Re: [MBZ] What is difference in 617 Diesel Glow Plugs?

2013-12-02 Thread Jim Cathey
Except that it took SO LONG when it was cold, and if one plug burnt out, they were all dead - series wiring. I was really glad to get a car with the new style plugs. Alligator clip jumper over the bad one, and go on? Well, that was a problem with the series plugs somewhat independent of the

Re: [MBZ] I can't think of a crappier way to start the day….

2013-12-02 Thread Jim Cathey
You mean like, "Peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot nine days old" ? IIRC that's pease porridge. Just as yummy, no matter how spelt! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

Re: [MBZ] What is difference in 617 Diesel Glow Plugs?

2013-12-02 Thread Craig
On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 22:51:46 -0600 OK Don wrote: > Except that it took SO LONG when it was cold, and if one plug burnt out, > they were all dead - series wiring. I was really glad to get a car with > the new style plugs. Well, that was a problem with the series plugs somewhat independent of the w

Re: [MBZ] I can't think of a crappier way to start the day….

2013-12-02 Thread Craig
On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 22:37:56 -0500 Dan Penoff wrote: > Looks like Mitch's mail account hiccuped. It's done this before. Mitch's? Or Kalebs? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or chan

Re: [MBZ] What is difference in 617 Diesel Glow Plugs?

2013-12-02 Thread OK Don
Except that it took SO LONG when it was cold, and if one plug burnt out, they were all dead - series wiring. I was really glad to get a car with the new style plugs. Auto climate control is SO good, that I insisted on it in the VW when it was replacing the 300D 2.5T. Yes, I had the dreaded ACC II

Re: [MBZ] What is difference in 617 Diesel Glow Plugs?

2013-12-02 Thread rogerhga
Jaime, Thanks for the info on the glow plugs. I'll try to use the tapers if I have enough, otherwise, I'll go with the old style. I'm having trouble starting the 80 300SD now. The last time this happened it was the relay that had gone bad, but I'm going with a filter change and new glow plugs t

Re: [MBZ] I can't think of a crappier way to start the day….

2013-12-02 Thread Dan Penoff
Looks like Mitch's mail account hiccuped. It's done this before. Dan Sent from my iPad > On Dec 2, 2013, at 10:25 PM, Craig wrote: > > On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 20:37:33 -0600 Mountain Man > wrote: > >>> On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: >>> How's about now? >> >> Nope - no pic

Re: [MBZ] What is difference in 617 Diesel Glow Plugs?

2013-12-02 Thread Gary Hurst
makes so much more sense to me. no relay to fail. hold it extra long on cold days. nearly as senseless as automatic climate control On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Craig wrote: > On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 22:09:51 -0500 Gary Hurst > wrote: > > > i still miss the manually controlled glow plug set

Re: [MBZ] What is difference in 617 Diesel Glow Plugs?

2013-12-02 Thread Craig
On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 22:09:51 -0500 Gary Hurst wrote: > i still miss the manually controlled glow plug setup With the big pull knob and the "salt shaker" indicator. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ T

Re: [MBZ] I can't think of a crappier way to start the day….

2013-12-02 Thread Craig
On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 20:37:33 -0600 Mountain Man wrote: > On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: > > How's about now? > > Nope - no pics, 9-days old. You mean like, "Peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot nine days old" ? Craig ___

[MBZ] Glow plug current draw [was Re: What is difference in 617 Diesel Glow Plugs?]

2013-12-02 Thread Craig
On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 21:37:31 -0500 Jaime Kopchinski wrote: > I believe the tapered ones are all that are available (from MB at least) > now. They're the "fast glow" plugs. There were pencil plugs available > that were not so fast, which is what your 300SD might have originally > come with... man

Re: [MBZ] Testing Glow Plugs

2013-12-02 Thread Jim Cathey
I thought that a single plug started out over 20 and quickly dropped as it heated. Something like that. Cold, the GP's are about 0.7 ohms. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or chan

Re: [MBZ] OT - Battery charger RIP

2013-12-02 Thread Jim Cathey
just makes a faint humming sound and puts out no current. Diode? If the humming is 'normal' level it would be something like that. So long as it isn't the transformer you could probably fix it easily. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list ar

Re: [MBZ] What is difference in 617 Diesel Glow Plugs?

2013-12-02 Thread Gary Hurst
i still miss the manually controlled glow plug setup On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 9:37 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: > I believe the tapered ones are all that are available (from MB at least) > now. They're the "fast glow" plugs. There were pencil plugs available > that were not so fast, which is wha

Re: [MBZ] Rotella Moto oil 15 W 50 WTF?

2013-12-02 Thread G Mann
Dwight, Yes.. I presumed it is an 82 300TD wagon? Please and thank you. Grant On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Dwight Giles wrote: > Granr, Are you talking about the 82 TD I mentioned? > On Dec 2, 2013 8:34 PM, "G Mann" wrote: > > > Let the vultures start to circle.. ha.. > > > > On your 81 T

Re: [MBZ] I can't think of a crappier way to start the day….

2013-12-02 Thread Mountain Man
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: > How's about now? Nope - no pics, 9-days old. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.

Re: [MBZ] What is difference in 617 Diesel Glow Plugs?

2013-12-02 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
I believe the tapered ones are all that are available (from MB at least) now. They're the "fast glow" plugs. There were pencil plugs available that were not so fast, which is what your 300SD might have originally come with... many people don't realize this. This is well documented in the worksho

Re: [MBZ] OT: Coffee Question For Darren

2013-12-02 Thread Mountain Man
Rick wrote: > Could Bowtruss roast up some extra caffeinated stuff like this? > Darren - Is your benz put away for the winter? If not, maybe you would meed us further west from where you roast downtown? Meet at best Chicago dog place according to Huffington post and bring some of your espresso fr

Re: [MBZ] Rotella Moto oil 15 W 50 WTF?

2013-12-02 Thread Dwight Giles
Granr, Are you talking about the 82 TD I mentioned? On Dec 2, 2013 8:34 PM, "G Mann" wrote: > Let the vultures start to circle.. ha.. > > On your 81 TD... any chance it has a good passenger side rear window.. > cargo area rear window, not a door window.. Seems the neighbors > landscapers caught

Re: [MBZ] OT - Diesel Smart and other non-MB Diesel cars

2013-12-02 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Dec 2, 2013 5:28 PM, "OK Don" wrote: > > Welcome to the group Tom. > What is the fuel economy for the Diesel Smart car? And how on Earth did you get one past EPA/NHTSA/etc.? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive

Re: [MBZ] OT - Battery charger RIP

2013-12-02 Thread Dwight Giles
Wiw. WT Grant. That's a blast from the past. On Dec 2, 2013 6:53 PM, "David & Kristin Gilmore" wrote: > Alas, I have I had to replace my battery charger. My good old 3 amp > model from W. T. Grant now just makes a faint humming sound and puts out no > current. I took off the cover and look

Re: [MBZ] Rotella Moto oil 15 W 50 WTF?

2013-12-02 Thread G Mann
Let the vultures start to circle.. ha.. On your 81 TD... any chance it has a good passenger side rear window.. cargo area rear window, not a door window.. Seems the neighbors landscapers caught a rock with the mower and put it through the window... If you have a serviceable one, please let me kn

Re: [MBZ] OT - Diesel Smart and other non-MB Diesel cars

2013-12-02 Thread OK Don
Welcome to the group Tom. What is the fuel economy for the Diesel Smart car? IIRC, it was supposed to get around 70 mpg? Our Diesel Passat get's around 44, though I did hit 53 on one leg of a trip (low speed limits). I have had a plethora of old MBs, but dumped them all when I went to new cars (and

[MBZ] What is difference in 617 Diesel Glow Plugs?

2013-12-02 Thread rogerhga
Sorry guys, but this is an actual car question. I have two different appearing glow plugs that are used in the old 617 diesel engines. The Bosch are of two types, one tapers at the end and the other remains the same size to the end. I also have a Beru that is the same size all the way to the end

Re: [MBZ] Testing Glow Plugs

2013-12-02 Thread Fmiser
> > > Rich Thomas wrote: > > > They should show just a few ohms of resistance, like 3 or 4 if > > > I recall. Zero not good, infinite not good. > > Mitch Haley wrote: > > > > Don't they draw 20-30 amps when cold? > > That would imply about half an ohm. > Rich Thomas wrote: > > Divide by 5 Div

Re: [MBZ] Testing Glow Plugs

2013-12-02 Thread Craig
On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 18:33:48 -0500 Mitch Haley wrote: > I thought that a single plug started out over 20 and quickly dropped as > it heated. Paging Mr Cathey... I'm not Cathy, but yes, the plugs do draw on the order of 15-20A each when they are cold. Craig

Re: [MBZ] OT - Battery charger RIP

2013-12-02 Thread Mitch Haley
David & Kristin Gilmore wrote: For $29.60 from Walmart the new one senses the state of the battery and adjusts from 6 amps down to trickle charge automatically. You can't hook it up backwards - it won't work and tells you of your error. And probably will refuse to operate if you connect it t

[MBZ] OT - Battery charger RIP

2013-12-02 Thread David & Kristin Gilmore
Alas, I have I had to replace my battery charger. My good old 3 amp model from W. T. Grant now just makes a faint humming sound and puts out no current. I took off the cover and looked for something obviously wrong but it just looks dusty. (I will keep it in case someone like Dan P or J

Re: [MBZ] Testing Glow Plugs

2013-12-02 Thread Mitch Haley
I thought that a single plug started out over 20 and quickly dropped as it heated. Paging Mr Cathey... Mitch. Rich Thomas wrote: Divide by 5 --R On 12/2/13 2:09 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: They should show just a few ohms of resistance, like 3 or 4 if I recall. Zero not goo

Re: [MBZ] Carfax?

2013-12-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
yea I can run a carfax anytime, I have access to several dealer accounts. On 11/29/2013 2:47 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Does anyone have an active Carfax account I could check a VIN with? I would be will in to cover your costs. Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebe

Re: [MBZ] MB Spring Compressor

2013-12-02 Thread Max Dillon
Sounds like a great deal, I think that Klann is the "official" maker of the MB tool.  Baum is probably decent enough. I've got Rich's example, I think it is JTC?  I've got my '95 car in pieces now, used the compressor to remove both front springs, finished up the left side lower control arm (n

Re: [MBZ] [PhilosophicalM] FW: Gates vs Ford Motors

2013-12-02 Thread Alex Chamberlain
I've seen that one before, but it's especially apt now that Ford is pushing for open standards based on Android for in-car computers, which is antithetical to everything Gates stands for. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okieb

[MBZ] Fwd: 85 300 TD Boston area

2013-12-02 Thread degcoast
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Dwight Giles Date:11/23/2013 2:02 PM (GMT-05:00) To: "Dwight Giles, Jr." Subject: Fwd: 85 300 TD Boston area Buddy of mine has one for sale for 1150. Rusty bottom. I have not seen car but

Re: [MBZ] I can't think of a crappier way to start the day….

2013-12-02 Thread Dan Penoff
How's about now? On Nov 23, 2013, at 1:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > No pictures came thru > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 23, 2013, at 11:59 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: >> >> As soon as the ListMom approves the pictures >> >> >>> On Nov 23, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:

[MBZ] Today's Harbor Freight Deal

2013-12-02 Thread Dan Penoff
Got an email flyer from them overnight and noticed they have an IR thermometer on sale for $20. These aren't super duper Fluke grade accurate, but they're great for basic troubleshooting, especially for cooling and exhaust systems. I bought one a while back when they were around $30 on sale, a

Re: [MBZ] [PhilosophicalM] FW: Gates vs Ford Motors

2013-12-02 Thread Gerry Archer
Windows vs. Ford Motor Co. For all of us who feel only the deepest love and affection for the way computers have enhanced our lives, read on. At a recent computer expo (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated, "If Ford had kept up with

Re: [MBZ] Rotella Moto oil 15 W 50 WTF?

2013-12-02 Thread Tom Norris
(gmail is being ornery today and not letting me append an *OT* to the subject line... grrr) On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > Someone needs to come up with the earliest instance in which Rodney > Dangerfield uttered these famous words. > > > You wanna talk about No Resp

Re: [MBZ] Testing Glow Plugs

2013-12-02 Thread Rich Thomas
Divide by 5 --R On 12/2/13 2:09 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: They should show just a few ohms of resistance, like 3 or 4 if I recall. Zero not good, infinite not good. Don't they draw 20-30 amps when cold? That would imply about half an ohm. Mitch. __

Re: [MBZ] Testing Glow Plugs

2013-12-02 Thread Mitch Haley
Rich Thomas wrote: They should show just a few ohms of resistance, like 3 or 4 if I recall. Zero not good, infinite not good. Don't they draw 20-30 amps when cold? That would imply about half an ohm. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archi

Re: [MBZ] Testing Glow Plugs

2013-12-02 Thread Rich Thomas
They should show just a few ohms of resistance, like 3 or 4 if I recall. Zero not good, infinite not good. --R On 12/2/13 12:15 PM, Larry T wrote: Hi Gang, I tried to test the GP using my 12v battery with the GP removed since i had already pulled it - it didn't even get warm -- i then

Re: [MBZ] Testing Glow Plugs

2013-12-02 Thread Mitch Haley
If they represent an open circuit, they work as well as a blown light bulb. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinf

[MBZ] Cold war story for Wilton

2013-12-02 Thread Mitch Haley
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2515598/Launch-code-US-nuclear-weapons-easy-.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/ma

Re: [MBZ] The only one working today and not off shopping somewhere [wasRe: e6umehyt OT: Highest (and most dangerous) outhouse in theworld]

2013-12-02 Thread Larry T
in the deep south, Muscadine grapes grow wild in many places - when ripe you could smell them from far off. I can see how wine would taste pretty bad but we have made jelly with them that came out close to Concord Grape Jelly but not as quite as sweet of course. Still pretty good though.

Re: [MBZ] Testing Glow Plugs

2013-12-02 Thread Larry T
Hi Gang, I tried to test the GP using my 12v battery with the GP removed since i had already pulled it - it didn't even get warm -- i then tested it as many ways that i could think of using my DMM - zero continuity, (I tested between the threads and the probe as well as the threaded connec

Re: [MBZ] OT - Thanksgiving

2013-12-02 Thread Randy Bennell
On 29/11/2013 9:10 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Randy wrote: So I, as a good little consumer, I am doing my bit to keep the economy rolling along. For sure. Just on a different schedule than the mind twisters want. Slow, easy, when needed. Sales are nice, but... let's not be crazy. mao I do agree

Re: [MBZ] Grapes [was Re: The only one working today and not off shopping somewhere [wasRe: e6umehyt OT: Highest (and most dangerous) outhouse in theworld]]

2013-12-02 Thread Randy Bennell
On 29/11/2013 8:30 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: And where are you? There are limits to the range of grapes, alas -- too cold, too wet, too dry, too hot. I have terrible problems with getting them properly ripened, will have to modify and extend my fungicide program this year to combat what I s

Re: [MBZ] The only one working today and not off shopping somewhere [wasRe: e6umehyt OT: Highest (and most dangerous) outhouse in theworld]

2013-12-02 Thread Randy Bennell
On 29/11/2013 6:41 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Ha ha, I dug up mature grape vines and replanted them because my new neighbor doesn't want them and I do. Good exercise, I just hope they survive well enough to make it worth the efforts. I'll be pulling and re-setting posts tomorrow and hope to