Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread Hendrik Fay
The names where etched into the gabbro stone using a process of photo emulsion and sandblasting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_Veterans_Memorial Hendrik who did not make it to DC whilst in the US WILTON wrote: Every America should see the Vietnam War Memorial Wall, study those 58,000

Re: [MBZ] 300SD/450SEL same door seals

2011-08-06 Thread andrew strasfogel
$325 per side for a 123 coupe. At that price, used ones work just fine. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Maybe this guy has some brake rotors for sale too... Maybe some used brake pads and used hoses as well? Selling used seals? Why didn't I

Re: [MBZ] 14 wheels on Craigslist

2011-08-06 Thread Mitch Haley
Hendrik Fay wrote: Will not fit 124's or post mid 85 201's but will fit 123's and 126's. ...with 1 (25mm) spacers? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

Re: [MBZ] 300SD/450SEL same door seals

2011-08-06 Thread Michael Canfield
I say used doesn't matter as long as it is in good shape. My windows seal against USED 27 year old seals every day. New probably doesn't fit as well... Mike On Aug 6, 2011 8:52 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: $325 per side for a 123 coupe. At that price, used ones work

Re: [MBZ] 300SD/450SEL same door seals

2011-08-06 Thread Michael Canfield
Wow. I knew I kept that coupe parts car for some reason! Anyone want a deal on some used seals? Mike On Aug 6, 2011 8:52 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: $325 per side for a 123 coupe. At that price, used ones work just fine. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Rick Knoble

Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread Michael Canfield
Still in DC? Just had to make a run to Lexington, VA. On the way back now. Going to drive through Skyline Drive and see the views. Very pretty area. Mike On Aug 5, 2011 8:52 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Maybe I should go down there tonight Sent from my iPhone On Aug 5,

Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Leaving now, I think we are going thru lexington on the way. What is skyline drive? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 6, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Still in DC? Just had to make a run to Lexington, VA. On the way back now. Going to drive through Skyline Drive

Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread WILTON
Of course, I meant the long, slow, stupid and ridiculous political process that put them in harm's way to put them there. Wilton - Original Message - From: Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 1:58 AM

Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread Mitch Haley
WILTON wrote: Of course, I meant the long, slow, stupid and ridiculous political process that put them in harm's way to put them there. Where not losing the next election is more important than not losing a war? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new

Re: [MBZ] 300SD/450SEL same door seals

2011-08-06 Thread WILTON
Well, my used 25 and 21-year-old ones are still very good condition and are working pretty good, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ]

Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

2011-08-06 Thread Curt Raymond
An interesting thing about food as fuel is that farmers will tell you that only recently has the price of corn risen above the cost of production. Realistically corn was way to cheap for decades. Corn as ethanol is a stupid choice and pretty much everybody agrees on it. Brazil's ethanol made

Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread WILTON
As usual, that was part of it. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dc update WILTON wrote: Of course, I meant the long, slow, stupid and

Re: [MBZ] 14 wheels on Craigslist

2011-08-06 Thread Curt Raymond
Just because they're 14 wheels doesn't make them the same as 123 14 wheels. They won't fit a 123, I've tried. 123 bundts have that big bulge on them for a reason, the bearing cap sticks out, 201 wheels won't fit over that. -Curt Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 15:16:32 +0930 From: Hendrik Fay

Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread Mitch Haley
WILTON wrote: As usual, that was part of it. One could even think that about WWII. Q. How do you get virtually all the politicians to care more about winning a war than winning an election? A. By convincing them that there won't BE another election unless they win the war.

Re: [MBZ] Heater swap

2011-08-06 Thread Curt Raymond
Peach Parts has a writeup: http://www.peachparts.com/Wikka/W123ACC1Conversion And I've got a 240D just waiting to source parts from... -Curt Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:05:49 -0600 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Heater swap Message-ID:

Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread WILTON
There was clear-cut provocation (in Atlantic and Pacific) and a strong will to win in WWII; 'none of that in Vietnam. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 12:22 PM Subject:

Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread Mitch Haley
WILTON wrote: There was clear-cut provocation (in Atlantic and Pacific) and a strong will to win in WWII; 'none of that in Vietnam. Wilton That's my point, the provocation gave us the will. By declaring war on us and immediately destroying one of our major naval bases, the Japanese made

Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread Peter Frederick
WWII was a real conflict with a real enemy intent on doing us harm. VietNam was an imaginary conflict with a make-believe nation to preserve the French Colonial system after WWII, conjured up out of whole cloth by the radical right. Huge difference. Not including the fact that we raised

Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread Michael Canfield
I am brain dead. Skyline drive is a scenic drive through the Shenendoah National park. It is also South of where we were so we did not go. Mike On Aug 6, 2011 11:47 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Leaving now, I think we are going thru lexington on the way. What is skyline

Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread WILTON
Yep; governments don't have memories. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dc update WWII was a real conflict with a real enemy intent on

Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread WILTON
And we sorta eased/sneaked into the other without the public's full knowledge and approval. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dc update

Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread Fmiser
WILTON wrote: There was clear-cut provocation (in Atlantic and Pacific) and a strong will to win in WWII; 'none of that in Vietnam. And a clearly defined military objective. It's hard to win if no one is sure when we have won. --Philip ___

Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread Mitch Haley
Peter Frederick wrote: WWII was a real conflict with a real enemy intent on doing us harm. VietNam was an imaginary conflict with a make-believe nation to preserve the French Colonial system after WWII, conjured up out of whole cloth by the radical right. I never thought of LBJ or JFK as

Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread Peter Frederick
JFK was all hopped up on the communist menace -- the crisis du jour in the 1950's. Same as the Al Quaida menace today where some secret cabal was going to take over the world by force and enslave everyone. Remember who JFK's father was and what he thought of Hitler prior to 1941. LBJ

Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread Walt Zarnoch
Everyone is always wrong, even if it's only one person who thinks they are. Walt On Aug 6, 2011 5:09 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: JFK was all hopped up on the communist menace -- the crisis du jour in the 1950's. Same as the Al Quaida menace today where some secret cabal was

Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread WILTON
Yep, on the other hand, I was confident that we had won it as I left Hanoi for the last time in the early morning hours of 30 Dec 72, after finally fighting it with no holds barred for only the previous 11 days. By that time, though, Congress didn't care any more and later gave it all away.

Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread Max Dillon
So you're saying 9/11 was invented out of thin air? Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: JFK was all hopped up on the communist menace -- the crisis du jour in the 1950's. Same as the Al Quaida menace today

Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

2011-08-06 Thread Mountain Man
OK Don wrote: Like many other things - follow the money. Last I heard, the industry was driving the ethanol mandate, congress just did what they were paid to do. Ya, well... Not to be too partisan here, the reality is that all the games DC has been playing with large dollar amounts did nothing

Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

2011-08-06 Thread Mountain Man
Curt wrote: Theres no shortage of ground available for food production, nobody is renting my farm for instance but our addiction to cheap food has kept food prices so low for so long its hard to find people stupid enough to try farming. Have you considered Community Supported Agriculture

Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread Mountain Man
Wilton wrote: Every America should see the Vietnam War Memorial Wall, study those 58,000 names on it and think about how they got there. Foolish politics meant to pander to the clear military-industrial-complex. ...oops... too political... VN was wy too sad to contemplate... mao

Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread Mountain Man
Mitch wrote: One could even think that about WWII. Read more from Antony Sutton. That is an absolute certainty from his writings. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread Max Dillon
Bombing of USS COLE? First bombing of the WTC? Two Embassies in Africa attacked? I could go on but I think you get my point. Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: So you're saying 9/11 was invented out of thin

Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread Mountain Man
Wilton wrote: There was clear-cut provocation (in Atlantic and Pacific) and a strong will to win in WWII; 'none of that in Vietnam. WW2 evidently has some serious problems regarding the release of news at Pearl Harbor. Again, read Antony Sutton. mao ___

Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread Mountain Man
Mitch wrote: I never thought of LBJ or JFK as 'radical right' before, but if you read some JFK speeches, some of the stuff he said might seem that way to people who are used to our current Democratic politicians. That is the real reason he needed to be 'offed' in Dallas. mao

Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread Mountain Man
Peter wrote:  They always find a monster under the bed, even if they have to invent one out of thin air. Deny that the victor always writes history. i.e. where is the looser (..R's favorite...)? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to

Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread Peter Frederick
No, I'm saying the vast international conspiracy to conquer the US by fore by a secret cabal of unidentified evil people is a figment of the overheated imagination. 9/11 was made possible by luck, failure to take terrorism seriously, and the US airline industry putting a very minor profit

Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread WILTON
Yes, in my opinion, VN ranks with slavery itself and The Civil War as one of the nation's greatest tragedies. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 6:31 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [MBZ] 14 wheels on Craigslist

2011-08-06 Thread Hendrik Fay
Hmnh, years ago I bought a 123 with those rims on them. Hendrik who is having pizza for breakfast Curt Raymond wrote: Just because they're 14 wheels doesn't make them the same as 123 14 wheels. They won't fit a 123, I've tried. 123 bundts have that big bulge on them for a reason, the bearing

Re: [MBZ] DC update on the Vietnam war

2011-08-06 Thread Hendrik Fay
I like to take the point of view that in a way the Vietnam war was a success insofar that the supposed domino effect did not occur. I could argue that without the war we may well have the situation that a large percentage of south east Asia turned to communism and this may well have led to a

Re: [MBZ] DC update on the Vietnam war

2011-08-06 Thread Peter Frederick
According to the people who perpetrated the Domino Effect Doctrine, it was bunk. Dean Rusk, Robert McNammera, etc. it was hyped by the extreme right wing in the 50's -- anything to make headlines, eh? Upon reflection, it was obvious that the only way most of SE Asia was going to get out

Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
They say bush was behind it Sent from my iPhone On Aug 6, 2011, at 6:23 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: So you're saying 9/11 was invented out of thin air? Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net

Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

2011-08-06 Thread G Mann
Nothing in politics happens by accident. I'll put my bets in that even the SP downgrade was pre-planned. We are being played like a cheap trick by master manipulators on a scale to large be understood. The Modes Operands is always as follows: Manufactured Problem Orchestrated Reaction Planned

Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread Mountain Man
Kaleb wrote: They say bush was behind it Oh, no doubt. The whole mess has way too many open holes in believable/verifiable science that the plebes in USA believe as they are told by the media which is an entertainment, not information venue. The evidence does not support the claims of the

Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

2011-08-06 Thread Mountain Man
Grant wrote: The Modes Operands is always as follows: Manufactured Problem Orchestrated Reaction Planned Solution All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized power. This has been the manner for all incidents for a hundred+ years. Yep - I *do* feel raped. mao

Re: [MBZ] Heater swap

2011-08-06 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Its not worth the effort. Not only is the effort huge, as already stated, but you will devalue your car. Put the effort into replacing the vacuum modules, getting a rebuild ACC unit, and replacing the other little bits that are required for it to work right. You'll be rewarded with years of

Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread Rich Thomas
I left Georgetown this morning at 9:30A and drove down to Johns Island (10.5 hr). The first 50 miles south out of DC took over 2 hours on I-95. On a Saturday morning. After that I averaged about 73mph, so moved along pretty well. I am s glad to be out of the North (well, north of the

Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread Peter Frederick
Could have been worse, took my sister 8 hours to get to the N. Carolina border one morning -- I95 is horrible and getting worse near DC. Glad the trip went well after the traffic cleared. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to

Re: [MBZ] Dc update

2011-08-06 Thread Mountain Man
--R wrote: I am s glad to be out of the North (well, north of the real South) and back to the South. Tell us more. I am gaining more of a sense of this but have no real understanding of what is meant. For years I have thought I am really a suthren. mao

Re: [MBZ] Heater swap

2011-08-06 Thread Michael Canfield
I will keep this car until the wheels rust off from it. It will be worth the same for scrap with either heater control. It is worth more to me to have the controls I like to use for the years I drive the car. I like the dual controls the manual system has. I set my side a lot cooler than