[MBZ] somewhat OT 3D printer
Here is an interesting intro to 3D printers https://www.packtpub.com/books/content/6-months-open-source-3d-printer --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] 123 fuel sender and hubcap
Last call. Does anyone have a 123 fuel sender or a midnight blue hubcap for a 123? I've had no positive responses so far. If you have one or the other, let me know. It looks like I will have to find a junkyard on car-part.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 fuel sender and hubcap
BTW, about 14 years ago, I did a beautiful job of painting 123 wheel covers of other colors to the ivory I needed. 'Masked the center star and elsewhere as necessary with masking tape and sprayed 'em with paint from towerpaint.com. 'The masking took some care, of course, but overall, it was a fairly easy job. The results looked so good, I even gave myself an ATTABOY. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2014 11:44 AM Subject: [MBZ] 123 fuel sender and hubcap Last call. Does anyone have a 123 fuel sender or a midnight blue hubcap for a 123? I've had no positive responses so far. If you have one or the other, let me know. It looks like I will have to find a junkyard on car-part.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 fuel sender and hubcap
I saw a masking tool once that covered the star. Looked like a big branding iron. On Oct 12, 2014 1:10 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: BTW, about 14 years ago, I did a beautiful job of painting 123 wheel covers of other colors to the ivory I needed. 'Masked the center star and elsewhere as necessary with masking tape and sprayed 'em with paint from towerpaint.com. 'The masking took some care, of course, but overall, it was a fairly easy job. The results looked so good, I even gave myself an ATTABOY. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2014 11:44 AM Subject: [MBZ] 123 fuel sender and hubcap Last call. Does anyone have a 123 fuel sender or a midnight blue hubcap for a 123? I've had no positive responses so far. If you have one or the other, let me know. It looks like I will have to find a junkyard on car-part.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT - Attention Home Brewers!
Aren soe of you home brewers? This might be of some interest: http://hackaday.com/2014/10/11/keep-an-eye-on-your-fermenting-beer-with-brewmonitor/ Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Source for Bumper Cover
Yikes! Never saw that before! Larry On 10/10/2014 8:45 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Thanks, Larry! I checked them out and it was a good deal - until shipping got added! They wanted more for shipping than the bumper cover cost! Bumper cover - $130 Shipping - $175 Ouch! It was worth a shot. I appreciate the suggestion. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 10, 2014, at 8:02 AM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Hi Dan, you didn't mention what year your S420 is - but I looked at Rockauto.com and they have them for a 96 w/o Parktronic. They also offer several types manufacturers. LarryT 91 300D On 10/9/2014 11:49 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Need a front bumper cover for the S420. I've seen a few on eBay, but they all have the Parktronic sensor holes in them. None of the local recyclers have any, either, although for as cheap as these appear to be I would just as well spend the money on a new (aftemarket) one, which appear to be around $175-$200. Any suggestions? Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Attention Home Brewers!
Yesterday I brewed an oatmeal stout that has started bubbling away, and in a coupla minutes I am going to brew an Oktoberfest, and I have the ingredients for a Bells Two hearted Ale clone that I brew with some cherry wood shavings that give it an amazing flavor, but will have to wait as my carboys are full, or I guess I could put it in a bucket. I saw that temp controller this morning, and I thought to build one, but it would be better to go all-in and build a controller for the garage fridge to keep it all where it needs to be. I want to do some lagers so this would do the trick. http://www.brewpi.com/ this can log and transmit and all that too while keeping the yeastiebeasties working at peak efficiency! --R On 10/12/14 3:17 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Aren soe of you home brewers? This might be of some interest: http://hackaday.com/2014/10/11/keep-an-eye-on-your-fermenting-beer-with-brewmonitor/ Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Source for Bumper Cover
Have you checked local PnP? No shipping there ;-) I know there's 1 or 2 140s at our local recycle center but if the bumpers are connected as tightly as the door handle it's probably more than I could do in a grassy/muddy field. ;-)There's always Potomac - although they always seemed high whenever I checked them Larry On 10/10/2014 8:45 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Thanks, Larry! I checked them out and it was a good deal - until shipping got added! They wanted more for shipping than the bumper cover cost! Bumper cover - $130 Shipping - $175 Ouch! It was worth a shot. I appreciate the suggestion. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 10, 2014, at 8:02 AM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Hi Dan, you didn't mention what year your S420 is - but I looked at Rockauto.com and they have them for a 96 w/o Parktronic. They also offer several types manufacturers. LarryT 91 300D On 10/9/2014 11:49 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Need a front bumper cover for the S420. I've seen a few on eBay, but they all have the Parktronic sensor holes in them. None of the local recyclers have any, either, although for as cheap as these appear to be I would just as well spend the money on a new (aftemarket) one, which appear to be around $175-$200. Any suggestions? Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Is a 2013 E350 BluTec worth $48k
...with 2000 miles on the odometer? Hey, Wilton, still looking for a late model diesel? http://www.leasetrader.com/2013_Mercedes-Benz_E350_BlueTec_Diesel_192997.xhtml ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Attention Home Brewers!
I've been using an inexpensive Johnson Controls analog temp controller for about ten years now. Works fine, absolute to the degree control isn't really necessary, and they are cheap. I did burn one up though on the old fridge with a bad compressor that would periodically lock up and draw a ton o' juice. I just kegged a robust porter for the Wandering Owl fundraiser at the local forest preserve, and have an 80/s Scottish aie that needs to get bottled soon. Maybe tomorrow, I'm making donuts tonight. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Is a 2013 E350 BluTec worth $48k
$700 transfer fee plus a $350-$700 disposition fee at lease end? Ouch. On Oct 12, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: ...with 2000 miles on the odometer? Hey, Wilton, still looking for a late model diesel? http://www.leasetrader.com/2013_Mercedes-Benz_E350_BlueTec_Diesel_192997.xhtml ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Is a 2013 E350 BluTec worth $48k
Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: $700 transfer fee plus a $350-$700 disposition fee at lease end? Ouch. I'd try to make the seller eat the transfer fee, but the disposition fee is probably on you. This is probably a decent deal if you want a heavily loaded Chevy Cruze with 30k on it. GM employee paid for a 20k/year lease and didn't rack up the miles he paid for. http://www.leasetrader.com/2012_Chevrolet_Cruze_LTZ_192150.xhtml Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Attention Home Brewers!
My strong scotch ale is getting low, and I only have a bottle or two of my hoppy brown ale, so time to get more going! My daughter brought me some she had made, a couple are left... I think for Christmas I will ask Santa for the BrewPi board and stuff, I have the Raspi so that is good to go. --R On 10/12/14 4:37 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: I've been using an inexpensive Johnson Controls analog temp controller for about ten years now. Works fine, absolute to the degree control isn't really necessary, and they are cheap. I did burn one up though on the old fridge with a bad compressor that would periodically lock up and draw a ton o' juice. I just kegged a robust porter for the Wandering Owl fundraiser at the local forest preserve, and have an 80/s Scottish aie that needs to get bottled soon. Maybe tomorrow, I'm making donuts tonight. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Is a 2013 E350 BluTec worth $48k
I saw a new one at the stealer for 60k. Can get a stripped down 2014 GLK BluTec for $39k. On Oct 12, 2014 4:43 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: $700 transfer fee plus a $350-$700 disposition fee at lease end? Ouch. I'd try to make the seller eat the transfer fee, but the disposition fee is probably on you. This is probably a decent deal if you want a heavily loaded Chevy Cruze with 30k on it. GM employee paid for a 20k/year lease and didn't rack up the miles he paid for. http://www.leasetrader.com/2012_Chevrolet_Cruze_LTZ_192150.xhtml Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Is a 2013 E350 BluTec worth $48k
I was looking on CarMax and CPO and there were several 3 or 4 years old in the mid-30ks, they all seem to be about exactly the same price. ML dizzels too. --R On 10/12/14 5:31 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote: I saw a new one at the stealer for 60k. Can get a stripped down 2014 GLK BluTec for $39k. On Oct 12, 2014 4:43 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: $700 transfer fee plus a $350-$700 disposition fee at lease end? Ouch. I'd try to make the seller eat the transfer fee, but the disposition fee is probably on you. This is probably a decent deal if you want a heavily loaded Chevy Cruze with 30k on it. GM employee paid for a 20k/year lease and didn't rack up the miles he paid for. http://www.leasetrader.com/2012_Chevrolet_Cruze_LTZ_192150.xhtml Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Is a 2013 E350 BluTec worth $48k
Yes, but not at $48k. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2014 4:27 PM Subject: [MBZ] Is a 2013 E350 BluTec worth $48k ...with 2000 miles on the odometer? Hey, Wilton, still looking for a late model diesel? http://www.leasetrader.com/2013_Mercedes-Benz_E350_BlueTec_Diesel_192997.xhtml ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT - non-political B-52 tale - RADIO HANOI
Another non-political B-52 tale: RADIO HANOI - LONGEST 8 SECONDS By Wilton Strickland My crew's target the night of 19 Dec '72, the second night of the Linebacker II campaign, was Radio Hanoi just off the southwestern corner of Hanoi. Approach to the target was from the northwest at 36,000 feet; true airspeed (TAS) 470 knots. We had already been doing evasive maneuvers (zigzagging), starting about 75 nautical miles from the target because of the many surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) being fired at us. At 60 seconds to the bomb release point, normal procedures called for us to open the bomb bay doors. We had decided to keep the doors closed, though, as long as possible to prevent the large open belly of the BUFF, filled with of 42,000 pounds of iron bombs, in addition to 12,000 pounds on two pylons under the wings, from suddenly showing a much larger return on the air defense radar below. At about 30 seconds from the release point, the crew electronic warfare officer (EW) reported over the intercom, SAM uplink, 2 o'clock! (He could see on his equipment scope the guidance signal of a SAM coming toward us from the right and slightly forward.) We immediately went into a HARD, shuddering (shuddering caused by the wing tip on the outside of the turn in a high-speed buffet/stalling situation), right turn at a very steep bank angle (much steeper than the recommended max of 30 degrees) to try to make the missile overshoot us in the turn. There was a bright flash and a muffled explosion. The aircraft lurched slightly, as if driving over a speed bump. EW warned again, SAM uplink, 9 o'clock! This time, a HARD, shuddering turn to the left; again at a very steep bank angle. 'Another bright flash and another muffled explosion, followed immediately by the slight lurch of the aircraft flying through the exploding missile's blast wave. We were now very close to the release point, but in a hard left turn going way off the required release heading. We quickly rolled back straight and level for the bomb release with the PDI centered - that's the Pilot's Data Indicator, a bombing computer instrument, showing number of degrees to turn left or right to fly to the release point. Nav, reading the time-to-go (TG) meter, reported, with his voice getting high and squeaky, 10 seconds! (Elapsed time was significantly extended from the TG at the beginning of these maneuvers because of the turns away from the release point.) Meanwhile, EW was warning, Two SAM uplinks, 12 o'clock! (Two SAMs launched directly in front of us and coming toward us.) Co-pilot confirmed, Two visual SAM's, 12 o'clock! With highly elevated pucker factor, we waited - aircraft straight and level; PDI centered; EW watching the SAM guidance signals on his scope as the missiles rapidly approached. The time-to-go needle seemed to take forever to come off the eight-second mark. It quivered slightly and crept ever so slowly downward. At 5 seconds, we opened the doors; it took other eternity for the needle to pass 4, 3, 2 and 1. At zero, the aircraft shuddered slightly, indicating bombs release - 108 500-pounders away in 3 seconds - followed immediately by another shuddering, HARD, right turn, as we closed the bomb bay doors and the two SAMs streaked past just to the left of the forward fuselage. We quickly rejoined the other two BUFFs in our cell and headed back to U-Tapao, continuing the evasive zigzag for another five minutes or so as more SAM's were fired at us from the rear. After things had settled down significantly - EW was no longer seeing SAM guidance signals on his scopes, and the gunner in the tail was no longer calling out visual SAM sightings - we gave each other ATTABOYS for keeping things together so nicely. Otherwise, all was quiet in the aircraft, except for the very loud scream of the slipstream and engines as we kept the airspeed at bomb-run level of 470 knots to help reduce our extended exposure caused by the 100 to 120-knot headwind from the west. It was very hard for us to believe what we had just flown through. Many long pauses were interrupted by exclamations of shock, relief, disbelief and OH, S**T's! from all members of the crew. If we had not turned at just the right moment after bombs away, those last two missiles likely would have scored direct hits. We all agreed that we had, indeed, had our lucky day. (Actually a lucky day for all the BUFFs - none were lost this night.) After landing back at U-Tapao, we jumped out of the aircraft and ran around looking for holes in it, just knowing it must have some. Finally, finding none, I said to the rest of the crew, Let's go; we're out here on a black night, looking for black holes in a black airplane. Let's just be thankful to make it safely back home; let's go to bed. (I think the aircraft did have some holes in it, but we were busy making additional trips to Hanoi for the next
[MBZ] transmission knock 85 w123
Hi All, What is that loud ticking sound coming out the bottom of my freshly overhauled transmission at cold idle, up near where it joins the motor? Is it normal, or are the torque converter bolts loose or something? It is definitely louder lately. I want to say about 2 ticks per second. You can hear it from above but it is loudest down at the open grate on the bottom of the transmission. In other news the kkk makes 9.5 lb boost at max load at the intake port. I think that is pretty close to stock. Whoever said a loud turbo is a bad turbo shoukd have added unless the intake seals are leaking. On Oct 12, 2014 4:05 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Another non-political B-52 tale: RADIO HANOI - LONGEST 8 SECONDS By Wilton Strickland My crew's target the night of 19 Dec '72, the second night of the Linebacker II campaign, was Radio Hanoi just off the southwestern corner of Hanoi. Approach to the target was from the northwest at 36,000 feet; true airspeed (TAS) 470 knots. We had already been doing evasive maneuvers (zigzagging), starting about 75 nautical miles from the target because of the many surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) being fired at us. At 60 seconds to the bomb release point, normal procedures called for us to open the bomb bay doors. We had decided to keep the doors closed, though, as long as possible to prevent the large open belly of the BUFF, filled with of 42,000 pounds of iron bombs, in addition to 12,000 pounds on two pylons under the wings, from suddenly showing a much larger return on the air defense radar below. At about 30 seconds from the release point, the crew electronic warfare officer (EW) reported over the intercom, SAM uplink, 2 o'clock! (He could see on his equipment scope the guidance signal of a SAM coming toward us from the right and slightly forward.) We immediately went into a HARD, shuddering (shuddering caused by the wing tip on the outside of the turn in a high-speed buffet/stalling situation), right turn at a very steep bank angle (much steeper than the recommended max of 30 degrees) to try to make the missile overshoot us in the turn. There was a bright flash and a muffled explosion. The aircraft lurched slightly, as if driving over a speed bump. EW warned again, SAM uplink, 9 o'clock! This time, a HARD, shuddering turn to the left; again at a very steep bank angle. 'Another bright flash and another muffled explosion, followed immediately by the slight lurch of the aircraft flying through the exploding missile's blast wave. We were now very close to the release point, but in a hard left turn going way off the required release heading. We quickly rolled back straight and level for the bomb release with the PDI centered - that's the Pilot's Data Indicator, a bombing computer instrument, showing number of degrees to turn left or right to fly to the release point. Nav, reading the time-to-go (TG) meter, reported, with his voice getting high and squeaky, 10 seconds! (Elapsed time was significantly extended from the TG at the beginning of these maneuvers because of the turns away from the release point.) Meanwhile, EW was warning, Two SAM uplinks, 12 o'clock! (Two SAMs launched directly in front of us and coming toward us.) Co-pilot confirmed, Two visual SAM's, 12 o'clock! With highly elevated pucker factor, we waited - aircraft straight and level; PDI centered; EW watching the SAM guidance signals on his scope as the missiles rapidly approached. The time-to-go needle seemed to take forever to come off the eight-second mark. It quivered slightly and crept ever so slowly downward. At 5 seconds, we opened the doors; it took other eternity for the needle to pass 4, 3, 2 and 1. At zero, the aircraft shuddered slightly, indicating bombs release - 108 500-pounders away in 3 seconds - followed immediately by another shuddering, HARD, right turn, as we closed the bomb bay doors and the two SAMs streaked past just to the left of the forward fuselage. We quickly rejoined the other two BUFFs in our cell and headed back to U-Tapao, continuing the evasive zigzag for another five minutes or so as more SAM's were fired at us from the rear. After things had settled down significantly - EW was no longer seeing SAM guidance signals on his scopes, and the gunner in the tail was no longer calling out visual SAM sightings - we gave each other ATTABOYS for keeping things together so nicely. Otherwise, all was quiet in the aircraft, except for the very loud scream of the slipstream and engines as we kept the airspeed at bomb-run level of 470 knots to help reduce our extended exposure caused by the 100 to 120-knot headwind from the west. It was very hard for us to believe what we had just flown through. Many long pauses were interrupted by exclamations of shock, relief, disbelief and OH, S**T's! from all members of the crew. If we had not turned at just the
Re: [MBZ] OT - non-political B-52 tale - PHUC YEN
Wilton- you should really turn these tales into a book. I bet there is a publisher who would love these up-close stories of this war. Sorry if I sound like an academic. They are so well written I think previously untold. ATTABOY. On Oct 7, 2014 7:24 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Another non-political B-52 tale: PHUC YEN By Wilton Strickland By December 13, 1972, my B-52 (Big Ugly Fat Fellow - BUFF) crew from Kincheloe AFB, MI, had completed our normal six-month temporary duty tour flying Operation Arc Light bombing missions from Guam and U-Tapao, Thailand to Vietnam. We had spent about half the time flying out of Guam, the other half flying from Thailand. Because our gunner had already had several other Arc Light tours and there was not a significant shortage of gunners in the theater, he was allowed to return home. Officially, our crew was no longer there, but the five officers on the crew were held for several more days to fly extra missions as individual substitutes on other crews. Co-pilot, EW (electronic warfare officer) and I chose to return to Thailand to fly the extra missions. The original plan for the trip home, 'til we were extended, had been for us to fly a bomber from Guam to the Boeing Plant at Wichita, KS, about 14 or 15 Dec. After we were extended, though, the plan was for us to go home on a Kincheloe KC-135 tanker about 23 or 24 Dec. The tanker would be flying from U-Tapao to Guam the night of 23 Dec. I wanted to fly the extra missions from Thailand, because the mission length from Thailand was less than a third that from Guam, and I also had a new microwave oven and a motorcycle in boxes in a storage room on Guam that I wanted to take home. I had planned to take the items home in the BUFF, but now that I was going to be a passenger on a tanker, and because a weight limit had recently been placed on passenger luggage, I had to work out a way to get my excess included with the tanker crew's stuff. I could do that much more easily if I traveled from Thailand to Guam with them before going on to Michigan. After returning to U-Tapao, I temporarily joined a crew from Westover AFB, MA. The captain I was replacing was back home being treated for high blood pressure. (My blood pressure was about to get a significant boost!) By Dec 18, I had flown three very routine and uneventful missions to targets just south of the 20th parallel in North Vietnam with this crew. Things began to change drastically, though, on Dec 18th. Because we had not flown our normal daily schedule of a cell of three bombers taking off every hour throughout the day on the 18th, we BUFF crewmen suspected something bigger must have been coming. By noon, when schedules were posted for nearly 50 crews to attend pre-mission briefings in late afternoon and early evening, we knew something big was up. When the curtains were drawn to reveal our targets at the beginning of our pre-mission briefing, we knew we were finally going to fight the Vietnam War the way most of us thought it should have been done years before. Forty two B-52D's from U-Tapao and eighty nine B-52D's and G's from Guam were going to attack strategic targets in and around Hanoi that night - we were finally going to take the war home to the North Vietnamese government. We were going to destroy their war-making capacity - petroleum production and storage facilities, assembly plants, rail transshipment yards, power production and transmission systems, communications and command and control systems, airfields, surface-to-air missile (SAM) storage and launch sites, and much more. These facilities and systems were vital to the enemy's war effort and had contributed directly to the loss of many American and South Vietnamese lives throughout the war. Many of these potential targets, however, had been off limits to attack by American airmen for most of the war. This was the opening night of Linebacker II, called by many The Eleven-Day War, the no-holds-barred bombing campaign which finally persuaded the North Vietnamese to negotiate a settlement ending US involvement in the war. Immediately, during the pre-mission briefing, though, several of us saw possible serious problems with the tactics. All bombers were going in-trail (one behind the other) at the same altitude (35,000 to 36,000 feet) northbound along the same route about 150 nautical miles (NM) west of Hanoi to a point about 100 miles northwest of the city before turning southeast and splitting off to go to separate targets in and around Hanoi. Long before we could get to this major turning point, the enemy air defense forces would know our spacing and altitude - part of their gunnery/firing problem was already solved before we turned inbound toward the targets. My crew's target was Phuc Yen airfield about 10 miles north of Hanoi. Just as we were releasing, I heard a call on the
Re: [MBZ] OT - non-political B-52 tale - RADIO HANOI
Wilton, how do you remember such detail? These are awesome as all the Sondy tales are. On Oct 12, 2014 7:05 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Another non-political B-52 tale: RADIO HANOI - LONGEST 8 SECONDS By Wilton Strickland My crew's target the night of 19 Dec '72, the second night of the Linebacker II campaign, was Radio Hanoi just off the southwestern corner of Hanoi. Approach to the target was from the northwest at 36,000 feet; true airspeed (TAS) 470 knots. We had already been doing evasive maneuvers (zigzagging), starting about 75 nautical miles from the target because of the many surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) being fired at us. At 60 seconds to the bomb release point, normal procedures called for us to open the bomb bay doors. We had decided to keep the doors closed, though, as long as possible to prevent the large open belly of the BUFF, filled with of 42,000 pounds of iron bombs, in addition to 12,000 pounds on two pylons under the wings, from suddenly showing a much larger return on the air defense radar below. At about 30 seconds from the release point, the crew electronic warfare officer (EW) reported over the intercom, SAM uplink, 2 o'clock! (He could see on his equipment scope the guidance signal of a SAM coming toward us from the right and slightly forward.) We immediately went into a HARD, shuddering (shuddering caused by the wing tip on the outside of the turn in a high-speed buffet/stalling situation), right turn at a very steep bank angle (much steeper than the recommended max of 30 degrees) to try to make the missile overshoot us in the turn. There was a bright flash and a muffled explosion. The aircraft lurched slightly, as if driving over a speed bump. EW warned again, SAM uplink, 9 o'clock! This time, a HARD, shuddering turn to the left; again at a very steep bank angle. 'Another bright flash and another muffled explosion, followed immediately by the slight lurch of the aircraft flying through the exploding missile's blast wave. We were now very close to the release point, but in a hard left turn going way off the required release heading. We quickly rolled back straight and level for the bomb release with the PDI centered - that's the Pilot's Data Indicator, a bombing computer instrument, showing number of degrees to turn left or right to fly to the release point. Nav, reading the time-to-go (TG) meter, reported, with his voice getting high and squeaky, 10 seconds! (Elapsed time was significantly extended from the TG at the beginning of these maneuvers because of the turns away from the release point.) Meanwhile, EW was warning, Two SAM uplinks, 12 o'clock! (Two SAMs launched directly in front of us and coming toward us.) Co-pilot confirmed, Two visual SAM's, 12 o'clock! With highly elevated pucker factor, we waited - aircraft straight and level; PDI centered; EW watching the SAM guidance signals on his scope as the missiles rapidly approached. The time-to-go needle seemed to take forever to come off the eight-second mark. It quivered slightly and crept ever so slowly downward. At 5 seconds, we opened the doors; it took other eternity for the needle to pass 4, 3, 2 and 1. At zero, the aircraft shuddered slightly, indicating bombs release - 108 500-pounders away in 3 seconds - followed immediately by another shuddering, HARD, right turn, as we closed the bomb bay doors and the two SAMs streaked past just to the left of the forward fuselage. We quickly rejoined the other two BUFFs in our cell and headed back to U-Tapao, continuing the evasive zigzag for another five minutes or so as more SAM's were fired at us from the rear. After things had settled down significantly - EW was no longer seeing SAM guidance signals on his scopes, and the gunner in the tail was no longer calling out visual SAM sightings - we gave each other ATTABOYS for keeping things together so nicely. Otherwise, all was quiet in the aircraft, except for the very loud scream of the slipstream and engines as we kept the airspeed at bomb-run level of 470 knots to help reduce our extended exposure caused by the 100 to 120-knot headwind from the west. It was very hard for us to believe what we had just flown through. Many long pauses were interrupted by exclamations of shock, relief, disbelief and OH, S**T's! from all members of the crew. If we had not turned at just the right moment after bombs away, those last two missiles likely would have scored direct hits. We all agreed that we had, indeed, had our lucky day. (Actually a lucky day for all the BUFFs - none were lost this night.) After landing back at U-Tapao, we jumped out of the aircraft and ran around looking for holes in it, just knowing it must have some. Finally, finding none, I said to the rest of the crew, Let's go; we're out here on a black night, looking for black holes in a black airplane. Let's just
Re: [MBZ] OT - non-political B-52 tale - RADIO HANOI
If I was that close to death, I would remember it in detail for a long, long time On Oct 12, 2014, at 10:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Wilton, how do you remember such detail? These are awesome as all the Sondy tales are. On Oct 12, 2014 7:05 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Another non-political B-52 tale: RADIO HANOI - LONGEST 8 SECONDS By Wilton Strickland My crew's target the night of 19 Dec '72, the second night of the Linebacker II campaign, was Radio Hanoi just off the southwestern corner of Hanoi. Approach to the target was from the northwest at 36,000 feet; true airspeed (TAS) 470 knots. We had already been doing evasive maneuvers (zigzagging), starting about 75 nautical miles from the target because of the many surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) being fired at us. At 60 seconds to the bomb release point, normal procedures called for us to open the bomb bay doors. We had decided to keep the doors closed, though, as long as possible to prevent the large open belly of the BUFF, filled with of 42,000 pounds of iron bombs, in addition to 12,000 pounds on two pylons under the wings, from suddenly showing a much larger return on the air defense radar below. At about 30 seconds from the release point, the crew electronic warfare officer (EW) reported over the intercom, SAM uplink, 2 o'clock! (He could see on his equipment scope the guidance signal of a SAM coming toward us from the right and slightly forward.) We immediately went into a HARD, shuddering (shuddering caused by the wing tip on the outside of the turn in a high-speed buffet/stalling situation), right turn at a very steep bank angle (much steeper than the recommended max of 30 degrees) to try to make the missile overshoot us in the turn. There was a bright flash and a muffled explosion. The aircraft lurched slightly, as if driving over a speed bump. EW warned again, SAM uplink, 9 o'clock! This time, a HARD, shuddering turn to the left; again at a very steep bank angle. 'Another bright flash and another muffled explosion, followed immediately by the slight lurch of the aircraft flying through the exploding missile's blast wave. We were now very close to the release point, but in a hard left turn going way off the required release heading. We quickly rolled back straight and level for the bomb release with the PDI centered - that's the Pilot's Data Indicator, a bombing computer instrument, showing number of degrees to turn left or right to fly to the release point. Nav, reading the time-to-go (TG) meter, reported, with his voice getting high and squeaky, 10 seconds! (Elapsed time was significantly extended from the TG at the beginning of these maneuvers because of the turns away from the release point.) Meanwhile, EW was warning, Two SAM uplinks, 12 o'clock! (Two SAMs launched directly in front of us and coming toward us.) Co-pilot confirmed, Two visual SAM's, 12 o'clock! With highly elevated pucker factor, we waited - aircraft straight and level; PDI centered; EW watching the SAM guidance signals on his scope as the missiles rapidly approached. The time-to-go needle seemed to take forever to come off the eight-second mark. It quivered slightly and crept ever so slowly downward. At 5 seconds, we opened the doors; it took other eternity for the needle to pass 4, 3, 2 and 1. At zero, the aircraft shuddered slightly, indicating bombs release - 108 500-pounders away in 3 seconds - followed immediately by another shuddering, HARD, right turn, as we closed the bomb bay doors and the two SAMs streaked past just to the left of the forward fuselage. We quickly rejoined the other two BUFFs in our cell and headed back to U-Tapao, continuing the evasive zigzag for another five minutes or so as more SAM's were fired at us from the rear. After things had settled down significantly - EW was no longer seeing SAM guidance signals on his scopes, and the gunner in the tail was no longer calling out visual SAM sightings - we gave each other ATTABOYS for keeping things together so nicely. Otherwise, all was quiet in the aircraft, except for the very loud scream of the slipstream and engines as we kept the airspeed at bomb-run level of 470 knots to help reduce our extended exposure caused by the 100 to 120-knot headwind from the west. It was very hard for us to believe what we had just flown through. Many long pauses were interrupted by exclamations of shock, relief, disbelief and OH, S**T's! from all members of the crew. If we had not turned at just the right moment after bombs away, those last two missiles likely would have scored direct hits. We all agreed that we had, indeed, had our lucky day. (Actually a lucky day for all the BUFFs - none were lost this night.) After landing back at U-Tapao, we jumped out of the aircraft and ran around looking for holes in it, just knowing it
Re: [MBZ] OT Secret message for Scott Ritchey
So my uncle, who lives in KY and all my family was/is from there, posted this thing. I made a little blues ditty, Blues fo da Blues, and his wife, whom I find intensely annoying, got all bothered about it and started posting all kinds of sh..stuff about me being nasty and unhappy and various other things. She really does not like me so I goad her on the Book of Faces whenever I can, and she always takes the bait. Cheap fun. # https://www.facebook.com/browse/likes?id=914167918613228 https://www.facebook.com/lacy.thomas.7/posts/913852258644794?comment_id=914261341937219offset=0total_comments=23# # Rich Thomas https://www.facebook.com/rich.thomas.7?fref=ufiI woke up dis mawnin, I had dem blues. I woke up evvah mawnin I had dem blues. Evvabody done had dem blues, dey was all bluer that blue, and dey baby had not left dem. Lawdy I done been bone wif dem blues https://www.facebook.com/lacy.thomas.7/posts/913852258644794?comment_id=914245495272137offset=0total_comments=28 https://www.facebook.com/lacy.thomas.7/posts/913852258644794?comment_id=914261341937219offset=0total_comments=23# # Rich Thomas..WTF are you talking about? You are such an a holeashamed to say I am related by marriage!!! https://www.facebook.com/lacy.thomas.7/posts/913852258644794?comment_id=914259758604044offset=0total_comments=28 https://www.facebook.com/lacy.thomas.7/posts/913852258644794?comment_id=914261341937219offset=0total_comments=23# # This was a REAL conversation and you make fun??? Real class Rich! https://www.facebook.com/lacy.thomas.7/posts/913852258644794?comment_id=914259988604021offset=0total_comments=28 https://www.facebook.com/lacy.thomas.7/posts/913852258644794?comment_id=914261341937219offset=0total_comments=23# # Rich Thomas https://www.facebook.com/rich.thomas.7?fref=ufiI be writin a blues song about dem blues, the people blues not the feelin blues, though a blue wif dem blues would be a great act. And in da blues you always gots to wake up dis mawnin https://www.facebook.com/lacy.thomas.7/posts/913852258644794?comment_id=914260111937342offset=0total_comments=28 https://www.facebook.com/lacy.thomas.7/posts/913852258644794?comment_id=914261341937219offset=0total_comments=23# # so cleverNOT https://www.facebook.com/lacy.thomas.7/posts/913852258644794?comment_id=914260398603980offset=0total_comments=28 https://www.facebook.com/lacy.thomas.7/posts/913852258644794?comment_id=914261341937219offset=0total_comments=23# # Rich Thomas https://www.facebook.com/rich.thomas.7?fref=ufiI guess you won't be buying the record https://www.facebook.com/lacy.thomas.7/posts/913852258644794?comment_id=914260701937283offset=0total_comments=28 https://www.facebook.com/lacy.thomas.7/posts/913852258644794?comment_id=914261341937219offset=0total_comments=23# # ___Someone else_ Well, I am not offended. https://www.facebook.com/lacy.thomas.7/posts/913852258644794?comment_id=914260815270605offset=0total_comments=28 https://www.facebook.com/lacy.thomas.7/posts/913852258644794?comment_id=914261341937219offset=0total_comments=23# # ...you don't know him and the ugly things he posts all the time. https://www.facebook.com/lacy.thomas.7/posts/913852258644794?comment_id=914261341937219offset=0total_comments=28https://www.facebook.com/lacy.thomas.7/posts/913852258644794?comment_id=914261341937219offset=0total_comments=23# https://www.facebook.com/lacy.thomas.7/posts/913852258644794?comment_id=914261341937219offset=0total_comments=23# # Rich Thomas https://www.facebook.com/rich.thomas.7?fref=ufiB doesn't like me as a baseline https://www.facebook.com/lacy.thomas.7/posts/913852258644794?comment_id=914261791937174offset=0total_comments=28https://www.facebook.com/lacy.thomas.7/posts/913852258644794?comment_id=914261341937219offset=0total_comments=23# https://www.facebook.com/lacy.thomas.7/posts/913852258644794?comment_id=914261341937219offset=0total_comments=23# # I just don't appreciate the negativity that you put forth about things that some people postmy mother always taught me if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all..unless they strike firstthen take up for yourself and your family! Me thinks you are an unhappy person. https://www.facebook.com/lacy.thomas.7/posts/913852258644794?comment_id=914262708603749offset=0total_comments=28 https://www.facebook.com/lacy.thomas.7/posts/913852258644794?comment_id=914261341937219offset=0total_comments=23# # Rich Thomas https://www.facebook.com/rich.thomas.7?fref=ufiI don't love Obama either so that is a big issue in this particular familial relationship. That could be the source of my perceived putative unhappiness. https://www.facebook.com/lacy.thomas.7/posts/913852258644794?comment_id=914266381936715offset=0total_comments=28 https://www.facebook.com/lacy.thomas.7/posts/913852258644794?comment_id=914261341937219offset=0total_comments=23# # so ...you blame Obama for your unhappiness ? What a lame excuse...And
Re: [MBZ] OT - non-political B-52 tale - RADIO HANOI
Roger that. On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 7:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If I was that close to death, I would remember it in detail for a long, long time On Oct 12, 2014, at 10:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Wilton, how do you remember such detail? These are awesome as all the Sondy tales are. On Oct 12, 2014 7:05 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Another non-political B-52 tale: RADIO HANOI - LONGEST 8 SECONDS By Wilton Strickland My crew's target the night of 19 Dec '72, the second night of the Linebacker II campaign, was Radio Hanoi just off the southwestern corner of Hanoi. Approach to the target was from the northwest at 36,000 feet; true airspeed (TAS) 470 knots. We had already been doing evasive maneuvers (zigzagging), starting about 75 nautical miles from the target because of the many surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) being fired at us. At 60 seconds to the bomb release point, normal procedures called for us to open the bomb bay doors. We had decided to keep the doors closed, though, as long as possible to prevent the large open belly of the BUFF, filled with of 42,000 pounds of iron bombs, in addition to 12,000 pounds on two pylons under the wings, from suddenly showing a much larger return on the air defense radar below. At about 30 seconds from the release point, the crew electronic warfare officer (EW) reported over the intercom, SAM uplink, 2 o'clock! (He could see on his equipment scope the guidance signal of a SAM coming toward us from the right and slightly forward.) We immediately went into a HARD, shuddering (shuddering caused by the wing tip on the outside of the turn in a high-speed buffet/stalling situation), right turn at a very steep bank angle (much steeper than the recommended max of 30 degrees) to try to make the missile overshoot us in the turn. There was a bright flash and a muffled explosion. The aircraft lurched slightly, as if driving over a speed bump. EW warned again, SAM uplink, 9 o'clock! This time, a HARD, shuddering turn to the left; again at a very steep bank angle. 'Another bright flash and another muffled explosion, followed immediately by the slight lurch of the aircraft flying through the exploding missile's blast wave. We were now very close to the release point, but in a hard left turn going way off the required release heading. We quickly rolled back straight and level for the bomb release with the PDI centered - that's the Pilot's Data Indicator, a bombing computer instrument, showing number of degrees to turn left or right to fly to the release point. Nav, reading the time-to-go (TG) meter, reported, with his voice getting high and squeaky, 10 seconds! (Elapsed time was significantly extended from the TG at the beginning of these maneuvers because of the turns away from the release point.) Meanwhile, EW was warning, Two SAM uplinks, 12 o'clock! (Two SAMs launched directly in front of us and coming toward us.) Co-pilot confirmed, Two visual SAM's, 12 o'clock! With highly elevated pucker factor, we waited - aircraft straight and level; PDI centered; EW watching the SAM guidance signals on his scope as the missiles rapidly approached. The time-to-go needle seemed to take forever to come off the eight-second mark. It quivered slightly and crept ever so slowly downward. At 5 seconds, we opened the doors; it took other eternity for the needle to pass 4, 3, 2 and 1. At zero, the aircraft shuddered slightly, indicating bombs release - 108 500-pounders away in 3 seconds - followed immediately by another shuddering, HARD, right turn, as we closed the bomb bay doors and the two SAMs streaked past just to the left of the forward fuselage. We quickly rejoined the other two BUFFs in our cell and headed back to U-Tapao, continuing the evasive zigzag for another five minutes or so as more SAM's were fired at us from the rear. After things had settled down significantly - EW was no longer seeing SAM guidance signals on his scopes, and the gunner in the tail was no longer calling out visual SAM sightings - we gave each other ATTABOYS for keeping things together so nicely. Otherwise, all was quiet in the aircraft, except for the very loud scream of the slipstream and engines as we kept the airspeed at bomb-run level of 470 knots to help reduce our extended exposure caused by the 100 to 120-knot headwind from the west. It was very hard for us to believe what we had just flown through. Many long pauses were interrupted by exclamations of shock, relief, disbelief and OH, S**T's! from all members of the crew. If we had not turned at just the right moment after bombs away, those last two missiles likely would have scored direct hits. We all agreed that we had, indeed, had our
Re: [MBZ] OT - non-political B-52 tale - RADIO HANOI
That is nothing short of amazing. All crews were well trained. Some crews were truly crews who functioned as one. THis crew took it even further, to virtuoso level. Complete understanding of all systems, and their requirements and limitations, including the enemy systems. Distinguished Flying indeed! It is great the powers that were recognized that. More stories Col. Another non-political B-52 tale: RADIO HANOI - LONGEST 8 SECONDS By Wilton Strickland My crew's target the night of 19 Dec '72, the second night of the Linebacker II campaign, was Radio Hanoi just off the southwestern corner of Hanoi. Approach to the target was from the northwest at 36,000 feet; true airspeed (TAS) 470 knots. We had already been doing evasive maneuvers (zigzagging), starting about 75 nautical miles from the target because of the many surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) being fired at us. At 60 seconds to the bomb release point, normal procedures called for us to open the bomb bay doors. We had decided to keep the doors closed, though, as long as possible to prevent the large open belly of the BUFF, filled with of 42,000 pounds of iron bombs, in addition to 12,000 pounds on two pylons under the wings, from suddenly showing a much larger return on the air defense radar below. At about 30 seconds from the release point, the crew electronic warfare officer (EW) reported over the intercom, SAM uplink, 2 o'clock! (He could see on his equipment scope the guidance signal of a SAM coming toward us from the right and slightly forward.) We immediately went into a HARD, shuddering (shuddering caused by the wing tip on the outside of the turn in a high-speed buffet/stalling situation), right turn at a very steep bank angle (much steeper than the recommended max of 30 degrees) to try to make the missile overshoot us in the turn. There was a bright flash and a muffled explosion. The aircraft lurched slightly, as if driving over a speed bump. EW warned again, SAM uplink, 9 o'clock! This time, a HARD, shuddering turn to the left; again at a very steep bank angle. 'Another bright flash and another muffled explosion, followed immediately by the slight lurch of the aircraft flying through the exploding missile's blast wave. We were now very close to the release point, but in a hard left turn going way off the required release heading. We quickly rolled back straight and level for the bomb release with the PDI centered - that's the Pilot's Data Indicator, a bombing computer instrument, showing number of degrees to turn left or right to fly to the release point. Nav, reading the time-to-go (TG) meter, reported, with his voice getting high and squeaky, 10 seconds! (Elapsed time was significantly extended from the TG at the beginning of these maneuvers because of the turns away from the release point.) Meanwhile, EW was warning, Two SAM uplinks, 12 o'clock! (Two SAMs launched directly in front of us and coming toward us.) Co-pilot confirmed, Two visual SAM's, 12 o'clock! With highly elevated pucker factor, we waited - aircraft straight and level; PDI centered; EW watching the SAM guidance signals on his scope as the missiles rapidly approached. The time-to-go needle seemed to take forever to come off the eight-second mark. It quivered slightly and crept ever so slowly downward. At 5 seconds, we opened the doors; it took other eternity for the needle to pass 4, 3, 2 and 1. At zero, the aircraft shuddered slightly, indicating bombs release - 108 500-pounders away in 3 seconds - followed immediately by another shuddering, HARD, right turn, as we closed the bomb bay doors and the two SAMs streaked past just to the left of the forward fuselage. We quickly rejoined the other two BUFFs in our cell and headed back to U-Tapao, continuing the evasive zigzag for another five minutes or so as more SAM's were fired at us from the rear. After things had settled down significantly - EW was no longer seeing SAM guidance signals on his scopes, and the gunner in the tail was no longer calling out visual SAM sightings - we gave each other ATTABOYS for keeping things together so nicely. Otherwise, all was quiet in the aircraft, except for the very loud scream of the slipstream and engines as we kept the airspeed at bomb-run level of 470 knots to help reduce our extended exposure caused by the 100 to 120-knot headwind from the west. It was very hard for us to believe what we had just flown through. Many long pauses were interrupted by exclamations of shock, relief, disbelief and OH, S**T's! from all members of the crew. If we had not turned at just the right moment after bombs away, those last two missiles likely would have scored direct hits. We all agreed that we had, indeed, had our lucky day. (Actually a lucky day for all the BUFFs - none were lost this night.) After landing back at U-Tapao, we jumped out of the aircraft and ran around
Re: [MBZ] OT - non-political B-52 tale - RADIO HANOI
How do I remember? I don't know, but I do have my personal recordings of several of these missions as reminders of some points. The recordings don't do them justice, though - not nearly the same without the slipstream and engine noise, G forces and the buffeting from wing tip high-speed stalls in the turns. The recordings seem very sterile and benign sitting in an easy chair 40+ years later. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2014 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - non-political B-52 tale - RADIO HANOI If I was that close to death, I would remember it in detail for a long, long time On Oct 12, 2014, at 10:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Wilton, how do you remember such detail? These are awesome as all the Sondy tales are. On Oct 12, 2014 7:05 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Another non-political B-52 tale: RADIO HANOI - LONGEST 8 SECONDS By Wilton Strickland My crew's target the night of 19 Dec '72, the second night of the Linebacker II campaign, was Radio Hanoi just off the southwestern corner of Hanoi. Approach to the target was from the northwest at 36,000 feet; true airspeed (TAS) 470 knots. We had already been doing evasive maneuvers (zigzagging), starting about 75 nautical miles from the target because of the many surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) being fired at us. At 60 seconds to the bomb release point, normal procedures called for us to open the bomb bay doors. We had decided to keep the doors closed, though, as long as possible to prevent the large open belly of the BUFF, filled with of 42,000 pounds of iron bombs, in addition to 12,000 pounds on two pylons under the wings, from suddenly showing a much larger return on the air defense radar below. At about 30 seconds from the release point, the crew electronic warfare officer (EW) reported over the intercom, SAM uplink, 2 o'clock! (He could see on his equipment scope the guidance signal of a SAM coming toward us from the right and slightly forward.) We immediately went into a HARD, shuddering (shuddering caused by the wing tip on the outside of the turn in a high-speed buffet/stalling situation), right turn at a very steep bank angle (much steeper than the recommended max of 30 degrees) to try to make the missile overshoot us in the turn. There was a bright flash and a muffled explosion. The aircraft lurched slightly, as if driving over a speed bump. EW warned again, SAM uplink, 9 o'clock! This time, a HARD, shuddering turn to the left; again at a very steep bank angle. 'Another bright flash and another muffled explosion, followed immediately by the slight lurch of the aircraft flying through the exploding missile's blast wave. We were now very close to the release point, but in a hard left turn going way off the required release heading. We quickly rolled back straight and level for the bomb release with the PDI centered - that's the Pilot's Data Indicator, a bombing computer instrument, showing number of degrees to turn left or right to fly to the release point. Nav, reading the time-to-go (TG) meter, reported, with his voice getting high and squeaky, 10 seconds! (Elapsed time was significantly extended from the TG at the beginning of these maneuvers because of the turns away from the release point.) Meanwhile, EW was warning, Two SAM uplinks, 12 o'clock! (Two SAMs launched directly in front of us and coming toward us.) Co-pilot confirmed, Two visual SAM's, 12 o'clock! With highly elevated pucker factor, we waited - aircraft straight and level; PDI centered; EW watching the SAM guidance signals on his scope as the missiles rapidly approached. The time-to-go needle seemed to take forever to come off the eight-second mark. It quivered slightly and crept ever so slowly downward. At 5 seconds, we opened the doors; it took other eternity for the needle to pass 4, 3, 2 and 1. At zero, the aircraft shuddered slightly, indicating bombs release - 108 500-pounders away in 3 seconds - followed immediately by another shuddering, HARD, right turn, as we closed the bomb bay doors and the two SAMs streaked past just to the left of the forward fuselage. We quickly rejoined the other two BUFFs in our cell and headed back to U-Tapao, continuing the evasive zigzag for another five minutes or so as more SAM's were fired at us from the rear. After things had settled down significantly - EW was no longer seeing SAM guidance signals on his scopes, and the gunner in the tail was no longer calling out visual SAM sightings - we gave each other ATTABOYS for keeping things together so nicely. Otherwise, all was quiet in the aircraft, except for the very loud scream of the slipstream and engines as we kept the airspeed at bomb-run level of 470 knots to help reduce our extended exposure caused by the 100 to
Re: [MBZ] OT Non-Political B-52 tale - RADIO HANOI (WILTON)
On Oct 12, 2014, at 7:50 PM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: Good tale Wilton. Glad you made it back that night! One of the WSOs that flew with me in my back seat in TAC in Thailand survived a year over the trail. But when he went back to the US, guess where he went? - back to Buffs. Not long after requal he was back in Thailand for Linebacker II. Apparently the Sams were better one night and took out his Buff - he didn't make it back. AST CL500 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Subject: [MBZ] OT - non-political B-52 tale - RADIO HANOI Date: October 12, 2014 4:04:27 PM PDT To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Another non-political B-52 tale: RADIO HANOI - LONGEST 8 SECONDS ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - non-political B-52 tale - PHUC YEN
Original Message From: Dwight Giles via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2014 8:58 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List; WILTON Reply To: Dwight Giles Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - non-political B-52 tale - PHUC YEN Wilton- you should really turn these tales into a book. http://www.abebooks.com/9780974703503/Buff-0974703508/plp http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1591143861?ie=UTF8at=force-full-site=1ref_=aw_bottom_links Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
