Re: [MBZ] Fw: CARbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71
It's a semi-automatic rifle, if you put a shorter barrel in it, it's still an automatic rifle in carbine configuration. Technically to be an assault rifle it would need to have selective fire control. Hendrik who has been reading wikipedia On 17/09/14 14:46, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: Original Message From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:21 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Reply To: Greg Fiorentino Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71 Actually, the discussion was mainly about nomenclature of an AR-15, and whether it is properly called a carbine, a rifle, or an assault rifle. Actually, firearms are much closer to Mercedes content than are apple trees; since they are both the pinnacle of mechanical technology of their time. I'm not opposed to discussing hardware, be it small arms, watches, washing machines, iPhone, or Mercedes. Just don't mix in emotion, and or politics. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Daimler
Interesting that around the early 1980s when Mercedes was having trouble selling cars, it was announced that henceforth the sales division would be running Mercedes rather than the engineering division. A few years later it was announced that only the most expensive cars would be sold in the U.S. That philosophy still seems to be in effect at Mercedes. The expensive cars are fine for someone who is not interested in economy of operation (which includes repairs, price, and resale), but those of us who are must now look elsewhere if we want late model cars. In terms of economy and reliability, the Japanese; especially Honda and Toyota; are the current champs although some European makes not imported to the U.S. may be better. Gerry...who always look for cost of operation first. .. OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I suspect that is the result of market research and actual customer preferences. I don't think that this group represents the average new MB buyer. We are indeed, a relatively odd lot . . . . On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I suspect there was considerable leakage of junk gizmo flashy crap into Mercedes from Chrysler. The new cars are NOT like the old ones, rather tinny, full of electronic toys of dubious utility and designed in failure. And they are UGLY and very hard to see out of. Peter -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8224 - Release Date: 09/16/14 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71
After pulling tripe out of hog bellies on a meat packing company production line one summer at age 15 during WW-2, I never want to see a piece of trip again. It's called omentum in medicine, stores fat, and wraps itself around infections, cancer, etc. when they occur in the belly. If I want to eat fat, I'll eat that fine old Deep South dish called fatback or fat bacon; not tripe. (end of rant) Gerry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_omentum .. Jon Agne wrote: Tripe. I love that word. On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:17 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I guess I should be more specific more permissive. I would like to stop what you call political tripe not apple trees or BMW. Yes I can delete IF listers use correct headings. My question is why should I have to. DAN- Mr moderator What do you say? On Sep 16, 2014 10:05 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Original Message From: Dwight Giles via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 8:23 PM To: Hendrik and Fay; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Dwight Giles Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71 I AM trying to stifle discussion that is not MB or car related and is just political rants of any persuasion. I joined this list in 2002 for Mercedes content. Rant off. While not car related, I do enjoy occasional apple tree discussions, woodworking discussions, tractor discussions, generator discussions, etc. There is a vast wealth of knowledge here on this list and to limit the topics to Mercedes only would be stifling to the transference of intelligence and information to all. I could live without the occasional political tripe, but I overlook it, because of the abundance of good intellectual conversation on other subjects. I need to finish cleaning out my garage, so I can work on these old Mercedes, and buy some parts from Jabba. (MB content.) Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8224 - Release Date: 09/16/14 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] FW: Daimler
Latter Day? Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 23:20:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: Daimler From: jabbahur...@gmail.com To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com utah saints? On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Fred Moir fredh.s...@hotmail.com wrote: Gary.Saints, I'd think. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71 OT no Merc content whatsoever
I was pondering something similar... -Curt From: WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71 OT no Merc content whatsoever And if y'all are not careful, I may hafta throw in another silly Sondy tale. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:47 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106,Issue 71 OT no Merc content whatsoever It's just the nature of the beast, often times a thread will diverge and end up being not even close to the original topic but as long as it is fun and civil, who cares. It is not like you have to sift through a couple of hundred messages every day, these old school email based discussion lists where never meant for hundreds of people, perhaps dozens. Perhaps in a a perfect world, there would be perfect discussion lists but I figure, given how much it costs to be a part of this list, you sort of have to put up with a few issues. There is lots of stuff discussed here that I have little interest in but someone else may be highly interested, to be sure some of the stuff I post is probably of little interest to some here but perhaps someone will listen to my crap. As has been said before, I we tighten up the rules regarding what can and can't be discussed/asked here, we will have close to zero messages, cause people take the safe route and not ask, for fear of offending someone. Hendrik who is dribbling again On 17/09/14 11:47, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote: I guess I should be more specific more permissive. I would like to stop what you call political tripe not apple trees or BMW. Yes I can delete IF listers use correct headings. My question is why should I have to. DAN- Mr moderator What do you say? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71 OT no Merc content whatsoever
And if y'all are not careful, I may hafta throw in another silly Sondy tale. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:47 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106,Issue 71 OT no Merc content whatsoever It's just the nature of the beast, often times a thread will diverge and end up being not even close to the original topic but as long as it is fun and civil, who cares. It is not like you have to sift through a couple of hundred messages every day, these old school email based discussion lists where never meant for hundreds of people, perhaps dozens. Perhaps in a a perfect world, there would be perfect discussion lists but I figure, given how much it costs to be a part of this list, you sort of have to put up with a few issues. There is lots of stuff discussed here that I have little interest in but someone else may be highly interested, to be sure some of the stuff I post is probably of little interest to some here but perhaps someone will listen to my crap. As has been said before, I we tighten up the rules regarding what can and can't be discussed/asked here, we will have close to zero messages, cause people take the safe route and not ask, for fear of offending someone. Hendrik who is dribbling again On 17/09/14 11:47, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote: I guess I should be more specific more permissive. I would like to stop what you call political tripe not apple trees or BMW. Yes I can delete IF listers use correct headings. My question is why should I have to. DAN- Mr moderator What do you say? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Wiper parking
[wiper] does not park or intermittent not working. What controls that? On our 107 those functions are controlled by the wiper relay. I know, 'cause some PO had kicked ours (on the floor above the gas pedal) and broken it off. The wipers would not stop in their park position, nor would the intermittent function work. I glued the PCB back together, and soldered bridges over the broken traces. It's been working fine ever since. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: My website
Well, _that_ was a waste of time. Our ISP decided, unilaterally, without notice or discussion, to cut off even the ability to host our own website, unless we pay them an additional $10/month. Color me not interested in extortion. I have to start the whole process over I guess, including revisiting now who our ISP is. (There is more than one choice, here.) Too bad I flushed everything out of my computer and my brain after I got it all working in June. I'm pretty sure I can get what I want elsewhere for much less than $120/year, at the very least. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fw: Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71
Balogna -- Sent from myMail app for Android Wednesday, 17 September 2014, 01:16AM -0400 from Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com: Original Message From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:21 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Reply To: Greg Fiorentino Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71 Actually, the discussion was mainly about nomenclature of an AR-15, and whether it is properly called a carbine, a rifle, or an assault rifle. Actually, firearms are much closer to Mercedes content than are apple trees; since they are both the pinnacle of mechanical technology of their time. I'm not opposed to discussing hardware, be it small arms, watches, washing machines, iPhone, or Mercedes. Just don't mix in emotion, and or politics. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71 OT no Merc content whatsoever
The talk is civil if not off topic, but that's OK for the most part. I'm not going to play ListMom with a heavy hand as long as everyone is playing nice together. We're all adults here and I believe everyone should have a Delete key. As far as I'm concerned that's your personal filter. Dan On Sep 17, 2014, at 9:55 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I was pondering something similar... -Curt From: WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71 OT no Merc content whatsoever And if y'all are not careful, I may hafta throw in another silly Sondy tale. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:47 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106,Issue 71 OT no Merc content whatsoever It's just the nature of the beast, often times a thread will diverge and end up being not even close to the original topic but as long as it is fun and civil, who cares. It is not like you have to sift through a couple of hundred messages every day, these old school email based discussion lists where never meant for hundreds of people, perhaps dozens. Perhaps in a a perfect world, there would be perfect discussion lists but I figure, given how much it costs to be a part of this list, you sort of have to put up with a few issues. There is lots of stuff discussed here that I have little interest in but someone else may be highly interested, to be sure some of the stuff I post is probably of little interest to some here but perhaps someone will listen to my crap. As has been said before, I we tighten up the rules regarding what can and can't be discussed/asked here, we will have close to zero messages, cause people take the safe route and not ask, for fear of offending someone. Hendrik who is dribbling again On 17/09/14 11:47, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote: I guess I should be more specific more permissive. I would like to stop what you call political tripe not apple trees or BMW. Yes I can delete IF listers use correct headings. My question is why should I have to. DAN- Mr moderator What do you say? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: My website
That stinks! The information on your site is very popular among the MB online community, including this one. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Sep 17, 2014 10:13 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Well, _that_ was a waste of time. Our ISP decided, unilaterally, without notice or discussion, to cut off even the ability to host our own website, unless we pay them an additional $10/month. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: My website
For what I do (and you too I'd suspect) 11 is entirely sufficient. I don't send emails from my webhost which I guess is a problem for some. Its super cheap, I think I pay $18 or $20 a year... -Curt Who is reminded he should probably update the thing one of these days... From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: My website Well, _that_ was a waste of time. Our ISP decided, unilaterally, without notice or discussion, to cut off even the ability to host our own website, unless we pay them an additional $10/month. Color me not interested in extortion. I have to start the whole process over I guess, including revisiting now who our ISP is. (There is more than one choice, here.) Too bad I flushed everything out of my computer and my brain after I got it all working in June. I'm pretty sure I can get what I want elsewhere for much less than $120/year, at the very least. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: My website
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: For what I do (and you too I'd suspect) 11 is entirely sufficient. I don't send emails from my webhost which I guess is a problem for some. Its super cheap, I think I pay $18 or $20 a year... I just started using a virtual private server from peakservers, since my site has been down for a couple of years I thought I needed to get my hands dirty again. I am paying $3.50 monthly for a 100GB (or 150GB?) OpenVZ plan, with CPU/memory resources roughly comparable to my computer at home. Oh, and a static IP and 100MB link. :) There are many cheaper options, including annual, depending on needs. If you are reasonably comfortable in Linux and hosting your own server, a VPS with a static IP is a great choice - it lets you do a lot more than just host a web site, including DNS, proxy from work, playground for new OSs, etc. lowendbox.com is a good resource for super-cheap VPSs, though I got the peakservers deal from webhostingtalk.com. I see that LEB has a $10/year plan on the front page that would probably be more than sufficient for your site, if you were only going to use it to serve your static pages. Jim, if you like, I can set up a virtual domain in Apache, and spider your server content, though that would mean my downtimes are also your downtimes. Still, happy to do it, permanently or temporarily if you just want some time to look into things. Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71 OT no Merc content whatsoever
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:51:06 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: And if y'all are not careful, I may hafta throw in another silly Sondy tale. ;) Do it! Do it! Do it! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fw: Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71
Should have beenn bologna despite what spellcheck thinks. On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:36 AM, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Balogna -- Sent from myMail app for Android Wednesday, 17 September 2014, 01:16AM -0400 from Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com: Original Message From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:21 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Reply To: Greg Fiorentino Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71 Actually, the discussion was mainly about nomenclature of an AR-15, and whether it is properly called a carbine, a rifle, or an assault rifle. Actually, firearms are much closer to Mercedes content than are apple trees; since they are both the pinnacle of mechanical technology of their time. I'm not opposed to discussing hardware, be it small arms, watches, washing machines, iPhone, or Mercedes. Just don't mix in emotion, and or politics. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: My website
Thisun, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: My website That stinks! The information on your site is very popular among the MB online community, including this one. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Sep 17, 2014 10:13 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Well, _that_ was a waste of time. Our ISP decided, unilaterally, without notice or discussion, to cut off even the ability to host our own website, unless we pay them an additional $10/month. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fw: Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71
How about baloney? Dan On Sep 17, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Should have beenn bologna despite what spellcheck thinks. On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:36 AM, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Balogna -- Sent from myMail app for Android Wednesday, 17 September 2014, 01:16AM -0400 from Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com: Original Message From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:21 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Reply To: Greg Fiorentino Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71 Actually, the discussion was mainly about nomenclature of an AR-15, and whether it is properly called a carbine, a rifle, or an assault rifle. Actually, firearms are much closer to Mercedes content than are apple trees; since they are both the pinnacle of mechanical technology of their time. I'm not opposed to discussing hardware, be it small arms, watches, washing machines, iPhone, or Mercedes. Just don't mix in emotion, and or politics. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fw: Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71
Not to date myself, but that was the default spelling when I was growing up. Baloney might be more appropriate in this case as it conveys my intent without even a hint of ambiguity. On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How about baloney? Dan On Sep 17, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Should have beenn bologna despite what spellcheck thinks. On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:36 AM, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Balogna -- Sent from myMail app for Android Wednesday, 17 September 2014, 01:16AM -0400 from Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com: Original Message From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:21 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Reply To: Greg Fiorentino Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71 Actually, the discussion was mainly about nomenclature of an AR-15, and whether it is properly called a carbine, a rifle, or an assault rifle. Actually, firearms are much closer to Mercedes content than are apple trees; since they are both the pinnacle of mechanical technology of their time. I'm not opposed to discussing hardware, be it small arms, watches, washing machines, iPhone, or Mercedes. Just don't mix in emotion, and or politics. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT but food for thought
THE TRAGEDY AND THE WALL By Wilton Strickland, Lt Col, USAF (Ret) The tragedy of the Vietnam War is exceeded by only slavery and the Civil War as this nation’s greatest tragedy. Not only were thousands of fine, young Americans sacrificed needlessly, sent into harm’s way by a government with no commitment to a resolution to the conflict, the conflict divided the country like nothing else but the Civil War. The tragedy is best illustrated by the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, the black granite wall in Washington, DC, which has etched into it more than 58 thousand names of the real heroes of the war. Members of their families are also heroes who still suffer from the perpetual absence of their loved ones who have never returned. Thousands of children have grown up never knowing their fathers and grandfathers, and thousands of children and grandchildren of the victims have never been born and never will be. Many families have waited 45 years and more not knowing the fates of their lost loved-ones, and many will never know. The suffering continues. To get a proper feel for this tragedy and to help us better understand and to remember, every American should visit the Memorial, study those names etched into it and think very seriously about how they got there. Let me quickly review some of the events and policies that put them there, starting with the French, who have had a strong influence and presence in the areas of Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam since the mid 1800‘s. For many years, the area was even known as French Indochina. During WWII, the area was captured and occupied by the Japanese. After WWII, the French tried to reassert control, but meanwhile, a Communist insurgency led by Ho Chi Minh had gained strong influence, and a civil war erupted. The United States began to provide military aid to the French in Vietnam in 1950, but the Communist forces defeated the French at Dien Bien Phu in 1954, and Viet Nam was divided into North and South Vietnam along a demilitarized zone just south of the 17th parallel with a Communist government in the North and a government friendly to the United States in the South. South Vietnam immediately began asking the United States for support against Communist influence and insurgency from the North - the first being given in 1955. The insurgency in the South was originally conducted by local forces friendly to the North and were known as Viet Minh (also Viet Cong). Later, many North Vietnamese troops were also directly involved. As the insurgency increased, the United States gradually increased aid to South Vietnam, including military supplies, equipment and military advisors working closely with the South Vietnamese Army and Air Force. By late 1962, I was living in Georgia as an Air Force lieutenant on a B-52 combat crew. There I spent about a third of my time on alert with B-52’s loaded with nuclear weapons ready to launch at a moment’s notice and strike targets in the Soviet Union. By 1963 and ‘64, I began to see articles in the “Atlanta Constitution” newspaper about American military advisors being killed in Vietnam. This was very disturbing to me. I could so easily remember the stalemate that dragged on for years in Korea without a resolution only 10 to 12 years or so before. I was afraid that the conflict in Vietnam would get bogged down into the same type of indecisiveness. I felt that, because of the way that it was going to be conducted, i. e., piecemeal and haphazardly, we should not get involved in Vietnam, but if we were going to be involved, we should be quick and decisive about it. We were easing into a war that most Americans didn’t even know about. Those who did know about it didn’t seem to care as long as it was somebody else’s son, brother, husband, cousin or friend who was getting killed, hurt or taken prisoner. Then in Aug of ‘64, there were two incidents that led to much greater American involvement - American war ships in international waters in the Gulf of Tonkin off of N. Vietnam were confronted and fired upon by several N. Vietnamese torpedo boats. The American ships returned fire and sank one of the boats. A couple of nights later, nervous and “antsy” RADAR operators on the American ships in the same area saw what they thought were the N. Vietnamese boats again and the Americans fired wildly on them. Thorough investigation years later confirmed that there were no N. Vietnamese boats there that night - they turned out to have been imagined - caused by spurious returns on the ships‘ RADAR and anxious operators. Meanwhile, Congress passed the Gulf of Tokin Resolution that granted President Johnson authority to assist any Southeast Asian country whose government was considered to be jeopardized by Communist aggression.” Johnson used this resolution as legal justification for greatly increasing and deploying additional U.S. forces to the area
Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:02:09 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: THE TRAGEDY AND THE WALL By Wilton Strickland, Lt Col, USAF (Ret) Not a silly Sondy tale, but thank you, Wilton. We had conducted the most intense bombing campaign ever against the most heavily-defended complex in history. I was confident that the campaign was over, that it had been won and that the war was finally ending as we departed Hanoi for the last time. During the following two years, however, after US forces had withdrawn, Congress gave away what had been so dearly won. And we are about to get into another situation like Vietnam and Afghanistan. Years ago, we trained the mujhadeen in Afghanistan to fight for us. What did that get for us? Hardened adversaries using our weapons and training against us. In Syria, training and supplying the rebels to do our fighting for us has all the hallmarks of both Vietnam and Afghanistan. With as loose and convoluted things are among the Muslim in the mid-East, it is very likely the weapons we provide will be used against our troops or Israeli troops. In trying to take a short cut for a quick, easy solution -- no American boots on the ground -- we are setting ourselves up for even more long-term grief in the mid-East. Even North Vietnam’s military commander, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap, agreed with me “What we still don’t understand is why you Americans stopped the bombing of Hanoi (in Dec ‘72). If you had pressed us a little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to surrender! It was the same at the battle of TET in ’68. You defeated us! We knew it, and we thought you knew it. But we were elated that your media was helping us. They were causing more disruption in America than we could on the battlefields. We were ready to surrender. You had won!” General Giap merely confirmed what many Americans already knew. The Vietnam War was not lost on the battlefields in Vietnam — it was lost at home by public opinion and given away by Congress. And there it is. The media were and still are against the best interests of the American people. They are only interested in keeping themselves and their cronies in power. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Beef liver (was Re: Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71)
I was under the impression that a non-penetrating captive bolt gun was the best way to ensure that no nervous system tissues entered the bloodstream, with the idea being to further reduce the chances of BSE entering the food supply... -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Sep 17, 2014, at 1:50, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Recipes? What is your preferred caliber for harvesting cows? Calves? Max Dillon, Charleston SC Pushing it again, lighten up people! On Sep 17, 2014 12:18 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If I had to choose between tripe and beef liver I would really stress out. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought
I am not a raging militarist, but how can we turn our backs on the barbarism that is ISIS? On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:02:09 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: THE TRAGEDY AND THE WALL By Wilton Strickland, Lt Col, USAF (Ret) Not a silly Sondy tale, but thank you, Wilton. We had conducted the most intense bombing campaign ever against the most heavily-defended complex in history. I was confident that the campaign was over, that it had been won and that the war was finally ending as we departed Hanoi for the last time. During the following two years, however, after US forces had withdrawn, Congress gave away what had been so dearly won. And we are about to get into another situation like Vietnam and Afghanistan. Years ago, we trained the mujhadeen in Afghanistan to fight for us. What did that get for us? Hardened adversaries using our weapons and training against us. In Syria, training and supplying the rebels to do our fighting for us has all the hallmarks of both Vietnam and Afghanistan. With as loose and convoluted things are among the Muslim in the mid-East, it is very likely the weapons we provide will be used against our troops or Israeli troops. In trying to take a short cut for a quick, easy solution -- no American boots on the ground -- we are setting ourselves up for even more long-term grief in the mid-East. Even North Vietnam’s military commander, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap, agreed with me “What we still don’t understand is why you Americans stopped the bombing of Hanoi (in Dec ‘72). If you had pressed us a little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to surrender! It was the same at the battle of TET in ’68. You defeated us! We knew it, and we thought you knew it. But we were elated that your media was helping us. They were causing more disruption in America than we could on the battlefields. We were ready to surrender. You had won!” General Giap merely confirmed what many Americans already knew. The Vietnam War was not lost on the battlefields in Vietnam — it was lost at home by public opinion and given away by Congress. And there it is. The media were and still are against the best interests of the American people. They are only interested in keeping themselves and their cronies in power. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Beef liver (was Re: Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71)
I prefer to think of the Schmoo rather than slaughterhouse techniques, when eating beef liver. Shmoos are delicious to eat, and are eager to be eaten. If a human looks at one hungrily, it will happily immolate itself — either by jumping into a frying pan, after which they taste like chicken http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taste_like_chicken, or into a broiling pan, after which they taste like steak. When roasted they taste like pork, and when baked they taste like catfish. (Raw, they taste like oysters http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyster on the half-shell.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shmoo On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:57 PM, John Reames via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I was under the impression that a non-penetrating captive bolt gun was the best way to ensure that no nervous system tissues entered the bloodstream, with the idea being to further reduce the chances of BSE entering the food supply... -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Sep 17, 2014, at 1:50, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Recipes? What is your preferred caliber for harvesting cows? Calves? Max Dillon, Charleston SC Pushing it again, lighten up people! On Sep 17, 2014 12:18 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If I had to choose between tripe and beef liver I would really stress out. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought
I say we take off and nuke the whole site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. --R On 9/17/14 4:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: I am not a raging militarist, but how can we turn our backs on the barbarism that is ISIS? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought
As civilized humans it is our duty to recognize deadly threats and respond with suitable deadly force to preserve both ourselves and civilization. That is a basic human right given by our Creator [insert your own religious belief here, or not] that has survived every advance and decline of humanity. It is so basic it has nothing to do with raging militarist, in my humble opinion. Having lived among the muslim world for more than a decade, I understand the culture of violence that encapsulates, perhaps better than others. FWIW, isis can only be crushed for civilization to survive where ever isis touches. Respectfully, Grant... On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I am not a raging militarist, but how can we turn our backs on the barbarism that is ISIS? On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:02:09 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: THE TRAGEDY AND THE WALL By Wilton Strickland, Lt Col, USAF (Ret) Not a silly Sondy tale, but thank you, Wilton. We had conducted the most intense bombing campaign ever against the most heavily-defended complex in history. I was confident that the campaign was over, that it had been won and that the war was finally ending as we departed Hanoi for the last time. During the following two years, however, after US forces had withdrawn, Congress gave away what had been so dearly won. And we are about to get into another situation like Vietnam and Afghanistan. Years ago, we trained the mujhadeen in Afghanistan to fight for us. What did that get for us? Hardened adversaries using our weapons and training against us. In Syria, training and supplying the rebels to do our fighting for us has all the hallmarks of both Vietnam and Afghanistan. With as loose and convoluted things are among the Muslim in the mid-East, it is very likely the weapons we provide will be used against our troops or Israeli troops. In trying to take a short cut for a quick, easy solution -- no American boots on the ground -- we are setting ourselves up for even more long-term grief in the mid-East. Even North Vietnam’s military commander, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap, agreed with me “What we still don’t understand is why you Americans stopped the bombing of Hanoi (in Dec ‘72). If you had pressed us a little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to surrender! It was the same at the battle of TET in ’68. You defeated us! We knew it, and we thought you knew it. But we were elated that your media was helping us. They were causing more disruption in America than we could on the battlefields. We were ready to surrender. You had won!” General Giap merely confirmed what many Americans already knew. The Vietnam War was not lost on the battlefields in Vietnam — it was lost at home by public opinion and given away by Congress. And there it is. The media were and still are against the best interests of the American people. They are only interested in keeping themselves and their cronies in power. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought
A heartfelt thank you to WIlton for his posting. I also have friends at the Wall, and have given that salute of respect. In my case, I went from 2 tours Vietnam to 7 years of Afghanistan, working with Mujhadeen and Pashtun tribes in Northern Tribal Territories of Pakistan, followed by other postings in Iran, Turkey, Saudi, etc etc.. All the vacation hot spots of the world.. Even today, I can remember the smell of pita bread toasted over a camel dung fire and goat meat.. yep.. lovely... with a side of open sewer... On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:41 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: As civilized humans it is our duty to recognize deadly threats and respond with suitable deadly force to preserve both ourselves and civilization. That is a basic human right given by our Creator [insert your own religious belief here, or not] that has survived every advance and decline of humanity. It is so basic it has nothing to do with raging militarist, in my humble opinion. Having lived among the muslim world for more than a decade, I understand the culture of violence that encapsulates, perhaps better than others. FWIW, isis can only be crushed for civilization to survive where ever isis touches. Respectfully, Grant... On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I am not a raging militarist, but how can we turn our backs on the barbarism that is ISIS? On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:02:09 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: THE TRAGEDY AND THE WALL By Wilton Strickland, Lt Col, USAF (Ret) Not a silly Sondy tale, but thank you, Wilton. We had conducted the most intense bombing campaign ever against the most heavily-defended complex in history. I was confident that the campaign was over, that it had been won and that the war was finally ending as we departed Hanoi for the last time. During the following two years, however, after US forces had withdrawn, Congress gave away what had been so dearly won. And we are about to get into another situation like Vietnam and Afghanistan. Years ago, we trained the mujhadeen in Afghanistan to fight for us. What did that get for us? Hardened adversaries using our weapons and training against us. In Syria, training and supplying the rebels to do our fighting for us has all the hallmarks of both Vietnam and Afghanistan. With as loose and convoluted things are among the Muslim in the mid-East, it is very likely the weapons we provide will be used against our troops or Israeli troops. In trying to take a short cut for a quick, easy solution -- no American boots on the ground -- we are setting ourselves up for even more long-term grief in the mid-East. Even North Vietnam’s military commander, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap, agreed with me “What we still don’t understand is why you Americans stopped the bombing of Hanoi (in Dec ‘72). If you had pressed us a little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to surrender! It was the same at the battle of TET in ’68. You defeated us! We knew it, and we thought you knew it. But we were elated that your media was helping us. They were causing more disruption in America than we could on the battlefields. We were ready to surrender. You had won!” General Giap merely confirmed what many Americans already knew. The Vietnam War was not lost on the battlefields in Vietnam — it was lost at home by public opinion and given away by Congress. And there it is. The media were and still are against the best interests of the American people. They are only interested in keeping themselves and their cronies in power. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought
fight fight fight fight fight fight On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 4:41 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: As civilized humans it is our duty to recognize deadly threats and respond with suitable deadly force to preserve both ourselves and civilization. That is a basic human right given by our Creator [insert your own religious belief here, or not] that has survived every advance and decline of humanity. It is so basic it has nothing to do with raging militarist, in my humble opinion. Having lived among the muslim world for more than a decade, I understand the culture of violence that encapsulates, perhaps better than others. FWIW, isis can only be crushed for civilization to survive where ever isis touches. Respectfully, Grant... On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I am not a raging militarist, but how can we turn our backs on the barbarism that is ISIS? On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:02:09 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: THE TRAGEDY AND THE WALL By Wilton Strickland, Lt Col, USAF (Ret) Not a silly Sondy tale, but thank you, Wilton. We had conducted the most intense bombing campaign ever against the most heavily-defended complex in history. I was confident that the campaign was over, that it had been won and that the war was finally ending as we departed Hanoi for the last time. During the following two years, however, after US forces had withdrawn, Congress gave away what had been so dearly won. And we are about to get into another situation like Vietnam and Afghanistan. Years ago, we trained the mujhadeen in Afghanistan to fight for us. What did that get for us? Hardened adversaries using our weapons and training against us. In Syria, training and supplying the rebels to do our fighting for us has all the hallmarks of both Vietnam and Afghanistan. With as loose and convoluted things are among the Muslim in the mid-East, it is very likely the weapons we provide will be used against our troops or Israeli troops. In trying to take a short cut for a quick, easy solution -- no American boots on the ground -- we are setting ourselves up for even more long-term grief in the mid-East. Even North Vietnam’s military commander, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap, agreed with me “What we still don’t understand is why you Americans stopped the bombing of Hanoi (in Dec ‘72). If you had pressed us a little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to surrender! It was the same at the battle of TET in ’68. You defeated us! We knew it, and we thought you knew it. But we were elated that your media was helping us. They were causing more disruption in America than we could on the battlefields. We were ready to surrender. You had won!” General Giap merely confirmed what many Americans already knew. The Vietnam War was not lost on the battlefields in Vietnam — it was lost at home by public opinion and given away by Congress. And there it is. The media were and still are against the best interests of the American people. They are only interested in keeping themselves and their cronies in power. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com*
Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:30:17 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I am not a raging militarist, but how can we turn our backs on the barbarism that is ISIS? I am not saying that we should. If you read my email, you would have seen, more than once, the phrase, do our fighting for us. That should have been a clue to my position. Yes, the Muslims, when they do all that the Koran says, are a viscious lot and not the religion of peace. It is a right and proper thing to use military force, in conjunction with other nations, to stop the barbarism, but we cannot take short-cuts and expect others to do our fighting for us, particularly Muslims against their bretheren. The only way for true peace in the mid-East, however, is for all to acknowledge the Prince of Peace and turn to Him for forgiveness and cleansing. All other methods will ultimately be futile. Unfortunately, our nation is turning away from Him and forgetting what made it great. If we continue, we likewise will have problems. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought
I think ISIS needs to be stopped but I don't think its US that needs to be doing it. The Iraqis threw us out, they and their arab brethren need to stand up and take care of their own problems. We have no business fixing the worlds problems. For one we're not very good at it and for two we really can't afford it either monetarily or from a waste of human life perspective. Iraq has become my generation's Vietnam, all those lives wasted and what do we have to show for it? By any reasonable measure the plight of the average Iraqi is worse today than it was 15 years ago. -Curt From: Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:30:17 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I am not a raging militarist, but how can we turn our backs on the barbarism that is ISIS? I am not saying that we should. If you read my email, you would have seen, more than once, the phrase, do our fighting for us. That should have been a clue to my position. Yes, the Muslims, when they do all that the Koran says, are a viscious lot and not the religion of peace. It is a right and proper thing to use military force, in conjunction with other nations, to stop the barbarism, but we cannot take short-cuts and expect others to do our fighting for us, particularly Muslims against their bretheren. The only way for true peace in the mid-East, however, is for all to acknowledge the Prince of Peace and turn to Him for forgiveness and cleansing. All other methods will ultimately be futile. Unfortunately, our nation is turning away from Him and forgetting what made it great. If we continue, we likewise will have problems. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought
you can get lynched for that kinda talk in most of 'merka, boy On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:30:17 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I am not a raging militarist, but how can we turn our backs on the barbarism that is ISIS? I am not saying that we should. If you read my email, you would have seen, more than once, the phrase, do our fighting for us. That should have been a clue to my position. Yes, the Muslims, when they do all that the Koran says, are a viscious lot and not the religion of peace. It is a right and proper thing to use military force, in conjunction with other nations, to stop the barbarism, but we cannot take short-cuts and expect others to do our fighting for us, particularly Muslims against their bretheren. The only way for true peace in the mid-East, however, is for all to acknowledge the Prince of Peace and turn to Him for forgiveness and cleansing. All other methods will ultimately be futile. Unfortunately, our nation is turning away from Him and forgetting what made it great. If we continue, we likewise will have problems. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought
Curt, I've asked several Iraqis point blank: did America do the right thing? The answer they gave me is Yes!. The Iraqis didn't throw us out, Barack Hussein Obama made it a campaign pledge to pull us out. Iraq very much wanted to negotiate an agreement for our troops to stay, it was Obama who ended those negotiations. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Sep 17, 2014 5:20 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Iraq has become my generation's Vietnam, all those lives wasted and what do we have to show for it? By any reasonable measure the plight of the average Iraqi is worse today than it was 15 years ago. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 17:22:43 -0400 Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: you can get lynched for that kinda talk in most of 'merka, boy And that's the problem to which I was referring. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Daimler
Well, thats pretty much what they do. I have a bare-bones GLK 250 blue tec as a company car right now. It has very few options, not too many of the modern gizmos. I really like it, despite not liking SUVs. I think it actually rides better than the C class! And the 4 cylinder diesel is wonderful. They're not cheap cars, but they never have been. Remember, even 240Ds were expensive when they were new. The B class is a simple and effective car, although only sold as an EV in the US. Jaime On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:15 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Times change, cars change. If Mercedes would build a 240D in this day and age it would become the laughing stock of auto manufacturers. However, something in the spirit of a 240D might work. Simple, really well built and economical. Volkswagen kind of does it with the Jetta diesel. Why can't Mercedes do it with a C class or CLA or B? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 16, 2014, at 9:46 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: and the amzing thing is that for all the talk of people wanting that here, you'd hardly sell any if you did On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ha, good response. As much as we'd like them to put 240D's back into production and sell them for $18,000, I don't think its going to happen. Jaime On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I suspect that is the result of market research and actual customer preferences. I don't think that this group represents the average new MB buyer. We are indeed, a relatively odd lot . . . . On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I suspect there was considerable leakage of junk gizmo flashy crap into Mercedes from Chrysler. The new cars are NOT like the old ones, rather tinny, full of electronic toys of dubious utility and designed in failure. And they are UGLY and very hard to see out of. Peter -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the
Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought
Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I am not a raging militarist, but how can we turn our backs on the barbarism that is ISIS? Wiltons story is a personal view of the war, and that's understandable since he was heavily involved in it. If one takes an objective view of both wars that were fought in S.E.Asia, it's reasonable to say that they were justified because they stopped the spread of communism in that area. The policy involved in fighting these wars has been placed on the officer corp of WW-2 who saw the fallacy of isolationism during the 1930s. Their conclusion was that it is better to take the war to the enemy rather than wait for the enemy to bring the war to us . This is obviously what we have done in both S.E.Asia, and the Middle East. Was this the best policy then, and is it still the best policy? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought
RANT If you go back several centuries, you'll find that the Christians were the raging barbarism force of the time (crusades). I think the root of all evil is religion inflicted on others (other than psychopaths). All religious states/governments need to be eliminated at once, and for all time. (Israel included). Live by your own religion WITHOUT inflicting it on anyone else. If you are against abortion, don't have one, but keep your beliefs to yourself. Do not try to legislate your beliefs into law to be applied to others. /RANT On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I am not a raging militarist, but how can we turn our backs on the barbarism that is ISIS? On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:02:09 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: THE TRAGEDY AND THE WALL By Wilton Strickland, Lt Col, USAF (Ret) Not a silly Sondy tale, but thank you, Wilton. We had conducted the most intense bombing campaign ever against the most heavily-defended complex in history. I was confident that the campaign was over, that it had been won and that the war was finally ending as we departed Hanoi for the last time. During the following two years, however, after US forces had withdrawn, Congress gave away what had been so dearly won. And we are about to get into another situation like Vietnam and Afghanistan. Years ago, we trained the mujhadeen in Afghanistan to fight for us. What did that get for us? Hardened adversaries using our weapons and training against us. In Syria, training and supplying the rebels to do our fighting for us has all the hallmarks of both Vietnam and Afghanistan. With as loose and convoluted things are among the Muslim in the mid-East, it is very likely the weapons we provide will be used against our troops or Israeli troops. In trying to take a short cut for a quick, easy solution -- no American boots on the ground -- we are setting ourselves up for even more long-term grief in the mid-East. Even North Vietnam’s military commander, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap, agreed with me “What we still don’t understand is why you Americans stopped the bombing of Hanoi (in Dec ‘72). If you had pressed us a little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to surrender! It was the same at the battle of TET in ’68. You defeated us! We knew it, and we thought you knew it. But we were elated that your media was helping us. They were causing more disruption in America than we could on the battlefields. We were ready to surrender. You had won!” General Giap merely confirmed what many Americans already knew. The Vietnam War was not lost on the battlefields in Vietnam — it was lost at home by public opinion and given away by Congress. And there it is. The media were and still are against the best interests of the American people. They are only interested in keeping themselves and their cronies in power. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fw: Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71
Mortadella! Take THAT!:-) Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:19 AM To: Rick Knoble; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71 Should have beenn bologna despite what spellcheck thinks. On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:36 AM, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Balogna -- Sent from myMail app for Android Wednesday, 17 September 2014, 01:16AM -0400 from Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com: Original Message From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:21 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Reply To: Greg Fiorentino Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71 Actually, the discussion was mainly about nomenclature of an AR-15, and whether it is properly called a carbine, a rifle, or an assault rifle. Actually, firearms are much closer to Mercedes content than are apple trees; since they are both the pinnacle of mechanical technology of their time. I'm not opposed to discussing hardware, be it small arms, watches, washing machines, iPhone, or Mercedes. Just don't mix in emotion, and or politics. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought
Great questions ... in looking only backward, the decision to keep war in other countries and not let it come to America, delivered by our enemies, was a good one. Most American citizens alive today have never seen war except what Hollywood gives them, have never held a compression bandage on their badly injured friend while bleeding themselves, or smelled war [it has a smell never forgotten]. So in a backward look, yes. In a practical sense, many American young men have been sacrificed on the altar of good for the sake of those who have never felt, sensed, or smelled, war. IMHO every Ipod should open with a salute to those who gave so those who didn't will remember... [won't happen, I know]. While we were off fighting communist, communist were quite busy here in America changing the public through slow erosion of socialism. Example: ACLU was founded by members of American Communist Party with the express purpose of eroding the Constitution. Didn't know that? Look it up. About 1954 the leader of the American Communist Party stated they should dissolve since the Democrat party was serving them better and drawing less attention to their socialist platform.. yep... So.. looking forward... we lost on two fronts... at home and at the foreign countries were we lost blood and treasure and friends... The opinions expressed here are my own.. yours may differ.. Respectfully Grant... On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:06 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I am not a raging militarist, but how can we turn our backs on the barbarism that is ISIS? Wiltons story is a personal view of the war, and that's understandable since he was heavily involved in it. If one takes an objective view of both wars that were fought in S.E.Asia, it's reasonable to say that they were justified because they stopped the spread of communism in that area. The policy involved in fighting these wars has been placed on the officer corp of WW-2 who saw the fallacy of isolationism during the 1930s. Their conclusion was that it is better to take the war to the enemy rather than wait for the enemy to bring the war to us . This is obviously what we have done in both S.E.Asia, and the Middle East. Was this the best policy then, and is it still the best policy? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought
Ohh boy, now we have politics and religion on the discussion table:) It's all Wiltons fault for mentioning the war, I may have mentioned it once but I think I got away with it. Anyway, regarding the 'temporary' troop withdrawal from Iraq. My vague recollection of this was that it was decided before President Obama came into office http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement And yes Max we can see that your trying to put some sort of xenophobic spin on it, this is the sort of thing that lets to heated debates, perhaps we should try and stick to the facts? Fact is that a republican president decided to invade a sovereign country on the basis that the regime in that country was involved in the terrorist attack on 9/11 and had WMD. Neither of which where ever proven to be true. Then the spin turned to liberation of the Iraq people but there was no clear plan on how to achieve this and perhaps no clear understanding of the dynamics of Iraq. In some ways the US has a simplistic view, insofar that they think, 'we kicked the British out and lived happily ever after' so if we give others that sort of opportunity it will work out well. However one of the key differences is that America was a young country with lots of opportunity and the people there pretty much had a common goal (especially since they mostly had a common background). Whereas in most other countries there are centuries old rivalries between the different ethnic groups and all those groups are trying to grab as much for themselves as they can. Plus throw into the mix some religious nut jobs who appeal to the young who have no job and can see no future and you get a nasty brew. However the real question is how do you fix the mess, sure send in the troops, wipe out as much of ISIS as you can and then declare job done again but then another group of nutters will jump up and cycle will repeat. President Bush junior had a lot of years to achieve some sort of stability in Iraq but no, lets blame Obama because he is a democrat and has a sort of foreign name. Hendrik who sometimes mixes fact with fiction On 18/09/14 07:06, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Curt, I've asked several Iraqis point blank: did America do the right thing? The answer they gave me is Yes!. The Iraqis didn't throw us out, Barack Hussein Obama made it a campaign pledge to pull us out. Iraq very much wanted to negotiate an agreement for our troops to stay, it was Obama who ended those negotiations. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought
We can not and should not. It's already late. Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Craig diese...@pisquared.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought I am not a raging militarist, but how can we turn our backs on the barbarism that is ISIS? On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:02:09 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: THE TRAGEDY AND THE WALL By Wilton Strickland, Lt Col, USAF (Ret) Not a silly Sondy tale, but thank you, Wilton. We had conducted the most intense bombing campaign ever against the most heavily-defended complex in history. I was confident that the campaign was over, that it had been won and that the war was finally ending as we departed Hanoi for the last time. During the following two years, however, after US forces had withdrawn, Congress gave away what had been so dearly won. And we are about to get into another situation like Vietnam and Afghanistan. Years ago, we trained the mujhadeen in Afghanistan to fight for us. What did that get for us? Hardened adversaries using our weapons and training against us. In Syria, training and supplying the rebels to do our fighting for us has all the hallmarks of both Vietnam and Afghanistan. With as loose and convoluted things are among the Muslim in the mid-East, it is very likely the weapons we provide will be used against our troops or Israeli troops. In trying to take a short cut for a quick, easy solution -- no American boots on the ground -- we are setting ourselves up for even more long-term grief in the mid-East. Even North Vietnam’s military commander, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap, agreed with me “What we still don’t understand is why you Americans stopped the bombing of Hanoi (in Dec ‘72). If you had pressed us a little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to surrender! It was the same at the battle of TET in ’68. You defeated us! We knew it, and we thought you knew it. But we were elated that your media was helping us. They were causing more disruption in America than we could on the battlefields. We were ready to surrender. You had won!” General Giap merely confirmed what many Americans already knew. The Vietnam War was not lost on the battlefields in Vietnam — it was lost at home by public opinion and given away by Congress. And there it is. The media were and still are against the best interests of the American people. They are only interested in keeping themselves and their cronies in power. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71 OT no Merc content whatsoever
Curt wrote: I was pondering something similar... WILTON wrote: And if y'all are not careful, I may hafta throw in another silly Sondy tale. ;) ATTABOY Curt - you have Sondy tales? Sounds interesting... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] [ADMIN] - Politics
OK, folks, I let this thread run its course and it's started to degrade into areas where we have agreed not to go. Best to put it to bed now and find other, more appropriate subject matter. No more replies or responses to the subject, please. Thank you for your cooperation. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought
OK Don wrote: RANT If you go back several centuries, you'll find that the Christians were the raging barbarism force of the time (crusades). ... Live by your own religion WITHOUT inflicting it on anyone else. If you are against abortion, don't have one, but keep your beliefs to yourself. /RANT Yeah, that's gonna happen. Your RANT is entirely correct. Diversity? - whas dat?! What happened to diversity? ISIS, Sunni, Shiite, christian, etc - sounds diverse, eh? Let it be. If some want to behead others, yeah, see how far that goes. But we were elated that your media was helping us. - General Giap quoting from WILTON. ISIS, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, VietNam - we have been there and done that. How did that work out? Whatever General Giap said remains true - very sad for a nation so proud of its tech sector which essentially supplants a rational mind. Quoting Gary: fight fight fight fight fight fight - shall we try again and see how that works? What does it take for us to hear Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower speak about Military Industrial Complex? We have failed. We have failed in too many arenas to enumerate. This is no longer the land of the free, home of the brave. We are idiots - watch us try the same action again and expect a different result. - ??That makes good sense? Stay away from ISIS caliphate. We have our caliphate - let there be diversity, let them have their caliphate. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] [ADMIN] - Politics
Dan wrote: Best to put it to bed now and find other, more appropriate subject matter. No more replies or responses to the subject, please. Diversity? What is the correct opinion? On one hand we are adults with delete key, on the other hand we need to be told what to do? Yes, I am idiot - I try the same thing again, expecting different result. ...off to banned... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Daimler
Gary wrote: sometimes i wonder if i really am the great communicator One thing we know for sure about Gary. He is the ChowdahKing - even if he did not attend the ChowdahQ. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] [ADMIN] - Politics
What subject? I have not been Paying attention. Do I need to get the pooferator out? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2014, at 7:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: OK, folks, I let this thread run its course and it's started to degrade into areas where we have agreed not to go. Best to put it to bed now and find other, more appropriate subject matter. No more replies or responses to the subject, please. Thank you for your cooperation. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A car!
Today I picked up the 560 SEL from the shop. $1500 got it a used replacement transmission and the rear wheel bearing tightened. It drives like it ought to again. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] [ADMIN] - Politics
Yeah I am not sure but yeah there is a bit of finger pointing and blame laying being done. It just seems we cannot discuss world affairs without someone getting politically emotional about it. However it does not matter, as no one is listening and the powers that be will do the same old stuff. Pitting the pawns against one another to keep the King safe. Hendrik who will ask a Merc question in a minute On 18/09/14 10:51, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: What subject? I have not been Paying attention. Do I need to get the pooferator out? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2014, at 7:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: OK, folks, I let this thread run its course and it's started to degrade into areas where we have agreed not to go. Best to put it to bed now and find other, more appropriate subject matter. No more replies or responses to the subject, please. Thank you for your cooperation. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A car!
Not really worth an ATTABOY as someone else did the work. Hendrik who is just so mean On 18/09/14 10:55, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: Today I picked up the 560 SEL from the shop. $1500 got it a used replacement transmission and the rear wheel bearing tightened. It drives like it ought to again. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A cars air con
My A/C has been a bit naughty lately, the compressor will run when hot wired and it gets cool but otherwise the system will only run for a short period and then switch off. My suspicion is the Klima relay, I have had a bit of a solder around on the board but it's still flakey, may be the RPM sensor on the compressor but it's within spec. Anyone have any clues or BTDT? Hendrik who would like AC soon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A car!
Not really worth an ATTABOY as someone else did the work. But _I_ test-drove it! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A car!
Orginal Message From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:25 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply To: Jim Cathey Subject: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A car! Today I picked up the 560 SEL from the shop. $1500 got it a used replacement transmission and the rear wheel bearing tightened. It drives like it ought to again. Oh the humanity! You_didn't_do_it_yourself? It wasn't fixed_with_Shoegoo? What next? The end of the world as we know it? Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A cars air con
when hot wired and it gets cool but It gets cool is not sufficient. What are the pressures doing when it is running? One of the safety switches could be engaging. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A car!
Short answer: my back hurts, it has for a couple of years now. The _profit_ from the 300CD went into a trumpet, the base cost just went into this car. At least, I have a car again. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A car!
Well your going have to take it up with the keeper of the ATTABOYS, if Wilton thinks you are worthy he may graciously award you one but I say no, unless you lay under the car and lifted the box out with your bare hands and made a blood sacrifice to the car Gods, who in this case would be Daimler and Benz. Hendrik who is falling behind in the ATTABOY awards rankings On 18/09/14 11:08, Jim Cathey wrote: Not really worth an ATTABOY as someone else did the work. But _I_ test-drove it! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A cars air con
Well if I had pressure gauges, speaking of which did you know that fuel pressure gauges can be used to check transmission pressures? Anyway what I meant to say that there is refrigerant in the system and it was 'topped up' before last summer. Hendrik who is under pressure On 18/09/14 11:11, Jim Cathey wrote: when hot wired and it gets cool but It gets cool is not sufficient. What are the pressures doing when it is running? One of the safety switches could be engaging. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Daimler
On 9/17/14, Jaime wrote: The B class is a simple and effective car, although only sold as an EV in the US. Yes, which is too bad. It has been pretty popular in Canada for the last few years, from what I understand. Wacky rear suspension though! D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A car!
Don't know perhaps he'll buy a 500SE and call it the carbine version? Hendrik who could not resist that crappy attempt at humour On 18/09/14 11:08, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: Orginal Message From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:25 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply To: Jim Cathey Subject: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A car! Today I picked up the 560 SEL from the shop. $1500 got it a used replacement transmission and the rear wheel bearing tightened. It drives like it ought to again. Oh the humanity! You_didn't_do_it_yourself? It wasn't fixed_with_Shoegoo? What next? The end of the world as we know it? Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] What abut this?
1969 Mercedes Benz 280 S http://salina.craigslist.org/cto/4671704278.html via cPro Craigslist App iOS: http://bit.ly/CL_iOS Android: http://bit.ly/CL_android Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] What abut this?
What about it? It's a beige six cylinder W108 with carbies and possible issues after sitting for 8 years. Cheap enough I suppose? Hendrik who used to own a beige 123 with a carby On 18/09/14 11:20, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: 1969 Mercedes Benz 280 S http://salina.craigslist.org/cto/4671704278.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought
Wow! It doesn't take long for this group to implode! Since some people say the reason we are in the Middle East is OIL!, let's stir some of that in and really get everyones cajones in an uproar. (Just kidding!) In the meantime, I've lost something and would really be grateful if one of the computer experts on the list would help me find it. It's the back box in Firefox. It's driving me almost as crazy as when one of my old VW Beetles lost its backup gear. I can still hear the UF students laughing while I pushed it out of a parking space at the Thirsty Gator. I've looked everywhere, tried everything, and can't imagine where it got off to. Really getting tired of having to reload a website every time I want to go back one page. Thanks in advance, Gerry Hendrik and Fay wrote: Ohh boy, now we have politics and religion on the discussion table:) It's all Wiltons fault for mentioning the war, I may have mentioned it once but I think I got away with it. Anyway, regarding the 'temporary' troop withdrawal from Iraq. My vague recollection of this was that it was decided before President Obama came into office http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement And yes Max we can see that your trying to put some sort of xenophobic spin on it, this is the sort of thing that lets to heated debates, perhaps we should try and stick to the facts? Fact is that a republican president decided to invade a sovereign country on the basis that the regime in that country was involved in the terrorist attack on 9/11 and had WMD. Neither of which where ever proven to be true. Then the spin turned to liberation of the Iraq people but there was no clear plan on how to achieve this and perhaps no clear understanding of the dynamics of Iraq. In some ways the US has a simplistic view, insofar that they think, 'we kicked the British out and lived happily ever after' so if we give others that sort of opportunity it will work out well. However one of the key differences is that America was a young country with lots of opportunity and the people there pretty much had a common goal (especially since they mostly had a common background). Whereas in most other countries there are centuries old rivalries between the different ethnic groups and all those groups are trying to grab as much for themselves as they can. Plus throw into the mix some religious nut jobs who appeal to the young who have no job and can see no future and you get a nasty brew. However the real question is how do you fix the mess, sure send in the troops, wipe out as much of ISIS as you can and then declare job done again but then another group of nutters will jump up and cycle will repeat. President Bush junior had a lot of years to achieve some sort of stability in Iraq but no, lets blame Obama because he is a democrat and has a sort of foreign name. Hendrik who sometimes mixes fact with fiction On 18/09/14 07:06, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Curt, I've asked several Iraqis point blank: did America do the right thing? The answer they gave me is Yes!. The Iraqis didn't throw us out, Barack Hussein Obama made it a campaign pledge to pull us out. Iraq very much wanted to negotiate an agreement for our troops to stay, it was Obama who ended those negotiations. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8230 - Release Date: 09/17/14 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] What abut this?
Looks nice From The outside Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2014, at 9:00 PM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What about it? It's a beige six cylinder W108 with carbies and possible issues after sitting for 8 years. Cheap enough I suppose? Hendrik who used to own a beige 123 with a carby On 18/09/14 11:20, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: 1969 Mercedes Benz 280 S http://salina.craigslist.org/cto/4671704278.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought
The issue is not so much why they are there but the big question is how to go about making some real progress towards stability in the region but we better not discuss that. Anyway when you say you lost the back box, do you mean the actual arrows or will foxy just not remember where it was a few minutes ago? Can you go back by right clicking a page and selecting back? Haven't used foxy in a while as it became too bloated, chrome has spat a dummy after an upgrade so i am using chromium at the moment. Hendrik who gets frustrated with all this high tech stuff sometimes On 18/09/14 11:36, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: Wow! It doesn't take long for this group to implode! Since some people say the reason we are in the Middle East is OIL!, let's stir some of that in and really get everyones cajones in an uproar. (Just kidding!) In the meantime, I've lost something and would really be grateful if one of the computer experts on the list would help me find it. It's the back box in Firefox. It's driving me almost as crazy as when one of my old VW Beetles lost its backup gear. I can still hear the UF students laughing while I pushed it out of a parking space at the Thirsty Gator. I've looked everywhere, tried everything, and can't imagine where it got off to. Really getting tired of having to reload a website every time I want to go back one page. Thanks in advance, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] What abut this?
The biggest problem I see is that it's in Salinas, Kansas. Not the end of the Earth but you can see it from there. Dan On Sep 17, 2014, at 10:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Looks nice From The outside Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2014, at 9:00 PM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What about it? It's a beige six cylinder W108 with carbies and possible issues after sitting for 8 years. Cheap enough I suppose? Hendrik who used to own a beige 123 with a carby On 18/09/14 11:20, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: 1969 Mercedes Benz 280 S http://salina.craigslist.org/cto/4671704278.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] What abut this?
Sure, I can't see any obvious rust and it may be a low K example that wasn't driven much and spent it's life under cover. The only way to really tell what it's like is to have a look. The thing is if it is a very good original example you should keep it so and not drop in a better engine. Not sure how well it would go in modern traffic and it will want to have a big drink at the servo every now and then but if it is a bit of a project/weekend cruiser, then yeah. Really depends what you want in the way of the 108/9, this one may fly under the radar as it is not a V8 or a 109. Hendrik who would look at that if he was in the market for one On 18/09/14 11:46, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Looks nice From The outside ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Double flaring tool recommendations?
Have a couple of hard brake lines that rotted/chafed (unsure of which; there are two in close proximity) right near where they make a hard 90. They are the ones that go along the driver side of chassis from front to back on a 99 w210. I'm sure the dealer is very proud of them, so my plan is to cut out the bad sections, then fabricate new bends and splice them in. I have no intention of using compression fittings or single flares; both are known to work loose. Thanks in advance -j. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought
Hendrik and Fay wrote: The issue is not so much why they are there but the big question is how to go about making some real progress towards stability in the region but we better not discuss that. Anyway when you say you lost the back box, do you mean the actual arrows Gerry: Ya, I lost the arrows. or will foxy just not remember where it was a few minutes ago? Can you go back by right clicking a page and selecting back? G: Ya, it will do that and it remembers the page, but I'm so used to clicking the arrowAnyway, I can get used to right clicking if nobody knows. Haven't used foxy in a while as it became too bloated, chrome has spat a dummy after an upgrade so i am using chromium at the moment. G: Chrome I know. What is chromium? I tried Chrome when it first came out and found it a little too simple. I'll have to try it again. Hendrik who gets frustrated with all this high tech stuff sometimes ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] What abut this?
wondering about the condition of the interior... Also, 280S is NOT fun to drive - better to wait for an SE On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Sure, I can't see any obvious rust and it may be a low K example that wasn't driven much and spent it's life under cover. The only way to really tell what it's like is to have a look. The thing is if it is a very good original example you should keep it so and not drop in a better engine. Not sure how well it would go in modern traffic and it will want to have a big drink at the servo every now and then but if it is a bit of a project/weekend cruiser, then yeah. Really depends what you want in the way of the 108/9, this one may fly under the radar as it is not a V8 or a 109. Hendrik who would look at that if he was in the market for one On 18/09/14 11:46, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Looks nice From The outside ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought
Before this thread spirals into the great dustbin at some No Such Agency data storage facility.. one last bit... Mid East has never been stable in recorded history, far beyond the 1,435 years ago when islam was invented by a caravan robber named muhammed, and since, there has been no peace and no progress of organized unified civilization. We in the Great Western Culture want quick, simple, easy answers. There are none. All solutions for that region will involve more than one lifetime to achieve, and we as a collective set of nations just don't have the patience to achieve that. Thus, it will evolve into a violent set of actions [my prediction, yours may vary]. ISIS / ISIL ¿ whatever they wish to call themselves, has a plan which will not stay in their region.. it clearly requires the conquest of the Western Civilization and it's conversion to islam.. which I believe is not an acceptable choice for the majority in the West.. They will not stay on their turf and be happy.. as much as we wish they would.. we can not appease them by leaving them alone.. ISIS, under other names is already well populated within the borders of USA and UK, France, Denmark, Sweden, Germany, Canada, and Australia. Their marching orders are laid on already.. ours are still fumbling in confusion [comforted yet?]... I'm not. The following countries were taken by conquest of the sword for the furtherance of islam, Spain, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Turkey, India [over 80,000,000 Hindu killed], Lebanon, the list is much longer, but it illustrates my point. If you read history of each of these countries you will see a pattern of attack was followed by the followers of muhammed, which is being once again replicated. Scared yet? Concerned? I am, it may impact my ability to own and enjoy an antique Mercedes. On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The issue is not so much why they are there but the big question is how to go about making some real progress towards stability in the region but we better not discuss that. Anyway when you say you lost the back box, do you mean the actual arrows or will foxy just not remember where it was a few minutes ago? Can you go back by right clicking a page and selecting back? Haven't used foxy in a while as it became too bloated, chrome has spat a dummy after an upgrade so i am using chromium at the moment. Hendrik who gets frustrated with all this high tech stuff sometimes On 18/09/14 11:36, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: Wow! It doesn't take long for this group to implode! Since some people say the reason we are in the Middle East is OIL!, let's stir some of that in and really get everyones cajones in an uproar. (Just kidding!) In the meantime, I've lost something and would really be grateful if one of the computer experts on the list would help me find it. It's the back box in Firefox. It's driving me almost as crazy as when one of my old VW Beetles lost its backup gear. I can still hear the UF students laughing while I pushed it out of a parking space at the Thirsty Gator. I've looked everywhere, tried everything, and can't imagine where it got off to. Really getting tired of having to reload a website every time I want to go back one page. Thanks in advance, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] What abut this?
Yes it is a bit suss that no pictures where taken of the interior, unless the thing was locked and this is some sort of sales agent getting rid of farmer Browns old Church wagon. However I can't see the point if the seller is trying to hide the interior, as it will be looked at eventually. Although the interior won't tell you much, as they are so hard wearing a interior out of a 34k mile car can look just like one from a 134k one, the only tell tale would be pedal wear and steering wheel wear if applicable. Plus interiors are relatively easy to repair/replace, it's rust that would determine if this is worth mucking around with. Once you start with metalwork and paint, it gets pricey. Then again if it needs paint, Klebby could paint it lime green and get a green interior from somewhere and drop in a OM or V8. Plus some 20 spinners to get Wilton excited. Then there is bag it option to drop it low. Hendrik who would like a lime green 108 http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=isource=imagescd=cad=rjauact=8docid=6mC7H9hyOv2y8Mtbnid=a9OcL-thSZtUBM:ved=0CAgQjRw4Sgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fredseahome.blogspot.com%2F2011%2F03%2Fsaudi-car-show.htmlei=wk4aVO_tGYH48QWLs4LoAQpsig=AFQjCNGxc5Pz_xzzA6TQs5kgQGhxKCD2cwust=1411096642609349 On 18/09/14 12:32, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: wondering about the condition of the interior... Also, 280S is NOT fun to drive - better to wait for an SE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] What abut this?
Do you have that 20 acres to park it on yet??? If not, where would you put it? :-) On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 1969 Mercedes Benz 280 S http://salina.craigslist.org/cto/4671704278.html -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Double flaring tool recommendations?
I would like to suggest you consider buying pre-made length of hard line which already has double flare with the compression nuts. It is available in a good selection of length at NAPA I'm sure of, other FLAPS should have it as well in metric. Remove the line and use a flexible tape measure [see wifes sewing box for example] to get the total length needed, then select the closest available [slightly longer if shorter is next option] Then use the old line as a pattern to make the bends on the new one. If the new line is a bit longer, fudge on the bends a little so the accumulated bends take up the extra length. This way, you have a line with no patches to fail and you only have to make two connections and the retention clips for a good fix.. if the old line has started to fail from rust.. it will fail more later.. logic.. On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 7:50 PM, John Reames via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Have a couple of hard brake lines that rotted/chafed (unsure of which; there are two in close proximity) right near where they make a hard 90. They are the ones that go along the driver side of chassis from front to back on a 99 w210. I'm sure the dealer is very proud of them, so my plan is to cut out the bad sections, then fabricate new bends and splice them in. I have no intention of using compression fittings or single flares; both are known to work loose. Thanks in advance -j. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A cars air con
On my '87 wagon, the engine rpm signal wasn't getting passed to the KLIMA relay via the main engine computer, so I ended up installing a bypass relay in place of the KLIMA relay. I lost transmission kick-down function and the compressor cut-off belt saving feature, but gained AC. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] What abut this?
Still have not closed. Should be a couple days away Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2014, at 10:22 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Do you have that 20 acres to park it on yet??? If not, where would you put it? :-) On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 1969 Mercedes Benz 280 S http://salina.craigslist.org/cto/4671704278.html -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought
That's the opinion of some well informed retirees here. They believe that if there were no oil or minerals, Western nations would have little interest in the M.E. or Africa, so long as no other major power (Russia,China) moved in. Gerrywho ends his 2 cents on the subject G Mann wrote: Before this thread spirals into the great dustbin at some No Such Agency data storage facility.. one last bit... Mid East has never been stable in recorded history, far beyond the 1,435 years ago when islam was invented by a caravan robber named muhammed, and since, there has been no peace and no progress of organized unified civilization. We in the Great Western Culture want quick, simple, easy answers. There are none. All solutions for that region will involve more than one lifetime to achieve, and we as a collective set of nations just don't have the patience to achieve that. Thus, it will evolve into a violent set of actions [my prediction, yours may vary]. ISIS / ISIL ¿ whatever they wish to call themselves, has a plan which will not stay in their region.. it clearly requires the conquest of the Western Civilization and it's conversion to islam.. which I believe is not an acceptable choice for the majority in the West.. They will not stay on their turf and be happy.. as much as we wish they would.. we can not appease them by leaving them alone.. ISIS, under other names is already well populated within the borders of USA and UK, France, Denmark, Sweden, Germany, Canada, and Australia. Their marching orders are laid on already.. ours are still fumbling in confusion [comforted yet?]... I'm not. The following countries were taken by conquest of the sword for the furtherance of islam, Spain, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Turkey, India [over 80,000,000 Hindu killed], Lebanon, the list is much longer, but it illustrates my point. If you read history of each of these countries you will see a pattern of attack was followed by the followers of muhammed, which is being once again replicated. Scared yet? Concerned? I am, it may impact my ability to own and enjoy an antique Mercedes. On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The issue is not so much why they are there but the big question is how to go about making some real progress towards stability in the region but we better not discuss that. Anyway when you say you lost the back box, do you mean the actual arrows or will foxy just not remember where it was a few minutes ago? Can you go back by right clicking a page and selecting back? Haven't used foxy in a while as it became too bloated, chrome has spat a dummy after an upgrade so i am using chromium at the moment. Hendrik who gets frustrated with all this high tech stuff sometimes On 18/09/14 11:36, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: Wow! It doesn't take long for this group to implode! Since some people say the reason we are in the Middle East is OIL!, let's stir some of that in and really get everyones cajones in an uproar. (Just kidding!) In the meantime, I've lost something and would really be grateful if one of the computer experts on the list would help me find it. It's the back box in Firefox. It's driving me almost as crazy as when one of my old VW Beetles lost its backup gear. I can still hear the UF students laughing while I pushed it out of a parking space at the Thirsty Gator. I've looked everywhere, tried everything, and can't imagine where it got off to. Really getting tired of having to reload a website every time I want to go back one page. Thanks in advance, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8230 - Release Date: 09/17/14 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought
Still a great essay from the Colonel. The debacle that was Viet Nam is less an indictment of war than an indictment of the way that particular non-war was defined and prosecuted. Even a casual review of world history will tell you that sustained peace is not normal unless a superpower oversees things. Consider this. A vanishing minority of Americans has any first-hand experience with actual war. No living Americans except some immigrants have any experience living through war their own back yard. Thanks to two big oceans, relatively peaceful neighbors north and south, and a half-century American age of relative world peace, the vast majority of fat, lazy, cell-phone addicted Americans are clueless when it comes to the depths of evil in the world. But if we continue on the current course, I think they may learn. Scott -Original Message- From: WILTON via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:02 PM THE TRAGEDY AND THE WALL By Wilton Strickland, Lt Col, USAF (Ret) The tragedy of the Vietnam War is exceeded by only slavery and the Civil War as this nation’s greatest tragedy. Not only were thousands of fine, young Americans sacrificed needlessly, sent into harm’s way by a government with no commitment to a resolution to the conflict, the conflict divided the country like nothing else but the Civil War. ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fw: Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71
Terminology An assault rifle is a light rifle that fires a reduced power cartridge and is capable of automatic operation. Automatic operation means it's a machine gun that fires as long as the trigger is pressed. The term assault weapon has no precise meaning but the media seems to like it. The M-16 is a US military assault rifle that fires a 5.56 mm cartridge which is a military version of the 2.23 caliber varmint cartridge. The M-16 has a 20 inch barrel. There were several revisions (denoted A1, A2, A3, and A4) with different sights, stocks, a forward assist, burst limiter, and several smaller changes. The Air Force adopted the M-16 in the mid 1960s for use by Air Police. The Army adopted the M-16 during Viet Nam, for cost reasons and because infantry men could carry many more of the smaller 5.56 cartridges compared to.30 caliper (30.06 and NATO 7.62) cartridges. The many reported M-16 problems in Viet Nam were largely caused by misinformation, lack of cleaning kits, and unverified changes to the ammo. Still, the M-16 fundamental design uses precision parts and it is significantly more vulnerable to dirt and operator abuse than the COMBLOCK AK-47/74 variants. The M-4 is a carbine version of the M-16 but with a 16 inch barrel and significant changes to the gas and feed systems to provide reliable operation. Still, for various technical reasons, bolt carrier operation in the M-4 is more violent than the M-16 and feed problems seem more common. The AR-15 was a semi-auto civilian version of the M-16 which was produced by Armalite. However, these days the terms AR and AR-15 are commonly sued to indicate any semi-auto AR-15 style firearm from any manufacturer, including rifles, carbines, and even pistols. The semi-auto version is almost identical to the auto/select-fire version except it lacks the auto disconnector mechanism and machined holes for the associated shaft. Almost all civilian AR rifles sold today are based on the M-4, mot the M-16. It is more precise to describe a semi-auto gun as auto-loading ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.