Re: [MBZ] Norwegian Air Shuttle Scheme
IMO the auto industry is close to being totally government mandated, That's why all cars look so much alike. We'll never give another Colin Chapman (Lotus) or Ferdinand Porsche (VW and Porsche) and many others the latitude to innovate. Everything must be cookie cutter and yet they still must face almost 10 examples going through destructive testing. Envision 10 Bugatti's Veyron's or Lamborghini's being destroyed! (it must be hard to watch if you love cars.) Yet, if they are to be sold in the US that's what happens. And depending on the amount of yearly changes they may have to endure those tests yearly. Sadly, the US is no longer the 'car buying capital of the world' it once was (back in 2009). No longer can some place like Ca. dictate safety and emission regulations for the whole country. I suspect the US wull see fewer and fewer choices when it comes to new cars. Of course, even being Number 2 has its perks - but China will make most of the rules or lack of them. Of course, the effect of the USA's deep debt will continue to become known as the years pass. Whether its a $17+ Trillion debt (or $80+ Trillion as some say) it's a bill our kids and grandkids will pay their whole lives. Talk about being born into poverty! And we lose more options with each passing day. Car buying stats available at http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/may2009/gb20090518_095449.htm Sincerely, Larry On 3/4/2014 11:07 PM, G Mann wrote: On that same thread.. one of the most advanced aircraft to be produced, the Beach Starship, an all composite canard design was a design strongly influenced by Bert Rutan. Beach jumped through all kinds of hoops with the FAA to get certification for composite construction airframe, yet found it impossible to establish the absolute finite life or number of landing cycles for the airframe. Beach only sold something like 50 of the design. People who owned them absolutely loved them. One of my very good aviation friends was chief pilot for a company that used them as exec aircraft, and has loads of hours flying them. However. The decision was made by the company that now owns Beachcraft to BUY THEM ALL BACK and store them rather than face the possibility of product liability as the airframes aged. Product liability lawyers 10 Aviation 0 . That issue is the overriding issue with Cessna, Piper, and every other manufacturer. The Cessna 172, 4 place airplane with fixed landing gear, now sells for nearly $400,000 new. Before lawsuit became the answer to stupid piloting that same airplane sold new for something like $45,000. The same spillover has happened in Medicine [no sole practitioner GP Doctors that I can find.. all big HMO to pay the malpractice insurance]. Car companies.. same issue. Buy aspirin... sealed in 3 layers of tamper proof packaging and then a child proof cap.. why.. ??? product liability... Kids toys.. Clothing.. Everything has taken the hit.. Buy a beer without a product warning lately? cigar? On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:48 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Mao, That may be so now, but... I recall presentations by the Rutan brothers at flight test symposia back in the 1970s; they explained that they could not afford to build and sell their designs because of legal/liability issues. They could (and did) build prototypes and sell plans for some of the most innovative new aircraft concepts ever. But, except for electronics and evolutionary tweaks, a new Cessna 172 is pretty much the same as one sold in the late 50s. There was no shortage of US innovation during most of the period since 1960 (we went to the moon, for example). But, given the US tort environment, there is no business case for taking the risk to build a really-new general aviation aircraft, only proven designs. On the larger issue of innovation today, I submit the issue is motivation: no reward for success and no penalty for failure, in our society. In the words of the Strawberry Alarm Clock, Who cares what games we choose? Little to win, but nothing to lose. Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mountain Man Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 7:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Norwegian Air Shuttle Scheme Scott wrote: You can thank our legal system for the lack of innovation in aviation today. I would also thank our cookie cutter education system for lack of innovation and lack of invention in anything today. We are cookie cutter educated in all things, including legal system training. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To
[MBZ] I would sure love to know what the hell this guy is talking about
Kaleb, He is probably kin to one of those folks I've seen list a 123 300D as having a V-6 engine. Or that a 116 300SD has an inline 6 cylinder engine. It never surprises me how many people try to sell a vehicle without knowing what they've been driving and what's under the hood. Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Hydraulic pump for 123 wagon suspension
Anybody have a source for new? Rebuilt? Kent Bergsma contact info to see if he has any NOS? -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I would sure love to know what the hell this guy is talking about
He is confused -- it actually has the Wanker engine in it. --R On 3/4/14 8:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/4359764976.html -- Sent from cPRO for iPhone, iPod and iPad Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I would sure love to know what the hell this guy is talking about
I knew that was coming, we can always depend on you Rich... Lunch on Friday work for you? Need to return the spring compressor. On March 5, 2014 9:47:44 AM EST, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: He is confused -- it actually has the Wanker engine in it. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hydraulic pump for 123 wagon suspension
There is (was?) a parts supplier on this very list that can help, I'm sure.Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. From: Max DillonSent: Wednesday, March 5, 2014 8:37 AMTo: Mercedes Discussion ListReply To: Mercedes Discussion ListSubject: [MBZ] Hydraulic pump for 123 wagon suspensionAnybody have a source for new? Rebuilt? Kent Bergsma contact info to see if he has any NOS?-- Max DillonCharleston, SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Norwegian Air Shuttle Scheme
OTOH, try and make a crappy car now and it won't sell, thanks to the internet and rapid dissemination of information among consumers. This has really leveled the playing field. I would argue that 99 percent of new cars are quite awesome in terms of reliability and technological advancements. I'm just too cheap to buy one... Andrew Who drives a 1983 335k 300TD and has a newer 295K 1985 300TD in the garage as a back up. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: IMO the auto industry is close to being totally government mandated, That's why all cars look so much alike. We'll never give another Colin Chapman (Lotus) or Ferdinand Porsche (VW and Porsche) and many others the latitude to innovate. Everything must be cookie cutter and yet they still must face almost 10 examples going through destructive testing. Envision 10 Bugatti's Veyron's or Lamborghini's being destroyed! (it must be hard to watch if you love cars.) Yet, if they are to be sold in the US that's what happens. And depending on the amount of yearly changes they may have to endure those tests yearly. Sadly, the US is no longer the 'car buying capital of the world' it once was (back in 2009). No longer can some place like Ca. dictate safety and emission regulations for the whole country. I suspect the US wull see fewer and fewer choices when it comes to new cars. Of course, even being Number 2 has its perks - but China will make most of the rules or lack of them. Of course, the effect of the USA's deep debt will continue to become known as the years pass. Whether its a $17+ Trillion debt (or $80+ Trillion as some say) it's a bill our kids and grandkids will pay their whole lives. Talk about being born into poverty! And we lose more options with each passing day. Car buying stats available at http://www.businessweek.com/ globalbiz/content/may2009/gb20090518_095449.htm Sincerely, Larry On 3/4/2014 11:07 PM, G Mann wrote: On that same thread.. one of the most advanced aircraft to be produced, the Beach Starship, an all composite canard design was a design strongly influenced by Bert Rutan. Beach jumped through all kinds of hoops with the FAA to get certification for composite construction airframe, yet found it impossible to establish the absolute finite life or number of landing cycles for the airframe. Beach only sold something like 50 of the design. People who owned them absolutely loved them. One of my very good aviation friends was chief pilot for a company that used them as exec aircraft, and has loads of hours flying them. However. The decision was made by the company that now owns Beachcraft to BUY THEM ALL BACK and store them rather than face the possibility of product liability as the airframes aged. Product liability lawyers 10 Aviation 0 . That issue is the overriding issue with Cessna, Piper, and every other manufacturer. The Cessna 172, 4 place airplane with fixed landing gear, now sells for nearly $400,000 new. Before lawsuit became the answer to stupid piloting that same airplane sold new for something like $45,000. The same spillover has happened in Medicine [no sole practitioner GP Doctors that I can find.. all big HMO to pay the malpractice insurance]. Car companies.. same issue. Buy aspirin... sealed in 3 layers of tamper proof packaging and then a child proof cap.. why.. ??? product liability... Kids toys.. Clothing.. Everything has taken the hit.. Buy a beer without a product warning lately? cigar? On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:48 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Mao, That may be so now, but... I recall presentations by the Rutan brothers at flight test symposia back in the 1970s; they explained that they could not afford to build and sell their designs because of legal/liability issues. They could (and did) build prototypes and sell plans for some of the most innovative new aircraft concepts ever. But, except for electronics and evolutionary tweaks, a new Cessna 172 is pretty much the same as one sold in the late 50s. There was no shortage of US innovation during most of the period since 1960 (we went to the moon, for example). But, given the US tort environment, there is no business case for taking the risk to build a really-new general aviation aircraft, only proven designs. On the larger issue of innovation today, I submit the issue is motivation: no reward for success and no penalty for failure, in our society. In the words of the Strawberry Alarm Clock, Who cares what games we choose? Little to win, but nothing to lose. Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mountain Man Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 7:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Norwegian Air Shuttle Scheme Scott wrote: You can thank our legal system for the lack of innovation in aviation today. I
Re: [MBZ] Hydraulic pump for 123 wagon suspension
Just get one from the junk yard or on ebay. Ther are several here that look decent. Pick one being offered by a 100 percent ++ feedback seller http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xmercedes+hydraulic+pump+%2B+%28300%2C+123%29_nkw=mercedes+hydraulic+pump+%2B+%28300%2C+123%29_sacat=0_from=R40 On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: There is (was?) a parts supplier on this very list that can help, I'm sure. Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. *From: *Max Dillon *Sent: *Wednesday, March 5, 2014 8:37 AM *To: *Mercedes Discussion List *Reply To: *Mercedes Discussion List *Subject: *[MBZ] Hydraulic pump for 123 wagon suspension Anybody have a source for new? Rebuilt? Kent Bergsma contact info to see if he has any NOS? -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Norwegian Air Shuttle Scheme
On 04/03/2014 6:09 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Scott wrote: You can thank our legal system for the lack of innovation in aviation today. I would also thank our cookie cutter education system for lack of innovation and lack of invention in anything today. We are cookie cutter educated in all things, including legal system training. mao ___ Are you certain you want innovation in aviation? Boeing was trying to do that with the 777 and has encountered issues that could be dangerous. The old tried and true systems have stood the test ot fime and flying has been pretty safe for a long while. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Leatherique
On Mar 4, 2014 6:20 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I have a full grown ornamental fig at the corner of the house that is just bursting with figs. Too bad we don't have any use for them. Not sure they're edible anyway. Dan Lots of info on the web about how to make wine from figs. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hydraulic pump for 123 wagon suspension
Thanks, but Owner of this car spends good money for either OE or rebuilt (if OE is unreasonable or unavailable), not interested in used. On March 5, 2014 11:14:54 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Just get one from the junk yard or on ebay. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 head immersion test
Paint, latex based. Good idea to check that... On March 5, 2014 11:28:40 AM EST, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: First thought I had was what used to be in the barrel? -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 head immersion test
First thought I had was what used to be in the barrel? Hopefully, nothing that might cause a big boom when you start cutting with whatever tool. Randy On 04/03/2014 8:38 PM, Max Dillon wrote: My first thought was Plasma torch! But I don't have a buddy who owns one and can't justify purchasing or building one... On March 4, 2014 9:05:08 PM EST, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Never bring a grinder to an acetylene fight. Think about how much more fun it would be to _burn_ the barrel in half! Also good for soldering, brazing, welding... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 head immersion test
Very good. Second thought was, which way is he going to cut it? IE - like one would to make a big bbq like trough or crossways to make something like 2 big pails? Randy On 05/03/2014 10:33 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Paint, latex based. Good idea to check that... On March 5, 2014 11:28:40 AM EST, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: First thought I had was what used to be in the barrel? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hydraulic pump for 123 wagon suspension
There is (or was) a reliable parts supplier on the list who might be able to find one. --R On 3/5/14 11:29 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Thanks, but Owner of this car spends good money for either OE or rebuilt (if OE is unreasonable or unavailable), not interested in used. On March 5, 2014 11:14:54 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Just get one from the junk yard or on ebay. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 head immersion test
I passed on a torch set last summer and I've been kicking myself ever since. It was at a yard sale and cheap money but I'd have to run to the ATM and back. I did pick up a nice torque wrench but theres not much more fun you can have with your clothes on than cutting with a torch. -Curt Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 18:05:08 -0800 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 head immersion test Message-ID: 93b96fa4-a40a-11e3-8f4f-000502d9a...@windwireless.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Need to get over the Hazard Fraught to buy a grinder and some cut-off wheels, and a set of safety goggles, and cut up a barrel... Never bring a grinder to an acetylene fight. Think about how much more fun it would be to _burn_ the barrel in half! Also good for soldering, brazing, welding... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I would sure love to know what the hell this guy is talking about
Is that the V8 turbo diesel wanker engine I've heard so little about... ;)) But... does the air blow cold? And what kind of oil does it run on now, cooking oil? Not the car for me.. the ex-wife never cooked, so no cooking oil to run it on.. hahaha Where do these people come from ? Is there a special race call The mechanically ignorant that I don't know about? On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: He is confused -- it actually has the Wanker engine in it. --R On 3/4/14 8:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/4359764976.html -- Sent from cPRO for iPhone, iPod and iPad Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 head immersion test
On 05/03/2014 11:25 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: I passed on a torch set last summer and I've been kicking myself ever since. It was at a yard sale and cheap money but I'd have to run to the ATM and back. I did pick up a nice torque wrench but theres not much more fun you can have with your clothes on than cutting with a torch. -Curt I got a set last summer but the Ox tank is empty and I have not had it filled yet (or swapped - whatever they do here). Will have to do so once the weather warms a bit. Both tanks, gauges etc on a roller cart. Only the cutting torch though. No welding tips but that should not be hard to rectify. The smaller tanks - two foot high or so. Owned tanks though so no rental cost. I have rarely played with such a thing. My father had a set when I was younger and silly me let them be sold after he died. He owned the Ac tank - the bigger one but they would not sell the bigger Ox tank so it was leased. Should have kept the set. Randy who is sitting in partially in the dark as something is going bad in the light fixure overhead. It is arcing and blinking and I have shut the lights off. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Leatherique
Meh. I don't drink wine, so that's out. If I could make Fig Newtons, now that would motivate me! Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 5, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On Mar 4, 2014 6:20 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I have a full grown ornamental fig at the corner of the house that is just bursting with figs. Too bad we don't have any use for them. Not sure they're edible anyway. Dan Lots of info on the web about how to make wine from figs. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hydraulic pump for 123 wagon suspension
Just a hint: it's the one with the sexy. Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 5, 2014, at 11:49 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: There is (or was) a reliable parts supplier on the list who might be able to find one. --R On 3/5/14 11:29 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Thanks, but Owner of this car spends good money for either OE or rebuilt (if OE is unreasonable or unavailable), not interested in used. On March 5, 2014 11:14:54 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Just get one from the junk yard or on ebay. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Leatherique
No problem. If you make good wine, I am sure there are folks here on the forum who would be happy to drink it for you. Randy On 05/03/2014 11:55 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Meh. I don't drink wine, so that's out. If I could make Fig Newtons, now that would motivate me! Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 5, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On Mar 4, 2014 6:20 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I have a full grown ornamental fig at the corner of the house that is just bursting with figs. Too bad we don't have any use for them. Not sure they're edible anyway. Dan Lots of info on the web about how to make wine from figs. Randy ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Leatherique AND FIGS
Another quick Google suggests you could make jam instead of wine. Randy On 05/03/2014 11:55 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Meh. I don't drink wine, so that's out. If I could make Fig Newtons, now that would motivate me! Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 5, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On Mar 4, 2014 6:20 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I have a full grown ornamental fig at the corner of the house that is just bursting with figs. Too bad we don't have any use for them. Not sure they're edible anyway. Dan Lots of info on the web about how to make wine from figs. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Leatherique AND FIGS
Figgy pudding? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2014 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Leatherique AND FIGS Another quick Google suggests you could make jam instead of wine. Randy On 05/03/2014 11:55 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Meh. I don't drink wine, so that's out. If I could make Fig Newtons, now that would motivate me! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Leatherique
Heh. So would the wife. She makes up for my lack of wine consumption. I still like the Fig Newton idea. Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 5, 2014, at 12:57 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: No problem. If you make good wine, I am sure there are folks here on the forum who would be happy to drink it for you. Randy On 05/03/2014 11:55 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Meh. I don't drink wine, so that's out. If I could make Fig Newtons, now that would motivate me! Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 5, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On Mar 4, 2014 6:20 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I have a full grown ornamental fig at the corner of the house that is just bursting with figs. Too bad we don't have any use for them. Not sure they're edible anyway. Dan Lots of info on the web about how to make wine from figs. Randy ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I would sure love to know what the hell this guy is talking about
On 3/5/2014 9:14 AM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: Kaleb, He is probably kin to one of those folks I've seen list a 123 300D as having a V-6 engine. Or that a 116 300SD has an inline 6 cylinder engine. It never surprises me how many people try to sell a vehicle without knowing what they've been driving and what's under the hood. Roger Roger Hale You're probably right, BUT, Mercedes did try several Wankel diesel engines in their test bed C-111. Since the Wankel was tried just before they tried the diesels in the C-111, a Mercedes diesel Wankel might bolt right up to a transmission of that era. If so, someone might have gotten hold of an MB diesel Wankel engine and put it in this car without too much major adaptation. He claims to have replaced seals and main bearings. That is about all there is to replace in a Wankel and main bearings are seldom replaced in a standard Mercedes diesel without replacing other engine parts, so he seems to know something about Wankel engines. If it's not a Wankel, why is the guy saying it is when he could more easily sell the car with a standard diesel at that price? Kaleb ought to go out there and buy it if it is a Wankel. It would be an interesting addition to his fleet. Here's a description of MBs Wankel experiments: The *C111* was a series of experimental automobiles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile produced by Mercedes-Benz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz in the 1960s and 1970s. The company was experimenting with new engine technologies, including Wankel engines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wankel_engine, Diesel engines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine, and turbochargers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbocharger, and used the basic C111 platform as a testbed. Other experimental features included gullwing doors http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gullwing_door and a luxurious interior with leather trim and air conditioning http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_conditioning. The first version of the C111 http://emercedesbenz.com/Jul08/31_001312_eMercedesBenz_Feature_A_Look_Back_At_The_Mercedes_Benz_C_111_Research_Vehicle.html was completed in 1969. It used a fiberglass http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiberglass body shell and had a three-rotor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_M950F direct fuel injected http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_injected Wankel engine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wankel_engine (code named M950F http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_M950F) mounted in the middle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MR_layout. The next C111 appeared in 1970. It used a four-rotor engine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_M950F producing 370 hp (275 kW). The car could reportedly hit 290 km/h (180 mph). The company decided not to adopt the Wankel engine and turned to Diesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine experiments for the second and third C111. The C111-IID produced 190 horsepower (140 kW) and was based on the 240D 3.0 W115 model OM617 engine. The C111-III was powered by a 230 horsepower (170 kW) @ 4,500rpm straight-5 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight-5 OM617 turbodiesel which broke nine diesel and gas speed records. With more aerodynamic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerodynamic bodywork that gave it an air drag coefficient http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_coefficient of .191^[/citation needed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed/] , the C111 eventually hit 200 mph (322 km/h) at Nardò http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nard%C3%B2_Ring in 1978, and averaged 14.7mpg@ 316 km/h (195.4 mph) over a 12 hour cruise. A later 500 hp (372 kW) 4.8 L twin KKK-turbocharged V8 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8_engine version set another record, with an average lap-speed of 403.78 km/h (250.958 mph). It was achieved by Dr. Hans Leibold in 1 minute, 56.67 seconds on May 5, 1979. From: Wiki Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I would sure love to know what the hell this guy is talking about
You can run it on straight used oil. Just go to MacD's and get a 5 gallon bucket from the fryer and pour it right in. --R (you get fries with that too) On 3/5/14 12:35 PM, G Mann wrote: And what kind of oil does it run on now, cooking oil? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I would sure love to know what the hell this guy is talking about
Gerry, You may be right about this. On the other hand, if he has something that limited and special, don't you think he'd promote it more and ask more for it? Just doesn't seem to fit. Anyway, thanks for the history lesson. I was totally unaware of this info. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 head immersion test
I probably don't really need a torch, a friend has one he'll let me use all I want if I fill the tanks... -Curt Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2014 11:45:34 -0600 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 head immersion test Message-ID: 531762be.1040...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 05/03/2014 11:25 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: I passed on a torch set last summer and I've been kicking myself ever since. It was at a yard sale and cheap money but I'd have to run to the ATM and back. I did pick up a nice torque wrench but theres not much more fun you can have with your clothes on than cutting with a torch. -Curt I got a set last summer but the Ox tank is empty and I have not had it filled yet (or swapped - whatever they do here). Will have to do so once the weather warms a bit. Both tanks, gauges etc on a roller cart. Only the cutting torch though. No welding tips but that should not be hard to rectify. The smaller tanks - two foot high or so. Owned tanks though so no rental cost. I have rarely played with such a thing. My father had a set when I was younger and silly me let them be sold after he died. He owned the Ac tank - the bigger one but they would not sell the bigger Ox tank so it was leased. Should have kept the set. Randy who is sitting in partially in the dark as something is going bad in the light fixure overhead. It is arcing and blinking and I have shut the lights off. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hydraulic pump for 123 wagon suspension
I heard he has Billsteins too. -Curt Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2014 12:56:37 -0500 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hydraulic pump for 123 wagon suspension Message-ID: 69c6e1ec-9bb2-4fcb-9f65-f63600858...@penoff.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just a hint: it's the one with the sexy. Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 5, 2014, at 11:49 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: There is (or was) a reliable parts supplier on the list who might be able to find one. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I would sure love to know what the hell this guy is talking about
I remember the C111 with the wankel engine, and later testing what became the OM60x engines and turbos. They probably used it to test the OM617 turbo right after the wankel. There was a lot of Diesel development right after the fuel shortage of 1974 Ooops.. Sorry Gerry, You may be right about this. On the other hand, if he has something that limited and special, don't you think he'd promote it more and ask more for it? Just doesn't seem to fit. Anyway, thanks for the history lesson. I was totally unaware of this info. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel prices?
On 05/03/2014 4:12 PM, Dieselhead wrote: There was a lot of Diesel development right after the fuel shortage of 1974 What are you seeing right now? Our fuel - gas and diesel went up about 11 or 12 cents per liter in the last day or two. $124.9 for regular gas on the sign I can see from my office window. That makes it about $4.72 per US gallon or $5.62 per Imp gallon. And with the cold weather this winter, I am getting about 10 mpg around town with my truck. Is this the result of the Ukraine and Russia issue? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Norwegian Air Shuttle Scheme
Randy wrote: Are you certain you want innovation in aviation? Boeing was trying to do that with the 777 and has encountered issues that could be dangerous. 777 is not innovation as much as it is refinement. Yes, innovation in aviation would be interesting. Think of something other than larger size engine and traditional airfoil. What? - I don't know, but that would be innovation and not refinement. Plastic is merely a materials issue but the 777 still remains a large airfoil with huge engines not much different from the failed Smithsonian design issues 100 years ago when Wright brothers innovated with better application of ideas to get off the ground earlier than all the Smithsonian Institution's failed experiments of flight. Before the efforts of the Wright brothers concepts of flight were rather narrow but the brothers took the known concepts and innovated and refinements are known today. With what we know today, why does the blackbird remain the titleholder for world's speed? Or the Spruce Goose which is another refinement but an interesting actual example of refinement. But we don't have Jetsons type of flight today which might prove to be mere refinement instead of innovation but I would guess Jetsons would be innovation not refinement. We cannot confuse innovation and invention with refinement of materials or design issues. Tesla experiments were mostly successful but the Tesla electricity distribution issues were buried instead of left open for dissemination. That is not freedom - that is stifling oversight. We know freedom and liberty in name only today. We do not know freedom or liberty. We are the frog in the boiling pot and we don't even know it. We love our head buried in sand - nice and warm. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel prices?
Randy wrote: Is this the result of the Ukraine and Russia issue? Totally. The rich gotta get richer instead of letting a few people live along with them on the planet. Putin is said to be the richest person on the planet by far. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel prices?
What are you seeing right now? Our fuel - gas and diesel went up about 11 or 12 cents per liter in the last day or two. $124.9 for regular gas on the sign I can see from my office window. That makes it about $4.72 per US gallon or $5.62 per Imp gallon. Randy $340/US Gal right now. Up 40¢ in the past month or so. that is over 12%. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Futuristic Fuel prices?
You're living in the future, where all the MB parts vendors are bikini clad ex cheerleaders. Hendrik who is paying a fair bit for burny stuff On 06/03/14 12:07, Dieselhead wrote: What are you seeing right now? Our fuel - gas and diesel went up about 11 or 12 cents per liter in the last day or two. $124.9 for regular gas on the sign I can see from my office window. That makes it about $4.72 per US gallon or $5.62 per Imp gallon. Randy $340/US Gal right now. Up 40¢ in the past month or so. that is over 12%. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Leatherique
On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 22:52:58 -0500 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: These figs are ornamental, and inedible. I love fresh figs and tried to grow them, but w/o success. Maybe these figs can be pressed to yield oil of leatherique, thus saving the cost of that automotive maintenance fluid. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Absolutely! That would be an excellent application for Leatherique. Do understand that it may darken the leather slightly if it matters. I would cover them with Leatherique and then put them in a plastic garbage bag and set it in the sun for a day or two. I'll bet they come out feeling like new. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT - Electric Universe
One of the tenets of Electric Universe theory is that for some reason in the relatively recent past, the Solar System was electrically energized to a level that exceeds today's experience by many orders of magnitude. Planets and moons were engulfed by plasma clouds that initiated lightning bolts of tremendous power, forming large craters, cutting canyons, and raising gigantic fulgamites. www.thunderbolts.info Craig - people generating these explanations are/were at LANL it appears. Do you know this stuff? There is a conference in ABQ in a couple of weeks. This stuff sounds interesting but I know nothing about it except what I can muddle through on their website and youtube. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Leatherique
Not sure if figs have any oil content. Perhaps their seeds.. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 22:52:58 -0500 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: These figs are ornamental, and inedible. I love fresh figs and tried to grow them, but w/o success. Maybe these figs can be pressed to yield oil of leatherique, thus saving the cost of that automotive maintenance fluid. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Absolutely! That would be an excellent application for Leatherique. Do understand that it may darken the leather slightly if it matters. I would cover them with Leatherique and then put them in a plastic garbage bag and set it in the sun for a day or two. I'll bet they come out feeling like new. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Norwegian Air Shuttle Scheme
On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 22:53:48 -0600 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: And then there's tort environs... still a total hindrance to innovation today. And money. Orvill Wilbur seemed to be able to do things on somewhat shoestring. Not too much since those halcyon days has been innovated or invented. Tesla was shut down and that might have been a huge innovation against the unsightly Westinghouse distribution systems necessary today. Actually, Tesla developed the technology that was in the products George Westinghouse marketed. Westinghouse and Tesla worked very closely on that. After some years, George came to Nikola and asked if the $1/horsepower royalty on electric motors that was owed to Nikola could be waived. Nikola waived it, giving up I-don't-know-how-much-but-quite-a-bit of royalties. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 head immersion test
On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 10:45:36 -0600 Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Very good. Second thought was, which way is he going to cut it? IE - like one would to make a big bbq like trough or crossways to make something like 2 big pails? I was thinking the big BBQ-like trough would give more visibility to each section of the head. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel prices?
On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 19:37:52 -0600 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: What are you seeing right now? Our fuel - gas and diesel went up about 11 or 12 cents per liter in the last day or two. $124.9 for regular gas on the sign I can see from my office window. That makes it about $4.72 per US gallon or $5.62 per Imp gallon. Randy $340/US Gal right now. Up 40¢ in the past month or so. that is over 12%. Our prices have been: Regular MidSuper Diesel 11 Feb 2014 3.149 3.269 3.389 3.799 17 Feb 2014 3.199 3.319 3.439 3.799 19 Feb 2014 3.249 3.369 3.489 3.799 05 Mar 2014 3.359 3.489 3.609 3.859 Change: +6.7% +6.7% +6.5% +1.6% I can't say if diesel is next to shoot up. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Electric Universe
On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 21:39:39 -0600 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: One of the tenets of Electric Universe theory is that for some reason in the relatively recent past, the Solar System was electrically energized to a level that exceeds today's experience by many orders of magnitude. Planets and moons were engulfed by plasma clouds that initiated lightning bolts of tremendous power, forming large craters, cutting canyons, and raising gigantic fulgamites. www.thunderbolts.info Craig - people generating these explanations are/were at LANL it appears. Do you know this stuff? There is a conference in ABQ in a couple of weeks. This stuff sounds interesting but I know nothing about it except what I can muddle through on their website and youtube. I looked at the conference speakers and found one from Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LLNL), but none from Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL). The website has a lot of stuff on it, most of which I have never heard of. The conference will occur while we are in Indiana. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
