Re: [MBZ] New phone

2014-07-15 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 20:05:50 -0500 Mountain Man via Mercedes
 wrote:

> mao wrote:
> > ...I just wanna see if my response comes "...via Mercedes..."
> >
> 
> Nope.
> I wanna see the big bold "via Mercedes..."
> How come I caint?

I don't know how come you canit, but it certainly appeared on both of
your postings from what I saw (see quotation line above).


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Here's one for Fred!

2014-07-15 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
Dan, Dwight, Curt et al.What part of "No budget and nowhere to put it" don't 
you understand?Thanks for thinking of me.I lust in my heart for many and varied 
Benz machines.I did buy a lottery ticket tonight.

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 20:00:13 -0400
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: [MBZ] Here's one for Fred!
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> 
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2080826-sale-1984-mercedes-300d.html#post9463954
> 
> Right in the neighborhood, too!
> 
> Dan
  
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[MBZ] OT: Another Fkying Tale

2014-07-15 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

More on this story:

"..A passenger reported the takeoff appeared normal initially until 
the aircraft began to rotate, the nose lifted up, however, nothing 
happened. The nose dropped again, then rose very sharply perhaps because 
of the runway end becoming visible. A sound of impact was heard from the 
back of the cabin followed by scratching sounds, that lasted for about 5 
seconds, then the aircraft began to climb. During the initial climb the 
aircraft was shaking, the right wing dropped which the passenger, 
frequent traveller, perceived as unusual. The aircraft continued to 
climb heading north out of the Madrid area, no announcements were 
made...snip


http://www.aeroinside.com/item/2336/aeromexico-b762-at-madrid-on-apr-16th-2013-tail-strike-on-takeoff

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/major/36912-any-latest-greatest-about-delta-12858.html

Gerry



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Re: [MBZ] How come?

2014-07-15 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Curt wrote:
> Blame the spammers. As with anything it doesn't take many bad apples.
>

I think goverment-mail (gmail) should hire a few spammers for their
ingenuity and inventions which create the need for complicating email.
The spammers can figure it out quicker and better than the 6-figure
desk jockeys in their fat pension laden palo-alto estate offices.
Fatwallets merely breeds greater espousal of top-down management that
is devoid of all things except for fear of liability attack.  We
really are upside down in my opnion.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] How come?

2014-07-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Blame the spammers. As with anything it doesn't take many bad apples.



 From: Mountain Man via Mercedes 
To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] How come?
 

Curt wrote:
> I think your email reader was editing that part out. Try this one, I took you 
> out of the to: line for the reply.
>

That's it.
I guess that is part of the *new* *banned* okiebenz fix.
Too bad there is sooo much confusion necessary to merely communicate
via old style email these days.  Better? - not so much.



mao

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Re: [MBZ] How come?

2014-07-15 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Curt wrote:
> I think your email reader was editing that part out. Try this one, I took you 
> out of the to: line for the reply.
>

That's it.
I guess that is part of the *new* *banned* okiebenz fix.
Too bad there is sooo much confusion necessary to merely communicate
via old style email these days.  Better? - not so much.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] How come?

2014-07-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I think your email reader was editing that part out. Try this one, I took you 
out of the to: line for the reply.

Curt



 From: Mountain Man via Mercedes 
To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] How come?
 

Curt wrote:
> See below...
>
> 
> From: Mountain Man via Mercedes
>

Thanks.
I always thought that email distributed to my mbz folder came from
okiebenz, and indeed maybe it does.  In which case it seems that even
my emails coming to my mbz folder should also show "...via
Mercedes..."
Your response does not show as ..."Curt via Mercedes..." which also is
strange, unless... I am receiving email from Curt as well as Mercedes.
It is merely a consistency of format that I comment about.
Back to our normal everyday mercedeslist banter...



mao

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Re: [MBZ] How come?

2014-07-15 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Curt wrote:
> See below...
>
> 
> From: Mountain Man via Mercedes
>

Thanks.
I always thought that email distributed to my mbz folder came from
okiebenz, and indeed maybe it does.  In which case it seems that even
my emails coming to my mbz folder should also show "...via
Mercedes..."
Your response does not show as ..."Curt via Mercedes..." which also is
strange, unless... I am receiving email from Curt as well as Mercedes.
It is merely a consistency of format that I comment about.
Back to our normal everyday mercedeslist banter...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] How come?

2014-07-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
See below...



 From: Mountain Man via Mercedes 
To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 9:07 PM
Subject: [MBZ] How come?
 

How come I can't get my messages to all appear with "...via
Mercedes..." like every other message I get?
I feel dejected, left out, disenfranchised.
mao

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[MBZ] How come?

2014-07-15 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
How come I can't get my messages to all appear with "...via
Mercedes..." like every other message I get?
I feel dejected, left out, disenfranchised.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] New phone

2014-07-15 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
mao wrote:
> ...I just wanna see if my response comes "...via Mercedes..."
>

Nope.
I wanna see the big bold "via Mercedes..."
How come I caint?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Here's one for Fred!

2014-07-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Dwight's neighborhood. Fred lives north of Boston.

-Curt



 From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 8:00 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Here's one for Fred!
 

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2080826-sale-1984-mercedes-300d.html#post9463954

Right in the neighborhood, too!

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] New phone

2014-07-15 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Kaleb wrote:
> This one is the 5c

...I just wanna see if my response comes "...via Mercedes..."
mao

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[MBZ] 420SEL

2014-07-15 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Who wanted a 420?  Ad in paper:
1987 $1500 runs good  must sell 843-442-5573

--R (sent from my miniPad)


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Re: [MBZ] Here's one for Fred!

2014-07-15 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
That might be near me. 401 is RI area code. I can check out.
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2080826-sale-1984-mercedes-300d.html#post9463954

Right in the neighborhood, too!

Dan
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[MBZ] Here's one for Fred!

2014-07-15 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2080826-sale-1984-mercedes-300d.html#post9463954

Right in the neighborhood, too!

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] New phone

2014-07-15 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Roll up some tape, put bits on a white paper where you can write down 
which screw it is then put the screw on the tape.  Holds it til its 
needed and you have the record of what goes where.


--R


On 7/15/14 5:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

The nice thing about a paper towel is the texture, it kept everything in place 
as long as I didn't bump it too much.

-Curt



  From: Mitch Haley 
To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 

Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New phone
  



It was a simple 25 minute job that took me just over two hours too.
I can take the back off and swap batteries in a minute or two, but it takes some
work to get to the screen.

I saw some printed magnets being sold on eBay for screw organization, I printed
the image from the ad on plain paper and was careful not to disturb the table it
was on when I put the screws on it. Made me wish I had a magnetic bumper sticker
handy, I would have put it under the paper.

Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another Fkying Tale

2014-07-15 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
The 727 was sensitive to CG on the ground, but it was never fueling that caused 
any of that.  It was mostly loading passengers with nothing in the cargo bins.  
That was why Delta had a policy of leaving the aft stairs down until loading 
was almost complete.

As far as 757-767’s go, it about 2-2.5 degrees/second that gets you exactly 
where you want to be.  Good tail clearance, clean liftoff, and good rate-of 
climb.

Best,

Jon


On Jul 15, 2014, at 2:41 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
wrote:

> Actually, initially, it is rotating about the wheel or bogey axles, more or 
> less, to get the nose up to generate more angle of attack and more lift.  
> This guy rotated it a bit much before the wheels got off the ground, or maybe 
> shortly after.
> 
> The old 727s would slowly do that on the ground if the plane was being 
> refueled and the guy who was supposed to be opening and closing various tank 
> valves left the aft tank valve open and closed the others.  Not that I would 
> directly know anything about that...
> 
> --R
> 
> 
> On 7/15/14 2:34 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>> "Rotating for takeoff" refers to the airplane "rotating" at the center of
>> lift, which at takeoff will be the approximate centerline of the wings,
>> ie.. nose up, tail down, to increase the angle of attack of the wings,
>> generate greater lift, and defeat gravity temporarily, also known as
>> "flight".
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another Fkying Tale

2014-07-15 Thread Fmiser via Mercedes
> > > > Scott Ritchey wrote:
> > > >
> > > > An Aeromexico Boeing 767-200, ... was rotating for takeoff
> > > > from Madrid's runway 36L when the tail of the aircraft
> > > > contacted the runway surface leaving debris behind.
> >
> > > Jon wrote:
> > >
> > > Holy Batman!  I’ve been flying 757-767’s for 8 years now, and
> > > have never seen anything like that.  I can’t believe they
> > > didn’t feel it.

> > Fmiser wrote:
> >
> > Isn't "rotating for takeoff" just turning around at the end of
> > the runway?  How did they get the tail to hit the runway?  Doing
> > wheelies? (I know, only possible with the thrust axis below the
> > center of gravity)  Or is the runway have a big hill right
> > there?

> G wrote:
> 
> "Rotating for takeoff" refers to the airplane "rotating" at the
> center of lift, which at takeoff will be the approximate
> centerline of the wings, ie.. nose up, tail down, to increase the
> angle of attack of the wings, generate greater lift, 

Got it.  Thanks Grant.  I'm familiar with the action, and certainly
seen it many times, but I didn't know the term.  I'd better be
careful - too much more of this and I'll be smart! *grin*  

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Re: [MBZ] New phone

2014-07-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
The nice thing about a paper towel is the texture, it kept everything in place 
as long as I didn't bump it too much.

-Curt



 From: Mitch Haley 
To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New phone
 


It was a simple 25 minute job that took me just over two hours too.
I can take the back off and swap batteries in a minute or two, but it takes 
some 
work to get to the screen.

I saw some printed magnets being sold on eBay for screw organization, I printed 
the image from the ad on plain paper and was careful not to disturb the table 
it 
was on when I put the screws on it. Made me wish I had a magnetic bumper 
sticker 
handy, I would have put it under the paper.

Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] New phone

2014-07-15 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 15/07/2014 3:35 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
The replacement screens on Amazon for $25 are pretty good. It took me 
maybe 2 hours to do the replacement. One piece of advice is to be 
ABSOLUTELY sure you keep the screws organized. There are several 
different sizes that are impossible to tell apart. I used a paper 
towel and wrote each size on it as I pulled them out.
The tool kits you get are cheapo junk, I have a big jewelers 
screwdriver set and it did everything I needed.


It was a simple 25 minute job that took me just over two hours too.
I can take the back off and swap batteries in a minute or two, but it 
takes some work to get to the screen.


I saw some printed magnets being sold on eBay for screw organization, 
I printed the image from the ad on plain paper and was careful not to 
disturb the table it was on when I put the screws on it. Made me wish 
I had a magnetic bumper sticker handy, I would have put it under the 
paper.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Today's CL Find

2014-07-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I think all the manual trans cars had non-turbo engines. I the right hand drive 
cars are the same.

-Curt



 From: MG via Mercedes 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Today's CL Find
 

Did the 83 euro 300d have a non turbo engine in them?

Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 18:34:15 -0700
From: Curt Raymond 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Today's CL Find


O the temptation...

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Today's CL Find

2014-07-15 Thread MG via Mercedes

Did the 83 euro 300d have a non turbo engine in them?

Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 18:34:15 -0700
From: Curt Raymond 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Today's CL Find


O the temptation...

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] New phone

2014-07-15 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

The replacement screens on Amazon for $25 are pretty good. It took me maybe 2 
hours to do the replacement. One piece of advice is to be ABSOLUTELY sure you 
keep the screws organized. There are several different sizes that are 
impossible to tell apart. I used a paper towel and wrote each size on it as I 
pulled them out.
The tool kits you get are cheapo junk, I have a big jewelers screwdriver set 
and it did everything I needed.


It was a simple 25 minute job that took me just over two hours too.
I can take the back off and swap batteries in a minute or two, but it takes some 
work to get to the screen.


I saw some printed magnets being sold on eBay for screw organization, I printed 
the image from the ad on plain paper and was careful not to disturb the table it 
was on when I put the screws on it. Made me wish I had a magnetic bumper sticker 
handy, I would have put it under the paper.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Curts new Pickup

2014-07-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Its just some web-aggregator, here's a link to the video in question: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaNk116b2kw

-Curt



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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Curts new Pickup
 

On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 11:08:10 -0400 archer75--- via Mercedes
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> 
> > http://www.ba-bamail.com/Content.aspx?emailid=11154&memberid=864102#.U8U9DPldW_Q

What's this Gerry?

Did you really send it, or is it a product of a virus?


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] New phone

2014-07-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
The replacement screens on Amazon for $25 are pretty good. It took me maybe 2 
hours to do the replacement. One piece of advice is to be ABSOLUTELY sure you 
keep the screws organized. There are several different sizes that are 
impossible to tell apart. I used a paper towel and wrote each size on it as I 
pulled them out.
The tool kits you get are cheapo junk, I have a big jewelers screwdriver set 
and it did everything I needed.

-Curt



 From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
To: Dan Penoff ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New phone
 

I cracked my screen already. Bummer. I treat it no differently than my 4, and 
have it in the same case.  I had my 4 for over three years and it looks like 
new.

Not sure how to interpret this or just chalk it up as an anomaly.  Battery life 
is definitely poorer with exactly the same settings as my 4, and it's three 
years old with the original battery.

MacDan

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 15, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The 4 is much better than the 4S in this regard.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 4 or 4s? She says the 4 is much better than the 4s. Another friend had a 4s 
>> and went back to a 4.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Randy Bennell 
>> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>>  
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 11:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] New phone
>> 
>> 
>> On 14/07/2014 8:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> I can't imaging living on 3G... I've also been told the 4s has really bad 
>>> battery life. If I don't use it much my iPhone 5 will go 2 days between 
>>> recharges, a friend says her 4s needs charging every 12 hours.
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> She has a whole lot of stuff running in the background. She needs to 
>> turn most of it off.
>> My iPhone 4 lasts for days without charging.
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[MBZ] PWR/SLS Pump

2014-07-15 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MERCEDES-124-BODY-SELF-LEVELIN-P-STEERING-PUMP-300-E-CE-TE-2-6-124-460-1580-/151139888558?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2330a3adae&vxp=mtr

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another Fkying Tale

2014-07-15 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Actually, initially, it is rotating about the wheel or bogey axles, more 
or less, to get the nose up to generate more angle of attack and more 
lift.  This guy rotated it a bit much before the wheels got off the 
ground, or maybe shortly after.


The old 727s would slowly do that on the ground if the plane was being 
refueled and the guy who was supposed to be opening and closing various 
tank valves left the aft tank valve open and closed the others.  Not 
that I would directly know anything about that...


--R


On 7/15/14 2:34 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

"Rotating for takeoff" refers to the airplane "rotating" at the center of
lift, which at takeoff will be the approximate centerline of the wings,
ie.. nose up, tail down, to increase the angle of attack of the wings,
generate greater lift, and defeat gravity temporarily, also known as
"flight".



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another Fkying Tale

2014-07-15 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
"Rotating for takeoff" refers to the airplane "rotating" at the center of
lift, which at takeoff will be the approximate centerline of the wings,
ie.. nose up, tail down, to increase the angle of attack of the wings,
generate greater lift, and defeat gravity temporarily, also known as
"flight".

Large, Heavy, Airline size aircraft have "takeoff rotation angle limits"
which, if followed by the ever attentive flight deck crew, prevent the tail
from striking the ground from to high deck angle... It is possible to
"rotate" the aircraft with such force it will break the tail off, or in a
couple cases.. the entire back portion of the aircraft... Ooops..

It's called "Major structural damage" and requires the airplane to be put
out of service for long period or in some cases.. scrapped.  In any case..
your next job application is at the unemployment office.


On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

> > > Scott Ritchey wrote:
> > >
> > > An Aeromexico Boeing 767-200, ... was rotating for takeoff from
> > > Madrid's runway 36L when the tail of the aircraft contacted the
> > > runway surface leaving debris behind.
>
> > Jon wrote:
> >
> > Holy Batman!  I’ve been flying 757-767’s for 8 years now, and
> > have never seen anything like that.  I can’t believe they didn’t
> > feel it.
>
> Isn't "rotating for takeoff" just turning around at the end of the
> runway?  How did they get the tail to hit the runway?  Doing
> wheelies? (I know, only possible with the thrust axis below the
> center of gravity)  Or is the runway have a big hill right there?
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another Fkying Tale

2014-07-15 Thread Fmiser via Mercedes
> > Scott Ritchey wrote:
> >
> > An Aeromexico Boeing 767-200, ... was rotating for takeoff from
> > Madrid's runway 36L when the tail of the aircraft contacted the
> > runway surface leaving debris behind. 

> Jon wrote:
> 
> Holy Batman!  I’ve been flying 757-767’s for 8 years now, and
> have never seen anything like that.  I can’t believe they didn’t
> feel it. 

Isn't "rotating for takeoff" just turning around at the end of the
runway?  How did they get the tail to hit the runway?  Doing
wheelies? (I know, only possible with the thrust axis below the
center of gravity)  Or is the runway have a big hill right there?

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Re: [MBZ] New phone

2014-07-15 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I love my LG Optimus android phone.  Easy to use, great video and sound,
and takes awesome photos.


On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:05 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have a 3G.  Is that a  good one or a bad one?
> Gerry
>
> On 7/15/2014 1:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Mine was a 4 and it sucked, it was not near as good as my 3GS
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>  On Jul 15, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The 4 is much better than the 4S in this regard.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>  On Jul 15, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

 4 or 4s? She says the 4 is much better than the 4s. Another friend had
 a 4s and went back to a 4.

 -Curt


 
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 mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 11:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] New phone


 On 14/07/2014 8:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:



  I can't imaging living on 3G... I've also been told the 4s has really
> bad battery life. If I don't use it much my iPhone 5 will go 2 days 
> between
> recharges, a friend says her 4s needs charging every 12 hours.
>
> -Curt
>
>
> 
>
 She has a whole lot of stuff running in the background. She needs to
 turn most of it off.
 My iPhone 4 lasts for days without charging.
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Re: [MBZ] New phone

2014-07-15 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

I have a 3G.  Is that a  good one or a bad one?
Gerry

On 7/15/2014 1:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Mine was a 4 and it sucked, it was not near as good as my 3GS

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 15, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

The 4 is much better than the 4S in this regard.

Dan

Sent from my iPad


On Jul 15, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
wrote:

4 or 4s? She says the 4 is much better than the 4s. Another friend had a 4s and 
went back to a 4.

-Curt



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To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 

Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New phone


On 14/07/2014 8:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:




I can't imaging living on 3G... I've also been told the 4s has really bad 
battery life. If I don't use it much my iPhone 5 will go 2 days between 
recharges, a friend says her 4s needs charging every 12 hours.

-Curt




She has a whole lot of stuff running in the background. She needs to
turn most of it off.
My iPhone 4 lasts for days without charging.
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Re: [MBZ] New phone

2014-07-15 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I cracked my screen already. Bummer. I treat it no differently than my 4, and 
have it in the same case.  I had my 4 for over three years and it looks like 
new.

Not sure how to interpret this or just chalk it up as an anomaly.  Battery life 
is definitely poorer with exactly the same settings as my 4, and it's three 
years old with the original battery.

MacDan

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 15, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The 4 is much better than the 4S in this regard.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 4 or 4s? She says the 4 is much better than the 4s. Another friend had a 4s 
>> and went back to a 4.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Randy Bennell 
>> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>>  
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 11:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] New phone
>> 
>> 
>> On 14/07/2014 8:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> I can't imaging living on 3G... I've also been told the 4s has really bad 
>>> battery life. If I don't use it much my iPhone 5 will go 2 days between 
>>> recharges, a friend says her 4s needs charging every 12 hours.
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> She has a whole lot of stuff running in the background. She needs to 
>> turn most of it off.
>> My iPhone 4 lasts for days without charging.
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Re: [MBZ] New phone

2014-07-15 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Mine was a 4 and it sucked, it was not near as good as my 3GS 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 15, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The 4 is much better than the 4S in this regard.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 4 or 4s? She says the 4 is much better than the 4s. Another friend had a 4s 
>> and went back to a 4.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Randy Bennell 
>> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>>  
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 11:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] New phone
>> 
>> 
>> On 14/07/2014 8:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> I can't imaging living on 3G... I've also been told the 4s has really bad 
>>> battery life. If I don't use it much my iPhone 5 will go 2 days between 
>>> recharges, a friend says her 4s needs charging every 12 hours.
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> She has a whole lot of stuff running in the background. She needs to 
>> turn most of it off.
>> My iPhone 4 lasts for days without charging.
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Re: [MBZ] New phone

2014-07-15 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
The 4 is much better than the 4S in this regard.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 15, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 4 or 4s? She says the 4 is much better than the 4s. Another friend had a 4s 
> and went back to a 4.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> 
> From: Randy Bennell 
> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>  
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 11:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] New phone
> 
> 
> On 14/07/2014 8:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> I can't imaging living on 3G... I've also been told the 4s has really bad 
>> battery life. If I don't use it much my iPhone 5 will go 2 days between 
>> recharges, a friend says her 4s needs charging every 12 hours.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> 
> She has a whole lot of stuff running in the background. She needs to 
> turn most of it off.
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Re: [MBZ] Curts new Pickup

2014-07-15 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 11:08:10 -0400 archer75--- via Mercedes
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> 
> > http://www.ba-bamail.com/Content.aspx?emailid=11154&memberid=864102#.U8U9DPldW_Q

What's this Gerry?

Did you really send it, or is it a product of a virus?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] New phone

2014-07-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
4 or 4s? She says the 4 is much better than the 4s. Another friend had a 4s and 
went back to a 4.

-Curt



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To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New phone
 

On 14/07/2014 8:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:



> I can't imaging living on 3G... I've also been told the 4s has really bad 
> battery life. If I don't use it much my iPhone 5 will go 2 days between 
> recharges, a friend says her 4s needs charging every 12 hours.
>
> -Curt
>
>
> 
>
She has a whole lot of stuff running in the background. She needs to 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another Fkying Tale

2014-07-15 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 15/07/2014 5:35 AM, Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote:

Holy Batman!  I’ve been flying 757-767’s for 8 years now, and have never seen 
anything like that.  I can’t believe they didn’t feel it.  Oh well.

Jon




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Re: [MBZ] OT - a flying tale

2014-07-15 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 14/07/2014 10:42 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Conway Twitty??


You're thinking Mel T-t-t-t-tillis, I think.

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Re: [MBZ] New phone

2014-07-15 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 14/07/2014 8:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I can't imaging living on 3G... I've also been told the 4s has really bad 
battery life. If I don't use it much my iPhone 5 will go 2 days between 
recharges, a friend says her 4s needs charging every 12 hours.

-Curt




She has a whole lot of stuff running in the background. She needs to 
turn most of it off.

My iPhone 4 lasts for days without charging.

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Re: [MBZ] Republic wireless

2014-07-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
You could get some service with those though. Dad kept a bag phone right up 
until they shut analog service off. We could make calls wy back in the 
woods. Last fall he managed to get his Jeep stuck and they had to hike quite a 
ways to find service. Then we discovered that my GPS isn't set up on the same 
coordinate system as his. Fortunately Delorme came through and I found him on 
the (paper) map.
For his birthday I bought him a set of traction ramps and an adapter so that a 
hi-lift jack will work on his Jeep which otherwise has no flat surfaces to hook 
on to. In November when all the guys show up for deer camp I'll present his 
hi-lift jack. 

-Curt



 From: Ed Booher via Mercedes 
To: Rich Thomas ; Mercedes Discussion 
List  
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Republic wireless
 

Do you remember the first cell phones? Installed in the W123s and such?
Great big data box bolted in the trunk, wires running everywhere, handset
in the console and an antenna the size of a redwood.

Ah ... those were the days.

Oh, by the way, Mercedes content.


On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
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> Where is the Mercedes content?
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 7/14/14 12:56 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> Forgive my ignorance, I brought my iPhone to my Verizon plan, does that
>>> mean I'm locked into a contract? Assuming I stay with Verizon I see no
>>> reason to upgrade my iPhone, it works well enough.
>>>
>>
>> How old is your iPhone?
>> If it's 4 or 4s, you can use it with Tracfone's BYOP service if it's in
>> Verizon's database already. If it has a 4G/LTE radio in it (iPhone 5), you
>> probably can't activate it on Tracfone. The big sticking point is it has to
>> be a phone that was once used on a Verizon "postpaid" plan.
>>
>> http://tracfonewireless.com/byop/
>>
>> BYOP gives you triple minutes, triple texts, and triple data. For
>> example, if you buy a $20 / 60 minute pin card, on a BYOP phone you'd get
>> 180 minutes of talk time, 180 text messages, and 180 MB of data.
>> Lately I've been able to get the 200 minute cards for $20 (normally $40),
>> so for $20 I get 600 minutes and 600 texts, and 90 days added to my
>> expiration date. I don't use data on my flip phone, so the data just
>> accumulates towards the day that I might swap my service over to a smart
>> phone.
>>
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Curts new Pickup

2014-07-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Yeah, that'll do.

Must have quite the air compressor to fill all those tires that fast.

-Curt



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Subject: [MBZ] Curts new Pickup
 


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Re: [MBZ] Republic wireless

2014-07-15 Thread Ed Booher via Mercedes
Do you remember the first cell phones? Installed in the W123s and such?
Great big data box bolted in the trunk, wires running everywhere, handset
in the console and an antenna the size of a redwood.

Ah ... those were the days.

Oh, by the way, Mercedes content.


On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
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> Where is the Mercedes content?
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 7/14/14 12:56 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> Forgive my ignorance, I brought my iPhone to my Verizon plan, does that
>>> mean I'm locked into a contract? Assuming I stay with Verizon I see no
>>> reason to upgrade my iPhone, it works well enough.
>>>
>>
>> How old is your iPhone?
>> If it's 4 or 4s, you can use it with Tracfone's BYOP service if it's in
>> Verizon's database already. If it has a 4G/LTE radio in it (iPhone 5), you
>> probably can't activate it on Tracfone. The big sticking point is it has to
>> be a phone that was once used on a Verizon "postpaid" plan.
>>
>> http://tracfonewireless.com/byop/
>>
>> BYOP gives you triple minutes, triple texts, and triple data. For
>> example, if you buy a $20 / 60 minute pin card, on a BYOP phone you'd get
>> 180 minutes of talk time, 180 text messages, and 180 MB of data.
>> Lately I've been able to get the 200 minute cards for $20 (normally $40),
>> so for $20 I get 600 minutes and 600 texts, and 90 days added to my
>> expiration date. I don't use data on my flip phone, so the data just
>> accumulates towards the day that I might swap my service over to a smart
>> phone.
>>
>> Mitch.
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[MBZ] Curts new Pickup

2014-07-15 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes



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Re: [MBZ] New phone

2014-07-15 Thread Kaleb Striplin, Okieben via Mercedes
That's what I thought

Sent from my iPhone

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> f, oh, well, never mind
> 
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> 
>> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Kaleb Striplin, Okieben via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> I got a new company iphone 5. My old phone was a 4 and only did 3G. This one 
>> had lte. Holy crap the Internet is fast. I just tested and got 35mbps down 
>> and 11 up. Wow. That's way faster than my home uverse connection .
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Re: [MBZ] Lucky 7?

2014-07-15 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
My wife is more interested in seeing the interesting numbers on the
odometer than I am ---


On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Craig via Mercedes 
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> On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 07:51:43 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
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>
> > <
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20140715/2c5a3ccc/attachment.jpe
> >
>
> How about that! Now we need to see it when it has another 7 on the front
> of what is there.
>
> I remark to my wife when we are driving and interesting numbers come up
> on the odometer. She's not too thrilled.
>
>
> Craig
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another Fkying Tale

2014-07-15 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
This is better 
http://www.wired.com/2014/07/watch-test-pilots-push-the-new-boeing-jet-to-terrifying-limits/


--R

On 7/15/14 7:55 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:


So, what's the desired takeoff angle of attack, and at what angle 
does the tail hit the ground?


Interesting.
One guy says he has to duck to walk under the tail of a parked 
767-300, another says that many idiots just yank the stick back and 
hold it there until the wheels leave the runway, and yet another guy 
mentions that landing with spoilers increases AOA. Is there really a 
situation in which you want to touch down with spoilers deployed? 
Seems like a good way to increase touchdown speed and hence rollout 
distance.
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/3816449/ 



Some discussion from Boeing:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagazine/aero_04/textonly/tr01txt.html 

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagazine/articles/qtr_1_07/article_02_1.html 



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Re: [MBZ] Today's CL Find

2014-07-15 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Budget appears to dictate mid to early 90s, but later is always better. That 
avoids things like evaporators and wiring harnesses.

Dan

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> On Jul 15, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Craig  wrote:
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> On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 09:20:07 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
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>> Still working on it. More as I know it.
>> 
>> I would really like to find a W140 300SEL. I want a W140 chassis with a
>> smaller engine for the economy. I've seen a few around in the $3000
>> range with high mileage, which doesn't scare me.
> 
> At what years are you looking?
> 
> 
> Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Lucky 7?

2014-07-15 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 07:51:43 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
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> <http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20140715/2c5a3ccc/attachment.jpe>

How about that! Now we need to see it when it has another 7 on the front
of what is there.

I remark to my wife when we are driving and interesting numbers come up
on the odometer. She's not too thrilled.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Today's CL Find

2014-07-15 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 09:20:07 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
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> Still working on it. More as I know it.
> 
> I would really like to find a W140 300SEL. I want a W140 chassis with a
> smaller engine for the economy. I've seen a few around in the $3000
> range with high mileage, which doesn't scare me.

At what years are you looking?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Today's CL Find

2014-07-15 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
Yes and I would snatch it up if I were in a position to buy another car!

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> That is a nice car.  It;s probably worth at least that much in certain 
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> 
> 
>> On Jul 14, 2014, at 7:40 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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>> 
>> Price is a little high, but nice nevertheless.
>> 
>> http://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/4568162179.html
>> 
>> Manny tranny AND factory trailer hitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Today's CL Find

2014-07-15 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Still working on it. More as I know it.

I would really like to find a W140 300SEL. I want a W140 chassis with a smaller 
engine for the economy. I've seen a few around in the $3000 range with high 
mileage, which doesn't scare me.

Dan

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> Is Poos getting that dead SEL?
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>> On 7/15/14 8:23 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> Beauty.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jul 14, 2014, at 7:40 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
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>>> 
>>> Price is a little high, but nice nevertheless.
>>> 
>>> http://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/4568162179.html
>>> 
>>> Manny tranny AND factory trailer hitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Today's CL Find

2014-07-15 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

Is Poos getting that dead SEL?

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On 7/15/14 8:23 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:

Beauty.

Sent from my iPhone


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Price is a little high, but nice nevertheless.

http://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/4568162179.html

Manny tranny AND factory trailer hitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another Fkying Tale

2014-07-15 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

That'll buff right out

--R

On 7/14/14 6:47 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:

See the photo at the end.

Narrative:

An Aeromexico Boeing 767-200, registration XA-TOJ performing flight AM-2
from Madrid,SP (Spain) to Mexico City (Mexico), was rotating for takeoff
from Madrid's runway 36L when the tail of the aircraft contacted the runway
surface leaving debris behind. The crew continued the takeoff and climb,
levelled off and descended only after the oxygen masks were released, then
entered a hold to burn off fuel and returned to Madrid for a safe landing
about 90 minutes after departure. Two cabin crew received injuries, the
aircraft sustained substantial damage.

An Air Europa Airbus A330 departing after the Aeromexico received nose gear
tyre damage while departing over the debris left by the Boeing and needed to
return, too, see Incident: Air Europa A332 at Madrid on Apr 16th 2013,
damaged nose gear tyres on takeoff.

Air Traffic Control reported the aircraft climbed out without any comment,
later into the departure climb the crew indicated they had cabin pressure
problems and needed to return to Madrid. There was no mention of the
possibility of a tail strike and no mention of injuries on board. The tower
controller had not been able to see the tail contact the runway surface
about 4km from his position, between the Aeromexico and Air Europa there
were a few other departures without any problems.

On May 3rd 2013 Spain's CIAIAC reported the three flight attendants seated
in the rear galley heard strange noises during takeoff. When they proceeded
to inform the flight deck about the noises the flight crew already prepared
to return to Madrid due to the cabin pressure problems at 14,000 feet. Then
the passenger oxygen masks were released. The crew informed ATC about cabin
pressure problems 22 minutes after departure. Two of the three cabin crew in
the aft galley complained about neck pain. The aircraft received substantial
damage to the lower fuselage including the near complete loss of both APU
compartment doors. The Air Europa A332 departed 29 minutes after departure
of XA-TOJ as 7th aircraft following XA-TOJ. The runway inspection following
that departure recovered two metallic pieces of debris from the runway.

The visual:  http://pt709.synology.me/ouch.png




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Re: [MBZ] Today's CL Find

2014-07-15 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
Beauty.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 14, 2014, at 7:40 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Price is a little high, but nice nevertheless.
> 
> http://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/4568162179.html
> 
> Manny tranny AND factory trailer hitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another Fkying Tale

2014-07-15 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:


So, what's the desired takeoff angle of attack, and at what angle does 
the tail hit the ground?


Interesting.
One guy says he has to duck to walk under the tail of a parked 767-300, another 
says that many idiots just yank the stick back and hold it there until the 
wheels leave the runway, and yet another guy mentions that landing with spoilers 
increases AOA. Is there really a situation in which you want to touch down with 
spoilers deployed? Seems like a good way to increase touchdown speed and hence 
rollout distance.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/3816449/

Some discussion from Boeing:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagazine/aero_04/textonly/tr01txt.html
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagazine/articles/qtr_1_07/article_02_1.html

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[MBZ] Lucky 7?

2014-07-15 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another Fkying Tale

2014-07-15 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


So, what's the desired takeoff angle of attack, and at what angle does the tail 
hit the ground?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another Fkying Tale

2014-07-15 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 6:00 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On a rough runway; something like one of the old Hartsfield runways in
> Atlanta?
> Seems like there should be a warning sensor in the tail that provided time
> to slow the rotation.
>

Or put a tailwheel on the beastie...  ;-)

-MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another Fkying Tale

2014-07-15 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
On a rough runway; something like one of the old Hartsfield runways in 
Atlanta?
Seems like there should be a warning sensor in the tail that provided 
time to slow the rotation.

Gerry

On 7/15/2014 6:35 AM, Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote:

Holy Batman!  I’ve been flying 757-767’s for 8 years now, and have never seen 
anything like that.  I can’t believe they didn’t feel it.  Oh well.

Jon


On Jul 14, 2014, at 6:47 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes  
wrote:


See the photo at the end.

Narrative:

An Aeromexico Boeing 767-200, registration XA-TOJ performing flight AM-2
from Madrid,SP (Spain) to Mexico City (Mexico), was rotating for takeoff
from Madrid's runway 36L when the tail of the aircraft contacted the runway
surface leaving debris behind. The crew continued the takeoff and climb,
levelled off and descended only after the oxygen masks were released, then
entered a hold to burn off fuel and returned to Madrid for a safe landing
about 90 minutes after departure. Two cabin crew received injuries, the
aircraft sustained substantial damage.

An Air Europa Airbus A330 departing after the Aeromexico received nose gear
tyre damage while departing over the debris left by the Boeing and needed to
return, too, see Incident: Air Europa A332 at Madrid on Apr 16th 2013,
damaged nose gear tyres on takeoff.

Air Traffic Control reported the aircraft climbed out without any comment,
later into the departure climb the crew indicated they had cabin pressure
problems and needed to return to Madrid. There was no mention of the
possibility of a tail strike and no mention of injuries on board. The tower
controller had not been able to see the tail contact the runway surface
about 4km from his position, between the Aeromexico and Air Europa there
were a few other departures without any problems.

On May 3rd 2013 Spain's CIAIAC reported the three flight attendants seated
in the rear galley heard strange noises during takeoff. When they proceeded
to inform the flight deck about the noises the flight crew already prepared
to return to Madrid due to the cabin pressure problems at 14,000 feet. Then
the passenger oxygen masks were released. The crew informed ATC about cabin
pressure problems 22 minutes after departure. Two of the three cabin crew in
the aft galley complained about neck pain. The aircraft received substantial
damage to the lower fuselage including the near complete loss of both APU
compartment doors. The Air Europa A332 departed 29 minutes after departure
of XA-TOJ as 7th aircraft following XA-TOJ. The runway inspection following
that departure recovered two metallic pieces of debris from the runway.

The visual:  http://pt709.synology.me/ouch.png




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Re: [MBZ] Today's CL Find

2014-07-15 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
That is a nice car.  It;s probably worth at least that much in certain markets. 
 Dimitri, Are you watching this…….?


On Jul 14, 2014, at 7:40 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

> Price is a little high, but nice nevertheless.
> 
> http://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/4568162179.html
> 
> Manny tranny AND factory trailer hitch.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another Fkying Tale

2014-07-15 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Holy Batman!  I’ve been flying 757-767’s for 8 years now, and have never seen 
anything like that.  I can’t believe they didn’t feel it.  Oh well.

Jon


On Jul 14, 2014, at 6:47 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes  
wrote:

> See the photo at the end.  
> 
> Narrative:
> 
> An Aeromexico Boeing 767-200, registration XA-TOJ performing flight AM-2
> from Madrid,SP (Spain) to Mexico City (Mexico), was rotating for takeoff
> from Madrid's runway 36L when the tail of the aircraft contacted the runway
> surface leaving debris behind. The crew continued the takeoff and climb,
> levelled off and descended only after the oxygen masks were released, then
> entered a hold to burn off fuel and returned to Madrid for a safe landing
> about 90 minutes after departure. Two cabin crew received injuries, the
> aircraft sustained substantial damage.
> 
> An Air Europa Airbus A330 departing after the Aeromexico received nose gear
> tyre damage while departing over the debris left by the Boeing and needed to
> return, too, see Incident: Air Europa A332 at Madrid on Apr 16th 2013,
> damaged nose gear tyres on takeoff.
> 
> Air Traffic Control reported the aircraft climbed out without any comment,
> later into the departure climb the crew indicated they had cabin pressure
> problems and needed to return to Madrid. There was no mention of the
> possibility of a tail strike and no mention of injuries on board. The tower
> controller had not been able to see the tail contact the runway surface
> about 4km from his position, between the Aeromexico and Air Europa there
> were a few other departures without any problems.
> 
> On May 3rd 2013 Spain's CIAIAC reported the three flight attendants seated
> in the rear galley heard strange noises during takeoff. When they proceeded
> to inform the flight deck about the noises the flight crew already prepared
> to return to Madrid due to the cabin pressure problems at 14,000 feet. Then
> the passenger oxygen masks were released. The crew informed ATC about cabin
> pressure problems 22 minutes after departure. Two of the three cabin crew in
> the aft galley complained about neck pain. The aircraft received substantial
> damage to the lower fuselage including the near complete loss of both APU
> compartment doors. The Air Europa A332 departed 29 minutes after departure
> of XA-TOJ as 7th aircraft following XA-TOJ. The runway inspection following
> that departure recovered two metallic pieces of debris from the runway.
> 
> The visual:  http://pt709.synology.me/ouch.png
> 
> 
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