Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[Rick Knoble]

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From: Peter Frederick
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:40 PM
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>No bargains in red states for nice houses, >you still gotta buy  
>carefully.

>The secret, so far as I can tell, is to have a >job with a real  
>retirement (fat chance these days) and to >buy a house in a  
>neighborhood that will still be decent >when you retire and PAY YOUR  
>HOUSE OFF rather than keep using for a >line of credit.

Very sage advice. ‎

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] [SL] Hot under the collar

[Richard Hattaway]

Just curious, you had the pump replaced.. there was a big flap years ago about 
some pumps not doing the job.  They were just designed wrong, and I believe  
they were aftermarket pumps.  The true blue honest to goodness MB pumps were 
typically priced under them as I recall, but for some reason shops did not go 
to the source for the pump and that was not a good thing. 


This comes from a very rusty memory, and from someone who has been Mercedesless 
since 2005.  

Good luck.

Richard
Mercedesless in Salisbury .. 



On Friday, July 11, 2014 3:38 PM, clay  wrote:
 


Froggy is having inconsistent cooling issues.

I was taking her for an italian tune up this past weekend.  I meant to climb 
the foothills of the Cascades about 32 miles out of town (seattle) doing 70mph. 
  I made it only 22 miles before I had to pull off because the temp was 
climbing up to the red zone.  Got to a service station and drizzled a gallon of 
water over the block and rad to get temp down.  I decided to head back home and 
give it a better look.  

No visible leakage.  The system was holding pressure fine.  I checked the oil 
for water, but only found it to be black and nasty.  This within 500 miles of a 
change.  I am suspecting the shop did not really change the oil.  So, I gave it 
all new oil.  

Thermostat was changed, along with new hoses and water pump last summer.  The 
AC does not function, so that should have no impact on temps.  I have replaced 
the hood pad, and there are no cats living in the engine bay to add to the heat 
soaking.  

Transmission filter and fluids were change two years ago, about 2k miles.  

Anybody have insight?


clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] Similar Note - my 91 300D runing warmer -- **Was** Hot under the collar

[Peter Frederick]

The fan must be stiff when cold and spin at engine speed when started,  
then immediately slow down.  It must also pull with significant air  
flow at idle with the engine hot enough to engage it (about 85 C I  
think).


Also, when hot, it must stop immediately when shutting off, and this  
is the easiest test.  When the temp is high enough to kick on the aux  
fans, the engine driven fan must stop with less than a full rotation  
when the engine is stopped.  If it turns more than that, there is no  
longer any oil in the clutch and it must be replaced.


Your symptoms are exactly that of a bad fan clutch.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[Peter Frederick]

No bargains in red states for nice houses, you still gotta buy  
carefully.


The secret, so far as I can tell, is to have a job with a real  
retirement (fat chance these days) and to buy a house in a  
neighborhood that will still be decent when you retire and PAY YOUR  
HOUSE OFF rather than keep using for a line of credit.


Vast numbers of people lost their houses in the "downturn" because  
they had not paid them off, just kept borrowing against them to  
"renovate and raise the value", leaving them with more debt than they  
started with and now no job.


You might not have a McMansion with 6000 sq ft of space you will never  
use, but if it's paid for and has no mortgage, you only have to pay  
the property taxes and utilities to live there!


Peter

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[MBZ] SD radio comes on loud with new battery

[David & Kristin Gilmore]

 Not a big deal, but I wonder why the radio in my 83 300SD always 
comes on  full volume when I reconnect the battery and turn the ignition 
switch to start the car.  Even though the radio  had been off when the 
battery was disconnected.  It is the original radio/tape player.  I have 
to be quick with the off button to avoid a huge blast of static.  Once 
turned off it will turn on and function in the normal way.  And if the 
battery hasn't been disconnected it always works normally.


 When I got the car I disconnected the previous owner's car phone - 
a big old Audiovox model.  Could that be relevant?  Thanks.


 Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV


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sense of hurried movement.




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Re: [MBZ] Similar Note - my 91 300D runing warmer -- **Was** Hot under the collar

[Meade Dillon]

Larry,

I think the red line for your car is over 5000 rpm, and it is not really a
red line, it is the governed limit.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Similar Note - my 91 300D runing warmer -- **Was** Hot under the collar

[LarryT]

I have a question about temps and my 91 300D.   Some may recall I just 
replaced the radiator after the top hose nozzle broke as well as 
replacing the water pump and T'stat gasket.  While all leaks have 
stopped the temp will go to just above the 80C mark by maybe 1/8" or so, 
I'm thinking it's running just under 100C.  Anyway, when driving, the 
temp will slowly climb until it nears the unlabeled hash mark 1/2 way 
between the 80C mark  & upper mark near the red zone (120C?)  but it 
rises no further than the unmarked hash mark because the twin fans in 
front of the radiator kick in at that point and keeps it from getting 
any warmer.


I've heard the comments that the fan clutch may not be working -- I hate 
to replace the fan clutch on a "_/*maybe*/_"  - is there a way to know I 
am fixing the problem?  I've never been a fan of throwing parts at a 
problem until it's fixed - that's not being a mechanic, only a parts 
replacer ;-)


Surely everyone agrees with that approach?

Anyway, I found procedure # 20-310 which tells how to test the clutch by 
running "*the engine at 4000-5000rpm until the temp reaches 90-95C.
when it reaches that temp the speed of the  fan coupling will be very 
clearly heard to increase*."


It appears the sound of the fan moving more air will be very audible.

sound about right?  Since a diesel has a redline around 4300RPM.  I 
would not want to run it above ~3800rpm for long - agreed?


LarryT
On 7/11/2014 4:25 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:

On 11/07/2014 2:38 PM, clay wrote:

Froggy is having inconsistent cooling issues.

I was taking her for an italian tune up this past weekend.  I meant 
to climb the foothills of the Cascades about 32 miles out of town 
(seattle) doing 70mph.   I made it only 22 miles before I had to pull 
off because the temp was climbing up to the red zone.  Got to a 
service station and drizzled a gallon of water over the block and rad 
to get temp down.  I decided to head back home and give it a better 
look.


No visible leakage.  The system was holding pressure fine.  I checked 
the oil for water, but only found it to be black and nasty.  This 
within 500 miles of a change.  I am suspecting the shop did not 
really change the oil.  So, I gave it all new oil.


Thermostat was changed, along with new hoses and water pump last 
summer.  The AC does not function, so that should have no impact on 
temps.  I have replaced the hood pad, and there are no cats living in 
the engine bay to add to the heat soaking.


Transmission filter and fluids were change two years ago, about 2k 
miles.


Anybody have insight?


clay



This is the car that has had all sorts of issues is it not?
Timing and fuel mixture can be an issue with overheating if I am not 
mistaken.
Too soon, too late, or bad advance mechanism, too rich, or too lean. 
All of the above, some of the above etc. It all needs to work together.

Was the oil thin? Did it smell of fuel? Was there too much of it?

Apart from that, if the engine seemed to be running fine, then is the 
rad plugged? Does the fan work? Is there anything missing on the 
vehicle that should be there, like a fan shroud or an air dam under 
the bumper etc?
Is the coolant mixture ok? Too much or too little coolant with the 
water can make for problems.
Some cars (not necessarily MBs) were built with marginal cooling to 
begin with. Big motor, tight engine compartment, smog controls etc so 
old age does not help them cope when they were not all that good when 
they were new.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar

[Hendrik Riessen]

Has the thermostat been tested to confirm it's working properly? It seems
that thermostats can fail early. Also if the radiator is old, it could be
partially blocked. What are the hose temps coming out of the radiator?

I have the opposite problem insofar that the TE won't get past 80 much,
should sit at about 82. May well have to pull the thermostat to see if it
is operating as it should.
Anyway we made it to Queensland and I am sitting here in shorts and T
shirt. We saw that Russian sattelite break up while we where in Cobar
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/11/australian-meteorite-most-likely-part-of-russian-satellite
was pretty specky.

Hendrik
who was advised by the NSW highway patrol as to what the speed limit is


On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

> I forget, have you given it a citric acid flush?
>
> -- Jim
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 12:38 PM, clay  wrote:
>
> > Froggy is having inconsistent cooling issues.
> >
> > I was taking her for an italian tune up this past weekend.  I meant to
> > climb the foothills of the Cascades about 32 miles out of town (seattle)
> > doing 70mph.   I made it only 22 miles before I had to pull off because
> the
> > temp was climbing up to the red zone.  Got to a service station and
> > drizzled a gallon of water over the block and rad to get temp down.  I
> > decided to head back home and give it a better look.
> >
> > No visible leakage.  The system was holding pressure fine.  I checked the
> > oil for water, but only found it to be black and nasty.  This within 500
> > miles of a change.  I am suspecting the shop did not really change the
> oil.
> >  So, I gave it all new oil.
> >
> > Thermostat was changed, along with new hoses and water pump last summer.
> >  The AC does not function, so that should have no impact on temps.  I
> have
> > replaced the hood pad, and there are no cats living in the engine bay to
> > add to the heat soaking.
> >
> > Transmission filter and fluids were change two years ago, about 2k miles.
> >
> > Anybody have insight?
> >
> >
> > clay
> >
> > 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> > 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> > 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> > 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> > POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar

[Jim Cathey]

I forget, have you given it a citric acid flush?

-- Jim



On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 12:38 PM, clay  wrote:

> Froggy is having inconsistent cooling issues.
>
> I was taking her for an italian tune up this past weekend.  I meant to
> climb the foothills of the Cascades about 32 miles out of town (seattle)
> doing 70mph.   I made it only 22 miles before I had to pull off because the
> temp was climbing up to the red zone.  Got to a service station and
> drizzled a gallon of water over the block and rad to get temp down.  I
> decided to head back home and give it a better look.
>
> No visible leakage.  The system was holding pressure fine.  I checked the
> oil for water, but only found it to be black and nasty.  This within 500
> miles of a change.  I am suspecting the shop did not really change the oil.
>  So, I gave it all new oil.
>
> Thermostat was changed, along with new hoses and water pump last summer.
>  The AC does not function, so that should have no impact on temps.  I have
> replaced the hood pad, and there are no cats living in the engine bay to
> add to the heat soaking.
>
> Transmission filter and fluids were change two years ago, about 2k miles.
>
> Anybody have insight?
>
>
> clay
>
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 104, Issue 44

[Curt Raymond]

I think Yahoo learns, if I tell it that you're "not spam" a couple times it 
seems to stop putting your stuff into the spam folder.

Replies seem to act a little different from newly originated emails anyway.

-Curt



 From: Rick Knoble 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 104, Issue 44
 

‎And I see your replies. That's better than a bounce. 

Rick 
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  Original Message  
From: Curt Raymond
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 6:10 PM
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Now I'm starting to see your replies...

-Curt



 From: Rick Knoble 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 104, Issue 44
 

‎Yahoo mail, Hotmail, AOL mail, and Gmail all seem to have problems together 
with email forwarded from an email list such as this one. Surprisingly it 
hasn't been fixed yet, as both Google and Yahoo host email groups. 
‎
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His are with yours in my spam folder . . .


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> Hmm, I'm strangely not seeing Rick's emails at all, not even in the spam
> folder...
>
> -Curt
>
>
> --
>
OK Don

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 104, Issue 44

[Rick Knoble]

‎And I see your replies. That's better than a bounce. 

Rick 
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  Original Message  
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Now I'm starting to see your replies...

-Curt



 From: Rick Knoble 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 104, Issue 44
 

‎Yahoo mail, Hotmail, AOL mail, and Gmail all seem to have problems together 
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Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 5:25 PM
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His are with yours in my spam folder . . .


On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Hmm, I'm strangely not seeing Rick's emails at all, not even in the spam
> folder...
>
> -Curt
>
>
> --
>
OK Don

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 104, Issue 44

[Curt Raymond]

Now I'm starting to see your replies...

-Curt



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Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 7:03 PM
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Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 5:25 PM
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His are with yours in my spam folder . . .


On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Hmm, I'm strangely not seeing Rick's emails at all, not even in the spam
> folder...
>
> -Curt
>
>
> --
>
OK Don

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 104, Issue 44

[Rick Knoble]

‎Yahoo mail, Hotmail, AOL mail, and Gmail all seem to have problems together 
with email forwarded from an email list such as this one. Surprisingly it 
hasn't been fixed yet, as both Google and Yahoo host email groups. 
‎
Rick 
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  Original Message  
From: OK Don
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His are with yours in my spam folder . . .


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[MBZ] Mercedes-Benz builds a glamper van

[OK Don]

K'leb NEEDS one of these ---

Designed by Westfalia-Werke , renowned
for its classic “pop-top” Volkswagen van-conversion packages, the Marco
Polo relentlessly eliminates “roughing it” from the  camping lexicon. Based
on the sleek new V-Class design, which was unveiled earlier this year and
effectively replaces the Viano and Vito vans, the stylish Marco Polo sleeps
four people, courtesy of a two-seat rear bench that morphs into a single or
double bed in seconds, and an upper berth that nests beneath an
electric-powered pop-up roof.

The Marco Polo might transform even a trip along the arduous Silk Road into
a pleasure excursion, thanks to amenities such as a kitchenette with two
gas burners, a sink, a 10½-gallon refrigerator, a 10-gallon fresh-water
tank, a 10½-gallon waste tank, a large wardrobe and a fold-away tabletop.
There’s even a swing-out, illuminated mirror.

Refined aesthetics come along for the ride, too, with porcelain-colored
furniture, roof and walls that create an aura of spaciousness; a replicated
yacht-decking floor; ambient LED lighting; and piano-black lacquered trim.
And to sate the need for speed, chose from several turbocharged
four-cylinder diesel engines that top out at 190 horsepower. Can an AMG
version be far behind?

Set to debut this month at the Caravan Salon 
in Düsseldorf, Germany, the Marco Polo is nimble, too, with a turning
radius of just under 39 feet, comparable to many luxury cars. Whether on
the road or at home for a driveway staycation, camping just got a whole lot
cushier.

*Pictures are at*:
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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[Curt Raymond]

No teeth in Arkansas...
Mexico is a good place to get killed, theres a reason 50,000 young folks have 
fled Central America to the US.

I think a blue state with high income taxes like MA would be a good choice for 
a retiree since your income is low so would your tax burden. Move someplace 
semi-rural like I do but I'm still close to a good hospital, have access to 
some services etc.
NH would be a lousy choice financially, no income tax but they make up for it 
in property tax.

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To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] (no subject)
 

On 11/07/2014 4:36 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:
> Politically opposite Canadian provinces?
> On Jul 11, 2014 5:28 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:
>
>> On 11/07/2014 3:54 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:
>>
>>> The "secret" to affordable retirement is to minimize your fixed costs.
>>>   That
>>> means low insurance, low taxes, and no house payment.  This adds up to
>>> moving to a red state as far as I can tell.
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>>   What is a "red" state?
Ok, that did not help much.

Are we talking Republican as red and Democrat as Blue? or am I backwards 
on that?

I would think that the more socialist the government, then the better it 
is for the poor.
If one is a poor senior then one might be better off if the government 
provides more services even if the tax rates are higher etc.

How about someplace like Arkansas? Not too far north so the winters are 
not too bad. Not too far south so the summers should not be too bad.
Lots of poor folks so you won't have to keep up with the neighbors. Your 
50 year old rusty MB will fit right in.

Or you could turn the tables on them and sneak into Mexico. Supposed to 
be cheap to live there.

Randy who will likely freeze in the GWN




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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[Dwight Giles]

This started a few years ago on election night when tv network (CNN?)
Started using map graphics to show vote- red for reps blue for dems  &
then term came to be used to describe states.
On Jul 11, 2014 6:24 PM, "Rick Knoble"  wrote:

> ‎>>>   What is a "red" state?
> Ok, that did not help much.‎
> ‎
> >Are we talking Republican as red and >Democrat as Blue?
>
> Yes.
>
> >or am I backwards ‎
> >on that?‎
> ‎
> No
>
> >I would think that the more socialist the >government, then the better it
> ‎
> >is for the poor.‎
>
> Possibly.
>
> >If one is a poor senior then one might be >better off if the government
> >provides more services even if the tax >rates are higher etc.
>
> Unfortunately a senior with a pension and SSI will probably be just above
> the poverty line, and thus, not "poor" by government definition.
> ‎
> >How about someplace like Arkansas? Not >too far north so the winters are
> >not too bad. Not too far south so the >summers should not be too bad.
> >Lots of poor folks so you won't have to >keep up with the neighbors. Your
> >50 year old rusty MB will fit right in.
>
> Our very own Luther G. Hails from there, as does M cubed. Perhaps one of
> them will chime in. ‎It appears that AR is a red state.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states
>
> >Or you could turn the tables on them and >sneak into Mexico. Supposed to
> >be cheap to live there.‎
>
> The Mexican government frowns on "sneaking into" their country.
>
> http://www.mexperience.com/store/vuitem.php?itemid=26‎
>
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 104, Issue 44

[OK Don]

His are with yours in my spam folder . . .


On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Hmm, I'm strangely not seeing Rick's emails at all, not even in the spam
> folder...
>
> -Curt
>
>
> --
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OK Don

NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[Rick Knoble]

‎>>>   What is a "red" state?
Ok, that did not help much.‎
‎
>Are we talking Republican as red and >Democrat as Blue? 

Yes. 

>or am I backwards ‎
>on that?‎
‎
No

>I would think that the more socialist the >government, then the better it ‎
>is for the poor.‎

Possibly.  

>If one is a poor senior then one might be >better off if the government 
>provides more services even if the tax >rates are higher etc.

Unfortunately a senior with a pension and SSI will probably be just above the 
poverty line, and thus, not "poor" by government definition. 
‎
>How about someplace like Arkansas? Not >too far north so the winters are 
>not too bad. Not too far south so the >summers should not be too bad.
>Lots of poor folks so you won't have to >keep up with the neighbors. Your 
>50 year old rusty MB will fit right in.

Our very own Luther G. Hails from there, as does M cubed. Perhaps one of them 
will chime in. ‎It appears that AR is a red state. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states

>Or you could turn the tables on them and >sneak into Mexico. Supposed to 
>be cheap to live there.‎

The Mexican government frowns on "sneaking into" their country. 

http://www.mexperience.com/store/vuitem.php?itemid=26‎

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[OK Don]

Did that - still not enough time! I am making better headway though . . .


On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Rick Knoble 
wrote:

> ‎I need to retire so I can pursue my hobbies.
>
> Rick
>
>


-- 
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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[Randy Bennell]

On 11/07/2014 4:36 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:

Politically opposite Canadian provinces?
On Jul 11, 2014 5:28 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:


On 11/07/2014 3:54 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:


The "secret" to affordable retirement is to minimize your fixed costs.
  That
means low insurance, low taxes, and no house payment.  This adds up to
moving to a red state as far as I can tell.
Scott


  What is a "red" state?

Ok, that did not help much.

Are we talking Republican as red and Democrat as Blue? or am I backwards 
on that?


I would think that the more socialist the government, then the better it 
is for the poor.
If one is a poor senior then one might be better off if the government 
provides more services even if the tax rates are higher etc.


How about someplace like Arkansas? Not too far north so the winters are 
not too bad. Not too far south so the summers should not be too bad.
Lots of poor folks so you won't have to keep up with the neighbors. Your 
50 year old rusty MB will fit right in.


Or you could turn the tables on them and sneak into Mexico. Supposed to 
be cheap to live there.


Randy who will likely freeze in the GWN

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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[Dwight Giles]

Politically opposite Canadian provinces?
On Jul 11, 2014 5:28 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:

> On 11/07/2014 3:54 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:
>
>> The "secret" to affordable retirement is to minimize your fixed costs.
>>  That
>> means low insurance, low taxes, and no house payment.  This adds up to
>> moving to a red state as far as I can tell.
>> Scott
>>
>>
>>  What is a "red" state?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[Randy Bennell]

On 11/07/2014 3:54 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:

The "secret" to affordable retirement is to minimize your fixed costs.  That
means low insurance, low taxes, and no house payment.  This adds up to
moving to a red state as far as I can tell.
Scott



What is a "red" state?



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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[Scott Ritchey]

The "secret" to affordable retirement is to minimize your fixed costs.  That
means low insurance, low taxes, and no house payment.  This adds up to
moving to a red state as far as I can tell.  
Scott

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> 
> My dilemma exactly -- if I retire at 62, which is a very great
> temptation, believe me -- I cannot manage on what piddly SS I will get
> along with my tiny 401k.  I'll have to wait til at least 67 to get
> full SS, and I'd rather wait til 70 if I can hang in there.
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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[Peter Frederick]

My dilemma exactly -- if I retire at 62, which is a very great  
temptation, believe me -- I cannot manage on what piddly SS I will get  
along with my tiny 401k.  I'll have to wait til at least 67 to get  
full SS, and I'd rather wait til 70 if I can hang in there.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar

[Randy Bennell]

On 11/07/2014 2:38 PM, clay wrote:

Froggy is having inconsistent cooling issues.

I was taking her for an italian tune up this past weekend.  I meant to climb 
the foothills of the Cascades about 32 miles out of town (seattle) doing 70mph. 
  I made it only 22 miles before I had to pull off because the temp was 
climbing up to the red zone.  Got to a service station and drizzled a gallon of 
water over the block and rad to get temp down.  I decided to head back home and 
give it a better look.

No visible leakage.  The system was holding pressure fine.  I checked the oil 
for water, but only found it to be black and nasty.  This within 500 miles of a 
change.  I am suspecting the shop did not really change the oil.  So, I gave it 
all new oil.

Thermostat was changed, along with new hoses and water pump last summer.  The 
AC does not function, so that should have no impact on temps.  I have replaced 
the hood pad, and there are no cats living in the engine bay to add to the heat 
soaking.

Transmission filter and fluids were change two years ago, about 2k miles.

Anybody have insight?


clay



This is the car that has had all sorts of issues is it not?
Timing and fuel mixture can be an issue with overheating if I am not 
mistaken.
Too soon, too late, or bad advance mechanism, too rich, or too lean. All 
of the above, some of the above etc. It all needs to work together.

Was the oil thin? Did it smell of fuel? Was there too much of it?

Apart from that, if the engine seemed to be running fine, then is the 
rad plugged? Does the fan work? Is there anything missing on the vehicle 
that should be there, like a fan shroud or an air dam under the bumper etc?
Is the coolant mixture ok? Too much or too little coolant with the water 
can make for problems.
Some cars (not necessarily MBs) were built with marginal cooling to 
begin with. Big motor, tight engine compartment, smog controls etc so 
old age does not help them cope when they were not all that good when 
they were new.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[Randy Bennell]

On 11/07/2014 2:44 PM, Craig wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 12:41:30 -0500 Rick Knoble 
wrote:


‎I need to retire so I can pursue my hobbies.

One day several years ago, as I was about to get into the car and head
off to the Lab, my retired neighbor came over and said, "I don't know how
you guys with a job get anything done!"


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar

[Curt Raymond]

De-scale, de-oil the cooling system?

If the cooling system is up to snuff (which it appears to be, can you hold the 
computer closer to the radiator?) then the problem has to be something adding 
heat where it doesn't belong, timing maybe?

Does turning on the heat help?

-Curt



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To: Mercedes Discussion List ; SL Discussion List 
 
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 3:38 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Hot under the collar
 

Froggy is having inconsistent cooling issues.

I was taking her for an italian tune up this past weekend.  I meant to climb 
the foothills of the Cascades about 32 miles out of town (seattle) doing 70mph. 
  I made it only 22 miles before I had to pull off because the temp was 
climbing up to the red zone.  Got to a service station and drizzled a gallon of 
water over the block and rad to get temp down.  I decided to head back home and 
give it a better look.  

No visible leakage.  The system was holding pressure fine.  I checked the oil 
for water, but only found it to be black and nasty.  This within 500 miles of a 
change.  I am suspecting the shop did not really change the oil.  So, I gave it 
all new oil.  

Thermostat was changed, along with new hoses and water pump last summer.  The 
AC does not function, so that should have no impact on temps.  I have replaced 
the hood pad, and there are no cats living in the engine bay to add to the heat 
soaking.  

Transmission filter and fluids were change two years ago, about 2k miles.  

Anybody have insight?


clay 

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Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar

[Peter Frederick]

Check the function of the visco clutch and make sure the auxilliary  
fan comes on at about 100C.  With both of those out of action on a  
steep grade, you will overheat.


Also check to make sure the bottom radiator hose has not gone soft.   
They can collapse under high speed pump operation, starving the block  
of coolant.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[Craig]

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 12:41:30 -0500 Rick Knoble 
wrote:

> ‎I need to retire so I can pursue my hobbies. 

One day several years ago, as I was about to get into the car and head
off to the Lab, my retired neighbor came over and said, "I don't know how
you guys with a job get anything done!"


Craig

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[MBZ] Hot under the collar

[clay]

Froggy is having inconsistent cooling issues.

I was taking her for an italian tune up this past weekend.  I meant to climb 
the foothills of the Cascades about 32 miles out of town (seattle) doing 70mph. 
  I made it only 22 miles before I had to pull off because the temp was 
climbing up to the red zone.  Got to a service station and drizzled a gallon of 
water over the block and rad to get temp down.  I decided to head back home and 
give it a better look.  

No visible leakage.  The system was holding pressure fine.  I checked the oil 
for water, but only found it to be black and nasty.  This within 500 miles of a 
change.  I am suspecting the shop did not really change the oil.  So, I gave it 
all new oil.  

Thermostat was changed, along with new hoses and water pump last summer.  The 
AC does not function, so that should have no impact on temps.  I have replaced 
the hood pad, and there are no cats living in the engine bay to add to the heat 
soaking.  

Transmission filter and fluids were change two years ago, about 2k miles.  

Anybody have insight?


clay 

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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[Andrew Strasfogel]

You mean this whole business of posting sh*t on the list doesn't constitute
a hobby?


On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 2:04 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> Yep.
>
> Wilt
>
> - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff" 
> To: "Mercedes List" 
> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 12:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] (no subject)
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>  You guys need a hobby
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> On Jul 11, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Rich Thomas > constructivity.net> wrote:
>>
>>  I agree
>>>
>>> --R
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/11/14 10:44 AM, WILTON wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

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Yep.

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You guys need a hobby

Dan


On Jul 11, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Rich Thomas 
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I agree

--R


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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[Rick Knoble]

‎I need to retire so I can pursue my hobbies. 

Rick 
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.

  Original Message  
From: Dan Penoff
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:59 AM
To: Mercedes List
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You guys need a hobby

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 104, Issue 44

[Curt Raymond]

Hmm, I'm strangely not seeing Rick's emails at all, not even in the spam 
folder...

-Curt



 From: Rich Thomas 
To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 104, Issue 44
 

Send Wilton over to check them out, he lives right there

--R


On 7/11/14 11:54 AM, Rick Hawkins Java wrote:
> Gary and all
>
> I called these folks yesterday
>
> ansaautomotive.com
>
>
> Corporate Office and Warehouse
>
> Toll Free:    800-277-2787
> Phone #:    919-580-2000
> Fax #:
> Address:    300 Dixie Trail
> Goldsboro, NC 27530
> Email:    i...@ansaautomotive.com
>
> THEY claim that they manufacture the stuff right there in NORTH CAROLINA
>
> i was skeptical but that's what they claim
>
> So, gary, what is your delivered price  (to georgia) for the pipe from 
> eberspracher (which i assume is still german)?
> thanks,
>
> xx rick
> Rick Hawkins
>
> On Jul 11, 2014, at 8:00 AM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote:
>
>>
>> From: Gary Hurst 
>> Date: July 10, 2014 5:44:06 PM EDT
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ANSA?
>>
>>
>> Ansa is italian.  It is good.  I would get eberspacher for 130 before 
>> I got
>> ansa for 100, but you are happy either way.  How much do I purport to 
>> want
>> for it?
>> On Jul 10, 2014 2:23 PM, "Rick Hawkins Java"  wrote:
>>
>>> Folks
>>>
>>> i need another flexible downpipe exhaust header for my 1982 300td
>>>
>>> I replaced it a few years ago with a used one and it seems to have 
>>> failed
>>> again
>>>
>>> Where is ANSA brand exhaust stuff made?
>>>
>>> i can get an ANSA for about $100 delivered
>>>
>>> and maybe $130 for Eberspracher or however it is spelled
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>>
>>> xx rick
>>> Rick Hawkins
>>
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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[Rich Thomas]

Actually I have too many.  I will need your expertise in one of them, 
will post later


--R


On 7/11/14 12:58 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

You guys need a hobby

Dan


On Jul 11, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Rich Thomas 
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I agree

--R


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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 104, Issue 44

[Rich Thomas]

Send Wilton over to check them out, he lives right there

--R


On 7/11/14 11:54 AM, Rick Hawkins Java wrote:

Gary and all

I called these folks yesterday

ansaautomotive.com


Corporate Office and Warehouse

Toll Free:800-277-2787
Phone #:919-580-2000
Fax #:
Address:300 Dixie Trail
Goldsboro, NC 27530
Email:i...@ansaautomotive.com

THEY claim that they manufacture the stuff right there in NORTH CAROLINA

i was skeptical but that's what they claim

So, gary, what is your delivered price  (to georgia) for the pipe from 
eberspracher (which i assume is still german)?

thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

On Jul 11, 2014, at 8:00 AM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote:



From: Gary Hurst 
Date: July 10, 2014 5:44:06 PM EDT
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ANSA?


Ansa is italian.  It is good.  I would get eberspacher for 130 before 
I got
ansa for 100, but you are happy either way.  How much do I purport to 
want

for it?
On Jul 10, 2014 2:23 PM, "Rick Hawkins Java"  wrote:


Folks

i need another flexible downpipe exhaust header for my 1982 300td

I replaced it a few years ago with a used one and it seems to have 
failed

again

Where is ANSA brand exhaust stuff made?

i can get an ANSA for about $100 delivered

and maybe $130 for Eberspracher or however it is spelled




thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins




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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[Dan Penoff]

You guys need a hobby

Dan


On Jul 11, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Rich Thomas 
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> I agree
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> --R
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 104, Issue 44

[Rick Hawkins Java]

Gary and all

I called these folks yesterday

ansaautomotive.com


Corporate Office and Warehouse

Toll Free:  800-277-2787
Phone #:919-580-2000
Fax #:  
Address:300 Dixie Trail
Goldsboro, NC 27530
Email:  i...@ansaautomotive.com



















THEY claim that they manufacture the stuff right there in NORTH CAROLINA

i was skeptical but that's what they claim

So, gary, what is your delivered price  (to georgia) for the pipe from  
eberspracher (which i assume is still german)?




thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

On Jul 11, 2014, at 8:00 AM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote:



From: Gary Hurst 
Date: July 10, 2014 5:44:06 PM EDT
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ANSA?


Ansa is italian.  It is good.  I would get eberspacher for 130  
before I got
ansa for 100, but you are happy either way.  How much do I purport  
to want

for it?
On Jul 10, 2014 2:23 PM, "Rick Hawkins Java"  wrote:


Folks

i need another flexible downpipe exhaust header for my 1982 300td

I replaced it a few years ago with a used one and it seems to have  
failed

again

Where is ANSA brand exhaust stuff made?

i can get an ANSA for about $100 delivered

and maybe $130 for Eberspracher or however it is spelled




thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins




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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[Curt Raymond]

Not much exciting here, I'm updating courseware.

I did put a can of r134a in the Jetta on Wednesday which got the AC working. 
Its not super cold (I can't find my AC thermometer) so I think it needs another 
can. It still worked yesterday so if theres a leak its not a huge one.

Curt



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Subject: [MBZ] (no subject)
 


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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

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I agree

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[MBZ] (no subject)

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Re: [MBZ] KlebCar Alert!!

[M. Mitchell Marmel]

Huh!  That's B2's car's twin.  Avec more miles, of course.

-MMM-


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wrote:

> Definitely crusher-worthy.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 8:42 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
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> >
> >
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2075354-fs-79-300sd-southwest-houston-tx.html#post9405370
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> > Only 576k! (miles)
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