Re: [MBZ] When it Rains, it Pours
Perhaps, but not much less expensive; the perch includes a piece of frame rail and requires something like 40 /structural/ rivets to secure it into the car. Plan on an alignment, as everything on that side must be stripped. I think I paid $3k for mine. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On May 2, 2013, at 22:18, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect that it's a LOT easier to replace spring perches than evaporators, though i never had to do either on any of my 124s. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: I guess it depends on whether you'd rather have spring perches or evaporators made of clay. Mitch. -- OK Don 2013 F150 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What of the W140?
Having researched this significantly, the W140 can be a wonderful car and no worse or better than any other luxury car of its vintage as long as you do your due diligence. The two big ticket items, typically dealt with long ago, are the deteriorating engine wiring harness and the infamous AC evaporator. By the latest model possible and you can avoid both of these issues, as they were dealt with by MB late in the production run, like 97 - 99, I believe. They are very complex cars compared to their predecessors, but for the most part trouble free. Due to the number if systems and their complexity, you want to steer wide of any that have issues, and a PPI by a shop that knows this model well is absolutely necessary. I love mine and am quite satisfied with its reliability. I can service nearly everything on the car, and repairs are no worse than they would be for older models, IMHO. Consider that in their day many of these models were intended to compete with other high end luxury cars, like Rolls and Bentley. The appointments are very, very nice as are many of the features. Add to that many of the systems provide self diagnostics, so you can gather a great deal of information on your own if you choose to. I like mine so well I may start looking for a nice S500 sedan for the wife in another year. I always perceived the W140 as being a bit of a nightmare, but now that I am better educated about the model, I find that they are no better or worse than any other MB model of its day. If you have specific questions, let me know. I don't think there are a lot of W140 owners around here (compared to other models.) Dan On May 2, 2013, at 8:40 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: SO, having busted my ride yesterday, I will need a replacement. I would prefer a diesel, but the current models are a bit beyond my meager budget. If I could find a nice SDL, that would be superb. I am pretty sure that is not likely to happen. Having driven what I think is the epitome of the w124 (unless it were the cabriolet) I do not want a repeat. I do like the looks of the w140. Should have enough leg room for me in back, as well as fit and finish the oriental cars lack. My neighbor finally sent his '84 Accord to the crusher, but he got a 95 accord for replacement. Every time that car lights off, there is that buzzy resonant tin sheet noise of something not secured right. Any opinions on the W140 and what to look for or avoid? clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers [AND MACHETES AND GATORS] and registering owners
Not true in Chitkagoh. Stay at any stop light controlled intersection during peak traffic times and you will see 2-6 cars go through or finish going through the intersection after the light is red nearly every light cycle. I've seen more intersection accidents here with amber light times twice or triple what they are elsewhere because people insist that they can go through the light during and after the amber sequence. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (164,xxx mi) The place you refer to has been outside civilization for over a hunnert years. procressive/union/D/capone/daily/comnunist/marxlist/rohm... Its all about corruption. How many murders/year? Its all about me. If I want it I should get it. If you won't give it, I will take it. Why should driving/lights be any different? There is a reason why leos refer to them as FIBs. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300CD - New challenges
I'm a couple days late with this, but ATTABOY! Mitch. Dave wrote: It starts better now but still the miss when warm. I blasted the car with a pressure washer to remove the rest of the moss and scrubbed more oxidation off I was encouraged by Dan's finish restoration post. Next steps are a diesel purge treatment, injector return lines, primer pump leak, brakes and rotors on all 4 corners, and front wheel bearing pack. That will make safe enough to start worrying about the trans. Wife said that parts have been arriving at home all day. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers [AND MACHETES AND GATORS] and registering owners
As this is really off-topic, I don't feel too ashamed in saying that maybe they should ban sports equipment (and perhaps dis-arm black belts?) Although a lacrosse stick didn't do much for a Loyola player at the Saturday Hopkins-Loyola game in Baltimore: http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1626290-johns-hopkins-lacrosse-player-lays-a-stick-shattering-hit-against-loyola Or the YouTube video itself is at http://youtu.be/NrnHUpR501I (you can skip to 0:08) I think my shoulder has sympathy pain! -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On May 3, 2013, at 7:56, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Not true in Chitkagoh. Stay at any stop light controlled intersection during peak traffic times and you will see 2-6 cars go through or finish going through the intersection after the light is red nearly every light cycle. I've seen more intersection accidents here with amber light times twice or triple what they are elsewhere because people insist that they can go through the light during and after the amber sequence. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (164,xxx mi) The place you refer to has been outside civilization for over a hunnert years. procressive/union/D/capone/daily/comnunist/marxlist/rohm... Its all about corruption. How many murders/year? Its all about me. If I want it I should get it. If you won't give it, I will take it. Why should driving/lights be any different? There is a reason why leos refer to them as FIBs. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Forgive me for I have sinned
I was thinking about the longevity, back in the day when a 240D was a 500,000 mile car a VW diesel was a 250,000 mile car but that was also when a gas car that went 100,000 miles was a great car. Today just about any gas car can go 200,000 miles with just normal maintenance so it seems reasonable that today's TDI should go 500,000 without much issue. At 30,000 miles a year thats still longer than I probably intend to keep one... -Curt Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 22:01:33 -0500 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Forgive me for I have sinned Message-ID: cf7feac2-8afc-422c-8523-8e511bb1f...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes VW Jetta TDI is a nice car, my brother has one (5-speed manny) and get 52-55 mpg on the highway, goes like a scalded cat. Longevity isn't Benz-like, but they are nice cars. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Forgive me for I have sinned
The VW diesel wagon (Passat) used to list for around $17k. What do they cost now? On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I was thinking about the longevity, back in the day when a 240D was a 500,000 mile car a VW diesel was a 250,000 mile car but that was also when a gas car that went 100,000 miles was a great car. Today just about any gas car can go 200,000 miles with just normal maintenance so it seems reasonable that today's TDI should go 500,000 without much issue. At 30,000 miles a year thats still longer than I probably intend to keep one... -Curt Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 22:01:33 -0500 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Forgive me for I have sinned Message-ID: cf7feac2-8afc-422c-8523-8e511bb1f...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes VW Jetta TDI is a nice car, my brother has one (5-speed manny) and get 52-55 mpg on the highway, goes like a scalded cat. Longevity isn't Benz-like, but they are nice cars. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Forgive me for I have sinned
Well thats odd. Fueleconomy.gov gives the Passat a 1mpg edge. Both are 2l though, same engine? I prefer a manual trans in general. I've driven Ford's version of the DSG and while I'm sure VW's is better its still just an automatic. Not sure I need any more space in a car and I surely don't need a bigger loan. -Curt Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 21:27:39 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Forgive me for I have sinned Message-ID: CANZcij9Fb_pmdqmkjvpKwfJPfz4yNcJmejHruvJyh3=0e0e...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If you go back, check out a Passat while you're there. It's a larger car, but gets better MPG than the Jetta. Drive a DSG tranny also - you might like it (I do). No, the VW is not a Mercedes replacement - the quality just isn't there, but still like mine and plan to keep it a long time. Go to the Mercedes dealer first, then the prices at the VW dealer will look like a bargain!!! -- OK Don 2013 F150 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Primaries
Where do I get my absentee ballots to stuff? On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: Sanford. If there are no good candidates elect a clown-politician. Might as well enjoy their antics. Remember Adam Clayton Powell? As one of his constituent said, That cat really knows how to live! Pictures of (clown?) politicians clowning around. http://thechive.com/2010/01/**08/politicians-are-clown-**shoes-42-photos/http://thechive.com/2010/01/08/politicians-are-clown-shoes-42-photos/ Gerry . On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 4:02 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Just learned that the circus, ah, election, I was referring to is NEXT Tues, 7 May, NOT last Tues. Which clown's gonna win? Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@** constructivity.net richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Primaries No. It is a circus of fools. No. --R On 4/30/13 8:16 PM, WILTON wrote: Rich, Max, did you guys south of the border have a primary today? How's it going? BTW, Rich, have ya been to Crooks Corner in Chapel Hill? DIL has reservation for 10 there Grndson graduation/Mom day. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_ okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2241 / Virus Database: 3162/5792 - Release Date: 05/02/13 __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners
Yeah, I had a warm goop shower. Felt REAL nice! Both accumulators were changed recently (last couple of years). I am beginning to wonder whether the hydropneumatic struts themselves are the problem. They don't leak, but I am not getting any cushioning going over potholes and there is nothing else to blame. Any way to test their resiliency (if that's the word)? On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 7:49 PM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: Hydraulic fluid (and ATF) will make whatever hair you have lay down real nice ;) -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On May 2, 2013, at 18:48, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Andrew, Does your wagon have the hydraulic leveling system? And if so, when were the accumulators last changed? The accumulators in my 79 300TD had lost their gas charge and it was like riding with a rigid rear suspension (hard and bumpy). Not good for the structure, either. Replacing them is a simple but messy job (working on your back with dirt and hydraulic fluid falling on you). Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 4:10 PM ... in return for which you can help diagnose the harsh rear bumpiness. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners
Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Yeah, I had a warm goop shower. Felt REAL nice! Both accumulators were changed recently (last couple of years). I am beginning to wonder whether the hydropneumatic struts themselves are the problem. They don't leak, but I am not getting any cushioning going over potholes and there is nothing else to blame. Any way to test their resiliency (if that's the word)? The original accumulators were good for 5 years or so. The new ones are somewhat variable. The only way you'll get cushioning out of the struts is from the rubber mounts, unless there is air trapped in them somehow. I seem to recall something wrong with the way the work was done a couple of years ago but don't remember details. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Struts
beginning to wonder whether the hydropneumatic struts themselves are the problem. They don't leak, but I am not getting any cushioning going over potholes and there is nothing else to blame. Any way to test their resiliency (if that's the word)? I rebuilt one of mine that was leaking, and there's not much in there. A piston with leak holes in it, with spring flaps over them. Hard to see how any kind of failure would make it _stiffer_. Springs fail by getting weaker, not stronger. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What of the W140?
One thing I have noticed is that car maintenance is generally proportional to the sticker price, whether DIY or Indy or stealer. A 124 is more expensive to maintain than a 123. A 126 is more expensive to maintain than a 124 a 140 is more expensive to maintain than a 126 This is of course generalized by typ number. Individual vehicles will vary. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers [AND MACHETES AND GATORS] and registering owners
Those things sometimes snap quite easily. One of my son's teammates had a titanium shaft break into three pieces when he checked another player. Not cheap, but kinda brittle. --R On 5/3/13 8:58 AM, John Reames wrote: As this is really off-topic, I don't feel too ashamed in saying that maybe they should ban sports equipment (and perhaps dis-arm black belts?) Although a lacrosse stick didn't do much for a Loyola player at the Saturday Hopkins-Loyola game in Baltimore:http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1626290-johns-hopkins-lacrosse-player-lays-a-stick-shattering-hit-against-loyola Or the YouTube video itself is athttp://youtu.be/NrnHUpR501I (you can skip to 0:08) I think my shoulder has sympathy pain! -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Primaries
You might be too melanin-challenged to do that here --R On 5/3/13 9:23 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Where do I get my absentee ballots to stuff? On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: Sanford. If there are no good candidates elect a clown-politician. Might as well enjoy their antics. Remember Adam Clayton Powell? As one of his constituent said, That cat really knows how to live! Pictures of (clown?) politicians clowning around. http://thechive.com/2010/01/**08/politicians-are-clown-**shoes-42-photos/http://thechive.com/2010/01/08/politicians-are-clown-shoes-42-photos/ Gerry . On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 4:02 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Just learned that the circus, ah, election, I was referring to is NEXT Tues, 7 May, NOT last Tues. Which clown's gonna win? Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@** constructivity.net richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Primaries No. It is a circus of fools. No. --R On 4/30/13 8:16 PM, WILTON wrote: Rich, Max, did you guys south of the border have a primary today? How's it going? BTW, Rich, have ya been to Crooks Corner in Chapel Hill? DIL has reservation for 10 there Grndson graduation/Mom day. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_ okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2241 / Virus Database: 3162/5792 - Release Date: 05/02/13 __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers [AND MACHETES AND GATORS] and registering owners
As this is really off-topic, I don't feel too ashamed in saying that maybe they should ban sports equipment (and perhaps dis-arm black belts?) How may people have union thugs beat with baseball bats? along with hammers, machetes, and the stuff already listed, We should ban Baseball bats, Lacross and hockey sticks, the game of hockey etc. Then there are bricks. Oh, and we must not forget to ban nail guns, Those do serious damage too. But perhaps the most dangerous weapon is bathtubs. Andrew, can you get your guys on banning all this stuff? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Forgive me for I have sinned
Not much lists for $17k anymore, Ford Fiesta maybe. The base Jetta TDI I was looking at was $23k, Passat TDI starts at about $3k more, Jetta wagon TDI is about $25k. Those are all base prices but there aren't many options really, sunroof, DSG, premium sound system... -Curt Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 09:20:26 -0400 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Forgive me for I have sinned Message-ID: CAC35L=s8einfujjty8wvastpbgycfbmduvxb23pnuqn84nc...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The VW diesel wagon (Passat) used to list for around $17k. What do they cost now? On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I was thinking about the longevity, back in the day when a 240D was a 500,000 mile car a VW diesel was a 250,000 mile car but that was also when a gas car that went 100,000 miles was a great car. Today just about any gas car can go 200,000 miles with just normal maintenance so it seems reasonable that today's TDI should go 500,000 without much issue. At 30,000 miles a year thats still longer than I probably intend to keep one... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners
I recall a mis-matched set of used and new accumulators going in. Can't recall how many years ago it was. The advice of the list (as I remember) was that the used accumulator would shorten the life of the new one. I'm thinking thats the case here... -Curt Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 09:33:00 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners Message-ID: 5183bc8c.20...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Yeah, I had a warm goop shower. Felt REAL nice! Both accumulators were changed recently (last couple of years). I am beginning to wonder whether the hydropneumatic struts themselves are the problem. They don't leak, but I am not getting any cushioning going over potholes and there is nothing else to blame. Any way to test their resiliency (if that's the word)? The original accumulators were good for 5 years or so. The new ones are somewhat variable. The only way you'll get cushioning out of the struts is from the rubber mounts, unless there is air trapped in them somehow. I seem to recall something wrong with the way the work was done a couple of years ago but don't remember details. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Primaries
I could photoshop my thumb print. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: You might be too melanin-challenged to do that here --R On 5/3/13 9:23 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Where do I get my absentee ballots to stuff? On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com** wrote: Sanford. If there are no good candidates elect a clown-politician. Might as well enjoy their antics. Remember Adam Clayton Powell? As one of his constituent said, That cat really knows how to live! Pictures of (clown?) politicians clowning around. http://thechive.com/2010/01/08/politicians-are-clown- shoes-42-photos/http://thechive.com/2010/01/**08/politicians-are-clown-**shoes-42-photos/ http://**thechive.com/2010/01/08/**politicians-are-clown-shoes-** 42-photos/http://thechive.com/2010/01/08/politicians-are-clown-shoes-42-photos/ Gerry . On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 4:02 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Just learned that the circus, ah, election, I was referring to is NEXT Tues, 7 May, NOT last Tues. Which clown's gonna win? Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@** constructivity.net richthomas79TD300@**construct**ivity.nethttp://constructivity.net/ richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Primaries No. It is a circus of fools. No. --R On 4/30/13 8:16 PM, WILTON wrote: Rich, Max, did you guys south of the border have a primary today? How's it going? BTW, Rich, have ya been to Crooks Corner in Chapel Hill? DIL has reservation for 10 there Grndson graduation/Mom day. Wilton __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/** archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_ okiebenz.comhttp://mail.**okiebenz.com/**mailman/** listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.**comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_** okiebenz.comhttp://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/** archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_** okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/**mailman/**listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz. **comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_** okiebenz.comhttp://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/** archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_** okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/**mailman/**listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.* *comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_** okiebenz.comhttp://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To
Re: [MBZ] Struts
oh cr*ap. I wanted to buy some new toys. I am running out of options. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: beginning to wonder whether the hydropneumatic struts themselves are the problem. They don't leak, but I am not getting any cushioning going over potholes and there is nothing else to blame. Any way to test their resiliency (if that's the word)? I rebuilt one of mine that was leaking, and there's not much in there. A piston with leak holes in it, with spring flaps over them. Hard to see how any kind of failure would make it _stiffer_. Springs fail by getting weaker, not stronger. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Forgive me for I have sinned
Base 5-hole Focus $16k give or take. --R On 5/3/13 10:29 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Not much lists for $17k anymore, Ford Fiesta maybe. The base Jetta TDI I was looking at was $23k, Passat TDI starts at about $3k more, Jetta wagon TDI is about $25k. Those are all base prices but there aren't many options really, sunroof, DSG, premium sound system... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Primaries
No you gots to have a gummint-issued ID now to disenfranchise you. --R On 5/3/13 10:36 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I could photoshop my thumb print. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: You might be too melanin-challenged to do that here --R On 5/3/13 9:23 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Where do I get my absentee ballots to stuff? On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com** wrote: Sanford. If there are no good candidates elect a clown-politician. Might as well enjoy their antics. Remember Adam Clayton Powell? As one of his constituent said, That cat really knows how to live! Pictures of (clown?) politicians clowning around. http://thechive.com/2010/01/08/politicians-are-clown- shoes-42-photos/http://thechive.com/2010/01/**08/politicians-are-clown-**shoes-42-photos/ http://**thechive.com/2010/01/08/**politicians-are-clown-shoes-** 42-photos/http://thechive.com/2010/01/08/politicians-are-clown-shoes-42-photos/ Gerry . On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 4:02 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Just learned that the circus, ah, election, I was referring to is NEXT Tues, 7 May, NOT last Tues. Which clown's gonna win? Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@** constructivity.net richthomas79TD300@**construct**ivity.nethttp://constructivity.net/ richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Primaries No. It is a circus of fools. No. --R On 4/30/13 8:16 PM, WILTON wrote: Rich, Max, did you guys south of the border have a primary today? How's it going? BTW, Rich, have ya been to Crooks Corner in Chapel Hill? DIL has reservation for 10 there Grndson graduation/Mom day. Wilton __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/** archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_ okiebenz.comhttp://mail.**okiebenz.com/**mailman/** listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.**comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_** okiebenz.comhttp://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/** archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_** okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/**mailman/**listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz. **comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_** okiebenz.comhttp://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/** archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_** okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/**mailman/**listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.* *comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_** okiebenz.comhttp://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to
Re: [MBZ] OT - Primaries
By living in D.C. I am pre-disenfranchised and need a place to cast a meaningful ballot. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: No you gots to have a gummint-issued ID now to disenfranchise you. --R On 5/3/13 10:36 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I could photoshop my thumb print. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: You might be too melanin-challenged to do that here --R On 5/3/13 9:23 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Where do I get my absentee ballots to stuff? On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com** wrote: Sanford. If there are no good candidates elect a clown-politician. Might as well enjoy their antics. Remember Adam Clayton Powell? As one of his constituent said, That cat really knows how to live! Pictures of (clown?) politicians clowning around. http://thechive.com/2010/01/**08/politicians-are-clown-**http://thechive.com/2010/01/08/politicians-are-clown- shoes-42-photos/http://**thechive.com/2010/01/**08/** politicians-are-clown-**shoes-**42-photos/http://thechive.com/2010/01/**08/politicians-are-clown-**shoes-42-photos/ http://**thechive.com/2010/**01/08/**politicians-are-clown-**shoes-**http://thechive.com/2010/01/08/**politicians-are-clown-shoes-** 42-photos/http://thechive.**com/2010/01/08/politicians-** are-clown-shoes-42-photos/http://thechive.com/2010/01/08/politicians-are-clown-shoes-42-photos/ Gerry . On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 4:02 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Just learned that the circus, ah, election, I was referring to is NEXT Tues, 7 May, NOT last Tues. Which clown's gonna win? Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@ ** constructivity.net richthomas79TD300@construct**ivity.net http://**constructivity.net/ http://constructivity.net/ richthomas79TD300@**construct**ivity.nethttp://constructivity.net/ richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Primaries No. It is a circus of fools. No. --R On 4/30/13 8:16 PM, WILTON wrote: Rich, Max, did you guys south of the border have a primary today? How's it going? BTW, Rich, have ya been to Crooks Corner in Chapel Hill? DIL has reservation for 10 there Grndson graduation/Mom day. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.** com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/** archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_ http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_ okiebenz.comhttp://mail.**oki**ebenz.com/**mailman/**http://okiebenz.com/**mailman/** listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/** **mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_**http://okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_** okiebenz.comhttp://okiebenz.**com/mailman/listinfo/ mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_** okiebenz.comhttp://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/** mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.** com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/** archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Forgive me for I have sinned
My gf has a 2008 Focus. Sweet little car. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Base 5-hole Focus $16k give or take. --R On 5/3/13 10:29 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Not much lists for $17k anymore, Ford Fiesta maybe. The base Jetta TDI I was looking at was $23k, Passat TDI starts at about $3k more, Jetta wagon TDI is about $25k. Those are all base prices but there aren't many options really, sunroof, DSG, premium sound system... -Curt __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners
Ha. So I may need another set of two NEW accumulators that bond with each other from inception (litter mates). This high maintenance cr*p is going to get expensive. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I recall a mis-matched set of used and new accumulators going in. Can't recall how many years ago it was. The advice of the list (as I remember) was that the used accumulator would shorten the life of the new one. I'm thinking thats the case here... -Curt Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 09:33:00 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners Message-ID: 5183bc8c.20...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Yeah, I had a warm goop shower. Felt REAL nice! Both accumulators were changed recently (last couple of years). I am beginning to wonder whether the hydropneumatic struts themselves are the problem. They don't leak, but I am not getting any cushioning going over potholes and there is nothing else to blame. Any way to test their resiliency (if that's the word)? The original accumulators were good for 5 years or so. The new ones are somewhat variable. The only way you'll get cushioning out of the struts is from the rubber mounts, unless there is air trapped in them somehow. I seem to recall something wrong with the way the work was done a couple of years ago but don't remember details. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Struts
So you are saying they are rebuildable? I thought they were crimped shut. Tell us more... Dan On May 3, 2013, at 9:46 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: beginning to wonder whether the hydropneumatic struts themselves are the problem. They don't leak, but I am not getting any cushioning going over potholes and there is nothing else to blame. Any way to test their resiliency (if that's the word)? I rebuilt one of mine that was leaking, and there's not much in there. A piston with leak holes in it, with spring flaps over them. Hard to see how any kind of failure would make it _stiffer_. Springs fail by getting weaker, not stronger. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Forgive me for I have sinned
there's a lot more electronics in a TDI than that zero electronics in a 240D. based on what i've seen of build quality and sensor failures in the fleet of TDIs running around here, i don't have any expectations that it would be as cheap or easy to run a TDI a half-million miles like what might have been possible with a 240D. that said, many of the BioDiesel fleet around here are running upsized injectors in pre-2007 TDIs and having a great time driving them like complete madmen, and still getting 40+MPG running B99.9. not bad for cars that sold for fewer dollars than the 240Ds did 20+ years earlier! cheers! e On 03/May/13 06:17, Curt Raymond wrote: I was thinking about the longevity, back in the day when a 240D was a 500,000 mile car a VW diesel was a 250,000 mile car but that was also when a gas car that went 100,000 miles was a great car. Today just about any gas car can go 200,000 miles with just normal maintenance so it seems reasonable that today's TDI should go 500,000 without much issue. At 30,000 miles a year thats still longer than I probably intend to keep one... -Curt Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 22:01:33 -0500 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Forgive me for I have sinned Message-ID: cf7feac2-8afc-422c-8523-8e511bb1f...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes VW Jetta TDI is a nice car, my brother has one (5-speed manny) and get 52-55 mpg on the highway, goes like a scalded cat. Longevity isn't Benz-like, but they are nice cars. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Forgive me for I have sinned
On Fri, 03 May 2013 08:26:51 -0700 ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: there's a lot more electronics in a TDI than that zero electronics in a 240D. A 240D does not have zero electronics, but the comparison does still hold. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Primaries
A ballot cast here for either of the clowns will be meaningless. On another note, the boards for various colleges were recently up for new members, one of which was the Medical University (MUSC), which is something like 58% women students and many women faculty and staff. One woman on the board of a dozen or so now. Contending for a slot were 1) a very accomplished business woman who has done a lot with MUSC over the years, volunteering on various initiatives and committees, etc., and 2) the brother, a restaurant owner, of a local Dem legislator, who has no particular ties to the institution or any achievements related to the medical mission,but who is on some other local pol-appointed boards. Guess who won? So I sorta peripherally know the woman who is a big deal in the local Dem scene, she ran for something recently, maybe against Lulu for the Congressional seat. Anyway she sent out some email the other day about Lulu, so I sent her a note back: Somehow, the words ethical and reform in the same sentence regarding this state/county/city are incompatible, whether R or D involved. Leon should be tarred and feathered for all his pushing his brother into various things. --R On 5/2/13 4:19 PM,carol_tempel wrote: I advocated for susan. It's the process and an ethical reform issue. You would think one would abstain from voting for a sibling. Carol tempel Sent from my iPhone On May 2, 2013, at 2:21 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: You might be able to help me understand how your local boy Leon keeps pushing his brother for various things, when a very well-qualified woman would have been a much better choice for the MUSC board. One woman on the board? Unh huh, that is showing your commitment to inclusion and diversity and representation, Leon, with over half the students of the female persuasion. But I'm sure his brother's extensive experience with MUSC will make him the better choice over the long term. Yessirree... http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20130502/PC16/130509849/1005/new-college-board-members-include-many-with-connections --R --R On 5/3/13 10:50 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: By living in D.C. I am pre-disenfranchised and need a place to cast a meaningful ballot. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: No you gots to have a gummint-issued ID now to disenfranchise you. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wagon rear suspension (was Re: Hammers)
The self-levelling system requires a base pressure to function. I believe the function is described in 32-501. Typically the base pressure valve (integral to the levelling valve but not adjustable/influenced by the position of the lever) will weaken and you'll have insufficient pressure in the system. It will then sag and may even bounce/wallow, but it should be soft. A very hard ride is either too much pressure (lever is maladjusted and car rides too high) or spheres are shot (gas pressure has dissipated). Car should ride at correct height even with lever in exhaust position. Moving lever to fill will result in the car rising. Once risen, the car should stay at that height even with the lever in the neutral position. DO NOT ADJUST the position of the lever relative to the valve shaft. Only adjust the lever's connection to the sway bar. Spheres last five years at most, although they are rarely changed with such frequency. Your local Citroen service person may be able to recharge the spheres, but new ones aren't that expensive IIRC. You could quickly build a test rig with a bottle jack - plans widely available for Citroen sphere testers... HTH, D. On 2013-05-03, at 7:07, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: Message: 8 Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 09:31:21 -0400 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners Message-ID: CAC35L=uym+j7xjg8erxnmerhweynp49dnvjphmfnsk5clg2...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yeah, I had a warm goop shower. Felt REAL nice! Both accumulators were changed recently (last couple of years). I am beginning to wonder whether the hydropneumatic struts themselves are the problem. They don't leak, but I am not getting any cushioning going over potholes and there is nothing else to blame. Any way to test their resiliency (if that's the word)? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Struts
The struts provide no spring action, because there is no energy storage medium inside (unless full of air, and it went in at atmospheric pressure and would be compressed to minuscule dimensions by the base pressure). The leak holes in the strut's interior piston provide the bulk of the damping, but some is provided by oil viscosity through the hose and into the accumulator. The coil springs support the bulk of the weight of the car, the strut's piston rod area (what goes through the seal) times the base pressure supports the rest of the weight, and as the system pressure rises due to oil being pumped into the accumulator by the strut, compressing _its_ stored nitrogen gas to higher pressures, the strut (like all springs) pushes back harder. The strut, however, in conjunction with the oil, is only a transmission, the force is all coming from the compressed nitrogen. If you have normal ride height and oil viscosity, and there are no abby-normal occlusions in the pipes, if you have extra-hard spring action it _has_ to be accumulator failure. There's just not enough there for it to be anything else. Going through my SEL the hard way was an education. The strut was made to be serviceable, though it is never done. Replacement only. The accumulator was not. If it were built more like the strut, with serviceable seals and a hard piston instead of a heavy rubber bladder, and a way to replenish the stored gas, the system would never need new parts except for seals. Small cheap parts, and a shot of nitrogen now and then from the bottle, with the suspension at full travel. Good as new. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Struts
another set of two NEW accumulators If one goes 'flat' that doubles the pressure in the other one, which will beat the crap out of it in no time. Hence equal pairs. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Struts
Jim, Thanks for the information - it is quite helpful! I have never had to RR a hydraulic strut, so I wasn't aware that they could be disassembled. Where did you source the parts for it? Thanks, Dan On May 3, 2013, at 11:51 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: The struts provide no spring action, because there is no energy storage medium inside (unless full of air, and it went in at atmospheric pressure and would be compressed to minuscule dimensions by the base pressure). The leak holes in the strut's interior piston provide the bulk of the damping, but some is provided by oil viscosity through the hose and into the accumulator. The coil springs support the bulk of the weight of the car, the strut's piston rod area (what goes through the seal) times the base pressure supports the rest of the weight, and as the system pressure rises due to oil being pumped into the accumulator by the strut, compressing _its_ stored nitrogen gas to higher pressures, the strut (like all springs) pushes back harder. The strut, however, in conjunction with the oil, is only a transmission, the force is all coming from the compressed nitrogen. If you have normal ride height and oil viscosity, and there are no abby-normal occlusions in the pipes, if you have extra-hard spring action it _has_ to be accumulator failure. There's just not enough there for it to be anything else. Going through my SEL the hard way was an education. The strut was made to be serviceable, though it is never done. Replacement only. The accumulator was not. If it were built more like the strut, with serviceable seals and a hard piston instead of a heavy rubber bladder, and a way to replenish the stored gas, the system would never need new parts except for seals. Small cheap parts, and a shot of nitrogen now and then from the bottle, with the suspension at full travel. Good as new. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W123 Tahrs and Bundts 4 sale
I am having four new 195X14 Kumho all season H rated tires installed on bundt alloys (rims) that I personally refinished (painted with Wurth silver and clear coated) for my 1985 diamond blue 300TD. I will probably be selling the four old but decent Michelins (2006 vintage) plus the bundts they are currently mounted on. I was going to use ebay but was wondering what to charge for SH per wheel/tire. Does UPS/Fedex/USPS accept tires/rims unboxed/unwrapped, adorned merely with a shipping label? What can I expct to pay If someone on the list wants these let me know. I am thinking $50 each + SH but really have no clue. Andrew ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers [AND MACHETES AND GATORS] and registering owners
3 Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers [AND MACHETES AND GATORS] and registering owners Victimless and non-violent crime, I am having a hard time with that one. I don't think gators have taste neurons, their brain is about the size of a golf ball, which allows them to do 2 main things. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Forgive me for I have sinned
really? what electronics are there in the powertrain of a 240D? cheers! e On 03/May/13 08:44, Craig wrote: On Fri, 03 May 2013 08:26:51 -0700 ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: there's a lot more electronics in a TDI than that zero electronics in a 240D. A 240D does not have zero electronics, but the comparison does still hold. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Forgive me for I have sinned
Electronic trap door for driver to boost speed with foot power when ascending steep hills. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 12:29 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: really? what electronics are there in the powertrain of a 240D? cheers! e On 03/May/13 08:44, Craig wrote: On Fri, 03 May 2013 08:26:51 -0700 ernest breakfield ernestb@BackYardEngineering.**ORG wrote: there's a lot more electronics in a TDI than that zero electronics in a 240D. A 240D does not have zero electronics, but the comparison does still hold. Craig __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Tahrs and Bundts 4 sale
Why are you trading down to Kumhos? Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2013, at 12:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I am having four new 195X14 Kumho all season H rated tires installed on bundt alloys (rims) that I personally refinished (painted with Wurth silver and clear coated) for my 1985 diamond blue 300TD. I will probably be selling the four old but decent Michelins (2006 vintage) plus the bundts they are currently mounted on. I was going to use ebay but was wondering what to charge for SH per wheel/tire. Does UPS/Fedex/USPS accept tires/rims unboxed/unwrapped, adorned merely with a shipping label? What can I expct to pay If someone on the list wants these let me know. I am thinking $50 each + SH but really have no clue. Andrew ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Forgive me for I have sinned
palm slaps forehead dang; forgot about that!:-) seriously, does the starter count? i don't recall if the 240D lasted long enough to be plagued with the same fuel pressure regulator that's on the FI pumps of the '85 617s,.. and i honestly don't remember ever seeing a 240D that had the same Climate Control unit that is probably the most sophisticated bit of electronics on our 300D... Cruise Control, maybe? cheers! e On 03/May/13 09:33, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Electronic trap door for driver to boost speed with foot power when ascending steep hills. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 12:29 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: really? what electronics are there in the powertrain of a 240D? cheers! e On 03/May/13 08:44, Craig wrote: On Fri, 03 May 2013 08:26:51 -0700 ernest breakfield ernestb@BackYardEngineering.**ORG wrote: there's a lot more electronics in a TDI than that zero electronics in a 240D. A 240D does not have zero electronics, but the comparison does still hold. Craig __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Tahrs and Bundts 4 sale
What's wrong with them? They are rated highly by TahrRack. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 12:34 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Why are you trading down to Kumhos? Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2013, at 12:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I am having four new 195X14 Kumho all season H rated tires installed on bundt alloys (rims) that I personally refinished (painted with Wurth silver and clear coated) for my 1985 diamond blue 300TD. I will probably be selling the four old but decent Michelins (2006 vintage) plus the bundts they are currently mounted on. I was going to use ebay but was wondering what to charge for SH per wheel/tire. Does UPS/Fedex/USPS accept tires/rims unboxed/unwrapped, adorned merely with a shipping label? What can I expct to pay If someone on the list wants these let me know. I am thinking $50 each + SH but really have no clue. Andrew ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Forgive me for I have sinned
Voltage regulator, glow relay ABS on 85 123s Not power train, but radio really? what electronics are there in the powertrain of a 240D? cheers! e On 03/May/13 08:44, Craig wrote: On Fri, 03 May 2013 08:26:51 -0700 ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: there's a lot more electronics in a TDI than that zero electronics in a 240D. A 240D does not have zero electronics, but the comparison does still hold. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Speeding
Just think of it as a speed tax. If you want to go fast, you have to pay. That was standard terminology at the old speed shops. How much $ depended on how fast you wanted to do. Randy On 02/05/2013 9:23 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Nope. Not until a camera gets on the stand and testifies. In the US of A, we have the right to face our accuser. Some camera company inGermany is not an accuser in the eyes of the court. Whoever gets a ticket is a victim of injustice. They lie with studies about safety. They claim its fer da cilluns. It really is all about extorting money from the populace. I see the speeders as perps, not victims. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Those are not victimless crimes. Everyone who gets a ticket is a victim. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Speeding
The speed laws are there to provide some protection to the driving public. We are not prepared to ban a lot of people with doubtful abilities and we do not do enough to train drivers and to re-train and re-test periodically, so we need to have limits low enough that we can survive some of the accidents that happen like the one that just got Clay. If the lady in the Suzuki had been going 80 mph, he might not now be here. Randy On 02/05/2013 9:30 PM, OK Don wrote: If you don't like the law (speed limits), work to get them changed --- Just because you don't like them doesn't mean that you get to ignore them. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Whoever gets a ticket is a victim of injustice. They lie with studies about safety. They claim its fer da cilluns. It really is all about extorting money from the populace. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Speeding
I hate it when criminals try to blame everything on high taxes. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Just think of it as a speed tax. If you want to go fast, you have to pay. That was standard terminology at the old speed shops. How much $ depended on how fast you wanted to do. Randy On 02/05/2013 9:23 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Nope. Not until a camera gets on the stand and testifies. In the US of A, we have the right to face our accuser. Some camera company inGermany is not an accuser in the eyes of the court. Whoever gets a ticket is a victim of injustice. They lie with studies about safety. They claim its fer da cilluns. It really is all about extorting money from the populace. I see the speeders as perps, not victims. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Those are not victimless crimes. Everyone who gets a ticket is a victim. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Forgive me for I have sinned
On 03/05/2013 10:44 AM, Craig wrote: On Fri, 03 May 2013 08:26:51 -0700 ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: there's a lot more electronics in a TDI than that zero electronics in a 240D. A 240D does not have zero electronics, but the comparison does still hold. Craig ___ Where? My 300D does not even have a radio (at the moment - just a hole in the dash). The wiring under the hood looks like knob and tube! Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Speeding
Ok, I give up. I don't understand that response at all. Randy On 03/05/2013 11:56 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I hate it when criminals try to blame everything on high taxes. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Just think of it as a speed tax. If you want to go fast, you have to pay. That was standard terminology at the old speed shops. How much $ depended on how fast you wanted to do. Randy On 02/05/2013 9:23 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Nope. Not until a camera gets on the stand and testifies. In the US of A, we have the right to face our accuser. Some camera company inGermany is not an accuser in the eyes of the court. Whoever gets a ticket is a victim of injustice. They lie with studies about safety. They claim its fer da cilluns. It really is all about extorting money from the populace. I see the speeders as perps, not victims. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Those are not victimless crimes. Everyone who gets a ticket is a victim. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Speeding
Sorry! I meant to say that speeders claim that the speed traps are merely a guise to raise revenues from oppressed citizens, and as such are a hidden tax. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Ok, I give up. I don't understand that response at all. Randy On 03/05/2013 11:56 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I hate it when criminals try to blame everything on high taxes. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Just think of it as a speed tax. If you want to go fast, you have to pay. That was standard terminology at the old speed shops. How much $ depended on how fast you wanted to do. Randy On 02/05/2013 9:23 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Nope. Not until a camera gets on the stand and testifies. In the US of A, we have the right to face our accuser. Some camera company inGermany is not an accuser in the eyes of the court. Whoever gets a ticket is a victim of injustice. They lie with studies about safety. They claim its fer da cilluns. It really is all about extorting money from the populace. I see the speeders as perps, not victims. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Those are not victimless crimes. Everyone who gets a ticket is a victim. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Forgive me for I have sinned
no ABS on our '85 300D; i've never seen or heard of one with ABS before this, though a quick look at Wikipedia claims that it was an option starting in 1980 300Ds (somewhere). not sure if that's an issue for us US'ers anyway; did they even sell a 240D here after 1983? OK, it's a stretch since you technically don't need them to run, but i'll concede that a VReg and Glow relay ? none.;-) cheers! e On 03/May/13 09:46, Dieselhead wrote: Voltage regulator, glow relay ABS on 85 123s Not power train, but radio really? what electronics are there in the powertrain of a 240D? cheers! e On 03/May/13 08:44, Craig wrote: On Fri, 03 May 2013 08:26:51 -0700 ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: there's a lot more electronics in a TDI than that zero electronics in a 240D. A 240D does not have zero electronics, but the comparison does still hold. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Forgive me for I have sinned
On Fri, 3 May 2013 11:46:29 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Voltage regulator, glow relay ABS on 85 123s Loren is correct for voltage regulator and glow plug relay. There are also the diodes in the alternator. You need all of these to be able to start and continue to run a 240D. So, a very small amount of electronics, but not zero. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Speeding and revenue
Enforcing speeding laws would be IL's ticket out of debt. Interstate speed limits are 55mph while everyone goes at least 70-85. Imagine the revenue they could generate. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (164,xxx mi) On 5/3/2013 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Sorry! I meant to say that speeders claim that the speed traps are merely a guise to raise revenues from oppressed citizens, and as such are a hidden tax. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Forgive me for I have sinned
I believe there is a timer circuit in the hazard relay as well. Dan On May 3, 2013, at 1:51 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 3 May 2013 11:46:29 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Voltage regulator, glow relay ABS on 85 123s Loren is correct for voltage regulator and glow plug relay. There are also the diodes in the alternator. You need all of these to be able to start and continue to run a 240D. So, a very small amount of electronics, but not zero. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners
Just a thought, but is it possible for the hoses to fail (like brake hoses can) to block flow? Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 10:53 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners Ha. So I may need another set of two NEW accumulators that bond with each other from inception (litter mates). This high maintenance cr*p is going to get expensive. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I recall a mis-matched set of used and new accumulators going in. Can't recall how many years ago it was. The advice of the list (as I remember) was that the used accumulator would shorten the life of the new one. I'm thinking thats the case here... -Curt Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 09:33:00 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners Message-ID: 5183bc8c.20...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Yeah, I had a warm goop shower. Felt REAL nice! Both accumulators were changed recently (last couple of years). I am beginning to wonder whether the hydropneumatic struts themselves are the problem. They don't leak, but I am not getting any cushioning going over potholes and there is nothing else to blame. Any way to test their resiliency (if that's the word)? The original accumulators were good for 5 years or so. The new ones are somewhat variable. The only way you'll get cushioning out of the struts is from the rubber mounts, unless there is air trapped in them somehow. I seem to recall something wrong with the way the work was done a couple of years ago but don't remember details. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D required electricals
BZT, partially wrong. None are *required* to start or run a 240D, they are required if you wish to have turn signals, wipers, or lights. My first Benz, '83 300SD, had the regulator go bad around dusk during a trip from AR to KS. We spent the night at a motel, called the Kansas City Benz dealer to confirm the part was in stock, got a jump start, then drove about 2 hours with minimal battery usage. When I pulled off the interstate in KC, the battery was so weak that the turn signal caused the speedometer to tick down about half of the actual speed. While I was lying under the Gold Beast, the service manager came out and asked what was up. When I told him, he says (in a thick German accent) ya, da foltage regulator. I bring you a jump kit. He helped me jump the SD and we were rolling less than 30 minutes and $35 after arriving at the dealer. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (164,xxx mi) On 5/3/2013 12:51 PM, Craig wrote: Loren is correct for voltage regulator and glow plug relay. There are also the diodes in the alternator. You need all of these to be able to start and continue to run a 240D. So, a very small amount of electronics, but not zero. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers [AND MACHETES ANDGATORS] and registering owners
I think we need to consider the real purpose of government. Is it to keep us safe or to keep us free? The two conflict quite a bit. Ron Paul recently said: Sadly, we have been conditioned to believe that the job of the government is to keep us safe, but in reality the job of the government is to protect our liberties. Once the government decides that its role is to keep us safe, whether economically or physically, they can only do so by taking away our liberties. That is what happened in Boston. Full article here... http://lewrockwell.com/paul/paul858.html -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of John Reames Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 8:59 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers [AND MACHETES ANDGATORS] and registering owners As this is really off-topic, I don't feel too ashamed in saying that maybe they should ban sports equipment (and perhaps dis-arm black belts?) Although a lacrosse stick didn't do much for a Loyola player at the Saturday Hopkins-Loyola game in Baltimore: http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1626290-johns-hopkins-lacrosse-player-l ays-a-stick-shattering-hit-against-loyola Or the YouTube video itself is at http://youtu.be/NrnHUpR501I (you can skip to 0:08) I think my shoulder has sympathy pain! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners
Yep. I had t to replace one when I started hemorrhaging SLS fluid. They aren't especially cheap, either... On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Just a thought, but is it possible for the hoses to fail (like brake hoses can) to block flow? Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 10:53 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners Ha. So I may need another set of two NEW accumulators that bond with each other from inception (litter mates). This high maintenance cr*p is going to get expensive. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I recall a mis-matched set of used and new accumulators going in. Can't recall how many years ago it was. The advice of the list (as I remember) was that the used accumulator would shorten the life of the new one. I'm thinking thats the case here... -Curt Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 09:33:00 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners Message-ID: 5183bc8c.20...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Yeah, I had a warm goop shower. Felt REAL nice! Both accumulators were changed recently (last couple of years). I am beginning to wonder whether the hydropneumatic struts themselves are the problem. They don't leak, but I am not getting any cushioning going over potholes and there is nothing else to blame. Any way to test their resiliency (if that's the word)? The original accumulators were good for 5 years or so. The new ones are somewhat variable. The only way you'll get cushioning out of the struts is from the rubber mounts, unless there is air trapped in them somehow. I seem to recall something wrong with the way the work was done a couple of years ago but don't remember details. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Speeding and revenue
Wouldn't it be way fairer to soak the rich through application of a progressive tax code, rather than burdening those who can least afford to pay these fines, as a means of shouldering the cost of governing. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: Enforcing speeding laws would be IL's ticket out of debt. Interstate speed limits are 55mph while everyone goes at least 70-85. Imagine the revenue they could generate. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (164,xxx mi) On 5/3/2013 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Sorry! I meant to say that speeders claim that the speed traps are merely a guise to raise revenues from oppressed citizens, and as such are a hidden tax. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Speeding and revenue
We the People in Arizona forced the speed cameras to be removed. Rampant fraud was part of the reason. The other part was the loss of Constitutional Right to face our accuser. Vote early Vote often.. it can work. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: Enforcing speeding laws would be IL's ticket out of debt. Interstate speed limits are 55mph while everyone goes at least 70-85. Imagine the revenue they could generate. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (164,xxx mi) On 5/3/2013 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Sorry! I meant to say that speeders claim that the speed traps are merely a guise to raise revenues from oppressed citizens, and as such are a hidden tax. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Tahrs and Bundts 4 sale
Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I am having four new 195X14 Kumho all season H rated tires installed on bundt alloys (rims) that I personally refinished (painted with Wurth silver and clear coated) for my 1985 diamond blue 300TD. Attaboy. I will probably be selling the four old but decent Michelins (2006 vintage) plus the bundts they are currently mounted on. I was going to use ebay but was wondering what to charge for SH per wheel/tire. Does UPS/Fedex/USPS accept tires/rims unboxed/unwrapped, adorned merely with a shipping label? Yes, but eBay wheels usually come in boxes IME. Shipping a 40lb package will vary greatly with distance. The buyer might rather buy a 20lb rim than a 40lb wheel assembly. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers [AND MACHETES ANDGATORS] and registering owners
On Fri, 3 May 2013 14:29:14 -0400 Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I think we need to consider the real purpose of government. Is it to keep us safe or to keep us free? The two conflict quite a bit. The preamble of the U.S. Constitution says, We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers [AND MACHETES ANDGATORS] and registering owners
Sounds good to me. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 3 May 2013 14:29:14 -0400 Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I think we need to consider the real purpose of government. Is it to keep us safe or to keep us free? The two conflict quite a bit. The preamble of the U.S. Constitution says, We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Tahrs and Bundts 4 sale
IME = ?? Should I get the shop to tear down the old wheels and separate the tires? On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I am having four new 195X14 Kumho all season H rated tires installed on bundt alloys (rims) that I personally refinished (painted with Wurth silver and clear coated) for my 1985 diamond blue 300TD. Attaboy. I will probably be selling the four old but decent Michelins (2006 vintage) plus the bundts they are currently mounted on. I was going to use ebay but was wondering what to charge for SH per wheel/tire. Does UPS/Fedex/USPS accept tires/rims unboxed/unwrapped, adorned merely with a shipping label? Yes, but eBay wheels usually come in boxes IME. Shipping a 40lb package will vary greatly with distance. The buyer might rather buy a 20lb rim than a 40lb wheel assembly. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Speeding and revenue
Why not enforce the laws that are already on the books instead of wasting time making new ones? Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (164,xxx mi) On 5/3/2013 1:33 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Wouldn't it be way fairer to soak the rich through application of a progressive tax code, rather than burdening those who can least afford to pay these fines, as a means of shouldering the cost of governing. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D required electricals
On Fri, 03 May 2013 13:22:04 -0500 Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: BZT, partially wrong. None are *required* to start or run a 240D, they are required if you wish to have turn signals, wipers, or lights. Actually no, not wrong. If you want to CONTINUE to be able to start your 240D, you do need to recharge the battery (which is what I meant in my reply to Loren -- my apologies for the poor wording). Also, glow plugs being glowed helps tremendously when it's cold. It's easiest to have the glow plug relay turn them on, but you could open up the relay box and manually push the relay, or jumper from the relay's output to the battery to cause them to glow. You are correct, though, that once a 240D is started it will continue to run without electricity. I don't know if that is true for more modern diesels. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Tahrs and Bundts 4 sale
On Fri, 3 May 2013 14:45:59 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: IME = ?? In My Estimation Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D required electricals
Which is why I said partially wrong :) Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (164,xxx mi) On 5/3/2013 1:50 PM, Craig wrote: Actually no, not wrong ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers [AND MACHETES ANDGATORS] and registering owners
On Fri, 3 May 2013 14:44:45 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds good to me. Too bad we have not stayed at only that. Craig On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 3 May 2013 14:29:14 -0400 Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I think we need to consider the real purpose of government. Is it to keep us safe or to keep us free? The two conflict quite a bit. The preamble of the U.S. Constitution says, We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Craig -- Present:'95 E320Sebastian 117 kmi '94 E420Oskar 127 kmi (awaiting parting out) '82 240D/3.0Bluebell 267 kmi (leaking diesel from somewhere in the engine compartment) Past: '86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc Emma '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Speeding and revenue
Maybe there is a need to change? Maybe the old laws have outlived their relevance or usefulness. Maybe there is a new problem that needs to be addressed. Lots of reasons. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: Why not enforce the laws that are already on the books instead of wasting time making new ones? Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (164,xxx mi) On 5/3/2013 1:33 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Wouldn't it be way fairer to soak the rich through application of a progressive tax code, rather than burdening those who can least afford to pay these fines, as a means of shouldering the cost of governing. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Tahrs and Bundts 4 sale
On May 3, 2013 9:40 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: What's wrong with them? They are rated highly by TahrRack. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 12:34 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Why are you trading down to Kumhos? Dimitri has an irrational hatred of all Korean technology. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Speeding
It is not a hidden tax as we all know we can be caught if we drive faster than the posted limits. It is not a certain tax. Most of the time we get away with it. Sometimes we get caught and have to pay up. Randy On 03/05/2013 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Sorry! I meant to say that speeders claim that the speed traps are merely a guise to raise revenues from oppressed citizens, and as such are a hidden tax. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Ok, I give up. I don't understand that response at all. Randy On 03/05/2013 11:56 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I hate it when criminals try to blame everything on high taxes. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Just think of it as a speed tax. If you want to go fast, you have to pay. That was standard terminology at the old speed shops. How much $ depended on how fast you wanted to do. Randy On 02/05/2013 9:23 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Nope. Not until a camera gets on the stand and testifies. In the US of A, we have the right to face our accuser. Some camera company inGermany is not an accuser in the eyes of the court. Whoever gets a ticket is a victim of injustice. They lie with studies about safety. They claim its fer da cilluns. It really is all about extorting money from the populace. I see the speeders as perps, not victims. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Those are not victimless crimes. Everyone who gets a ticket is a victim. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Speeding and revenue
Those who can least afford to pay fines, should be among the most careful drivers in order to avoid having to pay the fines. Randy On 03/05/2013 1:33 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Wouldn't it be way fairer to soak the rich through application of a progressive tax code, rather than burdening those who can least afford to pay these fines, as a means of shouldering the cost of governing. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: Enforcing speeding laws would be IL's ticket out of debt. Interstate speed limits are 55mph while everyone goes at least 70-85. Imagine the revenue they could generate. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (164,xxx mi) On 5/3/2013 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Sorry! I meant to say that speeders claim that the speed traps are merely a guise to raise revenues from oppressed citizens, and as such are a hidden tax. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Speeding
Ah, the voice of reason. Plentiful north of the border but in woefully short supply in the USA at the moment... On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: It is not a hidden tax as we all know we can be caught if we drive faster than the posted limits. It is not a certain tax. Most of the time we get away with it. Sometimes we get caught and have to pay up. Randy On 03/05/2013 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Sorry! I meant to say that speeders claim that the speed traps are merely a guise to raise revenues from oppressed citizens, and as such are a hidden tax. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Ok, I give up. I don't understand that response at all. Randy On 03/05/2013 11:56 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I hate it when criminals try to blame everything on high taxes. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Just think of it as a speed tax. If you want to go fast, you have to pay. That was standard terminology at the old speed shops. How much $ depended on how fast you wanted to do. Randy On 02/05/2013 9:23 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Nope. Not until a camera gets on the stand and testifies. In the US of A, we have the right to face our accuser. Some camera company inGermany is not an accuser in the eyes of the court. Whoever gets a ticket is a victim of injustice. They lie with studies about safety. They claim its fer da cilluns. It really is all about extorting money from the populace. I see the speeders as perps, not victims. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Those are not victimless crimes. Everyone who gets a ticket is a victim. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Tahrs and Bundts 4 sale
Haha. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On May 3, 2013 9:40 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: What's wrong with them? They are rated highly by TahrRack. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 12:34 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Why are you trading down to Kumhos? Dimitri has an irrational hatred of all Korean technology. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D required electricals
On May 3, 2013 11:50 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: You are correct, though, that once a 240D is started it will continue to run without electricity. I don't know if that is true for more modern diesels Probably a simple inverse function. The more modern they get, the worse they run without electrons flowing. For example, an '87 603 car like mine will run a bit rough if you disconnect the electronic idle controller (aka EDS). I wonder if the 602 in the 300D 2.5 Turbo goes into limp-home mode if the computer loses power, the way it does if it stops getting signals from the EGR valve? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Speeding and revenue
We are working on it in Florida. There is a guy over in St. Pete who has done a fantastic job refuting all the government claims about their advantages, yet they still voted them in against the wishes of their constituents. A local DA has received something like 4-5 red light camera tickets and gotten all of them thrown out. Seems that you don't have to come to a complete stop to turn right on a red light - you just have to slow to less than 12 mph. I know a couple of people who got them and challenged the ticket. Both got dismissed. If there was ever a bogus way of cleaning people's pockets I don't know of it. Dan On May 3, 2013, at 2:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: We the People in Arizona forced the speed cameras to be removed. Rampant fraud was part of the reason. The other part was the loss of Constitutional Right to face our accuser. Vote early Vote often.. it can work. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: Enforcing speeding laws would be IL's ticket out of debt. Interstate speed limits are 55mph while everyone goes at least 70-85. Imagine the revenue they could generate. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (164,xxx mi) On 5/3/2013 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Sorry! I meant to say that speeders claim that the speed traps are merely a guise to raise revenues from oppressed citizens, and as such are a hidden tax. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] mercedes wheels tires
Andrew why not just sell the wheels tires locally on craigslist i'd expect there would be takers at $100/ pair then no shipping thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Speeding and revenue
Speed trap: I-81 Wytheville, VA. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fw: 1985 Mercedes 300TD Wagon - $700 (lexington)
Paatz? Not mine, etc. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. - Forwarded Message - From: fred.s...@verizon.net fred.s...@verizon.net To: fredy4.s...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, May 3, 2013 4:03 PM Subject: 1985 Mercedes 300TD Wagon - $700 (lexington) fred.s...@verizon.net has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. Visit the posting at http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/3780970944.html to contact the person who posted this. 1985 Mercedes 300TD Wagon Date: 2013-05-02, 6:40PM Selling the whole thing for anyone that wants to use the parts. Has to be towed away. * Location: lexington * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/3780970944.html this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/U2FsdGVkX181MzkzNTM5M6f8ld6Q5LTWCVthT_JufPQgA2min6AnKLKDioSkqDiIpZeYm2YSwqGNihk05edVkA ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: 1985 Mercedes 300TD Wagon - $700 (lexington)
And it has a blue interior! On May 3, 2013 4:15 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com wrote: Paatz? Not mine, etc. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. - Forwarded Message - From: fred.s...@verizon.net fred.s...@verizon.net To: fredy4.s...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, May 3, 2013 4:03 PM Subject: 1985 Mercedes 300TD Wagon - $700 (lexington) fred.s...@verizon.net has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. Visit the posting at http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/3780970944.htmlto contact the person who posted this. 1985 Mercedes 300TD Wagon Date: 2013-05-02, 6:40PM Selling the whole thing for anyone that wants to use the parts. Has to be towed away. * Location: lexington * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/3780970944.html this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/U2FsdGVkX181MzkzNTM5M6f8ld6Q5LTWCVthT_JufPQgA2min6AnKLKDioSkqDiIpZeYm2YSwqGNihk05edVkA ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Speeding
Sadly, it is not all that common here either. Randy On 03/05/2013 2:33 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Ah, the voice of reason. Plentiful north of the border but in woefully short supply in the USA at the moment... On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: It is not a hidden tax as we all know we can be caught if we drive faster than the posted limits. It is not a certain tax. Most of the time we get away with it. Sometimes we get caught and have to pay up. Randy On 03/05/2013 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Sorry! I meant to say that speeders claim that the speed traps are merely a guise to raise revenues from oppressed citizens, and as such are a hidden tax. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Ok, I give up. I don't understand that response at all. Randy On 03/05/2013 11:56 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I hate it when criminals try to blame everything on high taxes. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Just think of it as a speed tax. If you want to go fast, you have to pay. That was standard terminology at the old speed shops. How much $ depended on how fast you wanted to do. Randy On 02/05/2013 9:23 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Nope. Not until a camera gets on the stand and testifies. In the US of A, we have the right to face our accuser. Some camera company inGermany is not an accuser in the eyes of the court. Whoever gets a ticket is a victim of injustice. They lie with studies about safety. They claim its fer da cilluns. It really is all about extorting money from the populace. I see the speeders as perps, not victims. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Those are not victimless crimes. Everyone who gets a ticket is a victim. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fuel cost consumption
Using discount fuel cards from local grocery chain, I save 20% on diesel. Filled my E300 with 22.8 gallons @ $3.22/gal. Car returned 27.3 mpg. Still smarts that diesel is more expensive than premium. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel cost consumption
I have noticed that diesel doesn't seem to be coming down like gas. It's still close to $4/gallon around here while I paid $4.45/gallon for premium at Sam's yesterday. Dan On May 3, 2013, at 5:28 PM, Max wrote: Using discount fuel cards from local grocery chain, I save 20% on diesel. Filled my E300 with 22.8 gallons @ $3.22/gal. Car returned 27.3 mpg. Still smarts that diesel is more expensive than premium. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Primaries
How MUSC board members selected? Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: A ballot cast here for either of the clowns will be meaningless. On another note, the boards for various colleges were recently up for new members, one of which was the Medical University (MUSC), which is something like 58% women students and many women faculty and staff. One woman on the board of a dozen or so now. Contending for a slot were 1) a very accomplished business woman who has done a lot with MUSC over the years, volunteering on various initiatives and committees, etc., and 2) the brother, a restaurant owner, of a local Dem legislator, who has no particular ties to the institution or any achievements related to the medical mission,but who is on some other local pol-appointed boards. Guess who won? So I sorta peripherally know the woman who is a big deal in the local Dem scene, she ran for something recently, maybe against Lulu for the Congressional seat. Anyway she sent out some email the other day about Lulu, so I sent her a note back: Somehow, the words ethical and reform in the same sentence regarding this state/county/city are incompatible, whether R or D involved. Leon should be tarred and feathered for all his pushing his brother into various things. --R On 5/2/13 4:19 PM,carol_tempel wrote: I advocated for susan. It's the process and an ethical reform issue. You would think one would abstain from voting for a sibling. Carol tempel Sent from my iPhone On May 2, 2013, at 2:21 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: You might be able to help me understand how your local boy Leon keeps pushing his brother for various things, when a very well-qualified woman would have been a much better choice for the MUSC board. One woman on the board? Unh huh, that is showing your commitment to inclusion and diversity and representation, Leon, with over half the students of the female persuasion. But I'm sure his brother's extensive experience with MUSC will make him the better choice over the long term. Yessirree... http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20130502/PC16/130509849/1005/new-college-board-members-include-many-with-connections --R --R On 5/3/13 10:50 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: By living in D.C. I am pre-disenfranchised and need a place to cast a meaningful ballot. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: No you gots to have a gummint-issued ID now to disenfranchise you. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Speeding and revenue
Enforcing speeding laws would be IL's ticket out of debt. Interstate speed limits are 55mph while everyone goes at least 70-85. Imagine the revenue they could generate. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (164,xxx mi) Its IL. THey money would never make it to the state coffers somehow/anyhow. It would go to Rohm, Se IU, afs CME, Hof fa, bumbster, Corny A's or somewhere. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners
Just a thought, but is it possible for the hoses to fail (like brake hoses can) to block flow? Scott The spheres are hard line. I remember buying new hard lines for the 124 struts. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel cost consumption
On Fri, 03 May 2013 17:31:07 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I have noticed that diesel doesn't seem to be coming down like gas. It's still close to $4/gallon around here while I paid $4.45/gallon for premium at Sam's yesterday. So diesel is less than premium in your part of Florida? BTW, I got another bounce email from dpen...@verizon.net via postoffice.home. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Struts
IIRC Jim rebuilt a 126 strut. Recently on the MBCA forum a fellow posted a terrific step-by-step with pictures to rebuild a 123 strut. Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Jim, Thanks for the information - it is quite helpful! I have never had to RR a hydraulic strut, so I wasn't aware that they could be disassembled. Where did you source the parts for it? Thanks, Dan On May 3, 2013, at 11:51 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: The struts provide no spring action, because there is no energy storage medium inside (unless full of air, and it went in at atmospheric pressure and would be compressed to minuscule dimensions by the base pressure). The leak holes in the strut's interior piston provide the bulk of the damping, but some is provided by oil viscosity through the hose and into the accumulator. The coil springs support the bulk of the weight of the car, the strut's piston rod area (what goes through the seal) times the base pressure supports the rest of the weight, and as the system pressure rises due to oil being pumped into the accumulator by the strut, compressing _its_ stored nitrogen gas to higher pressures, the strut (like all springs) pushes back harder. The strut, however, in conjunction with the oil, is only a transmission, the force is all coming from the compressed nitrogen. If you have normal ride height and oil viscosity, and there are no abby-normal occlusions in the pipes, if you have extra-hard spring action it _has_ to be accumulator failure. There's just not enough there for it to be anything else. Going through my SEL the hard way was an education. The strut was made to be serviceable, though it is never done. Replacement only. The accumulator was not. If it were built more like the strut, with serviceable seals and a hard piston instead of a heavy rubber bladder, and a way to replenish the stored gas, the system would never need new parts except for seals. Small cheap parts, and a shot of nitrogen now and then from the bottle, with the suspension at full travel. Good as new. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers [AND MACHETES AND GATORS] and registering owners
Eat, swim, reproduce? Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com wrote: 3 Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers [AND MACHETES AND GATORS] and registering owners Victimless and non-violent crime, I am having a hard time with that one. I don't think gators have taste neurons, their brain is about the size of a golf ball, which allows them to do 2 main things. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fw: Trying to get on the Okiebenz list
- Original Message - From: Darren Marshall To: WILTON Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 12:29 PM Subject: Re: Trying to get on the Okiebenz list Thank you sir, appreciate the nudge. I recently had a 78 240d hauled in from Oregon (to Chicago), super clean-- brakes are just locked up, and looking around for pads and calipers, but this is my first vintage mb, so not sure where to look, or what to buy as things range from ~$70/ea to ~$400/ea on the calipers/hardware. Any recommendations? Darren 312-208-4328 On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 9:09 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Thanks for the vote of confidence, but I'm afraid I don't have any influence on anybody. I'll forward the msg, though, to try to get list mom's attention. 'Hope you can join us; we welcome new and more ideas. Wilton - Original Message - From: Darren Marshall onecreat...@gmail.com To: wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 9:26 PM Subject: Trying to get on the Okiebenz list I submitted the application almost a week ago and haven't heard back... I'm getting the emails but I can't respond or post to the group... I see you are really active, so figured I'd reach out and ask--Do you know if there's someone I can nudge to get this going? Thanks! Darren Marshall http://doejo.com http://bowtruss.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers [AND MACHETES AND GATORS] and registering owners
Eat, eliminate and reproduce. Basics. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 3, 2013 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers [AND MACHETES AND GATORS] and registering owners Eat, swim, reproduce? Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com wrote: 3 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Forgive me for I have sinned
Did da boy doc get one yet? Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Forgive me for I have sinned Base 5-hole Focus $16k give or take. --R On 5/3/13 10:29 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Not much lists for $17k anymore, Ford Fiesta maybe. The base Jetta TDI I was looking at was $23k, Passat TDI starts at about $3k more, Jetta wagon TDI is about $25k. Those are all base prices but there aren't many options really, sunroof, DSG, premium sound system... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trying to get on the Okiebenz list
For parts, call Trent at BuyMBParts, 800-741-5252. Wilton - Original Message - From: Darren Marshall To: WILTON Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 12:29 PM Subject: Re: Trying to get on the Okiebenz list Thank you sir, appreciate the nudge. I recently had a 78 240d hauled in from Oregon (to Chicago), super clean-- brakes are just locked up, and looking around for pads and calipers, but this is my first vintage mb, so not sure where to look, or what to buy as things range from ~$70/ea to ~$400/ea on the calipers/hardware. Any recommendations? Darren 312-208-4328 On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 9:09 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Thanks for the vote of confidence, but I'm afraid I don't have any influence on anybody. I'll forward the msg, though, to try to get list mom's attention. 'Hope you can join us; we welcome new and more ideas. Wilton - Original Message - From: Darren Marshall onecreat...@gmail.com To: wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 9:26 PM Subject: Trying to get on the Okiebenz list I submitted the application almost a week ago and haven't heard back... I'm getting the emails but I can't respond or post to the group... I see you are really active, so figured I'd reach out and ask--Do you know if there's someone I can nudge to get this going? Thanks! Darren Marshall http://doejo.com http://bowtruss.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: Trying to get on the Okiebenz list
On Fri, 3 May 2013 17:44:04 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Darren Marshall To: WILTON Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 12:29 PM Subject: Re: Trying to get on the Okiebenz list Thank you sir, appreciate the nudge. I recently had a 78 240d hauled in from Oregon (to Chicago), super clean-- brakes are just locked up, and looking around for pads and calipers, but this is my first vintage mb, so not sure where to look, or what to buy as things range from ~$70/ea to ~$400/ea on the calipers/hardware. Any recommendations? Darren 312-208-4328 Q Jr. http://www.buymbparts.biz 1-800-741-5252 Calipers: http://www.buymbparts.biz/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=1978-Mercedes--benz-240d-Brakeyearid=1978%40%401978makeid=63%40%40Mercedes-Benzmodelid=6138%3AMBC|1489%3AED|1129%40%40240Dcatid=241658%40%40Brakesubcatid=241674@@Brake Caliper prices have more than doubled in the 10 years since I last bought a pair. A new ATE caliper is $260. An ATE caliper rebuilt by CARDONE is $102. An ATE caliper rebuilt by WORLD BRAKE RESOURCES is $69. I don't know which of the rebuilts is to be preferred. Rusty, can you tell us? Pads: http://www.buymbparts.biz/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=1978-Mercedes--benz-240d-Brakeyearid=1978%40%401978makeid=63%40%40Mercedes-Benzmodelid=6138%3AMBC|1489%3AED|1129%40%40240Dcatid=241658%40%40Brakesubcatid=241666@@Brake Q Jr. lists Akebono ceramic pads for the rear at http://www.buymbparts.biz/item.wws?sku=W0133-1659802itempk=10899mfr=Akebonoweight=1.70 but not the same type for the front. If you replace calipers in pairs, you don't have to worry about the manufacturer of the old caliper (ATE or Bendix). Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers [AND MACHETES ANDGATORS] and registering owners
You ask, I answer, tempered with a very old school education during which study of the history of the formation of our government and the Constitution was a required course of study over 12 years. As founded and as intended, [study Federalist papers for legislative intent of words used to write Constitution, come back to me in 5 years], government was only formed to serve We the People for very specific and carefully enumerated purposes. Much of the wording of Constitution is dedicated to very specifically limiting the powers and actions of government and very specifically ensuring all powers not specifically given to the government SHALL [very exacting legal word] reside with the States [who are also very limited by the Constitution in their powers] and to the Citizens [spelled with a capital letter to annotate the superior powers reserved to Citizens]. I was taught, and clearly understand, that ALL powers not specifically granted to government, SHALL and DOES reside with the Citizens [legal ones only]. Further, what is given can be taken back by the original grantor, Said powers reside with Citizens, they are granted to government to be used only under good stewardship. At ANY time, should the Citizens [We the People] so choose, said powers can be revoked. The powers given to government are neither permanent, nor non-revokable. They can be withdrawn at any time the Citizens so choose, by any means deemed necessary. As evidence of this power, see, 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment, et al. Government workers [and elected representatives] take an oath to uphold the Constitution, before they can serve in office. This act of oath taking manifests their agreement to the power of the document and the powers reserved to the Citizens. Breach of oath of office holds serious consequences. Unfortunately, We the People have failed to hold said elected representatives accountable [POTUS on down, even IRS agents take the oath]. Failure to promptly execute charges does not relieve them from misdeeds. As a function of law, there is no statue of limitation on fraud. Breach of oath of office is fraud. I relinquish the soap box to the gentleman from x. Grant... Who served on the floor of the House of Representatives as a Congressional Aid for some time when there were actually Statesmen rather than professional politicians holding office. One of those being my Father. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 3 May 2013 14:29:14 -0400 Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I think we need to consider the real purpose of government. Is it to keep us safe or to keep us free? The two conflict quite a bit. The preamble of the U.S. Constitution says, We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Forgive me for I have sinned
On Fri, 03 May 2013 14:13:40 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I believe there is a timer circuit in the hazard relay as well. Yes, that seems logical. But it, along with the radio, is not necessary for continued starting and running. Craig On May 3, 2013, at 1:51 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 3 May 2013 11:46:29 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Voltage regulator, glow relay ABS on 85 123s Loren is correct for voltage regulator and glow plug relay. There are also the diodes in the alternator. You need all of these to be able to start and continue to run a 240D. So, a very small amount of electronics, but not zero. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Craig -- Present:'95 E320Sebastian 117 kmi '94 E420Oskar 127 kmi (awaiting parting out) '82 240D/3.0Bluebell 267 kmi (leaking diesel from somewhere in the engine compartment) Past: '86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc Emma '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners
Different fluids (oil here vs brake fluid), so I'm skeptical, but I did replace hoses with accumulators on both my wagons. Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Just a thought, but is it possible for the hoses to fail (like brake hoses can) to block flow? Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 10:53 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners Ha. So I may need another set of two NEW accumulators that bond with each other from inception (litter mates). This high maintenance cr*p is going to get expensive. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I recall a mis-matched set of used and new accumulators going in. Can't recall how many years ago it was. The advice of the list (as I remember) was that the used accumulator would shorten the life of the new one. I'm thinking thats the case here... -Curt Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 09:33:00 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners Message-ID: 5183bc8c.20...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Yeah, I had a warm goop shower. Felt REAL nice! Both accumulators were changed recently (last couple of years). I am beginning to wonder whether the hydropneumatic struts themselves are the problem. They don't leak, but I am not getting any cushioning going over potholes and there is nothing else to blame. Any way to test their resiliency (if that's the word)? The original accumulators were good for 5 years or so. The new ones are somewhat variable. The only way you'll get cushioning out of the struts is from the rubber mounts, unless there is air trapped in them somehow. I seem to recall something wrong with the way the work was done a couple of years ago but don't remember details. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel cost consumption
Yep, sorta upsetting to hafta pay $4 for a gallon of ten-cent fuel. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 5:28 PM Subject: [MBZ] Fuel cost consumption Using discount fuel cards from local grocery chain, I save 20% on diesel. Filled my E300 with 22.8 gallons @ $3.22/gal. Car returned 27.3 mpg. Still smarts that diesel is more expensive than premium. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel cost consumption
On May 3, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Still smarts that diesel is more expensive than premium Around here regular is $3.85 and tax exempt diesel is $3.57. I have found one or two fuel stations that sell tax exempt diesel to passenger cars. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Tahrs and Bundts 4 sale
On May 3, 2013, at 2:05 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: Dimitri has an irrational hatred of all Korean technology. Dimitri has a dislike for ALL Asian technology, I think. I have read his rants against Toyotas luxury transportation appliance division. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Speeding and revenue
No. Those of us outside the beltway and who have been taught critical thinking call that income redistribution aka stealing. Done in the name of government doesn't change the morality of it. Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Wouldn't it be way fairer to soak the rich through application of a progressive tax code, rather than burdening those who can least afford to pay these fines, as a means of shouldering the cost of governing. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners
On Apr 29, 2013, at 8:16 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: A classmate of mine in college who was an extremely gifted artist killed his mother with a hammer over one of the breaks. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 29, 2013, at 8:50 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: When I was in college a friend inadvisedly took an apartment in a very bad part of town. Not long after moving in a guy was killed by a hammer wielding assailant in the apartment next door. Apparently it took quite awhile and was quite noisy. My friend of course called the constabulary who took their sweet time in arriving as most of the occupants of the apartment building were generally considered to be scum and the hammer saved a bullet. In the next city over from me, a fellow committed suicide with a hammer. Or so the local police said. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1986-01-14/news/8601040400_1_diane-cooley-claw-hammer-hobart Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
