Re: [MBZ] central locking system - '87 300SDL
My problem seems to be much more of an electrical issue than just the locking vacuum pump. I replaced the pump with a used one but the fuse blew again. Then disconnected the electrical antennae, but it blew again. Then I did the same with the trunk light, and the front overhead lights, but in time the fuse kept blowing. It is strange in that I seem to be able to replace the fuse, everything works fine for quite a while, then it just pops again. Occasionally it blows when I replace it like in a direct short situation; if I leave it alone for a while, then replace the fuse, it will work again for several weeks at a time, before it will blow again for no apparent reason. It is like there is a direct short somewhere and it only blows when the timing is right, like a bare wire touching occasionally. When the fuse does pop, I can tell, as the red lights over the rear view mirror for the seat belts will continually blink on and off when I am driving. And of course the ant. won't go up or down and the central locking system won't work. I'm at a loss with this one. Ralph '87 300SDL '84 300CD On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Ralph Robertson rare...@gmail.com wrote: My central locking system blew a fuse and I have to manually open a door, with the key, and pull up the lock buttons to open them, and reverse, to lock the car. When I try to replace the fuse, the alarm sounds until I remove the fuse again. How can I replace the fuse without driving everybody nuts with the horn blowing? I tried even removing the actual horn fuse, but the alarm went off anyway. Ralph '87 300SDL ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Similar Note - my 91 300D runing warmer -- **Was** Hot under the collar
Thanks Peter - will check it today! ;-) Larry On 7/11/2014 11:44 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: The fan must be stiff when cold and spin at engine speed when started, then immediately slow down. It must also pull with significant air flow at idle with the engine hot enough to engage it (about 85 C I think). Also, when hot, it must stop immediately when shutting off, and this is the easiest test. When the temp is high enough to kick on the aux fans, the engine driven fan must stop with less than a full rotation when the engine is stopped. If it turns more than that, there is no longer any oil in the clutch and it must be replaced. Your symptoms are exactly that of a bad fan clutch. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] central locking system - '87 300SDL
Broken wire in one of the door accordion covers? I'm talking about the door hinge area, where the wires exit the body and enter the door. All the flexing that occurs there will eventually break wires. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Jul 12, 2014 6:18 AM, Ralph Robertson rare...@gmail.com wrote: My problem seems to be much more of an electrical issue than just the locking vacuum pump. I replaced the pump with a used one but the fuse blew again. Then disconnected the electrical antennae, but it blew again. Then I did the same with the trunk light, and the front overhead lights, but in time the fuse kept blowing. It is strange in that I seem to be able to replace the fuse, everything works fine for quite a while, then it just pops again. Occasionally it blows when I replace it like in a direct short situation; if I leave it alone for a while, then replace the fuse, it will work again for several weeks at a time, before it will blow again for no apparent reason. It is like there is a direct short somewhere and it only blows when the timing is right, like a bare wire touching occasionally. When the fuse does pop, I can tell, as the red lights over the rear view mirror for the seat belts will continually blink on and off when I am driving. And of course the ant. won't go up or down and the central locking system won't work. I'm at a loss with this one. Ralph '87 300SDL '84 300CD On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Ralph Robertson rare...@gmail.com wrote: My central locking system blew a fuse and I have to manually open a door, with the key, and pull up the lock buttons to open them, and reverse, to lock the car. When I try to replace the fuse, the alarm sounds until I remove the fuse again. How can I replace the fuse without driving everybody nuts with the horn blowing? I tried even removing the actual horn fuse, but the alarm went off anyway. Ralph '87 300SDL ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] central locking system - '87 300SDL
No, the timer relay for the interior lights is bad. Probably sucks the battery flat if the car isn't run daily as well. Also check the wiring for the trunk light, it's notorious for rubbing through at the deck lid hinge and intermittenly shorting out. Don't keep sticking fuses in, the wiring is going to melt sooner or later and turn a simple job into a real mess -- we did this on my brother's SDL a few years ago. Had to pull the rear seat and a bunch of trim panels to get to the wiring harness and replace a bunch of wires that were now shorted together after the insulation melted. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] (no subject)
Keeping expenses low is the way to be and not keeping up with the Joneses is the way to do that. A modest life is all I need. -Curt From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] (no subject) No bargains in red states for nice houses, you still gotta buy carefully. The secret, so far as I can tell, is to have a job with a real retirement (fat chance these days) and to buy a house in a neighborhood that will still be decent when you retire and PAY YOUR HOUSE OFF rather than keep using for a line of credit. Vast numbers of people lost their houses in the downturn because they had not paid them off, just kept borrowing against them to renovate and raise the value, leaving them with more debt than they started with and now no job. You might not have a McMansion with 6000 sq ft of space you will never use, but if it's paid for and has no mortgage, you only have to pay the property taxes and utilities to live there! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] New address for Mitch
In case anybody cares, my address of the last 17 years @voyager.net is irretrievably lost, so now I'm mi...@mitchellhaley.com Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] (no subject)
Several of our kids are in a transition phase, So I've been sending them helpful (?) decision making info. These are a few. Yes, I know, the methodology used is highly subjective and suspect . . . *Quality-of-life laggards* There are many ideal places around the country to raise a family, get a job and have a great recreational lifestyle. Then there are the states mired in problems that don't get high marks for quality of life in America's top states for business http://www.cnbc.com/id/101758236. We look at several factors — including crime rate, local attractions, health care and the environment — for the ranking. These 10 states rank last. If you call one of them home, you may disagree. But by the objective measures we consider in our quality of life category, these states have plenty of room for improvement. 10. Arkansas Arkansas' official nickname is the Natural State. But perhaps a bit more natural food might be in order. The United Health Foundation says more than one third of Arkansas residents are obese. One quarter of all adults are smokers. In all, Arkansans are among the least healthy people in the nation. Fewer than 60 percent of state residents are optimistic, according to Gallup. But Arkansas does live up to its nickname when it comes to the environment. - 2014 quality of life score: 95 points (out of 300) - Weaknesses: Crime rate, health - Strength: Air quality - 2013 quality of life rank: 40 - 2014 top states overall rank: 30 9. Kentucky Maybe it is fitting in the heart of tobacco country, but more than 28 percent of adults in the Bluegrass State are smokers -- the highest figure in the nation. And that contributes to Kentucky's being one of America's unhealthiest states. Air quality is poor here, and not just because of the cigarette smoke. Campbell County, across the river from Cincinnati, has some of the worst ozone pollution in the nation, according to the American Lung Association. On the positive side, the crime rate here is low. - 2014 quality of life score: 94 points (out of 300) - Weaknesses: Health, air quality - Strength: Low crime rate - 2013 quality of life rank: 38 - 2014 top states overall rank: 39 8. Ohio The Buckeye State's industrial heritage has left a mark on its environment, with some of America's dirtiest air and one of the worst records for toxic releases, according to the EPA. Ohio also has relatively high rates of diabetes and obesity. People still like to visit, though. Some 357,000 international travelers made Ohio part of their itinerary in 2012, according to the U.S. Commerce Department. - 2014 quality of life score: 88 points (out of 300) - Weaknesses: Health, environment - Strengths: Local attractions, crime rate - 2013 quality of life rank: 44 - 2014 top states overall rank: 18 7. Indiana Smokestack industries in the northwest corner of the Hoosier State help power Indiana's economic engine, but they are not great for the environment. Air and water pollution in Indiana are among the worst in the country. Fewer than half of Indianans exercise frequently, according to Gallup, leaving the state in the bottom 10 for health. Like the state itself, the crime rate in the Crossroads of America is roughly in the middle of the country. - 2014 quality of life score: 85 points (out of 300) - Weaknesses: Environment, health, local attractions - Strength: Moderate crime rate - 2013 quality of life rank: 39 - 2014 top states overall rank: 19 6. Michigan Michigan is a large and diverse state that touches four of the five Great Lakes. Detroit is a world away from, say, Marquette. Even so, the Wolverine State as a whole suffers from a myriad of quality-of-life issues. The violent crime rate is relatively high, and not just in the cities. High ozone levels hurt air quality. The legislature recently increased the tourism budget to attract more international visitors. Based on the most recent figures from the Commerce Department, the money is badly needed. - 2014 quality of life score: 82 points (out of 300) - Weaknesses: Air quality, crime rate, local attractions - Strength: Health insurance coverage - 2013 quality of life rank: 43 - 2014 top states overall rank: 26 5. Alabama The Heart of Dixie suffers from a high rate of heart disease, not to mention cancer and diabetes -- Sweet Home, indeed. Alabamans are among the least healthy people in America, and the crime rate is high. Toxic chemical releases are a problem, according to the EPA. But the air in Alabama is cleaner than average. - 2014 quality of life score: 79 points (out of 300) - Weaknesses: Health, crime - Strength: Air quality - 2013 quality of life rank: 45 - 2014 top states overall rank: 34 4. Louisiana New Orleans is an amazing place to visit, but we're talking about quality of life. Living in the Pelican State presents plenty of challenges, including one of the highest violent crime rates in the country
Re: [MBZ] (no subject)
Randy Bennell wrote: I would think that the more socialist the government, then the better it is for the poor. In the same way that the more people hand food to the bears, the better it is for the bears? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] central locking system - '87 300SDL
Re the interior lights, I had put the switch for the interior lights in the off position so that NO interior lights would come on when the doors were opened, and they have been that way for about 3 months. In the meantime the fuse has blown about 10 times. Could it still be the timer relay? I will remove the troublesome fuse right away before anything worse happens. I will also explore the other suggestions to see if I can find any bare wires. Thanks. Ralph On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: No, the timer relay for the interior lights is bad. Probably sucks the battery flat if the car isn't run daily as well. Also check the wiring for the trunk light, it's notorious for rubbing through at the deck lid hinge and intermittenly shorting out. Don't keep sticking fuses in, the wiring is going to melt sooner or later and turn a simple job into a real mess -- we did this on my brother's SDL a few years ago. Had to pull the rear seat and a bunch of trim panels to get to the wiring harness and replace a bunch of wires that were now shorted together after the insulation melted. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] (no subject)
I wonder if Russians and citizens of their republics and satellites would agree with this? I would think that the more socialist the government, then the better it is for the poor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] (no subject)
While lists like this are interesting and some things (like state taxes) are state-wide, states are not homogeneous. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 6:22 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] (no subject) Several of our kids are in a transition phase, So I've been sending them helpful (?) decision making info. These are a few. Yes, I know, the methodology used is highly subjective and suspect . . . *Quality-of-life laggards* There are many ideal places around the country to raise a family, get a job and have a great recreational lifestyle. Then there are the states mired in problems that don't get high marks for quality of life in America's top states for business http://www.cnbc.com/id/101758236. We look at several factors - including crime rate, local attractions, health care and the environment - for the ranking. These 10 states rank last. If you call one of them home, you may disagree. But by the objective measures we consider in our quality of life category, these states have plenty of room for improvement. 10. Arkansas ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] central locking system - '87 300SDL
The switch turns off the lights at the lamp, the relay is still operating, as is the locking pump. The relay also operates the seat belt reminder lamps, which is why I suspect it's bad. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] (no subject)
There is such a long list of successful socialist countries that have satisfied citizens and strong work ethics.. you can find it by looking at the immigration records of this country, you know they one where they all came to escape the forced labor camps, poverty, bad health care, military oppression, and outright murder of their fellow citizens and family.. Yep.. old people fair so much better where there is socialism They die early.. after being abandoned by anyone young and brave enough to leave. America was founded by a group of Homo Erectus that are rapidly devolving into the race of Homo Spineless, lacking the backbone to take responsibility for their own actions and depending on some Great Messiah to deliver them from their own habits of doing nothing themselves. It appears we have devolved from Get out of my way while I do it to What difference does it make, let government do it. Respectfully, your personal mileage may vary. Grant.. Who built it by the force of sweat and effort On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Mitchell Haley EA mi...@mitchellhaley.com wrote: Randy Bennell wrote: I would think that the more socialist the government, then the better it is for the poor. In the same way that the more people hand food to the bears, the better it is for the bears? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT Re: (no subject)
You didn't build that! Someone else built that! --R (notice I made no subject OT) On 7/12/14 2:35 PM, G Mann wrote: It appears we have devolved from Get out of my way while I do it to What difference does it make, let government do it. Grant.. Who built it by the force of sweat and effort ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] (no subject)
Where's the Mercedes content here? On Jul 12, 2014 2:35 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: There is such a long list of successful socialist countries that have satisfied citizens and strong work ethics.. you can find it by looking at the immigration records of this country, you know they one where they all came to escape the forced labor camps, poverty, bad health care, military oppression, and outright murder of their fellow citizens and family.. Yep.. old people fair so much better where there is socialism They die early.. after being abandoned by anyone young and brave enough to leave. America was founded by a group of Homo Erectus that are rapidly devolving into the race of Homo Spineless, lacking the backbone to take responsibility for their own actions and depending on some Great Messiah to deliver them from their own habits of doing nothing themselves. It appears we have devolved from Get out of my way while I do it to What difference does it make, let government do it. Respectfully, your personal mileage may vary. Grant.. Who built it by the force of sweat and effort On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Mitchell Haley EA mi...@mitchellhaley.com wrote: Randy Bennell wrote: I would think that the more socialist the government, then the better it is for the poor. In the same way that the more people hand food to the bears, the better it is for the bears? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] (no subject)
Not so sure it applies in true socialist regimes. Was mostly thinking about our situation. If you have a good job and make lots of money in Alberta you will be ok. If you are poor in Alberta, you have a problem as things like housing are expensive. The conservative government in Alberta is not much interested in handouts to the folks at the bottom. On 12/07/2014 11:37 AM, Scott Ritchey wrote: I wonder if Russians and citizens of their republics and satellites would agree with this? I would think that the more socialist the government, then the better it is for the poor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] (no subject)
Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com 11:52 AM (1 hour ago) to Mercedes Where's the Mercedes content here? Reply: Mercedes content is implied, rather than specific. As a Mercedes owner it is important that the free market trade which allows us to own one or more older Mercedes [or new ones if we choose] is dependent upon our personal financial well being. We own cars, we buy parts, we buy more parts, those parts are purchased from others who own the business of selling those parts, who in turn do business with those who make or import those parts. If the actions of government impact the above, I and others are concerned. We all have skin in the game that extends beyond just our Mercedes ownership, and the personal freedom that represents, however, that ownership is why we respectfully express our concerns here, however diverse they may be. Those concerns are both indirect and direct. ie. Higher taxes impacts companies that make parts, the direct cost to us, the end consumer of those parts, and as we have seen, ultimately, can cause that supply to end. While it may not seem immediately Mercedes, it none the less is ultimately Mercedes to us. Example: Higher road tax added to fuel rises the cost of Diesel, which equates to fewer miles driven for each of us. Less miles driven equals fewer parts worn, less parts sold. Result, overall, is those making or selling new parts cut back, or simply quit. Without belaboring this issue further, a healthy economy directly equates to our being able to enjoy keeping our almost antique Mercedes alive and healthy, and continuing to enjoy the use of them. While political commentary is less sexy than say, tires, or oil, and far less exacting as far as defining results, the concerns are equally valid as equates the further use and maintenance of our collective Mercedes. Respectfully. Grant... On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: Where's the Mercedes content here? On Jul 12, 2014 2:35 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: There is such a long list of successful socialist countries that have satisfied citizens and strong work ethics.. you can find it by looking at the immigration records of this country, you know they one where they all came to escape the forced labor camps, poverty, bad health care, military oppression, and outright murder of their fellow citizens and family.. Yep.. old people fair so much better where there is socialism They die early.. after being abandoned by anyone young and brave enough to leave. America was founded by a group of Homo Erectus that are rapidly devolving into the race of Homo Spineless, lacking the backbone to take responsibility for their own actions and depending on some Great Messiah to deliver them from their own habits of doing nothing themselves. It appears we have devolved from Get out of my way while I do it to What difference does it make, let government do it. Respectfully, your personal mileage may vary. Grant.. Who built it by the force of sweat and effort On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Mitchell Haley EA mi...@mitchellhaley.com wrote: Randy Bennell wrote: I would think that the more socialist the government, then the better it is for the poor. In the same way that the more people hand food to the bears, the better it is for the bears? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or
[MBZ] Cruisin'
'Mighty fine and comfortable cruise to Raleigh and back (~160 mi) today on the 28-year-old 124 with AC BLOWING ICE COLD. 'Not embarrassed at all to drive a 28-year-old car, either, in fact, I felt right proud of it.;) Wilt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Cruisin'
Attaboy. I feel that way too even though my 124 is only 24 years old. On Jul 12, 2014 5:14 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Mighty fine and comfortable cruise to Raleigh and back (~160 mi) today on the 28-year-old 124 with AC BLOWING ICE COLD. 'Not embarrassed at all to drive a 28-year-old car, either, in fact, I felt right proud of it.;) Wilt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] 500SEL
Going to go take a look at this car tomorrow if I can sort my schedule out: http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/4509129072.html Any ideas/suggestions as to what to look for as far as it starting but not staying running? Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Good Deal on a 240D
At least it looks good - only 105k? http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/4526712554.html Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 500SEL
I would presume he has CHANGED THE FILTERS or maybe the new fuel pump is buggered somehow, or injectors? Definitely sounds like a fuel delivery issue, as long as it is getting sparkies. In any case offer him $1k and haul it home. That looks like a really nice car. Could drop a 617 in there too... --R On 7/12/14 6:05 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Going to go take a look at this car tomorrow if I can sort my schedule out: http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/4509129072.html Any ideas/suggestions as to what to look for as far as it starting but not staying running? Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 500SEL
I would have to brush up on my CIS knowledge (this was a CIS engine, right?) Not sure why a filter would allow it to start but not run, unless it was just getting fuel from the priming solenoid (I can't recall the actual name of the part, you know what I mean.) It's about an hour away, so I would have to find a way to get it home. Anyone else want to chime in? Thanks, Rich. Dan On Jul 12, 2014, at 6:18 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I would presume he has CHANGED THE FILTERS or maybe the new fuel pump is buggered somehow, or injectors? Definitely sounds like a fuel delivery issue, as long as it is getting sparkies. In any case offer him $1k and haul it home. That looks like a really nice car. Could drop a 617 in there too... --R On 7/12/14 6:05 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Going to go take a look at this car tomorrow if I can sort my schedule out: http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/4509129072.html Any ideas/suggestions as to what to look for as far as it starting but not staying running? Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 500SEL
Go rent a truck and dolly for the day, probably wouldn't cost more than $100. Also check for spuds up the exhaust pipe (not that I would know anything about spuds in an exhaust pipe). --R On 7/12/14 6:21 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: It's about an hour away, so I would have to find a way to get it home. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 500SEL
A stuck metering flap will do that, so will a serious air leak (boot between air meter flap on the fuel distributor and the throttle body is one, and on that car, the seals between the upper and lower manifold parts). Could also be a dead alternator, sometimes the fuel pump relay kicks out if the alternator is bad. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 500SEL
Wild a.. gues. Fuel distributor EHA. Just helping a friend with that on. a 560sel that sat. Nice looking car. On Jul 12, 2014 6:05 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Going to go take a look at this car tomorrow if I can sort my schedule out: http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/4509129072.html Any ideas/suggestions as to what to look for as far as it starting but not staying running? Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Cruisin'
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 17:34:22 -0400 Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: Attaboy. I feel that way too even though my 124 is only 24 years old. On Jul 12, 2014 5:14 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Mighty fine and comfortable cruise to Raleigh and back (~160 mi) today on the 28-year-old 124 with AC BLOWING ICE COLD. 'Not embarrassed at all to drive a 28-year-old car, either, in fact, I felt right proud of it.;) Our 124 must be the junior on the block; it's only 19 years old. It did, however, transport us to Albuquerque and back twice in two days in fine, cool style (pun intended). Shirley had eye surgery at Lovelace hospital yesterday; today was a one-day follow-up exam in Santa Fe and then a jaunt down to Albuquerque again to retrieve her wallet from the McDonald's at which we had breakfast yesterday (someone turned it in, cash and all!). 203 miles today -- haven't figured out the mileage yet. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 500SEL
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 18:05:02 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Going to go take a look at this car tomorrow if I can sort my schedule out: http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/4509129072.html If you like gold, more power to you! Any ideas/suggestions as to what to look for as far as it starting but not staying running? If it has an old fashioned ignition, I would suggest the ballast resistor is open. (The ballast resistor is shorted in the crank position.) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] central locking system - '87 300SDL
Okay, that does sound like a likely source. Where do I find the timer relay and how much of a problem is replacing it? Thanks. Ralph On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: The switch turns off the lights at the lamp, the relay is still operating, as is the locking pump. The relay also operates the seat belt reminder lamps, which is why I suspect it's bad. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Cruisin'
The W124 is a nice highway car, but I like my brother' SDL better for long trips. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] central locking system - '87 300SDL
It's up by the steering column behind the lower drivers side dash cover. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Cruisin'
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 17:45:10 -0500 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: The W124 is a nice highway car, but I like my brother' SDL better for long trips. I have only had an opportunity to drive SDLs short distances and didn't like them. Perhaps being able to drive one on a long trip would change my opinion. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 500SEL
On the older cars, the starting circuit bypassed the coil resistor pack for brighter spark during cranking. Maybe the resistor is fried and, when rejoined into the circuit, causes spark to fail. If it only fires during cranking then that's a definite culprit... On 7/12/14, Dan Penoff wrote: Going to go take a look at this car tomorrow if I can sort my schedule out: http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/4509129072.html Any ideas/suggestions as to what to look for as far as it starting but not staying running? Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 500SEL
I have had a couple champagne colored MBs. Didn't start out liking them, but the color sort of grew on me. I like the ballast resistor possibility, but I don't know if it runs then dies, ,or dies as soon as the key is released. That would be a giveaway. Anyone know where the ballast resistor would be located on this car? I never had a W126 vergasser (at least not for long) so I'm not familiar with where it would be. I have a good idea what it looks like, as I've seen them on plenty of other models... Thanks! Dan On Jul 12, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 18:05:02 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Going to go take a look at this car tomorrow if I can sort my schedule out: http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/4509129072.html If you like gold, more power to you! Any ideas/suggestions as to what to look for as far as it starting but not staying running? If it has an old fashioned ignition, I would suggest the ballast resistor is open. (The ballast resistor is shorted in the crank position.) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 500SEL
Well, so much for that. Just checked the manual and it looks like the 5 litre cars after about 1981 don't have the resistors; they have something else instead in the controller. Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:00:47 -0700 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com From: David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca Subject: Re: [MBZ] 500SEL Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com On the older cars, the starting circuit bypassed the coil resistor pack for brighter spark during cranking. Maybe the resistor is fried and, when rejoined into the circuit, causes spark to fail. If it only fires during cranking then that's a definite culprit... On 7/12/14, Dan Penoff wrote: Going to go take a look at this car tomorrow if I can sort my schedule out: http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/4509129072.html Any ideas/suggestions as to what to look for as far as it starting but not staying running? Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 500SEL
Probably bad warm up regulator Sent from my iPhone On Jul 12, 2014, at 5:21 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I would have to brush up on my CIS knowledge (this was a CIS engine, right?) Not sure why a filter would allow it to start but not run, unless it was just getting fuel from the priming solenoid (I can't recall the actual name of the part, you know what I mean.) It's about an hour away, so I would have to find a way to get it home. Anyone else want to chime in? Thanks, Rich. Dan On Jul 12, 2014, at 6:18 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I would presume he has CHANGED THE FILTERS or maybe the new fuel pump is buggered somehow, or injectors? Definitely sounds like a fuel delivery issue, as long as it is getting sparkies. In any case offer him $1k and haul it home. That looks like a really nice car. Could drop a 617 in there too... --R On 7/12/14 6:05 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Going to go take a look at this car tomorrow if I can sort my schedule out: http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/4509129072.html Any ideas/suggestions as to what to look for as far as it starting but not staying running? Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 500SEL
was there a carFax? LarryT On 7/12/2014 6:05 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Going to go take a look at this car tomorrow if I can sort my schedule out: http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/4509129072.html Any ideas/suggestions as to what to look for as far as it starting but not staying running? Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Cruisin'
Nothing beats an SDL for cruisin'. Wilt - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cruisin' The W124 is a nice highway car, but I like my brother' SDL better for long trips. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 500SEL
Well we have a contest going here of possible causes. Hopefully Dan will be able to tell us next week On Jul 12, 2014 7:11 PM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: Well, so much for that. Just checked the manual and it looks like the 5 litre cars after about 1981 don't have the resistors; they have something else instead in the controller. Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:00:47 -0700 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com From: David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca Subject: Re: [MBZ] 500SEL Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com On the older cars, the starting circuit bypassed the coil resistor pack for brighter spark during cranking. Maybe the resistor is fried and, when rejoined into the circuit, causes spark to fail. If it only fires during cranking then that's a definite culprit... On 7/12/14, Dan Penoff wrote: Going to go take a look at this car tomorrow if I can sort my schedule out: http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/4509129072.html Any ideas/suggestions as to what to look for as far as it starting but not staying running? Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Similar Note - my 91 300D runing warmer -- **Was** Hot under the collar
Hi Peter - Once the engine was fully warmed I had my turn it off while I watched as you suggested - the fan stopped turning very quickly - hard to say f it was within a rpm or not but close At least it's not obviously bad right? There's a car like mine at our local junk yard - if I can get there soon (and avoid this heat) I'll pull it and give it a try... see if it makes any difference... I assume I will feel lots of heat being blown back across the engine if the fan is working properly? next? LarryT On 7/11/2014 11:44 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: The fan must be stiff when cold and spin at engine speed when started, then immediately slow down. It must also pull with significant air flow at idle with the engine hot enough to engage it (about 85 C I think). Also, when hot, it must stop immediately when shutting off, and this is the easiest test. When the temp is high enough to kick on the aux fans, the engine driven fan must stop with less than a full rotation when the engine is stopped. If it turns more than that, there is no longer any oil in the clutch and it must be replaced. Your symptoms are exactly that of a bad fan clutch. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Cruisin'
Nothing beats any W126 for cruising. I did a 4 day cross-country trip in my 300SD. One of the best road trips I ever took. Dan On Jul 12, 2014, at 7:25 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Nothing beats an SDL for cruisin'. Wilt - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cruisin' The W124 is a nice highway car, but I like my brother' SDL better for long trips. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 500SEL
Closer to $150 depending on how you can work the rental company. At least that's about what it ran me last year to get my 240d home. Curt Sent from my iPhone On Jul 12, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Go rent a truck and dolly for the day, probably wouldn't cost more than $100. Also check for spuds up the exhaust pipe (not that I would know anything about spuds in an exhaust pipe). --R On 7/12/14 6:21 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: It's about an hour away, so I would have to find a way to get it home. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] 124 AC woe
Today I've re-charged the AC in my '95 E300 Diesel in order to have some decent cooling for the rest of the season. I added about 2 oz of PAG46 compressor oil and about 12 oz of R-134, and the pressure gauges didn't quite show a full charge (21 Bar on the high side, a little of 2 bar on the low side, at about 25 deg C ambient). The vent temperature was really nice, it would pull down to 0 deg F. I had a lot of trouble with the serpentine belt slipping, tried cleaning the cheapo Gates belt (from Napa a while back), tried an old belt from my wagon (too big, also slipped), finally I mounted the brand new Conti belt I had in the correct size, which I'd been saving to use after I re-seal or replace the leaking power steering pump. The pump is not leaking now, I've let the hydraulic fluid reservoir for the ASD get low. So finally I put on the new belt, I was very happy with the vent temperatures, but then the compressor started cutting out for no apparent reason. The belt was not slipping that I could detect. Took a test drive, while on the road with no stop/start, the compressor seems to run fine and then cut out. I suspect the evaporator temperature is getting too cold, so the PBU is shutting off the compressor. If I shut off the car and restart, the compressor will engage again. Anyone have a suggestion? Thanks, Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Cruisin'
I feel the same way about my 57 year old Cessna (even though it needs a paint job). On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 4:13 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Mighty fine and comfortable cruise to Raleigh and back (~160 mi) today on the 28-year-old 124 with AC BLOWING ICE COLD. 'Not embarrassed at all to drive a 28-year-old car, either, in fact, I felt right proud of it.;) Wilt -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Similar Note - my 91 300D runing warmer -- **Was** Hot under the collar
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 19:26:30 -0400 LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: I assume I will feel lots of heat being blown back across the engine if the fan is working properly? Yes, indeed. On our trip to Albuquerque and back today, I could hear the whine of the fan when the clutch connected and then hear it stop when the clutch disconnected. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 124 AC woe
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 19:47:06 -0400 Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have a suggestion? Wait for a hotter day? Don't run the temperature dial so low? Change the resistor that determines how cold things can get? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 124 AC woe
It should not be dropping down to 0, I would think more in the upper 30s would be what temp it should run at the vents Sent from my iPhone On Jul 12, 2014, at 6:47 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Today I've re-charged the AC in my '95 E300 Diesel in order to have some decent cooling for the rest of the season. I added about 2 oz of PAG46 compressor oil and about 12 oz of R-134, and the pressure gauges didn't quite show a full charge (21 Bar on the high side, a little of 2 bar on the low side, at about 25 deg C ambient). The vent temperature was really nice, it would pull down to 0 deg F. I had a lot of trouble with the serpentine belt slipping, tried cleaning the cheapo Gates belt (from Napa a while back), tried an old belt from my wagon (too big, also slipped), finally I mounted the brand new Conti belt I had in the correct size, which I'd been saving to use after I re-seal or replace the leaking power steering pump. The pump is not leaking now, I've let the hydraulic fluid reservoir for the ASD get low. So finally I put on the new belt, I was very happy with the vent temperatures, but then the compressor started cutting out for no apparent reason. The belt was not slipping that I could detect. Took a test drive, while on the road with no stop/start, the compressor seems to run fine and then cut out. I suspect the evaporator temperature is getting too cold, so the PBU is shutting off the compressor. If I shut off the car and restart, the compressor will engage again. Anyone have a suggestion? Thanks, Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 124 AC woe
Yeah, that's way too cold. If the evaporator is freezing up, which it almost has to be to get duct outlet temps at 0F, the low temperature switch/sensor would be making the compressor cut out. One trick I used to do on W126 cars was to remove the low temperature switch and recalibrate it to about 35F to get the lowest possible evaporator temperatures without freezing it up. Stock from the factory they usually opened up around 40F. That extra 5 degrees would make a difference in this climate. Dan On Jul 12, 2014, at 9:09 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: It should not be dropping down to 0, I would think more in the upper 30s would be what temp it should run at the vents Sent from my iPhone On Jul 12, 2014, at 6:47 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Today I've re-charged the AC in my '95 E300 Diesel in order to have some decent cooling for the rest of the season. I added about 2 oz of PAG46 compressor oil and about 12 oz of R-134, and the pressure gauges didn't quite show a full charge (21 Bar on the high side, a little of 2 bar on the low side, at about 25 deg C ambient). The vent temperature was really nice, it would pull down to 0 deg F. I had a lot of trouble with the serpentine belt slipping, tried cleaning the cheapo Gates belt (from Napa a while back), tried an old belt from my wagon (too big, also slipped), finally I mounted the brand new Conti belt I had in the correct size, which I'd been saving to use after I re-seal or replace the leaking power steering pump. The pump is not leaking now, I've let the hydraulic fluid reservoir for the ASD get low. So finally I put on the new belt, I was very happy with the vent temperatures, but then the compressor started cutting out for no apparent reason. The belt was not slipping that I could detect. Took a test drive, while on the road with no stop/start, the compressor seems to run fine and then cut out. I suspect the evaporator temperature is getting too cold, so the PBU is shutting off the compressor. If I shut off the car and restart, the compressor will engage again. Anyone have a suggestion? Thanks, Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 124 AC woe
I believe it's the same setup on a W124 - a capillary tube that is inserted into the evaporator fins from outside the box, with a mechanical switch that opens and closes based on the temperature of the capillary bulb? https://www.dropbox.com/s/ef3nr80azddqyhs/MVC-016S.jpg https://www.dropbox.com/s/x3wb7k4f82l9fe3/MVC-019S.jpg This is what it looks like on a W123. Dan On Jul 12, 2014, at 9:14 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Yeah, that's way too cold. If the evaporator is freezing up, which it almost has to be to get duct outlet temps at 0F, the low temperature switch/sensor would be making the compressor cut out. One trick I used to do on W126 cars was to remove the low temperature switch and recalibrate it to about 35F to get the lowest possible evaporator temperatures without freezing it up. Stock from the factory they usually opened up around 40F. That extra 5 degrees would make a difference in this climate. Dan On Jul 12, 2014, at 9:09 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: It should not be dropping down to 0, I would think more in the upper 30s would be what temp it should run at the vents Sent from my iPhone On Jul 12, 2014, at 6:47 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Today I've re-charged the AC in my '95 E300 Diesel in order to have some decent cooling for the rest of the season. I added about 2 oz of PAG46 compressor oil and about 12 oz of R-134, and the pressure gauges didn't quite show a full charge (21 Bar on the high side, a little of 2 bar on the low side, at about 25 deg C ambient). The vent temperature was really nice, it would pull down to 0 deg F. I had a lot of trouble with the serpentine belt slipping, tried cleaning the cheapo Gates belt (from Napa a while back), tried an old belt from my wagon (too big, also slipped), finally I mounted the brand new Conti belt I had in the correct size, which I'd been saving to use after I re-seal or replace the leaking power steering pump. The pump is not leaking now, I've let the hydraulic fluid reservoir for the ASD get low. So finally I put on the new belt, I was very happy with the vent temperatures, but then the compressor started cutting out for no apparent reason. The belt was not slipping that I could detect. Took a test drive, while on the road with no stop/start, the compressor seems to run fine and then cut out. I suspect the evaporator temperature is getting too cold, so the PBU is shutting off the compressor. If I shut off the car and restart, the compressor will engage again. Anyone have a suggestion? Thanks, Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Similar Note - my 91 300D runing warmer -- **Was** Hot under the collar
should be lots of hot air blowing back. Check for a cold spot in the radiator in front of the fan, that's where they crap up first. Also check for junk and or oil on the radiator fins or between radiator and evaporator. The engine temp on the TE dropped dramatically when I put a new condenser in it last year. You can't see through the old one for all the junk stuck to the fins. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Cruisin'
'Zackly. Wilt - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cruisin' Nothing beats any W126 for cruising. I did a 4 day cross-country trip in my 300SD. One of the best road trips I ever took. Dan On Jul 12, 2014, at 7:25 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Nothing beats an SDL for cruisin'. Wilt - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cruisin' The W124 is a nice highway car, but I like my brother' SDL better for long trips. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 124 AC woe
W124 has a thermistor just in behind the evaporator that senses the temp. Will cycle the compressor to prevent freeze-up. However, if the expansion valve is bad, it will seriously overcool, and then the computer will not turn the compressor back on until the evaporator thaws out, which takes a while with no airflow. The temperature of the return line to the compressor should be 35 to 38F, whatever pressure that is on an R134a system. You can test the expansion valve with some very cold ice (dry ice works best, but it's hard to find and dangerous. Use a cube straight from the freezer). With the system up and going, put the ice on the bellows of the expansion valve (the do-dad on top). This should close the expansion valve and drop the pressure in the return line to near vaccum (which is why dry ice works better, it's way to cold -- ice won't go below 32F and you need it colder). If it doesn't drop, the expansion valve is stuck open and it will seriously over-cool the evaporator. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Cruisin'
That 300 SDL eats up the miles, and is the most comfortable car to drive or ride for long distances I've ever been in. Beats a Caddy six ways to Sunday! I'm going to buy my brother's if he ever wants to get rid of it. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] (no subject)
In Japan (at least when I was there last) taxes on cars increased with age to the point regular folks couldn't afford the tax on an old car. But it was a good deal for GIs with cars on base who didn't have to pay the tax. Of course they could only sell the old car to another GI or a recycler. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G Mann Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 4:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] (no subject) Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com 11:52 AM (1 hour ago) to Mercedes Where's the Mercedes content here? Reply: Mercedes content is implied, rather than specific. As a Mercedes owner it is important that the free market trade which allows us to own one or more older Mercedes [or new ones if we choose] is dependent upon our personal financial well being. We own cars, we buy parts, we buy more parts, those parts are purchased from others who own the business of selling those parts, who in turn do business with those who make or import those parts. If the actions of government impact the above, I and others are concerned. We all have skin in the game that extends beyond just our Mercedes ownership, and the personal freedom that represents, however, that ownership is why we respectfully express our concerns here, however diverse they may be. Those concerns are both indirect and direct. ie. Higher taxes impacts companies that make parts, the direct cost to us, the end consumer of those parts, and as we have seen, ultimately, can cause that supply to end. While it may not seem immediately Mercedes, it none the less is ultimately Mercedes to us. Example: Higher road tax added to fuel rises the cost of Diesel, which equates to fewer miles driven for each of us. Less miles driven equals fewer parts worn, less parts sold. Result, overall, is those making or selling new parts cut back, or simply quit. Without belaboring this issue further, a healthy economy directly equates to our being able to enjoy keeping our almost antique Mercedes alive and healthy, and continuing to enjoy the use of them. While political commentary is less sexy than say, tires, or oil, and far less exacting as far as defining results, the concerns are equally valid as equates the further use and maintenance of our collective Mercedes. Respectfully. Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
