Re: [MBZ] CD player for my W123

2015-03-19 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Well if you are talking about CD player you would be moving into the 20th 
century. You want to send it off and Have an aux port installed then you can 
hook an iPod or whatever up to it. They also rebuild it at the same time.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 19, 2015, at 4:56 PM, G. M. Brown via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
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 Am considering a move into the 21st century for my W123 and would like to 
 find if any of you have installed/added a CD player while maintaining the 
 Becker Grand Prix electronic radio.  TIA.
 
 G. M. Brown
 Brevard, NC
 
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[MBZ] This looks to be in decent shape

2015-03-19 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes


1990 Mercedes Benz SEL
http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/4938422086.html

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Re: [MBZ] My florida tour has come to an end

2015-03-19 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
ATTABOY!  In the USAF, we called that a Boondoggle.  Sometimes work begins 
to seem like more play than work, doesn't it?  When it does, THAT'S a 
Boondoggle.


Wilton

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To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 5:14 PM
Subject: [MBZ] My florida tour has come to an end



I've been down in Florida since last Monday for work.  We did a test drive
for work, driving a loop around most of the state:  Jacksonville - 
Daytona

Beach (during bike week) - St. Petersburg - Naples - Miami Beach -
Cocoa Beach - Jacksonville.

Highlights of the trip were visiting folks along the way.  Had a great
dinner with Dan Penoff and his son Stu, and got to treat them to a ride in
a Maybach.  Dan and I haven't seen each other since the days of the Rusty
Qs and it was great to catch up and share stories.

Next up was Miami Beach for four nights, which meant visiting with Gary
Hurst.  We shared a few meals and drove around quite a bit.  Gary in
person, for those who haven't met him, is great experience.  I always look
forward to seeing him.

And finally I had dinner with Pierre Hedary and his sister Marie on
Tuesday, followed by a visit to his shop on Wednesday with the Germans.
They're both gracious hosts and we had a great time.  I could hang out
there for a week I think.  His shop holds many treasures, including a 1967
300SEL, very similar to my car.

I'm a bit surprised by my busy social calendar over the trip... its a
reminder of what kind of community our hobby can create.

Jaime



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Re: [MBZ] ?

2015-03-19 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I didn't go up on the lectern, just took a picture in front of it staying on 
the floor. I did try out the chair for the US rep to the Security Council...
In retrospect it seems strange I didn't check out the gift shop, I managed to 
get to the gift shop at the FBI academy a couple years ago.
-Curt
  From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 4:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] ?
   
Did you go to the lectern and take your shoe off and pound it on the 
top?  THAT would have been funny as hell.  You could also stand up and 
denounce imperialist hegemonists.

--R



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 I just finished a class at the UN. Got a pic on the floor of the general 
 Assembly.

 Curt

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Re: [MBZ] My florida tour has come to an end

2015-03-19 Thread wiltonw--- via Mercedes
How 'bout a pavements conference on the beach at Panama City Beach, FL, from 
Greenland in October?

Wilton

 Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 
 You need to hear about the boondoggle the guys I had in class figured out. 
 They work for Danish National Broadcasting, recently our european customers 
 discovered that for the same price as going to our UK training center they 
 could come to the US and in the US they get the Master Instructor, thats 
 me.So these guys arrange to come to the US for class, though it turns out 
 theres a reseller right next door that can run the same class. Now we have 
 two options for class in the US, snowy and cold MA or sunny and warm CA, they 
 obviously pick the latter. There are only 2 direct direct flights a week from 
 Copenhagen to LAX, one gets in Saturday which is no good, class starts Monday 
 and they'll be fighting 9 hours of jet lag. So they get in Tuesday the week 
 before class. They decide to drive up to San Francisco and end up in Santa 
 Cruz. They decide the best way to get on west coast time is to stay up late 
 and the best way to do that is to get stinking drunk...
One of the two guys went back to Denmark right after class, the other brought 
his wife over and is staying for like a month of vacation...
We started calling it the junket
-Curt
  From: WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 6:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] My florida tour has come to an end
   
ATTABOY!  In the USAF, we called that a Boondoggle.  Sometimes work begins 
to seem like more play than work, doesn't it?  When it does, THAT'S a 
Boondoggle.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 5:14 PM
Subject: [MBZ] My florida tour has come to an end


 I've been down in Florida since last Monday for work.  We did a test drive
 for work, driving a loop around most of the state:  Jacksonville - 
 Daytona
 Beach (during bike week) - St. Petersburg - Naples - Miami Beach -
 Cocoa Beach - Jacksonville.

 Highlights of the trip were visiting folks along the way.  Had a great
 dinner with Dan Penoff and his son Stu, and got to treat them to a ride in
 a Maybach.  Dan and I haven't seen each other since the days of the Rusty
 Qs and it was great to catch up and share stories.

 Next up was Miami Beach for four nights, which meant visiting with Gary
 Hurst.  We shared a few meals and drove around quite a bit.  Gary in
 person, for those who haven't met him, is great experience.  I always look
 forward to seeing him.

 And finally I had dinner with Pierre Hedary and his sister Marie on
 Tuesday, followed by a visit to his shop on Wednesday with the Germans.
 They're both gracious hosts and we had a great time.  I could hang out
 there for a week I think.  His shop holds many treasures, including a 1967
 300SEL, very similar to my car.

 I'm a bit surprised by my busy social calendar over the trip... its a
 reminder of what kind of community our hobby can create.

 Jaime



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Re: [MBZ] My florida tour has come to an end

2015-03-19 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
You need to hear about the boondoggle the guys I had in class figured out. They 
work for Danish National Broadcasting, recently our european customers 
discovered that for the same price as going to our UK training center they 
could come to the US and in the US they get the Master Instructor, thats 
me.So these guys arrange to come to the US for class, though it turns out 
theres a reseller right next door that can run the same class. Now we have two 
options for class in the US, snowy and cold MA or sunny and warm CA, they 
obviously pick the latter. There are only 2 direct direct flights a week from 
Copenhagen to LAX, one gets in Saturday which is no good, class starts Monday 
and they'll be fighting 9 hours of jet lag. So they get in Tuesday the week 
before class. They decide to drive up to San Francisco and end up in Santa 
Cruz. They decide the best way to get on west coast time is to stay up late and 
the best way to do that is to get stinking drunk...
One of the two guys went back to Denmark right after class, the other brought 
his wife over and is staying for like a month of vacation...
We started calling it the junket
-Curt
  From: WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 6:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] My florida tour has come to an end
   
ATTABOY!  In the USAF, we called that a Boondoggle.  Sometimes work begins 
to seem like more play than work, doesn't it?  When it does, THAT'S a 
Boondoggle.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 5:14 PM
Subject: [MBZ] My florida tour has come to an end


 I've been down in Florida since last Monday for work.  We did a test drive
 for work, driving a loop around most of the state:  Jacksonville - 
 Daytona
 Beach (during bike week) - St. Petersburg - Naples - Miami Beach -
 Cocoa Beach - Jacksonville.

 Highlights of the trip were visiting folks along the way.  Had a great
 dinner with Dan Penoff and his son Stu, and got to treat them to a ride in
 a Maybach.  Dan and I haven't seen each other since the days of the Rusty
 Qs and it was great to catch up and share stories.

 Next up was Miami Beach for four nights, which meant visiting with Gary
 Hurst.  We shared a few meals and drove around quite a bit.  Gary in
 person, for those who haven't met him, is great experience.  I always look
 forward to seeing him.

 And finally I had dinner with Pierre Hedary and his sister Marie on
 Tuesday, followed by a visit to his shop on Wednesday with the Germans.
 They're both gracious hosts and we had a great time.  I could hang out
 there for a week I think.  His shop holds many treasures, including a 1967
 300SEL, very similar to my car.

 I'm a bit surprised by my busy social calendar over the trip... its a
 reminder of what kind of community our hobby can create.

 Jaime



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Re: [MBZ] This looks to be in decent shape

2015-03-19 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

right front fender?

RB

On 19/03/2015 5:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:


1990 Mercedes Benz SEL
http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/4938422086.html





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Re: [MBZ] This looks to be in decent shape

2015-03-19 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
V6 engine

It's a 420SEL.

If this was meant for me, thanks, but don't bother.  I want a W140 sedan, and 
ONLY a W140 sedan, and it's got to be at least 1996 or newer.  95 and earlier 
had too many issues.

Thanks,

Dan


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 1990 Mercedes Benz SEL
 http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/4938422086.html
 
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Re: [MBZ] This looks to be in decent shape

2015-03-19 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
My bad I missed that

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 19, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
 
 right front fender?
 
 RB
 
 On 19/03/2015 5:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 
 1990 Mercedes Benz SEL
 http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/4938422086.html
 

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Re: [MBZ] Car Search

2015-03-19 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Of course!

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 18, 2015, at 11:11 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
wrote:

  I'm still at a loss to figure out why W140s are so hard to find...
 
 Dan
 
 Easy!  Murphy.   Stop looking so hard.  relax. When you don't need one, 
 they'll be everywhere.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Wood refinishing for zebrano console in my W123 300TD

2015-03-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Not to mention sly allusions to blue pills.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 12:55 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 What's going on in this place? We are talking about strippers touching
 wood!

 Sent from my iPhone

  On Mar 18, 2015, at 2:03 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  Heritage Woodworks. Wouldn't let anyone else touch my wood.
 
  (Waiting for snarky comments)
 
  Dan
 
  Sent from my iPad
 
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 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  I may have askeed this before, but am hoping for at least one on-point
  response this time.
 
  Has anyone had a GOOD experience with a wood refinisher?  I am unable to
  dent the poly whatever finish on the console wood in my 300TD, using
  several strippers.
 
  I am now willing to pay to get this done.  Any recommendations?  Or if
 you
  have first hand knowledge as a DIY project, I wil llisten.
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Re: [MBZ] Car Search

2015-03-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Break down and purchase an imperfect one.  Suddenly, the market will be
flooded with low mileage one-owner cars owned by legally blind little old
ladies who bought them for their looks and only wanted to pet and pamper
them.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 5:29 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Of course!

 Sent from my iPad

 On Mar 18, 2015, at 11:11 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

   I'm still at a loss to figure out why W140s are so hard to find...
 
  Dan
 
  Easy!  Murphy.   Stop looking so hard.  relax. When you don't need one,
 they'll be everywhere.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Car Search

2015-03-19 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes




  I'm still at a loss to figure out why W140s are so hard to find...


  Dan
 


the harder you look, the scarcer they become.  its a corollary to 
Murphy's law.   Besides, 'tis the season for the little people 
Have you cut down a tree lately?  If you cut down a fairy tree, your 
lucky to still be alive.


Drive the mazda and relax.  then they'll pop up near you.  Or buy a 
honda, a crown victoria, a C230 or whatever...then they'll pop up.


BTDT...

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Re: [MBZ] Juglans, wuz: Re: Nice 1984 300CD

2015-03-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I saw a Youtube video of a guy enclosing the unhusked nuts in a cage and
then power washing them to remove the husks.  No such automated process to
crack them once de-husked, however.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 12:00 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 May get a walnut-stained area on driveway, depending on humidity/moisture..

 Wilton


 If you can't live with the stains, buy the nut meats.  The stains will
 wear off over time, and the stains on your hands will go away with time
 also.  The piles of walnut hulls I dumped eventually biodegraded and
 stopped bleeding brown/black with each rain.

 I hulled semiloads of black walnuts for several years.

 If you want to earn your own Juglans Nigra nut meats, then you have to
 wear the badges of courage.


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[MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

2015-03-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Winter sets global heat record despite US East's big chill
http://click1.email.energyguardian.net/hsqfnsghmdjzbffszsbjczmnwszhbwnpdpqwdqbsvhhnn_kttdmlmdl.html?a=12543

WASHINGTON (AP) — Federal records show that this winter and the first two
months of 2015 were the hottest on record globally, with a chilly U.S. East
sticking out like a cold thumb in a toastier world.

At nearly 1.5 degrees Fahrenheit above 20th century average, last month was
the second warmest February on record globally, slightly behind 1998.

But the combined January and February temperature beat the old record for
the first two months set in 2002. December through February broke the
meteorological winter record set in 2007.

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration records go back to 1880.
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Re: [MBZ] 124 camber

2015-03-19 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
What is the condition of the bearing in the wheel carrier?  They do go  
bad, and can cause both loose rear end sensations and excessivve  
camber.  I'm in the process of replacing them on all three W124s.


They usually creak too.

Also check ride height -- if the rear is low due to weak shocks or  
springs, there will be excessive camber.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 124 camber

2015-03-19 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
I would think the most accurate way to check the normal height of the car front 
and back and side to side would be to measure the height above a flat surface 
of the box beams on each side of the car. Eyeballing heights can be innacurate.
Gerry

 What is the condition of the bearing in the wheel carrier?  They do go  
 bad, and can cause both loose rear end sensations and excessivve  
 camber.  I'm in the process of replacing them on all three W124s.
 
 They usually creak too.
 
 Also check ride height -- if the rear is low due to weak shocks or  
 springs, there will be excessive camber.
 
 Peter
 
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[MBZ] MBZ] ?

2015-03-19 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
'Has to do with a scammer in Singapore trying to get to my stuff.  That's 
the reason for the ?  To see if my e-mail still works.


Wilton

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Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 3:16 PM
Subject: [MBZ] ?



Wilt
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Re: [MBZ] 124 camber

2015-03-19 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
I would still suspect the springs - new shocks and new springs and you
should be good to go, what else is there to replace? Just finish throwing
money at it :-)

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:53 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


 Have you replaced the back pressurized shocks and/or checked to be sure
 they are the correct German shocks?
 (Just a wild guess since I've never worked on a 124.)
 Gerry




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Re: [MBZ] shooting .22

2015-03-19 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes

I only hoard useful ammo: 5.56 and 9mm.  

 -Original Message-
 From:  Raymond via Mercedes
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 7:21 PM
 
 I'm amazed at the persistence of the idiots hoarding ammunition. Dad talks
 about friends of his who might shoot 1 or 2 shots a year buying a brick of
.22
 every month. They'll never shoot them all but Obama is gonna take our
guns
 you know! which is just stupid.
 If our next president is a republican we should expect the ammunition
market
 to bottom out.I really wish I'd built an ammunition factory 10 years ago,
it'd be
 great to have sold out a couple years ago...
 -Curt


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Re: [MBZ] CD player for my W123

2015-03-19 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

I yanked the cassette mechanism in the Chicken Wagon, replaced
it with a USB power jack and an aux phone plug.  Intended for
use with a discman or iPod.  Wife never, I mean _never_ used it.

Looks like a stock-ish Becker, but could iPod.  Sorta.

http://formicapeak.com/~jimc/cwlog.html#31Mar2007

Later replaced with a cheap Alpine CD deck.

-- Jim


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[MBZ] 124 camber

2015-03-19 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes



The rear wheels on my 124 300D have had a camber problem since i got 
it maybe 9 yrs ago.  I replaced the rear subframe bushings, and all 
the links and bushings a couple years ago.  It still has too much 
camber.  tops in, bottoms out.


supposedly the camber is not adjustable.  All parts were OE or OEM. 
the obvious cause would be if the lower control arm was stretched, or 
the top link was too short.


I did replace the LCAs also in the attempt to correct the problem. 
Body height seems right.  springs were not sprung, or broken, 
replaced the rubber spring seats when working on the links.


Any ideas how to correct or fix the camber problem?  I am out of 
ideas.  Surely someone here has fixed this before.


I gave up on it for a while, but it is wearing the inside of the rear 
tires like a 126 in need of subframe bushings.   Before putting tar 
on it, I want to try again to figure out the geometry and cause of 
the excess camber.


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Re: [MBZ] 124 camber

2015-03-19 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 22:35:38 -0500
Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 
 
 The rear wheels on my 124 300D have had a camber problem since i got 
 it maybe 9 yrs ago.  I replaced the rear subframe bushings, and all 
 the links and bushings a couple years ago.  It still has too much 
 camber.  tops in, bottoms out.
 
 supposedly the camber is not adjustable.  All parts were OE or OEM. 
 the obvious cause would be if the lower control arm was stretched, or 
 the top link was too short.
 
 I did replace the LCAs also in the attempt to correct the problem. 
 Body height seems right.  springs were not sprung, or broken, 
 replaced the rubber spring seats when working on the links.
 
 Any ideas how to correct or fix the camber problem?  I am out of 
 ideas.  Surely someone here has fixed this before.
 
 I gave up on it for a while, but it is wearing the inside of the rear 
 tires like a 126 in need of subframe bushings.   Before putting tar 
 on it, I want to try again to figure out the geometry and cause of 
 the excess camber.
 ___

Have you replaced the back pressurized shocks and/or checked to be sure they 
are the correct German shocks?
(Just a wild guess since I've never worked on a 124.)
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] 124 camber

2015-03-19 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
 Curly wrote:
 
 The rear wheels on my 124 300D have had a camber problem since i
 got it maybe 9 yrs ago.  I replaced the rear subframe bushings,
 and all the links and bushings a couple years ago.  It still has
 too much camber.  tops in, bottoms out.

 Any ideas how to correct or fix the camber problem?  I am out of 
 ideas.  Surely someone here has fixed this before.

Weak springs?

Add air shocks?

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Re: [MBZ] This looks to be in decent shape

2015-03-19 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Hood too. Not initially all that obvious given the color and the 
reflections etc.


RB

On 19/03/2015 5:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

My bad I missed that

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 19, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

right front fender?

RB


On 19/03/2015 5:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

1990 Mercedes Benz SEL
http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/4938422086.html

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[MBZ] E250 Bluetec

2015-03-19 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Just drove several blocks behind a back E250 Bluetec; nearly $52k?!!!??!! 
My nearly 29-year-old white 124D w/141 kmi ran smoothly and quietly behind and 
along beside it for several blocks.  I didn't feel shy at all.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] My new car! was RE: Car Search

2015-03-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Why a BMW?  Mechanics say they break, unlike MErcedes.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Dan wrote:   I've pretty much decided it's a W140 or nothing, so the E55
 is out the window.  I've put searches in for W140s in Tulsa, OK City and
 Charleston.  If I see anything pop up I'll be in touch.  Sadly, the initial
 searches yielded pretty much nothing.  I'm still at a loss to figure out
 why W140s are so hard to find...

 I feel your pain!  I have been on the search for either a 97-99 S Class
 (just like you) or another 7 series BMW.I did finally strike gold!
  Yesterday I bought a 2001 BMW 740iL with 115,000 miles -- 2 owner. The
 first had it for 8 years and the second for 6 years.  The seller has only
 put on 25,000 in the last 6 years.  During that time he also had the
 100,000 mile service done at the BMW dealer and they did EVERYTHING.  Poor
 guy.

 Anyway, I am having to have it shipped from Nashville to Wichita in an
 enclosed trailer.   I am excited because it has such low miles (compared to
 my previous cars).  My current BMW has 217,000 miles.

 Don Snook
 2000 BMW 740iL  217K
 2006 Cadillac SRX (Her car)
 2001 BMW 740iL  (in transit)






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Re: [MBZ] My new car! was RE: Car Search

2015-03-19 Thread Donald Snook via Mercedes
I would have bought a 140 (97-99). But, like Dan they are very hard to find. 
When I did find one they were either turds or they wanted WAY too much for 
them.  Plus, I have really enjoyed my current 7 series.  I think the 98-2001 
Bmw is the best one they made. They fit me well and look good.





On Mar 19, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
astrasfo...@gmail.commailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

Why a BMW?  Mechanics say they break, unlike MErcedes.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.commailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Dan wrote:   I've pretty much decided it's a W140 or nothing, so the E55 is 
out the window.  I've put searches in for W140s in Tulsa, OK City and 
Charleston.  If I see anything pop up I'll be in touch.  Sadly, the initial 
searches yielded pretty much nothing.  I'm still at a loss to figure out why 
W140s are so hard to find...

I feel your pain!  I have been on the search for either a 97-99 S Class (just 
like you) or another 7 series BMW.I did finally strike gold!   Yesterday I 
bought a 2001 BMW 740iL with 115,000 miles -- 2 owner. The first had it for 8 
years and the second for 6 years.  The seller has only put on 25,000 in the 
last 6 years.  During that time he also had the 100,000 mile service done at 
the BMW dealer and they did EVERYTHING.  Poor guy.

Anyway, I am having to have it shipped from Nashville to Wichita in an enclosed 
trailer.   I am excited because it has such low miles (compared to my previous 
cars).  My current BMW has 217,000 miles.

Don Snook
2000 BMW 740iL  217K
2006 Cadillac SRX (Her car)
2001 BMW 740iL  (in transit)






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Re: [MBZ] Juglans, wuz: Re: Nice 1984 300CD

2015-03-19 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Yes that was great fun, as was scrounging old bicycle tire inner tubes 
and fashioning big slingshots to launch them.


--R



On 3/19/15 1:14 PM, WILTON wrote:
I remember playing base ball with the greenuns several times - green 
walnuts for the ball; piecea whatever was available (oak, hickory, 
pine) for the bat.  I still enjoy innovating, but being poor is a 
much stronger incentive to do it.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com

To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Juglans, wuz: Re: Nice 1984 300CD


When I was a kid we would collect them and put them in the gravel 
driveway or side road and let the cars run over them awhile.  You 
have to get them when the husks are all brown and rotted, the green 
husks are like bowling balls.  My granddaddy, who probably had some 
sort of OCD, would then spend hours going at them with a hammer and 
whatever else to get a small bowlfull of them, which my grandmother 
would use to make cookies that vanished immediately.


--R 



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

2015-03-19 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 19:12:18 + Fred Moir via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Didn't Krakatoa induce a mini ice age in the early middle ages?

Krakatoa blew in August, 1883.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1883_eruption_of_Krakatoa


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

2015-03-19 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
Let's see!  Where to begin?

Warmer is much better than colder (for the US).  The proposed solutions would 
seriously deteriorate the economic status of the poor and middle class (in the 
US).  The former head of the IPCC has admitted that this cause is a religion to 
him.  There are vast areas of the earth's surface for which we have no accurate 
temperature readings.  Climate Science is NOT a science in the sense that 
there have not been null hypotheses which have been controverted by data.  The 
issue has been heavily politicized by so called progressives and their fellow 
travelers of the press corps.  Data have been altered and cherry picked without 
transparent justification.

The leftist language police don't want to allow the use of the term climate 
skeptic but rather call us deniers in order to evoke images of Nazism and 
associate us with holocaust deniers; using the ad hominem approach since they 
lack actual scientific evidence for their chicken-little hysteria.

Don't get me started here!

Greg 

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
Strasfogel via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 5:48 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

Winter sets global heat record despite US East's big chill 
http://click1.email.energyguardian.net/hsqfnsghmdjzbffszsbjczmnwszhbwnpdpqwdqbsvhhnn_kttdmlmdl.html?a=12543

WASHINGTON (AP) — Federal records show that this winter and the first two 
months of 2015 were the hottest on record globally, with a chilly U.S. East 
sticking out like a cold thumb in a toastier world.

At nearly 1.5 degrees Fahrenheit above 20th century average, last month was the 
second warmest February on record globally, slightly behind 1998.

But the combined January and February temperature beat the old record for the 
first two months set in 2002. December through February broke the 
meteorological winter record set in 2007.

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration records go back to 1880.
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Re: [MBZ] ?

2015-03-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
??

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 3:16 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 Wilt
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Re: [MBZ] ?????

2015-03-19 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

I will see your ?? and raise you a ???

RB

On 19/03/2015 2:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

??

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 3:16 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:


Wilt
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Re: [MBZ] OT Starbucks is in NASCAR now?

2015-03-19 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
Some of *$'s blends are quite good.  I favor their Casi Cielo which I brew
at home a lot.  I don't care for their ultra dark (burnt) roasts either.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
dseretakis--- via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 7:47 AM
To: Meade Dillon; Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Starbucks is in NASCAR now?

Starbux makes my heart race. Coffee too strong. Yuck.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 19, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 HA!  I can just picture Bubba asking Barista-Babe about racing and 
 the interesting exchange that will follow.
 
 -
 Max where's my espresso?
 Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Around the world solar flight update

2015-03-19 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
R works for M?

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 And you work for whom?

 On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  You must work for the gummint with those kind of calculations
 
  --R
 
 
 
  On 3/19/15 9:32 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
 
  A leisurely 50 mph by my calculations.  About the speed of a blimp but
  without the luxury of cabin service.
 
  On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
  mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  A leisurely pace.
 
  --R
 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

2015-03-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Meade, there is far more money being spent by the polluters to fund climate
change deniers.  I j ust hope you don't own any beach property.



On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Andrew,

 The data is being cooked in order to keep the billions of research dollars
 flowing for global warming / climate change / anthropogenic global
 warming.  Past temperature data has either been adjusted to make the past
 colder (which means we MUST be warmer now, right) or past data which
 doesn't fit the models predictions is conveniently deleted from the
 computations...


 https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015/03/16/temperature-adjustments-at-uscrn1-stations/

 In case you've missed this in the past, here is a list of 1000 REAL
 scientists who disagree with the contention that CO2 is going to destroy
 the earth:

 http://cfact.org/pdf/2010_Senate_Minority_Report.pdf

 If you don't care to read all 321 pages of that report, here's just a
 sample of what is inside:

 Atmospheric Physicist Dr. John Reid, who worked with Australia’s CSIRO’s
 (Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization) Division of
 Oceanography and worked in surface gravity waves (ocean waves) research,
 rejected
 man-made global warming fears in October 2009. Reid bluntly called the
 climate fear
 movement “a new religion that has grown out of secular humanism.” He
 explained that
 “Gore has taken a role corresponding to that of St Paul in proselytizing
 the new faith.”
 Reid explained: “My skepticism about AGW arises from the fact that as a
 physicist who
 has worked in closely related areas, I know how poor the underlying
 science is. In effect
 the scientific method has been abandoned in this field. Back in the early
 1990s when I
 was still working for the CSIRO and the early versions of the AGW theory
 started to gain
 currency, I was rather bemused by the passions which were aroused in my
 colleagues and
 the gullibility with which predictions of future climate disaster were
 accepted.” He
 added: “In effect a new religion has grown out of secular humanism. Global
 warming is
 the central tenet of this new belief system in much the same way that the
 Resurrection is
 the central tenet of Christianity. Al Gore has taken a role corresponding
 to that of St Paul
 in proselytizing the new faith.  Meteorologists regularly test
 model ‘skill’. Climatologists don’t seem to have a concept of testing, and
 prefer to use the term
 ‘verification’ instead—that is, they do not seek to invalidate their
 models; they only seek supporting evidence.”

 Take care,
 Max


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Around the world solar flight update

2015-03-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Huh?

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote:

 R works for M?

 On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 And you work for whom?

 On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  You must work for the gummint with those kind of calculations
 
  --R
 
 
 
  On 3/19/15 9:32 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
 
  A leisurely 50 mph by my calculations.  About the speed of a blimp but
  without the luxury of cabin service.
 
  On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
  mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  A leisurely pace.
 
  --R
 



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Around the world solar flight update

2015-03-19 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Well, yeah, that, but I am an independent ontapanure, and constructor of 
fine buildings and furniture.


--R (who is off to the dump shortly to deliver parts of the old kitchen 
I tore out yesterday, having made an earlier delivery Saturday)




On 3/19/15 9:51 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

R works for M?

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


And you work for whom?

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


You must work for the gummint with those kind of calculations

--R



On 3/19/15 9:32 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:


A leisurely 50 mph by my calculations.  About the speed of a blimp but
without the luxury of cabin service.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 A leisurely pace.

 --R


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

2015-03-19 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
I'm going to have to agree. Show me the warmth, show me the money. If I'm not 
experiencing warm weather I won't buy that the earth is warming. 
I was on board with global warming until recent weather patterns have caused 
massive doubt in my mind.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 19, 2015, at 9:48 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Andrew,
 
 The data is being cooked in order to keep the billions of research dollars
 flowing for global warming / climate change / anthropogenic global
 warming.  Past temperature data has either been adjusted to make the past
 colder (which means we MUST be warmer now, right) or past data which
 doesn't fit the models predictions is conveniently deleted from the
 computations...
 
 https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015/03/16/temperature-adjustments-at-uscrn1-stations/
 
 In case you've missed this in the past, here is a list of 1000 REAL
 scientists who disagree with the contention that CO2 is going to destroy
 the earth:
 
 http://cfact.org/pdf/2010_Senate_Minority_Report.pdf
 
 If you don't care to read all 321 pages of that report, here's just a
 sample of what is inside:
 
 Atmospheric Physicist Dr. John Reid, who worked with Australia’s CSIRO’s
 (Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization) Division of
 Oceanography and worked in surface gravity waves (ocean waves) research,
 rejected
 man-made global warming fears in October 2009. Reid bluntly called the
 climate fear
 movement “a new religion that has grown out of secular humanism.” He
 explained that
 “Gore has taken a role corresponding to that of St Paul in proselytizing
 the new faith.”
 Reid explained: “My skepticism about AGW arises from the fact that as a
 physicist who
 has worked in closely related areas, I know how poor the underlying science
 is. In effect
 the scientific method has been abandoned in this field. Back in the early
 1990s when I
 was still working for the CSIRO and the early versions of the AGW theory
 started to gain
 currency, I was rather bemused by the passions which were aroused in my
 colleagues and
 the gullibility with which predictions of future climate disaster were
 accepted.” He
 added: “In effect a new religion has grown out of secular humanism. Global
 warming is
 the central tenet of this new belief system in much the same way that the
 Resurrection is
 the central tenet of Christianity. Al Gore has taken a role corresponding
 to that of St Paul
 in proselytizing the new faith.  Meteorologists regularly test
 model ‘skill’. Climatologists don’t seem to have a concept of testing, and
 prefer to use the term
 ‘verification’ instead—that is, they do not seek to invalidate their
 models; they only seek supporting evidence.”
 
 Take care,
 Max
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Around the world solar flight update

2015-03-19 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Andy sez: A leisurely 50 mph by my calculations.  About the speed of 
a blimp but

without the luxury of cabin service.




BZT  WRONG!

read your own post Andrew.

The plane flies ideally
at around 25 knots, or 45 kph (28 mph).

Big difference between 28 and 50 mph.

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[MBZ] Unsubscribe or change delivery options?

2015-03-19 Thread ernest breakfield via Mercedes
sorry to bother all, but when i tried to research this in the archive, i 
got a coupla'-hunnert thousand results (that weren't sortable by date,...).


going to the URL listed at the bottom of every post takes me to a 
cPanel site that asks me for a password; how do i find out what my 
password is?



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Around the world solar flight update

2015-03-19 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

A leisurely pace.

--R



On 3/19/15 9:03 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

The plane flies ideally
at around 25 knots, or 45 kph (28 mph).



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

2015-03-19 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 09:58:14 -0400 dseretakis--- via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 I'm going to have to agree. Show me the warmth, show me the money. If
 I'm not experiencing warm weather I won't buy that the earth is
 warming. I was on board with global warming until recent weather
 patterns have caused massive doubt in my mind.

Glad to see you are keeping your thinking cap on and aren't buying the
Kool-Aid, Dimitri.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

2015-03-19 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
So today and tomorrow are supermoons or something (the vernal equinox) 
so the morning tides are really high.  My back yard is flooded more than 
usual today (and downtown Charleston is probably a swamp too).  I am 
thinking that if we get a bit more sea level rise I could put in a dock 
and run my yaks right off the back deck instead of driving over to Capn 
Sams Inlet.  I want to grow some mangoes too, it is a bit too chilly 
here for that.


--R

On 3/19/15 9:54 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Meade, there is far more money being spent by the polluters to fund climate
change deniers.  I j ust hope you don't own any beach property.



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[MBZ] OT Starbucks is in NASCAR now?

2015-03-19 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
I heard on the radio that Starbucks is getting into racing now, probably 
NASCAR and not that wimpy uropeen thing if they know what's good for 
them.  I guess instead of Winston Cup races they are going to have 
Starbucks Cup races or something, if I heard the story right.  Something 
about cups and racing anyway.  Sounds interesting, they must be 
expanding their target demographic.  Next thing you know they will have 
their stands at the Flying J right by the diesel pumps, a big rig 
drive-up or something.


So, anyway, if you go there you are supposed to ask the coffee bartender 
about it.


--R

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Re: [MBZ] The W115 Strikes Back

2015-03-19 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Yea that's pretty much all standard

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 19, 2015, at 12:01 AM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Sounds like a standard W115 300D to me, mine had all that and it wasn't
 special, well except for your special seats.
 
 On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 9:40 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
 AC, cruise, power window, sun roof, power steering, bundts, power lock,
 Grundig stereo radio/speakers, power antenna, dual side mirrors, fog
 lights.  I think it may have been upholstered in the foreskins of elephants
 based on the mold on the seats.  Oh, those were the SE seats.
 
 
 
 -- 
 OK Don
 
 NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!
 
 *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
 our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
 
 There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
 learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
 for themselves.
 
 WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
 2013 F150, 18 mpg
 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Car Search

2015-03-19 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

Break down and purchase an imperfect one.  Suddenly, the market will be
flooded with low mileage one-owner cars owned by legally blind little old
ladies who bought them for their looks and only wanted to pet and pamper
them.


Yep, Andrew understands Murphy and his Menehunes.   His method will 
work too.   'specially if you don't have money or time after the 
first purchase


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[MBZ] OT: Around the world solar flight update

2015-03-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Solar plane leaves India for next stop in Myanmar
http://click1.email.energyguardian.net/ylqvmfzbcwynqvvfnfqykncmgfnbqgmtwtlgwlqfsbckq_dggdhthdt.html?a=12546By
The Associated Press

NEW DELHI (AP) — A solar-powered airplane on a historic round-the-world
journey took offThursday from the northern Indian town of Varanasi and was
headed for its next stop in Myanmar.

Swiss pilots Bertrand Piccard and Andre Borschberg are taking turns flying
the aircraft as they attempt to circumnavigate the globe on the journey
that was expected to take five months.

The fuel-free aircraft, called the Solar Impulse 2, is powered by more than
17,000 solar cells on its wings that recharge the plane's batteries,
enabling it to fly during the day or night.

The single-seat Swiss-made plane was expected to land in Mandalay in
Myanmar later Thursday, taking nearly 16 hours to complete the 1,400
kilometer (870 mile) trip over the Bay of Bengal. The plane flies ideally
at around 25 knots, or 45 kph (28 mph).
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Re: [MBZ] Car Search

2015-03-19 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I found a couple of nice ones on Cars.com last night. Some Greek guy over in 
Tarpon Springs has both an S420 and S320 for sale. He wants stupid money for 
them, but they're both nice cars.

I am coming to the realization that my prior purchases, both at ridiculously 
low amounts, may be coloring my opinions about the market.  From what I am 
seeing, low mileage well cared for examples with provenance are selling upwards 
of $5k-$7k.  Sub $5k examples are noticeably lower in quality and in need of 
attention of some sort.

I wasn't prepared to drop this kind of coin on a 15+ year old car, but if 
that's the market, it's where I need to be if I want an exemplary example.

The S420 this guy has is a 1999 with 84k on the clock and looks very nice. He 
is asking $10,900. That's stupid money in my opinion.

The 1999 S320 that is in similar condition based on the pictures he sent me 
last night, along with 124k on the clock, is priced at $7,900.  I'm thinking 
$6,000, maybe $6,500.

I'll be looking at these over the weekend. Since this guy is 100% Greek, maybe 
I need Dimitri to come along and provide some Greek cred...

Dan

Sent from my iPad

 On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:53 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Break down and purchase an imperfect one.  Suddenly, the market will be 
 flooded with low mileage one-owner cars owned by legally blind little old 
 ladies who bought them for their looks and only wanted to pet and pamper them.
 
 On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 5:29 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 Of course!
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Mar 18, 2015, at 11:11 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
   I'm still at a loss to figure out why W140s are so hard to find...
 
  Dan
 
  Easy!  Murphy.   Stop looking so hard.  relax. When you don't need one, 
  they'll be everywhere.
 
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Re: [MBZ] The W115 Strikes Back

2015-03-19 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
There is some guy around here who begs on freecycle for e-waste all the 
time, I'm sure he has some backyard smelter thing going on.


--R



On 3/19/15 1:02 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Salvage the gold ---

On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 10:34 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:


  Sadly, there would be no value to the garbage inside the cases.

clay







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Re: [MBZ] OT: Around the world solar flight update

2015-03-19 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

You must work for the gummint with those kind of calculations

--R



On 3/19/15 9:32 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
A leisurely 50 mph by my calculations.  About the speed of a blimp but 
without the luxury of cabin service.


On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


A leisurely pace.

--R



On 3/19/15 9:03 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

The plane flies ideally
at around 25 knots, or 45 kph (28 mph).



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

2015-03-19 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 09:54:48 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Meade, there is far more money being spent by the polluters to fund
 climate change deniers.  I j ust hope you don't own any beach property.

Actually, Andrew, what he said is correct. The records are being cooked,
big time. There is a political agenda behind that activity.

If I had nothing else to do (HA!), I would detail more of the prostituting
of science in the name of that political agenda.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Juglans, wuz: Re: Nice 1984 300CD

2015-03-19 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Having been out of the airplane for 3 years while in engineering school at 
NC State U, I was required to attend B-52 combat crew training a second time 
at Atwater, CA, from July through Oct 1971 (first time July through Oct 
1962).
Across the street from where we lived in Atwater were large English walnut 
and almond orchards that appeared to have been abandoned.  Grass and weeds 
had fairly well taken them over, and we never saw anybody there; coupla For 
Sale signs were posted on the property.  Coupla days before departing in 
late Oct for my assignment at Kincheloe, MI, I walked over into the orchards 
and found the ground covered with beautiful almonds and walnuts, some of 
them obviously there for several days.  Late the afternoon before leaving, 
SWMBO, the 3 children and I went into the orchards and gathered up a 
significant box full of each.  Just before we left for MI the next day, our 
land lady came to wish us well and to present us a gift - another 
significant box each of the nuts.  I tried to tell her that I was  very 
appreciative,  but we had scrounged (swiped/stolen) some from the orchards 
across the street the day before and that she should keep them for herself. 
She replied, That's where I got these!  Here, please take 'em I picked them 
up for you.  The land has been sold; they're ripping out all of the trees 
and gonna build houses there.  I thanked her profusely, put 'em in the car 
and drove away with well over a bushel of each.  We shelled and enjoyed 
almonds and English walnuts for months.


BTW, in July of '72. when I went  back through there for D-model (B-52D, 
that is) difference training en route to war in SE Asia, all of the trees 
were gone and the area was nearly filled with houses


Wilton

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Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Juglans, wuz: Re: Nice 1984 300CD



On Wed, 18 Mar 2015 09:48:55 -0500 Curly McLain via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


So, is there a difference between the eastern and western varieties?

--R

there is no western variety.  Eastern Black Walnut, Juglans Nigra
or the carpathian walnut, aka english walnut, persian walnut, etc.
Juglans Regia

Carpathian walnuts are grown in Kollyfornia.  They try to make
believe it is the only walnut.  Black walnuts are way better tasting.


When we lived in the San Luis Obispo area, one of the back roads had
volunteer black walnut trees along the fence lines. A lot of the nuts
fell onto the county right-of-way. We picked up a number of them in paper
shopping bags and took them home.

Shirley's method of cracking them was a plastic pan about 10x14x5H, a
brick, and a hammer. It was not an easy task cracking them. Definitely
black walnut, juglans nigra.


Craig

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[MBZ] '99 E320 Wagon for Sale

2015-03-19 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
http://inventory.atlanticmotorcar.com/web/used/Mercedes-Benz-E-Class-AWD-1999-Wiscasset-ME/20481055/
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Re: [MBZ] '99 E320 Wagon for Sale

2015-03-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Nothing more boring than a gas-fueled station wagon.

Andrew
two (2) W123 300TD turbodiesel wagons

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 http://inventory.atlanticmotorcar.com/web/used/Mercedes-Benz-E-Class-AWD-1999-Wiscasset-ME/20481055/
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[MBZ] My new car! was RE: Car Search

2015-03-19 Thread Donald Snook via Mercedes
Dan wrote:   I've pretty much decided it's a W140 or nothing, so the E55 is 
out the window.  I've put searches in for W140s in Tulsa, OK City and 
Charleston.  If I see anything pop up I'll be in touch.  Sadly, the initial 
searches yielded pretty much nothing.  I'm still at a loss to figure out why 
W140s are so hard to find... 

I feel your pain!  I have been on the search for either a 97-99 S Class (just 
like you) or another 7 series BMW.I did finally strike gold!   Yesterday I 
bought a 2001 BMW 740iL with 115,000 miles -- 2 owner. The first had it for 8 
years and the second for 6 years.  The seller has only put on 25,000 in the 
last 6 years.  During that time he also had the 100,000 mile service done at 
the BMW dealer and they did EVERYTHING.  Poor guy.  

Anyway, I am having to have it shipped from Nashville to Wichita in an enclosed 
trailer.   I am excited because it has such low miles (compared to my previous 
cars).  My current BMW has 217,000 miles.   

Don Snook 
2000 BMW 740iL  217K 
2006 Cadillac SRX (Her car) 
2001 BMW 740iL  (in transit) 






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Re: [MBZ] Juglans, wuz: Re: Nice 1984 300CD

2015-03-19 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
I remember playing base ball with the greenuns several times - green 
walnuts for the ball; piecea whatever was available (oak, hickory, pine) 
for the bat.  I still enjoy innovating, but being poor is a much stronger 
incentive to do it.


Wilton

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Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Juglans, wuz: Re: Nice 1984 300CD


When I was a kid we would collect them and put them in the gravel driveway 
or side road and let the cars run over them awhile.  You have to get them 
when the husks are all brown and rotted, the green husks are like bowling 
balls.  My granddaddy, who probably had some sort of OCD, would then spend 
hours going at them with a hammer and whatever else to get a small 
bowlfull of them, which my grandmother would use to make cookies that 
vanished immediately.


--R



On 3/18/15 11:07 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:

Let 'em dry, they'll come right off.

Wilton

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mercedes@okiebenz.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Juglans, wuz: Re: Nice 1984 300CD



How do you remove the husks before cracking them?

On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com

wrote:


On Wed, 18 Mar 2015 09:48:55 -0500 Curly McLain via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 So, is there a difference between the eastern and western varieties?
 
 --R

 there is no western variety.  Eastern Black Walnut, Juglans Nigra
 or the carpathian walnut, aka english walnut, persian walnut, etc.
 Juglans Regia

 Carpathian walnuts are grown in Kollyfornia.  They try to make
 believe it is the only walnut.  Black walnuts are way better tasting.

When we lived in the San Luis Obispo area, one of the back roads had
volunteer black walnut trees along the fence lines. A lot of the nuts
fell onto the county right-of-way. We picked up a number of them in 
paper

shopping bags and took them home.

Shirley's method of cracking them was a plastic pan about 10x14x5H, 
a

brick, and a hammer. It was not an easy task cracking them. Definitely
black walnut, juglans nigra.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] My new car! was RE: Car Search

2015-03-19 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Congrats, Donald, glad you found something you like.  Sounds like a nice 
example. So what are you doing with your existing 740?

As I opined earlier today, I think part of my problem is my past luck in 
finding nice, well kept examples cheap.  As I expand my search I'm finding that 
the decent ones are north of $5,000, more than I had been previously 
considering.  Looks like it's time to open the wallet and accept that the ones 
I have were anomalies due to luck or circumstance.

There are two what appear to be nice prospects I'll be looking at this weekend. 
Maybe I'll get lucky as well. If not, I'm sure the right car will eventually 
come my way.

Pictures?

Dan

Sent from my iPad

 On Mar 19, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Donald Snook d...@snooklawllc.com wrote:
 
 Dan wrote:   I've pretty much decided it's a W140 or nothing, so the E55 is 
 out the window.  I've put searches in for W140s in Tulsa, OK City and 
 Charleston.  If I see anything pop up I'll be in touch.  Sadly, the initial 
 searches yielded pretty much nothing.  I'm still at a loss to figure out why 
 W140s are so hard to find... 
 
 I feel your pain!  I have been on the search for either a 97-99 S Class (just 
 like you) or another 7 series BMW.I did finally strike gold!   Yesterday 
 I bought a 2001 BMW 740iL with 115,000 miles -- 2 owner. The first had it for 
 8 years and the second for 6 years.  The seller has only put on 25,000 in the 
 last 6 years.  During that time he also had the 100,000 mile service done at 
 the BMW dealer and they did EVERYTHING.  Poor guy.  
 
 Anyway, I am having to have it shipped from Nashville to Wichita in an 
 enclosed trailer.   I am excited because it has such low miles (compared to 
 my previous cars).  My current BMW has 217,000 miles.   
 
 Don Snook 
 2000 BMW 740iL  217K 
 2006 Cadillac SRX (Her car) 
 2001 BMW 740iL  (in transit) 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

2015-03-19 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
In my mind what really seals it are two things: (1) the absolute demonizing
and *ad hominem *attacks on those who question global warming, and (2)
the attempts to suppress publication of scientific studies which don't
support the global warming narrative.

Add to that the proposed solutions all increase government, taxes,
regulations, and energy costs for the consumer, CO2 is plant food and
absolutely vital for life as we know it, and the climate has NEVER been
stable, and it becomes quite easy to recognize the fraud and decide to
fight it.

-Max
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Re: [MBZ] The W115 Strikes Back

2015-03-19 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

Yea that's pretty much all standard


My 115 has none of that, except the fog lights which are
part of the headlight assembly anyway.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT Starbucks is in NASCAR now?

2015-03-19 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
Starbux makes my heart race. Coffee too strong. Yuck.

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 On Mar 19, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 HA!  I can just picture Bubba asking Barista-Babe about racing and the
 interesting exchange that will follow.
 
 -
 Max where's my espresso?
 Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

2015-03-19 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
I have a pretty decent background in science. In a prior life I did a good 
amount of research and have a healthy list of publications to prove it 
including first authorship in JAMA, the findings of which were published in 
TIME and first page Wall Street Journal. I'm no novice to how statistical 
manipulation of data can skew results.
I will not believe that the world is warming unless I see it with my own eyes.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 19, 2015, at 10:10 AM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 09:58:14 -0400 dseretakis--- via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 I'm going to have to agree. Show me the warmth, show me the money. If
 I'm not experiencing warm weather I won't buy that the earth is
 warming. I was on board with global warming until recent weather
 patterns have caused massive doubt in my mind.
 
 Glad to see you are keeping your thinking cap on and aren't buying the
 Kool-Aid, Dimitri.
 
 
 Craig
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Starbucks is in NASCAR now?

2015-03-19 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
HA!  I can just picture Bubba asking Barista-Babe about racing and the
interesting exchange that will follow.

-
Max where's my espresso?
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

2015-03-19 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
From: fredh.s...@hotmail.com




Didn't Krakatoa induce a mini ice age in the early middle ages?

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 15:01:58 -0400
 To: diese...@pisquared.net; mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 
 Only if we enter an age of extreme volcanism.
 
 On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
  On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 10:51:56 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
  mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
   Nothing we do is going to make much difference, IF it is a matter of
   oil consumption etc, so long as places like China and India keep on as
   they are. Sending them truck loads of our money in order to pursuade
   them not to pollute is not likely to do much for either them or us.
 
  Volcanoes dwarf anything man could think of doing.
 
 
  Craig

  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

2015-03-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Only if we enter an age of extreme volcanism.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 10:51:56 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  Nothing we do is going to make much difference, IF it is a matter of
  oil consumption etc, so long as places like China and India keep on as
  they are. Sending them truck loads of our money in order to pursuade
  them not to pollute is not likely to do much for either them or us.

 Volcanoes dwarf anything man could think of doing.


 Craig

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[MBZ] ?

2015-03-19 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Wilt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

2015-03-19 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 10:51:56 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Nothing we do is going to make much difference, IF it is a matter of
 oil consumption etc, so long as places like China and India keep on as
 they are. Sending them truck loads of our money in order to pursuade
 them not to pollute is not likely to do much for either them or us.

Volcanoes dwarf anything man could think of doing.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

2015-03-19 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes


Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

From: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
To: diese...@pisquared.net
Subject: RE: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 20:31:31 +




Doh! CRS!

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 14:01:50 -0600
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 
 On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 19:12:18 + Fred Moir via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  Didn't Krakatoa induce a mini ice age in the early middle ages?
 
 Krakatoa blew in August, 1883.
 
 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1883_eruption_of_Krakatoa
 
 
 Craig
 
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[MBZ] My florida tour has come to an end

2015-03-19 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
I've been down in Florida since last Monday for work.  We did a test drive
for work, driving a loop around most of the state:  Jacksonville - Daytona
Beach (during bike week) - St. Petersburg - Naples - Miami Beach -
Cocoa Beach - Jacksonville.

Highlights of the trip were visiting folks along the way.  Had a great
dinner with Dan Penoff and his son Stu, and got to treat them to a ride in
a Maybach.  Dan and I haven't seen each other since the days of the Rusty
Qs and it was great to catch up and share stories.

Next up was Miami Beach for four nights, which meant visiting with Gary
Hurst.  We shared a few meals and drove around quite a bit.  Gary in
person, for those who haven't met him, is great experience.  I always look
forward to seeing him.

And finally I had dinner with Pierre Hedary and his sister Marie on
Tuesday, followed by a visit to his shop on Wednesday with the Germans.
They're both gracious hosts and we had a great time.  I could hang out
there for a week I think.  His shop holds many treasures, including a 1967
300SEL, very similar to my car.

I'm a bit surprised by my busy social calendar over the trip... its a
reminder of what kind of community our hobby can create.

Jaime



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Re: [MBZ] ?

2015-03-19 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
???

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 ??




-- 
OK Don

NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves.

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

2015-03-19 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Eighteen hundred and froze to death?

Curt

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Re: [MBZ] ?

2015-03-19 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I just finished a class at the UN. Got a pic on the floor of the general 
Assembly.

Curt

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Re: [MBZ] ?

2015-03-19 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Did you go to the lectern and take your shoe off and pound it on the 
top?  THAT would have been funny as hell.  You could also stand up and 
denounce imperialist hegemonists.


--R



On 3/19/15 4:37 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I just finished a class at the UN. Got a pic on the floor of the general 
Assembly.

Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

2015-03-19 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Ad hominem occurs from both political persuasions.
There are zero solutions, however, we could agree that we are persons
that all desire to continue to live.  Those with money cannot continue
to make money if we do not purchase stuff, yet, we all need to
purchase stuff.  I drive a 30 year old used car and buy used USA made
stuff on purpose.  On purpose I do not purchase items made in china.
The Empire is dead.  USA and tenticles worldwide make the Empire a
world failure.
Again, there is zero solution.
mao

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[MBZ] CD player for my W123

2015-03-19 Thread G. M. Brown via Mercedes
Am considering a move into the 21st century for my W123 and would like to find 
if any of you have installed/added a CD player while maintaining the Becker 
Grand Prix electronic radio.  TIA.

G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

2015-03-19 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
And selling them our oil doesn't help either.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 19, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Nothing we do is going to make much difference, IF it is a matter of oil 
 consumption etc, so long as places like China and India keep on as they are. 
 Sending them truck loads of our money in order to pursuade them not to 
 pollute is not likely to do much for either them or us.
 
 RB
 
 On 19/03/2015 10:36 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
 I think there are 3 issues here that are getting muddled in all the chaff.  
 First is whether the planet is warming up.  Second is what the cause of (1) 
 might be if it is happening.  Third then is what to do about it.
 
 1) is probably true, overall, it has been happening for quite some time, at 
 least since the last ice age.
 
 2) it makes some sense that putting stuff into the atmosphere (humans, 
 volcanoes, cowfarts, etc.) probably has some effect on (1), but then there 
 is old mister sun too, who has been around awhile
 
 3) what annoys a lot of deniers is that the schemes so far seem to involve 
 raising taxes and shoveling lots of money to whack schemes, campaign donors, 
 turd-world kleptocrats, and various other leeches, in addition to various 
 alternative energy and behavior schemes that might or might not involve the 
 previously-mentioned miscreants and a diminishment of personal freedoms.
 
 I heard on the radio this morning that the esteemed president is going to 
 announce something the gummint is going to do to reduce global warming 
 emissions or something, this coming a few days after he and his lovely bride 
 took separate big ol airplane rides out to California, to pretty much the 
 same place at the same time, to be on 2 different TV shows.  Very Important 
 Stuff.  Plus now she is over in Japan talking to school kids about Something 
 Else Important no doubt, having taken the big ol airplane over again, and he 
 has flown off again to do a campaign speech or fundraiser again or something 
 equally important.  So, that sorta has an effect on my views on the matter...
 
 --R
 
 
 
 
 On 3/19/15 10:25 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:
 I have a pretty decent background in science. In a prior life I did a good 
 amount of research and have a healthy list of publications to prove it 
 including first authorship in JAMA, the findings of which were published in 
 TIME and first page Wall Street Journal. I'm no novice to how statistical 
 manipulation of data can skew results.
 I will not believe that the world is warming unless I see it with my own 
 eyes.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] The W115 Strikes Back

2015-03-19 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
My 76 has all but the bundts and the radio and antenna. No idea what 
radio was in to begin with. It had a bad aftermarket one when I got it 
and now it has a hole where that used to be.
I have a couple of decent aftermarket ones I could install but have yet 
to do so.


RB

On 19/03/2015 12:01 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Sounds like a standard W115 300D to me, mine had all that and it wasn't
special, well except for your special seats.

On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 9:40 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:


AC, cruise, power window, sun roof, power steering, bundts, power lock,
Grundig stereo radio/speakers, power antenna, dual side mirrors, fog
lights.  I think it may have been upholstered in the foreskins of elephants
based on the mold on the seats.  Oh, those were the SE seats.







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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

2015-03-19 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Craig wrote:
If I had nothing else to do (HA!), I would detail more of the prostituting
of science in the name of that political agenda.


‎It is all about passing Cap and Trade, which is nothing but a massive 
transference of wealth from the middle and upper middle class to the ultra 
wealthy.
When it is passed it will raise fossil fuel prices (electricity, diesel fuel, 
gasoline) through the roof, and push whatever manufacturing is left in the US, 
overseas.  

Is the climate changing? 
Probably.  
Is Cap and Trade going to fix it?
Unless it can alter the earth's orbit, axis wobble, and solar activity, 
probably not. 

Notice I wrote when it is passed, not if. They (the CO2 is climate change 
crowd) will get what they want, and after they do, they will be negatively 
affected them most. 
Poetic justice, comic irony, call it what you will, it will not be pretty. 

Interesting video. I hope everyone watches it. 

http://youtu.be/fVW9g9JVCY4

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

2015-03-19 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Nothing we do is going to make much difference, IF it is a matter of oil 
consumption etc, so long as places like China and India keep on as they 
are. Sending them truck loads of our money in order to pursuade them not 
to pollute is not likely to do much for either them or us.


RB

On 19/03/2015 10:36 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
I think there are 3 issues here that are getting muddled in all the 
chaff.  First is whether the planet is warming up.  Second is what the 
cause of (1) might be if it is happening.  Third then is what to do 
about it.


1) is probably true, overall, it has been happening for quite some 
time, at least since the last ice age.


2) it makes some sense that putting stuff into the atmosphere (humans, 
volcanoes, cowfarts, etc.) probably has some effect on (1), but then 
there is old mister sun too, who has been around awhile


3) what annoys a lot of deniers is that the schemes so far seem to 
involve raising taxes and shoveling lots of money to whack schemes, 
campaign donors, turd-world kleptocrats, and various other leeches, in 
addition to various alternative energy and behavior schemes that might 
or might not involve the previously-mentioned miscreants and a 
diminishment of personal freedoms.


I heard on the radio this morning that the esteemed president is going 
to announce something the gummint is going to do to reduce global 
warming emissions or something, this coming a few days after he and 
his lovely bride took separate big ol airplane rides out to 
California, to pretty much the same place at the same time, to be on 2 
different TV shows.  Very Important Stuff.  Plus now she is over in 
Japan talking to school kids about Something Else Important no doubt, 
having taken the big ol airplane over again, and he has flown off 
again to do a campaign speech or fundraiser again or something equally 
important.  So, that sorta has an effect on my views on the matter...


--R




On 3/19/15 10:25 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:
I have a pretty decent background in science. In a prior life I did a 
good amount of research and have a healthy list of publications to 
prove it including first authorship in JAMA, the findings of which 
were published in TIME and first page Wall Street Journal. I'm no 
novice to how statistical manipulation of data can skew results.
I will not believe that the world is warming unless I see it with my 
own eyes.



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

2015-03-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Spoiler alert:  The moon walk was also a government con!

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 In my mind what really seals it are two things: (1) the absolute demonizing
 and *ad hominem *attacks on those who question global warming, and (2)
 the attempts to suppress publication of scientific studies which don't
 support the global warming narrative.

 Add to that the proposed solutions all increase government, taxes,
 regulations, and energy costs for the consumer, CO2 is plant food and
 absolutely vital for life as we know it, and the climate has NEVER been
 stable, and it becomes quite easy to recognize the fraud and decide to
 fight it.

 -Max
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

2015-03-19 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
I think there are 3 issues here that are getting muddled in all the 
chaff.  First is whether the planet is warming up.  Second is what the 
cause of (1) might be if it is happening.  Third then is what to do 
about it.


1) is probably true, overall, it has been happening for quite some time, 
at least since the last ice age.


2) it makes some sense that putting stuff into the atmosphere (humans, 
volcanoes, cowfarts, etc.) probably has some effect on (1), but then 
there is old mister sun too, who has been around awhile


3) what annoys a lot of deniers is that the schemes so far seem to 
involve raising taxes and shoveling lots of money to whack schemes, 
campaign donors, turd-world kleptocrats, and various other leeches, in 
addition to various alternative energy and behavior schemes that might 
or might not involve the previously-mentioned miscreants and a 
diminishment of personal freedoms.


I heard on the radio this morning that the esteemed president is going 
to announce something the gummint is going to do to reduce global 
warming emissions or something, this coming a few days after he and his 
lovely bride took separate big ol airplane rides out to California, to 
pretty much the same place at the same time, to be on 2 different TV 
shows.  Very Important Stuff.  Plus now she is over in Japan talking to 
school kids about Something Else Important no doubt, having taken the 
big ol airplane over again, and he has flown off again to do a campaign 
speech or fundraiser again or something equally important.  So, that 
sorta has an effect on my views on the matter...


--R




On 3/19/15 10:25 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:

I have a pretty decent background in science. In a prior life I did a good 
amount of research and have a healthy list of publications to prove it 
including first authorship in JAMA, the findings of which were published in 
TIME and first page Wall Street Journal. I'm no novice to how statistical 
manipulation of data can skew results.
I will not believe that the world is warming unless I see it with my own eyes.



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Re: [MBZ] The W115 Strikes Back

2015-03-19 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 19/03/2015 9:22 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

Yea that's pretty much all standard


My 115 has none of that, except the fog lights which are
part of the headlight assembly anyway.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT Starbucks is in NASCAR now?

2015-03-19 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Youngest son's first Starbucks mocha:

Yuck! Is it me, or does this stuff taste burned?

Yeah, that's my boy Appreciates a good espresso at his age

Dan

Sent from my iPad

 On Mar 19, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 HA!  I can just picture Bubba asking Barista-Babe about racing and the
 interesting exchange that will follow.
 
 -
 Max where's my espresso?
 Charleston SC
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