Re: [MBZ] enu9a5er
Max wrote: Yes. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Winter Adventure
Just drove home from Grand Rapids airport with my Mother. She came back from Florida if you can believe it. Blizzard conditions with 30 mph winds. 45 minute trip took 2 hours 15 minutes. Last 1/2 hour on back roads bucking drifts that kept engine temps at about a third below normal. 84 300D with 4 blizzack snows, took it all in stride. Stressful but kinda fun. Glad to be home. Michael E. Esh 231 286 2344 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Best Linux Distro for P4 boxes?
Curly wrote: I am going to revive an old topic. I tried loading the latest ubuntu on a P4 box, and it choked for 2 reasons. 14.04 requires a dvd... the installer sez the machine video won't support 14.04. I though one major selling point was that it did not require the latest hardware? Ubuntu? Probably not. Linux (properly GNU/Linux) is not much more specific than saying computer. The are _so_ many choices - in distributions as well as software. If you are running on older hardware, you might not get to use any distribution or any desktop. GNOME3 is going to have trouble with older hardware. So I get out the CD I made in 11-2013, whatever version that is. It installs and runs, but there is a big lag. I was able to get the old windows files off the machine so that I can wipe the drive. Windows XP choked for some reason. it won't start up. Has been maybe 12-18 months since it was a clean install, and it was not used heavily or abused that I can tell. Maybe there is hardware trouble? I really like using live CD to test hardware. SystemRescue, GMRL, Knopix, etc. Is there a better linux to use for RDP connections to a terminal server (2003 or 2008 winders)? I am thinking the lag is because it installed with winders, and did not make a separate partition as red hat used to. Probably not the fault of MS Win. I'm quite familiar with Debian. And by choosing XFCE or LXDE as a session manager rather than GNOME or KDE the demand on hardware - especially video hardware - will be a lot less. I have a couple P4 vintage machines that run quite well with Debian - but NOT GNOME or KDE desktop sessions! I anticipate the main use to be to connect to a server via RDP. But some Libre office applications may be run locally. OpenOffice and LibreOffice a kinda demanding. For lightweight use, Abiword (word processor) and gnumeric (spreadsheet) are much less demanding - but are also not as integrated. and M$ has pretty well sabotaged XP to make it unusable. rant Right now, I think there is a huge market for a good XP replacement. The LXDE desktop layout is very similar to MSWin XP. A former MSWin user is likely to feel more comfortable there than in Win8!! It is rather lightweight, so the demand on hardware is not extreme. I'm not familiar enough with Ubuntu, but I'm kinda surprised they don't have an install option for XFCE or LXDE. Debian does. :) A quick search shows Lubuntu as a Ubuntu variant that defaults to LXDE and Xubuntu that use XFCE. http://lubuntu.net http://www.xubuntu.org/ https://sites.google.com/site/masonux/home All of the Ubuntu variants should be able to use the full Ubuntu repository making software installation pretty easy. Puppy is the ultimate in small hardware, lightweight - but it also sacrifices administration convenience and software choices. At least a 386 processor, 600 MHz is nice. 64MB RAM -- Bare minimum 128MB RAM -- Practical Minimum 256MB RAM -- Desirable Minimum http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=63547 http://puppylinux.org/main/Overview%20and%20Getting%20Started.htm The diabolical bas*tads disable the working stuff so they can extort more money out of everyone. The only reason the precision 360 video cards, (one is a quattro FX) high end stuff at the time, don't work is simply because M$ and nvidia want to force you to buy new hardware. Yup. I don't pay much attention to MSWin - but there is not software claiming it needs at least Win7 to run... One of these days I'll actually have to abandon XP. *sigh* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Winter Adventure
With a couple bags of sand tubes, or a couple big toolboxes in the trunk, that is a good combination for winter. Well done! Just drove home from Grand Rapids airport with my Mother. She came back from Florida if you can believe it. Blizzard conditions with 30 mph winds. 45 minute trip took 2 hours 15 minutes. Last 1/2 hour on back roads bucking drifts that kept engine temps at about a third below normal. 84 300D with 4 blizzack snows, took it all in stride. Stressful but kinda fun. Glad to be home. Michael E. Esh 231 286 2344 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio
Andrew sez: We are down to earth, solid, and put everything in perspective. I can go for the first 2, but I don't get the connection with the last one. down to earth, solid, ... as a rock and just as stubborn. ; ) (from a stubborn hard-headed kraut who is not a geologist) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Best Linux Distro for P4 boxes?
I am going to revive an old topic. I tried loading the latest ubuntu on a P4 box, and it choked for 2 reasons. 14.04 requires a dvd, and no player on the old box. So I put in a dvd. Then the installer sez the machine video won't support 14.04.I though one major selling point was that it did not require the latest hardware? It keeps wanting to install 14.04 i didn't see any way to reject that install other than cancelling the popup each time, and that is too much to expect of an average user. Someone will start the install, and probably crash the OS. So I get out the CD I made in 11-2013, whatever version that is. It installs and runs, but there is a big lag. I was able to get the old windows files off the machine so that I can wipe the drive. Windows XP choked for some reason. it won't start up. Has been maybe 12-18 months since it was a clean install, and it was not used heavily or abused that I can tell. Is there a better linux to use for RDP connections to a terminal server (2003 or 2008 winders)? I am thinking the lag is because it installed with winders, and did not make a separate partition as red hat used to. I anticipate the main use to be to connect to a server via RDP. But some Libre office applications may be run locally. While on the RDP subject: Can I install VNC everywhere and avoid the terminal Server per seat licensing? Will it be a huge security risk to run VNC? TIA Machines are mostly Dell optiplex 260 to 280, but I have 3 dell precision 360s from about the same vintage that will end up as ubuntu or whatever because the digital video cards are not supported by lose7 (winders) or ubuntu 14.04 and M$ has pretty well sabotaged XP to make it unusable. rant Right now, I think there is a huge market for a good XP replacement. Everyplace I look, people are still running XP, with good reason. Wissta was a virus, 7 is no improvement, and 8 is close to Wissta.The diabolical bas*tads disable the working stuff so they can extort more money out of everyone. The only reason the precision 360 video cards, (one is a quattro FX) high end stuff at the time, don't work is simply because M$ and nvidia want to force you to buy new hardware. Winders 2000, though incomplete is still the best OS that M$ ever built. XP, is the completed 2000, except they put that stupid bubblegum interface over it, and it is a pain in the keester to always have to change the interface and start menu. I can live with clicking start to stop. /rant Some of the imacs are getting cheap enough that I seriously thought about buying them for the RDC clients and just dumping all the dell stuff. Much less hassle running old Macs, although they are getting bad too. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Best Linux Distro for P4 boxes?
On Jan 8, 2015 6:27 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I am going to revive an old topic. I tried loading the latest ubuntu on a P4 box, and it choked for 2 reasons. Ubuntu is intended to be a user friendly Linux, and has the overhead to achieve it. Something from the correct era, like CentOS or Debian, will be more difficult to administer but should feel less strained. I have installed CentOS 4 and 5 on P4 and Celeron machines with good results, though usually without X. I am using Fedora as a desktop at work. It runs well, though the machine is pretty beefy. Might be worth checking out if CentOS doesn't have software you need. On a related note, you might think hard about replacing those systems if they are going to be on most of the time. I figured the power cost for replacing my old Xeon, and the payback was pretty short. Is there a better linux to use for RDP connections to a terminal server (2003 or 2008 winders)? I am thinking the lag is because it installed with winders, and did not make a separate partition as red hat used to. I would reformat. The disk will be slower if it isn't ext3 or so. You may have been running off the CD, which will certainly be laggy... I anticipate the main use to be to connect to a server via RDP. But some Libre office applications may be run locally. The Java Office apps take a long time to load, in my experience. Once they are up they are tolerable, but personally I'd rather run the real thing (well, 2003 maybe) in Wine. Any distribution should have rdesktop, which should work fine as long as you have the domain security stuff off. While on the RDP subject: Can I install VNC everywhere and avoid the terminal Server per seat licensing? Will it be a huge security risk to run VNC? You can use VNC without security concerns, but in my experience (rather dated) performance is unusably poor. I use RDP, and SSH with remote X on Unix. TightVNC or RealVNC may be good enough for your users now, though. because the digital video cards are not supported by lose7 (winders) I have been able to use XP drivers on Windows 7 in most cases. rant 7 is no improvement, I love W7 (professional, never used home). On the same machine it booted faster, and did about 10% better than XP transcoding video. It also seems to handle memory better long term. I have all the animations and whatever off, of course. The only reason the precision 360 video cards, (one is a quattro FX) I thought all the Nvidia cards had a monolithic driver that installed on any Windows. They also have a closed source Linux driver, though if you are only doing rdesktop you will probably be happy with the open source drivers. I have two Nvidia cards in my Fedora box at work. Winders 2000, though incomplete is still the best OS that M$ ever built. I have a TRS80 model 100, found it the other day at the bottom of a tool box. Booted right up. Microsoft, 1982, and four AA batteries. Some of the imacs are getting cheap enough that I seriously thought about buying them for the RDC clients and just dumping all the dell stuff. Much less hassle running old Macs, although they are getting bad too. I know a lot of folks love Macs here, but I have had the same kinds of problems with old Macs that I've had with old enterprise desktops. In aggregate I wouldn't consider them any more reliable than a decent x86 system running Linux. Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio
Dan wrote: ...I have met very highly educated people who are total idiots. Are we all idiots? How has this thread derailed from agorism to idiot? From Wiki: Agorism is a libertarian social philosophy that advocates creating a society in which all relations between people are voluntary exchanges by means of counter-economics, thus engaging in a manner with aspects of peaceful revolution. I figured Curt was close to Keene. These liberty guys sound interesting, and of course, from NH. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] SOT (somewhat OT): TOyota share its patents.
Craig wrote: That reminds me of an episode that occurred when we were living off-grid south of Calhan, Colorado. We lived south of Ellicott, CO at Drennan 1985-1990. When did you live south of Calhan? Calhan had the fairgrounds. We had the absolute best alluvial groundwater in the world - 100 feet to the Black Squirrel Basin which purportedly connected to the much deeper bedrock Laramie Fox Hills. Schubert Sod Farm pumped the same water out there in the moose pasture east of Ellicott. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio
Formal education vs idiocy? IMHO little to no correlation! My grandfather had an 8th-grade education. Poet, philosopher, seeker of knowledge, janitor. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Best Linux Distro for P4 boxes?
Curly wrote: I am going to revive an old topic. I tried loading the latest ubuntu on a P4 box, and it choked for 2 reasons. 14.04 requires a dvd... the installer sez the machine video won't support 14.04. I though one major selling point was that it did not require the latest hardware? Ubuntu? Probably not. Linux (properly GNU/Linux) is not much more specific than saying computer. The are _so_ many choices - in distributions as well as software. If you are running on older hardware, you might not get to use any distribution or any desktop. GNOME3 is going to have trouble with older hardware. So I get out the CD I made in 11-2013, whatever version that is. It installs and runs, but there is a big lag. I was able to get the old windows files off the machine so that I can wipe the drive. Windows XP choked for some reason. it won't start up. Has been maybe 12-18 months since it was a clean install, and it was not used heavily or abused that I can tell. Maybe there is hardware trouble? I really like using live CD to test hardware. SystemRescue, GMRL, Knopix, etc. Is there a better linux to use for RDP connections to a terminal server (2003 or 2008 winders)? I am thinking the lag is because it installed with winders, and did not make a separate partition as red hat used to. Probably not the fault of MS Win. I'm quite familiar with Debian. And by choosing XFCE or LXDE as a session manager rather than GNOME or KDE the demand on hardware - especially video hardware - will be a lot less. I have a couple P4 vintage machines that run quite well with Debian - but NOT GNOME or KDE desktop sessions! I anticipate the main use to be to connect to a server via RDP. But some Libre office applications may be run locally. OpenOffice and LibreOffice a kinda demanding. For lightweight use, Abiword (word processor) and gnumeric (spreadsheet) are much less demanding - but are also not as integrated. and M$ has pretty well sabotaged XP to make it unusable. rant Right now, I think there is a huge market for a good XP replacement. The LXDE desktop layout is very similar to MSWin XP. A former MSWin user is likely to feel more comfortable there than in Win8!! It is rather lightweight, so the demand on hardware is not extreme. I'm not familiar enough with Ubuntu, but I'm kinda surprised they don't have an install option for XFCE or LXDE. Debian does. :) A quick search shows Lubuntu as a Ubuntu variant that defaults to LXDE and Xubuntu that use XFCE. http://lubuntu.net http://www.xubuntu.org/ https://sites.google.com/site/masonux/home All of the Ubuntu variants should be able to use the full Ubuntu repository making software installation pretty easy. Puppy is the ultimate in small hardware, lightweight - but it also sacrifices administration convenience and software choices. At least a 386 processor, 600 MHz is nice. 64MB RAM -- Bare minimum 128MB RAM -- Practical Minimum 256MB RAM -- Desirable Minimum http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=63547 http://puppylinux.org/main/Overview%20and%20Getting%20Started.htm The diabolical bas*tads disable the working stuff so they can extort more money out of everyone. The only reason the precision 360 video cards, (one is a quattro FX) high end stuff at the time, don't work is simply because M$ and nvidia want to force you to buy new hardware. Yup. I don't pay much attention to MSWin - but there is not software claiming it needs at least Win7 to run... One of these days I'll actually have to abandon XP. *sigh* Thank you Sir! I will look into the lubuntu. I am only abandoning XP kicking and screaming because it has been M$abotaged so completely. I have used open and libre office in Mac and windows and I am comfortable with it. This search for XP alternatives was brought on because I've had 2 winders xp machines choke and die for no apparent reason, and roaming profiles that don't work. I just refuse to pay good money for a crappy OS any more. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Best Linux Distro for P4 boxes?
On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 22:01:24 -0600 fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yup. I don't pay much attention to MSWin - but there is not software claiming it needs at least Win7 to run... One of these days I'll actually have to abandon XP. *sigh* I went to update the maps on our Garmin Nüvi 750 and found that Garmin is going to be abandoning XP soon. I went ahead and tried to update and the process did not work, so maybe they already have. I bought a Win 7 Pro two-cd installation set for both 32-bit and 64-bit off ebay. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Best Linux Distro for P4 boxes?
On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 21:11:48 -0500 Tim Crone via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Jan 8, 2015 6:27 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: rant 7 is no improvement, I love W7 (professional, never used home). On the same machine it booted faster, and did about 10% better than XP transcoding video. It also seems to handle memory better long term. I have all the animations and whatever off, of course. That's nice to know. I'm hoping 7 will work tolerably well on our Dell Inspiron 600m. The only reason the precision 360 video cards, (one is a quattro FX) I thought all the Nvidia cards had a monolithic driver that installed on any Windows. They also have a closed source Linux driver, though if you are only doing rdesktop you will probably be happy with the open source drivers. I have two Nvidia cards in my Fedora box at work. Our computer has an ASUS motherboard that has an ATI video card built in. I bought an EVGA 256-P2-N751-TR Geforce 8600gt 256mb to use instead since it has more horsepower. With the open-source drivers that came with CentOS 5, displaying of Google Maps, particularly changing zoom levels, was intolerably slow. I then started using the NVidia binary-only drivers. These required a new build and new install every time the kernel was updated. At some point, I found the videos on YouTube had really strange color. I called NVidia and spoke with a very helpful fellow. He told me how to monkey things around so the videos looked proper. These changes had to be done with each kernel update, too. I finally got tired of all the hassle and bother (plus another reason I don't remember now) and yanked the NVidia card. I started using the built-in ATI card. There is now no hassle and things just work. I'm planning on not using NVidia cards on Linux. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] SOT (somewhat OT): TOyota share its patents.
On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 20:31:46 -0600 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Craig wrote: That reminds me of an episode that occurred when we were living off-grid south of Calhan, Colorado. We lived south of Ellicott, CO at Drennan 1985-1990. When did you live south of Calhan? We lived there 1983-1990. Calhan had the fairgrounds. Yup. Shirley won blue ribbons there for her homemade bread. We had the absolute best alluvial groundwater in the world - 100 feet to the Black Squirrel Basin which purportedly connected to the much deeper bedrock Laramie Fox Hills. Schubert Sod Farm pumped the same water out there in the moose pasture east of Ellicott. We were much higher up than you at just under 7000'. Our well was 523' deep and put out 10 gallons/minute. I don't recall what acquifer we tapped into. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] enu9a5er
Yes. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Jan 8, 2015 2:53 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Forwarded Message Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 14:22:26 -0500 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com OK ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio
We are down to earth, solid, and put everything in perspective. On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Right on. Physicists are notorious idiots, whereas it's very hard to find a Geologist who meet the criteria. Geologists have rocks in their heads ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio
Some have mush in their heads --R On 1/8/15 3:55 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Right on. Physicists are notorious idiots, whereas it's very hard to find a Geologist who meet the criteria. Geologists have rocks in their heads ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] How list members can tell it's winter time
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Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles
She will ask specifically. I'll have to let her drive it, and if the performance is equal or better, she would probably go for it. She thrashes cars, so I might have some concerns about its longevity under such conditions. That being said, I pushed for the four banger when we bought the car, mainly from a standpoint of economy. Thanks! Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 7, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: There was an article about it in our last AAA magazine. I think he said there only is a 4cyl version. Just checked and yup, no 6cyl offered.The 4 is a185hp though which is staggering for the displacement. Let her drive it, TELL her its a 6cyl and she'll never know... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles I would love for her to have a four cylinder model, but there's no way she would go for it. She's absolute about having a six cylinder. Lost that battle when we bought this one Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 7, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Original Message From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 9:40 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Dan Penoff Subject: Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles Wifey's car is a 2005 Mazda 6 Sport. We will probably buy another Mazda 6, as she likes the car and the current one has been good. The Ticker Guy Karl Denninger likes his new one. A lot. http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3352319 http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3354043 http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3370175 Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio
I know of them. Keene is apparently a hotbed of libritarianism. There are loads of videos on Youtube of kids there messing with the police. It all went wrong last October during the pumpkin festival. I live about a half hour south, just over the MA line. We go to Keene often, most recently I was there to pick up coolant for my Jetta and diesel anti-gel for my 190D (MB content). -Curt From: Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 10:00 PM Subject: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio Liberty radio from Keene, NH - has anyone heard this evening radio show? Ian is the host and frequent guest Christopher Cantwell. freetalklive.com They seem sensible... I have been hearing them for a week 6-9pm and find them interesting, speaking about liberty issues and a new word - agorism. Okiebenz could inundate them with calls about W123 automobiles - it is free talk live and we set the agenda. They have a religious guy call that they try to frustrate. Has anyone heard this radio? Curt? or other NE DIY drivers? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Test Your Snow Blower IQ – Take The Quiz
Never use your head to clear a blockage in your snowblower. -Curt From: Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 1:21 AM Subject: [MBZ] OT: Test Your Snow Blower IQ – Take The Quiz Interesting quiz: http://blog.jackssmallengines.com/2015/01/test-your-snow-blower-iq/?utm_source=Jacks+Small+Engines+Newsletterutm_campaign=db30b15147-Jacks_Small_Engines_Newsletter1_5_2015utm_medium=emailutm_term=0_b9c41b695b-db30b15147-22012229 Craig -- Present:'95 E320 Sebastian 131 kmi '82 240D/3.0 Bluebell 267 kmi (need to fix leaking oil pressure gauge) '89 Chevrolet G20 Beauville Van (affectionately dubbed the BRV, Big Red Van) Past: '94 E420 Oskar 127 kmi '86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc Emma '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles
185HP ought to satisfy anybody. A TBI late '80s GM V8 only made 150ish. It'll be all up high but the car should be geared to take advantage of it. Tell her that F1 cars regularly spin their engines MUCH faster.Explain that she's been brainwashed to want a v6... Or just don't buy a Mazda 6. :) -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles She will ask specifically. I'll have to let her drive it, and if the performance is equal or better, she would probably go for it. She thrashes cars, so I might have some concerns about its longevity under such conditions. That being said, I pushed for the four banger when we bought the car, mainly from a standpoint of economy. Thanks! Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio
Do you go over the line to buy liquor and smokes? Dan who once looked at buying a house in Nashua On Jan 8, 2015, at 8:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I know of them. Keene is apparently a hotbed of libritarianism. There are loads of videos on Youtube of kids there messing with the police. It all went wrong last October during the pumpkin festival. I live about a half hour south, just over the MA line. We go to Keene often, most recently I was there to pick up coolant for my Jetta and diesel anti-gel for my 190D (MB content). -Curt From: Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 10:00 PM Subject: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio Liberty radio from Keene, NH - has anyone heard this evening radio show? Ian is the host and frequent guest Christopher Cantwell. freetalklive.com They seem sensible... I have been hearing them for a week 6-9pm and find them interesting, speaking about liberty issues and a new word - agorism. Okiebenz could inundate them with calls about W123 automobiles - it is free talk live and we set the agenda. They have a religious guy call that they try to frustrate. Has anyone heard this radio? Curt? or other NE DIY drivers? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles
Her parents brainwashed her years ago that a six is a minimum for safety purposes, e.g., trying to pull out into traffic in a hurry. There's no use in trying to explain otherwise, although if their four cylinder mill will make the car stand up on its hind legs, she would probably be satisfied. Thanks, Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2015, at 8:41 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: 185HP ought to satisfy anybody. A TBI late '80s GM V8 only made 150ish. It'll be all up high but the car should be geared to take advantage of it. Tell her that F1 cars regularly spin their engines MUCH faster. Explain that she's been brainwashed to want a v6... Or just don't buy a Mazda 6. :) -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles She will ask specifically. I'll have to let her drive it, and if the performance is equal or better, she would probably go for it. She thrashes cars, so I might have some concerns about its longevity under such conditions. That being said, I pushed for the four banger when we bought the car, mainly from a standpoint of economy. Thanks! Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio
Original Message From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 11:05 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply To: Rich Thomas Subject: Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio He meant me. I can take it. You are sarcastic, not an idiot :) And yeah, after looking at it, he probably did mean you. Another reason to TRIM YOUR POSTS. TOP POST or bottom post or whatever. It makes it much easier to understand what and/or who is being referred to. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio
He meant me. I can take it. Especially after spending 4.5 hr last night at a City of Charleston Board of Zoning Appeals hearing last night and mixing it up with a couple of the real idiots on the board, and developers. --R I thought he meant no shortage of idiots when algore shows up at a global warming conference. (before or after the snow and frigid temps)) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio
Original Message From: Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 11:00 AM To: Rick Knoble Subject: Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio Why do you assumeI was referring to Craig? Because of the thread progression. On Thu, 08 Jan 2015 09:55:29 -0500 Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: algorism On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: us when Algore shows up in a town to give a speech on global warming, and it snows 2 feet. That's what I thought, too Craig was the last to respond to Rich, and you responded to Craig's post. Sorry for my confusion. Rick Who can't find an emoticon that has a Forrest Gump expression. BTW, Rich has advanced engineering degrees, Craig has advanced physics degrees. If anyone here could be considered an idiot it would be me. I have no degrees,not even an associates. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio
I'm a little confused with the thread progression, but I will say that just because someone doesn't have a formal education does not mean they're an idiot, by any stretch of the imagination. For that matter, I have met very highly educated people who are total idiots. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2015, at 12:36 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: BTW, Rich has advanced engineering degrees, Craig has advanced physics degrees. If anyone here could be considered an idiot it would be me. I have no degrees,not even an ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles
I was not trying to suggest our car was indicative of all Mazdas, just that this has been our experience based on where the car has been located. I've never looked at information on any of the Mazda forums regarding rust. I'll check it out. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2015, at 10:11 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm not knowledgable on the Mazda makes, models, years but it has been my observation that Mazda 3 and 6 models made in the 2000s are quite rust prone. Perhaps less than three years salt exposure not enough? Perhaps your model year was not affected? This is just a general observation on my part. Also if you do a web search on Mazda rust you will see that my observation has some factual basis. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2015, at 9:52 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Just as a data point, our 2005 Mazda 6 spent almost three years in the Midwest, and was exposed to the typical snow, sand and road salt. Other than some superficial surface rust on the undercarriage, there is no evidence of rust on any of the body panels that I've seen. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2015, at 9:35 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Mazda a is not a good match for New England winters based on my observation of significant rust in 4-8 year old cars. Check out rear quarter panel areas. Not good. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles
Now I'm tempted to go try one. One of my favorite rental cars was a Mazda 6 although that probably had more to do with where I was and the roads I was traveling. Nova Scotia is beautiful country when the weather is nice and miserable when it isn't. If the car guy in our AAA mag thought it was enough power she will too. He regularly poo-poos cars that have plenty of power as being pokey. I don't consider anything that does 0-60 in less than 10 seconds pokey. http://www.edmunds.com/mazda/mazda6/2014/road-test1.html suggests 7.6 seconds which is pretty dammed fast. Minimum for safety purposes? Thats the lamest thing I've ever heard. You should get her a 240D and listen to her howl! Angie calls my Jetta zippy and its only got 90hp. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles Her parents brainwashed her years ago that a six is a minimum for safety purposes, e.g., trying to pull out into traffic in a hurry. There's no use in trying to explain otherwise, although if their four cylinder mill will make the car stand up on its hind legs, she would probably be satisfied. Thanks, Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2015, at 8:41 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: 185HP ought to satisfy anybody. A TBI late '80s GM V8 only made 150ish. It'll be all up high but the car should be geared to take advantage of it. Tell her that F1 cars regularly spin their engines MUCH faster. Explain that she's been brainwashed to want a v6... Or just don't buy a Mazda 6. :) -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles She will ask specifically. I'll have to let her drive it, and if the performance is equal or better, she would probably go for it. She thrashes cars, so I might have some concerns about its longevity under such conditions. That being said, I pushed for the four banger when we bought the car, mainly from a standpoint of economy. Thanks! Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles
Just as a data point, our 2005 Mazda 6 spent almost three years in the Midwest, and was exposed to the typical snow, sand and road salt. Other than some superficial surface rust on the undercarriage, there is no evidence of rust on any of the body panels that I've seen. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2015, at 9:35 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Mazda a is not a good match for New England winters based on my observation of significant rust in 4-8 year old cars. Check out rear quarter panel areas. Not good. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles
I'm not knowledgable on the Mazda makes, models, years but it has been my observation that Mazda 3 and 6 models made in the 2000s are quite rust prone. Perhaps less than three years salt exposure not enough? Perhaps your model year was not affected? This is just a general observation on my part. Also if you do a web search on Mazda rust you will see that my observation has some factual basis. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2015, at 9:52 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Just as a data point, our 2005 Mazda 6 spent almost three years in the Midwest, and was exposed to the typical snow, sand and road salt. Other than some superficial surface rust on the undercarriage, there is no evidence of rust on any of the body panels that I've seen. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2015, at 9:35 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Mazda a is not a good match for New England winters based on my observation of significant rust in 4-8 year old cars. Check out rear quarter panel areas. Not good. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio
algorism us when Algore shows up in a town to give a speech on global warming, and it snows 2 feet. --R On 1/7/15 10:13 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Wed, 7 Jan 2015 21:00:57 -0600 Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Liberty radio from Keene, NH - has anyone heard this evening radio show? Ian is the host and frequent guest Christopher Cantwell. freetalklive.com They seem sensible... I have been hearing them for a week 6-9pm and find them interesting, speaking about liberty issues and a new word - agorism. I put that word in http://dictionary.reference.com/browse and got the results: Did you mean ogre? More suggestions: algorism ogreism ageism agoras egoism agoras' agora's Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles
185HP ought to satisfy anybody. Our 450 SL (V8) had around 160 HP. My 200D has around 60HP, maybe, and it is surprisingly drivable. It will make it to freeway speed by the end of our (old, short) onramp. Not so the poor, pathetic 240D automatic we once had, which took a mile or so more to get there. Honestly I think anything above 90HP or so is all that is _necessary_ for safe driving. (Actually, the torque associated with 90HP. Diesels can get away with less HP because they tend to have more torque anyway.) This assuming the car is designed well, of course. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio
I see there is no shortage of idiots around... On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Thu, 08 Jan 2015 09:55:29 -0500 Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: algorism us when Algore shows up in a town to give a speech on global warming, and it snows 2 feet. That's what I thought, too, but the website defines it as algorism [al-guh-riz-uh m] Word Origin noun, Mathematics Now Rare. 1. the Arabic system of arithmetical notation (with the figures 1, 2, 3, etc.). 2. the art of computation with the Arabic figures, one to nine, plus the zero; arithmetic. 3. algorithm. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio
I take personal offense at you referring to a nuclear physicist (Craig) as an idiot. Please retract that statement. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 Original Message From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 10:41 AM To: Craig; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio I see there is no shortage of idiots around... On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Thu, 08 Jan 2015 09:55:29 -0500 Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: algorism us when Algore shows up in a town to give a speech on global warming, and it snows 2 feet. That's what I thought, too, but the website defines it as algorism [al-guh-riz-uh m] Word Origin noun, Mathematics Now Rare. 1. the Arabic system of arithmetical notation (with the figures 1, 2, 3, etc.). 2. the art of computation with the Arabic figures, one to nine, plus the zero; arithmetic. 3. algorithm. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles
I think the 1.8 turbo VW Audi engine is phenomenal. I drove a friends old Audi A4 and it was really, really fast. No need for a six cylinder nowadays. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 08/01/2015 7:31 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: She will ask specifically. I'll have to let her drive it, and if the performance is equal or better, she would probably go for it. She thrashes cars, so I might have some concerns about its longevity under such conditions. That being said, I pushed for the four banger when we bought the car, mainly from a standpoint of economy. Thanks! Dan Sounds like my wife. She has a 4 cylinder Honda Accord and wishes it was the V6. I can tell you that little Honda moves and she has a lead foot. She does not need the 6. About the only advantage might be a smoother idle when stopped at a light with the AC on. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio
He meant me. I can take it. Especially after spending 4.5 hr last night at a City of Charleston Board of Zoning Appeals hearing last night and mixing it up with a couple of the real idiots on the board, and developers. --R On 1/8/15 11:53 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: I take personal offense at you referring to a nuclear physicist (Craig) as an idiot. Please retract that statement. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 Original Message From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 10:41 AM To: Craig; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio I see there is no shortage of idiots around... On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Thu, 08 Jan 2015 09:55:29 -0500 Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: algorism us when Algore shows up in a town to give a speech on global warming, and it snows 2 feet. That's what I thought, too, but the website defines it as algorism [al-guh-riz-uh m] Word Origin noun, Mathematics Now Rare. 1. the Arabic system of arithmetical notation (with the figures 1, 2, 3, etc.). 2. the art of computation with the Arabic figures, one to nine, plus the zero; arithmetic. 3. algorithm. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles
Yeah, if the AC dogged it down that would be a major problem. The AC is pretty much permanently on in her car...today would be one of the few exceptions. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 08/01/2015 7:31 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: She will ask specifically. I'll have to let her drive it, and if the performance is equal or better, she would probably go for it. She thrashes cars, so I might have some concerns about its longevity under such conditions. That being said, I pushed for the four banger when we bought the car, mainly from a standpoint of economy. Thanks! Dan Sounds like my wife. She has a 4 cylinder Honda Accord and wishes it was the V6. I can tell you that little Honda moves and she has a lead foot. She does not need the 6. About the only advantage might be a smoother idle when stopped at a light with the AC on. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles
Mazda a is not a good match for New England winters based on my observation of significant rust in 4-8 year old cars. Check out rear quarter panel areas. Not good. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2015, at 9:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Now I'm tempted to go try one. One of my favorite rental cars was a Mazda 6 although that probably had more to do with where I was and the roads I was traveling. Nova Scotia is beautiful country when the weather is nice and miserable when it isn't. If the car guy in our AAA mag thought it was enough power she will too. He regularly poo-poos cars that have plenty of power as being pokey. I don't consider anything that does 0-60 in less than 10 seconds pokey. http://www.edmunds.com/mazda/mazda6/2014/road-test1.html suggests 7.6 seconds which is pretty dammed fast. Minimum for safety purposes? Thats the lamest thing I've ever heard. You should get her a 240D and listen to her howl! Angie calls my Jetta zippy and its only got 90hp. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles Her parents brainwashed her years ago that a six is a minimum for safety purposes, e.g., trying to pull out into traffic in a hurry. There's no use in trying to explain otherwise, although if their four cylinder mill will make the car stand up on its hind legs, she would probably be satisfied. Thanks, Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2015, at 8:41 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: 185HP ought to satisfy anybody. A TBI late '80s GM V8 only made 150ish. It'll be all up high but the car should be geared to take advantage of it. Tell her that F1 cars regularly spin their engines MUCH faster. Explain that she's been brainwashed to want a v6... Or just don't buy a Mazda 6. :) -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles She will ask specifically. I'll have to let her drive it, and if the performance is equal or better, she would probably go for it. She thrashes cars, so I might have some concerns about its longevity under such conditions. That being said, I pushed for the four banger when we bought the car, mainly from a standpoint of economy. Thanks! Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio
On Thu, 08 Jan 2015 09:55:29 -0500 Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: algorism us when Algore shows up in a town to give a speech on global warming, and it snows 2 feet. That's what I thought, too, but the website defines it as algorism [al-guh-riz-uh m] Word Origin noun, Mathematics Now Rare. 1. the Arabic system of arithmetical notation (with the figures 1, 2, 3, etc.). 2. the art of computation with the Arabic figures, one to nine, plus the zero; arithmetic. 3. algorithm. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio
Original Message From: Craig via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 10:36 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Craig Subject: Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio On Thu, 08 Jan 2015 09:55:29 -0500 Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: algorism us when Algore shows up in a town to give a speech on global warming, and it snows 2 feet. That's what I thought, too, but the website defines it as algorism [al-guh-riz-uh m] Word Origin noun, Mathematics Now Rare. 1. the Arabic system of arithmetical notation (with the figures 1, 2, 3, etc.). 2. the art of computation with the Arabic figures, one to nine, plus the zero; arithmetic. 3. algorithm. Wrong spelling. Probably not a real word by traditional English dictionary standards. Algoreism. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=algoreism http://www.popwordwiki.com/Algoreism I could post other links, but they border being political. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Test Your Snow Blower IQ – Take The Quiz
Not that weird. Just about every year you'll hear about some idiot losing a hand clearing a blockage with the snowblower running and somebody else holding the augur control on. Or they tie the control on so they can reach in.I don't even reach in if its off, I've seen too many cases where I dislodge something with a stick and theres sufficient torque in there to grab the stick... -Curt From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Test Your Snow Blower IQ – Take The Quiz On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 13:38:36 + (UTC) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Never use your head to clear a blockage in your snowblower. That was a wierd question, wasn't it? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles
On 08/01/2015 7:31 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: She will ask specifically. I'll have to let her drive it, and if the performance is equal or better, she would probably go for it. She thrashes cars, so I might have some concerns about its longevity under such conditions. That being said, I pushed for the four banger when we bought the car, mainly from a standpoint of economy. Thanks! Dan Sounds like my wife. She has a 4 cylinder Honda Accord and wishes it was the V6. I can tell you that little Honda moves and she has a lead foot. She does not need the 6. About the only advantage might be a smoother idle when stopped at a light with the AC on. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Test Your Snow Blower IQ – Take The Quiz
On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 16:56:01 + (UTC) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Not that weird. Just about every year you'll hear about some idiot losing a hand clearing a blockage with the snowblower running and somebody else holding the augur control on. Or they tie the control on so they can reach in.I don't even reach in if its off, I've seen too many cases where I dislodge something with a stick and theres sufficient torque in there to grab the stick... -Curt From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Test Your Snow Blower IQ – Take The Quiz On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 13:38:36 + (UTC) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Never use your head to clear a blockage in your snowblower. That was a wierd question, wasn't it? It's not weird to say that one should not clear a blockage with one's hand. It is weird to say one should not clear a blockage with, give a list that is a) foot, b) hand, c) head, d) all of the above and then say the correct answer is d) all of the above. At least the way I think. :-) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio
Right on. Physicists are notorious idiots, whereas it's very hard to find a Geologist who meet the criteria. On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm a little confused with the thread progression, but I will say that just because someone doesn't have a formal education does not mean they're an idiot, by any stretch of the imagination. For that matter, I have met very highly educated people who are total idiots. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2015, at 12:36 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: BTW, Rich has advanced engineering degrees, Craig has advanced physics degrees. If anyone here could be considered an idiot it would be me. I have no degrees,not even an ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio
Original Message From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 1:12 PM To: Dan Penoff; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio Right on. Physicists are notorious idiots, whereas it's very hard to find a Geologist who meet the criteria. But their heads are hard as rocks? Rick Tongue planted firmly in cheek ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] enu9a5er
Forwarded Message Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 14:22:26 -0500 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com OK ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT: Honda is $70MM worse than Toyota
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration said Thursday it is fining Honda $70 million — the largest civil penalty levied against an automaker — for not reporting to regulators some 1,729 complaints that its vehicles caused deaths and injuries, and for not reporting warranty claims. The Japanese automaker acknowledged in November that it failed to report the death and injury complaints to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration over an 11-year period beginning in 2003. The company admitted it learned of the omissions in 2011 but had waited three years to take action. Honda also failed to report certain warranty claims and claims under customer satisfaction campaigns throughout the same period, federal officials said. The safety administration is imposing twin fines: $35 million for not reporting the death and injury complaints, and another $35 million for not reporting the warranty and customer satisfaction claims. Both fines are the maximums the agency is legally allowed to impose. Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx said the fines reflect the government's determination to take a tough stance against automakers who withhold safety information from regulators. What we cannot tolerate and will not tolerate is an automaker failing to report to us any recall issues, Foxx said. The Honda complaints include incidents related to air bags made by Japanese auto supplier Takata Corp., as well as other defective parts. Honda has recalled more than 5 million vehicles in the U.S. since 2008 to fix a potentially fatal defect in Takata-made air bags. The air bag inflators can rupture after a crash and injure occupants with shards of metal. Honda has agreed to pay the fines under a consent order it signed with the traffic safety administration on Dec. 29, federal officials said. But officials said they have not yet received all the complaints from Honda and therefore don't have a tally of how many deaths and injuries are involved. We have resolved this matter and will move forward to build on the important actions Honda has already taken to address our past shortcomings in early warning reporting, Rick Schostek, executive vice president of Honda North America Inc., said in a statement. The company blamed the omissions on errors related to data entry, computer coding, regulatory interpretation, and other errors in warranty and property damage claims reporting. Foxx said information about Honda's failure to disclose the complaints also has been forwarded to the Justice Department. The Center for Auto Safety, a consumer watchdog group, called for a criminal investigation of Honda after the company's failure to disclose the complaints became public. Clarence Ditlow, executive director of the center, said $70 million is too small a penalty considering that incidents involving Takata air bags are among the complaints not reported. How many other deadly defects are concealed in the 1,729 death and injury claims not reported by Honda? he asked. The company must waive all statutes of limitations at the state and federal level over potential recalls or lawsuits arising out of defects concealed in the unreported claims. Federal law requires automakers to submit death and injury complaints to regulators as part of an early warning system for identifying potential safety defects that can lead to a recall. The fine against Honda caps a tumultuous year for automakers and federal regulators. Including the fine against Honda, the traffic safety administration imposed $126 million in fines against automakers in 2014, more than all the fines in the agency's previous 43 years. In May, the traffic safety administration levied the first maximum $35 million fine in its history against General Motors for taking more than a decade to disclose an ignition-switch defect in millions of cars that has been linked to at least 42 deaths and 58 injuries. Under an agreement with the Transportation Department, GM admitted it was slow to inform regulators, promised to report problems faster and submitted to more in-depth government oversight of its safety operations. But lawmakers and safety advocates have also accused the traffic safety administration of having too cozy a relationship with the auto industry and for not identifying dangerous safety defects based on reports made directly to the agency by consumers and police. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Honda is $70MM worse than Toyota
I should think that the government has more information on death and injury in automobiles than the car makers do. RB On 08/01/2015 2:41 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration said Thursday it is fining Honda $70 million — the largest civil penalty levied against an automaker — for not reporting to regulators some 1,729 complaints that its vehicles caused deaths and injuries, and for not reporting warranty claims. The Japanese automaker acknowledged in November that it failed to report the death and injury complaints to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration over an 11-year period beginning in 2003. The company admitted it learned of the omissions in 2011 but had waited three years to take action. Honda also failed to report certain warranty claims and claims under customer satisfaction campaigns throughout the same period, federal officials said. The safety administration is imposing twin fines: $35 million for not reporting the death and injury complaints, and another $35 million for not reporting the warranty and customer satisfaction claims. Both fines are the maximums the agency is legally allowed to impose. Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx said the fines reflect the government's determination to take a tough stance against automakers who withhold safety information from regulators. What we cannot tolerate and will not tolerate is an automaker failing to report to us any recall issues, Foxx said. The Honda complaints include incidents related to air bags made by Japanese auto supplier Takata Corp., as well as other defective parts. Honda has recalled more than 5 million vehicles in the U.S. since 2008 to fix a potentially fatal defect in Takata-made air bags. The air bag inflators can rupture after a crash and injure occupants with shards of metal. Honda has agreed to pay the fines under a consent order it signed with the traffic safety administration on Dec. 29, federal officials said. But officials said they have not yet received all the complaints from Honda and therefore don't have a tally of how many deaths and injuries are involved. We have resolved this matter and will move forward to build on the important actions Honda has already taken to address our past shortcomings in early warning reporting, Rick Schostek, executive vice president of Honda North America Inc., said in a statement. The company blamed the omissions on errors related to data entry, computer coding, regulatory interpretation, and other errors in warranty and property damage claims reporting. Foxx said information about Honda's failure to disclose the complaints also has been forwarded to the Justice Department. The Center for Auto Safety, a consumer watchdog group, called for a criminal investigation of Honda after the company's failure to disclose the complaints became public. Clarence Ditlow, executive director of the center, said $70 million is too small a penalty considering that incidents involving Takata air bags are among the complaints not reported. How many other deadly defects are concealed in the 1,729 death and injury claims not reported by Honda? he asked. The company must waive all statutes of limitations at the state and federal level over potential recalls or lawsuits arising out of defects concealed in the unreported claims. Federal law requires automakers to submit death and injury complaints to regulators as part of an early warning system for identifying potential safety defects that can lead to a recall. The fine against Honda caps a tumultuous year for automakers and federal regulators. Including the fine against Honda, the traffic safety administration imposed $126 million in fines against automakers in 2014, more than all the fines in the agency's previous 43 years. In May, the traffic safety administration levied the first maximum $35 million fine in its history against General Motors for taking more than a decade to disclose an ignition-switch defect in millions of cars that has been linked to at least 42 deaths and 58 injuries. Under an agreement with the Transportation Department, GM admitted it was slow to inform regulators, promised to report problems faster and submitted to more in-depth government oversight of its safety operations. But lawmakers and safety advocates have also accused the traffic safety administration of having too cozy a relationship with the auto industry and for not identifying dangerous safety defects based on reports made directly to the agency by consumers and police. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the
Re: [MBZ] OT: Honda is $70MM worse than Toyota
Transportation Secretary Anthony vincinte Foxx said the fines reflect the government's determination to take a tough stance against automakers who withhold safety information from regulators...(unless they pad our pockets as well as toada.) WASHINGTON (AP) - The Obama administration said Thursday it is fining Honda $70 million - the largest civil penalty levied against an automaker - for not reporting to regulators some 1,729 complaints that its vehicles caused deaths and injuries, and for not reporting warranty claims. The Japanese automaker acknowledged in November that it failed to report the death and injury complaints to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration over an 11-year period beginning in 2003. The company admitted it learned of the omissions in 2011 but had waited three years to take action. Honda also failed to report certain warranty claims and claims under customer satisfaction campaigns throughout the same period, federal officials said. The safety administration is imposing twin fines: $35 million for not reporting the death and injury complaints, and another $35 million for not reporting the warranty and customer satisfaction claims. Both fines are the maximums the agency is legally allowed to impose. Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx said the fines reflect the government's determination to take a tough stance against automakers who withhold safety information from regulators. What we cannot tolerate and will not tolerate is an automaker failing to report to us any recall issues, Foxx said. The Honda complaints include incidents related to air bags made by Japanese auto supplier Takata Corp., as well as other defective parts. Honda has recalled more than 5 million vehicles in the U.S. since 2008 to fix a potentially fatal defect in Takata-made air bags. The air bag inflators can rupture after a crash and injure occupants with shards of metal. Honda has agreed to pay the fines under a consent order it signed with the traffic safety administration on Dec. 29, federal officials said. But officials said they have not yet received all the complaints from Honda and therefore don't have a tally of how many deaths and injuries are involved. We have resolved this matter and will move forward to build on the important actions Honda has already taken to address our past shortcomings in early warning reporting, Rick Schostek, executive vice president of Honda North America Inc., said in a statement. The company blamed the omissions on errors related to data entry, computer coding, regulatory interpretation, and other errors in warranty and property damage claims reporting. Foxx said information about Honda's failure to disclose the complaints also has been forwarded to the Justice Department. The Center for Auto Safety, a consumer watchdog group, called for a criminal investigation of Honda after the company's failure to disclose the complaints became public. Clarence Ditlow, executive director of the center, said $70 million is too small a penalty considering that incidents involving Takata air bags are among the complaints not reported. How many other deadly defects are concealed in the 1,729 death and injury claims not reported by Honda? he asked. The company must waive all statutes of limitations at the state and federal level over potential recalls or lawsuits arising out of defects concealed in the unreported claims. Federal law requires automakers to submit death and injury complaints to regulators as part of an early warning system for identifying potential safety defects that can lead to a recall. The fine against Honda caps a tumultuous year for automakers and federal regulators. Including the fine against Honda, the traffic safety administration imposed $126 million in fines against automakers in 2014, more than all the fines in the agency's previous 43 years. In May, the traffic safety administration levied the first maximum $35 million fine in its history against General Motors for taking more than a decade to disclose an ignition-switch defect in millions of cars that has been linked to at least 42 deaths and 58 injuries. Under an agreement with the Transportation Department, GM admitted it was slow to inform regulators, promised to report problems faster and submitted to more in-depth government oversight of its safety operations. But lawmakers and safety advocates have also accused the traffic safety administration of having too cozy a relationship with the auto industry and for not identifying dangerous safety defects based on reports made directly to the agency by consumers and police. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the
Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio
Right on. Physicists are notorious idiots, whereas it's very hard to find a Geologist who meet the criteria. Geologists have rocks in their heads ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio
Agree! Who *meets *the criteria. On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Original Message From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 1:12 PM To: Dan Penoff; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio Right on. Physicists are notorious idiots, whereas it's very hard to find a Geologist who meet the criteria. But their heads are hard as rocks? Rick Tongue planted firmly in cheek ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
