Re: [MBZ] Car for poosy
What would be the number for an LWB model? 600? I can check the Indy where you looked at one previously if you like. Gerry Dan wrote: No thanks. I want a long wheelbase model. Interested in a white 560 SEL? Not showroom, but mechanically sound. needs martha to be up to your standards. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4284/9104 - Release Date: 02/13/15 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Car for poosy
Maybe. Tell me more. Dan On Feb 12, 2015, at 10:02 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: No thanks. I want a long wheelbase model. Dan Interested in a white 560 SEL? Not showroom, but mechanically sound. needs martha to be up to your standards. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Car for poosy
Any W140 chassis is a long wheelbase. A W126 chassis would be badged as an SEL to be a long wheelbase. The early W140s had this designation as well. Thanks, Dan On Feb 13, 2015, at 4:49 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What would be the number for an LWB model? 600? I can check the Indy where you looked at one previously if you like. Gerry Dan wrote: No thanks. I want a long wheelbase model. Interested in a white 560 SEL? Not showroom, but mechanically sound. needs martha to be up to your standards. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com/ Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4284/9104 - Release Date: 02/13/15 -- arche...@embarqmail.com mailto:arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com mailto:arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] No More AMEX @ Costco
Loks like AMEX and Costco are splitting up. No more credit cards at Costco. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in Boston?
Paul Homewood, who, on his Notalotofpeopleknowthat blog, had checked the published temperature graphs for three weather stations in Paraguay against the temperatures that had originally been recorded. In each instance, the actual trend of 60 years of data had been dramatically reversed, so that a cooling trend was changed to one that showed a marked warming. This was only the latest of many examples of a practice long recognised by expert observers around the world – one that raises an ever larger question mark over the entire official surface-temperature record. Homewood checked a swathe of other South American weather stations around the original three. In each case he found the same suspicious one-way “adjustments”. First these were made by the US government’s Global Historical Climate Network (GHCN). They were then amplified by two of the main official surface records, the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (Giss) and the National Climate Data Center (NCDC), which use the warming trends to estimate temperatures across the vast regions of the Earth where no measurements are taken. Yet these are the very records on which scientists and politicians rely for their belief in “global warming”. Homewood has now turned his attention to the weather stations across much of the Arctic, between Canada (51 degrees W) and the heart of Siberia (87 degrees E). Again, in nearly every case, the same one-way adjustments have been made, to show warming up to 1 degree C or more higher than was indicated by the data that was actually recorded. This has surprised no one more than Traust Jonsson, who was long in charge of climate research for the Iceland met office (and with whom Homewood has been in touch). Jonsson was amazed to see how the new version completely “disappears” Iceland’s “sea ice years” around 1970, when a period of extreme cooling almost devastated his country’s economy. One of the first examples of these “adjustments” was exposed in 2007 by the statistician Steve McIntyre, when he discovered a paper published in 1987 by James Hansen, the scientist (later turned fanatical climate activist) who for many years ran Giss. Hansen’s original graph showed temperatures in the Arctic as having been much higher around 1940 than at any time since. But as Homewood reveals in his blog post, “Temperature adjustments transform Arctic history”, Giss has turned this upside down. Arctic temperatures from that time have been lowered so much that that they are now dwarfed by those of the past 20 years. Homewood’s interest in the Arctic is partly because the “vanishing” of its polar ice (and the polar bears) has become such a poster-child for those trying to persuade us that we are threatened by runaway warming. But he chose that particular stretch of the Arctic because it is where ice is affected by warmer water brought in by cyclical shifts in a major Atlantic current – this last peaked at just the time 75 years ago when Arctic ice retreated even further than it has done recently. The ice-melt is not caused by rising global temperatures at all. Of much more serious significance, however, is the way this wholesale manipulation of the official temperature record – for reasons GHCN and Giss have never plausibly explained – has become the real elephant in the room of the greatest and most costly scare the world has known. This really does begin to look like one of the greatest scientific scandals of all time. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/globalwarming/11395516/The-fiddling-with-temperature-data-is-the-biggest-science-scandal-ever.html Gerry ... rogerhga--- wrote: I'll add a simple tidbit to this discussion. When I was in school many decades ago, the prevailing scientific view was that the Earth was still coming out of the last ice age and would be for many more centuries. Now, these scientists had no money making, vested interest in what the warming state was. Personally, from the weather I've seen in my lifetime, I still agree with those scientists that the Earth is still coming out of the last ice age and will continue to warm. It could be worse and we could be going back into our next ice age cycle. Although, if Washington DC were covered with a glacier and the federal government couldn't wreak havoc on our lives, that might not be a bad thing. Sorry Andrew, you'd have to move to a warmer, more conservative part of the country or world. Like everyone else, this is just my opinion, no more valuable or less valuable than anyone else's. Best Wishes, Roger Hale ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible
Re: [MBZ] OT: Friday Funny, or Whatever it Takes!!!
Get with the plan, guys: http://notoriousrbg.tumblr.com Dan, closet RBG fan Sent from my iPad On Feb 13, 2015, at 9:34 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Neither was I, and I didn't even watch it or play http://lonelyconservative.com/2014/01/heres-the-2014-state-of-the-union-drinking-game/ --R On 2/13/15 9:21 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: This woman's reputation has just moved up a couple notches in my opinon: Justice Ginsburg: ‘I Wasn’t 100 Percent Sober’ For State Of The Union Address http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/02/13/ginsburg-i-wasnt-100-percent-sober-for-state-of-the-union-address/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Best oil trader says oil prices may plunge some more
We need it like a hole in the head. Canada needs it to get their tar sands oil to world markets. Recovering that oil requires huge amounts of greenhouse gas emitting energy to sweat it out of the matrix. Obama will veto the legislation but even if he didn't, there are also sticky legal issues in Nebraska state courts regarding authority by a foreign entity to exert eminent domain to cross private lands. On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: clay wrote: Keystone will not die... Keystone seems to be a strange animal with low oil prices. Why do we need a new pipeline? They said our reserves onhand are higher than we have seen in years. I heard that Goldman suggested $20/barrel oil. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] No More AMEX @ Costco
Yes, other than debit cards. It isn't clear when/if they will refse to accept AMEX cards... On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So they only accept Amex no other cards? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 13, 2015, at 8:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://www.wsj.com/articles/american-express-to-lose-costco-exclusivity-1423746408 Sent from my iPad On Feb 13, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Please send a link. This is TERRIBLE news. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 8:06 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: No credit cards at all or just no Amex? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 13, 2015, at 5:31 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Loks like AMEX and Costco are splitting up. No more credit cards at Costco. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] No More AMEX @ Costco
Please send a link. This is TERRIBLE news. It was on PBS TV last night. Makes no difference to me. I've never set foot in one. No need to buy cases of anything ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in Boston?
Andrew, The article that I think Curt posted several days ago about experiencing relentless inundation of coastal areas, such as Miami (your words) included a key bit of information that perhaps you missed. When the everglades were drained, the elevation in the area dropped by seven feet. The same article didn't give any data about how much the seas have risen. Drawing the conclusion that Miami is suffering salt water contamination because of global warming defies common sense. Drained everglades = the land sunk seven feet. That's their problem! A little observation, knowledge, and critical thinking go a long way. You were trained as a geologist I believe. I suspect that if you applied some research and critical thinking to the recent geological history of NYC and Boston, you would find there are other documented factors that explain any observed seas rising phenomena. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On February 13, 2015 9:58:27 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So if the polar ice cap isn't melting, what do you think has caused the worldwide rise in sea level? The relentless inundation of coastal areas, such as Miami, NYC, Boston and other low lying metropoli? Trick photography? Conspiracy by the renewable energy cartel? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] No More AMEX @ Costco
No credit cards at all or just no Amex? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 13, 2015, at 5:31 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Loks like AMEX and Costco are splitting up. No more credit cards at Costco. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Baseball
That's OK - I got my fix and will move on now. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 12:32 AM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Why would you want to talk about men playing a boy's game? Surely you have a Benz to polish or something else to do with your time . . . On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Andrew sez: Boring. Can we please talk baseball instead? OK Who id the best baseball plyer of all time, without steroids? -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in Boston?
Whats causing glaciers to recede? Even if temperature data is being faked the pictures of big lakes where there used to be glaciers doesn't lie.. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in Boston? So if the polar ice cap isn't melting, what do you think has caused the worldwide rise in sea level? The relentless inundation of coastal areas, such as Miami, NYC, Boston and other low lying metropoli? Trick photography? Conspiracy by the renewable energy cartel? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT Drones
To control drones in the neighborhood, designate them as skeet? YMMV Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Best oil trader says oil prices may plunge some more
Canadians are going to produce the tar sands either way, and it will be exported. The pipeline would benefit American business/jobs. Pipelines are much safer than moving the oil by railroad, which is being done now and will continue, though if the pipeline were built Warren Buffett (FOO) would not be happy. The greenie resistance is marginally reasonable absent other factors, but not so much in the context of the whole picture. ---R On 2/13/15 9:45 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: We need it like a hole in the head. Canada needs it to get their tar sands oil to world markets. Recovering that oil requires huge amounts of greenhouse gas emitting energy to sweat it out of the matrix. Obama will veto the legislation but even if he didn't, there are also sticky legal issues in Nebraska state courts regarding authority by a foreign entity to exert eminent domain to cross private lands. On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: clay wrote: Keystone will not die... Keystone seems to be a strange animal with low oil prices. Why do we need a new pipeline? They said our reserves onhand are higher than we have seen in years. I heard that Goldman suggested $20/barrel oil. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Where to dump the snow in Boston? Same place as British tea!
Theier links are what you should be reading, once you pull your head out of the sand. On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 9:37 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Well, I didn't actually *see* them write a check but... Plenty of citations here - take your pick. http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/campaigns/global-warming- and-energy/polluterwatch/koch-industries/ Yeah, greenpeace. Absolutely reliable source run by fine upstanding folks. Young people who truly want to save the world! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Best oil trader says oil prices may plunge some more
Canada will sell it's oil.. EH. Either it will pipeline it to the USA gulf coast refinery, and create American jobs, or it will build a pipeline to Canadian west coast and sell the crude to China. Which China wants very badly. The oil that would come via Keystone pipeline, to USA, would likely be sold in part to China as well, but it's likely to then have some influence on the balance of trade re USA/China debt holdings. Just how that would play out is above my pay grade, but I will lay bets the back rooms of congress are smoke filled with people figuring how to play that game. You can't have to much energy You can't be to thin or to rich... seem to be universal truths. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 8:09 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Canadians are going to produce the tar sands either way, and it will be exported. The pipeline would benefit American business/jobs. Pipelines are much safer than moving the oil by railroad, which is being done now and will continue, though if the pipeline were built Warren Buffett (FOO) would not be happy. The greenie resistance is marginally reasonable absent other factors, but not so much in the context of the whole picture. ---R On 2/13/15 9:45 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: We need it like a hole in the head. Canada needs it to get their tar sands oil to world markets. Recovering that oil requires huge amounts of greenhouse gas emitting energy to sweat it out of the matrix. Obama will veto the legislation but even if he didn't, there are also sticky legal issues in Nebraska state courts regarding authority by a foreign entity to exert eminent domain to cross private lands. On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: clay wrote: Keystone will not die... Keystone seems to be a strange animal with low oil prices. Why do we need a new pipeline? They said our reserves onhand are higher than we have seen in years. I heard that Goldman suggested $20/barrel oil. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Where to dump the snow in Boston?
Why would I want to live in a place where people don't know the difference between climate and weather? On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:03 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'll add a simple tidbit to this discussion. When I was in school many decades ago, the prevailing scientific view was that the Earth was still coming out of the last ice age and would be for many more centuries. Now, these scientists had no money making, vested interest in what the warming state was. Personally, from the weather I've seen in my lifetime, I still agree with those scientists that the Earth is still coming out of the last ice age and will continue to warm. It could be worse and we could be going back into our next ice age cycle. Although, if Washington DC were covered with a glacier and the federal government couldn't wreak havoc on our lives, that might not be a bad thing. Sorry Andrew, you'd have to move to a warmer, more conservative part of the country or world. Like everyone else, this is just my opinion, no more valuable or less valuable than anyone else's. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in Boston?
Curt, you just don't get it. The same folks who faked the lunar landing photos have figured out a way to make it appear that the ice caps are melting and glaciers are receding. They are being funded by latte-guzzling liberals who want you to drive a Prius. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Whats causing glaciers to recede? Even if temperature data is being faked the pictures of big lakes where there used to be glaciers doesn't lie.. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in Boston? So if the polar ice cap isn't melting, what do you think has caused the worldwide rise in sea level? The relentless inundation of coastal areas, such as Miami, NYC, Boston and other low lying metropoli? Trick photography? Conspiracy by the renewable energy cartel? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Car for poosy
No not any 140 is lwb, there are plenty of San Sent from my iPhone On Feb 13, 2015, at 4:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Any W140 chassis is a long wheelbase. A W126 chassis would be badged as an SEL to be a long wheelbase. The early W140s had this designation as well. Thanks, Dan On Feb 13, 2015, at 4:49 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What would be the number for an LWB model? 600? I can check the Indy where you looked at one previously if you like. Gerry Dan wrote: No thanks. I want a long wheelbase model. Interested in a white 560 SEL? Not showroom, but mechanically sound. needs martha to be up to your standards. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com/ Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4284/9104 - Release Date: 02/13/15 -- arche...@embarqmail.com mailto:arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com mailto:arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] No More AMEX @ Costco
http://www.wsj.com/articles/american-express-to-lose-costco-exclusivity-1423746408 Sent from my iPad On Feb 13, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Please send a link. This is TERRIBLE news. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 8:06 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: No credit cards at all or just no Amex? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 13, 2015, at 5:31 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Loks like AMEX and Costco are splitting up. No more credit cards at Costco. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Rising fuel prices
So where does Curly hang out - a place 100 percent free of Californaians and New Yorkers? On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Max sez: Ha ha ha ha. Ya'll should move down here, enjoy our global warming and low taxes, abundant jobs. Just leave all the commie-government ideas up there... sure, just like the ones who escaped kollyffornya then turned WA in the the PR of Wa. And before that, newyorkers escaped to FL, then tried to turn it into a socialist utopia. That didn't work out so well either. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Friday Funny, or Whatever it Takes!!!
Neither was I, and I didn't even watch it or play http://lonelyconservative.com/2014/01/heres-the-2014-state-of-the-union-drinking-game/ --R On 2/13/15 9:21 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: This woman's reputation has just moved up a couple notches in my opinon: Justice Ginsburg: ‘I Wasn’t 100 Percent Sober’ For State Of The Union Address http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/02/13/ginsburg-i-wasnt-100-percent-sober-for-state-of-the-union-address/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] No More AMEX @ Costco
So they only accept Amex no other cards? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 13, 2015, at 8:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://www.wsj.com/articles/american-express-to-lose-costco-exclusivity-1423746408 Sent from my iPad On Feb 13, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Please send a link. This is TERRIBLE news. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 8:06 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: No credit cards at all or just no Amex? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 13, 2015, at 5:31 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Loks like AMEX and Costco are splitting up. No more credit cards at Costco. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT OGW: Creating a drone 'no fly zone' over your home
Remarkable. This is something that could garner bipartisan support. On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: In case anyone is interested. Craig http://video.foxnews.com/v/4049474131001/creating-a-drone-no-fly-zone-over-your-home/?#sp=show-clips https://www.noflyzone.org/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT: Friday Funny, or Whatever it Takes!!!
This woman's reputation has just moved up a couple notches in my opinon: Justice Ginsburg: ‘I Wasn’t 100 Percent Sober’ For State Of The Union Address http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/02/13/ginsburg-i-wasnt-100-percent-sober-for-state-of-the-union-address/ -- - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] No More AMEX @ Costco
Please send a link. This is TERRIBLE news. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 8:06 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: No credit cards at all or just no Amex? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 13, 2015, at 5:31 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Loks like AMEX and Costco are splitting up. No more credit cards at Costco. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in Boston?
So if the polar ice cap isn't melting, what do you think has caused the worldwide rise in sea level? The relentless inundation of coastal areas, such as Miami, NYC, Boston and other low lying metropoli? Trick photography? Conspiracy by the renewable energy cartel? On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 5:17 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Paul Homewood, who, on his Notalotofpeopleknowthat blog, had checked the published temperature graphs for three weather stations in Paraguay against the temperatures that had originally been recorded. In each instance, the actual trend of 60 years of data had been dramatically reversed, so that a cooling trend was changed to one that showed a marked warming. This was only the latest of many examples of a practice long recognised by expert observers around the world – one that raises an ever larger question mark over the entire official surface-temperature record. Homewood checked a swathe of other South American weather stations around the original three. In each case he found the same suspicious one-way “adjustments”. First these were made by the US government’s Global Historical Climate Network (GHCN). They were then amplified by two of the main official surface records, the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (Giss) and the National Climate Data Center (NCDC), which use the warming trends to estimate temperatures across the vast regions of the Earth where no measurements are taken. Yet these are the very records on which scientists and politicians rely for their belief in “global warming”. Homewood has now turned his attention to the weather stations across much of the Arctic, between Canada (51 degrees W) and the heart of Siberia (87 degrees E). Again, in nearly every case, the same one-way adjustments have been made, to show warming up to 1 degree C or more higher than was indicated by the data that was actually recorded. This has surprised no one more than Traust Jonsson, who was long in charge of climate research for the Iceland met office (and with whom Homewood has been in touch). Jonsson was amazed to see how the new version completely “disappears” Iceland’s “sea ice years” around 1970, when a period of extreme cooling almost devastated his country’s economy. One of the first examples of these “adjustments” was exposed in 2007 by the statistician Steve McIntyre, when he discovered a paper published in 1987 by James Hansen, the scientist (later turned fanatical climate activist) who for many years ran Giss. Hansen’s original graph showed temperatures in the Arctic as having been much higher around 1940 than at any time since. But as Homewood reveals in his blog post, “Temperature adjustments transform Arctic history”, Giss has turned this upside down. Arctic temperatures from that time have been lowered so much that that they are now dwarfed by those of the past 20 years. Homewood’s interest in the Arctic is partly because the “vanishing” of its polar ice (and the polar bears) has become such a poster-child for those trying to persuade us that we are threatened by runaway warming. But he chose that particular stretch of the Arctic because it is where ice is affected by warmer water brought in by cyclical shifts in a major Atlantic current – this last peaked at just the time 75 years ago when Arctic ice retreated even further than it has done recently. The ice-melt is not caused by rising global temperatures at all. Of much more serious significance, however, is the way this wholesale manipulation of the official temperature record – for reasons GHCN and Giss have never plausibly explained – has become the real elephant in the room of the greatest and most costly scare the world has known. This really does begin to look like one of the greatest scientific scandals of all time. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/globalwarming/11395516/The-fiddling-with-temperature-data-is-the-biggest-science-scandal-ever.html Gerry ... rogerhga--- wrote: I'll add a simple tidbit to this discussion. When I was in school many decades ago, the prevailing scientific view was that the Earth was still coming out of the last ice age and would be for many more centuries. Now, these scientists had no money making, vested interest in what the warming state was. Personally, from the weather I've seen in my lifetime, I still agree with those scientists that the Earth is still coming out of the last ice age and will continue to warm. It could be worse and we could be going back into our next ice age cycle. Although, if Washington DC were covered with a glacier and the federal government couldn't wreak havoc on our lives, that might not be a bad thing. Sorry Andrew, you'd have to move to a warmer, more conservative part of the country or world. Like everyone else, this is just my opinion, no more valuable or less valuable than anyone else's. Best
Re: [MBZ] Best oil trader says oil prices may plunge some more
I don't see how this would benefit jobs. The number of permanent jobs it would create after construction is complete is less than 100, and that's been clearly documented. The oil would basically transport over the pipeline then go offshore. Not sure how much benefit that would be for us. I agree with the safety aspect, but why couldn't they just pipeline it to BC and ship it out from there? Dan Sent from my iPad On Feb 13, 2015, at 10:09 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Canadians are going to produce the tar sands either way, and it will be exported. The pipeline would benefit American business/jobs. Pipelines are much safer than moving the oil by railroad, which is being done now and will continue, though if the pipeline were built Warren Buffett (FOO) would not be happy. The greenie resistance is marginally reasonable absent other factors, but not so much in the context of the whole picture. ---R On 2/13/15 9:45 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: We need it like a hole in the head. Canada needs it to get their tar sands oil to world markets. Recovering that oil requires huge amounts of greenhouse gas emitting energy to sweat it out of the matrix. Obama will veto the legislation but even if he didn't, there are also sticky legal issues in Nebraska state courts regarding authority by a foreign entity to exert eminent domain to cross private lands. On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: clay wrote: Keystone will not die... Keystone seems to be a strange animal with low oil prices. Why do we need a new pipeline? They said our reserves onhand are higher than we have seen in years. I heard that Goldman suggested $20/barrel oil. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Best oil trader says oil prices may plunge some more
The whole argument about the tar sands oil being produced anyway is moot since oil prices have plunged. The only economical way to ship the gooey crude is via pipeline. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I don't see how this would benefit jobs. The number of permanent jobs it would create after construction is complete is less than 100, and that's been clearly documented. The oil would basically transport over the pipeline then go offshore. Not sure how much benefit that would be for us. I agree with the safety aspect, but why couldn't they just pipeline it to BC and ship it out from there? Dan Sent from my iPad On Feb 13, 2015, at 10:09 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Canadians are going to produce the tar sands either way, and it will be exported. The pipeline would benefit American business/jobs. Pipelines are much safer than moving the oil by railroad, which is being done now and will continue, though if the pipeline were built Warren Buffett (FOO) would not be happy. The greenie resistance is marginally reasonable absent other factors, but not so much in the context of the whole picture. ---R On 2/13/15 9:45 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: We need it like a hole in the head. Canada needs it to get their tar sands oil to world markets. Recovering that oil requires huge amounts of greenhouse gas emitting energy to sweat it out of the matrix. Obama will veto the legislation but even if he didn't, there are also sticky legal issues in Nebraska state courts regarding authority by a foreign entity to exert eminent domain to cross private lands. On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: clay wrote: Keystone will not die... Keystone seems to be a strange animal with low oil prices. Why do we need a new pipeline? They said our reserves onhand are higher than we have seen in years. I heard that Goldman suggested $20/barrel oil. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in Boston?
Meade, the only phenomenon that accounts for such disparate placess as Pacific islands, NYC, Boston, Miami and other coastal cities sinking into the sea is a rise in sea level. Are you seriously doubting that there is such a rise in sea level? On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Curt, you just don't get it. The same folks who faked the lunar landing photos have figured out a way to make it appear that the ice caps are melting and glaciers are receding. They are being funded by latte-guzzling liberals who want you to drive a Prius. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Whats causing glaciers to recede? Even if temperature data is being faked the pictures of big lakes where there used to be glaciers doesn't lie.. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in Boston? So if the polar ice cap isn't melting, what do you think has caused the worldwide rise in sea level? The relentless inundation of coastal areas, such as Miami, NYC, Boston and other low lying metropoli? Trick photography? Conspiracy by the renewable energy cartel? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Best oil trader says oil prices may plunge some more
I don't think there are big problems with expanding in TX, for chemicals anyway. Freeport area has the largest chemical plant in the world, and the beach down there, right next to it, is very nice. I seem to recall some issues with the economics of refining fuels, not sure about the enviro aspect. --R On 2/13/15 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: To give rise to new jobs wouldn't those refineries have to be expanded? Don't they always complain that expansion is basically impossible under enviro laws? If the same places are refining the same amount of oil just that the oil comes from a different source then thats no growth... -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedesmercedes@okiebenz.com To:mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best oil trader says oil prices may plunge some more I believe (though I could be wrong) that most of it would be refined into chemicals/fuels on the TX coast where the big refineries and chemical plants are, thus adding value and jobs and all that. It would not be exported as is. I htink the stuff that is now being railroaded is being refined on the east coast of Canada and US, some for export as fuels. The pipeline itself once running would not have much in the way of jobs associated with it other than general OM. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in Boston?
So in Patagonia the mountains there were under a km of ice back 10k years ago or so. Now the mountains are like 1.5km high, so the ice was 2.5km thick there (give or take). Absent paleolithic SUVs and CFPPs, what caused all that ice to melt? I have a sense that many peoples' resistance to the idea of globalwarmingclimatechangedisruption is not necessarily whether it is happening or not, but the proposed actions in regard to the idea that it is happening. Most of the proposed burden seems to be on the developed world (kinda like why you rob a bank, that's where the money is) while China and India get a pass on doing much to move to non-emitting power sources, and money would be extracted from those who have it to be given to turd-world kleptocrats for indeterminate feel-good reasons. And there is some irrational fear of nukes (and new nuke technologies) along with more advanced ideas, because spending money on those somehow offends the sensibilities of alternative energy proponents. Then there are the Obama admin debacles with Solyndra and the battery companies, and the fact that most of the solar and wind machine components are Chinese... --R (who watches sea level rise and fall a coupla times a day, every day) On 2/13/15 10:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Whats causing glaciers to recede? Even if temperature data is being faked the pictures of big lakes where there used to be glaciers doesn't lie.. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Best oil trader says oil prices may plunge some more
I like this idea: use tariffs to stabilize the price of domestic oil at $65/barrel or so. This will provide much needed income to our federal government, keep the oil price stable and at a reasonable level so that our domestic oil investment and production can continue, we can stop the subsidies to big oil as a trade-off, and take a huge jump toward energy independence. Reducing the amount of oil we buy from the Saudis and Venezuela, governments that either openly oppose us or would like to keep an energy strangle hold on us, is a good thing. This might cause world oil prices to fall, which will weaken Putin and Iran even further. http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/how-keep-our-oil-bonanza_840839.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Drones
12 gauge? Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 09:33:30 -0600 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Drones From: mercedes@okiebenz.com To control drones in the neighborhood, designate them as skeet? YMMV Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com An RC F4 (or take your pick) oughta be able to control them. More retro types could use a RC stearman trailing a strand of yarn to tangle their rotors. That would quickly shut down the bumblebee noise. What about EMP to take em down? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in Boston?
The whole area where we lived in Houston had sunk by 9ft (it might have been more, I forget) over the last 75 years due to groundwater extraction. The clay soil expands when wet (which means it shrinks when it dries, which means your foundations need to be watered!). I thought that was pretty crazy! --R On 2/13/15 10:23 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Andrew, The article that I think Curt posted several days ago about experiencing relentless inundation of coastal areas, such as Miami (your words) included a key bit of information that perhaps you missed. When the everglades were drained, the elevation in the area dropped by seven feet. The same article didn't give any data about how much the seas have risen. Drawing the conclusion that Miami is suffering salt water contamination because of global warming defies common sense. Drained everglades = the land sunk seven feet. That's their problem! A little observation, knowledge, and critical thinking go a long way. You were trained as a geologist I believe. I suspect that if you applied some research and critical thinking to the recent geological history of NYC and Boston, you would find there are other documented factors that explain any observed seas rising phenomena. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in Boston?
Yeah, acid rain is a TERRIBLE example. We cleaned up emissions and the rain pH rose. We still have issues with nitrates and mercury but overall, air quality has definitely improved as a result of Clean Air Act regulations. Even the Boehner bunch acknowledge this On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Acid rain killed areas, cleaned up air quality standards have helped. That wasn't a fad but since its lessened it gets a lot less airplay, theres a new boogieman today. It is as it has always been and shall always be. -Curt From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in Boston? Andrew, So you've already done the research yourself on these areas, or are you accepting the claims by the alarmists at face value? How much have the seas risen? Do you remember the hysteria about acid rain back in the 80's? Or the Population Bomb back in the 70's? This is just the current fad. In another 10 or 20 years, they'll have thought up something else... -Max On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Meade, the only phenomenon that accounts for such disparate placess as Pacific islands, NYC, Boston, Miami and other coastal cities sinking into the sea is a rise in sea level. Are you seriously doubting that there is such a rise in sea level? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in Boston?
Andrew, So you've already done the research yourself on these areas, or are you accepting the claims by the alarmists at face value? How much have the seas risen? Do you remember the hysteria about acid rain back in the 80's? Or the Population Bomb back in the 70's? This is just the current fad. In another 10 or 20 years, they'll have thought up something else... -Max On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Meade, the only phenomenon that accounts for such disparate placess as Pacific islands, NYC, Boston, Miami and other coastal cities sinking into the sea is a rise in sea level. Are you seriously doubting that there is such a rise in sea level? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Drones
To control drones in the neighborhood, designate them as skeet? YMMV Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com An RC F4 (or take your pick) oughta be able to control them. More retro types could use a RC stearman trailing a strand of yarn to tangle their rotors. That would quickly shut down the bumblebee noise. What about EMP to take em down? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Surprising story about Massachusetts solar energy jobs
Cripes we've got solar all over the dang place. One of the really smart moves (I think anyway) is covering old landfills with 'em. Saves you having to cut the grass off the landfill and makes power, win win. Loads of people are putting panels on their houses, good incentives for it. Supposedly helping with the strain on the grid too by distributing production. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:26 AM Subject: [MBZ] OT - Surprising story about Massachusetts solar energy jobs Mass. the second-biggest employer for solar power - - - - - 0COMMENTS http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2015/02/12/massachusetts-becomes-second-biggest-employer-for-solar-power/YLSHGiMr3Mpfzv4lK5vymM/story.html#comments PRINT javascript:print(); *By Jack Newsham*GLOBE CORRESPONDENT FEBRUARY 12, 2015 Massachusetts has surpassed Arizona and New Jersey to become the nation’s second-biggest employer in the solar power industry. According to a report http://www.solarstates.org/ from the Solar Foundation, which studies and promotes the solar industry,9,400 people http://pre.thesolarfoundation.org/solarstates/massachusetts had jobs making, selling, and installing solar power systems in Massachusetts last year. The industry added 3,000 jobs from November 2013 to November 2014, the group said. “The clean energy economy in Massachusetts is thriving, spurred by the Commonwealth’s innovative spirit, a diverse clean technology industry, strong public-private partnerships, and world class academic institutions,” said Governor Charlie Baker in a statement. Arizona, the third-ranked state, had 9,200 solar jobs, according to the group’s survey of 7,600 businesses. The leader by a mile was California, where the solar power industry employs over 54,000 people. Part of that has to do with the weather. Solar panels in Massachusetts generate about half as much electricity as they do in California and Arizona, which have more sunny days. Over 300 megawatts of solar power capacity was installed in Massachusetts last year http://www.mass.gov/eea/docs/doer/renewables/installed-solar.pdf, bringing the cumulative total to 752 megawatts, according to the Department of Energy Resources. In 2013, Governor Deval Patrick set a goal of installing 1,600 megawatts of solar power capacity in Massachusetts by 2020. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Best oil trader says oil prices may plunge some more
To give rise to new jobs wouldn't those refineries have to be expanded? Don't they always complain that expansion is basically impossible under enviro laws? If the same places are refining the same amount of oil just that the oil comes from a different source then thats no growth... -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best oil trader says oil prices may plunge some more I believe (though I could be wrong) that most of it would be refined into chemicals/fuels on the TX coast where the big refineries and chemical plants are, thus adding value and jobs and all that. It would not be exported as is. I htink the stuff that is now being railroaded is being refined on the east coast of Canada and US, some for export as fuels. The pipeline itself once running would not have much in the way of jobs associated with it other than general OM. --R On 2/13/15 10:19 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I don't see how this would benefit jobs. The number of permanent jobs it would create after construction is complete is less than 100, and that's been clearly documented. The oil would basically transport over the pipeline then go offshore. Not sure how much benefit that would be for us. I agree with the safety aspect, but why couldn't they just pipeline it to BC and ship it out from there? Dan Sent from my iPad On Feb 13, 2015, at 10:09 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Canadians are going to produce the tar sands either way, and it will be exported. The pipeline would benefit American business/jobs. Pipelines are much safer than moving the oil by railroad, which is being done now and will continue, though if the pipeline were built Warren Buffett (FOO) would not be happy. The greenie resistance is marginally reasonable absent other factors, but not so much in the context of the whole picture. ---R On 2/13/15 9:45 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: We need it like a hole in the head. Canada needs it to get their tar sands oil to world markets. Recovering that oil requires huge amounts of greenhouse gas emitting energy to sweat it out of the matrix. Obama will veto the legislation but even if he didn't, there are also sticky legal issues in Nebraska state courts regarding authority by a foreign entity to exert eminent domain to cross private lands. On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: clay wrote: Keystone will not die... Keystone seems to be a strange animal with low oil prices. Why do we need a new pipeline? They said our reserves onhand are higher than we have seen in years. I heard that Goldman suggested $20/barrel oil. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT - Surprising story about Massachusetts solar energy jobs
Mass. the second-biggest employer for solar power - - - - - 0COMMENTS http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2015/02/12/massachusetts-becomes-second-biggest-employer-for-solar-power/YLSHGiMr3Mpfzv4lK5vymM/story.html#comments PRINT javascript:print(); *By Jack Newsham*GLOBE CORRESPONDENT FEBRUARY 12, 2015 Massachusetts has surpassed Arizona and New Jersey to become the nation’s second-biggest employer in the solar power industry. According to a report http://www.solarstates.org/ from the Solar Foundation, which studies and promotes the solar industry,9,400 people http://pre.thesolarfoundation.org/solarstates/massachusetts had jobs making, selling, and installing solar power systems in Massachusetts last year. The industry added 3,000 jobs from November 2013 to November 2014, the group said. “The clean energy economy in Massachusetts is thriving, spurred by the Commonwealth’s innovative spirit, a diverse clean technology industry, strong public-private partnerships, and world class academic institutions,” said Governor Charlie Baker in a statement. Arizona, the third-ranked state, had 9,200 solar jobs, according to the group’s survey of 7,600 businesses. The leader by a mile was California, where the solar power industry employs over 54,000 people. Part of that has to do with the weather. Solar panels in Massachusetts generate about half as much electricity as they do in California and Arizona, which have more sunny days. Over 300 megawatts of solar power capacity was installed in Massachusetts last year http://www.mass.gov/eea/docs/doer/renewables/installed-solar.pdf, bringing the cumulative total to 752 megawatts, according to the Department of Energy Resources. In 2013, Governor Deval Patrick set a goal of installing 1,600 megawatts of solar power capacity in Massachusetts by 2020. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in Boston?
Yeahbut, they drained the Everglades decades ago... Regardless living in such a low area is clearly not a smart idea... -Curt From: Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in Boston? Andrew, The article that I think Curt posted several days ago about experiencing relentless inundation of coastal areas, such as Miami (your words) included a key bit of information that perhaps you missed. When the everglades were drained, the elevation in the area dropped by seven feet. The same article didn't give any data about how much the seas have risen. Drawing the conclusion that Miami is suffering salt water contamination because of global warming defies common sense. Drained everglades = the land sunk seven feet. That's their problem! A little observation, knowledge, and critical thinking go a long way. You were trained as a geologist I believe. I suspect that if you applied some research and critical thinking to the recent geological history of NYC and Boston, you would find there are other documented factors that explain any observed seas rising phenomena. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On February 13, 2015 9:58:27 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So if the polar ice cap isn't melting, what do you think has caused the worldwide rise in sea level? The relentless inundation of coastal areas, such as Miami, NYC, Boston and other low lying metropoli? Trick photography? Conspiracy by the renewable energy cartel? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in Boston?
Where I used to live in Italy (just north of Naples), the ground elevation could change by 5 or 10 feet in a matter of months, due to the volcanic activity so close to the surface. Our command had to have a Continuity of Operations Plan to relocate in the event of a volcanic eruption. The earth has never been static (in geology and in climate) and it never will be. This is just the way it is. Man will adapt and survive, as he has done so for millenia... On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The whole area where we lived in Houston had sunk by 9ft (it might have been more, I forget) over the last 75 years due to groundwater extraction. The clay soil expands when wet (which means it shrinks when it dries, which means your foundations need to be watered!). I thought that was pretty crazy! --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in Boston?
Where I used to live in Italy (just north of Naples), the ground elevation could change by 5 or 10 feet in a matter of months, due to the volcanic activity so close to the surface. Our command had to have a Continuity of Operations Plan to relocate in the event of a volcanic eruption. The earth has never been static (in geology and in climate) and it never will be. This is just the way it is. Man will adapt and survive, as he has done so for millenia... On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The whole area where we lived in Houston had sunk by 9ft (it might have been more, I forget) over the last 75 years due to groundwater extraction. The clay soil expands when wet (which means it shrinks when it dries, which means your foundations need to be watered!). I thought that was pretty crazy! --R Parts of FL have been sinking. THe island of Hawaii is in continual motion. Pu'u O'o has been erupting constantly for 30 years. We were just down the road the night it first lit off. Where does all that rock come from? What replaces it? FL was sinking when I was a kid.That actually IS man-made. the weight of all the yakas coming in and pumping the water out. tectonic plates are always moving. Nature is a state of motion. It is an amazing design. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Best oil trader says oil prices may plunge some more
Totally reasonable. You're beginning to sound like a Big Government loving Liberal. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I like this idea: use tariffs to stabilize the price of domestic oil at $65/barrel or so. This will provide much needed income to our federal government, keep the oil price stable and at a reasonable level so that our domestic oil investment and production can continue, we can stop the subsidies to big oil as a trade-off, and take a huge jump toward energy independence. Reducing the amount of oil we buy from the Saudis and Venezuela, governments that either openly oppose us or would like to keep an energy strangle hold on us, is a good thing. This might cause world oil prices to fall, which will weaken Putin and Iran even further. http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/how-keep-our-oil-bonanza_840839.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Drones
I love the idea of drones spying on industrial CAFO feed lots and cruise ships that are polluting like crazy into rivers and the oceans but get away with it. Go get 'em! On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: To control drones in the neighborhood, designate them as skeet? YMMV Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com An RC F4 (or take your pick) oughta be able to control them. More retro types could use a RC stearman trailing a strand of yarn to tangle their rotors. That would quickly shut down the bumblebee noise. What about EMP to take em down? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Drones
.22 with bird shot….. On Feb 13, 2015, at 11:20 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 12 gauge? Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 09:33:30 -0600 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Drones From: mercedes@okiebenz.com To control drones in the neighborhood, designate them as skeet? YMMV Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com An RC F4 (or take your pick) oughta be able to control them. More retro types could use a RC stearman trailing a strand of yarn to tangle their rotors. That would quickly shut down the bumblebee noise. What about EMP to take em down? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Best oil trader says oil prices may plunge some more
I believe (though I could be wrong) that most of it would be refined into chemicals/fuels on the TX coast where the big refineries and chemical plants are, thus adding value and jobs and all that. It would not be exported as is. I htink the stuff that is now being railroaded is being refined on the east coast of Canada and US, some for export as fuels. The pipeline itself once running would not have much in the way of jobs associated with it other than general OM. --R On 2/13/15 10:19 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I don't see how this would benefit jobs. The number of permanent jobs it would create after construction is complete is less than 100, and that's been clearly documented. The oil would basically transport over the pipeline then go offshore. Not sure how much benefit that would be for us. I agree with the safety aspect, but why couldn't they just pipeline it to BC and ship it out from there? Dan Sent from my iPad On Feb 13, 2015, at 10:09 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Canadians are going to produce the tar sands either way, and it will be exported. The pipeline would benefit American business/jobs. Pipelines are much safer than moving the oil by railroad, which is being done now and will continue, though if the pipeline were built Warren Buffett (FOO) would not be happy. The greenie resistance is marginally reasonable absent other factors, but not so much in the context of the whole picture. ---R On 2/13/15 9:45 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: We need it like a hole in the head. Canada needs it to get their tar sands oil to world markets. Recovering that oil requires huge amounts of greenhouse gas emitting energy to sweat it out of the matrix. Obama will veto the legislation but even if he didn't, there are also sticky legal issues in Nebraska state courts regarding authority by a foreign entity to exert eminent domain to cross private lands. On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: clay wrote: Keystone will not die... Keystone seems to be a strange animal with low oil prices. Why do we need a new pipeline? They said our reserves onhand are higher than we have seen in years. I heard that Goldman suggested $20/barrel oil. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Surprising story about Massachusetts solar energy jobs
Now if we could only get the lobbyists and politicians in Florida to back off on solar. They've got FPL and Duke Energy so deep in their pockets we're putting an amendment to the state constitution up in the next election so we can get around them... And they call it the Sunshine State? Dan Sent from my iPad On Feb 13, 2015, at 10:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Cripes we've got solar all over the dang place. One of the really smart moves (I think anyway) is covering old landfills with 'em. Saves you having to cut the grass off the landfill and makes power, win win. Loads of people are putting panels on their houses, good incentives for it. Supposedly helping with the strain on the grid too by distributing production. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:26 AM Subject: [MBZ] OT - Surprising story about Massachusetts solar energy jobs Mass. the second-biggest employer for solar power - - - - - 0COMMENTS http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2015/02/12/massachusetts-becomes-second-biggest-employer-for-solar-power/YLSHGiMr3Mpfzv4lK5vymM/story.html#comments PRINT javascript:print(); *By Jack Newsham*GLOBE CORRESPONDENT FEBRUARY 12, 2015 Massachusetts has surpassed Arizona and New Jersey to become the nation’s second-biggest employer in the solar power industry. According to a report http://www.solarstates.org/ from the Solar Foundation, which studies and promotes the solar industry,9,400 people http://pre.thesolarfoundation.org/solarstates/massachusetts had jobs making, selling, and installing solar power systems in Massachusetts last year. The industry added 3,000 jobs from November 2013 to November 2014, the group said. “The clean energy economy in Massachusetts is thriving, spurred by the Commonwealth’s innovative spirit, a diverse clean technology industry, strong public-private partnerships, and world class academic institutions,” said Governor Charlie Baker in a statement. Arizona, the third-ranked state, had 9,200 solar jobs, according to the group’s survey of 7,600 businesses. The leader by a mile was California, where the solar power industry employs over 54,000 people. Part of that has to do with the weather. Solar panels in Massachusetts generate about half as much electricity as they do in California and Arizona, which have more sunny days. Over 300 megawatts of solar power capacity was installed in Massachusetts last year http://www.mass.gov/eea/docs/doer/renewables/installed-solar.pdf, bringing the cumulative total t ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in Boston?
Acid rain killed areas, cleaned up air quality standards have helped. That wasn't a fad but since its lessened it gets a lot less airplay, theres a new boogieman today. It is as it has always been and shall always be. -Curt From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in Boston? Andrew, So you've already done the research yourself on these areas, or are you accepting the claims by the alarmists at face value? How much have the seas risen? Do you remember the hysteria about acid rain back in the 80's? Or the Population Bomb back in the 70's? This is just the current fad. In another 10 or 20 years, they'll have thought up something else... -Max On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Meade, the only phenomenon that accounts for such disparate placess as Pacific islands, NYC, Boston, Miami and other coastal cities sinking into the sea is a rise in sea level. Are you seriously doubting that there is such a rise in sea level? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Drones
Sadly a shotgun only has an effective range of around 30 yards so you'll only get the low flying ones... -Curt From: Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Drones 12 gauge? Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 09:33:30 -0600 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Drones From: mercedes@okiebenz.com To control drones in the neighborhood, designate them as skeet? YMMV Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com An RC F4 (or take your pick) oughta be able to control them. More retro types could use a RC stearman trailing a strand of yarn to tangle their rotors. That would quickly shut down the bumblebee noise. What about EMP to take em down? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Drones
Curt, et al.Close enough! Just need permission. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 17:01:12 + To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Drones From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sadly a shotgun only has an effective range of around 30 yards so you'll only get the low flying ones... -Curt From: Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Drones 12 gauge? Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Best oil trader says oil prices may plunge some more
A month or two should be no problem. I add 1oz Seafoam gas additive to every gallon of gas I buy for the snowmobile just in case I forget about it. The snowmobiles sit all summer, April to November at least and start in the fall although they run a lot better after the fresh gas hits the carb. Ideally you'd have a super strong tank you could suck all the air out of. I think that gas going bad is really gas oxidizing, if you could prevent that you'd be way ahead. -Curt From: Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best oil trader says oil prices may plunge some more G Mann wrote: OTOH.. it does feel comforting to fill up at the pumps and spend 1/2 what I had been. I know diesel fuel will store indefinitely, but is there any way to store gasoline for more than a month or two, without it going bad? Some of us do have room. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Best oil trader says oil prices may plunge some more
Good question. There are some materials that enhance the storage of gasoline, such as Stabil, but even that doesn't give gasoline the staying power of diesel. Gasoline is a more VOC [Volatile Organic Compound] and the Volatile components gas off in evaporation, or degrade to less volatile by re-combination to form varnish and other less volatile materials.. thus, stale gas which does not ignite well, which produces less heat energy, and isn't as desirable. Safe storage is yet another issue for gasoline. Since it is a VOC, it will emit vapors, which will ignite easily, and present a real hazard for residential storage. Gasoline in an enclosed space, with any ignition source, [ie, static electric spark, for example] is a real threat to safety. All those factors strongly influence my decision to have diesel generators and equipment at my ranch, which is remote from any fire service, and being remote, requires fuel storage. Bottom line, diesel equipment costs more, diesel cost more, safety isn't free. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: G Mann wrote: OTOH.. it does feel comforting to fill up at the pumps and spend 1/2 what I had been. I know diesel fuel will store indefinitely, but is there any way to store gasoline for more than a month or two, without it going bad? Some of us do have room. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Drones
Electronic jamming would be much more effective, and have longer range.. Likely, could cause loss of control and crash of drone.. Win/win ... for the person being targeted for illegal spying. At the moment, there is no restriction on ownership of jamming devices. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Sadly a shotgun only has an effective range of around 30 yards so you'll only get the low flying ones... -Curt From: Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Drones 12 gauge? Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 09:33:30 -0600 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Drones From: mercedes@okiebenz.com To control drones in the neighborhood, designate them as skeet? YMMV Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com An RC F4 (or take your pick) oughta be able to control them. More retro types could use a RC stearman trailing a strand of yarn to tangle their rotors. That would quickly shut down the bumblebee noise. What about EMP to take em down? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Drones
Pretty sure the ECPA, or maybe even existing FCC regs, prohibits all deliberate interference. I like the idea of RC 'hawks'. Drones are slow-moving, at least the current crop of spy-cams, so just foul them out of the air. Snap-release yarn strands sounds good. And actively discourage trespassers attempting to recover. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Best oil trader says oil prices may plunge some more
G Mann wrote: OTOH.. it does feel comforting to fill up at the pumps and spend 1/2 what I had been. I know diesel fuel will store indefinitely, but is there any way to store gasoline for more than a month or two, without it going bad? Some of us do have room. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in Boston?
Curt wrote: Whats causing glaciers to recede? Even if temperature data is being faked the pictures of big lakes where there used to be glaciers doesn't lie.. You asked... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/globalwarming/11395516/The-fiddling-with-temperature-data-is-the-biggest-science-scandal-ever.html Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Best oil trader says oil prices may plunge some more
On 13/02/2015 11:38 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Good question. There are some materials that enhance the storage of gasoline, such as Stabil, but even that doesn't give gasoline the staying power of diesel. Gasoline is a more VOC [Volatile Organic Compound] and the Volatile components gas off in evaporation, or degrade to less volatile by re-combination to form varnish and other less volatile materials.. thus, stale gas which does not ignite well, which produces less heat energy, and isn't as desirable. Safe storage is yet another issue for gasoline. Since it is a VOC, it will emit vapors, which will ignite easily, and present a real hazard for residential storage. Gasoline in an enclosed space, with any ignition source, [ie, static electric spark, for example] is a real threat to safety. All those factors strongly influence my decision to have diesel generators and equipment at my ranch, which is remote from any fire service, and being remote, requires fuel storage. Bottom line, diesel equipment costs more, diesel cost more, safety isn't free. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: G Mann wrote: OTOH.. it does feel comforting to fill up at the pumps and spend 1/2 what I had been. I know diesel fuel will store indefinitely, but is there any way to store gasoline for more than a month or two, without it going bad? Some of us do have room. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Surprising story about Massachusetts solar energy jobs
Its sad to see the energy companies be so short sighted but of course we've seen it time and time again. The car destroyed the wagon business and none of the wagon makers made the leap. TV is getting destroyed by the internet it refuses to embrace, same with newspapers although that is slowly slowly changing. Renewables are the future. We'll exist with a mix of renewable and conventional energy and the big energy companies need to get used to the idea or become shadows of their former selves. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Surprising story about Massachusetts solar energy jobs Now if we could only get the lobbyists and politicians in Florida to back off on solar. They've got FPL and Duke Energy so deep in their pockets we're putting an amendment to the state constitution up in the next election so we can get around them... And they call it the Sunshine State? Dan Sent from my iPad On Feb 13, 2015, at 10:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Cripes we've got solar all over the dang place. One of the really smart moves (I think anyway) is covering old landfills with 'em. Saves you having to cut the grass off the landfill and makes power, win win. Loads of people are putting panels on their houses, good incentives for it. Supposedly helping with the strain on the grid too by distributing production. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:26 AM Subject: [MBZ] OT - Surprising story about Massachusetts solar energy jobs Mass. the second-biggest employer for solar power - - - - - 0COMMENTS http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2015/02/12/massachusetts-becomes-second-biggest-employer-for-solar-power/YLSHGiMr3Mpfzv4lK5vymM/story.html#comments PRINT javascript:print(); *By Jack Newsham*GLOBE CORRESPONDENT FEBRUARY 12, 2015 Massachusetts has surpassed Arizona and New Jersey to become the nation’s second-biggest employer in the solar power industry. According to a report http://www.solarstates.org/ from the Solar Foundation, which studies and promotes the solar industry,9,400 people http://pre.thesolarfoundation.org/solarstates/massachusetts had jobs making, selling, and installing solar power systems in Massachusetts last year. The industry added 3,000 jobs from November 2013 to November 2014, the group said. “The clean energy economy in Massachusetts is thriving, spurred by the Commonwealth’s innovative spirit, a diverse clean technology industry, strong public-private partnerships, and world class academic institutions,” said Governor Charlie Baker in a statement. Arizona, the third-ranked state, had 9,200 solar jobs, according to the group’s survey of 7,600 businesses. The leader by a mile was California, where the solar power industry employs over 54,000 people. Part of that has to do with the weather. Solar panels in Massachusetts generate about half as much electricity as they do in California and Arizona, which have more sunny days. Over 300 megawatts of solar power capacity was installed in Massachusetts last year http://www.mass.gov/eea/docs/doer/renewables/installed-solar.pdf, bringing the cumulative total t ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Car for poosy
And me -Original Message- From: Dan Penoff [mailto:d...@penoff.com] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 4:26 AM To: Mercedes List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car for poosy Maybe. Tell me more. Dan On Feb 12, 2015, at 10:02 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: No thanks. I want a long wheelbase model. Dan Interested in a white 560 SEL? Not showroom, but mechanically sound. needs martha to be up to your standards. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Drones
I could build a little suicide drone to home in on it and smash into it. Or a big one with a net to catch it and bring it home. --R On 2/13/15 12:54 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Electronic jamming would be much more effective, and have longer range.. Likely, could cause loss of control and crash of drone.. Win/win ... for the person being targeted for illegal spying. At the moment, there is no restriction on ownership of jamming devices. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Best oil trader says oil prices may plunge some more
A very strong point in this discussion is the absolute strangle hold EPA has on all new refinery development. Quickly, as oil supply increases, we reach a production capacity limit. Just a little research will reveal that there has been no new refinery construction allowed by EPA in the past 25 years. Current refinery operations are running very old, very tired, equipment, which fails to take full advantage of newly developed, more efficient, and cleaner designs. Government intervention, via EPA, and other agencies, have the effect of limiting fuel supplies, which drive up cost to consumers. While we tend to think of single issue solutions, that doesn't work in a complex multiple issue environment. Bringing in more crude oil without increasing capacity to process it and distribute the processed product does not work.. The entire chain of production has to be considered. Personally, I don't feel the news media, congress, or the public, are looking at the entire picture. OTOH.. it does feel comforting to fill up at the pumps and spend 1/2 what I had been. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I don't think there are big problems with expanding in TX, for chemicals anyway. Freeport area has the largest chemical plant in the world, and the beach down there, right next to it, is very nice. I seem to recall some issues with the economics of refining fuels, not sure about the enviro aspect. --R On 2/13/15 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: To give rise to new jobs wouldn't those refineries have to be expanded? Don't they always complain that expansion is basically impossible under enviro laws? If the same places are refining the same amount of oil just that the oil comes from a different source then thats no growth... -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedesmercedes@okiebenz.com To:mercedes@okiebenz.comSent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best oil trader says oil prices may plunge some more I believe (though I could be wrong) that most of it would be refined into chemicals/fuels on the TX coast where the big refineries and chemical plants are, thus adding value and jobs and all that. It would not be exported as is. I htink the stuff that is now being railroaded is being refined on the east coast of Canada and US, some for export as fuels. The pipeline itself once running would not have much in the way of jobs associated with it other than general OM. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Car for poosy
I am too addicted to the visceral pleasure of driving two turbodiesel station wagons to be the least bit interested in a plain vanilla V8 gasoline engine powered sedan. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: And me -Original Message- From: Dan Penoff [mailto:d...@penoff.com] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 4:26 AM To: Mercedes List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car for poosy Maybe. Tell me more. Dan On Feb 12, 2015, at 10:02 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: No thanks. I want a long wheelbase model. Dan Interested in a white 560 SEL? Not showroom, but mechanically sound. needs martha to be up to your standards. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Drones
Hey Curt and all the other Bay Staters. I hear there is ANOTHER blizzard hitting you guys today with ANOTHER 18 of the white stuff. Do the suburbs and outlying towns hit by the snowstorms have snow melters such as the ones used in Boston? if not, with a cold wave on its way for at least another week, how are you going to survive? Grocery deliveries via drone? OTOH, the D.C. area is in a serious snow drought. If you're fed up please feel free to emigrate and broaden our tax base. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Curt, et al.Close enough! Just need permission. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 17:01:12 + To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Drones From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sadly a shotgun only has an effective range of around 30 yards so you'll only get the low flying ones... -Curt From: Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Drones 12 gauge? Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Drones
Have you ever shot ANYTHING with .22 birdshot? Its teeny and you only get like 1/8 oz. I have however the perfect rifle for .22 birdshot, a Daisy bolt action repeater my dad gave me for my 12th birthday. Its a terrible plastic gun but for some reason it patters birdshot perfectly. At 20 feet its a squirrel killing machine. The nice thing is that if you miss you don't ruin the bird feeder, put some little holes in it sure but its not ruined... -Curt From: Jon Agne via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Fred Moir fredh.s...@hotmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Drones .22 with bird shot….. On Feb 13, 2015, at 11:20 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 12 gauge? Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 09:33:30 -0600 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Drones From: mercedes@okiebenz.com To control drones in the neighborhood, designate them as skeet? YMMV Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com An RC F4 (or take your pick) oughta be able to control them. More retro types could use a RC stearman trailing a strand of yarn to tangle their rotors. That would quickly shut down the bumblebee noise. What about EMP to take em down? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Drones
All of this requires you to be watching and waiting for them. What you really need is an automatic air defense system . . . On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You could become a Falconer. RB On 13/02/2015 12:04 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: I could build a little suicide drone to home in on it and smash into it. Or a big one with a net to catch it and bring it home. --R -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Car for poosy
238hp Sent from my iPhone On Feb 13, 2015, at 1:42 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What sort of power does a 560 put out? Maybe Andrew should go and test drive a car with a modern V8? That old diesel wagon produces about 125 HP - or it did when it was new anyway. RB On 13/02/2015 12:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: I am too addicted to the visceral pleasure of driving two turbodiesel station wagons to be the least bit interested in a plain vanilla V8 gasoline engine powered sedan. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: And me -Original Message- From: Dan Penoff [mailto:d...@penoff.com] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 4:26 AM To: Mercedes List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car for poosy Maybe. Tell me more. Dan On Feb 12, 2015, at 10:02 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: No thanks. I want a long wheelbase model. Dan Interested in a white 560 SEL? Not showroom, but mechanically sound. needs martha to be up to your standards. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Drones
The farther out of the city you are the more places you have to put the snow. We're nowhere near in trouble out here in the hinterland. The only effect another foot (it won't be 18 except maybe on the north shore where Fred lives) on me is that we'll pull the edges into the center of the snowmobile trail again tonight. Normally we'd leave the edges to have snow to rebuild with later in the season but now we'll build the base as thick as possible and save the next round for later. Historically President's day marked the end of snowmobiling season, now its about the middle... -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Fred Moir fredh.s...@hotmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Drones Hey Curt and all the other Bay Staters. I hear there is ANOTHER blizzard hitting you guys today with ANOTHER 18 of the white stuff. Do the suburbs and outlying towns hit by the snowstorms have snow melters such as the ones used in Boston? if not, with a cold wave on its way for at least another week, how are you going to survive? Grocery deliveries via drone? OTOH, the D.C. area is in a serious snow drought. If you're fed up please feel free to emigrate and broaden our tax base. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Curt, et al.Close enough! Just need permission. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 17:01:12 + To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Drones From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sadly a shotgun only has an effective range of around 30 yards so you'll only get the low flying ones... -Curt From: Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Drones 12 gauge? Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Drones
You could become a Falconer. RB On 13/02/2015 12:04 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: I could build a little suicide drone to home in on it and smash into it. Or a big one with a net to catch it and bring it home. --R On 2/13/15 12:54 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Electronic jamming would be much more effective, and have longer range.. Likely, could cause loss of control and crash of drone.. Win/win ... for the person being targeted for illegal spying. At the moment, there is no restriction on ownership of jamming devices. ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT: Drones in Singapore restaurant
Drones delivering drinks in a crowded restaurant? It’s not as crazy as it sounds. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/innovations/wp/2015/02/13/drones-delivering-drinks-in-a-crowded-restaurant-its-not-as-crazy-as-it-sounds/# http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/innovations/wp/2015/02/13/drones-delivering-drinks-in-a-crowded-restaurant-its-not-as-crazy-as-it-sounds/# By Matt McFarland http://www.washingtonpost.com/people/matt-mcfarland February 13 at 7:00 AM matthew.mcfarl...@washpost.com?subject=Reader feedback for 'Drones delivering drinks in a crowded restaurant? It’s not as crazy as it sounds.' It’s noisy, but you don’t have to tip it. (Infinium Robotics) A Singapore restaurant plans to use drones to transport food and drinks from the kitchen to a wait station near customers’ tables by the end of this year. Infinium Robotics, the Singapore company that’s developing the drones for restaurant chain Timbre, showed off the technology here: It has spent the past two weeks testing the technology at the restaurant before it opens each night for business. Delivering plates of food and drink to individual tables sounds like a recipe for disaster. How does the drone know where to hover? What if someone bumps into the drone or is standing in its way? While Infinium Robotics claims it’s all technically possible, Timbre won’t be delivering food from the kitchen straight to customers’ tables. It wants to preserve a human touch. So the drones will fly from the kitchen to two stations frequented by waiters. The routes are 30 and 60 feet. The drones are programmed to fly no lower than 8½ feet, so as not to crash into any guests. “There’s no chance at all you will hit anything,” says Infinium Robotics chief executive Junyang Woon. The drones automatically charge while waiting in the kitchen. After the chef puts an order on the drone, he hits a button on a keypad and the drone automatically flies to one of two wait stations. Sense-and-avoid technology built into the drone won’t allow it to land at the wait station if anything is in its way. The drones are also equipped with sonar and an infrared sensor. A waiter then removes the food or drink from the drone and hits a button that sends it back to the kitchen. The 5 1/3-pound drones can carry just over four pounds of food. Infinium Robotics, which develops the hardware and software, is working on a model that will carry twice as much food. Woon says this isn’t just a gimmick or marketing stunt to help restaurants draw in customers. He points out that unlike a human or traditional robot, the drone flies above congested areas, providing more efficient service. “Its job is to help the waiters, to alleviate some of their mundane tasks,” Woon said. “If they let the robots do the job they can concentrate on interacting with customers to bring about higher customer satisfaction and dining experience.” ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Best oil trader says oil prices may plunge some more
AV gas stores much longer than auto gas, but I don't know why. That is one of the prime issues with using auto gas in aircraft - some don't get flown all that often. I add Stabil to every barrel (55 gal.) that I purchase, just in case something happens, and I don't get to burn it out of the aircraft tanks within a month. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:38 AM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Good question. There are some materials that enhance the storage of gasoline, such as Stabil, but even that doesn't give gasoline the staying power of diesel. Gasoline is a more VOC [Volatile Organic Compound] and the Volatile components gas off in evaporation, or degrade to less volatile by re-combination to form varnish and other less volatile materials.. thus, stale gas which does not ignite well, which produces less heat energy, and isn't as desirable. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Drones
I think one of those compressed nets propelled by a sling shot would entangle and bring down to earth any small to medium sized drone. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:39 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: All of this requires you to be watching and waiting for them. What you really need is an automatic air defense system . . . On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You could become a Falconer. RB On 13/02/2015 12:04 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: I could build a little suicide drone to home in on it and smash into it. Or a big one with a net to catch it and bring it home. --R -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Car for poosy
What sort of power does a 560 put out? Maybe Andrew should go and test drive a car with a modern V8? That old diesel wagon produces about 125 HP - or it did when it was new anyway. RB On 13/02/2015 12:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: I am too addicted to the visceral pleasure of driving two turbodiesel station wagons to be the least bit interested in a plain vanilla V8 gasoline engine powered sedan. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: And me -Original Message- From: Dan Penoff [mailto:d...@penoff.com] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 4:26 AM To: Mercedes List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car for poosy Maybe. Tell me more. Dan On Feb 12, 2015, at 10:02 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: No thanks. I want a long wheelbase model. Dan Interested in a white 560 SEL? Not showroom, but mechanically sound. needs martha to be up to your standards. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Surprising story about Massachusetts solar energy jobs
Why would grass growing on a landfill need to be cut? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On February 13, 2015 10:29:59 AM EST, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Cripes we've got solar all over the dang place. One of the really smart moves (I think anyway) is covering old landfills with 'em. Saves you having to cut the grass off the landfill and makes power, win win. Loads of people are putting panels on their houses, good incentives for it. Supposedly helping with the strain on the grid too by distributing production. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Drones
IIRC, the FCC regs for the un-licensed spectrum require that the devices accept interference, but are prohibited from interfering with licensed services. I'm not sure about unlicensed devices interfering with other unlicensed devices. I think these things use digital codes to keep from cross-controlling each other, which would make jambing more difficult, at the power levels allowed for unlicensed operation. If you have a license to operate in that spectrum, say an amateur license, and happen to point your 1.5 KW signal via a nice focused antenna towards a drone while trying to hit that meteor trail for a bit of long distance skip, then the smoke could be fun to watch. Electronic skeet! On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Pretty sure the ECPA, or maybe even existing FCC regs, prohibits all deliberate interference. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Drones
How far away is the operator likely to be? Just hunt him down and use a super soaker on him. That should adjust his flying technique somewhat. Of course, you folks down south should be ready to shoot back with something a bit more powerful if the fellow happens to be armed. RB On 13/02/2015 1:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: I think one of those compressed nets propelled by a sling shot would entangle and bring down to earth any small to medium sized drone. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:39 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: All of this requires you to be watching and waiting for them. What you really need is an automatic air defense system . . . On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You could become a Falconer. RB On 13/02/2015 12:04 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: I could build a little suicide drone to home in on it and smash into it. Or a big one with a net to catch it and bring it home. --R -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 240D intrigues me!
Or, if the oil cooler might be plugged up? RB On 13/02/2015 5:28 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: Have you checked to see if the oil cooler has been bypassed, or if someone has put cardboard in front of it? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] espresso machine vibrator
I don't think the pumps run on a rheostat here's a rebuild tutorial http://www.instructables.com/id/Rebuilding-an-ULKA-Vibratory-Pump-Espresso-machin/ i've never had luck at repairing them here's another set of links http://ulkapumprepair.blogspot.com/ the ulna is the one in the machines i use, i think they can be bought relatively cheaply if you shop thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins On Feb 12, 2015, at 8:34 PM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Espresso Date: February 12, 2015 7:45:20 PM EST To: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com, Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Dan wrote: Interesting. I think mine is the same way. Maybe the caps(s) for the pump are old and should be replaced? I may take a look at mine this weekend and see. I can't imagine it would be difficult or expensive to replace. As for the O ring, I can't say. I haven't looked at it or tried to remove it. Mine seals well. So I'm figuring I'll leave well enough alone. If you find a suitable replacement let me know, as I would certainly like to have a spare. My previous response to this okiebenz message went to Dan, not the list, by mistake. I think there are some electronic design wizards here that can answer the current problem with the machine we each are using. This is a vibratory pump in a 40 year old espresso machine made in italy but wired for 110v. I think we can muster a picture of the control knob if needed, plus maybe a picture of wiring. There is a unique feature in this espresso machine - the speed of the pump can be varied using rheostat control knob. 12 o'clock is silent pump. Turn clockwise (cw) and the pump speeds up water thru thermoblock for shots. Turn counter clockwise (ccw) and the pump is used to produce steam for foamed milk. cw turn speeds pump goes from - to + as noted on the control. ccw control goes from - to + to denote amount of steam? However, steam production is not ideal so we are wondering if old caps or other electro-gizmo might be old after 40 years. Perhaps the rheostat needs a spray of DeOxit? What else in this type of electric control can go bad in years of very light service? Dan, perhaps we need to read the instructions? Below is my description to Dan yesterday about what I am seeing - Dan's notes above show he is in approximately the same quandry (choppy vibe pump noise) about producing steam. As noted, most espresso machines do not have a control that varies the pump speed. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Surprising story about Massachusetts solar energy jobs
Mostly for monitoring, like for emissions and erosion but other reasons too, including: LooksPreventing tree growth - this one is huge, trees will break the clay cap and allow water to penetrate which would allow the contents outFire preventionand of course more I can't think of right now. My Dad is a landfill manager and when I graduated from high school my very first job was working a landfill closure which taught me way more than the average person knows about landfills. -Curt From: Max Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Surprising story about Massachusetts solar energy jobs Why would grass growing on a landfill need to be cut? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On February 13, 2015 10:29:59 AM EST, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Cripes we've got solar all over the dang place. One of the really smart moves (I think anyway) is covering old landfills with 'em. Saves you having to cut the grass off the landfill and makes power, win win. Loads of people are putting panels on their houses, good incentives for it. Supposedly helping with the strain on the grid too by distributing production. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] 240D intrigues me!
So as you all know, I replaced that bitch of a hose under the thermostat housing a few days ago. I drove around town for a few days, no leaks from the new hose, no overheating. There was however a small amount of coolant loss from the rubber o ring that goes around the tstat and keeps the housing cover from leaking. I didn't make anything of it as that tstat has been in and out so many times that the seal is probably compressed. Anyway, I need to get this car to MA where it's registered so that I can have it inspected-already received a fine in the mail. So I head off to Boston today from Brunswick, Maine-roughly a 140 mile trip. The car performed flawlessly, cruising at 65-70 mph, smooth, powerful, temp holding steady even in some stop and go traffic towards the tail end of the trip. I was so proud of the little 240D, when literally, as I pull into my driveway the temp gauge starts rising! So weird. I pop the hood, the upper rad hoses are super firm, coolant is dripping from rad overflow tube but my newly replaced hose is not leaking. Well back to square one! Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 240D intrigues me!
Have you checked to see if the oil cooler has been bypassed, or if someone has put cardboard in front of it? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 240D intrigues me!
It's not bypassed or covered up. Would a plugged up oil cooler cause coolant temp to rise? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 13, 2015, at 6:33 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Or, if the oil cooler might be plugged up? RB On 13/02/2015 5:28 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: Have you checked to see if the oil cooler has been bypassed, or if someone has put cardboard in front of it? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 240D intrigues me!
Oil cooler was replaced with an NOS one maybe 3 years ago. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Rising fuel prices
Isn't anyone aware that there is a nationwide refinery workers strike in progress, and that due to disruptions in the supply routes, perceived shortages, and profit taking, increased gas and oil prices are probably temporary and will decline after the strike is over? http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-11/u-s-oil-workers-strike-enters-11th-day-with-one-refinery-shut Gerry Rich Thomas wrote: =20proof was $1.96 at Costco yesterday --R Don wrote: Unleaded was $2.17, premium $2.48, and Diesel was $2.37 yesterday, all without ethanol. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in Boston?
Max wrote: The earth has never been static (in geology and in climate) and it never will be. This is just the way it is. Man will adapt and survive, as he has done so for millenia... Yes, but we have never become quite so zealous about doing something with sooo much of the mantle, never have we become so zealous about being upset with another person's freedom to express opinion or fact - are there facts today? I don't know! mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in Boston?
Andrew wrote: They are being funded by latte-guzzling liberals who want you to drive a Prius. Funny. I like. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in Boston?
--R wrote: (who watches sea level rise and fall a coupla times a day, every day) No Miami groundwater issues? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 240D intrigues me!
On 13/02/2015 5:14 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: So as you all know, I replaced that bitch of a hose under the thermostat housing a few days ago. I drove around town for a few days, no leaks from the new hose, no overheating. There was however a small amount of coolant loss from the rubber o ring that goes around the tstat and keeps the housing cover from leaking. I didn't make anything of it as that tstat has been in and out so many times that the seal is probably compressed. Anyway, I need to get this car to MA where it's registered so that I can have it inspected-already received a fine in the mail. So I head off to Boston today from Brunswick, Maine-roughly a 140 mile trip. The car performed flawlessly, cruising at 65-70 mph, smooth, powerful, temp holding steady even in some stop and go traffic towards the tail end of the trip. I was so proud of the little 240D, when literally, as I pull into my driveway the temp gauge starts rising! So weird. I pop the hood, the upper rad hoses are super firm, coolant is dripping from rad overflow tube but my newly replaced hose is not leaking. Well back to square one! Once it cools enough that you can open the rad cap - it will be interesting to know how much coolant it has lost. Could it have leaked enough to cause an issue? Do you have a pressure test rig to pressurize the system and see if it holds? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in Boston?
Max wrote: You were trained as a geologist I believe. We have all been trained in a common core tradition. Yet our politics, religion, family, age, IQ affect us differently so we arrive at pole opinions on these things. We are individuals that love freedom. Andrew can agree generally with AlGore, you can agree with someone else. I like the path between the poles. I can do both solutions and remain free instead of getting boxed in to the pole - at least that is my attempt. Learn to live without a car is good exercise, etc. Diesel cars are also enjoyable. We like each other and get along which is a hard thing to find these days. I like that. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Fwd: 240D intrigues me!
Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: dsereta...@yahoo.com Date: February 13, 2015 at 7:54:25 PM EST To: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D intrigues me! Yeah I'll check out the coolant loss in the am. I'm thinking about dumping some of that head gasket, head, block sealer stuff into the coolant. I don't have a pressure tester but I did but a leakdown tester but it's so freaking cold out I don't want to use it! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 13, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 13/02/2015 5:14 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: So as you all know, I replaced that bitch of a hose under the thermostat housing a few days ago. I drove around town for a few days, no leaks from the new hose, no overheating. There was however a small amount of coolant loss from the rubber o ring that goes around the tstat and keeps the housing cover from leaking. I didn't make anything of it as that tstat has been in and out so many times that the seal is probably compressed. Anyway, I need to get this car to MA where it's registered so that I can have it inspected-already received a fine in the mail. So I head off to Boston today from Brunswick, Maine-roughly a 140 mile trip. The car performed flawlessly, cruising at 65-70 mph, smooth, powerful, temp holding steady even in some stop and go traffic towards the tail end of the trip. I was so proud of the little 240D, when literally, as I pull into my driveway the temp gauge starts rising! So weird. I pop the hood, the upper rad hoses are super firm, coolant is dripping from rad overflow tube but my newly replaced hose is not leaking. Well back to square one! Once it cools enough that you can open the rad cap - it will be interesting to know how much coolant it has lost. Could it have leaked enough to cause an issue? Do you have a pressure test rig to pressurize the system and see if it holds? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] NAPA half off
NAPA is advertising here 50% off this weekend. Includes batteries. Anybody else heard this in your area? May need to acquire a battery... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] CL idiot of the week
http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/4872763799.html M117 that needs no attention until it clocks 700k miles! clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] CL idiot of the week
NO BROKEN GLASS!! TIRES ARE ALL ROUND!! ENGINE RUNS!! CAR MOVES WHEN THE PEDAL IS PRESSED DOWN!!! ONE IDIOT OWNER!! On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:57 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/4872763799.html M117 that needs no attention until it clocks 700k miles! clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] NAPA half off
On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 21:48:02 -0600 Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: NAPA is advertising here 50% off this weekend. Includes batteries. Anybody else heard this in your area? Our store is closed on Saturday and Sunday ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] No More AMEX @ Costco
I agree. Never saw the purpose of those stores. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 13, 2015, at 10:04 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Please send a link. This is TERRIBLE news. It was on PBS TV last night. Makes no difference to me. I've never set foot in one. No need to buy cases of anything ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Drones
New sport. Battle of the Drones. Tiny rockets. Heavy betting. Successor to cockfights. Prime time TV. Gerry .22 with bird shot….. Fred Moir wrote: 12 gauge? To control drones in the neighborhood, designate them as skeet? YMMV Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Best oil trader says oil prices may plunge some more
Petro merchants wield more power than some over educated fool holding political office. Lame ducks have little power, and the current congress may be inclined to keep this issue alive longer than the quacker holds power. He was incapable of action for the past seven years on the project. Keeping it in limbo seems to have been tacit agreement for the project, while dithering like Carter ingratiated him to his liberal base. clay On Feb 13, 2015, at 6:45 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: We need it like a hole in the head. Canada needs it to get their tar sands oil to world markets. Recovering that oil requires huge amounts of greenhouse gas emitting energy to sweat it out of the matrix. Obama will veto the legislation but even if he didn't, there are also sticky legal issues in Nebraska state courts regarding authority by a foreign entity to exert eminent domain to cross private lands. On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: clay wrote: Keystone will not die... Keystone seems to be a strange animal with low oil prices. Why do we need a new pipeline? They said our reserves onhand are higher than we have seen in years. I heard that Goldman suggested $20/barrel oil. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 240D intrigues me!
Dimitri- maybe time to face it- the car is possessed. Actuslly i am stumped too. At least you are back in MA so you can get it inspected. On Feb 13, 2015 8:04 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: dsereta...@yahoo.com Date: February 13, 2015 at 7:54:25 PM EST To: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D intrigues me! Yeah I'll check out the coolant loss in the am. I'm thinking about dumping some of that head gasket, head, block sealer stuff into the coolant. I don't have a pressure tester but I did but a leakdown tester but it's so freaking cold out I don't want to use it! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 13, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 13/02/2015 5:14 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: So as you all know, I replaced that bitch of a hose under the thermostat housing a few days ago. I drove around town for a few days, no leaks from the new hose, no overheating. There was however a small amount of coolant loss from the rubber o ring that goes around the tstat and keeps the housing cover from leaking. I didn't make anything of it as that tstat has been in and out so many times that the seal is probably compressed. Anyway, I need to get this car to MA where it's registered so that I can have it inspected-already received a fine in the mail. So I head off to Boston today from Brunswick, Maine-roughly a 140 mile trip. The car performed flawlessly, cruising at 65-70 mph, smooth, powerful, temp holding steady even in some stop and go traffic towards the tail end of the trip. I was so proud of the little 240D, when literally, as I pull into my driveway the temp gauge starts rising! So weird. I pop the hood, the upper rad hoses are super firm, coolant is dripping from rad overflow tube but my newly replaced hose is not leaking. Well back to square one! Once it cools enough that you can open the rad cap - it will be interesting to know how much coolant it has lost. Could it have leaked enough to cause an issue? Do you have a pressure test rig to pressurize the system and see if it holds? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
