Re: [MBZ] 123 Body Panels

2014-07-17 Thread Mike Esh via Mercedes

I bought a couple of floor boards from these guys last year.  They may have 
what you are looking for.

KK Manufacturing
951 Nine Mile Road
Sparta MI, 49435
616 784 4286

Michael E. Esh
me...@horizonenv.com
michael...@mac.com
http://www.yugster.com/invite/138123
(C) 231.286.2344


On Jul 16, 2014, at 04:13 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
wrote:


Does anyone have a clue where to get steel reproduction floor and body panels 
for coupe and sedan 123's?

Jaime?
Jabba?‎

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Body Panels

2014-07-17 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Eckler's MB parts has some fenders  hoods for some models like 107  140.
Not sure about 123.
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Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World

2014-07-17 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I change every 5k.

Yeah, I know, I know.  Cheap insurance and we're typically talking about twice 
a year for each car if that.

Since the climate down here is nasty a good part of the year, I'm sure the oil 
takes a beating as it is. I'm sure I could go longer, but every six months is a 
good interval any way.



You talking about freezing weather, short trips that don't get the oil hot 
enough to force out the H2O, dusty dirt roads, etc?


I suppose FL humidity combined with trip distances under 2 miles could be hard 
on the oil, but other than that, it should be far kinder to the oil than, say, 
Wisconsin.
Current M1 might not hold up under heat as well as 1970's near-pure PAO M1, but 
nobody really needs 400°F+ heat resistance for their S500's oil.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World

2014-07-17 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I'm gonna call shenanigans. Nobody has ever been able to prove that anything 
has changed with M1. The samples I took last year look just like the ones I 
took in 2006 and say the oil is good to at least 10k in my 190D.


The talk I heard was shortly after the Castrol Syntec legal actions in the 
1990s. Once Castrol/Quaker State got the FTC to back off on requiring them to 
actually put synthesized molecules in the bottles labeled 'synthetic', then 
everybody started copying their business model.


The funny thing was that in 1992, black bottle Syntec was marketed as a premium 
product, sold for $5 a quart when M1 was $4 a quart and it was somewhat common 
to see M1 on sale for $2.99. I got Syntec for less than M1 after rebate in 1992 
or 1993, found that me car suddenly 'used' oil with the Syntec in the sump. Had 
to add a quart after 2000 miles or so. Took out the 5w50 Castrol, put in 5W30 
M1, and consumption went back to 1/2 qt in 7500 miles. At the time I wondered if 
the Syntec cooked down or evaporated, and I never used it again. With the FTC 
action a few years later, I was convinced that heat caused a reduction in volume 
of Syntec that didn't happen with M1.


When I look back on that $0.999 premium gas and $3.99 Mobil One, I realize what 
a bargain it would be to get the same quality M1 today for $23 per 5 quarts when 
premium gas is $3.75.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World

2014-07-17 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

All of my (previous) MB Diesels with at or over 200,000 miles were sampled,
and determined that at 15,000 mile change intervals they could go another
3-5k miles due to soot level. All other elements were in tolerance as well.
Bear in mind that they leaked enough oil that there were several quarts
added between changes. The plus side was that my driveway was always nice
and black and shed water like a duck's back.


I'd be leery of running a 190D or 124 diesel past 10k without changing the 
filter.
I'm probably being conservative, but I'd feel uncomfortable taking a 617 past 5k 
or 7k on one oil filter. (I might leave the oil in and run an analysis, but if 
the analysis came back good I'd keep the oil and swap the filter)


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar

2014-07-17 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

clay via Mercedes wrote:

The issue is sort of resolved now.  The vicious fan had died, and paired with the screw 
up job the shop did trying to remove a backfire, the thing now runs way to rich and is 
all out of whack.  I real D-jet mechanic will have to De-tune the tune up and 
fiddling to get it back to proper, but I can not make that payment today.

Same shop was supposed to have done a full synth oil change, but after 500 
miles, the stuff looked like nine year old diesel oil.  The job was not done.


Or the car polluted the oil like a carbureted car with the choke stuck on.

Mitch.

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[MBZ] CL Idiot -- price redused 2000 murcery mountainet

2014-07-17 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/4573291604.html


   price redused 2000 murcery mountainet now only$2,500.00 - $2500
   (goose creek)


condition: *excellent*


**

Excellent running suv mid size 17 MPG in town 22 on highway a daily 
driver very

Clean and dependable, good clean leather.

Call show contact info 
https://charleston.craigslist.org/fb/chs/cto/4573291604


The bad is a dent,on driver front fender douse not bother anything.
A crack in windshield.


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Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World

2014-07-17 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Analysis don't lie.

The weak point on 61x is the soot levels get high. I never took my 240D past 
8,000 miles.

-Curt



 From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
To: OK Don okd...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World
 

OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
 All of my (previous) MB Diesels with at or over 200,000 miles were sampled,
 and determined that at 15,000 mile change intervals they could go another
 3-5k miles due to soot level. All other elements were in tolerance as well.
 Bear in mind that they leaked enough oil that there were several quarts
 added between changes. The plus side was that my driveway was always nice
 and black and shed water like a duck's back.

I'd be leery of running a 190D or 124 diesel past 10k without changing the 
filter.
I'm probably being conservative, but I'd feel uncomfortable taking a 617 past 
5k 
or 7k on one oil filter. (I might leave the oil in and run an analysis, but if 
the analysis came back good I'd keep the oil and swap the filter)

Mitch.




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[MBZ] more on valve adjustment

2014-07-17 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
I have to say that the adjustment of the valves on my poor old engine 
appears to have been a success.

It starts easier and seems to run smoother.
I should have done it long ago.
Not much of a job really. Took some time but was about as easy as it 
gets apart from the one valve where the special wrenches did not fit well.
Managed to do it with the one bent wrench on the bottom nut and a 
shorter normal wrench on the top nut.




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Re: [MBZ] more on valve adjustment

2014-07-17 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Repeat the job in a few thousand miles -- when they are tight,  
carbon builds up on the valve stems, and gives you a false setting.   
As the carbon wears off with the added clearance, they go tight again  
and still don't seal.  If they go tight in a few thousand miles, set  
them at bit loose and see what happens in a few thousand -- often the  
engine runs much better as the valves begin to seat properly.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] more on valve adjustment

2014-07-17 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Attaboy!



 From: Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
To: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] more on valve adjustment
 

Repeat the job in a few thousand miles -- when they are tight,  
carbon builds up on the valve stems, and gives you a false setting.  
As the carbon wears off with the added clearance, they go tight again  
and still don't seal.  If they go tight in a few thousand miles, set  
them at bit loose and see what happens in a few thousand -- often the  
engine runs much better as the valves begin to seat properly.

Peter




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Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar

2014-07-17 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Those vicious fans need to be incarcerated to ensure our safety.


On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 clay via Mercedes wrote:

 The issue is sort of resolved now.  The vicious fan had died, and paired
 with the screw up job the shop did trying to remove a backfire, the thing
 now runs way to rich and is all out of whack.  I real D-jet mechanic will
 have to De-tune the tune up and fiddling to get it back to proper, but I
 can not make that payment today.

 Same shop was supposed to have done a full synth oil change, but after
 500 miles, the stuff looked like nine year old diesel oil.  The job was not
 done.


 Or the car polluted the oil like a carbureted car with the choke stuck on.

 Mitch.

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[MBZ] Suspension Rubber Quality for 126

2014-07-17 Thread Scott and Gwen Ritchey via Mercedes
Sorry if you get a double post on this but I accidently sent the original
from the wrong (i.e., non list) email account.


---

I have a 1982 300SD that still has all original (30+ year old) rubber bits
in the suspension and driveline.  The flex disks show cracks so I need to
replace them and probably the center bearing support too.  I remember how
good my 123 wagon drove with new rubber suspension bits so I'm considering
replacing all the old suspension rubber on the SD.  

 

Here's what I'd like to know:  Is the currently available 126 replacement
suspension rubber good quality?  If so, what are the good brands and what
should I avoid?

 

I don't want to go through all the trouble to replace the rubber with stuff
that will soon be worse than the old original rubber.

 

Thanks in advance for list wisdom.

 

Scott

 

 

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Re: [MBZ] Suspension Rubber Quality for 126

2014-07-17 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
‎Original Message  
From: Scott and Gwen Ritchey via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 1:28 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Reply To: Scott and Gwen Ritchey
Subject: [MBZ] Suspension Rubber Quality for 126


Here's what I'd like to know:  Is the currently available 126 replacement
suspension rubber good quality?

Probably. Gary Hurst aka Jabba can get them.   

If so, what are the good brands and what‎
should I avoid?

To purchase:
Whatever Gary Recommends. 

To avoid:
Üro. 

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Suspension Rubber Quality for 126

2014-07-17 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

I think we saw that.

I rebuilt the front suspension on one of my 84 SDs, not that hard of a 
job, you need the spring compressor, a vice, and some other random 
tools.  An air impact wrench helps a lot to get stuff apart, including 
an air hammer with pickle forks.  The manual gives sufficient details on 
how to do it all, I improvised a bit on pressing in the subframe mounts, 
no big deal.  I took some pics, I should probably post them some place.  
Might as well do brakes (and you will have to regrease bearings) while 
everything is apart.  Will need a new alignment after too.


I did the flex disks and center bearing on the other SD, again the 
manual explains it.  It was a bit tight doing a couple of the bolts but 
doable.  Remove the exhaust system and rear trans mount, put a floor 
jack under the tranny so you can keep it up, er, hold it from falling, 
er, well, you know...


I would not know about the rubber quality, I am sure it will be good 
enough for service, maybe not another 30 years but long enough. Looked 
OK to me but what do I know...


--R





On 7/17/14 2:28 PM, Scott and Gwen Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:

Sorry if you get a double post on this but I accidently sent the original
from the wrong (i.e., non list) email account.


---

I have a 1982 300SD that still has all original (30+ year old) rubber bits
in the suspension and driveline.  The flex disks show cracks so I need to
replace them and probably the center bearing support too.  I remember how
good my 123 wagon drove with new rubber suspension bits so I'm considering
replacing all the old suspension rubber on the SD.

  


Here's what I'd like to know:  Is the currently available 126 replacement
suspension rubber good quality?  If so, what are the good brands and what
should I avoid?

  


I don't want to go through all the trouble to replace the rubber with stuff
that will soon be worse than the old original rubber.

  


Thanks in advance for list wisdom.

  


Scott

  

  


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Re: [MBZ] Suspension Rubber Quality for 126

2014-07-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Unless Emperor Gary says otherwise, I would bite the bullet and buy OE for 
this. Rubber parts are so easy to cut corners on, and it's really tough to 
know/trust what you're getting if you go aftermarket.

If you look online I'll bet nearly everyone will try to sell you URO brand. 
These are, without exception, the worst possible parts you can put on your car 
in my opinion.

That being said, the last set of engine mounts I got from Rusty were supposed 
to be Lemforders, but I have since found they were from Taiwan and brand 
labeled. I would add that in under two years they have compressed/sagged 
significantly.

I paid Lemforder prices for them, too.

Dan 

 On Jul 17, 2014, at 2:28 PM, Scott and Gwen Ritchey via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Sorry if you get a double post on this but I accidently sent the original
 from the wrong (i.e., non list) email account.
 
 
 ---
 
 I have a 1982 300SD that still has all original (30+ year old) rubber bits
 in the suspension and driveline.  The flex disks show cracks so I need to
 replace them and probably the center bearing support too.  I remember how
 good my 123 wagon drove with new rubber suspension bits so I'm considering
 replacing all the old suspension rubber on the SD.  
 
 
 
 Here's what I'd like to know:  Is the currently available 126 replacement
 suspension rubber good quality?  If so, what are the good brands and what
 should I avoid?
 
 
 
 I don't want to go through all the trouble to replace the rubber with stuff
 that will soon be worse than the old original rubber.
 
 
 
 Thanks in advance for list wisdom.
 
 
 
 Scott
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Suspension Rubber Quality for 126

2014-07-17 Thread Gary Hurst via Mercedes
there's some good rubber still around but most is crap

sadly, hte way to make money in this business is to buy crap for 5 bucks
and tell people it's OE and charge them 50.

OEM flex discs are still available.  OEM mounts.  most of the mounts i sell
have had the star removed via razor blade.  it really depends on what
specific pieces are being sought

there are more and more pieces though where one is on the unenviable
position of having to choose between chinese for 10 bucks (or 50  for the
10 bucks item) or the real deal for 250 in a benz box that should cost the
50 you just got fleeced on the 10 dollar one

what can i say other than such is the world today  :(


On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Unless Emperor Gary says otherwise, I would bite the bullet and buy OE for
 this. Rubber parts are so easy to cut corners on, and it's really tough to
 know/trust what you're getting if you go aftermarket.

 If you look online I'll bet nearly everyone will try to sell you URO
 brand. These are, without exception, the worst possible parts you can put
 on your car in my opinion.

 That being said, the last set of engine mounts I got from Rusty were
 supposed to be Lemforders, but I have since found they were from Taiwan and
 brand labeled. I would add that in under two years they have
 compressed/sagged significantly.

 I paid Lemforder prices for them, too.

 Dan

  On Jul 17, 2014, at 2:28 PM, Scott and Gwen Ritchey via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  Sorry if you get a double post on this but I accidently sent the original
  from the wrong (i.e., non list) email account.
 
 
 
  ---
 
  I have a 1982 300SD that still has all original (30+ year old) rubber
 bits
  in the suspension and driveline.  The flex disks show cracks so I need to
  replace them and probably the center bearing support too.  I remember how
  good my 123 wagon drove with new rubber suspension bits so I'm
 considering
  replacing all the old suspension rubber on the SD.
 
 
 
  Here's what I'd like to know:  Is the currently available 126 replacement
  suspension rubber good quality?  If so, what are the good brands and what
  should I avoid?
 
 
 
  I don't want to go through all the trouble to replace the rubber with
 stuff
  that will soon be worse than the old original rubber.
 
 
 
  Thanks in advance for list wisdom.
 
 
 
  Scott
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Suspension Rubber Quality for 126

2014-07-17 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
I think Jabba got me the suspension bits for my SD.  Right?  That made 
me the best customer after the Trent debacle?


I don't know if it was crap or not,  but it was from the best parts 
supplier on the planet!


--R


On 7/17/14 2:49 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes wrote:

there's some good rubber still around but most is crap

sadly, hte way to make money in this business is to buy crap for 5 bucks
and tell people it's OE and charge them 50.

OEM flex discs are still available.  OEM mounts.  most of the mounts i sell
have had the star removed via razor blade.  it really depends on what
specific pieces are being sought

there are more and more pieces though where one is on the unenviable
position of having to choose between chinese for 10 bucks (or 50  for the
10 bucks item) or the real deal for 250 in a benz box that should cost the
50 you just got fleeced on the 10 dollar one

what can i say other than such is the world today  :(


On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


Unless Emperor Gary says otherwise, I would bite the bullet and buy OE for
this. Rubber parts are so easy to cut corners on, and it's really tough to
know/trust what you're getting if you go aftermarket.

If you look online I'll bet nearly everyone will try to sell you URO
brand. These are, without exception, the worst possible parts you can put
on your car in my opinion.

That being said, the last set of engine mounts I got from Rusty were
supposed to be Lemforders, but I have since found they were from Taiwan and
brand labeled. I would add that in under two years they have
compressed/sagged significantly.

I paid Lemforder prices for them, too.

Dan


On Jul 17, 2014, at 2:28 PM, Scott and Gwen Ritchey via Mercedes 

mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

Sorry if you get a double post on this but I accidently sent the original
from the wrong (i.e., non list) email account.





---

I have a 1982 300SD that still has all original (30+ year old) rubber

bits

in the suspension and driveline.  The flex disks show cracks so I need to
replace them and probably the center bearing support too.  I remember how
good my 123 wagon drove with new rubber suspension bits so I'm

considering

replacing all the old suspension rubber on the SD.



Here's what I'd like to know:  Is the currently available 126 replacement
suspension rubber good quality?  If so, what are the good brands and what
should I avoid?



I don't want to go through all the trouble to replace the rubber with

stuff

that will soon be worse than the old original rubber.



Thanks in advance for list wisdom.



Scott





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Re: [MBZ] Suspension Rubber Quality for 126

2014-07-17 Thread Gary Hurst via Mercedes
well, if i got them for you, they are the best




On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
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 I think Jabba got me the suspension bits for my SD.  Right?  That made me
 the best customer after the Trent debacle?

 I don't know if it was crap or not,  but it was from the best parts
 supplier on the planet!

 --R



 On 7/17/14 2:49 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes wrote:

 there's some good rubber still around but most is crap

 sadly, hte way to make money in this business is to buy crap for 5 bucks
 and tell people it's OE and charge them 50.

 OEM flex discs are still available.  OEM mounts.  most of the mounts i
 sell
 have had the star removed via razor blade.  it really depends on what
 specific pieces are being sought

 there are more and more pieces though where one is on the unenviable
 position of having to choose between chinese for 10 bucks (or 50  for the
 10 bucks item) or the real deal for 250 in a benz box that should cost the
 50 you just got fleeced on the 10 dollar one

 what can i say other than such is the world today  :(


 On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  Unless Emperor Gary says otherwise, I would bite the bullet and buy OE
 for
 this. Rubber parts are so easy to cut corners on, and it's really tough
 to
 know/trust what you're getting if you go aftermarket.

 If you look online I'll bet nearly everyone will try to sell you URO
 brand. These are, without exception, the worst possible parts you can put
 on your car in my opinion.

 That being said, the last set of engine mounts I got from Rusty were
 supposed to be Lemforders, but I have since found they were from Taiwan
 and
 brand labeled. I would add that in under two years they have
 compressed/sagged significantly.

 I paid Lemforder prices for them, too.

 Dan

  On Jul 17, 2014, at 2:28 PM, Scott and Gwen Ritchey via Mercedes 

 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Sorry if you get a double post on this but I accidently sent the
 original
 from the wrong (i.e., non list) email account.


  
 

 ---

 I have a 1982 300SD that still has all original (30+ year old) rubber

 bits

 in the suspension and driveline.  The flex disks show cracks so I need
 to
 replace them and probably the center bearing support too.  I remember
 how
 good my 123 wagon drove with new rubber suspension bits so I'm

 considering

 replacing all the old suspension rubber on the SD.



 Here's what I'd like to know:  Is the currently available 126
 replacement
 suspension rubber good quality?  If so, what are the good brands and
 what
 should I avoid?



 I don't want to go through all the trouble to replace the rubber with

 stuff

 that will soon be worse than the old original rubber.



 Thanks in advance for list wisdom.



 Scott





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[MBZ] not everybody likes Merceedez

2014-07-17 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/merceedez-wright-curfew/

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[MBZ] Leaky W123 front w/s

2014-07-17 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
By a careful, scientific process of elimination I've determined that the
water dripping on the emergency brake foot pedal is from the front
windshield.  The w/s was installed at the dealer under my insurance policy
about 5 years ago.  I do not know if the subcontractor that actually did
the work (probably Banner Glass) used an OEM seal, but the glass was OEM
Securit or Segla; the dealer even gave me an inspected-by-Carl-Benz ticker.

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Re: [MBZ] not everybody likes Merceedez

2014-07-17 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Finally, someone with a post that has Merceedez content..


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Re: [MBZ] Leaky W123 front w/s

2014-07-17 Thread Gary Hurst via Mercedes
odd are that they used a URO seal.  benz dealer wants almost 200 bucks for
one


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 By a careful, scientific process of elimination I've determined that the
 water dripping on the emergency brake foot pedal is from the front
 windshield.  The w/s was installed at the dealer under my insurance policy
 about 5 years ago.  I do not know if the subcontractor that actually did
 the work (probably Banner Glass) used an OEM seal, but the glass was OEM
 Securit or Segla; the dealer even gave me an inspected-by-Carl-Benz ticker.

 So do I go to a glass shop and have them reseal it?  Do it myself?  Or
 should I purchase a new GERMAN seal and have a glass shop R/R the glass
 with the new OEM seal?
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Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 $23 at Wally World

2014-07-17 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Just bought 3 jugs of 15w50 @ $22.66 each at local evil W.
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Re: [MBZ] Leaky W123 front w/s

2014-07-17 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
I'd go back to the dealer if they were the primary mover on the 
replacement.  Let them sort it out.


--R


On 7/17/14 4:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

By a careful, scientific process of elimination I've determined that the
water dripping on the emergency brake foot pedal is from the front
windshield.  The w/s was installed at the dealer under my insurance policy
about 5 years ago.  I do not know if the subcontractor that actually did
the work (probably Banner Glass) used an OEM seal, but the glass was OEM
Securit or Segla; the dealer even gave me an inspected-by-Carl-Benz ticker.

So do I go to a glass shop and have them reseal it?  Do it myself?  Or
should I purchase a new GERMAN seal and have a glass shop R/R the glass
with the new OEM seal?
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Re: [MBZ] Leaky W123 front w/s

2014-07-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
After five years the dealer is going to tell you to bugger off.

You might want to talk to your insurance company and see if they'll make the 
inquiry.  It carries far more weight coming from them.

Otherwise, I would chalk it up to experience and buy an OE seal and have a 
glass company RR it.  That way you'll know it's right.

Randy Steele showed me the differences between an OE and aftermarket W123 
windshield seal years ago.  The differences are very subtle, but they manifest 
themselves exactly the way you've discovered.

Dan

 
On Jul 17, 2014, at 4:46 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
wrote:

 I'd go back to the dealer if they were the primary mover on the replacement.  
 Let them sort it out.
 
 --R
 
 
 On 7/17/14 4:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
 By a careful, scientific process of elimination I've determined that the
 water dripping on the emergency brake foot pedal is from the front
 windshield.  The w/s was installed at the dealer under my insurance policy
 about 5 years ago.  I do not know if the subcontractor that actually did
 the work (probably Banner Glass) used an OEM seal, but the glass was OEM
 Securit or Segla; the dealer even gave me an inspected-by-Carl-Benz ticker.
 
 So do I go to a glass shop and have them reseal it?  Do it myself?  Or
 should I purchase a new GERMAN seal and have a glass shop R/R the glass
 with the new OEM seal?
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[MBZ] Today's BenzWorld Crackhead

2014-07-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I know that W124 500Es can be desirable, but

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2083697-finally-500e-sale-pics-description.html#post9490385

clear coat on the roof was fading so it's been wrapped
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Re: [MBZ] Today's BenzWorld Crackhead

2014-07-17 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Sounds pimped to me. I know it was handmade by Ferdinand but 15k?
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 I know that W124 500Es can be desirable, but


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Re: [MBZ] Today's BenzWorld Crackhead

2014-07-17 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
According to Dave M, the price is on the high side but not a bad 
price.



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I know that W124 500Es can be desirable, but

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2083697-finally-500e-sale-pics-description.html#post9490385

clear coat on the roof was fading so it's been wrapped
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Re: [MBZ] Today's BenzWorld Crackhead

2014-07-17 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Two on hemmings, one for 25k, one for 49k.
On Jul 17, 2014 6:29 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 According to Dave M, the price is on the high side but not a bad price.


 On 7/17/2014 4:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

 I know that W124 500Es can be desirable, but

 http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-
 giveaway/2083697-finally-500e-sale-pics-description.html#post9490385

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Re: [MBZ] Today's BenzWorld Crackhead

2014-07-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
That's crazy.  I know they're rare, but $25k? $49K?

No way.

I don't put a lot of faith in prices on Hemmings, as there's no way to know if 
they ever sell for the asking price.  Let me see some auction results.

Should we ask the Choirboy?  He would know.

Dan


On Jul 17, 2014, at 6:31 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
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 Two on hemmings, one for 25k, one for 49k.
 On Jul 17, 2014 6:29 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 According to Dave M, the price is on the high side but not a bad price.
 
 


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[MBZ] Oh the pain!

2014-07-17 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

http://jalopnik.com/heres-what-happens-when-you-crash-a-smart-fortwo-into-a-1606829815

--R



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[MBZ] MH17 Shot Down By Howard Stern's Ass

2014-07-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Listen to this eyewitness report on MSNBC:

http://jalopnik.com/caller-tells-msnbc-host-mh71-shot-down-by-howard-sterns-1606812900

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] MH17 Shot Down By Howard Stern's Ass

2014-07-17 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I love how the news droid completely misses from Howard Stern's ass and 
continues like she's going to salvage something out of it...

-Curt



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Subject: [MBZ] MH17 Shot Down By Howard Stern's Ass
 

Listen to this eyewitness report on MSNBC:

http://jalopnik.com/caller-tells-msnbc-host-mh71-shot-down-by-howard-sterns-1606812900

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Today's BenzWorld Crackhead

2014-07-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Look at the pictures of this thing.  It appears to be somewhat thrashed.  No 
engine compartment photos, either.  Hmm.

Dan

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 That's crazy.  I know they're rare, but $25k? $49K?
 
 No way.
 
 I don't put a lot of faith in prices on Hemmings, as there's no way to know 
 if they ever sell for the asking price.  Let me see some auction results.
 
 Should we ask the Choirboy?  He would know.
 
 Dan
 
 
 On Jul 17, 2014, at 6:31 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Two on hemmings, one for 25k, one for 49k.
 On Jul 17, 2014 6:29 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 According to Dave M, the price is on the high side but not a bad price.


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Re: [MBZ] Today's BenzWorld Crackhead

2014-07-17 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Those 500 guys pay crazy money for them

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 17, 2014, at 6:20 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Look at the pictures of this thing.  It appears to be somewhat thrashed.  No 
 engine compartment photos, either.  Hmm.
 
 Dan
 
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 wrote:
 
 That's crazy.  I know they're rare, but $25k? $49K?
 
 No way.
 
 I don't put a lot of faith in prices on Hemmings, as there's no way to know 
 if they ever sell for the asking price.  Let me see some auction results.
 
 Should we ask the Choirboy?  He would know.
 
 Dan
 
 
 On Jul 17, 2014, at 6:31 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Two on hemmings, one for 25k, one for 49k.
 On Jul 17, 2014 6:29 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 According to Dave M, the price is on the high side but not a bad price.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's BenzWorld Crackhead

2014-07-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
He claims 95% restored in the ad, but it that's 95% restored I would hate to 
see one that's only 80% restored.

And why would you wrap the roof if the clear coat is bad?


On Jul 17, 2014, at 7:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:

 Those 500 guys pay crazy money for them
 
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Re: [MBZ] MH17 Shot Down By Howard Stern's Ass

2014-07-17 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Bababooey!

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Listen to this eyewitness report on MSNBC:

http://jalopnik.com/caller-tells-msnbc-host-mh71-shot-down-by-howard-sterns-1606812900

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Today's BenzWorld Crackhead

2014-07-17 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Look at the pictures of this thing.  It appears to be somewhat thrashed.  No 
engine compartment photos, either.  Hmm.


What's the correct wheel offset on the 500E, is it much different from a 300E?

I ask because the wheels he thinks look so cool are:
Most likely ET18 front and ET17 rear.

Wide wheels with 3/4 offset might work on a W123, but seem like they'd be wrong 
with normal W201/W124 suspension geometry.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Oh the pain!

2014-07-17 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Pretty amazing demo.  I want to buy a Smart electric - eventually.


On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
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 http://jalopnik.com/heres-what-happens-when-you-crash-a-
 smart-fortwo-into-a-1606829815

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Re: [MBZ] MH17 Shot Down By Howard Stern's Ass

2014-07-17 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Was the footage real that showed intact passports and other objects?


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 Bababooey!

 --R (sent from my miniPad)

 On Jul 17, 2014, at 7:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Listen to this eyewitness report on MSNBC:


 http://jalopnik.com/caller-tells-msnbc-host-mh71-shot-down-by-howard-sterns-1606812900

 Dan
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Re: [MBZ] MH17 Shot Down By Howard Stern's Ass

2014-07-17 Thread Gary Hurst via Mercedes
and i sees OJ slinkin up


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 Bababooey!

 --R (sent from my miniPad)

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 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Listen to this eyewitness report on MSNBC:


 http://jalopnik.com/caller-tells-msnbc-host-mh71-shot-down-by-howard-sterns-1606812900

 Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Leaky W123 front w/s

2014-07-17 Thread David Bruckmann via Mercedes
You can try using some official MB windshield sealant under the lip where the 
glass sits in the seal. It is A0019893120, about $25 for a big cartridge that 
fits in a grease gun. It stays pliable for years, not silicone-based. Made in 
Holland.


 On 7/17/14, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
 By a careful, scientific process of elimination I've determined that the
 water dripping on the emergency brake foot pedal is from the front
 windshield.  The w/s was installed at the dealer under my insurance policy
 about 5 years ago.  I do not know if the subcontractor that actually did
 the work (probably Banner Glass) used an OEM seal, but the glass was OEM
 Securit or Segla; the dealer even gave me an inspected-by-Carl-Benz ticker.
 
 So do I go to a glass shop and have them reseal it?  Do it myself?  Or
 should I purchase a new GERMAN seal and have a glass shop R/R the glass
 with the new OEM seal?


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Re: [MBZ] Leaky W123 front w/s

2014-07-17 Thread Gary Hurst via Mercedes
sounds like a plan to me!


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mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 You can try using some official MB windshield sealant under the lip where
 the glass sits in the seal. It is A0019893120, about $25 for a big
 cartridge that fits in a grease gun. It stays pliable for years, not
 silicone-based. Made in Holland.


  On 7/17/14, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
  By a careful, scientific process of elimination I've determined that the
  water dripping on the emergency brake foot pedal is from the front
  windshield.  The w/s was installed at the dealer under my insurance
 policy
  about 5 years ago.  I do not know if the subcontractor that actually did
  the work (probably Banner Glass) used an OEM seal, but the glass was OEM
  Securit or Segla; the dealer even gave me an inspected-by-Carl-Benz
 ticker.
 
  So do I go to a glass shop and have them reseal it?  Do it myself?  Or
  should I purchase a new GERMAN seal and have a glass shop R/R the glass
  with the new OEM seal?


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Re: [MBZ] Today's BenzWorld Crackhead

2014-07-17 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:30:52 -0400 Mitch Haley via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
  Look at the pictures of this thing.  It appears to be somewhat
  thrashed.  No engine compartment photos, either.  Hmm.
 
 What's the correct wheel offset on the 500E, is it much different from
 a 300E?
 
 I ask because the wheels he thinks look so cool are:
 Most likely ET18 front and ET17 rear.
 
 Wide wheels with 3/4 offset might work on a W123, but seem like they'd
 be wrong with normal W201/W124 suspension geometry.

The rims that came on our '94 E420 are:

16 W124 Wheels

210 401 06 02
7-1/2 J x 16 H2 ET 41


The wheels that were on our '95 E320 are:

15 W124 Wheels

124 401 18 02
6-1/2 J x 15 H2 ET 44



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[MBZ] Six Million Dollar tumbler

2014-07-17 Thread clay via Mercedes
Ok, not that expensive, but much like the 70's TV show, the ignition cylinder 
was rebuilt.  1974 450 SL

I had ordered a factory tumbler and key from the local dealer, per instruction 
from Classic Center.  That was April.  I got impatient and found a complete 
lock cylinder off fleabay and had my indy install that when I was able to get 
the locked up tumbler to turn.  I had intended the hardware to be back up if 
the old one had to be drilled.  I have been driving on two keys since May.  One 
for the doors, the other to light off.

I was thinking.  A very dangerous thing at times.  where in tarnation is my 
dang tumbler the Black Forest Elves are supposed to be making?  I need to 
contact the dealer to see if it got lost, but, being a lazy butt and it being 
hot outside, and I am not in the mood to pick up the phone, and would rather be 
lied to my face, than my ear, I have not done that.  Maybe in the morrow.

I recalled information about a local lock shop that can rebuild the tumbler and 
make me a coded key for it. That sounds interesting, I thunk to myself.  I have 
about seven gallons of waste oil that needed disposal, and the FLAPS was sort 
of on the way, so I packed up the dead lock set and took it to the shop.  

Feller at the shop grabs it and scurried off to the back with not much verbal 
interplay.  I stood about wondering what magic he intended, or had he absconded 
with my lock and was now posting it on Fleabay.  A few minutes later he came 
back and said it was fairly mucked up.  Four thirty.  Forty-five.

I heard $430.  ?? Forty five?  A range of price?  Nope.  He would charge me $45 
and have it ready by 1630.  SWEET!  Steel key and coded to the car.  Half the 
cost of the GERMAN tumbler.  I jumped on it.

When I picked it up, he assured me it was fully functional, but I should test 
it on the doors, just for good measure.  If it was not good, bring it back and 
he would adjust it.  I tried it on the doors.  Driver door was good, Passenger 
and trunk, not so much.  I will be driving the car there in the morning, after 
I get the bread dough out from rising over night in the ice box.


clay 

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