Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL

2013-11-20 Thread Dan Penoff
Thanks for the comments, Jaime. The car is a two owner car, starting out in Southern CA with the original owner and moving to TX about 15 years ago with the present owner. The current owner drove it as a weekend car, putting a small amount (about 40k) of the 160k that's on it. About 10 years

Re: [MBZ] [Banned_misfits] My, but I'm one boring driver.

2013-11-20 Thread G Mann
Apparently, 4th Amendment of Constitution is not taught in schools now.. or read in Congress, or by police agencies.. To bad.. welcome to the total nanny state, where you will be given what the state determines you need or want, and controls what you do.. Oh... wait... there is that pesky 2nd

Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL

2013-11-20 Thread WILTON
I managed to move along fairly well in a 47hp Karman Ghia and a 67hp(?) '80 240D. ;) Wilt - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 2:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL or,

[MBZ] DFW and Surrounds?

2013-11-20 Thread Dan Penoff
Anyone near Denton, TX that could look at a car for me? Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] [Banned_misfits] My, but I'm one boring driver.

2013-11-20 Thread Michael Canfield
In case of the 16th ammendment. Mike On Nov 20, 2013 10:13 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, 4th Amendment of Constitution is not taught in schools now.. or read in Congress, or by police agencies.. To bad.. welcome to the total nanny state, where you will be given what the

[MBZ] Mercedes pR0n of the day

2013-11-20 Thread Rich Thomas
http://jalopnik.com/no-1468062272/@jasontorch --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

[MBZ] mete8y4u Pilot Error

2013-11-20 Thread Gerry Archer
Russian crash investigators find voice recorder The last word the pilot of the Boeing 737 uttered was circle. Moments later the jetliner slammed into the ground, investigators said Wednesday, killing all 50 people on board. The Moscow-based Interstate Aviation Committee, which investigates

Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL

2013-11-20 Thread OK Don
You have to take into consideration the power (including torque) to weight ratio. That Karman Ghia wieghted what, 2200 lb.? The 240D was more like 3400 lb., but had far more torque than HP. The R107 looks fast, so ought to be somewhat fast. It's a grand touring car afterall. I'm a firm believer in

Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL

2013-11-20 Thread Dwight Giles
Attaboy wilton. Go for it. On Nov 19, 2013 10:33 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Walker folds compactly, and Scooter breaks down in 30 seconds into 4 very manageable parts - not nearly as much space needed as most people think. I'd bet an '84 380SL'd work just fine. I may hafta watch for

Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL

2013-11-20 Thread Jim Cathey
I may be able to get it for under $4k, which could make it worthwhile one it has been inspected and gets a clean bill of health. Absolutely, if it is as I imagine it from your description. I know the 380 is far from a rocket ship, but I don't care about that and would rather have the fuel

[MBZ] OT: The glow plugs came on!

2013-11-20 Thread Curt Raymond
It was about 20F this morning when I went out to start my commute, the coldest by far since I've owned the TDI. I find this car fascinating since its so different from my old MBs. Normally the glow plug light just blinks in a POTS (power on self test) and the glow plugs don't do anything.

Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL

2013-11-20 Thread Gary Hurst
i just drove home from GA in a rented hyundai elantra. specs read as follows Power (SAE): 148 hp @ 6,500 rpm; 131 ft lb of torque @ 4,700 rpm Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2013/hyundai/elantra/specifications/#ixzz2lCzYQTb6 i drive backroads so i must have passed dozens of big rigs.

Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL

2013-11-20 Thread Gary Hurst
my 220D made 57HP. i was passing all the big V8s all day long on the interstate. (except when going uphill. that was a wholly different matter!) with 150HP, i easily have enough to be in the top 5% of speed on the road, even though most modern cards have more power On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at

Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL

2013-11-20 Thread Curt Raymond
I agree, I've been very pleased with my 90hp (150 lb/ft) Jetta. My commute has gotten shorter in duration as I zip down the highway at 80mph. Need to work on slowing down to get my fuel economy back up. The one tank I made myself slow down I managed 52mpg, the others are around 47. -Curt

Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL

2013-11-20 Thread Dan Penoff
My thoughts exactly. I have a brother in law who is all horsepower and bling. He has a late model Rousch (?) Mustang, which he likes to take out on the rural roads around Champaign, IL and drive at high speeds. Not sure why. I'm waiting for him to wrap it around a fence post. I hope it

Re: [MBZ] OT: The glow plugs came on!

2013-11-20 Thread Randy Bennell
On 20/11/2013 11:41 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: It was about 20F this morning when I went out to start my commute, the coldest by far since I've owned the TDI. I find this car fascinating since its so different from my old MBs. Normally the glow plug light just blinks in a POTS (power on self

Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL

2013-11-20 Thread WILTON
Yep Wilt - Original Message - From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL You have to take into consideration the power (including torque) to weight ratio. That Karman

Re: [MBZ] horsepower

2013-11-20 Thread Randy Bennell
I am not so sure that I agree with you all. I can drive my old 300D and it does reasonably well, but there are times when it could use a bit more. For example, pulling onto the highway from a dead stop with a 90 degree turn and uphill for the next half mile or so. I have to be careful not to

Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL

2013-11-20 Thread WILTON
BTW, I ran/drove a '70 Chrysler at Daytona about '71; really, yes, I did, too - well 2 circuits, anyway. ;) Wilt - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ]

Re: [MBZ] OT: The glow plugs came on!

2013-11-20 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Nov 20, 2013 9:42 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Another interesting part of this ('98 Jetta TDI) car is how long it takes to get heat. Right now it takes just about twice as long as my '84 190D. On the TDI boards they put this down to the efficiency of the engine. My

Re: [MBZ] OT: The glow plugs came on!

2013-11-20 Thread Fmiser
Curt wrote: Another interesting part of this ('98 Jetta TDI) car is how long it takes to get heat. Right now it takes just about twice as long as my '84 190D. On the TDI boards they put this down to the efficiency of the engine. I think that a lot of the folks driving them baby the engines

Re: [MBZ] OT: The glow plugs came on!

2013-11-20 Thread Randy Bennell
On 20/11/2013 1:00 PM, Fmiser wrote: Curt wrote: Another interesting part of this ('98 Jetta TDI) car is how long it takes to get heat. Right now it takes just about twice as long as my '84 190D. On the TDI boards they put this down to the efficiency of the engine. I think that a lot of the

Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL

2013-11-20 Thread clay
Give the kid the S500. There is nothing so entertaining as tooling around in a R107. Wind in the hair, sun, bugs in the teeth. If you do get it for under $5k, that is a pretty good score. It sounds like it was well loved. The lack of power is an illusion. The 450SL is slow out the gate,

Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL

2013-11-20 Thread clay
+1 Gary I was thinking about how Gump performed. She would take a bit to get to speed, but once there, she held onto it fairly well. Never was going to be a speed demon, but very enjoyable to drive. clay On Nov 20, 2013, at 9:35 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: my 220D made 57HP. i was passing

Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL

2013-11-20 Thread Craig
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 07:39:29 -0500 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: It's had about 10k put on it in the last ten years. The car is garaged at all times. Full service records, too. Sounds like a good car to pursue. I know the 380 is far from a rocket ship, but I don't care about that and

Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL

2013-11-20 Thread Craig
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:18:35 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a firm believer in you can't have too much HP, but usually can't afford to purchase or feed as much as you'd like. Just like the ones with four legs, feeding those ponies is costly. The 450SLC had decent power, but the

Re: [MBZ] OT: The glow plugs came on!

2013-11-20 Thread clay
Finally hit 0.0c this morning, frost on the glass. Fired up the w220 and then got out and sprayed the glass with frost be gone. Squeegee the windows and got back in. Fired up the defog and tried to drive off. Could not see a dang thing. Feeble response from the defog, and it took forever

Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL

2013-11-20 Thread Curt Raymond
The big HP guys are just the first ones to the accident. Kid next door bought a Mustang for his first car, we'll see how he does through his first winter... -Curt Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:54:42 -0500 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject:

Re: [MBZ] OT: The glow plugs came on!

2013-11-20 Thread Curt Raymond
A lot of guys install a coolant heater. Apparently there aren't freeze plugs so thats not an option. I suppose the advantage of the coolant heater is quick heat in the morning. Its interesting to see guys on TDI club saying now that its cold out, then you check and they're in Virginia or

Re: [MBZ] horsepower

2013-11-20 Thread Curt Raymond
So what happens if they run you down? They step on the brake and honk the horn and blast past you. Who cares? You've fallen for the line that you need more power. In reality you like more power or maybe even want more power but you don't need it. In fact most of the time as we've discussed you

Re: [MBZ] OT: The glow plugs came on!

2013-11-20 Thread Curt Raymond
The coolant glowplugs. Mine has 3, the idea is to get them to heat the coolant a little faster. IIRC they don't come on until the engine is running and are of debatable value. -Curt Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:27:22 -0800 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion

Re: [MBZ] OT: The glow plugs came on!

2013-11-20 Thread Curt Raymond
Or drive faster ;) -Curt Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 13:16:59 -0600 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The glow plugs came on! Message-ID: 528d0aab.6010...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1;

Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL

2013-11-20 Thread Dan Penoff
What's funny is that he travels for business, and his work car is a Buick Regal. The 'stang lives in the garage and only comes out in good weather. On Nov 20, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: The big HP guys are just the first ones to the accident. Kid next door

Re: [MBZ] horsepower

2013-11-20 Thread Randy Bennell
I have commented on the spot that I was thinking about before in other posts. When I have driven the old 300D to the lake in the summer I have encountered a spot that causes me to wish the car had more ability to accelerate. On the outskirts of Kenora, Ontario, the road comes to a T

Re: [MBZ] Polishing concrete and bow ties

2013-11-20 Thread Craig
On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 18:37:02 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Do Okie men wear those ridiculous bolo things? I saw some bow ties at Kohls a couple months ago. Considered buying one but wasn't sure which were good ones and which weren't...

Re: [MBZ] [Banned_misfits] My, but I'm one boring driver.

2013-11-20 Thread Randy Bennell
On 19/11/2013 1:30 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: This is laughable that the owner owns the data as the cops and insco will say there is an investigation that requires the data. No doubt NSA will suck out the data from drive-by sniffers. I am thinking that having an EMP generator sitting next to the

Re: [MBZ] [Banned_misfits] My, but I'm one boring driver.

2013-11-20 Thread Rich Thomas
Then you don't activate the EMP with a manual switch. On another note, I see that Russian drivers are really bad (drunk a lot it seems) so almost everyone has dashcams to record what goes on. --R On 11/20/13 4:22 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 19/11/2013 1:30 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: This is

Re: [MBZ] I am about to be ill

2013-11-20 Thread Tim Crone
On Nov 19, 2013 9:49 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 19, 2013 5:09 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: ). You seem to be in this part of the tech world? Go ahead and tell us what the fiasco about healthcare is all about. Ha! I'm not touching

[MBZ] 126 Lower Ball Joint Tool

2013-11-20 Thread Scott Ritchey
The $100 eBay ball joint tool arrived today. It looks nicely made and finished. The drift mates nicely with the contour on the underside of the ball joint, although I previously pounded out the old joint using a big socket. The tool fits snugly over the new ball joint boot without damaging the

Re: [MBZ] mete8y4u Pilot Error

2013-11-20 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
I kept reading this waiting for the punch line. I guess its no joke :-( On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: Russian crash investigators find voice recorder The last word the pilot of the Boeing 737 uttered was circle. Moments later the jetliner

Re: [MBZ] I am about to be ill

2013-11-20 Thread Mountain Man
Alex wrote: Ha! I'm not touching that one. Tim - thanks for the link to ars article. It seems that politically the complexity of the new systems should have been highlighted as failure happened early in October instead of now. Massive infrastructure, dependencies, etc are understandable and

Re: [MBZ] mete8y4u Pilot Error

2013-11-20 Thread Randy Bennell
Well, sadly, if the time between the pull up and the stall, and the push back down and hit the runway only took about 45 seconds, there was not much time to say anything. On 20/11/2013 7:14 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: I kept reading this waiting for the punch line. I guess its no joke :-(

Re: [MBZ] mete8y4u Pilot Error

2013-11-20 Thread Mountain Man
Jaime wrote: I kept reading this waiting for the punch line. I guess its no joke :-( More likely a kgb killing like the Poland president crash several years ago. Just find the important politics in the passenger list to find why it went down. Plus, many pilots really are not cut out to be in

Re: [MBZ] mete8y4u Pilot Error

2013-11-20 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Actually, I've had a beard for about 10 years now! Glad you like it... Lots of stuff goes in my weird little part of Montvale. I'm with RD, not the sales and marketing people up the hill. My wardrobe definitely doesn't match their dress code. Jaime On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 8:28 PM, Mountain

Re: [MBZ] mete8y4u Pilot Error

2013-11-20 Thread Mountain Man
More on situational awareness: online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304439804579204202526288042 Count on the same type of analysis for our 4-wheel conveyance vehicles some day as Jaime increases the amount of mechanical/computer oversight and control that Montvale thinks is best for us.

Re: [MBZ] DFW and Surrounds?

2013-11-20 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Which one? On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Anyone near Denton, TX that could look at a car for me? Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe

Re: [MBZ] mete8y4u Pilot Error

2013-11-20 Thread Rich Thomas
I welcome our electronic overlords. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Nov 20, 2013, at 10:00 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: More on situational awareness: online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304439804579204202526288042 Count on the same type of analysis for our 4-wheel

Re: [MBZ] OT: The glow plugs came on!

2013-11-20 Thread OK Don
IIRC, the MB cars, at least the old ones I drove, had that little water pump in the heater circuit that circulated the coolant around the head and to the heater before the thermostat opens to let the coolant start flowing through everything else. This is to provide heat ASAP to the cabin. I've

Re: [MBZ] OT: The glow plugs came on!

2013-11-20 Thread OK Don
Curt's 190D didn't burn a lot of extra fuel either, but still provided plenty of heat. It was engineered to do so. A VW is not. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: One of my neighbors accross the lane drives a Golf TDI. His solution was to have seat

Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL

2013-11-20 Thread OK Don
The son needs a 240D if he's a new driver - let him learn to drive in the real world in that car for a few years, then let him drive a car with more power - safest way to start driving. Yup - mpst pf my kids started in a 240D. They are all still alive today, and have never wrecked a car. On Wed,

Re: [MBZ] horsepower

2013-11-20 Thread OK Don
I think there are two ways to have fun driving - with lots of power to play with, and with very little power, requiring you to get the max all the time. I enjoyed driving the low powered (cheap) '60s sports cars, my VW bug (1951), and I also enjoyed driving the V8 powered MGA. Most of the rest in

Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL

2013-11-20 Thread clay
I have a lead on a nice 220D stick with a parts vergasser, also stick. Mid america location clay On Nov 20, 2013, at 7:37 PM, OK Don wrote: The son needs a 240D if he's a new driver - let him learn to drive in the real world in that car for a few years, then let him drive a car with more

Re: [MBZ] horsepower

2013-11-20 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:43 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I think there are two ways to have fun driving - with lots of power to play with, and with very little power, requiring you to get the max all the time. I'm pretty amused by the reviews of the new Toyota/Subaru joint-venture RWD

Re: [MBZ] 126 Lower Ball Joint Tool

2013-11-20 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Do you have a link to the tool on eBay? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2013, at 6:48 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: The $100 eBay ball joint tool arrived today. It looks nicely made and finished. The drift mates nicely with the contour on the underside of the ball joint,

Re: [MBZ] Speaking of CNG (was: Is liquid fuel from various quickie marts trustworthy?)

2013-11-20 Thread Craig
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 21:46:44 -0500 Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Interesting development from Chrysler, http://www.autonews.com/article/20131112/OEM04/131119977/chrysler-mimics-human-lung-to-broaden-cng-use I finally got around to following the link. It's very short on

Re: [MBZ] 126 Lower Ball Joint Tool

2013-11-20 Thread Scott Ritchey
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