Re: [MBZ] good story

2014-09-12 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
That was good. The Electra had the small motor at 401 cid. I think most would likely have had the 455 cid. As he says, lots of torque. My b-in-l has a Ventura (think Nova) with a 455 and it will smoke the tires as long as you want to hold down the go pedal. RB On 12/09/2014 3:05 PM, Rich Thom

[MBZ] good story

2014-09-12 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
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Re: [MBZ] loud motorcycles

2014-09-12 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Earnest, can't see your (helmeted) head, it's lost in the clouds I'm with you on the lights, in college I used to ride a bicycle at night often, front and rear generator-powered lights really didn't cut it, when the flashing LED lights came out, I mounted one on the back of the bike and anothe

Re: [MBZ] N

2014-09-12 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
"Dude, that was like...2 years ago!" Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 12:24 PM To: Mitch Haley; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] N That's ancient histor

Re: [MBZ] N

2014-09-12 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
I notice that the article focuses on the victims only. Wouldn't any attempt to solve the problem need to focus on the perpetrators rather than the victims? Why is it only GUN violence that we wish to combat? Why not attack VIOLENCE as the root problem rather than focus only on guns? Remember th

[MBZ] Subject: Re: N

2014-09-12 Thread Addison Thompson via Mercedes
With all of the statistics and claims made about gun ownership, no one has mentioned the huge number of people SAVED through the defensive use of a gun each year. You'll never read about it in the main stream media but there have been several studies done that indicate numbers between 500,000 an

Re: [MBZ] loud motorcycles

2014-09-12 Thread ernest breakfield via Mercedes
if you don't go into riding a motorcycle in traffic with the same mindset you'd take into a Special Op in a Hot Zone, it's likely not going to be safe and/or fun for long. i have to be prepared to expect that people are likely to not see me and accept that, or there's no point in suiting up to

Re: [MBZ] commuting by bicycle

2014-09-12 Thread ernest breakfield via Mercedes
Andrew could best answer that, but i was thinking he's in the DC area, and if he's going into the office in Foggy Bottom, i don't recall much around there that's not flat. (even places like Capitol Heights and Oxon Hill aren't more than a couple-hunnert feet elevation. you can get closer to 400

Re: [MBZ] OT BBQ

2014-09-12 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
I will have a look but I think the issue is that the burner tubes are wearing out. RB On 12/09/2014 11:20 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: The burner I put in mine is aftermarket, its been great. Remember that you're not going to be able to buy much of a grill for $200. Have you tried cl

Re: [MBZ] OT BBQ

2014-09-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
The burner I put in mine is aftermarket, its been great. Remember that you're not going to be able to buy much of a grill for $200. Have you tried cleaning yours? Again if its mostly yellow flames maybe theres something clogging an air intake? -Curt From: Ran

Re: [MBZ] OT BBQ

2014-09-12 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Just took a look online. Appears that Vermont Castings has given up on my model as they show almost all of the parts as "not in stock". Aftermarket parts appear to be available but also appears that it will cost at least $200 to replace the 3 burner tubes at roughly $25 each and about the same f

Re: [MBZ] commuting by bicycle

2014-09-12 Thread Gary Hurst via Mercedes
you should try to ride on the beach down here On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I ride all year around here, I like the summer warmth. 3.5mi down to the > beach, a mile or two on the beach, then back, clears the head and gets the > blood

Re: [MBZ] Generator doesn't generate

2014-09-12 Thread John Reames via Mercedes
A lot of portable generators have the white wire tied to the bare/green ground; that is the grounded conductor is tied to the grounding one. This makes the generator a "separately derived power source", which needs special treatment. The underlying issue is that (for safety reasons), the gro

Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius

2014-09-12 Thread astrasfogel--- via Mercedes
Sounds insanely cheap. -- Sent from myMail app for Android Friday, 12 September 2014, 04:48AM -0400 from John Reames : How about a cheap new vehicle. Lease a smart ED with the battery assurance plus (BAP). Note that MBUSA has captured and retained the $7500 federal incentive, but it's passed on

Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners

2014-09-12 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
We too have a Vermont Castings BBQ at home. I think it is 10 or more years old. Cannot recall exactly how long we have had it. It is different than the one you describe as it has 3 stainless steel tube burners that run front to back and W shaped heat shields and no rock or ceramics. It was relat

Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners

2014-09-12 Thread John Reames via Mercedes
I've got an old style Ducane, bought it before Weber killed all the old aluminum ones off. After 8+ years, I finally had a problem--the rotary igniter seized. I lit it with a match through the handy holes in the front made for that purpose, then ordered a new one for something like $15. I sup

Re: [MBZ] Generator doesn't generate

2014-09-12 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I'm not sure why they would have a 120/240 socket without the genres to being wired that way. If you have the cover off the junction box it would be easy enough to check. The generator is a four lead machine, so there will be four large wires coming out typically labeled 1,2,3 &4. 1 and 2 are o

Re: [MBZ] turbo update 82 300td

2014-09-12 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
On the flip side, a bad turbo will make no noise at all, since it's not turning very fast if at all. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mai

Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners

2014-09-12 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Lol, I'm resisting the temptation of some copper cookware at Tuesday Morning -- I need more pots and pans like I need to be kicked down the stairs, but copper is SO nice to cook on and they are fairly reasonable. I've already replaced the Farberware my sister bought Mom 30 years ago. It's

Re: [MBZ] turbo update 82 300td

2014-09-12 Thread rogerhga--- via Mercedes
Peter, I'll second the silent turbo on old Benzes.  My 83 300D has 360,000 miles and my 80 300SD has around 425,000 miles and I've never heard the turbo in the approximately 18 years that I've owned them.  I agree, if you hear the turbo, it's an exhaust leak or a bad turbo. Best Wishes,

Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners

2014-09-12 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Well, actually I did intend to use them. Thought my son would, he was living in a Philly row house that had a deck on the roof but I think all they did was drink beer up there so he never got it out. And we used to go to the beach all the time and cook there, but here we can't drive on the bea

Re: [MBZ] Generator doesn't generate

2014-09-12 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
One last question. If my four pole twistlock outlet is labeled 120v/240v, is there any need to test the generator, or is it safe to just assume you can power a 120v/240v breaker box with it? (I've heard that some generators don't have a solid neutral that splits the 240v outlet into two safe 12

Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners

2014-09-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
You sound like my wife "its such a great deal we should buy it!" even though we don't need it and will never use it... -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT propane burne

Re: [MBZ] commuting by bicycle

2014-09-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I travel 59 miles each way on the highway with an elevation change of 300 feet that is made mostly in 2 hills. It'd be one of those where I'd have to leave for work as soon as I got home. I'd get in good shape though :) -Curt From: Peter Frederick via Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners

2014-09-12 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
I was at Lowes one day 3 or 4 years ago, they were having a parking lot sale cleaning out a lot of random stuff. They had 2 portable SS grills new in boxes, were like $100 originally, marked down to $20. I bought both of them just because, gave one to my son who never used it, so I got that ba

Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners

2014-09-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
That sounds about right. Remember the price of grills hasn't risen appreciably in the last 15 years. We looked at grills for camp and decided on a KMart $99 unit which has served us surprisingly well. At home I have a Vermont Castings unit that a co-worker replaced with a $600 Webber. The VC I g

Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners

2014-09-12 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Mine was a bit weak on the heat output so I bored out a coupla the nozzles and now I can cook a steak in about 3 seconds. Works much better. The other 2 are stock and better for slow cooking. --R On 9/12/14 9:59 AM, Peter Frederick wrote: I have an ancient Arkla (probably made right here in

Re: [MBZ] commuting by bicycle

2014-09-12 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
I'm 37 miles from work on major highways with significant hills. Not really possible to commute, even it good weather. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go

Re: [MBZ] turbo update 82 300td

2014-09-12 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
If you can actually hear the turbo whine and the air cleaner is installed, you have a bad turbo (unless you have a leak between turbo and intake -- check the 0-ring). MB turbos are usually silent, unlike the Volvo, where it sounds like a police siren a couple blocks away. Peter _

Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners

2014-09-12 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
I have an ancient Arkla (probably made right here in Evansville for Sears) that my BIL bought right after he and my sister got married in 1980. I'm on the fourth burner i think. Still works OK, but is still way too hot unless I cover the burner with a ceramic shield, and still catches fir

Re: [MBZ] Generator doesn't generate

2014-09-12 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
When the power went out last Friday, the generator had no governor spring. It started and idled fine, but no output. I blipped the throttle a few times, kept it revved up for 10 seconds or so, still no output, it went up from about 0.6v to 0.8v when revving it hard. Today I remembered where t

Re: [MBZ] commuting by bicycle

2014-09-12 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
I ride all year around here, I like the summer warmth. 3.5mi down to the beach, a mile or two on the beach, then back, clears the head and gets the blood flowing. --R On 9/11/14 6:42 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes wrote: summer are brutal for riding. i really only ride about 6 or 7 months a y

Re: [MBZ] turbo update 82 300td

2014-09-12 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Strong work. --R On 9/11/14 8:22 PM, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes wrote: Folks Well, i drove the car today It runs really well and is so quiet that i can again hear the turbo whine …. i think i could even get a speeding ticket, now … as always on WVO MUCH IMPROVED we'll see how the turbo

Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners

2014-09-12 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
I had one I managed to keep going for maybe 12 years, some of it was even aluminum that corroded. But send it back to China and a new one will show up soon, incorporating the old one. Or maybe a Toyota or something else. I have a SS grill now I got at Lowes maybe 10 years ago, it looks prett

Re: [MBZ] Generator doesn't generate

2014-09-12 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
That means only two possibilities. Bad winding or bad cap, assuming the brushes are good and making contact. Dan Sent from my iPad > On Sep 12, 2014, at 8:40 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > Just looked at the parts manual link. Capacitor excited set. ___

Re: [MBZ] Generator doesn't generate

2014-09-12 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Aside from taking the panel apart and checking the circuit breaker for the outlets, what are the troubleshooting steps? Do these respond to flashing? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscrib

Re: [MBZ] Generator doesn't generate

2014-09-12 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Just looked at the parts manual link. Capacitor excited set. > On Sep 12, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > With it running and a meter on the out put or a light bulb, put 12VDC to the > brush leads and see what the output does. > > If you get 40-80VAC out of it (or more)

Re: [MBZ] Generator doesn't generate

2014-09-12 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
With it running and a meter on the out put or a light bulb, put 12VDC to the brush leads and see what the output does. If you get 40-80VAC out of it (or more) the windings are OK. Sounds like it's a capacitive excited set, meaning it self excites using the capacitor. If you get output by separ

Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners

2014-09-12 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Same here Larry, I've given up on our propane grill. Food tastes so much better cooked over charcoal, that's all we use now, and the little Weber grill fits in the garage quite nicely. I kept our gas grill operational for years, so we'd have something to cook over in the event of an extended powe

Re: [MBZ] Generator doesn't generate

2014-09-12 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On September 12, 2014 at 6:57 AM Dan Penoff wrote: > > > Depends. > > With the cover off the alternator, are there brushes or is it brushless?   Brushes. $40 worth. http://www.mastertoolrepair.com/generator-alternator-parts-hu3650-hu36511-p-44952.html > If it's brushless there is probably a bi

Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners

2014-09-12 Thread LarryT via Mercedes
Speaking of Propane grills - we bought one 3 or 4 years ago and it has suffered from rusting very badly. It has little sheetmetal clips that hold the heat shields in place - all are basically gone from rust. i do keep my grill out side but its cover is always closed once the grill has cooled

Re: [MBZ] N

2014-09-12 Thread LarryT via Mercedes
that's a meaningless rebuttal... LarryT On 9/10/2014 3:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: That's ancient history. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What anti-gun laws? Possession of ha

Re: [MBZ] Generator doesn't generate

2014-09-12 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Depends. With the cover off the alternator, are there brushes or is it brushless? If it's brushless there is probably a big capacitor somewhere. Report back on what you find and we can go from there. Either way it's pretty simple, the methods are just different depending on what type of excita

Re: [MBZ] multi-purpose stalk on '84 300D

2014-09-12 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Yes, these can be brought back to life with a good cleaning. On my 123 wagon, I removed the stalk and took it apart for cleaning, to restore the wiper function. End cap can be pried off. On my 124 sedan, the optical horn contacts are at the base of the stalk. Didn't have to remove it, just pop o

Re: [MBZ] commuting by bicycle (was: Re: Testing Prius)

2014-09-12 Thread John Reames via Mercedes
I don't know whether his commute is flat or not. I have a 9.3 mile commute, which sounds nice and easy, but then you look at a topo map... In mine, the peak elevation is 397ft, the lowest is 59ft. In the first 2-2.5 miles, there is a single rise of 150ft in 0.2 miles distance, followed by a d

[MBZ] Generator doesn't generate

2014-09-12 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
I bought a Husky (Home Depot brand, appears to be a Homelite HU 3650) generator last fall. Subaru/Robin engine, apparently Chinese generator head. Engine/generator was loose from the chassis, air filter smashed, other than that looked new. Said to have been dropped while loading it on a pickup t

Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius

2014-09-12 Thread John Reames via Mercedes
How about a cheap new vehicle. Lease a smart ED with the battery assurance plus (BAP). Note that MBUSA has captured and retained the $7500 federal incentive, but it's passed on to you anyway. The finance charges on the lease work out to about 1%. Anyhow, the "official" deal is $999 down and $1