I am hoping that we don't see some sort of overreaction which
brings parity
between the QC (and QC regulations) of automobile
parts/repairs andthose of
airplanes.


I'm much more interested in seeing some kind of mandatory licensing
based on competence for software engineers.  Anyone who has worked in
high-tech knows that the majority of programmers are barely competent,
and that there are no accepted or enforced standards for testing their
work.  And we trust our lives to these people every time we get in a
modern car.

Alex

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[MBZ] Wanted to trade 300Dt for pinball machine

[Mitch Haley]

Oh, Poos!
(although I say I'm outside of Olivet, my address is Charlotte, so this one is 
nearby)


http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/1602471479.html

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Re: [MBZ] The wonderful 300 SDL

[andrew strasfogel]

No, but I am quite conversant in a variety of disciplines (a mile wide, an
inch deep) and have NEVER come across ZD before.

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 Clearly not an engineer.  Zero Defects.

 --R

 andrew strasfogel wrote:

 ZD???

 On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:56 AM, harry watkins harry...@bellsouth.net
 wrote:



 The 300 SDL is the best driving car I've owned and beats all the others
 in
 fuel economy.

 I've owned two 86 SDLs, an 85 TD, 85 300D Euro and an 81 240D manual
 Trans.
  The TD was second best for me, the wife liked the 240D.

 I believe the 86 SDL (non-CA) is the one that has less chance of blown
 heads and gaskets because it never had the oxidizer installed.  I use
 Evans
 Waterless Antifreeze also and I think that gives me an edge from having
 head
 problems.

 The one I have now is within five or six minor problems from being ZD.
  However, I doubt that will ever be.

 Thanks
 Harry
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Re: [MBZ] OT: for those who grew up in the 8-bit age

[John Reames]

Chicklet... As used in conjunction with peanut (as a stark contrast  
to a model M...)



--
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On Feb 16, 2010, at 14:41, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com  
wrote:



http://promos.asus.com/US/EeePC_Pinetrail/index.html

Who else remembers when chiclet was a term of derision for certain
computer keyboards, rather than something a company would call
attention to in their advertising?

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Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

[Tim C]

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Alex Chamberlain
apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm much more interested in seeing some kind of mandatory licensing
 based on competence for software engineers.  Anyone who has worked in

Funny you should mention it, but in NC advertising the term engineer
is restricted to those who are licensed.  In fact, one of the duties
of my Professional Engineer license (which is currently inactive, I
feel obliged to mention :) is to turn in anyone who is not licensed
and uses the term.  I once drafted a letter citing one day's numerous
Craigslist postings of MCSEngineers and software engineers, but
didn't follow through.

It seems to me that the PE licensing folks have done a reasonable job
trying to incorporate computer engineering items into the license, or
at least when I took the FE and PE in 2006 (2005?) there were a number
of computer-specific things on the EE and general exams.  However, I
don't know if any current Computer Science curriculum would be
adequate to train folks in the comprehensive questions, and I don't
think the licensing board would be willing to overlook the knowledge
deficiency.

In any case, someone working as an engineer whose work affects the
health and safety of the public - which I think would necessarily
apply to an automotive programmer (but maybe not contractors?) -
should already be required to be registered by the statutes in NC and
presumably in most other places.  I work in networking and could make
a good argument for network equipment carrying similar weight,
especially in medical applications, but of the 80+ people at my site
only two of us have PEs, and neither of us is a system programmer.

 high-tech knows that the majority of programmers are barely competent,

True that.  On the other hand licensure does not necessarily imply
competence, or at least any greater than barely.  It does indicate
that the licensee has agreed to uphold the health and well-being of
the public (at least in the NC PE case) so that is arguably better
than someone who is willing to disregard the same.  This, BTW, is why
I don't work in construction. :)

 and that there are no accepted or enforced standards for testing their

A handful of standard software testing methods are accepted, but I
don't know of -any- company with effective enforcement.

-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] OT: for those who grew up in the 8-bit age

[R A Bennell]

A good friend bought an IBM PC with the add on board to get to 640K of Memory 
(if my memory is correct), the nice
green flickery monitor, 2 floppy drives etc for the measly sum of something 
like $6,500. Remember this is in Canada
and he no doubt paid through the nose at the time. I think that was early 80's. 
He gave it to me only a handful of
years later for the cost of having it shipped from Vancouver to Winnipeg ($156 
by courier if memory serves to be
correct). My sons, esp the elder, now 25, recall playing a simple game on it 
called JumpJoe where you had to find
ways for a stick like character to get from one spot to another without falling 
off etc.

Randy who also remembers having $800 in RAM and only 8K of the same

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:37 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: for those who grew up in the 8-bit age


We splurged on the PC Junior a year after it came out, and went into hock to
purchase a model with bells and whistles (such as A and B drives).  It cost
about $1500 IIRC, which is equivalent to maybe $3K 25 years later.   This
turned out to be a great investment, because it got our son interested in
computers at an early age (he was 5 at the time).  He has been able to
secure high-paying jobs in the field largely from being self-taught, though
lacking a college degree.



On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:33 PM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote:

 I have a nice blue Selectric II. Needs to be cleaned and oiled.

 Also have a nice tan Actionwriter I. Daisy wheel rather than a ball.

 Randy

 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
 [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Gary Hurst
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:19 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: for those who grew up in the 8-bit age


 i liked em all.  i still even have a broken selectric 3 that i got for very
 cheap that i've been lugging around for 25 years

 On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net
 wrote:

  Bother that, I can remember when an IBM Selectric typewriter was an
 object
  of admiration!  The first one, not the Selectric II.
 
  Peter
 
  -Original Message-
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  Sent: Feb 16, 2010 1:41 PM
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Subject: [MBZ] OT: for those who grew up in the 8-bit age
  
  http://promos.asus.com/US/EeePC_Pinetrail/index.html
  
  Who else remembers when chiclet was a term of derision for certain
  computer keyboards, rather than something a company would call
  attention to in their advertising?
  



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[MBZ] what's a CDI worth these days

[Mitch Haley]

Seemslike a lot of miles for $22k:
http://jxn.craigslist.org/ctd/1587657336.html

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Re: [MBZ] The wonderful 300 ZDL

[Rich Thomas]

I remember it because my dad worked for an electronics company and when 
I was 10 or12 they went on this ZD kick.  It was like the TQM of the 
60s or something.  He had a tie clip in black and gold with ZD letters 
that they passed out to all the men to clip their skinny ties to their 
short-sleeve white shirts, which I always thought was very cool.  I 
found the clip when I was cleaning out all his old stuff, have it 
somewhere.  Now I'm wishing they had ZD pencil pocket protectors too, 
that would be way cool to have.


--R

andrew strasfogel wrote:

No, but I am quite conversant in a variety of disciplines (a mile wide, an
inch deep) and have NEVER come across ZD before.

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

  

Clearly not an engineer.  Zero Defects.

--R

andrew strasfogel wrote:



ZD???

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:56 AM, harry watkins harry...@bellsouth.net
  

wrote:



  

The 300 SDL is the best driving car I've owned and beats all the others
in
fuel economy.

I've owned two 86 SDLs, an 85 TD, 85 300D Euro and an 81 240D manual
Trans.
 The TD was second best for me, the wife liked the 240D.

I believe the 86 SDL (non-CA) is the one that has less chance of blown
heads and gaskets because it never had the oxidizer installed.  I use
Evans
Waterless Antifreeze also and I think that gives me an edge from having
head
problems.

The one I have now is within five or six minor problems from being ZD.
 However, I doubt that will ever be.

Thanks
Harry
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Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

[Mitch Haley]

John Reames wrote:
How does one go about engine power reduction without having emissions 
violations when the accelerator is mechanical?


With my Achieva, it retards the timing. I don't even notice it, I'm too busy 
modulating the throttle to keep the tires lightly spinning in snow, then I look 
down and see the amber TRAC LOSS light and turn off the T/C so it will quit 
wasting gas.


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[MBZ] OT recent wood working project

[R A Bennell]

My elder son is doing his Masters in Architecture. Often, he designs, and I get 
to build, or at least cut out the
pieces.
He is working with light, reflections etc. He built what he refers to as an 
apparatus earlier and has photographed
it in the dark with the aid of a laser pointer etc to study the effects of the 
light on the mirrored glass of the
structure. Now, he needs to hang translucent paper in a big ring around the 
structure and photograph it from the
outside with light on the inside. He needed a means of hanging a wall of paper 
around this thing and came up with
the design you will see if you look at the blog. Guess who got to cut and 
assemble the pieces. I have consistently
told him to try to plan so that I can readily cut the parts out - no angles 
beyond 45 deg if possible. He generally
gets lost in the idea and then presents me with the consequences. Everything on 
this is tapered in some manner. We
did not have sufficient room in the basement to lay it out so we just gambled 
on it all fitting together once it
was done. I worked off of a full scale pattern that he printed from the CAD 
program but just measured with a tape
from the paper plan and cut accordingly. Not all that precise but it worked out 
fairly well. It is now together and
hanging and seems sturdy enough. It acutally fit pretty well - not perfect but 
pretty good. If we had more space,
we could likely have done better by laying it out in full before drilling the 
bolt holes and adjusting a wee it to
ensure it was all tight. As it is, the minimal gap that we might have avoided 
is on the top and thus not visible
when it is in use.

http://www.gbennellstudio.blogspot.com

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Gumptastic W115 for Kevin K.

[Kevin Kraly]

You've got a good one there since it gets 40MPG.  Seriously, it sounds like 
a nice project.


Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon 



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Re: [MBZ] what's a CDI worth these days

[John Robbins]

On 2/16/2010 3:09 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Seemslike a lot of miles for $22k:
http://jxn.craigslist.org/ctd/1587657336.html


Unless the CDI market has recovered from the last time I looked (when 
the stock market went sour), it's too expensive.  If it had ventilated 
seats, Sirius, HID headlights, leather, etc, etc. then it might be worth 
that.  Not as it is equipped though.  IMO anyway...


John

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[MBZ] 40k miles of CDI Ownership

[John Robbins]

Bought the CDI with 67k in April of 2008, and I'm now up to 107k!  This 
year I didn't put as many miles on it as I did last year, but that's 
changed since I just recently started dating a gal in Tuscaloosa (1.5 
drive).  With a weeknight and weekend visit that's 350 miles a week... 
It's amazing what girls can get us guys to do ;)


So far everything has been working fantastic with only minimal work 
needing to be done.  The car is still a blast to drive, and I enjoy 
every minute of it.


The only things I've replaced that weren't standard maintenance or 
something you'd expected to go out include:

--Coolant thermostat
--Auxiliary battery
--Motor mounts
--Parking brake ratcheting mechanism


http://picasaweb.google.com/TheTymbrymi/My2005E320CDI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6yA_BlWOyg

Happy motoring!
John

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[MBZ] [Fwd: Today's Diesel Prices]

[Mitch Haley]

Register Now and Save $50! EIA/SAIS 2010 Energy Conference: Short-Term Stresses, 
Long-Term Change, April 6  7, 2010.
Ronald Reagan Building and International Trade Center, Washington, DC, 
http://www.eia.doe.gov/conference/2010/.

**  **  **   *
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  **  ** * Energy Information Administration *
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   On-Highway Diesel Prices, by Week and PADD
(Self Service Cash Price in Dollars per Gallon, Including Taxes)

Diesel Prices Web URL: http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/wohdp/diesel.asp

   Average All Types

US
NATL   EASTNEWCENTLOWER   GULF   ROCKY   WEST
 DATE   AVGCOAST ENGLAND   ATL ATL   MIDWEST  COAST   MTN   COAST   CA

   PADD   PADDPADDPADDPADDPADD   PADDPADD
 I IA  IB  IC  II III IV  V
--  -  - ---  -   -  ---  -  -  -  -

100215  2.756  2.809  2.991   2.905   2.751   2.705   2.718  2.777  2.846  2.902
100208  2.769  2.819  3.014   2.920   2.757   2.724   2.729  2.782  2.860  2.920
100201  2.781  2.832  3.017   2.926   2.775   2.731   2.744  2.797  2.876  2.950
100125  2.833  2.883  3.055   2.986   2.823   2.790   2.800  2.817  2.915  2.987
100118  2.870  2.923  3.065   3.023   2.867   2.834   2.831  2.827  2.947  3.008
100111  2.879  2.922  3.068   3.026   2.864   2.844   2.846  2.814  2.971  3.032
100104  2.797  2.827  2.935   2.932   2.772   2.771   2.750  2.746  2.908  2.959
091228  2.732  2.749  2.862   2.857   2.693   2.707   2.689  2.728  2.841  2.902
091221  2.726  2.740  2.853   2.841   2.687   2.708   2.680  2.740  2.825  2.891
091214  2.748  2.769  2.870   2.868   2.717   2.720   2.699  2.783  2.855  2.915
091207  2.772  2.792  2.874   2.896   2.740   2.742   2.726  2.806  2.884  2.942
091130  2.775  2.792  2.869   2.900   2.738   2.748   2.724  2.817  2.888  2.948
091123  2.787  2.803  2.868   2.907   2.753   2.762   2.738  2.825  2.896  2.954
091116  2.790  2.808  2.868   2.912   2.759   2.769   2.733  2.820  2.899  2.964
091109  2.801  2.821  2.866   2.926   2.772   2.779   2.746  2.823  2.909  2.972
091102  2.808  2.834  2.878   2.940   2.785   2.786   2.749  2.810  2.910  2.974
091026  2.801  2.819  2.843   2.923   2.773   2.790   2.740  2.776  2.904  2.968
091019  2.705  2.716  2.752   2.831   2.664   2.693   2.644  2.704  2.822  2.874
091012  2.600  2.610  2.690   2.723   2.554   2.581   2.530  2.650  2.732  2.791
091005  2.582  2.586  2.686   2.698   2.529   2.561   2.518  2.645  2.722  2.792
090928  2.601  2.607  2.703   2.714   2.552   2.585   2.525  2.658  2.742  2.807
090921  2.622  2.631  2.708   2.738   2.578   2.598   2.542  2.678  2.783  2.827
090914  2.634  2.650  2.720   2.755   2.599   2.607   2.555  2.683  2.795  2.847
090907  2.647  2.658  2.729   2.768   2.604   2.628   2.575  2.682  2.786  2.866
090831  2.674  2.691  2.742   2.779   2.649   2.649   2.618  2.692  2.802  2.893
090824  2.668  2.692  2.741   2.781   2.649   2.637   2.622  2.671  2.785  2.880
090817  2.652  2.687  2.739   2.771   2.646   2.623   2.607  2.633  2.744  2.872
090810  2.625  2.665  2.701   2.755   2.624   2.601   2.581  2.573  2.700  2.842
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090727  2.528  2.550  2.613   2.643   2.505   2.500   2.493  2.540  2.617  2.720
090720  2.496  2.514  2.600   2.630   2.456   2.470   2.443  2.559  2.595  2.703
090713  2.542  2.559  2.623   2.663   2.508   2.512   2.494  2.619  2.641  2.727
090706  2.594  2.609  2.656   2.714   2.560   2.565   2.547  2.648  2.706  2.787
090629  2.608  2.629  2.666   2.726   2.584   2.578   2.569  2.631  2.712  2.785
090622  2.616  2.634  2.670   2.730   2.590   2.587   2.583  2.614  2.720  2.789
090615  2.572  2.601  2.651   2.696   2.556   2.546   2.543  2.520  2.655  2.734
090608  2.498  2.516  2.566   2.619   2.468   2.474   2.474  2.442  2.603  2.676
090601  2.352  2.369  2.438   2.457   2.326   2.322   2.323  2.343  2.460  2.502
090525  2.274  2.305  2.409   2.410   2.251   2.229   2.242  2.302  2.384  2.407
090518  2.231  2.276  2.401   2.396   2.213   2.170   2.210  2.274  2.340  2.354
090511  2.216  2.255  2.395   2.386   2.186   2.156   2.198  2.270  2.329  2.337
090504  2.185  2.226  2.382   2.365   2.152   2.124   2.153  2.262  2.306  2.316
090427  2.201  2.241  2.395   2.374   2.171   2.142   2.171  2.270  2.315  2.320
090420  2.221  2.264  2.403   2.392   2.197   2.166   2.186  2.274  2.327  2.340
090413  2.229  2.273  2.420   2.402   2.204   2.175   2.202  2.250  2.336  2.350
090406  2.228  2.279  2.429   2.419   2.205   2.178   2.210  2.213  2.311  2.335
090330  2.221  2.281  2.424   2.399   2.218   

Re: [MBZ] 40k miles of CDI Ownership

[Mitch Haley]

John Robbins wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6yA_BlWOyg


For some reason, I was thinking the V6 came out in 2006.
I take it the original tires were H-rated?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT recent wood working project

[Rich Thomas]

You need a CNC machine like a Shopbot, you can take the CAD drawings and 
cut the pieces straightaway, drill the holes, etc.  I have a machine I 
made, but it is too small to cut those bits.  The school might have one?


But interesting project whichever way you make it.

An aside -- I bought some garage laser parking pointers at Lowes for 
cheap, they have a shake sensor that attaches to the door opener and 
when it starts up, the laser comes on for a minute or so.  Anyway, I'm 
starting an addition to the house, a timber frame, and I have this idea 
to mount a bunch of little mirrors on the frame here and there, with the 
laser tripped by a door closing or something, that will then light up 
the space in the frame with laser lights.  At night it would be pretty 
cool just from ambient dust, laser beams going every which way.  Or it 
could be my earthquake sensor.


--R

R A Bennell wrote:

My elder son is doing his Masters in Architecture. Often, he designs, and I get 
to build, or at least cut out the
pieces.
He is working with light, reflections etc. He built what he refers to as an 
apparatus earlier and has photographed
it in the dark with the aid of a laser pointer etc to study the effects of the 
light on the mirrored glass of the
structure. Now, he needs to hang translucent paper in a big ring around the 
structure and photograph it from the
outside with light on the inside. He needed a means of hanging a wall of paper 
around this thing and came up with
the design you will see if you look at the blog. Guess who got to cut and 
assemble the pieces. I have consistently
told him to try to plan so that I can readily cut the parts out - no angles 
beyond 45 deg if possible. He generally
gets lost in the idea and then presents me with the consequences. Everything on 
this is tapered in some manner. We
did not have sufficient room in the basement to lay it out so we just gambled 
on it all fitting together once it
was done. I worked off of a full scale pattern that he printed from the CAD 
program but just measured with a tape
from the paper plan and cut accordingly. Not all that precise but it worked out 
fairly well. It is now together and
hanging and seems sturdy enough. It acutally fit pretty well - not perfect but 
pretty good. If we had more space,
we could likely have done better by laying it out in full before drilling the 
bolt holes and adjusting a wee it to
ensure it was all tight. As it is, the minimal gap that we might have avoided 
is on the top and thus not visible
when it is in use.

http://www.gbennellstudio.blogspot.com

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] 40k miles of CDI Ownership

[Rich Thomas]

Is that speedo some kind of German redundant display thing, just in case 
one of them fails to work?


--R

John Robbins wrote:
Bought the CDI with 67k in April of 2008, and I'm now up to 107k!  
This year I didn't put as many miles on it as I did last year, but 
that's changed since I just recently started dating a gal in 
Tuscaloosa (1.5 drive).  With a weeknight and weekend visit that's 350 
miles a week... It's amazing what girls can get us guys to do ;)


So far everything has been working fantastic with only minimal work 
needing to be done.  The car is still a blast to drive, and I enjoy 
every minute of it.


The only things I've replaced that weren't standard maintenance or 
something you'd expected to go out include:

--Coolant thermostat
--Auxiliary battery
--Motor mounts
--Parking brake ratcheting mechanism


http://picasaweb.google.com/TheTymbrymi/My2005E320CDI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6yA_BlWOyg

Happy motoring!
John

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Re: [MBZ] 40k miles of CDI Ownership

[John Robbins]

On 2/16/2010 3:39 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

For some reason, I was thinking the V6 came out in 2006.
I take it the original tires were H-rated?


IIRC, the V6 came out in 2007.  I believe so.  That's what I have on 
there now at least!


John

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Re: [MBZ] what's a CDI worth these days

[John Freer]

Besides, it's front wheel drive!

John

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 1:24 PM, John Robbins je...@msstate.edu wrote:
 On 2/16/2010 3:09 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

 Seemslike a lot of miles for $22k:
 http://jxn.craigslist.org/ctd/1587657336.html

 Unless the CDI market has recovered from the last time I looked (when the
 stock market went sour), it's too expensive.  If it had ventilated seats,
 Sirius, HID headlights, leather, etc, etc. then it might be worth that.  Not
 as it is equipped though.  IMO anyway...

 John

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Re: [MBZ] OT: for those who grew up in the 8-bit age

[Rolf]

Ah, I wrote my first code on a PC Jr... Logo. Tail up tail down. Good times.

-Rolf

On 02/16/2010 02:46 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

wasn't that the first thing screamed about on teh pc junior?

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Alex Chamberlain
apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote:

   

http://promos.asus.com/US/EeePC_Pinetrail/index.html

Who else remembers when chiclet was a term of derision for certain
computer keyboards, rather than something a company would call
attention to in their advertising?

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Re: [MBZ] 40k miles of CDI Ownership

[John Robbins]

On 2/16/2010 3:48 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

Is that speedo some kind of German redundant display thing, just in case
one of them fails to work?


There are a bunch of other things you can display there, but I put it to 
speedo for the video just to make things easier to read for an exact 
number.  After all, over half the speedometer is illegal to use in the 
USA. ;)  See link for what I usually keep it at.


http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/QzUIDuVtCzaV2ObcxoLmcw

John

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Re: [MBZ] 40k miles of CDI Ownership

[John Freer]

06 went to the V6. Original tires on the 05 were H rated.

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 1:50 PM, John Robbins je...@msstate.edu wrote:
 On 2/16/2010 3:39 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

 For some reason, I was thinking the V6 came out in 2006.
 I take it the original tires were H-rated?

 IIRC, the V6 came out in 2007.  I believe so.  That's what I have on there
 now at least!

 John

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Re: [MBZ] 40k miles of CDI Ownership

[Rick Knoble]

 From: je...@msstate.edu

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6yA_BlWOyg

Once you get past 120 mph (200 kph) and hold it htere a while, slowing to 55 
mph seems like you are just crawling.

Rick


  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: for those who grew up in the 8-bit age

[LWB250]

Watch Mad Men some time and wax poetically about all the old stuff on there.

Their set decorators are wizards.

Dan



--- On Tue, 2/16/10, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote:

 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: for those who grew up in the 8-bit age
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 3:06 PM
 Bother that, I can remember when an
 IBM Selectric typewriter was an object of admiration! 
 The first one, not the Selectric II.
 
 Peter
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com
 Sent: Feb 16, 2010 1:41 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: [MBZ] OT: for those who grew up in the 8-bit
 age
 
 http://promos.asus.com/US/EeePC_Pinetrail/index.html
 
 Who else remembers when chiclet was a term of
 derision for certain
 computer keyboards, rather than something a company
 would call
 attention to in their advertising?
 
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Re: [MBZ] so useful

[RELNGSON]

 Woger,
 
 If you call Rusty, he not only can get anything you need for your MB,
 he might even be able to supply parts for your front porche and your
 back porche  (or any other porche you may have)..
 
Hi dopey...

It just so happens that I have sourced a few items for my cars (shocks, 
halfshaft, filters etc) over time and was well satisfied with the prices and 
the prompt deliveries. I just don't feel the need to post my shopping lists 
here, that's all. The only order they had trouble with was the first one which 
was due to an employee's inability to read. Could have been Hurst in those 
days. 

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] 40k miles of CDI Ownership

[Rich Thomas]

See link for what I usually keep it at. 

80!

--R

John Robbins wrote:

On 2/16/2010 3:48 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

Is that speedo some kind of German redundant display thing, just in case
one of them fails to work?


There are a bunch of other things you can display there, but I put it 
to speedo for the video just to make things easier to read for an 
exact number.  After all, over half the speedometer is illegal to use 
in the USA. ;)  See link for what I usually keep it at.


http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/QzUIDuVtCzaV2ObcxoLmcw

John

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Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

[John Reames]

Ah... Distributorless ignition?

Does it have a cable that physically connects to a valve in the air  
intake?


(My E300 has a cable, but it is connected to a sensor, likely a pair  
of redundant hall-effect sensors (as compared to a flimsy  
potentiometer... I will have to get a piccy sometimes, as well as part  
nuambers, it likely has Benz and bosch ones...)


--
John W Reames
jwrea...@comcast.net
Home: +14106646986
Mobile: +14437915905

On Feb 16, 2010, at 16:11, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:


John Reames wrote:
How does one go about engine power reduction without having  
emissions violations when the accelerator is mechanical?


With my Achieva, it retards the timing. I don't even notice it, I'm  
too busy modulating the throttle to keep the tires lightly spinning  
in snow, then I look down and see the amber TRAC LOSS light and turn  
off the T/C so it will quit wasting gas.


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Re: [MBZ] 40k miles of CDI Ownership

[Mitch Haley]

John Robbins wrote:

On 2/16/2010 3:39 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

For some reason, I was thinking the V6 came out in 2006.
I take it the original tires were H-rated?


IIRC, the V6 came out in 2007.  I believe so.  That's what I have on 
there now at least!


Oh, then I'm really an idiot. I thought the 320s were V6 and the 300s were I6.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada

[Mitch Haley]

John Reames wrote:

Ah... Distributorless ignition?


Yeah, I've got the 2.4L Twin Cam, sort of an upgraded Quad Four, with the Q-4's 
ignition coil roasting system. Throttle body is normal, with a cable to the foot 
pedal. Intake manifold is plastic, and now the thing refuses to idle below 
1200rpm, so I suppose I've got to get out the propane torch and start looking 
for vacuum leaks, and maybe buy an idle air compensator if there aren't any 
leaks. If it were a stick, I'd just disable the IAC, but it's hard to keep a 
cold automatic running without a fast idle circuit.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] DeLorean facts??

[RELNGSON]

 ...Anyway 2 cases he cites to further his stories are Tucker and 
 Delorean. Well until I said But Keith, the Delorean was crap. I followed 
 with A 
 fiberglass body and stainless steel cladding plus a poorly made 
 underpowered GM V6... He shut up quick on that one...
 
It certainly wasn't a GM engine, but a P-R-V. 

And I've seen a red one.

RLE
 
 
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[MBZ] Now this is a pimp car!

[Donald Snook]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1978-Lincoln-Mark-V-19K-Original-Miles-White-Leather_W0QQitemZ260554121857QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item3caa3c6281#ht_2309wt_958


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P.O. Box 207
Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207
Tel. (316) 263-5851
This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or 
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Re: [MBZ] Now this is a pimp car!

[R A Bennell]

Oooh! Are we swapping the Cadillac for a Lincoln?

Randy

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Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 4:33 PM
To: 'Mercedes@okiebenz.com'
Subject: [MBZ] Now this is a pimp car!


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1978-Lincoln-Mark-V-19K-Original-Miles-White-Leather_W0QQitemZ260554121857QQcmdZView
ItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item3caa3c6281#ht_2309wt_958


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Re: [MBZ] so useful

[R A Bennell]

So, how did those shocks work out on your porch? I never considered that but 
them my porch sits on concrete piles
and has no springs so I am not sure how much help the shocks might be. Now if I 
was in California and had to worry
about aftershocks, I might want them.

Randy who is bored obviously

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Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 4:04 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] so useful


 Woger,

 If you call Rusty, he not only can get anything you need for your MB,
 he might even be able to supply parts for your front porche and your
 back porche  (or any other porche you may have)..

Hi dopey...

It just so happens that I have sourced a few items for my cars (shocks,
halfshaft, filters etc) over time and was well satisfied with the prices and
the prompt deliveries. I just don't feel the need to post my shopping lists
here, that's all. The only order they had trouble with was the first one which
was due to an employee's inability to read. Could have been Hurst in those
days.

RLE


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Re: [MBZ] V-6 diesel

[RELNGSON]

 06 went to the V6. Original tires on the 05 were H rated...
 
The V-6 Bluetec was an '07. My friend AC has one and I have driven it. 
Utterly reliable, just like my W204. At last.

RLE

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Re: [MBZ] Now this is a pimp car!

[Rolf]

Sure is. Right around the corner too.

-Rolf

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Re: [MBZ] OT recent wood working project

[R A Bennell]

If you looked at the older parts of his blog, you will see that he had the 
laser cutter do the work of cutting out
all of the parts for the model from sheets of acrylic. It worked really well 
for that and everything fit together
like a swiss watch. They can do wood but it burns the edges quite brown. I 
don't think they have the router setup.
I know some folks who have built these things but none of them are here in 
Winnipeg so we did it the hard way.
Thankfully, he is close to being done so I will be back to my own projects.

I have a new garage door plus opener to install when the weather warms a bit 
and it has one of those laser doodads
too. My wife has really liked the tennis ball we put up a couple of years ago 
to tell her when she is in far enough
but I find it a pain when working in the garage without the car present so am 
looking forward to that swap.

Randy

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 3:42 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT recent wood working project


You need a CNC machine like a Shopbot, you can take the CAD drawings and
cut the pieces straightaway, drill the holes, etc.  I have a machine I
made, but it is too small to cut those bits.  The school might have one?

But interesting project whichever way you make it.

An aside -- I bought some garage laser parking pointers at Lowes for
cheap, they have a shake sensor that attaches to the door opener and
when it starts up, the laser comes on for a minute or so.  Anyway, I'm
starting an addition to the house, a timber frame, and I have this idea
to mount a bunch of little mirrors on the frame here and there, with the
laser tripped by a door closing or something, that will then light up
the space in the frame with laser lights.  At night it would be pretty
cool just from ambient dust, laser beams going every which way.  Or it
could be my earthquake sensor.

--R

R A Bennell wrote:
 My elder son is doing his Masters in Architecture. Often, he designs, and I 
 get to build, or at least cut out the
 pieces.
 He is working with light, reflections etc. He built what he refers to as an 
 apparatus earlier and has
photographed
 it in the dark with the aid of a laser pointer etc to study the effects of 
 the light on the mirrored glass of the
 structure. Now, he needs to hang translucent paper in a big ring around the 
 structure and photograph it from the
 outside with light on the inside. He needed a means of hanging a wall of 
 paper around this thing and came up with
 the design you will see if you look at the blog. Guess who got to cut and 
 assemble the pieces. I have
consistently
 told him to try to plan so that I can readily cut the parts out - no angles 
 beyond 45 deg if possible. He
generally
 gets lost in the idea and then presents me with the consequences. Everything 
 on this is tapered in some manner.
We
 did not have sufficient room in the basement to lay it out so we just gambled 
 on it all fitting together once it
 was done. I worked off of a full scale pattern that he printed from the CAD 
 program but just measured with a tape
 from the paper plan and cut accordingly. Not all that precise but it worked 
 out fairly well. It is now together
and
 hanging and seems sturdy enough. It acutally fit pretty well - not perfect 
 but pretty good. If we had more space,
 we could likely have done better by laying it out in full before drilling the 
 bolt holes and adjusting a wee it
to
 ensure it was all tight. As it is, the minimal gap that we might have avoided 
 is on the top and thus not visible
 when it is in use.

 http://www.gbennellstudio.blogspot.com

 Randy





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Re: [MBZ] V-6 confusion

[RELNGSON]

 ...Mitched: Oh, then I'm really an idiot. I thought the 320s were V6 and 
 the 300s were I6...
 
No, you are not. The 2007 Bluetec V-6 is badged E320 but it's not a 3.2. 
Weren't the inline sixes badged CDI? The Bluetec for the US market isn't.

RLE
 
 
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