Re: [MBZ] New phone
Same here. Wilt - Original Message - From: Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] New phone On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 20:05:50 -0500 Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: mao wrote: ...I just wanna see if my response comes ...via Mercedes... Nope. I wanna see the big bold via Mercedes... How come I caint? I don't know how come you canit, but it certainly appeared on both of your postings from what I saw (see quotation line above). Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World
It's the best oil for your Mercedes http://www.walmart.com/browse/motor-oil,-transmission-fluid-car-lubricant/motor-oil/mobil-1/91083_1104294_1072084/YnJhbmQ6TW9iiaWwgMQieie?_refineresult=true --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World
Says out of stock online About what I'm paying for Car Quest full synthetic 5w40 which carries the VW spec the Jetta wants. I've more or less standardized on that for most everything although the 190D is still running M1 since I had a gallon at its last change interval. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:43 PM Subject: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World It's the best oil for your Mercedes http://www.walmart.com/browse/motor-oil,-transmission-fluid-car-lubricant/motor-oil/mobil-1/91083_1104294_1072084/YnJhbmQ6TW9iiaWwgMQieie?_refineresult=true --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World
I have struggled with hit or miss stock on the 15W-50 around here. I have gotten into the habit of checking the two Supercenters in the area online about once a week, and when they have it I buy a couple of jugs. With three MBs running the stuff I can't afford to run out. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 16, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Says out of stock online About what I'm paying for Car Quest full synthetic 5w40 which carries the VW spec the Jetta wants. I've more or less standardized on that for most everything although the 190D is still running M1 since I had a gallon at its last change interval. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:43 PM Subject: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World It's the best oil for your Mercedes http://www.walmart.com/browse/motor-oil,-transmission-fluid-car-lubricant/motor-oil/mobil-1/91083_1104294_1072084/YnJhbmQ6TW9iiaWwgMQieie?_refineresult=true --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World
How often are you changing? I'll probably change the Jetta at the end of next week which will be right around 250,000 miles with maybe 10k OCI. I should probably take a sample and see how things are inside. The 190D gets 10k changes, the Ranger 8k because it does mostly short trips. -Curt From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World I have struggled with hit or miss stock on the 15W-50 around here. I have gotten into the habit of checking the two Supercenters in the area online about once a week, and when they have it I buy a couple of jugs. With three MBs running the stuff I can't afford to run out. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 16, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Says out of stock online About what I'm paying for Car Quest full synthetic 5w40 which carries the VW spec the Jetta wants. I've more or less standardized on that for most everything although the 190D is still running M1 since I had a gallon at its last change interval. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:43 PM Subject: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World It's the best oil for your Mercedes http://www.walmart.com/browse/motor-oil,-transmission-fluid-car-lubricant/motor-oil/mobil-1/91083_1104294_1072084/YnJhbmQ6TW9iiaWwgMQieie?_refineresult=true --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World
Did you know that stuff is not really synthetic anymore, it's just group 3 base stock. Better off using delvac 1 Dino because you should not go extended oil changes with m1 anymore Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How often are you changing? I'll probably change the Jetta at the end of next week which will be right around 250,000 miles with maybe 10k OCI. I should probably take a sample and see how things are inside. The 190D gets 10k changes, the Ranger 8k because it does mostly short trips. -Curt From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World I have struggled with hit or miss stock on the 15W-50 around here. I have gotten into the habit of checking the two Supercenters in the area online about once a week, and when they have it I buy a couple of jugs. With three MBs running the stuff I can't afford to run out. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 16, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Says out of stock online About what I'm paying for Car Quest full synthetic 5w40 which carries the VW spec the Jetta wants. I've more or less standardized on that for most everything although the 190D is still running M1 since I had a gallon at its last change interval. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:43 PM Subject: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World It's the best oil for your Mercedes http://www.walmart.com/browse/motor-oil,-transmission-fluid-car-lubricant/motor-oil/mobil-1/91083_1104294_1072084/YnJhbmQ6TW9iiaWwgMQieie?_refineresult=true --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World
I change every 5k. Yeah, I know, I know. Cheap insurance and we're typically talking about twice a year for each car if that. Since the climate down here is nasty a good part of the year, I'm sure the oil takes a beating as it is. I'm sure I could go longer, but every six months is a good interval any way. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 16, 2014, at 3:17 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: How often are you changing? I'll probably change the Jetta at the end of next week which will be right around 250,000 miles with maybe 10k OCI. I should probably take a sample and see how things are inside. The 190D gets 10k changes, the Ranger 8k because it does mostly short trips. -Curt From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World I have struggled with hit or miss stock on the 15W-50 around here. I have gotten into the habit of checking the two Supercenters in the area online about once a week, and when they have it I buy a couple of jugs. With three MBs running the stuff I can't afford to run out. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 16, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Says out of stock online About what I'm paying for Car Quest full synthetic 5w40 which carries the VW spec the Jetta wants. I've more or less standardized on that for most everything although the 190D is still running M1 since I had a gallon at its last change interval. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:43 PM Subject: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World It's the best oil for your Mercedes http://www.walmart.com/browse/motor-oil,-transmission-fluid-car-lubricant/motor-oil/mobil-1/91083_1104294_1072084/YnJhbmQ6TW9iiaWwgMQieie?_refineresult=true --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World
How about the European formula? Isn't that still full synthetic? Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 12:41 PM To: Curt Raymond; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World Did you know that stuff is not really synthetic anymore, it's just group 3 base stock. Better off using delvac 1 Dino because you should not go extended oil changes with m1 anymore Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How often are you changing? I'll probably change the Jetta at the end of next week which will be right around 250,000 miles with maybe 10k OCI. I should probably take a sample and see how things are inside. The 190D gets 10k changes, the Ranger 8k because it does mostly short trips. -Curt From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World I have struggled with hit or miss stock on the 15W-50 around here. I have gotten into the habit of checking the two Supercenters in the area online about once a week, and when they have it I buy a couple of jugs. With three MBs running the stuff I can't afford to run out. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 16, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Says out of stock online About what I'm paying for Car Quest full synthetic 5w40 which carries the VW spec the Jetta wants. I've more or less standardized on that for most everything although the 190D is still running M1 since I had a gallon at its last change interval. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:43 PM Subject: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World It's the best oil for your Mercedes http://www.walmart.com/browse/motor-oil,-transmission-fluid-car-lubricant/mo tor-oil/mobil-1/91083_1104294_1072084/YnJhbmQ6TW9iiaWwgMQieie?_refineresult= true --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World
Have you done any analysis? If you could go 10k that'd be once a year. The cheap insurance argument is BS, underusing your oil means its actually more abrasive, theres loads of info out there suggesting that oil wears in and is actually more protective after its been used some. Larry gets $60 for 3 test kits which should be plenty to work you up to 10k changes (ie pull a sample at 5k, 7500 and 10k). I'm debating taking the Jetta up to 15k changes. VW currently recommends 10k in the US but 30k (!) in Europe. The reason for the short changes here is because they figure nobody reads the manual anyway... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World I change every 5k. Yeah, I know, I know. Cheap insurance and we're typically talking about twice a year for each car if that. Since the climate down here is nasty a good part of the year, I'm sure the oil takes a beating as it is. I'm sure I could go longer, but every six months is a good interval any way. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 16, 2014, at 3:17 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: How often are you changing? I'll probably change the Jetta at the end of next week which will be right around 250,000 miles with maybe 10k OCI. I should probably take a sample and see how things are inside. The 190D gets 10k changes, the Ranger 8k because it does mostly short trips. -Curt From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World I have struggled with hit or miss stock on the 15W-50 around here. I have gotten into the habit of checking the two Supercenters in the area online about once a week, and when they have it I buy a couple of jugs. With three MBs running the stuff I can't afford to run out. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 16, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Says out of stock online About what I'm paying for Car Quest full synthetic 5w40 which carries the VW spec the Jetta wants. I've more or less standardized on that for most everything although the 190D is still running M1 since I had a gallon at its last change interval. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:43 PM Subject: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World It's the best oil for your Mercedes http://www.walmart.com/browse/motor-oil,-transmission-fluid-car-lubricant/motor-oil/mobil-1/91083_1104294_1072084/YnJhbmQ6TW9iiaWwgMQieie?_refineresult=true --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World
I'm gonna call shenanigans. Nobody has ever been able to prove that anything has changed with M1. The samples I took last year look just like the ones I took in 2006 and say the oil is good to at least 10k in my 190D. Loads of people are running extended changes with M1, you want to spend a whole bunch of time changing oil be my guest but I prefer to drive the thing... -Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World Did you know that stuff is not really synthetic anymore, it's just group 3 base stock. Better off using delvac 1 Dino because you should not go extended oil changes with m1 anymore Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How often are you changing? I'll probably change the Jetta at the end of next week which will be right around 250,000 miles with maybe 10k OCI. I should probably take a sample and see how things are inside. The 190D gets 10k changes, the Ranger 8k because it does mostly short trips. -Curt From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World I have struggled with hit or miss stock on the 15W-50 around here. I have gotten into the habit of checking the two Supercenters in the area online about once a week, and when they have it I buy a couple of jugs. With three MBs running the stuff I can't afford to run out. Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] 123 Body Panels
Does anyone have a clue where to get steel reproduction floor and body panels for coupe and sedan 123's? Jaime? Jabba? Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 Body Panels
dickarde would always tout some SKS place or something like that, but i'm pretty sure those aren't the 3 initials as that is a chinese rifle On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Does anyone have a clue where to get steel reproduction floor and body panels for coupe and sedan 123's? Jaime? Jabba? Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World
I am changing about every 5k-6k and I'm perfectly happy with that. If the oil hasn't broken in (and I would like to see the citations for these claims) by then it's not going to. For almost 25 years I worked with industrial diesels with 1000s of HP that had sumps well beyond 100 gallons. Almost every one of them was changed on a calendar basis, only a few were changed based on oil analysis. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with oil analysis, in fact, when done properly it can provide a wealth of information about the engine. In the stationary engine business, about the only people who do oil analysis are those who have an aggressive maintenance program that pays close attention to everything, and/or those running engines in prime power (continuous) operation. Everyone else does it every two years or so. Quite frankly, I don't care to do it and I don't want the additional hassle and expense. I'll just change mine on the intervals I'm happy with and continue on. And yes, we could argue that I would save money in the long run, but I'm not that interested in doing so. I'm just more comfortable with changing the oil and filter out at the mileage or time I think is appropriate. Dan On Jul 16, 2014, at 3:46 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Have you done any analysis? If you could go 10k that'd be once a year. The cheap insurance argument is BS, underusing your oil means its actually more abrasive, theres loads of info out there suggesting that oil wears in and is actually more protective after its been used some. Larry gets $60 for 3 test kits which should be plenty to work you up to 10k changes (ie pull a sample at 5k, 7500 and 10k). I'm debating taking the Jetta up to 15k changes. VW currently recommends 10k in the US but 30k (!) in Europe. The reason for the short changes here is because they figure nobody reads the manual anyway... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World I change every 5k. Yeah, I know, I know. Cheap insurance and we're typically talking about twice a year for each car if that. Since the climate down here is nasty a good part of the year, I'm sure the oil takes a beating as it is. I'm sure I could go longer, but every six months is a good interval any way. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 16, 2014, at 3:17 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: How often are you changing? I'll probably change the Jetta at the end of next week which will be right around 250,000 miles with maybe 10k OCI. I should probably take a sample and see how things are inside. The 190D gets 10k changes, the Ranger 8k because it does mostly short trips. -Curt From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World I have struggled with hit or miss stock on the 15W-50 around here. I have gotten into the habit of checking the two Supercenters in the area online about once a week, and when they have it I buy a couple of jugs. With three MBs running the stuff I can't afford to run out. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 16, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Says out of stock online About what I'm paying for Car Quest full synthetic 5w40 which carries the VW spec the Jetta wants. I've more or less standardized on that for most everything although the 190D is still running M1 since I had a gallon at its last change interval. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:43 PM Subject: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World It's the best oil for your Mercedes http://www.walmart.com/browse/motor-oil,-transmission-fluid-car-lubricant/motor-oil/mobil-1/91083_1104294_1072084/YnJhbmQ6TW9iiaWwgMQieie?_refineresult=true --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] 123 Body Panels
Wasn't there a place in Cleveland that made all sorts of replacement panels for cars? Did they have MB stuff? It's these guys: http://www.tabcobodyparts.com/html/table_of_contents.htm Looks like they just have repair panels, not complete fenders. Dan On Jul 16, 2014, at 4:30 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: dickarde would always tout some SKS place or something like that, but i'm pretty sure those aren't the 3 initials as that is a chinese rifle ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World
Is the lack of analysis on stationary engines a factor of short run times? Caterpillar has a super aggressive program of analysis that helps them keep machines running for way longer than ever before and lowers maintenance costs by allowing fluids to run longer. If I had an engine with a sump that held 100 gallons you bet I'd want to get all I could out of that oil, changing it early would be crazy talk compared to running a $20 analysis... I find it interesting that the Mercedes Martha Stewart doesn't care about whats going on INSIDE the engine. My cars get the opposite treatment, I don't really mind what they look like, they have to perform. Then again I drive like 4x as much as you do. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World I am changing about every 5k-6k and I'm perfectly happy with that. If the oil hasn't broken in (and I would like to see the citations for these claims) by then it's not going to. For almost 25 years I worked with industrial diesels with 1000s of HP that had sumps well beyond 100 gallons. Almost every one of them was changed on a calendar basis, only a few were changed based on oil analysis. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with oil analysis, in fact, when done properly it can provide a wealth of information about the engine. In the stationary engine business, about the only people who do oil analysis are those who have an aggressive maintenance program that pays close attention to everything, and/or those running engines in prime power (continuous) operation. Everyone else does it every two years or so. Quite frankly, I don't care to do it and I don't want the additional hassle and expense. I'll just change mine on the intervals I'm happy with and continue on. And yes, we could argue that I would save money in the long run, but I'm not that interested in doing so. I'm just more comfortable with changing the oil and filter out at the mileage or time I think is appropriate. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Another Fkying Tale
And the pilot was Bang Ding Ow --R On 7/15/14 10:43 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: More on this story: ..A passenger reported the takeoff appeared normal initially until the aircraft began to rotate, the nose lifted up, however, nothing happened. The nose dropped again, then rose very sharply perhaps because of the runway end becoming visible. A sound of impact was heard from the back of the cabin followed by scratching sounds, that lasted for about 5 seconds, then the aircraft began to climb. During the initial climb the aircraft was shaking, the right wing dropped which the passenger, frequent traveller, perceived as unusual. The aircraft continued to climb heading north out of the Madrid area, no announcements were made...snip http://www.aeroinside.com/item/2336/aeromexico-b762-at-madrid-on-apr-16th-2013-tail-strike-on-takeoff http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/major/36912-any-latest-greatest-about-delta-12858.html Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Another Fkying Tale
Hey, I remain impressed by the fact that the plane flew well enough to land it without any further problems and amazed that with all of the technology available today, that there is not something that essentially prevents the pilot from doing that. Randy On 16/07/2014 4:47 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: And the pilot was Bang Ding Ow --R On 7/15/14 10:43 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: More on this story: ..A passenger reported the takeoff appeared normal initially until the aircraft began to rotate, the nose lifted up, however, nothing happened. The nose dropped again, then rose very sharply perhaps because of the runway end becoming visible. A sound of impact was heard from the back of the cabin followed by scratching sounds, that lasted for about 5 seconds, then the aircraft began to climb. During the initial climb the aircraft was shaking, the right wing dropped which the passenger, frequent traveller, perceived as unusual. The aircraft continued to climb heading north out of the Madrid area, no announcements were made...snip http://www.aeroinside.com/item/2336/aeromexico-b762-at-madrid-on-apr-16th-2013-tail-strike-on-takeoff http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/major/36912-any-latest-greatest-about-delta-12858.html Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World
One last thing and I'll shut up, the analysis is so easy the hassle and expense is laughable. Remember you do it 3-5 times which shows you the duration that the oil is viable. You contact Larry and give him $60, he sends you 3 bellows bottles. You put the tube down the dipstick hole, crush all the air out of the bottle and then suck up a sample. Put on the cap, put it in a baggie, fill out the paperwork, put the bottle/baggie in the prepaid mailer and then drop it in the mail. Later he emails you results and sends a paper copy in the mail. Couldn't possibly be easier unless somebody did it for you. I wish I could find the post on TDIclub where they talked about the oil being more abrasive than it ought to at first but I can't. When I find it again I'll let you know. Interestingly if you try googling around theres quite the rift. Many of the car sites like Edmunds are pushing people away from the 3,000 mile oil change but theres several shop pages pushing people back to it. The later are suggesting that cars are sludging up and failing because of infrequent oil changes. What they aren't saying is that extended OCI on conventional oils or cars that require synthetic is probably they cause... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World I am changing about every 5k-6k and I'm perfectly happy with that. If the oil hasn't broken in (and I would like to see the citations for these claims) by then it's not going to. For almost 25 years I worked with industrial diesels with 1000s of HP that had sumps well beyond 100 gallons. Almost every one of them was changed on a calendar basis, only a few were changed based on oil analysis. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with oil analysis, in fact, when done properly it can provide a wealth of information about the engine. In the stationary engine business, about the only people who do oil analysis are those who have an aggressive maintenance program that pays close attention to everything, and/or those running engines in prime power (continuous) operation. Everyone else does it every two years or so. Quite frankly, I don't care to do it and I don't want the additional hassle and expense. I'll just change mine on the intervals I'm happy with and continue on. And yes, we could argue that I would save money in the long run, but I'm not that interested in doing so. I'm just more comfortable with changing the oil and filter out at the mileage or time I think is appropriate. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Another Fkying Tale
Did you see the pics of the plane where the whole dang top ripped off? This damage is minor in comparison. The only person that died in that one was a stewardess that was standing up. Imagine riding back to the airport in a convertible... -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Another Fkying Tale Hey, I remain impressed by the fact that the plane flew well enough to land it without any further problems and amazed that with all of the technology available today, that there is not something that essentially prevents the pilot from doing that. Randy On 16/07/2014 4:47 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: And the pilot was Bang Ding Ow --R On 7/15/14 10:43 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: More on this story: ..A passenger reported the takeoff appeared normal initially until the aircraft began to rotate, the nose lifted up, however, nothing happened. The nose dropped again, then rose very sharply perhaps because of the runway end becoming visible. A sound of impact was heard from the back of the cabin followed by scratching sounds, that lasted for about 5 seconds, then the aircraft began to climb. During the initial climb the aircraft was shaking, the right wing dropped which the passenger, frequent traveller, perceived as unusual. The aircraft continued to climb heading north out of the Madrid area, no announcements were made...snip http://www.aeroinside.com/item/2336/aeromexico-b762-at-madrid-on-apr-16th-2013-tail-strike-on-takeoff http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/major/36912-any-latest-greatest-about-delta-12858.html Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Another Fkying Tale
Second officer was Wi Tu Lo Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 16, 2014, at 5:47 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: And the pilot was Bang Ding Ow --R On 7/15/14 10:43 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: More on this story: ..A passenger reported the takeoff appeared normal initially until the aircraft began to rotate, the nose lifted up, however, nothing happened. The nose dropped again, then rose very sharply perhaps because of the runway end becoming visible. A sound of impact was heard from the back of the cabin followed by scratching sounds, that lasted for about 5 seconds, then the aircraft began to climb. During the initial climb the aircraft was shaking, the right wing dropped which the passenger, frequent traveller, perceived as unusual. The aircraft continued to climb heading north out of the Madrid area, no announcements were made...snip http://www.aeroinside.com/item/2336/aeromexico-b762-at-madrid-on-apr-16th-2013-tail-strike-on-takeoff http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/major/36912-any-latest-greatest-about-delta-12858.html Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] adjusting valves
I think that one went to his pay portal. clay On Jul 9, 2014, at 6:47 PM, Meade Dillon wrote: Kent Bergsma had a you tube video how to for valve adjustments that I can't find now. He showed how the big nut should be turned until the largest gap is found, and then you adjust the gap to spec, and then double check by rotating that big nut around again. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Another Fkying Tale
That was the Hawaiian 737? Lotsa cycles on those, updownupdownupdown... all day long. Salt air too. I guess it was a testament to the airplane that it held together. --R On 7/16/14 5:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Did you see the pics of the plane where the whole dang top ripped off? This damage is minor in comparison. The only person that died in that one was a stewardess that was standing up. Imagine riding back to the airport in a convertible... -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Another Fkying Tale Hey, I remain impressed by the fact that the plane flew well enough to land it without any further problems and amazed that with all of the technology available today, that there is not something that essentially prevents the pilot from doing that. Randy On 16/07/2014 4:47 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: And the pilot was Bang Ding Ow --R On 7/15/14 10:43 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: More on this story: ..A passenger reported the takeoff appeared normal initially until the aircraft began to rotate, the nose lifted up, however, nothing happened. The nose dropped again, then rose very sharply perhaps because of the runway end becoming visible. A sound of impact was heard from the back of the cabin followed by scratching sounds, that lasted for about 5 seconds, then the aircraft began to climb. During the initial climb the aircraft was shaking, the right wing dropped which the passenger, frequent traveller, perceived as unusual. The aircraft continued to climb heading north out of the Madrid area, no announcements were made...snip http://www.aeroinside.com/item/2336/aeromexico-b762-at-madrid-on-apr-16th-2013-tail-strike-on-takeoff http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/major/36912-any-latest-greatest-about-delta-12858.html Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar
Thanks. No aux fan. That was introduced later in the year. Hoses are a year old and holding well. It was the visco clutch that failed. Replaced it Monday. I was a retard and took the car for a 8 hour drive around Mt. Rainier over the weekend. It did fine, though did get hot clay On Jul 11, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Check the function of the visco clutch and make sure the auxilliary fan comes on at about 100C. With both of those out of action on a steep grade, you will overheat. Also check to make sure the bottom radiator hose has not gone soft. They can collapse under high speed pump operation, starving the block of coolant. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar
In the 2 190Ds I've had neither had a properly working fan clutch (the 190Ds are electric) and as long as the car is moving it doesn't really matter. Its puttering along in heavy traffic that gets ya. -Curt From: clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar Thanks. No aux fan. That was introduced later in the year. Hoses are a year old and holding well. It was the visco clutch that failed. Replaced it Monday. I was a retard and took the car for a 8 hour drive around Mt. Rainier over the weekend. It did fine, though did get hot clay On Jul 11, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Check the function of the visco clutch and make sure the auxilliary fan comes on at about 100C. With both of those out of action on a steep grade, you will overheat. Also check to make sure the bottom radiator hose has not gone soft. They can collapse under high speed pump operation, starving the block of coolant. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar
The issue is sort of resolved now. The vicious fan had died, and paired with the screw up job the shop did trying to remove a backfire, the thing now runs way to rich and is all out of whack. I real D-jet mechanic will have to De-tune the tune up and fiddling to get it back to proper, but I can not make that payment today. Same shop was supposed to have done a full synth oil change, but after 500 miles, the stuff looked like nine year old diesel oil. The job was not done. clay On Jul 11, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 11/07/2014 2:38 PM, clay wrote: Froggy is having inconsistent cooling issues. I was taking her for an italian tune up this past weekend. I meant to climb the foothills of the Cascades about 32 miles out of town (seattle) doing 70mph. I made it only 22 miles before I had to pull off because the temp was climbing up to the red zone. Got to a service station and drizzled a gallon of water over the block and rad to get temp down. I decided to head back home and give it a better look. No visible leakage. The system was holding pressure fine. I checked the oil for water, but only found it to be black and nasty. This within 500 miles of a change. I am suspecting the shop did not really change the oil. So, I gave it all new oil. Thermostat was changed, along with new hoses and water pump last summer. The AC does not function, so that should have no impact on temps. I have replaced the hood pad, and there are no cats living in the engine bay to add to the heat soaking. Transmission filter and fluids were change two years ago, about 2k miles. Anybody have insight? clay This is the car that has had all sorts of issues is it not? Timing and fuel mixture can be an issue with overheating if I am not mistaken. Too soon, too late, or bad advance mechanism, too rich, or too lean. All of the above, some of the above etc. It all needs to work together. Was the oil thin? Did it smell of fuel? Was there too much of it? Apart from that, if the engine seemed to be running fine, then is the rad plugged? Does the fan work? Is there anything missing on the vehicle that should be there, like a fan shroud or an air dam under the bumper etc? Is the coolant mixture ok? Too much or too little coolant with the water can make for problems. Some cars (not necessarily MBs) were built with marginal cooling to begin with. Big motor, tight engine compartment, smog controls etc so old age does not help them cope when they were not all that good when they were new. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar
yes. Detergent flush, then citric, finally full tap water flush. Buttoned back up with new hoses and water pump. clay On Jul 11, 2014, at 5:03 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: I forget, have you given it a citric acid flush? -- Jim On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 12:38 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Froggy is having inconsistent cooling issues. I was taking her for an italian tune up this past weekend. I meant to climb the foothills of the Cascades about 32 miles out of town (seattle) doing 70mph. I made it only 22 miles before I had to pull off because the temp was climbing up to the red zone. Got to a service station and drizzled a gallon of water over the block and rad to get temp down. I decided to head back home and give it a better look. No visible leakage. The system was holding pressure fine. I checked the oil for water, but only found it to be black and nasty. This within 500 miles of a change. I am suspecting the shop did not really change the oil. So, I gave it all new oil. Thermostat was changed, along with new hoses and water pump last summer. The AC does not function, so that should have no impact on temps. I have replaced the hood pad, and there are no cats living in the engine bay to add to the heat soaking. Transmission filter and fluids were change two years ago, about 2k miles. Anybody have insight? clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar
So clearly the money for fixing everything will come when your solicitor calls shop A right? -Curt From: clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar The issue is sort of resolved now. The vicious fan had died, and paired with the screw up job the shop did trying to remove a backfire, the thing now runs way to rich and is all out of whack. I real D-jet mechanic will have to De-tune the tune up and fiddling to get it back to proper, but I can not make that payment today. Same shop was supposed to have done a full synth oil change, but after 500 miles, the stuff looked like nine year old diesel oil. The job was not done. clay On Jul 11, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 11/07/2014 2:38 PM, clay wrote: Froggy is having inconsistent cooling issues. I was taking her for an italian tune up this past weekend. I meant to climb the foothills of the Cascades about 32 miles out of town (seattle) doing 70mph. I made it only 22 miles before I had to pull off because the temp was climbing up to the red zone. Got to a service station and drizzled a gallon of water over the block and rad to get temp down. I decided to head back home and give it a better look. No visible leakage. The system was holding pressure fine. I checked the oil for water, but only found it to be black and nasty. This within 500 miles of a change. I am suspecting the shop did not really change the oil. So, I gave it all new oil. Thermostat was changed, along with new hoses and water pump last summer. The AC does not function, so that should have no impact on temps. I have replaced the hood pad, and there are no cats living in the engine bay to add to the heat soaking. Transmission filter and fluids were change two years ago, about 2k miles. Anybody have insight? clay This is the car that has had all sorts of issues is it not? Timing and fuel mixture can be an issue with overheating if I am not mistaken. Too soon, too late, or bad advance mechanism, too rich, or too lean. All of the above, some of the above etc. It all needs to work together. Was the oil thin? Did it smell of fuel? Was there too much of it? Apart from that, if the engine seemed to be running fine, then is the rad plugged? Does the fan work? Is there anything missing on the vehicle that should be there, like a fan shroud or an air dam under the bumper etc? Is the coolant mixture ok? Too much or too little coolant with the water can make for problems. Some cars (not necessarily MBs) were built with marginal cooling to begin with. Big motor, tight engine compartment, smog controls etc so old age does not help them cope when they were not all that good when they were new. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] W140 Front calipers - FS
I picked up a pair of front calipers from a 95 S500 thinking that they would fit in a 92 300SE. The things are universal fit for 95-99 W140. Lucas, in very good shape and include nearly new brake pads. Ship from 98105 with UPS Ground. Does $200 sound like too much? clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World
On Jul 16, 2014, at 5:38 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Is the lack of analysis on stationary engines a factor of short run times? Mostly. Because of the typical short cycle times, the oil is often contaminated by condensation in the engine. This is exacerbated by the engines rarely being run under load, and even then the load is fairly small. It's not uncommon to find the waxy white deposits in the bottom of the crankcase in these engines due to their not getting hot enough to boil off moisture in the crankcase. Caterpillar has a super aggressive program of analysis that helps them keep machines running for way longer than ever before and lowers maintenance costs by allowing fluids to run longer. If I had an engine with a sump that held 100 gallons you bet I'd want to get all I could out of that oil, changing it early would be crazy talk compared to running a $20 analysis... Caterpillar does this themselves, but I can tell you from direct experience that very few of their standby power end users do it. The expense is often seen as something of an extravagance, and since the typical life of these units far exceeds their service life, most customers forego sampling. Customers who have fleet operations will do it as they have the programs in place already. Prime power users will do it due to cost. It's the ones who have one or two units onsite that balk at the expense. Understand that a typical oil analysis for an industrial engine from a certified lab can run into several hundred dollars by the time it's marked up by the service provider. Ask one of those Cat customers what an oil sample costs them. I find it interesting that the Mercedes Martha Stewart doesn't care about whats going on INSIDE the engine. My cars get the opposite treatment, I don't really mind what they look like, they have to perform. Then again I drive like 4x as much as you do. My cars perform, and perform well. If I found that my cam bearings were wearing, for example, I would dump the car. It's not that I don't care, as that would suggest that I don't maintain or follow MBs recommendations, and that's simply not true. I follow the service intervals religiously. With that in mind, my expectations are that the car(s) should last as long or longer than MB would predict. If fluid sampling was relevant or added value under normal operation, I would do it. Mercedes doesn't consider it necessary, nor does any other car manufacturer. Again, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with it. In my mind, it's overkill and the cost doesn't justify the expense, that's all. Dan From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World I am changing about every 5k-6k and I'm perfectly happy with that. If the oil hasn't broken in (and I would like to see the citations for these claims) by then it's not going to. For almost 25 years I worked with industrial diesels with 1000s of HP that had sumps well beyond 100 gallons. Almost every one of them was changed on a calendar basis, only a few were changed based on oil analysis. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with oil analysis, in fact, when done properly it can provide a wealth of information about the engine. In the stationary engine business, about the only people who do oil analysis are those who have an aggressive maintenance program that pays close attention to everything, and/or those running engines in prime power (continuous) operation. Everyone else does it every two years or so. Quite frankly, I don't care to do it and I don't want the additional hassle and expense. I'll just change mine on the intervals I'm happy with and continue on. And yes, we could argue that I would save money in the long run, but I'm not that interested in doing so. I'm just more comfortable with changing the oil and filter out at the mileage or time I think is appropriate. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no
Re: [MBZ] 124 AC woe
Probably not the solution you desire, but I found out you can use coil cleaning spray product to dislodge the built up snot on the condenser and it does increase the cooling effect. I gave it a shot on my S430 and what was once blackened became silvery once more. The warm weather had been taxing the cooling for both AC and engine, and now the gauge does not climb much beyond 100 at idle. Vent temps are cold. Not ice, but cold clay On Jul 12, 2014, at 4:47 PM, Meade Dillon wrote: Today I've re-charged the AC in my '95 E300 Diesel in order to have some decent cooling for the rest of the season. I added about 2 oz of PAG46 compressor oil and about 12 oz of R-134, and the pressure gauges didn't quite show a full charge (21 Bar on the high side, a little of 2 bar on the low side, at about 25 deg C ambient). The vent temperature was really nice, it would pull down to 0 deg F. I had a lot of trouble with the serpentine belt slipping, tried cleaning the cheapo Gates belt (from Napa a while back), tried an old belt from my wagon (too big, also slipped), finally I mounted the brand new Conti belt I had in the correct size, which I'd been saving to use after I re-seal or replace the leaking power steering pump. The pump is not leaking now, I've let the hydraulic fluid reservoir for the ASD get low. So finally I put on the new belt, I was very happy with the vent temperatures, but then the compressor started cutting out for no apparent reason. The belt was not slipping that I could detect. Took a test drive, while on the road with no stop/start, the compressor seems to run fine and then cut out. I suspect the evaporator temperature is getting too cold, so the PBU is shutting off the compressor. If I shut off the car and restart, the compressor will engage again. Anyone have a suggestion? Thanks, Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World
Not sure I understand. Every industrial engine sampling program I ever ran was sampled on a regular schedule. I understand the baseline concept, but in the programs I worked with we would sample several times a year to determine the oil condition to determine when it was exhausted and should be changed. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 16, 2014, at 6:34 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You know you don't continue with the samples right? You get a good baseline and then continue with your OCI... Plus this gives you a baseline so you know whats inside your engine... -Curt From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World I just did the math on this and it doesn't make sense. Here's what I'm thinking: 7.5 quarts of oil = $34.50 Oil filter = $10.00 Oil change total = $44.50 Twice a year = $89.00 Oil change = $44.50 Oil samples = $60.00 Once a year oil change + samples = $104.50 I could dink around with the frequencies of samplings and changes, but let's say you do it over a year as shown above. You're spending more than two oil changes. Push it out to 18 months and the difference is marginal at best. The numbers just don't add up or make sense to me. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 16, 2014, at 5:55 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: One last thing and I'll shut up, the analysis is so easy the hassle and expense is laughable. Remember you do it 3-5 times which shows you the duration that the oil is viable. You contact Larry and give him $60, he sends you 3 bellows bottles. You put the tube down the dipstick hole, crush all the air out of the bottle and then suck up a sample. Put on the cap, put it in a baggie, fill out the paperwork, put the bottle/baggie in the prepaid mailer and then drop it in the mail. Later he emails you results and sends a paper copy in the mail. Couldn't possibly be easier unless somebody did it for you. I wish I could find the post on TDIclub where they talked about the oil being more abrasive than it ought to at first but I can't. When I find it again I'll let you know. Interestingly if you try googling around theres quite the rift. Many of the car sites like Edmunds are pushing people away from the 3,000 mile oil change but theres several shop pages pushing people back to it. The later are suggesting that cars are sludging up and failing because of infrequent oil changes. What they aren't saying is that extended OCI on conventional oils or cars that require synthetic is probably they cause... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World
My experience with Caterpillar is limited to earthmovers where everybody does the samples. They sample hydraulic fluid too, a breakdown at a job site is way more expensive than pulling samples. I was under the impression over the road truckers were doing it too, another case where a breakdown simply isn't worth it. I'm a little surprised there aren't systems to polish the oil or heat the condensation out of it. Seems like a little heat would be big savings if we were talking about that substantial an amount of oil. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World On Jul 16, 2014, at 5:38 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Is the lack of analysis on stationary engines a factor of short run times? Mostly. Because of the typical short cycle times, the oil is often contaminated by condensation in the engine. This is exacerbated by the engines rarely being run under load, and even then the load is fairly small. It's not uncommon to find the waxy white deposits in the bottom of the crankcase in these engines due to their not getting hot enough to boil off moisture in the crankcase. Caterpillar has a super aggressive program of analysis that helps them keep machines running for way longer than ever before and lowers maintenance costs by allowing fluids to run longer. If I had an engine with a sump that held 100 gallons you bet I'd want to get all I could out of that oil, changing it early would be crazy talk compared to running a $20 analysis... Caterpillar does this themselves, but I can tell you from direct experience that very few of their standby power end users do it. The expense is often seen as something of an extravagance, and since the typical life of these units far exceeds their service life, most customers forego sampling. Customers who have fleet operations will do it as they have the programs in place already. Prime power users will do it due to cost. It's the ones who have one or two units onsite that balk at the expense. Understand that a typical oil analysis for an industrial engine from a certified lab can run into several hundred dollars by the time it's marked up by the service provider. Ask one of those Cat customers what an oil sample costs them. I find it interesting that the Mercedes Martha Stewart doesn't care about whats going on INSIDE the engine. My cars get the opposite treatment, I don't really mind what they look like, they have to perform. Then again I drive like 4x as much as you do. My cars perform, and perform well. If I found that my cam bearings were wearing, for example, I would dump the car. It's not that I don't care, as that would suggest that I don't maintain or follow MBs recommendations, and that's simply not true. I follow the service intervals religiously. With that in mind, my expectations are that the car(s) should last as long or longer than MB would predict. If fluid sampling was relevant or added value under normal operation, I would do it. Mercedes doesn't consider it necessary, nor does any other car manufacturer. Again, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with it. In my mind, it's overkill and the cost doesn't justify the expense, that's all. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Another Fkying Tale
Aloha http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloha_Airlines_Flight_243 The plane had about 90K cycles which was 2.5 times the number it was designed for according to the article. On 16/07/2014 5:10 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: That was the Hawaiian 737? Lotsa cycles on those, updownupdownupdown... all day long. Salt air too. I guess it was a testament to the airplane that it held together. --R On 7/16/14 5:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Did you see the pics of the plane where the whole dang top ripped off? This damage is minor in comparison. The only person that died in that one was a stewardess that was standing up. Imagine riding back to the airport in a convertible... -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Another Fkying Tale Hey, I remain impressed by the fact that the plane flew well enough to land it without any further problems and amazed that with all of the technology available today, that there is not something that essentially prevents the pilot from doing that. Randy On 16/07/2014 4:47 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: And the pilot was Bang Ding Ow --R On 7/15/14 10:43 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: More on this story: ..A passenger reported the takeoff appeared normal initially until the aircraft began to rotate, the nose lifted up, however, nothing happened. The nose dropped again, then rose very sharply perhaps because of the runway end becoming visible. A sound of impact was heard from the back of the cabin followed by scratching sounds, that lasted for about 5 seconds, then the aircraft began to climb. During the initial climb the aircraft was shaking, the right wing dropped which the passenger, frequent traveller, perceived as unusual. The aircraft continued to climb heading north out of the Madrid area, no announcements were made...snip http://www.aeroinside.com/item/2336/aeromexico-b762-at-madrid-on-apr-16th-2013-tail-strike-on-takeoff http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/major/36912-any-latest-greatest-about-delta-12858.html Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 Body Panels
Since my '84 300D may very well be my last car and I didn't want to take a chance on used fenders from a junkyard, I obtained a couple fenders from the Classic Center in CA. As I recall, the price wasn't too exorbitant and the fellow ( jon.sigg...@mbusa.com ) I dealt with was very helpful. Good luck. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Another Fkying Tale
Yeah I vaguely recalled something like that. I guess Boeings are sorta the Mercedes of airplanes, but the German airplanes (and French etc. Airbuses) not quite. --R On 7/16/14 6:48 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: Aloha http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloha_Airlines_Flight_243 The plane had about 90K cycles which was 2.5 times the number it was designed for according to the article. On 16/07/2014 5:10 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: That was the Hawaiian 737? Lotsa cycles on those, updownupdownupdown... all day long. Salt air too. I guess it was a testament to the airplane that it held together. --R On 7/16/14 5:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Did you see the pics of the plane where the whole dang top ripped off? This damage is minor in comparison. The only person that died in that one was a stewardess that was standing up. Imagine riding back to the airport in a convertible... -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Another Fkying Tale Hey, I remain impressed by the fact that the plane flew well enough to land it without any further problems and amazed that with all of the technology available today, that there is not something that essentially prevents the pilot from doing that. Randy On 16/07/2014 4:47 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: And the pilot was Bang Ding Ow --R On 7/15/14 10:43 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: More on this story: ..A passenger reported the takeoff appeared normal initially until the aircraft began to rotate, the nose lifted up, however, nothing happened. The nose dropped again, then rose very sharply perhaps because of the runway end becoming visible. A sound of impact was heard from the back of the cabin followed by scratching sounds, that lasted for about 5 seconds, then the aircraft began to climb. During the initial climb the aircraft was shaking, the right wing dropped which the passenger, frequent traveller, perceived as unusual. The aircraft continued to climb heading north out of the Madrid area, no announcements were made...snip http://www.aeroinside.com/item/2336/aeromexico-b762-at-madrid-on-apr-16th-2013-tail-strike-on-takeoff http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/major/36912-any-latest-greatest-about-delta-12858.html Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W140 Front calipers - FS
200 for the pair? they are new or rebuilt? what is the last 7 of your VIN? On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 6:36 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I picked up a pair of front calipers from a 95 S500 thinking that they would fit in a 92 300SE. The things are universal fit for 95-99 W140. Lucas, in very good shape and include nearly new brake pads. Ship from 98105 with UPS Ground. Does $200 sound like too much? clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar
It was a club event that introduced the troublesome shop. They were having a great savings deal if you scheduled a procedure. I went with the oil change. And for them to look into the back firing issue. They found many issues I knew of, as well as some that had been addressed, and they wanted to address as well. The crap wires I got from Q got replaces, and contact point that were not old, as well as a host of other already dealt with parts. The price got out of hand, so I called it quits and took the car back. IT ran much worse leaving than it did on delivery. I provided prior work orders to show what had been done. It was ignored. The shop monkey was not versed on older cars, and just went swinging wrenches. D-jets will rack up fees if you toss parts, or adjust the crap out of them with no clue. He did all that and more. The vacuum system has leaks. I am going to need to tackle that. IT may solve the door lock issue and the fuel delivery troubles. clay On Jul 16, 2014, at 3:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: So clearly the money for fixing everything will come when your solicitor calls shop A right? -Curt From: clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar The issue is sort of resolved now. The vicious fan had died, and paired with the screw up job the shop did trying to remove a backfire, the thing now runs way to rich and is all out of whack. I real D-jet mechanic will have to De-tune the tune up and fiddling to get it back to proper, but I can not make that payment today. Same shop was supposed to have done a full synth oil change, but after 500 miles, the stuff looked like nine year old diesel oil. The job was not done. clay On Jul 11, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 11/07/2014 2:38 PM, clay wrote: Froggy is having inconsistent cooling issues. I was taking her for an italian tune up this past weekend. I meant to climb the foothills of the Cascades about 32 miles out of town (seattle) doing 70mph. I made it only 22 miles before I had to pull off because the temp was climbing up to the red zone. Got to a service station and drizzled a gallon of water over the block and rad to get temp down. I decided to head back home and give it a better look. No visible leakage. The system was holding pressure fine. I checked the oil for water, but only found it to be black and nasty. This within 500 miles of a change. I am suspecting the shop did not really change the oil. So, I gave it all new oil. Thermostat was changed, along with new hoses and water pump last summer. The AC does not function, so that should have no impact on temps. I have replaced the hood pad, and there are no cats living in the engine bay to add to the heat soaking. Transmission filter and fluids were change two years ago, about 2k miles. Anybody have insight? clay This is the car that has had all sorts of issues is it not? Timing and fuel mixture can be an issue with overheating if I am not mistaken. Too soon, too late, or bad advance mechanism, too rich, or too lean. All of the above, some of the above etc. It all needs to work together. Was the oil thin? Did it smell of fuel? Was there too much of it? Apart from that, if the engine seemed to be running fine, then is the rad plugged? Does the fan work? Is there anything missing on the vehicle that should be there, like a fan shroud or an air dam under the bumper etc? Is the coolant mixture ok? Too much or too little coolant with the water can make for problems. Some cars (not necessarily MBs) were built with marginal cooling to begin with. Big motor, tight engine compartment, smog controls etc so old age does not help them cope when they were not all that good when they were new. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World
The earthmoving equipment side of Cat is a totally different animal compared to their Power Systems business. The earthmoving guys have totally brainwashed the customers that the only service they can use is Cat, and to do anything that isn't recommended by the factory is heresy and can result in horrible, horrible things. It's actually a great thing for them, since they make boatloads of money off of this approach. With the exception of the prime power side, the standby generator community for the most part sees through a lot of this and as a result won't or doesn't follow a lot of their recommendations. Especially because there are plenty of competitors out there who can do the exact same thing for less, usually a lot less. Here's an example: Got a call one day from FedEx. They had a 300kW Cat generator at one of their facilities. The local Cat distributor had been maintaining it. It needed a cooling system flush and refill along with a set of batteries. We're talking about two 8D batteries and about 10 gallons of coolant. One of my guys could do the work in about two hours, three if they took their time. Caterpillar wanted $1800 to swap the batteries alone. We did the whole job for less than that and made a very nice profit. Nothing special here, we used proper industrial grade batteries and coolant on the Cat approved fluids list. Needless to say that we signed a nice annual maintenance agreement with them shortly after the work was completed. The local Cat distributor was notorious for this sort of stuff, and their approach was no different than the others - if it's Cat, you're going to pay a premium for the parts and service. Here's another - one of my favorites: The Department of Corrections got a deal on some surplus generators from the Iraq invasion. A couple of 400kW Caterpillar units. But - and here's the catch - they were 50Hz units. Oooops! So the State brings the Cat guys in. They say the injection pumps need to be replaced to the tune of many thousands of dollars. Now understand that the only thing that needs to happen is the speed of the engines has to be increased from 1500 RPM to 1800 RPM. According to the Cat guys you can't just turn up the speed, as they won't fuel properly, etc., etc. We have a contract with the Dept. of Corrections for many of their sites. Their head generator guy calls us out to look things over. We gather all the information we can and then go consult with our diesel fuel and injection supplier. What do we need to do? Replace a $3.00 spring in the injection pumps and turn up the speed. This is all they would do on the bench to accomplish what is needed. We replace the springs and run a four hour 100% load bank test to prove the units will do what is expected. I think our final bill was around $2,500. Cat had quoted them something like $17,000 if memory serves me correctly. They were our best customer. We just followed them around and picked off customers left and right. Dan On Jul 16, 2014, at 6:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My experience with Caterpillar is limited to earthmovers where everybody does the samples. They sample hydraulic fluid too, a breakdown at a job site is way more expensive than pulling samples. I was under the impression over the road truckers were doing it too, another case where a breakdown simply isn't worth it. I'm a little surprised there aren't systems to polish the oil or heat the condensation out of it. Seems like a little heat would be big savings if we were talking about that substantial an amount of oil. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World On Jul 16, 2014, at 5:38 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Is the lack of analysis on stationary engines a factor of short run times? Mostly. Because of the typical short cycle times, the oil is often contaminated by condensation in the engine. This is exacerbated by the engines rarely being run under load, and even then the load is fairly small. It's not uncommon to find the waxy white deposits in the bottom of the crankcase in these engines due to their not getting hot enough to boil off moisture in the crankcase. Caterpillar has a super aggressive program of analysis that helps them keep machines running for way longer than ever before and lowers maintenance costs by allowing fluids to run longer. If I had an engine with a sump that held 100 gallons you bet I'd want to get all I could out of that oil, changing it early would be crazy talk compared to running a $20 analysis... Caterpillar does this themselves, but I can tell you from direct experience that very few of their standby power end users do it. The
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World
Depends on what you're looking for. If the idea is just to figure out a safe OCI you make a couple tests, like 5,000, 7,500, 10,000. If 10,000 looks good its probably fine to repeat. If 10,000 looks marginal you could make another run at it (I had to do that with my '85 190D, the previous owner must have used crappy oil and the M1 cleaned the engine over time) or go back to your last good test interval and call that good enough. For instance with my '85 190D I once took it all the way to 15,000 and the oil still tested fine. I dropped back to 10,000 mile OCI (twice a year at the time) and called that good enough since it meant I could change the oil in the fall and not worry about it all winter plus I knew I had a good safety margin. If the idea is to really watch for changes in the engine then ongoing samples are called for but it sounds like thats something you're not interested in. Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World Not sure I understand. Every industrial engine sampling program I ever ran was sampled on a regular schedule. I understand the baseline concept, but in the programs I worked with we would sample several times a year to determine the oil condition to determine when it was exhausted and should be changed. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 16, 2014, at 6:34 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You know you don't continue with the samples right? You get a good baseline and then continue with your OCI... Plus this gives you a baseline so you know whats inside your engine... -Curt From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World I just did the math on this and it doesn't make sense. Here's what I'm thinking: 7.5 quarts of oil = $34.50 Oil filter = $10.00 Oil change total = $44.50 Twice a year = $89.00 Oil change = $44.50 Oil samples = $60.00 Once a year oil change + samples = $104.50 I could dink around with the frequencies of samplings and changes, but let's say you do it over a year as shown above. You're spending more than two oil changes. Push it out to 18 months and the difference is marginal at best. The numbers just don't add up or make sense to me. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 16, 2014, at 5:55 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: One last thing and I'll shut up, the analysis is so easy the hassle and expense is laughable. Remember you do it 3-5 times which shows you the duration that the oil is viable. You contact Larry and give him $60, he sends you 3 bellows bottles. You put the tube down the dipstick hole, crush all the air out of the bottle and then suck up a sample. Put on the cap, put it in a baggie, fill out the paperwork, put the bottle/baggie in the prepaid mailer and then drop it in the mail. Later he emails you results and sends a paper copy in the mail. Couldn't possibly be easier unless somebody did it for you. I wish I could find the post on TDIclub where they talked about the oil being more abrasive than it ought to at first but I can't. When I find it again I'll let you know. Interestingly if you try googling around theres quite the rift. Many of the car sites like Edmunds are pushing people away from the 3,000 mile oil change but theres several shop pages pushing people back to it. The later are suggesting that cars are sludging up and failing because of infrequent oil changes. What they aren't saying is that extended OCI on conventional oils or cars that require synthetic is probably they cause... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World
This SOP for industrial engines. You sample on a regular basis, after a few samples you have a baseline and then you just compare each new one to determine if there is excessive or unusual wear in a particular area. Same thing for hydraulic fluids. Your Cat buddies are watching for changes in the chemical and metal levels in the oil to see how the engine is wearing. They'll also look at the oil condition as well. You can pretty well estimate when you need specific services on the engine based on changes in the levels of certain metals. That's how they'll decide to do valve jobs, replace bearings, etc. We;re talking about engines with thousands of hours on them. too. This is in lieu of using a chronological framework to establish maintenance levels. Over the long term it makes a lot of sense and is the least expensive way to maintain things. It also allows them to anticipate certain maintenance jobs as well. Dan On Jul 16, 2014, at 7:51 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If the idea is to really watch for changes in the engine then ongoing samples are called for but it sounds like thats something you're not interested in. Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 Body Panels
Dan wrote: Wasn't there a place in Cleveland that made all sorts of replacement panels for cars? I thought it was a place in MI that sold panels and floors. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Another Fkying Tale
How about this thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzr313wSY_Y mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World
--R wrote: It's the best oil for your Mercedes nuttin' like an oil thread to spark more traffic mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World
It is my understanding that BIG Diesels have additional filtering that removes soot from the oil but these soot filters are not cost-effective for our little automotive Diesels. Obviously, a worn Diesel will allow a lot more soot to get in the oil so maybe sampling would allow extended change intervals for a new tight engine. My one remaining Diesel car may have a tight engine but it is far from new and my use of that car is inconsistent. So I change by miles or calendar (annual), whichever comes first, and skip sampling. If I drove a lot of miles on that car I might have a different strategy. Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 6:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World On Jul 16, 2014, at 5:38 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Is the lack of analysis on stationary engines a factor of short run times? Mostly. Because of the typical short cycle times, the oil is often contaminated by condensation in the engine. This is exacerbated by the engines rarely being run under load, and even then the load is fairly small. It's not uncommon to find the waxy white deposits in the bottom of the crankcase in these engines due to their not getting hot enough to boil off moisture in the crankcase. Caterpillar has a super aggressive program of analysis that helps them keep machines running for way longer than ever before and lowers maintenance costs by allowing fluids to run longer. If I had an engine with a sump that held 100 gallons you bet I'd want to get all I could out of that oil, changing it early would be crazy talk compared to running a $20 analysis... Caterpillar does this themselves, but I can tell you from direct experience that very few of their standby power end users do it. The expense is often seen as something of an extravagance, and since the typical life of these units far exceeds their service life, most customers forego sampling. Customers who have fleet operations will do it as they have the programs in place already. Prime power users will do it due to cost. It's the ones who have one or two units onsite that balk at the expense. Understand that a typical oil analysis for an industrial engine from a certified lab can run into several hundred dollars by the time it's marked up by the service provider. Ask one of those Cat customers what an oil sample costs them. I find it interesting that the Mercedes Martha Stewart doesn't care about whats going on INSIDE the engine. My cars get the opposite treatment, I don't really mind what they look like, they have to perform. Then again I drive like 4x as much as you do. My cars perform, and perform well. If I found that my cam bearings were wearing, for example, I would dump the car. It's not that I don't care, as that would suggest that I don't maintain or follow MBs recommendations, and that's simply not true. I follow the service intervals religiously. With that in mind, my expectations are that the car(s) should last as long or longer than MB would predict. If fluid sampling was relevant or added value under normal operation, I would do it. Mercedes doesn't consider it necessary, nor does any other car manufacturer. Again, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with it. In my mind, it's overkill and the cost doesn't justify the expense, that's all. Dan From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World I am changing about every 5k-6k and I'm perfectly happy with that. If the oil hasn't broken in (and I would like to see the citations for these claims) by then it's not going to. For almost 25 years I worked with industrial diesels with 1000s of HP that had sumps well beyond 100 gallons. Almost every one of them was changed on a calendar basis, only a few were changed based on oil analysis. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with oil analysis, in fact, when done properly it can provide a wealth of information about the engine. In the stationary engine business, about the only people who do oil analysis are those who have an aggressive maintenance program that pays close attention to everything, and/or those running engines in prime power (continuous) operation. Everyone else does it every two years or so. Quite frankly, I don't care to do it and I don't want the additional hassle and expense. I'll just change mine on the intervals I'm happy with and continue on. And yes, we could argue that I would save money in the long run, but I'm not that interested in doing so. I'm just more comfortable with changing the oil and filter out at the mileage or time I think is
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World
For the most part large displacement stationary diesels have nothing more than banks of large spin on or cartridge type filters, much like you would find on your car engine. They're just larger and often in multiples in order to provide a larger filter area for the much larger oil volume. Some prime power stationary diesels can have centrifugal filters as well. These are literally centrifuges that spin the oil at very high RPMs in order to remove particulates. There are also particulate traps installed on the exhaust, but when I was still in the business these were in their infancy. They weren't very efficient and required frequent service. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 16, 2014, at 8:52 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It is my understanding that BIG Diesels have additional filtering that removes soot from the oil but these soot filters are not cost-effective for our little automotive Diesels. Obviously, a worn Diesel will allow a lot more soot to get in the oil so maybe sampling would allow extended change intervals for a new tight engine. My one remaining Diesel car may have a tight engine but it is far from new and my use of that car is inconsistent. So I change by miles or calendar (annual), whichever comes first, and skip sampling. If I drove a lot of miles on that car I might have a different strategy. Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 6:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World On Jul 16, 2014, at 5:38 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Is the lack of analysis on stationary engines a factor of short run times? Mostly. Because of the typical short cycle times, the oil is often contaminated by condensation in the engine. This is exacerbated by the engines rarely being run under load, and even then the load is fairly small. It's not uncommon to find the waxy white deposits in the bottom of the crankcase in these engines due to their not getting hot enough to boil off moisture in the crankcase. Caterpillar has a super aggressive program of analysis that helps them keep machines running for way longer than ever before and lowers maintenance costs by allowing fluids to run longer. If I had an engine with a sump that held 100 gallons you bet I'd want to get all I could out of that oil, changing it early would be crazy talk compared to running a $20 analysis... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 Body Panels
Try KK manufacturing. They used to make nearly all the body panels for W115 and W109 cars, so it's possible they do W123s as well. Don't know for a fact since it's been a while since I thought about restoring one. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World
All of my (previous) MB Diesels with at or over 200,000 miles were sampled, and determined that at 15,000 mile change intervals they could go another 3-5k miles due to soot level. All other elements were in tolerance as well. Bear in mind that they leaked enough oil that there were several quarts added between changes. The plus side was that my driveway was always nice and black and shed water like a duck's back. On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Obviously, a worn Diesel will allow a lot more soot to get in the oil so maybe sampling would allow extended change intervals for a new tight engine. My one remaining Diesel car may have a tight engine but it is far from new and my use of that car is inconsistent. So I change by miles or calendar (annual), whichever comes first, and skip sampling. If I drove a lot of miles on that car I might have a different strategy. Scott -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World
Some prime power stationary diesels can have centrifugal filters as well. As do some small motorcycles! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World
As did Fiats, Renaults, and Simcas in the '60s and 70's. It was in the crank pulley. They did not have oil filters. You pulled the cover from the crank pulley and dug out the compressed sludge. On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Some prime power stationary diesels can have centrifugal filters as well. As do some small motorcycles! -- Jim -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 Body Panels
yeah, that's the one dickarde always talks about On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 9:56 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Try KK manufacturing. They used to make nearly all the body panels for W115 and W109 cars, so it's possible they do W123s as well. Don't know for a fact since it's been a while since I thought about restoring one. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.