Re: [MBZ] Fw: CARbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71

2014-09-17 Thread Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes
It's a semi-automatic rifle, if you put a shorter barrel in it, it's 
still an automatic rifle in carbine configuration.
Technically to be an assault rifle it would need to have selective fire 
control.


Hendrik
who has been reading wikipedia

On 17/09/14 14:46, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Original Message
From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:21 PM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Reply To: Greg Fiorentino
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71

Actually, the discussion was mainly about nomenclature of an AR-15, and whether 
it is properly called a carbine, a rifle, or an assault rifle.

Actually, firearms are much closer to Mercedes content than are apple trees; 
since they are both the pinnacle of mechanical technology of their time.


I'm not opposed to discussing hardware, be it small arms, watches, washing 
machines, iPhone, or ‎Mercedes.

  Just don't mix in emotion, and or politics.

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] Daimler

2014-09-17 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
Interesting that around the early 1980s when Mercedes was having trouble 
selling cars, it was announced that henceforth the sales division would be 
running Mercedes rather than the engineering division.

A few years later it was announced that only the most expensive cars would be 
sold in the U.S.  That philosophy still seems to be in effect at Mercedes.

The expensive cars are fine for someone who is not interested in economy of 
operation (which includes repairs, price, and resale), but those of us who are 
must now look elsewhere if we want late model cars.
In terms of economy and reliability, the Japanese; especially Honda and Toyota; 
are the current champs although some European makes not imported to the U.S. 
may be better.

Gerry...who always look for cost of operation first.
..

OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 I suspect that is the result of market research and actual customer
 preferences. I don't think that this group represents the average new MB
 buyer. We are indeed, a relatively odd lot . . . .
 
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  I suspect there was considerable leakage of junk gizmo flashy crap into
  Mercedes from Chrysler.  The new cars are NOT like the old ones, rather
  tinny, full of electronic toys of dubious utility and designed in failure.
 
  And they are UGLY and very hard to see out of.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71

2014-09-17 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

After pulling tripe out of hog bellies on a meat packing company production 
line one summer at age 15 during WW-2, I never want to see a piece of trip 
again.  It's called omentum in medicine, stores fat, and wraps itself around 
infections, cancer, etc. when they occur in the belly.
If I want to eat fat, I'll eat that fine old Deep South dish called fatback 
or fat bacon; not tripe.
(end of rant)
Gerry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_omentum

..
 Jon Agne wrote:
  Tripe.  I love that word.
 
  On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:17 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
  mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
   I guess I should be more specific  more permissive. I would like to stop
   what you call political tripe  not apple trees or BMW.  Yes I can delete
   IF listers use correct headings. My question is why should I have to.
  DAN-
   Mr moderator What do you say?
   On Sep 16, 2014 10:05 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
  mercedes@okiebenz.com
   wrote:
  
   ‎Original Message
   From: Dwight Giles via Mercedes
   Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 8:23 PM
   To: Hendrik and Fay; Mercedes Discussion List
   Reply To: Dwight Giles
   Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71
  
   I  AM trying to stifle discussion that is not MB or car related and
  is
   just political rants of any persuasion.  I joined this  list in 2002
  for
   Mercedes content.  Rant off.
  
   While not car related, I do enjoy occasional apple tree discussions,
   woodworking discussions, tractor discussions, generator discussions,
  etc.
   There is a vast wealth of knowledge here on this list and to limit the
   topics to Mercedes only would be stifling to the transference of
   intelligence and information to all. I could live without the occasional
   political tripe, but I overlook it, because of the abundance of good
   intellectual conversation on other subjects.
   ‎
   I need to finish cleaning out my garage, so I can work on these old
   Mercedes, and buy some parts from Jabba. (MB content.)
  
   Rick
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Re: [MBZ] FW: Daimler

2014-09-17 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
Latter Day?

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 23:20:43 -0400
Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: Daimler
From: jabbahur...@gmail.com
To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com

utah saints?
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Fred Moir fredh.s...@hotmail.com wrote:



Gary.Saints, I'd think.

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
  
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Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71 OT no Merc content whatsoever

2014-09-17 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I was pondering something similar...

-Curt



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To: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71 OT no Merc content 
whatsoever
 

And if y'all are not careful, I may hafta throw in another silly Sondy tale. 
;)

Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106,Issue 71 OT no Merc content 
whatsoever


 It's just the nature of the beast, often times a thread will diverge and 
 end up being not even close to the original topic but as long as it is fun 
 and civil, who cares.
 It is not like you have to sift through a couple of hundred messages every 
 day, these old school email based discussion lists where never meant for 
 hundreds of people, perhaps dozens.
 Perhaps in a a perfect world, there would be perfect discussion lists but 
 I figure, given how much it costs to be a part of this list, you sort of 
 have to put up with a few issues.
 There is lots of stuff discussed here that I have little interest in but 
 someone else may be highly interested, to be sure some of the stuff I post 
 is probably of little interest to some here but perhaps someone will 
 listen to my crap.
 As has been said before, I we tighten up the rules regarding what can and 
 can't be discussed/asked here, we will have close to zero messages, cause 
 people take the safe route and not ask, for fear of offending someone.

 Hendrik
 who is dribbling again

 On 17/09/14 11:47, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:
 I guess I should be more specific  more permissive. I would like to stop
 what you call political tripe  not apple trees or BMW.  Yes I can delete
 IF listers use correct headings. My question is why should I have to. 
 DAN-
 Mr moderator What do you say?


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Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71 OT no Merc content whatsoever

2014-09-17 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
And if y'all are not careful, I may hafta throw in another silly Sondy tale. 
;)


Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106,Issue 71 OT no Merc content 
whatsoever



It's just the nature of the beast, often times a thread will diverge and 
end up being not even close to the original topic but as long as it is fun 
and civil, who cares.
It is not like you have to sift through a couple of hundred messages every 
day, these old school email based discussion lists where never meant for 
hundreds of people, perhaps dozens.
Perhaps in a a perfect world, there would be perfect discussion lists but 
I figure, given how much it costs to be a part of this list, you sort of 
have to put up with a few issues.
There is lots of stuff discussed here that I have little interest in but 
someone else may be highly interested, to be sure some of the stuff I post 
is probably of little interest to some here but perhaps someone will 
listen to my crap.
As has been said before, I we tighten up the rules regarding what can and 
can't be discussed/asked here, we will have close to zero messages, cause 
people take the safe route and not ask, for fear of offending someone.


Hendrik
who is dribbling again

On 17/09/14 11:47, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:

I guess I should be more specific  more permissive. I would like to stop
what you call political tripe  not apple trees or BMW.  Yes I can delete
IF listers use correct headings. My question is why should I have to. 
DAN-

Mr moderator What do you say?



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Re: [MBZ] Wiper parking

2014-09-17 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

[wiper] does not park or intermittent not working. What controls that?


On our 107 those functions are controlled by the wiper relay.
I know, 'cause some PO had kicked ours (on the floor above
the gas pedal) and broken it off.  The wipers would not stop
in their park position, nor would the intermittent function
work.  I glued the PCB back together, and soldered bridges
over the broken traces.

It's been working fine ever since.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: My website

2014-09-17 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

Well, _that_ was a waste of time.

Our ISP decided, unilaterally, without notice or discussion,
to cut off even the ability to host our own website,
unless we pay them an additional $10/month.

Color me not interested in extortion.  I have to start
the whole process over I guess, including revisiting now
who our ISP is.  (There is more than one choice, here.)
Too bad I flushed everything out of my computer and my
brain after I got it  all working in June.

I'm pretty sure I can get what I want elsewhere for much
less than $120/year, at the very least.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71

2014-09-17 Thread astrasfogel--- via Mercedes

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Wednesday, 17 September 2014, 01:16AM -0400 from Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com:
Original Message  
From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:21 PM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Reply To: Greg Fiorentino
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71
Actually, the discussion was mainly about nomenclature of an AR-15, and whether 
it is properly called a carbine, a rifle, or an assault rifle.  
Actually, firearms are much closer to Mercedes content than are apple trees; 
since they are both the pinnacle of mechanical technology of their time.
I'm not opposed to discussing hardware, be it small arms, watches, washing 
machines, iPhone, or ‎Mercedes.
 Just don't mix in emotion, and or politics.  
Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71 OT no Merc content whatsoever

2014-09-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
The talk is civil if not off topic, but that's OK for the most part.  I'm not 
going to play ListMom with a heavy hand as long as everyone is playing nice 
together.

We're all adults here and I believe everyone should have a Delete key.  As 
far as I'm concerned that's your personal filter.

Dan


On Sep 17, 2014, at 9:55 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
wrote:

 I was pondering something similar...
 
 -Curt
 
 
 
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 To: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:51 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106,   Issue 71 OT no Merc content 
 whatsoever
 
 
 And if y'all are not careful, I may hafta throw in another silly Sondy tale. 
 ;)
 
 Wilton
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:47 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106,Issue 71 OT no Merc content 
 whatsoever
 
 
 It's just the nature of the beast, often times a thread will diverge and 
 end up being not even close to the original topic but as long as it is fun 
 and civil, who cares.
 It is not like you have to sift through a couple of hundred messages every 
 day, these old school email based discussion lists where never meant for 
 hundreds of people, perhaps dozens.
 Perhaps in a a perfect world, there would be perfect discussion lists but 
 I figure, given how much it costs to be a part of this list, you sort of 
 have to put up with a few issues.
 There is lots of stuff discussed here that I have little interest in but 
 someone else may be highly interested, to be sure some of the stuff I post 
 is probably of little interest to some here but perhaps someone will 
 listen to my crap.
 As has been said before, I we tighten up the rules regarding what can and 
 can't be discussed/asked here, we will have close to zero messages, cause 
 people take the safe route and not ask, for fear of offending someone.
 
 Hendrik
 who is dribbling again
 
 On 17/09/14 11:47, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:
 I guess I should be more specific  more permissive. I would like to stop
 what you call political tripe  not apple trees or BMW.  Yes I can delete
 IF listers use correct headings. My question is why should I have to. 
 DAN-
 Mr moderator What do you say?
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: My website

2014-09-17 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
That stinks!  The information on your site is very popular among the MB
online community, including this one.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC

On Sep 17, 2014 10:13 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
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 Well, _that_ was a waste of time.

 Our ISP decided, unilaterally, without notice or discussion,
 to cut off even the ability to host our own website,
 unless we pay them an additional $10/month.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: My website

2014-09-17 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
For what I do (and you too I'd suspect) 11 is entirely sufficient. I don't 
send emails from my webhost which I guess is a problem for some. Its super 
cheap, I think I pay $18 or $20 a year...

-Curt
Who is reminded he should probably update the thing one of these days...



 From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: My website
 

Well, _that_ was a waste of time.

Our ISP decided, unilaterally, without notice or discussion,
to cut off even the ability to host our own website,
unless we pay them an additional $10/month.

Color me not interested in extortion.  I have to start
the whole process over I guess, including revisiting now
who our ISP is.  (There is more than one choice, here.)
Too bad I flushed everything out of my computer and my
brain after I got it  all working in June.

I'm pretty sure I can get what I want elsewhere for much
less than $120/year, at the very least.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: My website

2014-09-17 Thread Tim Crone via Mercedes
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 For what I do (and you too I'd suspect) 11 is entirely sufficient. I
 don't send emails from my webhost which I guess is a problem for some. Its
 super cheap, I think I pay $18 or $20 a year...


I just started using a virtual private server from peakservers, since my
site has been down for a couple of years I thought I needed to get my hands
dirty again.  I am paying $3.50 monthly for a 100GB (or 150GB?) OpenVZ
plan, with CPU/memory resources roughly comparable to my computer at home.
 Oh, and a static IP and 100MB link. :)

There are many cheaper options, including annual, depending on needs.  If
you are reasonably comfortable in Linux and hosting your own server, a VPS
with a static IP is a great choice - it lets you do a lot more than just
host a web site, including DNS, proxy from work, playground for new OSs,
etc.

lowendbox.com is a good resource for super-cheap VPSs, though I got the
peakservers deal from webhostingtalk.com.  I see that LEB has a $10/year
plan on the front page that would probably be more than sufficient for your
site, if you were only going to use it to serve your static pages.

Jim, if you like, I can set up a virtual domain in Apache, and spider your
server content, though that would mean my downtimes are also your
downtimes.  Still, happy to do it, permanently or temporarily if you just
want some time to look into things.

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71 OT no Merc content whatsoever

2014-09-17 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:51:06 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 And if y'all are not careful, I may hafta throw in another silly Sondy
 tale. ;)

Do it! Do it! Do it!


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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71

2014-09-17 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
 Should have beenn bologna despite what spellcheck thinks.

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:36 AM, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Balogna

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 Wednesday, 17 September 2014, 01:16AM -0400 from Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com:

 Original Message
 From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
 Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:21 PM
 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
 Reply To: Greg Fiorentino
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71

 Actually, the discussion was mainly about nomenclature of an AR-15, and
 whether it is properly called a carbine, a rifle, or an assault rifle.

 Actually, firearms are much closer to Mercedes content than are apple
 trees; since they are both the pinnacle of mechanical technology of their
 time.

 I'm not opposed to discussing hardware, be it small arms, watches, washing
 machines, iPhone, or ‎Mercedes.

  Just don't mix in emotion, and or politics.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: My website

2014-09-17 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

Thisun, too.

Wilton

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Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: My website



That stinks!  The information on your site is very popular among the MB
online community, including this one.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC

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mercedes@okiebenz.com

wrote:


Well, _that_ was a waste of time.

Our ISP decided, unilaterally, without notice or discussion,
to cut off even the ability to host our own website,
unless we pay them an additional $10/month.


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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71

2014-09-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
How about baloney?

Dan


On Sep 17, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Should have beenn bologna despite what spellcheck thinks.
 
 On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:36 AM, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Balogna
 
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 Sent from myMail app for Android
 
 Wednesday, 17 September 2014, 01:16AM -0400 from Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com:
 
 Original Message
 From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
 Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:21 PM
 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
 Reply To: Greg Fiorentino
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71
 
 Actually, the discussion was mainly about nomenclature of an AR-15, and
 whether it is properly called a carbine, a rifle, or an assault rifle.
 
 Actually, firearms are much closer to Mercedes content than are apple
 trees; since they are both the pinnacle of mechanical technology of their
 time.
 
 I'm not opposed to discussing hardware, be it small arms, watches, washing
 machines, iPhone, or ‎Mercedes.
 
 Just don't mix in emotion, and or politics.
 
 Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71

2014-09-17 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Not to date myself, but that was the default spelling when I was growing
up.  Baloney might be more appropriate in this case as it conveys my intent
without even a hint of ambiguity.

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 How about baloney?

 Dan


 On Sep 17, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  Should have beenn bologna despite what spellcheck thinks.
 
  On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:36 AM, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Balogna
 
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  Wednesday, 17 September 2014, 01:16AM -0400 from Rick Knoble via
 Mercedes 
  mercedes@okiebenz.com:
 
  Original Message
  From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
  Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:21 PM
  To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
  Reply To: Greg Fiorentino
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71
 
  Actually, the discussion was mainly about nomenclature of an AR-15, and
  whether it is properly called a carbine, a rifle, or an assault rifle.
 
  Actually, firearms are much closer to Mercedes content than are apple
  trees; since they are both the pinnacle of mechanical technology of
 their
  time.
 
  I'm not opposed to discussing hardware, be it small arms, watches,
 washing
  machines, iPhone, or ‎Mercedes.
 
  Just don't mix in emotion, and or politics.
 
  Rick
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[MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

THE TRAGEDY AND THE WALL
By Wilton Strickland, Lt Col, USAF (Ret)

The tragedy of the Vietnam War is exceeded by only slavery and the 
Civil War as this nation’s greatest tragedy. Not only were thousands of 
fine, young Americans sacrificed needlessly, sent into harm’s way by a 
government with no commitment to a resolution to the conflict, the conflict 
divided the country like nothing else but the Civil War.
The tragedy is best illustrated by the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, the 
black granite wall in Washington, DC, which has etched into it more than 58 
thousand names of the real heroes of the war.  Members of their families are 
also heroes who still suffer from the perpetual absence of their loved ones 
who have never returned.  Thousands of children have grown up never knowing 
their fathers and grandfathers, and thousands of children and grandchildren 
of the victims have never been born and never will be.  Many families have 
waited 45 years and more not knowing the fates of their lost loved-ones, and 
many will never know.  The suffering continues.
To get a proper feel for this tragedy and to help us better understand 
and to remember, every American should visit the Memorial, study those names 
etched into it and think very seriously about how they got there.
Let me quickly review some of the events and policies that put them 
there, starting with the French, who have had a strong influence and 
presence in the areas of Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam since the mid 1800‘s. 
For many years, the area was even known as French Indochina.  During WWII, 
the area was captured and occupied by the Japanese.  After WWII, the French 
tried to reassert control, but meanwhile, a Communist insurgency led by Ho 
Chi Minh had gained strong influence, and a civil war erupted.  The United 
States began to provide military aid to the French in Vietnam in 1950, but 
the Communist forces defeated the French at Dien Bien Phu in 1954, and Viet 
Nam was divided into North and South Vietnam along a demilitarized zone just 
south of the 17th parallel with a Communist government in the North and a 
government friendly to the United States in the South.  South Vietnam 
immediately began asking the United States for support against Communist 
influence and insurgency from the North - the first being given in 1955. 
The insurgency in the South was originally conducted by local forces 
friendly to the North and were known as Viet Minh (also Viet Cong).  Later, 
many North Vietnamese troops were also directly involved.
As the insurgency increased, the United States gradually increased aid 
to South Vietnam, including military supplies, equipment and military 
advisors working closely with the South Vietnamese Army and Air Force.
By late 1962, I was living in Georgia as an Air Force lieutenant on a 
B-52 combat crew.  There I spent about a third of my time on alert with B-52’s 
loaded with nuclear weapons ready to launch at a moment’s notice and strike 
targets in the Soviet Union.  By 1963 and ‘64, I began to see articles in 
the “Atlanta Constitution” newspaper about American military advisors being 
killed in Vietnam.  This was very disturbing to me.  I could so easily 
remember the stalemate that dragged on for years in Korea without a 
resolution only 10  to 12 years or so before.  I was afraid that the 
conflict in Vietnam would get bogged down into the same type of 
indecisiveness.  I felt that, because of the way that it was going to be 
conducted, i. e., piecemeal and haphazardly, we should not get involved in 
Vietnam, but if we were going to be involved, we should be quick and 
decisive about it.
We were easing into a war that most Americans didn’t even know about. 
Those who did know about it didn’t seem to care as long as it was somebody 
else’s son, brother, husband, cousin or friend who was getting killed, hurt 
or taken prisoner.
Then in Aug of ‘64, there were two incidents that led to much greater 
American involvement - American war ships in international waters in the 
Gulf  of Tonkin off of N. Vietnam were confronted and fired upon by several 
N. Vietnamese torpedo boats.  The American ships returned fire and sank one 
of the boats.  A couple of nights later, nervous and “antsy” RADAR operators 
on the American ships in the same area saw what they thought were the N. 
Vietnamese boats again and the Americans fired wildly on them.  Thorough 
investigation years later confirmed that there were no N. Vietnamese boats 
there that night - they turned out to have been imagined - caused by 
spurious returns on the ships‘ RADAR and anxious operators.
Meanwhile, Congress passed the Gulf of Tokin Resolution that granted 
President Johnson authority to assist any Southeast Asian country whose 
government was considered to be jeopardized by Communist aggression.” 
Johnson used this resolution as legal justification for greatly increasing 
and deploying additional U.S. forces to the area 

Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:02:09 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 THE TRAGEDY AND THE WALL
 By Wilton Strickland, Lt Col, USAF (Ret)

Not a silly Sondy tale, but thank you, Wilton.


 We had conducted the most intense bombing campaign ever against the
 most heavily-defended complex in history.  I was confident that the
 campaign was over, that it had been won and that the war was finally
 ending as we departed Hanoi for the last time.
   
 During the following two years, however, after US forces had withdrawn,
 Congress gave away what had been so dearly won.

And we are about to get into another situation like Vietnam and
Afghanistan. Years ago, we trained the mujhadeen in Afghanistan to fight
for us. What did that get for us? Hardened adversaries using our weapons
and training against us.

In Syria, training and supplying the rebels to do our fighting for us has
all the hallmarks of both Vietnam and Afghanistan. With as loose and
convoluted things are among the Muslim in the mid-East, it is very likely
the weapons we provide will be used against our troops or Israeli troops.

In trying to take a short cut for a quick, easy solution -- no
American boots on the ground -- we are setting ourselves up for even
more long-term grief in the mid-East.


 Even North Vietnam’s military commander, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap, agreed
 with me  “What we still don’t understand is why you Americans
 stopped the bombing of Hanoi (in Dec ‘72).  If you had pressed us a
 little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to
 surrender!  It was the same at the battle of TET in ’68.  You defeated
 us!  We knew it, and we thought you knew it.  But we were elated that
 your media was helping us.  They were causing more disruption in
 America than we could on the battlefields.  We were ready to
 surrender.  You had won!” General Giap merely confirmed what many
 Americans already knew.  The Vietnam War was not lost on the
 battlefields in Vietnam — it was lost at home by public opinion and
 given away by Congress. 

And there it is. The media were and still are against the best interests
of the American people. They are only interested in keeping themselves and
their cronies in power.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT Beef liver (was Re: Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71)

2014-09-17 Thread John Reames via Mercedes
I was under the impression that a non-penetrating captive bolt gun was the best 
way to ensure that no nervous system tissues entered the bloodstream, with the 
idea being to further reduce the chances of BSE entering the food supply...

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 On Sep 17, 2014, at 1:50, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
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 Recipes?  What is your preferred caliber for harvesting cows?  Calves?
 
 Max Dillon,
 Charleston SC
 Pushing it again, lighten up people!
 
 On Sep 17, 2014 12:18 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 If I had to choose between tripe and beef liver I would really stress out.
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Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I am not a raging militarist, but how can we turn our backs on the
barbarism that is ISIS?

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:02:09 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  THE TRAGEDY AND THE WALL
  By Wilton Strickland, Lt Col, USAF (Ret)

 Not a silly Sondy tale, but thank you, Wilton.


  We had conducted the most intense bombing campaign ever against the
  most heavily-defended complex in history.  I was confident that the
  campaign was over, that it had been won and that the war was finally
  ending as we departed Hanoi for the last time.

  During the following two years, however, after US forces had withdrawn,
  Congress gave away what had been so dearly won.

 And we are about to get into another situation like Vietnam and
 Afghanistan. Years ago, we trained the mujhadeen in Afghanistan to fight
 for us. What did that get for us? Hardened adversaries using our weapons
 and training against us.

 In Syria, training and supplying the rebels to do our fighting for us has
 all the hallmarks of both Vietnam and Afghanistan. With as loose and
 convoluted things are among the Muslim in the mid-East, it is very likely
 the weapons we provide will be used against our troops or Israeli troops.

 In trying to take a short cut for a quick, easy solution -- no
 American boots on the ground -- we are setting ourselves up for even
 more long-term grief in the mid-East.


  Even North Vietnam’s military commander, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap, agreed
  with me  “What we still don’t understand is why you Americans
  stopped the bombing of Hanoi (in Dec ‘72).  If you had pressed us a
  little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to
  surrender!  It was the same at the battle of TET in ’68.  You defeated
  us!  We knew it, and we thought you knew it.  But we were elated that
  your media was helping us.  They were causing more disruption in
  America than we could on the battlefields.  We were ready to
  surrender.  You had won!” General Giap merely confirmed what many
  Americans already knew.  The Vietnam War was not lost on the
  battlefields in Vietnam — it was lost at home by public opinion and
  given away by Congress.

 And there it is. The media were and still are against the best interests
 of the American people. They are only interested in keeping themselves and
 their cronies in power.


 Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT Beef liver (was Re: Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71)

2014-09-17 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I prefer to think of the Schmoo rather than slaughterhouse techniques, when
eating beef liver.

Shmoos are delicious to eat, and are eager to be eaten. If a human looks
at one hungrily, it will happily immolate itself — either by jumping into a
frying pan, after which they taste like chicken
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taste_like_chicken, or into a broiling pan,
after which they taste like steak. When roasted they taste like pork, and
when baked they taste like catfish. (Raw, they taste like oysters
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyster on the half-shell.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shmoo


On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:57 PM, John Reames via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 I was under the impression that a non-penetrating captive bolt gun was the
 best way to ensure that no nervous system tissues entered the bloodstream,
 with the idea being to further reduce the chances of BSE entering the food
 supply...

 --
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 jream...@verizon.net
 Home: +14106646986
 Mobile: +14437915905

  On Sep 17, 2014, at 1:50, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  Recipes?  What is your preferred caliber for harvesting cows?  Calves?
 
  Max Dillon,
  Charleston SC
  Pushing it again, lighten up people!
 
  On Sep 17, 2014 12:18 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
  mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  If I had to choose between tripe and beef liver I would really stress
 out.
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Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
I say we take off and nuke the whole site from orbit.  It's the only way 
to be sure.


--R


On 9/17/14 4:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I am not a raging militarist, but how can we turn our backs on the
barbarism that is ISIS?



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Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
As civilized humans it is our duty to recognize deadly threats and respond
with suitable deadly force to preserve both ourselves and civilization.
That is a basic human right given by our Creator [insert your own religious
belief here, or not] that has survived every advance and decline of
humanity.

It is so basic it has nothing to do with raging militarist, in my humble
opinion.

Having lived among the muslim world for more than a decade, I understand
the culture of violence that encapsulates, perhaps better than others.
FWIW, isis can only be crushed for civilization to survive where ever isis
touches.

Respectfully,

Grant...

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 I am not a raging militarist, but how can we turn our backs on the
 barbarism that is ISIS?

 On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 
 wrote:

  On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:02:09 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
  mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
   THE TRAGEDY AND THE WALL
   By Wilton Strickland, Lt Col, USAF (Ret)
 
  Not a silly Sondy tale, but thank you, Wilton.
 
 
   We had conducted the most intense bombing campaign ever against the
   most heavily-defended complex in history.  I was confident that the
   campaign was over, that it had been won and that the war was finally
   ending as we departed Hanoi for the last time.
 
   During the following two years, however, after US forces had withdrawn,
   Congress gave away what had been so dearly won.
 
  And we are about to get into another situation like Vietnam and
  Afghanistan. Years ago, we trained the mujhadeen in Afghanistan to fight
  for us. What did that get for us? Hardened adversaries using our weapons
  and training against us.
 
  In Syria, training and supplying the rebels to do our fighting for us has
  all the hallmarks of both Vietnam and Afghanistan. With as loose and
  convoluted things are among the Muslim in the mid-East, it is very likely
  the weapons we provide will be used against our troops or Israeli troops.
 
  In trying to take a short cut for a quick, easy solution -- no
  American boots on the ground -- we are setting ourselves up for even
  more long-term grief in the mid-East.
 
 
   Even North Vietnam’s military commander, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap, agreed
   with me  “What we still don’t understand is why you Americans
   stopped the bombing of Hanoi (in Dec ‘72).  If you had pressed us a
   little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to
   surrender!  It was the same at the battle of TET in ’68.  You defeated
   us!  We knew it, and we thought you knew it.  But we were elated that
   your media was helping us.  They were causing more disruption in
   America than we could on the battlefields.  We were ready to
   surrender.  You had won!” General Giap merely confirmed what many
   Americans already knew.  The Vietnam War was not lost on the
   battlefields in Vietnam — it was lost at home by public opinion and
   given away by Congress.
 
  And there it is. The media were and still are against the best interests
  of the American people. They are only interested in keeping themselves
 and
  their cronies in power.
 
 
  Craig
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
A heartfelt thank you to WIlton for his posting. I also have friends at the
Wall, and have given that salute of respect.

In my case, I went from 2 tours Vietnam to 7 years of Afghanistan, working
with Mujhadeen and Pashtun tribes in Northern Tribal Territories of
Pakistan, followed by other postings in Iran, Turkey, Saudi, etc etc.. All
the vacation hot spots of the world.. Even today, I can remember the smell
of pita bread toasted over a camel dung fire and goat meat.. yep..
lovely... with a side of open sewer...

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:41 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

 As civilized humans it is our duty to recognize deadly threats and respond
 with suitable deadly force to preserve both ourselves and civilization.
 That is a basic human right given by our Creator [insert your own religious
 belief here, or not] that has survived every advance and decline of
 humanity.

 It is so basic it has nothing to do with raging militarist, in my humble
 opinion.

 Having lived among the muslim world for more than a decade, I understand
 the culture of violence that encapsulates, perhaps better than others.
 FWIW, isis can only be crushed for civilization to survive where ever isis
 touches.

 Respectfully,

 Grant...

 On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 I am not a raging militarist, but how can we turn our backs on the
 barbarism that is ISIS?

 On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:

  On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:02:09 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
  mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
   THE TRAGEDY AND THE WALL
   By Wilton Strickland, Lt Col, USAF (Ret)
 
  Not a silly Sondy tale, but thank you, Wilton.
 
 
   We had conducted the most intense bombing campaign ever against the
   most heavily-defended complex in history.  I was confident that the
   campaign was over, that it had been won and that the war was finally
   ending as we departed Hanoi for the last time.
 
   During the following two years, however, after US forces had
 withdrawn,
   Congress gave away what had been so dearly won.
 
  And we are about to get into another situation like Vietnam and
  Afghanistan. Years ago, we trained the mujhadeen in Afghanistan to fight
  for us. What did that get for us? Hardened adversaries using our weapons
  and training against us.
 
  In Syria, training and supplying the rebels to do our fighting for us
 has
  all the hallmarks of both Vietnam and Afghanistan. With as loose and
  convoluted things are among the Muslim in the mid-East, it is very
 likely
  the weapons we provide will be used against our troops or Israeli
 troops.
 
  In trying to take a short cut for a quick, easy solution -- no
  American boots on the ground -- we are setting ourselves up for even
  more long-term grief in the mid-East.
 
 
   Even North Vietnam’s military commander, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap, agreed
   with me  “What we still don’t understand is why you Americans
   stopped the bombing of Hanoi (in Dec ‘72).  If you had pressed us a
   little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to
   surrender!  It was the same at the battle of TET in ’68.  You defeated
   us!  We knew it, and we thought you knew it.  But we were elated that
   your media was helping us.  They were causing more disruption in
   America than we could on the battlefields.  We were ready to
   surrender.  You had won!” General Giap merely confirmed what many
   Americans already knew.  The Vietnam War was not lost on the
   battlefields in Vietnam — it was lost at home by public opinion and
   given away by Congress.
 
  And there it is. The media were and still are against the best interests
  of the American people. They are only interested in keeping themselves
 and
  their cronies in power.
 
 
  Craig
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread Gary Hurst via Mercedes
fight fight fight
fight fight fight

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 4:41 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 As civilized humans it is our duty to recognize deadly threats and respond
 with suitable deadly force to preserve both ourselves and civilization.
 That is a basic human right given by our Creator [insert your own religious
 belief here, or not] that has survived every advance and decline of
 humanity.

 It is so basic it has nothing to do with raging militarist, in my humble
 opinion.

 Having lived among the muslim world for more than a decade, I understand
 the culture of violence that encapsulates, perhaps better than others.
 FWIW, isis can only be crushed for civilization to survive where ever isis
 touches.

 Respectfully,

 Grant...

 On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  I am not a raging militarist, but how can we turn our backs on the
  barbarism that is ISIS?
 
  On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
  
  wrote:
 
   On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:02:09 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
   mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
  
THE TRAGEDY AND THE WALL
By Wilton Strickland, Lt Col, USAF (Ret)
  
   Not a silly Sondy tale, but thank you, Wilton.
  
  
We had conducted the most intense bombing campaign ever against the
most heavily-defended complex in history.  I was confident that the
campaign was over, that it had been won and that the war was finally
ending as we departed Hanoi for the last time.
  
During the following two years, however, after US forces had
 withdrawn,
Congress gave away what had been so dearly won.
  
   And we are about to get into another situation like Vietnam and
   Afghanistan. Years ago, we trained the mujhadeen in Afghanistan to
 fight
   for us. What did that get for us? Hardened adversaries using our
 weapons
   and training against us.
  
   In Syria, training and supplying the rebels to do our fighting for us
 has
   all the hallmarks of both Vietnam and Afghanistan. With as loose and
   convoluted things are among the Muslim in the mid-East, it is very
 likely
   the weapons we provide will be used against our troops or Israeli
 troops.
  
   In trying to take a short cut for a quick, easy solution -- no
   American boots on the ground -- we are setting ourselves up for even
   more long-term grief in the mid-East.
  
  
Even North Vietnam’s military commander, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap, agreed
with me  “What we still don’t understand is why you Americans
stopped the bombing of Hanoi (in Dec ‘72).  If you had pressed us a
little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to
surrender!  It was the same at the battle of TET in ’68.  You
 defeated
us!  We knew it, and we thought you knew it.  But we were elated that
your media was helping us.  They were causing more disruption in
America than we could on the battlefields.  We were ready to
surrender.  You had won!” General Giap merely confirmed what many
Americans already knew.  The Vietnam War was not lost on the
battlefields in Vietnam — it was lost at home by public opinion and
given away by Congress.
  
   And there it is. The media were and still are against the best
 interests
   of the American people. They are only interested in keeping themselves
  and
   their cronies in power.
  
  
   Craig
  
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Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:30:17 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel
astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am not a raging militarist, but how can we turn our backs on the
 barbarism that is ISIS?

I am not saying that we should.

If you read my email, you would have seen, more than once, the phrase,
do our fighting for us.

That should have been a clue to my position. Yes, the Muslims, when they
do all that the Koran says, are a viscious lot and not the religion of
peace.

It is a right and proper thing to use military force, in conjunction with
other nations, to stop the barbarism, but we cannot take short-cuts and
expect others to do our fighting for us, particularly Muslims against
their bretheren.

The only way for true peace in the mid-East, however, is for all to
acknowledge the Prince of Peace and turn to Him for forgiveness and
cleansing. All other methods will ultimately be futile. Unfortunately,
our nation is turning away from Him and forgetting what made it great.
If we continue, we likewise will have problems.


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I think ISIS needs to be stopped but I don't think its US that needs to be 
doing it. The Iraqis threw us out, they and their arab brethren need to stand 
up and take care of their own problems. 

We have no business fixing the worlds problems. For one we're not very good 
at it and for two we really can't afford it either monetarily or from a waste 
of human life perspective.

Iraq has become my generation's Vietnam, all those lives wasted and what do we 
have to show for it? By any reasonable measure the plight of the average Iraqi 
is worse today than it was 15 years ago.

-Curt



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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought
 

On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:30:17 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel
astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am not a raging militarist, but how can we turn our backs on the
 barbarism that is ISIS?

I am not saying that we should.

If you read my email, you would have seen, more than once, the phrase,
do our fighting for us.

That should have been a clue to my position. Yes, the Muslims, when they
do all that the Koran says, are a viscious lot and not the religion of
peace.

It is a right and proper thing to use military force, in conjunction with
other nations, to stop the barbarism, but we cannot take short-cuts and
expect others to do our fighting for us, particularly Muslims against
their bretheren.

The only way for true peace in the mid-East, however, is for all to
acknowledge the Prince of Peace and turn to Him for forgiveness and
cleansing. All other methods will ultimately be futile. Unfortunately,
our nation is turning away from Him and forgetting what made it great.
If we continue, we likewise will have problems.





Craig


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Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread Gary Hurst via Mercedes
you can get lynched for that kinda talk in most of 'merka, boy

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:30:17 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel
 astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

  I am not a raging militarist, but how can we turn our backs on the
  barbarism that is ISIS?

 I am not saying that we should.

 If you read my email, you would have seen, more than once, the phrase,
 do our fighting for us.

 That should have been a clue to my position. Yes, the Muslims, when they
 do all that the Koran says, are a viscious lot and not the religion of
 peace.

 It is a right and proper thing to use military force, in conjunction with
 other nations, to stop the barbarism, but we cannot take short-cuts and
 expect others to do our fighting for us, particularly Muslims against
 their bretheren.

 The only way for true peace in the mid-East, however, is for all to
 acknowledge the Prince of Peace and turn to Him for forgiveness and
 cleansing. All other methods will ultimately be futile. Unfortunately,
 our nation is turning away from Him and forgetting what made it great.
 If we continue, we likewise will have problems.


 Craig


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Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Curt,

I've asked several Iraqis point blank: did America do the right thing?  The
answer they gave me is Yes!.

The Iraqis didn't throw us out, Barack Hussein Obama made it a campaign
pledge to pull us out.  Iraq very much wanted to negotiate an agreement for
our troops to stay, it was Obama who ended those negotiations.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC

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wrote:

 Iraq has become my generation's Vietnam, all those lives wasted and what
do we have to show for it? By any reasonable measure the plight of the
average Iraqi is worse today than it was 15 years ago.

 -Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 17:22:43 -0400 Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
wrote:

 you can get lynched for that kinda talk in most of 'merka, boy

And that's the problem to which I was referring.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Daimler

2014-09-17 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
Well, thats pretty much what they do.  I have a bare-bones GLK 250 blue tec
as a company car right now.  It has very few options, not too many of the
modern gizmos.  I really like it, despite not liking SUVs.  I think it
actually rides better than the C class!  And the 4 cylinder diesel is
wonderful.  They're not cheap cars, but they never have been.  Remember,
even 240Ds were expensive when they were new.

The B class is a simple and effective car, although only sold as an EV in
the US.

Jaime


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mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Times change, cars change. If Mercedes would build a 240D in this day and
 age it would become the laughing stock of auto manufacturers. However,
 something in the spirit of a 240D might work. Simple, really well built and
 economical. Volkswagen kind of does it with the Jetta diesel. Why can't
 Mercedes do it with a C class or CLA or B?

 Sent from my iPhone

  On Sep 16, 2014, at 9:46 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  and the amzing thing is that for all the talk of people wanting that
 here,
  you'd hardly sell any if you did
 
 
  On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
  mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  Ha, good response.
 
  As much as we'd like them to put 240D's back into production and sell
 them
  for $18,000, I don't think its going to happen.
 
  Jaime
 
 
  On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
  mercedes@okiebenz.com
  wrote:
 
  I suspect that is the result of market research and actual customer
  preferences. I don't think that this group represents the average new
 MB
  buyer. We are indeed, a relatively odd lot . . . .
 
  On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
  mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  I suspect there was considerable leakage of junk gizmo flashy crap
  into
  Mercedes from Chrysler.  The new cars are NOT like the old ones,
 rather
  tinny, full of electronic toys of dubious utility and designed in
  failure.
 
  And they are UGLY and very hard to see out of.
 
  Peter
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
 I am not a raging militarist, but how can we turn our backs on the
 barbarism that is ISIS?

Wiltons story is a personal view of the war, and that's understandable since he 
was heavily involved in it.

If one takes an objective view of both wars that were fought in S.E.Asia, it's 
reasonable to say that they were justified because they stopped the spread of 
communism in that area.

The policy involved in fighting these wars has been placed on the officer corp 
of WW-2 who saw the fallacy of isolationism during the 1930s.  Their conclusion 
was that it is better to take the war to the enemy rather than wait for the 
enemy to bring the war to us
.
This is obviously what we have done in both S.E.Asia, and the Middle East.  Was 
this the best policy then, and is it still the best policy? 
Gerry


 

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Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
RANT
If you go back several centuries, you'll find that the Christians were the
raging barbarism force of the time (crusades). I think the root of all
evil is religion inflicted on others (other than psychopaths). All
religious states/governments need to be eliminated at once, and for all
time. (Israel included).

Live by your own religion WITHOUT inflicting it on anyone else. If you are
against abortion, don't have one, but keep your beliefs to yourself. Do not
try to legislate your beliefs into law to be applied to others.
/RANT

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 I am not a raging militarist, but how can we turn our backs on the
 barbarism that is ISIS?

 On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 
 wrote:

  On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:02:09 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
  mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
   THE TRAGEDY AND THE WALL
   By Wilton Strickland, Lt Col, USAF (Ret)
 
  Not a silly Sondy tale, but thank you, Wilton.
 
 
   We had conducted the most intense bombing campaign ever against the
   most heavily-defended complex in history.  I was confident that the
   campaign was over, that it had been won and that the war was finally
   ending as we departed Hanoi for the last time.
 
   During the following two years, however, after US forces had withdrawn,
   Congress gave away what had been so dearly won.
 
  And we are about to get into another situation like Vietnam and
  Afghanistan. Years ago, we trained the mujhadeen in Afghanistan to fight
  for us. What did that get for us? Hardened adversaries using our weapons
  and training against us.
 
  In Syria, training and supplying the rebels to do our fighting for us has
  all the hallmarks of both Vietnam and Afghanistan. With as loose and
  convoluted things are among the Muslim in the mid-East, it is very likely
  the weapons we provide will be used against our troops or Israeli troops.
 
  In trying to take a short cut for a quick, easy solution -- no
  American boots on the ground -- we are setting ourselves up for even
  more long-term grief in the mid-East.
 
 
   Even North Vietnam’s military commander, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap, agreed
   with me  “What we still don’t understand is why you Americans
   stopped the bombing of Hanoi (in Dec ‘72).  If you had pressed us a
   little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to
   surrender!  It was the same at the battle of TET in ’68.  You defeated
   us!  We knew it, and we thought you knew it.  But we were elated that
   your media was helping us.  They were causing more disruption in
   America than we could on the battlefields.  We were ready to
   surrender.  You had won!” General Giap merely confirmed what many
   Americans already knew.  The Vietnam War was not lost on the
   battlefields in Vietnam — it was lost at home by public opinion and
   given away by Congress.
 
  And there it is. The media were and still are against the best interests
  of the American people. They are only interested in keeping themselves
 and
  their cronies in power.
 
 
  Craig
 
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71

2014-09-17 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
Mortadella!

Take THAT!:-)


Greg

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Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:19 AM
To: Rick Knoble; Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71

 Should have beenn bologna despite what spellcheck thinks.

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:36 AM, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Balogna

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 Wednesday, 17 September 2014, 01:16AM -0400 from Rick Knoble via 
 Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com:

 Original Message
 From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
 Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:21 PM
 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
 Reply To: Greg Fiorentino
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71

 Actually, the discussion was mainly about nomenclature of an AR-15, 
 and whether it is properly called a carbine, a rifle, or an assault rifle.

 Actually, firearms are much closer to Mercedes content than are apple 
 trees; since they are both the pinnacle of mechanical technology of 
 their time.

 I'm not opposed to discussing hardware, be it small arms, watches, 
 washing machines, iPhone, or ‎Mercedes.

  Just don't mix in emotion, and or politics.

 Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Great questions ... in looking only backward, the decision to keep war in
other countries and not let it come to America, delivered by our enemies,
was a good one. Most American citizens alive today have never seen war
except what Hollywood gives them, have never held a compression bandage on
their badly injured friend while bleeding themselves, or smelled war [it
has a smell never forgotten]. So in a backward look, yes.

In a practical sense, many American young men have been sacrificed on the
altar of good for the sake of those who have never felt, sensed, or
smelled, war. IMHO every Ipod should open with a salute to those who
gave so those who didn't will remember... [won't happen, I know].

While we were off fighting communist, communist were quite busy here in
America changing the public through slow erosion of socialism. Example:
ACLU was founded by members of American Communist Party with the express
purpose of eroding the Constitution. Didn't know that? Look it up. About
1954 the leader of the American Communist Party stated they should dissolve
since the Democrat party was serving them better and drawing less attention
to their socialist platform.. yep...

So.. looking forward... we lost on two fronts... at home and at the foreign
countries were we lost blood and treasure and friends...

The opinions expressed here are my own.. yours may differ..

Respectfully

Grant...


On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:06 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


 Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
  I am not a raging militarist, but how can we turn our backs on the
  barbarism that is ISIS?
 
 Wiltons story is a personal view of the war, and that's understandable
 since he was heavily involved in it.

 If one takes an objective view of both wars that were fought in S.E.Asia,
 it's reasonable to say that they were justified because they stopped the
 spread of communism in that area.

 The policy involved in fighting these wars has been placed on the officer
 corp of WW-2 who saw the fallacy of isolationism during the 1930s.  Their
 conclusion was that it is better to take the war to the enemy rather than
 wait for the enemy to bring the war to us
 .
 This is obviously what we have done in both S.E.Asia, and the Middle
 East.  Was this the best policy then, and is it still the best policy?
 Gerry




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Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes

Ohh boy, now we have politics and religion on the discussion table:)
It's all Wiltons fault for mentioning the war, I may have mentioned it 
once but I think I got away with it.

Anyway, regarding the 'temporary' troop withdrawal from Iraq.
My vague recollection of this was that it was decided before President 
Obama came into office 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement
And yes Max we can see that your trying to put some sort of xenophobic 
spin on it, this is the sort of thing that lets to heated debates, 
perhaps we should try and stick to the facts?
Fact is that a republican president decided to invade a sovereign 
country on the basis that the regime in that country was involved in the 
terrorist attack on 9/11 and had WMD. Neither of which where ever proven 
to be true.
Then the spin turned to liberation of the Iraq people but there was no 
clear plan on how to achieve this and perhaps no clear understanding of 
the dynamics of Iraq.
In some ways the US has a simplistic view, insofar that they think, 'we 
kicked the British out and lived happily ever after' so if we give 
others that sort of opportunity it will work out well.
However one of the key differences is that America was a young country 
with lots of opportunity and the people there pretty much had a common 
goal (especially since they mostly had a common background). Whereas in 
most other countries there are centuries old rivalries between the 
different ethnic groups and all those groups are trying to grab as much 
for themselves as they can.
Plus throw into the mix some religious nut jobs who appeal to the young 
who have no job and can see no future and you get a nasty brew.
However the real question is how do you fix the mess, sure send in the 
troops, wipe out as much of ISIS as you can and then declare job done 
again but then another group of nutters will jump up and cycle will repeat.
President Bush junior had a lot of years to achieve some sort of 
stability in Iraq but no, lets blame Obama because he is a democrat and 
has a sort of foreign name.


Hendrik
who sometimes mixes fact with fiction

On 18/09/14 07:06, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Curt,

I've asked several Iraqis point blank: did America do the right thing?  The
answer they gave me is Yes!.

The Iraqis didn't throw us out, Barack Hussein Obama made it a campaign
pledge to pull us out.  Iraq very much wanted to negotiate an agreement for
our troops to stay, it was Obama who ended those negotiations.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

We can not and should not.  It's already late.

Wilton

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To: Craig diese...@pisquared.net; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought



I am not a raging militarist, but how can we turn our backs on the
barbarism that is ISIS?

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com

wrote:


On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:02:09 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 THE TRAGEDY AND THE WALL
 By Wilton Strickland, Lt Col, USAF (Ret)

Not a silly Sondy tale, but thank you, Wilton.


 We had conducted the most intense bombing campaign ever against the
 most heavily-defended complex in history.  I was confident that the
 campaign was over, that it had been won and that the war was finally
 ending as we departed Hanoi for the last time.
   
 During the following two years, however, after US forces had withdrawn,
 Congress gave away what had been so dearly won.

And we are about to get into another situation like Vietnam and
Afghanistan. Years ago, we trained the mujhadeen in Afghanistan to fight
for us. What did that get for us? Hardened adversaries using our weapons
and training against us.

In Syria, training and supplying the rebels to do our fighting for us has
all the hallmarks of both Vietnam and Afghanistan. With as loose and
convoluted things are among the Muslim in the mid-East, it is very likely
the weapons we provide will be used against our troops or Israeli troops.

In trying to take a short cut for a quick, easy solution -- no
American boots on the ground -- we are setting ourselves up for even
more long-term grief in the mid-East.


 Even North Vietnam’s military commander, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap, agreed
 with me  “What we still don’t understand is why you Americans
 stopped the bombing of Hanoi (in Dec ‘72).  If you had pressed us a
 little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to
 surrender!  It was the same at the battle of TET in ’68.  You defeated
 us!  We knew it, and we thought you knew it.  But we were elated that
 your media was helping us.  They were causing more disruption in
 America than we could on the battlefields.  We were ready to
 surrender.  You had won!” General Giap merely confirmed what many
 Americans already knew.  The Vietnam War was not lost on the
 battlefields in Vietnam — it was lost at home by public opinion and
 given away by Congress.

And there it is. The media were and still are against the best interests
of the American people. They are only interested in keeping themselves 
and

their cronies in power.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71 OT no Merc content whatsoever

2014-09-17 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Curt wrote:
 I was pondering something similar...

WILTON wrote:
 And if y'all are not careful, I may hafta throw in another silly Sondy tale.
 ;)

ATTABOY Curt - you have Sondy tales?
Sounds interesting...
mao

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[MBZ] [ADMIN] - Politics

2014-09-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
OK, folks, I let this thread run its course and it's started to degrade into 
areas where we have agreed not to go.

Best to put it to bed now and find other, more appropriate subject matter.  No 
more replies or responses to the subject, please.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
OK Don wrote:
 RANT
 If you go back several centuries, you'll find that the Christians were the 
 raging barbarism force of the time (crusades).
 ...

 Live by your own religion WITHOUT inflicting it on anyone else. If you are
 against abortion, don't have one, but keep your beliefs to yourself.
 /RANT

Yeah, that's gonna happen.
Your RANT is entirely correct.
Diversity? - whas dat?!
What happened to diversity?
ISIS, Sunni, Shiite, christian, etc - sounds diverse, eh?
Let it be.  If some want to behead others, yeah, see how far that goes.
But we were elated that your media was helping us. - General Giap
quoting from WILTON.
ISIS, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, VietNam - we have been there and done
that.  How did that work out?  Whatever General Giap said remains true
- very sad for a nation so proud of its tech sector which essentially
supplants a rational mind.
Quoting Gary:
fight fight fight
fight fight fight - shall we try again and see how that works?
What does it take for us to hear Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower speak about
Military Industrial Complex?
We have failed.  We have failed in too many arenas to enumerate.
This is no longer the land of the free, home of the brave.
We are idiots - watch us try the same action again and expect a
different result. - ??That makes good sense?
Stay away from ISIS caliphate.
We have our caliphate - let there be diversity, let them have their caliphate.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] [ADMIN] - Politics

2014-09-17 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Dan wrote:
 Best to put it to bed now and find other, more appropriate subject matter.  
 No more replies or responses to the subject, please.


Diversity?
What is the correct opinion?
On one hand we are adults with delete key, on the other hand we need
to be told what to do?
Yes, I am idiot - I try the same thing again, expecting different result.
...off to banned...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Daimler

2014-09-17 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Gary wrote:
 sometimes i wonder if i really am the great communicator


One thing we know for sure about Gary.
He is the ChowdahKing - even if he did not attend the ChowdahQ.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] [ADMIN] - Politics

2014-09-17 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
What subject? I have not been
Paying attention. Do I need to get the pooferator out?

Sent from my iPhone

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 wrote:
 
 OK, folks, I let this thread run its course and it's started to degrade into 
 areas where we have agreed not to go.
 
 Best to put it to bed now and find other, more appropriate subject matter.  
 No more replies or responses to the subject, please.
 
 Thank you for your cooperation.
 
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[MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A car!

2014-09-17 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

Today I picked up the 560 SEL from the shop.  $1500 got it
a used replacement transmission and the rear wheel bearing
tightened.

It drives like it ought to again.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] [ADMIN] - Politics

2014-09-17 Thread Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes
Yeah I am not sure but yeah there is a bit of finger pointing and blame 
laying being done.
It just seems we cannot discuss world affairs without someone getting 
politically emotional about it.
However it does not matter, as no one is listening and the powers that 
be will do the same old stuff. Pitting the pawns against one another to 
keep the King safe.


Hendrik
who will ask a Merc question  in a minute

On 18/09/14 10:51, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

What subject? I have not been
Paying attention. Do I need to get the pooferator out?

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 17, 2014, at 7:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
wrote:

OK, folks, I let this thread run its course and it's started to degrade into 
areas where we have agreed not to go.

Best to put it to bed now and find other, more appropriate subject matter.  No 
more replies or responses to the subject, please.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Dan



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Re: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A car!

2014-09-17 Thread Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes

Not really worth an ATTABOY as someone else did the work.

Hendrik
who is just so mean

On 18/09/14 10:55, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

Today I picked up the 560 SEL from the shop.  $1500 got it
a used replacement transmission and the rear wheel bearing
tightened.

It drives like it ought to again.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A cars air con

2014-09-17 Thread Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes
My A/C has been a bit naughty lately, the compressor will run when hot 
wired and it gets cool but otherwise the system will only run for a 
short period and then switch off.
My suspicion is the Klima relay, I have had a bit of a solder around on 
the board but it's still flakey, may be the RPM sensor on the compressor 
but it's within spec.

Anyone have any clues or BTDT?

Hendrik
who would like AC soon

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Re: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A car!

2014-09-17 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

Not really worth an ATTABOY as someone else did the work.


But _I_ test-drove it!

-- Jim


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[MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A car!

2014-09-17 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Orginal Message  
From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:25 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply To: Jim Cathey
Subject: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A car!

Today I picked up the 560 SEL from the shop.  $1500 got it
a used replacement transmission and the rear wheel bearing
tightened.

It drives like it ought to again.

Oh the humanity! ‎

You_didn't_do_it_yourself?

It wasn't fixed_with_Shoegoo? 

What next?

The end of the world as we know it? 

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A cars air con

2014-09-17 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

when hot wired and it gets cool but


It gets cool is not sufficient.  What are the pressures doing
when it is running?  One of the safety switches could be engaging.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A car!

2014-09-17 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

Short answer: my back hurts, it has for a couple of years now.
The _profit_ from the 300CD went into a trumpet, the base cost
just went into this car.

At least, I have a car again.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A car!

2014-09-17 Thread Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes
Well your going have to take it up with the keeper of the ATTABOYS, if 
Wilton thinks you are worthy he may graciously award you one but I say 
no, unless you lay under the car and lifted the box out with your bare 
hands and made a blood sacrifice to the car Gods, who in this case would 
be Daimler and Benz.


Hendrik
who is falling behind in the ATTABOY awards rankings

On 18/09/14 11:08, Jim Cathey wrote:

Not really worth an ATTABOY as someone else did the work.


But _I_ test-drove it!

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Re: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A cars air con

2014-09-17 Thread Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes
Well if I had pressure gauges, speaking of which did you know that fuel 
pressure gauges can be used to check transmission pressures?
Anyway what I meant to say that there is refrigerant in the system and 
it was 'topped up' before last summer.


Hendrik
who is under pressure

On 18/09/14 11:11, Jim Cathey wrote:

when hot wired and it gets cool but


It gets cool is not sufficient.  What are the pressures doing
when it is running?  One of the safety switches could be engaging.

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Re: [MBZ] Daimler

2014-09-17 Thread David Bruckmann via Mercedes
On 9/17/14, Jaime wrote:
The B class is a simple and effective car, although only sold as an EV in
the US.

Yes, which is too bad. It has been pretty popular in Canada for the last few 
years, from what I understand. Wacky rear suspension though!

D.

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Re: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A car!

2014-09-17 Thread Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes

Don't know perhaps he'll buy a 500SE and call it the carbine version?

Hendrik
who could not resist that crappy attempt at humour

On 18/09/14 11:08, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Orginal Message
From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes
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Subject: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A car!


Today I picked up the 560 SEL from the shop.  $1500 got it
a used replacement transmission and the rear wheel bearing
tightened.
It drives like it ought to again.

Oh the humanity! ‎

You_didn't_do_it_yourself?

It wasn't fixed_with_Shoegoo?

What next?

The end of the world as we know it?

Rick



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[MBZ] What abut this?

2014-09-17 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes


1969 Mercedes Benz 280 S
http://salina.craigslist.org/cto/4671704278.html

via cPro Craigslist App
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Re: [MBZ] What abut this?

2014-09-17 Thread Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes
What about it? It's a beige six cylinder W108 with carbies and possible 
issues after sitting for 8 years.

Cheap enough I suppose?

Hendrik
who used to own a beige 123 with a carby

On 18/09/14 11:20, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:


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http://salina.craigslist.org/cto/4671704278.html



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Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

Wow!  It doesn't take long for this group to implode!  Since some people say 
the reason we are in the Middle East is OIL!, let's stir some of that in and 
really get everyones cajones in an uproar. (Just kidding!)

In the meantime, I've lost something and would really be grateful if one of the 
computer experts on the list would help me find it.  It's the back box in 
Firefox.  It's driving me almost as crazy as when one of my old VW Beetles lost 
its backup gear. I can still hear the UF students laughing while I pushed it 
out of a parking space at the Thirsty Gator. I've looked everywhere, tried 
everything, and can't imagine where it got off to. Really getting tired of 
having to reload a website every time I want to go back one page.
Thanks in advance,
Gerry

Hendrik and Fay wrote:

 Ohh boy, now we have politics and religion on the discussion table:)
 It's all Wiltons fault for mentioning the war, I may have mentioned it 
 once but I think I got away with it.
 Anyway, regarding the 'temporary' troop withdrawal from Iraq.
 My vague recollection of this was that it was decided before President 
 Obama came into office 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement
 And yes Max we can see that your trying to put some sort of xenophobic 
 spin on it, this is the sort of thing that lets to heated debates, 
 perhaps we should try and stick to the facts?
 Fact is that a republican president decided to invade a sovereign 
 country on the basis that the regime in that country was involved in the 
 terrorist attack on 9/11 and had WMD. Neither of which where ever proven 
 to be true.
 Then the spin turned to liberation of the Iraq people but there was no 
 clear plan on how to achieve this and perhaps no clear understanding of 
 the dynamics of Iraq.
 In some ways the US has a simplistic view, insofar that they think, 'we 
 kicked the British out and lived happily ever after' so if we give 
 others that sort of opportunity it will work out well.
 However one of the key differences is that America was a young country 
 with lots of opportunity and the people there pretty much had a common 
 goal (especially since they mostly had a common background). Whereas in 
 most other countries there are centuries old rivalries between the 
 different ethnic groups and all those groups are trying to grab as much 
 for themselves as they can.
 Plus throw into the mix some religious nut jobs who appeal to the young 
 who have no job and can see no future and you get a nasty brew.
 However the real question is how do you fix the mess, sure send in the 
 troops, wipe out as much of ISIS as you can and then declare job done 
 again but then another group of nutters will jump up and cycle will repeat.
 President Bush junior had a lot of years to achieve some sort of 
 stability in Iraq but no, lets blame Obama because he is a democrat and 
 has a sort of foreign name.
 
 Hendrik
 who sometimes mixes fact with fiction
 
 On 18/09/14 07:06, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
  Curt,
 
  I've asked several Iraqis point blank: did America do the right thing?  The
  answer they gave me is Yes!.
 
  The Iraqis didn't throw us out, Barack Hussein Obama made it a campaign
  pledge to pull us out.  Iraq very much wanted to negotiate an agreement for
  our troops to stay, it was Obama who ended those negotiations.
 
  Max Dillon,
  Charleston SC
 
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Re: [MBZ] What abut this?

2014-09-17 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Looks nice
From
The outside 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 17, 2014, at 9:00 PM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 What about it? It's a beige six cylinder W108 with carbies and possible 
 issues after sitting for 8 years.
 Cheap enough I suppose?
 
 Hendrik
 who used to own a beige 123 with a carby
 
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 http://salina.craigslist.org/cto/4671704278.html
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes
The issue is not so much why they are there but the big question is how 
to go about making some real progress towards stability in the region 
but we better not discuss that.
Anyway when you say you lost the back box, do you mean the actual arrows 
or will foxy just not remember where it was a few minutes ago? Can you 
go back by right clicking a page and selecting back?
Haven't used foxy in a while as it became too bloated, chrome has spat a 
dummy after an upgrade so i am using chromium at the moment.


Hendrik
who gets frustrated with all this high tech stuff sometimes

On 18/09/14 11:36, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

Wow!  It doesn't take long for this group to implode!  Since some people say 
the reason we are in the Middle East is OIL!, let's stir some of that in and 
really get everyones cajones in an uproar. (Just kidding!)

In the meantime, I've lost something and would really be grateful if one of the computer 
experts on the list would help me find it.  It's the back box in Firefox.  
It's driving me almost as crazy as when one of my old VW Beetles lost its backup gear. I 
can still hear the UF students laughing while I pushed it out of a parking space at the 
Thirsty Gator. I've looked everywhere, tried everything, and can't imagine where it got 
off to. Really getting tired of having to reload a website every time I want to go back 
one page.
Thanks in advance,
Gerry




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Re: [MBZ] What abut this?

2014-09-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
The biggest problem I see is that it's in Salinas, Kansas.

Not the end of the Earth but you can see it from there.

Dan


On Sep 17, 2014, at 10:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Looks nice
 From
 The outside 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 17, 2014, at 9:00 PM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 What about it? It's a beige six cylinder W108 with carbies and possible 
 issues after sitting for 8 years.
 Cheap enough I suppose?
 
 Hendrik
 who used to own a beige 123 with a carby
 
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 http://salina.craigslist.org/cto/4671704278.html
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] What abut this?

2014-09-17 Thread Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes
Sure, I can't see any obvious rust and it may be a low K example that 
wasn't driven much and spent it's life under cover.

The only way to really tell what it's like is to have a look.
The thing is if it is a very good original example you should keep it so 
and not drop in a better engine.
Not sure how well it would go in modern traffic and it will want to have 
a big drink at the servo every now and then but if it is a bit of a 
project/weekend cruiser, then yeah.
Really depends what you want in the way of the 108/9, this one may fly 
under the radar as it is not a V8 or a 109.


Hendrik
who would look at that if he was in the market for one

On 18/09/14 11:46, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Looks nice
From
The outside




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[MBZ] Double flaring tool recommendations?

2014-09-17 Thread John Reames via Mercedes
Have a couple of hard brake lines that rotted/chafed (unsure of which; there 
are two in close proximity) right near where they make a hard 90. 

They are the ones that go along the driver side of chassis from front to back 
on a 99 w210.

I'm sure the dealer is very proud of them, so my plan is to cut out the bad 
sections, then fabricate new bends and splice them in. 

I have no intention of using compression fittings or single flares; both are 
known to work loose.

Thanks in advance
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Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

Hendrik and Fay wrote:

 The issue is not so much why they are there but the big question is how to go 
 about making some real progress towards stability in the region but we better 
 not discuss that.

 Anyway when you say you lost the back box, do you mean the actual arrows

Gerry:  Ya, I lost the arrows.

 or will foxy just not remember where it was a few minutes ago? 
Can you go back by right clicking a page and selecting back?

G:  Ya, it will do that and it remembers the page, but I'm so used to clicking 
the arrowAnyway, I can get used to right clicking if nobody knows.

 Haven't used foxy in a while as it became too bloated, chrome has spat a 
 dummy after an upgrade so i am using chromium at the moment.

G:  Chrome I know.  What is chromium?  I tried Chrome when it first came out 
and found it a little too simple.  I'll have to try it again.
 
 Hendrik
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Re: [MBZ] What abut this?

2014-09-17 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
wondering about the condition of the interior...  Also, 280S is NOT fun to
drive - better to wait for an SE

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Sure, I can't see any obvious rust and it may be a low K example that
 wasn't driven much and spent it's life under cover.
 The only way to really tell what it's like is to have a look.
 The thing is if it is a very good original example you should keep it so
 and not drop in a better engine.
 Not sure how well it would go in modern traffic and it will want to have a
 big drink at the servo every now and then but if it is a bit of a
 project/weekend cruiser, then yeah.
 Really depends what you want in the way of the 108/9, this one may fly
 under the radar as it is not a V8 or a 109.

 Hendrik
 who would look at that if he was in the market for one

 On 18/09/14 11:46, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

 Looks nice
 From
 The outside



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Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Before this thread spirals into the great dustbin at some No Such Agency
data storage facility.. one last bit...

Mid East has never been stable in recorded history, far beyond the 1,435
years ago when islam was invented by a caravan robber named muhammed, and
since, there has been no peace and no progress of organized unified
civilization.

We in the Great Western Culture want quick, simple, easy answers. There are
none.

All solutions for that region will involve more than one lifetime to
achieve, and we as a collective set of nations just don't have the patience
to achieve that. Thus, it will evolve into a violent set of actions [my
prediction, yours may vary].

ISIS / ISIL ¿ whatever they wish to call themselves, has a plan which will
not stay in their region.. it clearly requires the conquest of the Western
Civilization and it's conversion to islam.. which I believe is not an
acceptable choice for the majority in the West.. They will not stay on
their turf and be happy.. as much as we wish they would.. we can not
appease them by leaving them alone.. ISIS, under other names is already
well populated within the borders of USA and UK, France, Denmark, Sweden,
Germany, Canada, and Australia. Their marching orders are laid on already..
ours are still fumbling in confusion [comforted yet?]... I'm not.

The following countries were taken by conquest of the sword for the
furtherance of islam, Spain, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Turkey, India [over
80,000,000 Hindu killed], Lebanon, the list is much longer, but it
illustrates my point. If you read history of each of these countries you
will see a pattern of attack was followed by the followers of muhammed,
which is being once again replicated.  Scared yet? Concerned?

I am, it may impact my ability to own and enjoy an antique Mercedes.




On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 The issue is not so much why they are there but the big question is how to
 go about making some real progress towards stability in the region but we
 better not discuss that.
 Anyway when you say you lost the back box, do you mean the actual arrows
 or will foxy just not remember where it was a few minutes ago? Can you go
 back by right clicking a page and selecting back?
 Haven't used foxy in a while as it became too bloated, chrome has spat a
 dummy after an upgrade so i am using chromium at the moment.

 Hendrik
 who gets frustrated with all this high tech stuff sometimes

 On 18/09/14 11:36, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

 Wow!  It doesn't take long for this group to implode!  Since some people
 say the reason we are in the Middle East is OIL!, let's stir some of that
 in and really get everyones cajones in an uproar. (Just kidding!)

 In the meantime, I've lost something and would really be grateful if one
 of the computer experts on the list would help me find it.  It's the back
 box in Firefox.  It's driving me almost as crazy as when one of my old VW
 Beetles lost its backup gear. I can still hear the UF students laughing
 while I pushed it out of a parking space at the Thirsty Gator. I've looked
 everywhere, tried everything, and can't imagine where it got off to. Really
 getting tired of having to reload a website every time I want to go back
 one page.
 Thanks in advance,
 Gerry



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Re: [MBZ] What abut this?

2014-09-17 Thread Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes
Yes it is a bit suss that no pictures where taken of the interior, 
unless the thing was locked and this is some sort of sales agent getting 
rid of farmer Browns old Church wagon.
However I can't see the point if the seller is trying to hide the 
interior, as it will be looked at eventually.
Although the interior won't tell you much, as they are so hard wearing a 
interior out of a 34k mile car can look just like one from a 134k one, 
the only tell tale would be pedal wear and steering wheel wear if 
applicable. Plus interiors are relatively easy to repair/replace, it's 
rust that would determine if this is worth mucking around with. Once you 
start with metalwork and paint, it gets pricey.
Then again if it needs paint, Klebby could paint it lime green and get a 
green interior from somewhere and drop in a OM or V8. Plus some 20 
spinners to get Wilton excited. Then there is bag it option to drop it low.


Hendrik
who would like a lime green 108
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to drive - better to wait for an SE





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Re: [MBZ] What abut this?

2014-09-17 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Do you have that 20 acres to park it on yet??? If not, where would you put
it?  :-)

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Re: [MBZ] Double flaring tool recommendations?

2014-09-17 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
I would like to suggest you consider buying pre-made length of hard line
which already has double flare with the compression nuts. It is available
in a good selection of length at NAPA I'm sure of, other FLAPS should have
it as well in metric. Remove the line and use a flexible tape measure [see
wifes sewing box for example] to get the total length needed, then select
the closest available [slightly longer if shorter is next option] Then use
the old line as a pattern to make the bends on the new one. If the new line
is a bit longer, fudge on the bends a little so the accumulated bends take
up the extra length.

This way, you have a line with no patches to fail and you only have to make
two connections and the retention clips for a good fix.. if the old line
has started to fail from rust.. it will fail more later.. logic..

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 7:50 PM, John Reames via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Have a couple of hard brake lines that rotted/chafed (unsure of which;
 there are two in close proximity) right near where they make a hard 90.

 They are the ones that go along the driver side of chassis from front to
 back on a 99 w210.

 I'm sure the dealer is very proud of them, so my plan is to cut out the
 bad sections, then fabricate new bends and splice them in.

 I have no intention of using compression fittings or single flares; both
 are known to work loose.

 Thanks in advance
  -j.


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Re: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A cars air con

2014-09-17 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
On my '87 wagon, the engine rpm signal wasn't getting passed to the KLIMA
relay via the main engine computer, so I ended up installing a bypass
relay in place of the KLIMA relay.  I lost transmission kick-down function
and the compressor cut-off belt saving feature, but gained AC.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] What abut this?

2014-09-17 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Still have not closed. Should be a couple days away

Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 17, 2014, at 10:22 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Do you have that 20 acres to park it on yet??? If not, where would you put 
 it?  :-)
 
 On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

That's the opinion of some well informed retirees here.  They believe that if 
there were no oil or minerals, Western nations would have little interest in 
the M.E. or Africa, so long as no other major power (Russia,China) moved in.
Gerrywho ends his 2 cents on the subject

G Mann wrote:
 Before this thread spirals into the great dustbin at some No Such Agency
 data storage facility.. one last bit...
 
 Mid East has never been stable in recorded history, far beyond the 1,435
 years ago when islam was invented by a caravan robber named muhammed, and
 since, there has been no peace and no progress of organized unified
 civilization.
 
 We in the Great Western Culture want quick, simple, easy answers. There are
 none.
 
 All solutions for that region will involve more than one lifetime to
 achieve, and we as a collective set of nations just don't have the patience
 to achieve that. Thus, it will evolve into a violent set of actions [my
 prediction, yours may vary].
 
 ISIS / ISIL ¿ whatever they wish to call themselves, has a plan which will
 not stay in their region.. it clearly requires the conquest of the Western
 Civilization and it's conversion to islam.. which I believe is not an
 acceptable choice for the majority in the West.. They will not stay on
 their turf and be happy.. as much as we wish they would.. we can not
 appease them by leaving them alone.. ISIS, under other names is already
 well populated within the borders of USA and UK, France, Denmark, Sweden,
 Germany, Canada, and Australia. Their marching orders are laid on already..
 ours are still fumbling in confusion [comforted yet?]... I'm not.
 
 The following countries were taken by conquest of the sword for the
 furtherance of islam, Spain, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Turkey, India [over
 80,000,000 Hindu killed], Lebanon, the list is much longer, but it
 illustrates my point. If you read history of each of these countries you
 will see a pattern of attack was followed by the followers of muhammed,
 which is being once again replicated.  Scared yet? Concerned?
 
 I am, it may impact my ability to own and enjoy an antique Mercedes.
 
 
 
 
 On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  The issue is not so much why they are there but the big question is how to
  go about making some real progress towards stability in the region but we
  better not discuss that.
  Anyway when you say you lost the back box, do you mean the actual arrows
  or will foxy just not remember where it was a few minutes ago? Can you go
  back by right clicking a page and selecting back?
  Haven't used foxy in a while as it became too bloated, chrome has spat a
  dummy after an upgrade so i am using chromium at the moment.
 
  Hendrik
  who gets frustrated with all this high tech stuff sometimes
 
  On 18/09/14 11:36, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
 
  Wow!  It doesn't take long for this group to implode!  Since some people
  say the reason we are in the Middle East is OIL!, let's stir some of that
  in and really get everyones cajones in an uproar. (Just kidding!)
 
  In the meantime, I've lost something and would really be grateful if one
  of the computer experts on the list would help me find it.  It's the back
  box in Firefox.  It's driving me almost as crazy as when one of my old VW
  Beetles lost its backup gear. I can still hear the UF students laughing
  while I pushed it out of a parking space at the Thirsty Gator. I've looked
  everywhere, tried everything, and can't imagine where it got off to. Really
  getting tired of having to reload a website every time I want to go back
  one page.
  Thanks in advance,
  Gerry
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Still a great essay from the Colonel.  

The debacle that was Viet Nam is less an indictment of war than an indictment 
of the way that particular non-war was defined and prosecuted.  Even a casual 
review of world history will tell you that sustained peace is not normal unless 
a superpower oversees things.

Consider this.   A vanishing minority of Americans has any first-hand 
experience with actual war.  No living Americans except some immigrants have 
any experience living through war their own back yard.  Thanks to two big 
oceans, relatively peaceful neighbors north and south, and a half-century 
American age of relative world peace, the vast majority of fat, lazy, 
cell-phone addicted Americans are clueless when it comes to the depths of evil 
in the world.  But if we continue on the current course, I think they may learn.

Scott


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 Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:02 PM
 
 THE TRAGEDY AND THE WALL
 By Wilton Strickland, Lt Col, USAF (Ret)
 
  The tragedy of the Vietnam War is exceeded by only slavery and the Civil
 War as this nation’s greatest tragedy. Not only were thousands of fine, young
 Americans sacrificed needlessly, sent into harm’s way by a government with
 no commitment to a resolution to the conflict, the conflict divided the
 country like nothing else but the Civil War.
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71

2014-09-17 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Terminology

An assault rifle is a light rifle that fires a reduced power cartridge and is 
capable of automatic operation.  Automatic operation means it's a machine gun 
that fires as long as the trigger is pressed.

The term assault weapon has no precise meaning but the media seems to like it.

The M-16 is a US military assault rifle that fires a 5.56 mm cartridge which is 
a military version of the 2.23 caliber varmint cartridge.  The M-16 has a 20 
inch  barrel.  There were several revisions (denoted A1, A2, A3, and A4) with 
different sights, stocks, a forward assist, burst limiter, and several 
smaller changes.  The Air Force adopted the M-16  in the mid 1960s for use by 
Air Police.  The Army adopted the M-16 during Viet Nam, for cost reasons and 
because infantry men could carry many more of the smaller 5.56 cartridges 
compared to.30 caliper (30.06 and NATO 7.62) cartridges.  The many reported 
M-16 problems in Viet Nam were largely caused by misinformation, lack of 
cleaning kits, and unverified changes to the ammo.  Still, the M-16 fundamental 
design uses precision parts and it is significantly more vulnerable to dirt and 
operator abuse than the COMBLOCK AK-47/74 variants.

The M-4 is a carbine version of the M-16 but with a 16 inch barrel and 
significant changes to the gas and feed systems to provide reliable operation.  
Still, for various technical reasons, bolt carrier operation in the M-4 is more 
violent than the M-16 and feed problems seem more common.

The AR-15 was a semi-auto civilian version of the M-16 which was produced by 
Armalite.  However, these days the terms AR and AR-15 are commonly sued to 
indicate any semi-auto AR-15 style firearm from any manufacturer, including 
rifles, carbines, and even pistols.  The semi-auto  version is almost identical 
to the auto/select-fire version except it lacks the auto disconnector mechanism 
and machined holes for the associated shaft.  Almost all civilian AR rifles 
sold today are based on the M-4, mot the M-16.  It is more precise to describe 
a semi-auto gun as auto-loading



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