Re: [MBZ] This is interesting
I would think so. Balancing is just making sure the moving parts are equal in weight. I can't see that being at all difficult in this environment. Dan who once balanced and blueprinted a 1600cc Beetle engine. On Dec 29, 2013, at 7:46 PM, OK Don wrote: I wonder if the manufacturing process is good enough to produce a balanced engine without cherry picking and matching parts? I was told (don't know if it's true) that MB engines, at least back in the 61x days were dynamically balanced at the factory. I didn't see any evidence of that in the video, but there was a lot we didn't see as well. On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: With today's possible manufacturing tolerances, it is not out of the question to grab a block, grab 8 pistons out of a box and have a perfect fit on the crank and all 8 bores. Reliability and repeatability of measurement, and of manufacturing is the key. -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Seat Belt Mechanism W124 '91 300D 2.5T
Hi Gang, The seat belt retractor is no longer operating smoothly it sometimes fails to retract and can be difficult to extend. The WSM lists some info about the retractor but it only has the microfische location and not the complete Job Package. (91-502) Has anyone taken the seat belt mechanism from the B Post and repaired it? I suspect it needs to be cleaned and lubricated more than anything. Perhaps the rewinder can be tightened a little? any ideas? -- Sincerely, Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Seat Belt Mechanism W124 '91 300D 2.5T
This has been discussed in the W140 conference over at Benzworld a bit. Seems that the return spring just gets tired from age and use. That being said, some people claim that by carefully spraying something like WD40 on the sides of the retractor and operating it briskly will get it to work again. Haven't tried this one myself, but it's worth a try. The alternative is replacement of the whole seat belt. Dan Sent from my iPad On Dec 30, 2013, at 7:36 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Gang, The seat belt retractor is no longer operating smoothly it sometimes fails to retract and can be difficult to extend. The WSM lists some info about the retractor but it only has the microfische location and not the complete Job Package. (91-502) Has anyone taken the seat belt mechanism from the B Post and repaired it? I suspect it needs to be cleaned and lubricated more than anything. Perhaps the rewinder can be tightened a little? any ideas? -- Sincerely, Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S600 eBay Deal upe1ujyz
What's so special about a VW Phaeton? Don't think I've ever seen one in person. Dan Sent from my iPad On Dec 29, 2013, at 9:42 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: For comparison, there are 6 VW Phaetons on eBay right now, all are V8s, and only one has a current bid less than the buy it now on the S600. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Seat Belt Mechanism W124 '91 300D 2.5T
How would I access the retractor on a 4 dr W124, fully extend the belt and spray into the opening?No need to write at length - I'm sure I can figure it out - Thx for the comments ! Sincerely, Larry On 12/30/2013 7:46 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: This has been discussed in the W140 conference over at Benzworld a bit. Seems that the return spring just gets tired from age and use. That being said, some people claim that by carefully spraying something like WD40 on the sides of the retractor and operating it briskly will get it to work again. Haven't tried this one myself, but it's worth a try. The alternative is replacement of the whole seat belt. Dan Sent from my iPad On Dec 30, 2013, at 7:36 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Gang, The seat belt retractor is no longer operating smoothly it sometimes fails to retract and can be difficult to extend. The WSM lists some info about the retractor but it only has the microfische location and not the complete Job Package. (91-502) Has anyone taken the seat belt mechanism from the B Post and repaired it? I suspect it needs to be cleaned and lubricated more than anything. Perhaps the rewinder can be tightened a little? any ideas? -- Sincerely, Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Seat Belt Mechanism W124 '91 300D 2.5T
On the W124 I would remove the B pillar covering which would give you immediate access to the retractor. You do that by pulling up the threshold panels in both door openings, pulling the door opening welting (that fuzzy strip that surrounds the door opening) off, taking the two screws out of the trim piece at the bottom and pulling it down to disengage it from the panel, and lifting up on the panel. It has a hook at the top that anchors the top of it to the B pillar. No need to remove the belt, just lay the panel out of the way and you'll see the belt retractor underneath. From what I have read regarding the W140 models (and I'm sure the retractors are pretty much the same across the board) people are spraying WD40 into the sides of the mechanisms where the springs are mounted. This avoids getting any on the belt and targets the springs and the shaft which I presume the retractor rotates on. It's not a 100% fix from what I'm hearing, but there are a number of people who have reported that it did make a difference. Based on where these are located, I imagine they can accumulate a fair amount of cruft in them over the years Dan On Dec 30, 2013, at 8:33 AM, Larry T wrote: How would I access the retractor on a 4 dr W124, fully extend the belt and spray into the opening?No need to write at length - I'm sure I can figure it out - Thx for the comments ! Sincerely, Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S600 eBay Deal
On Dec 29, 2013 6:54 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: For comparison, there are 6 VW Phaetons on eBay right now, all are V8s, and only one has a current bid less than the buy it now on the S600. They're both money pits, but I'd rather have the Phaeton--it's rare enough to be a future classic. Gotta have the W-12 if you're going to bother, though. Alex S600 is not common and will be collectible I could not find any location in the stupid fleabay ad so I asked the guy where it is. Santa Monica, Calif ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is interesting
The Saturn SL series was entirely US made as far as I know. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 30, 2013, at 1:54 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 29, 2013 4:29 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I never could see any need for a geo or a saturn. What are you talking about? Nobody mentioned Saturn. The point was the hypocrisy of people in the '90s who said Buy American and then went to their Chevy dealer to buy a Geo (all of which were captive imports). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is interesting upe1ujyz
Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Dec 29, 2013 4:29 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I never could see any need for a geo or a saturn. What are you talking about? Nobody mentioned Saturn. The point was the hypocrisy of people in the '90s who said Buy American and then went to their Chevy dealer to buy a Geo (all of which were captive imports). A lot of the Novas and Prisms, maybe all of them, were made in California, in a plant half owned by GM (Nummi). Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is interesting
i loved saturn and were quite sad to see them fail On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 11:32 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: The Saturn SL series was entirely US made as far as I know. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 30, 2013, at 1:54 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 29, 2013 4:29 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I never could see any need for a geo or a saturn. What are you talking about? Nobody mentioned Saturn. The point was the hypocrisy of people in the '90s who said Buy American and then went to their Chevy dealer to buy a Geo (all of which were captive imports). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is interesting
What are you talking about? Nobody mentioned Saturn. The point was the hypocrisy of people in the '90s who said Buy American and then went to their Chevy dealer to buy a Geo (all of which were captive imports). Alex my thought has nothing to do with origin. I just never saw any need for the geo brand or the saturn brand. I think the industry consolidation lends credence to that view. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is interesting
Gary Hurst wrote: i loved saturn and were quite sad to see them fail You just didn't like the early Ecotec engines and their lack of oil pressure at low rpm? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness
I can't see any way of getting to the crank position sensor from above. Kaleb, when you pulled 124 300D engines, do you remember seeing a sensor on top of the bell housing? There is no space at all behind the engine in a 124, and the hmp is within and inch of the transmission pretty much all around. I tried pulling fuses while it was racing. no fuse seemed to matter. PRIOR POST: When the car settles down, it idles around 600 -650 RPM. When it is flakey it goes from maybe 400 rpm, just barely running, to 1000 or 1200 rpm with some instances of 600. THe electrics seem to settle down when the engine warms up. THis is a rust free southern car too. 124 300D OM603 Thanks! I pulled the OVP relay from the SDL, popped out the 124 OVP and put in the SDL OVP. Started up the 300D, no joy! Rats! I was hoping that might be a simple fix, if not cheap. Battery terminals are snug. I did not take them off, clean and replace. Working on the 107 brakes first. Is this Crank position sensor on the trans accessible on a 124/OM603 without taking out the trans? I don't remember ever seeing anything like that on a diesel. Why would that cause the lights inside the car to flash off and on? I could see idle speed and tach funkiness being caused there. Working on it. The idle control system has failed, and there are several causes. OVP crank position sensor (obviously, if it's bad or has intermittent connection, no tach, no idle speed control). Usual cause is a corroded connector behind the engine, as the sensor is on the transmission housing. The sensor at the front is only for setting injection timing. Failed rack actuator (won't cause no tach) Bad wiring Bad idle speed computor Cracked solder at the rack actuator Bad rack position sensor The FSM as a twenty page diagnostics procedure I've not started yet due to the crappy weather. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Seat Belt Mechanism W124 '91 300D 2.5T
I have a pair of belts for swap in on the R107. I am going to get them rebuilt and installed. I would then rehabilitate the originals. I am thinking Seatbelt Doctor or Snake Oyl. clay On Dec 30, 2013, at 4:46 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: This has been discussed in the W140 conference over at Benzworld a bit. Seems that the return spring just gets tired from age and use. That being said, some people claim that by carefully spraying something like WD40 on the sides of the retractor and operating it briskly will get it to work again. Haven't tried this one myself, but it's worth a try. The alternative is replacement of the whole seat belt. Dan Sent from my iPad On Dec 30, 2013, at 7:36 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Gang, The seat belt retractor is no longer operating smoothly it sometimes fails to retract and can be difficult to extend. The WSM lists some info about the retractor but it only has the microfische location and not the complete Job Package. (91-502) Has anyone taken the seat belt mechanism from the B Post and repaired it? I suspect it needs to be cleaned and lubricated more than anything. Perhaps the rewinder can be tightened a little? any ideas? -- Sincerely, Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S600 eBay Deal
Based on the M100 level of tech, the W140 is a technical disaster with massive economic impact to a future owner. The S600 is twice as complex as the standard model, as it would be loaded with bells, whistles and subsystems that can not be hand crafted in the manner one could with a Grosser. Door locks, closing assist, ACC, ESP, Air ride, magic windows, heated seats, moving rear seats, rear seat business tech upgrades, and the over engineered engine with biodegrading wire. All in a shell that looks the same as any other W140 on the road, unless it is LWB. Even then it looks much the same. I posit the w126 will be held in much higher esteem than a w140 as collectable in future. The SEC and SEL were built much better, with higher quality systems. Far fewer computers to go wonky, and still put together by well trained German employees. clay On Dec 30, 2013, at 6:35 AM, Dieselhead wrote: On Dec 29, 2013 6:54 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: For comparison, there are 6 VW Phaetons on eBay right now, all are V8s, and only one has a current bid less than the buy it now on the S600. They're both money pits, but I'd rather have the Phaeton--it's rare enough to be a future classic. Gotta have the W-12 if you're going to bother, though. Alex S600 is not common and will be collectible I could not find any location in the stupid fleabay ad so I asked the guy where it is. Santa Monica, Calif ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Marthamania
Spent the morning calling my parts list in to the dealer and running errands. No sign of either one of my youngsters when I returned, so no chance of removing he hard top so I can start on the headliner and also get into removing all 11 hydraulic cylinders to send out for rebuilding Since the afternoon was now open, I figured I would tackle the finish on the car. Had to wash it, since we drove it over to the in-laws yesterday, much of which was in heavy rain. After drying it off in great detail, I went at it with the clay bar. Hood wasn't bad, but the hard top was pretty dirty. Got a lot of crud out of the finish. Checked a couple of spots with some 3M polish and saw little or no difference, so I didn't bother. The paint is in good shape and the car has seen little of the outdoors in the last six years, so most of the crud in the finish probably came out with the clay. After this I once again went over it with a towel to get any possible remaining moisture, as wax doesn't like water, and then broke out the stuff I have been using Collinite 845 Insulator Wax, which is a really nice wax that is tough and covers well. Since it's well, wax, it tends to solidify at room temperature, so it has to be heated before use. This just involves putting the bottle in a container of warm water and letting it sit for 5-10 minutes. After the wax was liquified I was ready to go to work. The weather today was not conducive to waxing cars, as it's in the mid 60s and damp. The wax doesn't totally haze due to both the temperature and humidity, meaning you really, really have to work it to get the excess off the finish. As a result of this it takes a LOT of terrycloth hand towels - I went through nearly two dozen by the time I was done. I could have used a polisher and pad to remove the wax, but I wanted to do it by hand the first time as that allows me to see just about every square inch of the finish. So now that's out of the way, although I'll need to touch up a few places when the hard top is removed, as it covers some of the painted surfaces on the back deck. Hopefully I'll have one of the boys around tonight to help me lift the hard top off. Can't do much else until that's done. First tank of fuel yielded 18.9 MPG, and that's probably a little low. I was sure that the gauge was reading low, so when I refueled I tried topping it off, which I normally don't do. I found that the gauge was probably right, so the extra fuel I put in will skew the calculation. A minor issue that won't occur again. I also found that my IR remote does work on both doors and trunk - previously it only worked on the passenger door. Seems that the receivers must be weak and get drowned out by ambient light during the day - at night last night all of them worked. I found that if I cupped my hand around the remote to shade it right up against the receiver it would work. Maybe the remote is weak? It's brand new from the dealer (PO bought it - ouch!!) and has brand new batteries in it... I'm done for the day. My *ss is dragging. Hopefully I'll get the hard top off tonight so I can replace the headliner tomorrow. That's going to be messy. Dan/Martha ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness
I'm not sure, don't really remember. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 30, 2013, at 2:18 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I can't see any way of getting to the crank position sensor from above. Kaleb, when you pulled 124 300D engines, do you remember seeing a sensor on top of the bell housing? There is no space at all behind the engine in a 124, and the hmp is within and inch of the transmission pretty much all around. I tried pulling fuses while it was racing. no fuse seemed to matter. PRIOR POST: When the car settles down, it idles around 600 -650 RPM. When it is flakey it goes from maybe 400 rpm, just barely running, to 1000 or 1200 rpm with some instances of 600. THe electrics seem to settle down when the engine warms up. THis is a rust free southern car too. 124 300D OM603 Thanks! I pulled the OVP relay from the SDL, popped out the 124 OVP and put in the SDL OVP. Started up the 300D, no joy! Rats! I was hoping that might be a simple fix, if not cheap. Battery terminals are snug. I did not take them off, clean and replace. Working on the 107 brakes first. Is this Crank position sensor on the trans accessible on a 124/OM603 without taking out the trans? I don't remember ever seeing anything like that on a diesel. Why would that cause the lights inside the car to flash off and on? I could see idle speed and tach funkiness being caused there. Working on it. The idle control system has failed, and there are several causes. OVP crank position sensor (obviously, if it's bad or has intermittent connection, no tach, no idle speed control). Usual cause is a corroded connector behind the engine, as the sensor is on the transmission housing. The sensor at the front is only for setting injection timing. Failed rack actuator (won't cause no tach) Bad wiring Bad idle speed computor Cracked solder at the rack actuator Bad rack position sensor The FSM as a twenty page diagnostics procedure I've not started yet due to the crappy weather. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Seat Belt Mechanism W124 '91 300D 2.5T
I did what Dan suggested on my 124's, 123, 201 -- remove the B pillor cover, spray with brake cleaner to clean, followed by a good spray lube. That fixed every one of them. On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: On the W124 I would remove the B pillar covering which would give you immediate access to the retractor. You do that by pulling up the threshold panels in both door openings, pulling the door opening welting (that fuzzy strip that surrounds the door opening) off, taking the two screws out of the trim piece at the bottom and pulling it down to disengage it from the panel, and lifting up on the panel. It has a hook at the top that anchors the top of it to the B pillar. No need to remove the belt, just lay the panel out of the way and you'll see the belt retractor underneath. -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S600 eBay Deal
Based on the M100 level of tech, the W140 is a technical disaster with massive economic impact to a future owner. The S600 is twice as complex as the standard model, as it would be loaded with bells, whistles and subsystems that can not be hand crafted in the manner one could with a Grosser. Door locks, closing assist, ACC, ESP, Air ride, magic windows, heated seats, moving rear seats, rear seat business tech upgrades, and the over engineered engine with biodegrading wire. All in a shell that looks the same as any other W140 on the road, unless it is LWB. Even then it looks much the same. I posit the w126 will be held in much higher esteem than a w140 as collectable in future. The SEC and SEL were built much better, with higher quality systems. Far fewer computers to go wonky, and still put together by well trained German employees. clay Singin to the choir my friend. 126 and the 600 Grosser represent the postwar epitome of MB engineering of their eras. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness
IIRC, (not likely at this point) it's near the 4:00 to 5:00 position when looking from the front of the engine towards the rear - on the engine side of the bell housing mounting plate. On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I'm not sure, don't really remember. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 30, 2013, at 2:18 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I can't see any way of getting to the crank position sensor from above. Kaleb, when you pulled 124 300D engines, do you remember seeing a sensor on top of the bell housing? There is no space at all behind the engine in a 124, and the hmp is within and inch of the transmission pretty much all around. I tried pulling fuses while it was racing. no fuse seemed to matter. PRIOR POST: When the car settles down, it idles around 600 -650 RPM. When it is flakey it goes from maybe 400 rpm, just barely running, to 1000 or 1200 rpm with some instances of 600. THe electrics seem to settle down when the engine warms up. THis is a rust free southern car too. 124 300D OM603 Thanks! I pulled the OVP relay from the SDL, popped out the 124 OVP and put in the SDL OVP. Started up the 300D, no joy! Rats! I was hoping that might be a simple fix, if not cheap. Battery terminals are snug. I did not take them off, clean and replace. Working on the 107 brakes first. Is this Crank position sensor on the trans accessible on a 124/OM603 without taking out the trans? I don't remember ever seeing anything like that on a diesel. Why would that cause the lights inside the car to flash off and on? I could see idle speed and tach funkiness being caused there. Working on it. The idle control system has failed, and there are several causes. OVP crank position sensor (obviously, if it's bad or has intermittent connection, no tach, no idle speed control). Usual cause is a corroded connector behind the engine, as the sensor is on the transmission housing. The sensor at the front is only for setting injection timing. Failed rack actuator (won't cause no tach) Bad wiring Bad idle speed computor Cracked solder at the rack actuator Bad rack position sensor The FSM as a twenty page diagnostics procedure I've not started yet due to the crappy weather. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S600 eBay Deal
I would consider the W126 chassis car the pinnacle of MB engineering. I loved my 300SD. Dan On Dec 30, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Based on the M100 level of tech, the W140 is a technical disaster with massive economic impact to a future owner. The S600 is twice as complex as the standard model, as it would be loaded with bells, whistles and subsystems that can not be hand crafted in the manner one could with a Grosser. Door locks, closing assist, ACC, ESP, Air ride, magic windows, heated seats, moving rear seats, rear seat business tech upgrades, and the over engineered engine with biodegrading wire. All in a shell that looks the same as any other W140 on the road, unless it is LWB. Even then it looks much the same. I posit the w126 will be held in much higher esteem than a w140 as collectable in future. The SEC and SEL were built much better, with higher quality systems. Far fewer computers to go wonky, and still put together by well trained German employees. clay Singin to the choir my friend. 126 and the 600 Grosser represent the postwar epitome of MB engineering of their eras. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Seat Belt Mechanism W124 '91 300D 2.5T
On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:13:46 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I did what Dan suggested on my 124's, 123, 201 -- remove the B pillor cover, spray with brake cleaner to clean, followed by a good spray lube. That fixed every one of them. And, just a reminder, WD-40 is not a good spray lube. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness
K'leb sez: I'm not sure, don't really remember. Sent from my iPhone You know, you are not much help! But thanks anyway! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Seating Beads on New Tires
All, Thanks for the advice and tips. I tried most of the things mentioned (except ether, which I didn't have) without success. I ended up going to a tire shop today to get the beads seated. Two tire shops (that didn't have air cannons) tried without success. The third shop had the air blaster and did the job on just a few minutes for $5 a tire. But they were busy so I had to wait about an hour form them to get to my job. In retrospect, it might have worked to pry the beads apart for a couple hot, sunny days. I did pry them apart for one day but it's winter here and the sidewalls popped right back as soon as I worked the bead back over the rim. I never had a problem with a car tire but these little mower tires were different: wide tires, wide rims, stiff (4 ply), and the beads were almost touching when they arrived strapped together with only a couple UPS stickers on the outside. So thanks to Dan and the others that said to go to a tire shop. By the way, this is what the tires looked like. You can see that the tread was already depressed in the middle so strapping it around the tread did almost no good. http://i.ebayimg.com/t/2-20X8-8-DURO-20x8-00-8-4-PLY-NEW-LAWN-MOWER-TURF-TW O-TIRES-20x8x8-TIRE-PAIR/00/s/NDE1WDU0OQ==/z/iCsAAOxyKsZRufgA/$(KGrHqN,!rEFG i2Q!M8WBRufg!kZ8g~~60_35.JPG Scott Scott wrote: I'm going nuts trying to seat the beads on a new set of tires on my lawn tractor. I tried a cargo strap around the tread but that doesn't even get it close. Any thoughts? Thanks. Warm the tire as much as you can - but don't let _her_ find your tires in the oven. Soap up the bead and seat good. Press fit the bead to one side. Use a _big_ cargo strap, or better a chain to apply squeeze forces. With the chain, use a pipe to twist the chain tight. It will take a lot of force to squeeze the tire bead out to the other seat. The tire mounting rigs use a blast of air to pop the tire open. You could make yourself one with an air tank and a 1-2 inch (2.5 - 5 cm) pipe and valve. Finally, there's the extreme method. Spray a couple second burst of starter fluid in the tire (best to get it inside the tire, not just on the rim. Also get it all around, not just in one spot), spray a fuse trail, light it, and at the moment the tire goes fooomph! apply as high a volume of air as you can through the valves stem. Best to have the core out to get higher flow. I'm not _advising_ this method, but I have used it successfully. --Philip, who doesn't have any tire pieces permanently embedded - yet ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Seating Beads on New Tires
http://www.ebay.com/itm/281207789352?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT_trksid=p3984. m1497.l2649 -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 6:49 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Seating Beads on New Tires All, Thanks for the advice and tips. I tried most of the things mentioned (except ether, which I didn't have) without success. I ended up going to a tire shop today to get the beads seated. Two tire shops (that didn't have air cannons) tried without success. The third shop had the air blaster and did the job on just a few minutes for $5 a tire. But they were busy so I had to wait about an hour form them to get to my job. In retrospect, it might have worked to pry the beads apart for a couple hot, sunny days. I did pry them apart for one day but it's winter here and the sidewalls popped right back as soon as I worked the bead back over the rim. I never had a problem with a car tire but these little mower tires were different: wide tires, wide rims, stiff (4 ply), and the beads were almost touching when they arrived strapped together with only a couple UPS stickers on the outside. So thanks to Dan and the others that said to go to a tire shop. By the way, this is what the tires looked like. You can see that the tread was already depressed in the middle so strapping it around the tread did almost no good. http://i.ebayimg.com/t/2-20X8-8-DURO-20x8-00-8-4-PLY-NEW-LAWN-MOWER-TURF-TW O-TIRES-20x8x8-TIRE-PAIR/00/s/NDE1WDU0OQ==/z/iCsAAOxyKsZRufgA/$(KGrHqN,!rEFG i2Q!M8WBRufg!kZ8g~~60_35.JPG Scott Scott wrote: I'm going nuts trying to seat the beads on a new set of tires on my lawn tractor. I tried a cargo strap around the tread but that doesn't even get it close. Any thoughts? Thanks. Warm the tire as much as you can - but don't let _her_ find your tires in the oven. Soap up the bead and seat good. Press fit the bead to one side. Use a _big_ cargo strap, or better a chain to apply squeeze forces. With the chain, use a pipe to twist the chain tight. It will take a lot of force to squeeze the tire bead out to the other seat. The tire mounting rigs use a blast of air to pop the tire open. You could make yourself one with an air tank and a 1-2 inch (2.5 - 5 cm) pipe and valve. Finally, there's the extreme method. Spray a couple second burst of starter fluid in the tire (best to get it inside the tire, not just on the rim. Also get it all around, not just in one spot), spray a fuse trail, light it, and at the moment the tire goes fooomph! apply as high a volume of air as you can through the valves stem. Best to have the core out to get higher flow. I'm not _advising_ this method, but I have used it successfully. --Philip, who doesn't have any tire pieces permanently embedded - yet ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness
I pulled the EDS plug from the IP this evening. No change in behavior. I pulled fuses one by one, with no change in behavior. Does not seem to be electric, except the tach and flashing lights indicate something electric. I cleaned the battery terminals, no change in behavior. I then thought about a load like a compressor loading and unloading the engine. Alt? I checked voltage with the engine running. got a climbing voltage up to 17.5, then later 18 and still later near 18v. I am not sure about the accuracy or a $3 multimeter. I am headed out to FLAPS to have then check voltage. Here is the big Q What exactly is the function of the OVP relay in over voltage conditions? Could this be indications of the OVP relay doing its job? Changing the OVP relay didn't change anything. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is interesting
They were really long lived cars too. I dated a girl who had one as a hand-me-down from her mom with around 300,000 miles on it when I stopped seeing her. Friends of my parent's had a Nova, it lasted forever too. It got hit and she hated it so she drove it around not using 4th or 5th gear (with the engine just roaring) for a month before the engine finally quit. At a time when most American cars would maybe make 100,000 miles the Toyotas lasted double or triple that. Its those cars that made Toyota's name in reliability and just ruined the big 3. -Curt Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 12:43:19 -0500 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is interesting upe1ujyz Message-ID: 52c1b0b7.80...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Dec 29, 2013 4:29 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I never could see any need for a geo or a saturn. What are you talking about? Nobody mentioned Saturn. The point was the hypocrisy of people in the '90s who said Buy American and then went to their Chevy dealer to buy a Geo (all of which were captive imports). A lot of the Novas and Prisms, maybe all of them, were made in California, in a plant half owned by GM (Nummi). Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is interesting
Geo allowed people who would never buy an asian car to get an asian car without having to have a Toyota or Suzuki. My dad had a Chevy Tracker which was a re-badged Geo Tracker which was a re-badged Suzuki Grand Vitara. It was an EXCELLENT little truck, very good offroad and easy on gas. The Jeep Liberty that replaced it is NOT as good in any measurable way other than maybe its a little faster off the line. Until they screwed it up Saturn was a brilliant move, weird little cars that people loved in a no-pressure buying atmosphere. Saturn people loved Saturn, then they just made it like everything else at GM, same way they screwed up Saab. -Curt Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 11:51:35 -0600 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is interesting Message-ID: a062408f0cee76278f2a0@[192.168.1.52] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed What are you talking about? Nobody mentioned Saturn. The point was the hypocrisy of people in the '90s who said Buy American and then went to their Chevy dealer to buy a Geo (all of which were captive imports). Alex my thought has nothing to do with origin. I just never saw any need for the geo brand or the saturn brand. I think the industry consolidation lends credence to that view. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness
I suspect having things drop out is the job of the OVP -- keeps the electronics from frying. I don't think that is the issue for me, though, headlights are normal brightness. Worth a check. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Seating Beads on New Tires
When I used to help out at the shop down the street we'd have a helluva time with ATV tires. They run very low pressure so the sidewalls are very strong and stiff. Many times used the ether (or spray lube or even propane) trick. I've seen a tire poof out almost twice its original diameter... -Curt Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:49:18 -0500 From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Seating Beads on New Tires Message-ID: 6BA5A8F079EB4E6994B7856BC335BA72@ScottHPPC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii All, Thanks for the advice and tips. I tried most of the things mentioned (except ether, which I didn't have) without success. I ended up going to a tire shop today to get the beads seated. Two tire shops (that didn't have air cannons) tried without success. The third shop had the air blaster and did the job on just a few minutes for $5 a tire. But they were busy so I had to wait about an hour form them to get to my job. In retrospect, it might have worked to pry the beads apart for a couple hot, sunny days. I did pry them apart for one day but it's winter here and the sidewalls popped right back as soon as I worked the bead back over the rim. I never had a problem with a car tire but these little mower tires were different: wide tires, wide rims, stiff (4 ply), and the beads were almost touching when they arrived strapped together with only a couple UPS stickers on the outside. So thanks to Dan and the others that said to go to a tire shop. By the way, this is what the tires looked like. You can see that the tread was already depressed in the middle so strapping it around the tread did almost no good. http://i.ebayimg.com/t/2-20X8-8-DURO-20x8-00-8-4-PLY-NEW-LAWN-MOWER-TURF-TW O-TIRES-20x8x8-TIRE-PAIR/00/s/NDE1WDU0OQ==/z/iCsAAOxyKsZRufgA/$(KGrHqN,!rEFG i2Q!M8WBRufg!kZ8g~~60_35.JPG Scott ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness
I will see what I can see on an engine I got in the garage. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 30, 2013, at 5:22 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: K'leb sez: I'm not sure, don't really remember. Sent from my iPhone You know, you are not much help! But thanks anyway! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness
Dieselhead wrote: I checked voltage with the engine running. got a climbing voltage up to 17.5, then later 18 and still later near 18v. I am not sure about the accuracy or a $3 multimeter. Does your meter read 12.4 to 12.8 on a car that's been sitting a while with a fully charged good battery? Does it read 13.4-14 on a running MBZ with a good regulator? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S600 eBay Deal upe1ujyz
On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 4:51 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: What's so special about a VW Phaeton? You're kidding, right? Every car guy has to know about the Phaeton. It's VWAG's W140 combined with the original BMW 750iL, only more so. Massively overengineered, poorly marketed in the US, a sales flop, and incredibly cheap on the used market but a total money pit unless you can DIY and buy parts at wholesale. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is interesting
Geo allowed people who would never buy an asian car to get an asian car without having to have a Toyota or Suzuki. My dad had a Chevy Tracker which was a re-badged Geo Tracker which was a re-badged Suzuki Grand Vitara. It was an EXCELLENT little truck, very good offroad and easy on gas. The Jeep Liberty that replaced it is NOT as good in any measurable way other than maybe its a little faster off the line. Until they screwed it up Saturn was a brilliant move, weird little cars that people loved in a no-pressure buying atmosphere. Saturn people loved Saturn, then they just made it like everything else at GM, same way they screwed up Saab. -Curt But, but, big corporations are run by brilliant people! Many even have MBAs! /sarcasm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness
So, is it possibly accessible from underneath? Did you have problem with it? Did you do an engine swap on a OM603? I know you did the 107. IIRC, (not likely at this point) it's near the 4:00 to 5:00 position when looking from the front of the engine towards the rear - on the engine side of the bell housing mounting plate. On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I'm not sure, don't really remember. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 30, 2013, at 2:18 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I can't see any way of getting to the crank position sensor from above. Kaleb, when you pulled 124 300D engines, do you remember seeing a sensor on top of the bell housing? There is no space at all behind the engine in a 124, and the hmp is within and inch of the transmission pretty much all around. I tried pulling fuses while it was racing. no fuse seemed to matter. PRIOR POST: When the car settles down, it idles around 600 -650 RPM. When it is flakey it goes from maybe 400 rpm, just barely running, to 1000 or 1200 rpm with some instances of 600. THe electrics seem to settle down when the engine warms up. THis is a rust free southern car too. 124 300D OM603 Thanks! I pulled the OVP relay from the SDL, popped out the 124 OVP and put in the SDL OVP. Started up the 300D, no joy! Rats! I was hoping that might be a simple fix, if not cheap. Battery terminals are snug. I did not take them off, clean and replace. Working on the 107 brakes first. Is this Crank position sensor on the trans accessible on a 124/OM603 without taking out the trans? I don't remember ever seeing anything like that on a diesel. Why would that cause the lights inside the car to flash off and on? I could see idle speed and tach funkiness being caused there. Working on it. The idle control system has failed, and there are several causes. OVP crank position sensor (obviously, if it's bad or has intermittent connection, no tach, no idle speed control). Usual cause is a corroded connector behind the engine, as the sensor is on the transmission housing. The sensor at the front is only for setting injection timing. Failed rack actuator (won't cause no tach) Bad wiring Bad idle speed computor Cracked solder at the rack actuator Bad rack position sensor The FSM as a twenty page diagnostics procedure I've not started yet due to the crappy weather. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness
I suspect having things drop out is the job of the OVP -- keeps the electronics from frying. I don't think that is the issue for me, though, headlights are normal brightness. Worth a check. Peter My $3 multimeter read 18.5 volts with the car running. Seemed like a bad regulator. I thought maybe I was onto something. Took the car to oreally to get the alt checked. THey said the battery was bad and could not check the alt with a bad battery. Si I came back, took the new battery out of the SDL, put it in, put the questionable battery in the trunk and went back. Got them to test again. They said the new battery and the alternator were fine. THey tested the other battery out of the car, and said it was bad. No trouble with the battery. I did check battery voltage with the $3 multimeter and it read 15.5 across the battery terminals, so I knew it was reading 3v high. Actually, I think it came out of one of the excess A+ computer certification training kits I ended up with. It probably cost more than $3. The kits cost me somewhere between $100 and $200 each. When I started the car with the new battery, it idled perfectly, so I thought maybe it was something like the wacko electric fuel pump in the SL a few years ago, where after I replaced everything else, but the fuel pump still didn't run right until I replaced the battery. No such luck! When I got back to oreally, it was idling high and low again. I don't have jumper cables here, So I haven't been able to check grounding. I may try grounding with a #12 wire tomorrow if I have time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness
Dieselhead wrote: I checked voltage with the engine running. got a climbing voltage up to 17.5, then later 18 and still later near 18v. I am not sure about the accuracy or a $3 multimeter. Does your meter read 12.4 to 12.8 on a car that's been sitting a while with a fully charged good battery? Does it read 13.4-14 on a running MBZ with a good regulator? Mitch. Nope, I did get around to checking that later. 15.5 on post to post, unhooked battery. THe meter was wonko, not the regulator. A check at flaps confirmed the regulator was ok. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S600 eBay Deal upe1ujyz
On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 4:51 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: What's so special about a VW Phaeton? You're kidding, right? Every car guy has to know about the Phaeton. It's VWAG's W140 combined with the original BMW 750iL, only more so. Massively overengineered, poorly marketed in the US, a sales flop, and incredibly cheap on the used market but a total money pit unless you can DIY and buy parts at wholesale. Alex ___ What the? is VW thinking, trying to make a fattylac? GM screwed them up plenty already. No wonder Vdubs are a POS anymore. They are supposed to be simple, folks cars, easy to work on, cheap to buy, cheap to own, cheap to operate, cheap to fix. That is part of why bugs were so popular. The other part was because they dared to be different, had great advertising by DDB, emphasizing the differences, and they were so homely they were cute. It was the only thing to do after the mule died Think small I have a bunch of those ads I saved from my desk surroundings in college, along with toaster tank BMW ads and the MB 108 ad that was also brilliant. some people think buying a house is the most important investment they will ever make A VW fattylac deserves to be a resounding flop. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness
I will see what I can see on an engine I got in the garage. Sent from my iPhone OK Don says it is about 4 or 5 o'clock position looking at the front of the engine. Lower left. That might be visible from underneath. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness
Dieselhead wrote: I checked voltage with the engine running. got a climbing voltage up to 17.5, then later 18 and still later near 18v. I am not sure about the accuracy or a $3 multimeter. Ouch! If that's accurate, you have troubles. Well designed automotive electronics should survive 20 V - but how close to 20 V is it? You could use a known precise voltage between 10 and 20 V to check the meter. A computer power supply, a regulated wall wart, a lead acid battery known to be good that's been at rest for a few hours... -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S600 eBay Deal upe1ujyz
I remember when they came out, but I have no interest in them so I never paid any attention. Sent from my iPad On Dec 30, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 4:51 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: What's so special about a VW Phaeton? You're kidding, right? Every car guy has to know about the Phaeton. It's VWAG's W140 combined with the original BMW 750iL, only more so. Massively overengineered, poorly marketed in the US, a sales flop, and incredibly cheap on the used market but a total money pit unless you can DIY and buy parts at wholesale. Alex ___ What the? is VW thinking, trying to make a fattylac? GM screwed them up plenty already. No wonder Vdubs are a POS anymore. They are supposed to be simple, folks cars, easy to work on, cheap to buy, cheap to own, cheap to operate, cheap to fix. That is part of why bugs were so popular. The other part was because they dared to be different, had great advertising by DDB, emphasizing the differences, and they were so homely they were cute. It was the only thing to do after the mule died Think small I have a bunch of those ads I saved from my desk surroundings in college, along with toaster tank BMW ads and the MB 108 ad that was also brilliant. some people think buying a house is the most important investment they will ever make A VW fattylac deserves to be a resounding flop. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is interesting
On Dec 30, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Until they screwed it up Saturn was a brilliant move, weird little cars that people loved in a no-pressure buying atmosphere. Saturn people loved Saturn, then they just made it like everything else at GM, same way they screwed up Saab. -Curt But, but, big corporations are run by brilliant people! Many even have MBAs! /sarcasm IMHO, a business doesn't really start a downhill slide until the accountants take over. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dan Penoff wrote: I remember when they came out, but I have no interest in them so I never paid any attention. Well, maybe if they had a TDI version in this country, or if somebody wanted to give me a Phaeton with an unhappy engine and a Toerag TDI that some fool rolled at freeway speeds in the snow... Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dieselhead wrote: I checked voltage with the engine running. got a climbing voltage up to 17.5, then later 18 and still later near 18v. I am not sure about the accuracy or a $3 multimeter. Ouch! If that's accurate, you have troubles. Well designed automotive electronics should survive 20 V - but how close to 20 V is it? You could use a known precise voltage between 10 and 20 V to check the meter. A computer power supply, a regulated wall wart, a lead acid battery known to be good that's been at rest for a few hours... -- Philip Its a wonko meter. I forgot to pack my good one. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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IMHO, a business doesn't really start a downhill slide until the accountants take over. Rick Sent from my iPhone A brilliant, and accurate observation. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I dropped a 603 sump on a jack - got to RR the oil pan. Spent some quality time under that car . . . No problem with the sensor, just cataloging every thing I saw, checking all the wires after I finished, etc. Yes, accessible from underneath. Now that you mention it, the OM60x engines are among the few that I never had to RR. They just kept on running. On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 9:02 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: So, is it possibly accessible from underneath? Did you have problem with it? Did you do an engine swap on a OM603? I know you did the 107. -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I dropped a 603 sump on a jack - got to RR the oil pan. Spent some quality time under that car . . . No problem with the sensor, just cataloging every thing I saw, checking all the wires after I finished, etc. Yes, accessible from underneath. Now that you mention it, the OM60x engines are among the few that I never had to RR. They just kept on running. Oh, yeah, I remember that fiasco now. Most work I have done on one is the head on one SDL. They are very long lived and reliable. I love the engine in this 300D. It is the least worked on of any I have had. Most neglected engine. I can tell because it still has all the factory bolts and attachments for the wiring harness and other stuff. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO, a business doesn't really start a downhill slide until the accountants take over. A brilliant, and accurate observation. Rather an incoherent comment, Loren, considering that you just said that you thought GM's brand consolidation following its bankruptcy proved that Geo and Saturn were superfluous brands. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Dec 30, 2013, at 11:40 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I love the engine in this 300D. It is the least worked on of any I have had. Most neglected engine. I can tell because it still has all the factory bolts and attachments for the wiring harness and other stuff. It is probably the least worked on BECAUSE it is the most neglected. :) I have had to properly repair many a mechanics there, I fixed it kludge repairs in my day... Rick Who has done a few kludge repairs hisself. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 22:20:02 -0800 From: apchamberl...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is interesting On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO, a business doesn't really start a downhill slide until the accountants take over. A brilliant, and accurate observation. Rather an incoherent comment, Loren, considering that you just said that you thought GM's brand consolidation following its bankruptcy proved that Geo and Saturn were superfluous brands. You missed the /sarcasm at the end of his post. The Toyota/GM and Suzuki/GM alliances were good for GM and produced good little transportation appliances. They also helped GM meet CAFE standards whilst selling millions of gas guzzling pickups. Saturn as an autonomous entity was a good concept, until the management at GM pulled them back into the corporate fold. That pretty well killed the car line. No auto maker is immune to poor management decisions. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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those old full sized body on frame cars would also get a lot of miles on them. i'd be willing to bet on a late 70s delta 88 or lesabre to make it to 300k miles On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: They were really long lived cars too. I dated a girl who had one as a hand-me-down from her mom with around 300,000 miles on it when I stopped seeing her. Friends of my parent's had a Nova, it lasted forever too. It got hit and she hated it so she drove it around not using 4th or 5th gear (with the engine just roaring) for a month before the engine finally quit. At a time when most American cars would maybe make 100,000 miles the Toyotas lasted double or triple that. Its those cars that made Toyota's name in reliability and just ruined the big 3. -Curt Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 12:43:19 -0500 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is interesting upe1ujyz Message-ID: 52c1b0b7.80...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Dec 29, 2013 4:29 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I never could see any need for a geo or a saturn. What are you talking about? Nobody mentioned Saturn. The point was the hypocrisy of people in the '90s who said Buy American and then went to their Chevy dealer to buy a Geo (all of which were captive imports). A lot of the Novas and Prisms, maybe all of them, were made in California, in a plant half owned by GM (Nummi). Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
