Re: [MBZ] How to rebuild hydraulic lifters

2015-06-04 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
Thanks for the early Atta whatzit.No pictures yet.The lifters are a mixed lot 
of 20 that I'm using for practice. Some are clean and almost dry and some are 
partially filled with black guck.I'll post more as the experiment continues.

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 19:11:39 -0400
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] How to rebuild hydraulic lifters
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: dillonm...@gmail.com
 
 Awesome!  Pictures?
 
 How do the innards look, clean/dirty wise? 
 -- 
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Another Car for Mao

2015-06-04 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
More info found.
Evidently this is common taxi in Urup.

http://en.vindecoder.pl/WDB1241201A007599

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/227519-87-300d-4-cylinder-5-speed-manual.html

mao

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Re: [MBZ] Another Car for Mao

2015-06-04 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Dealer dookie.  They have to make a special request for it, like any non-North 
American part, which they can do as a list or individual part.  My dealer did 
it several times for me.

As a matter of fact, they’re doing it right now.

My R129 (1997 SL500) has a very expensive and poorly engineered interior rear 
view mirror.  Along with all the fancy (and now worthless) electronics in it, 
such as a programmable garage door opener, it has two very strong springs that 
hold the ball in the socket that the mirror swivels on.  These springs are so 
powerful that over time they stress the plastic cover to the point where the 
plastic tangs that anchor the ends of the springs break, relieving the spring 
pressure, allowing the mirror to swing wildly on the ball because there is no 
longer any resistance being applied to it.  There is no kludge for this, the 
mirror is now totally worthless (as a mirror.)

Here’s the kicker:  MY price is almost $1,000.00.  Yes, that’s MY price, which 
is wholesale.

But - there’s a workaround:

The only place they used this stupidly expensive and poorly engineered rear 
view mirror was - you guessed it - the good old US of A.  What did they use in 
the rest of the world?  A similar mirror that was more robust and had none of 
the electronics in it.

My cost:  $245.00.

I identified the part, went to my dealer, they placed the order and I expect it 
to be here from Germany early next week.  No questions, no problem.

Give me the license plate frame part number and I’ll bet I can get one.  The 
only possibility where they would potentially deny it would be if it’s 
considered a regional safety item, that is, an option that’s in the safety and 
security groups for a specific country or part of the world.

Dan

 On Jun 4, 2015, at 8:14 PM, MG via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 I tried to buy the front bumper bracket to hold a euro license plate. Was 
 told that MB would not send them over here. The dealer's service dept had 
 tried to get one a couple of years ago when one of the mechanics damaged one 
 on a customer's car, even there MB would not send a replacement. What a great 
 company.
 
 Manfred


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[MBZ] He smoked some okie meth

2015-06-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
If you are trying to sell a car like this for this much at least put more than 
2 photos.

1976 Mercedes
http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/5058359788.html

via cPro Craigslist App
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Kleb - Here's the S600 You Missed!!!

2015-06-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Yea that's got to be it, sure was not as described to me by the seller, who 
said there were no warning or check engine lights on when I asked. It sounds 
like it's probably going to need a wiring harness and both the throttle 
actuator things replaced, the cost of the parts alone is well over the purchase 
price of the car. Still sort of wish I had not screwed around and missed it. Oh 
well.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 4, 2015, at 7:31 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w140-s-class/2373409-s600-1995-new-owner.html#post12184921
 
 I’m pretty sure this is it.
 
 Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Andrew's shed

2015-06-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
It's a simple 10 x 14 shed, not a garage.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 7:25 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip4gSOTyPrs ?
 -Curt

   From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Cc: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
  Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 6:06 PM
  Subject: [MBZ] Andrew's shed

 Do the powers that be require a concrete foundation in your locale?

 My plan is to build a new and bigger shed - probably one that looks like
 a small barn in order to get the storage room in the loft area. The one
 we have now is one of those flimsy steel bolt together things and has no
 ready means of attaching shelving etc.
 I  plan to make it in panels that will bolt together in case I ever
 decide to remove it from the property.
 Thus, no concrete floor. It will sit on pads.

 RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

2015-06-04 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Garage...
  From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
 To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 8:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor
   
Dimitri's what is beautiful?



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mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

Dimitri's? Its beautiful...

-Curt

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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

I wanna see pictures of the new 4 car garage



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[MBZ] OFFLIST Re: There! I fixed it!!!

2015-06-04 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 18:08:17 -0600 Craig via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 17:33:06 -0500 Curly McLain via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  Way cool!  I really would like a how to write up to go with the 
  picture so i can do it WHEN needed (not if)...  or send it to some 
  one else if one of #1 daughter's cars need it since i am too far away 
  and since she is mechanically/electrically inept.
 
 There isn't much to a how to.
   ...
 Is that sufficient?

Loren,

You didn't answer my question.

Do you have enough information from my on-list reply to be able
to do it yourself?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Andrew's shed

2015-06-04 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
For future construction, I would like to recommend that you look at using a
coloring agent for the concrete pad. The concrete is then the same color
throughout the entire pour, No paint to flake or chip in the future.

At the proper time in the concrete cure cycle, use a concrete sealer, which
goes on looking milky, but is absorbed into the pores of the concrete and
very nicely resists stains and discolorations which happen to bare unsealed
concrete.

Cost of sealer is generally much less than paint, certainly much less than
epoxy, and gives the concrete a finished look when used over colored
concrete.

The color agent used to make colored concrete is usually a powder additive
to the concrete, much the consistancy of tile grout material. There is a
pretty decent range of colors to choose from also.


On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 5:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 It's a simple 10 x 14 shed, not a garage.

 On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 7:25 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  Like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip4gSOTyPrs ?
  -Curt
 
From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
   To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Cc: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
   Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 6:06 PM
   Subject: [MBZ] Andrew's shed
 
  Do the powers that be require a concrete foundation in your locale?
 
  My plan is to build a new and bigger shed - probably one that looks like
  a small barn in order to get the storage room in the loft area. The one
  we have now is one of those flimsy steel bolt together things and has no
  ready means of attaching shelving etc.
  I  plan to make it in panels that will bolt together in case I ever
  decide to remove it from the property.
  Thus, no concrete floor. It will sit on pads.
 
  RB
 
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[MBZ] Hey Kleb - Here's the S600 You Missed!!!

2015-06-04 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w140-s-class/2373409-s600-1995-new-owner.html#post12184921

I’m pretty sure this is it.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Kleb - Here's the S600 You Missed!!!

2015-06-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
You were lucky to dodge THAT bullet.  What a nightmare's list of honey-doos.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Yea that's got to be it, sure was not as described to me by the seller,
 who said there were no warning or check engine lights on when I asked. It
 sounds like it's probably going to need a wiring harness and both the
 throttle actuator things replaced, the cost of the parts alone is well over
 the purchase price of the car. Still sort of wish I had not screwed around
 and missed it. Oh well.

 Sent from my iPhone

  On Jun 4, 2015, at 7:31 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w140-s-class/2373409-s600-1995-new-owner.html#post12184921
 
  I’m pretty sure this is it.
 
  Dan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

2015-06-04 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
My parents bought a five gallon pail of some clear, volatile/smelly concrete
sealant made by BASF, had a gallon or so left after putting two coats on their
new 24x40 garage. Unfortunately, they took the leftover stuff to the county's
annual 'free toxic waste recycling day', so I can neither use it on my garage
floor nor tell you the product number. 

Slab was poured over a packed sand base 4-5 years ago. 
No known problems due to the coating, other than it's a bit slick when wet.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Another Car for Mao

2015-06-04 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


 On June 4, 2015 at 8:03 PM Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
 
 More info found.
 Evidently this is common taxi in Urup.
 


Some of the cheapest W124s around yerp were 200Ds. 
Leading to a certain amount of silliness among the younger set when they hit the
bottom of the depreciation cycle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWPw_oe5VFQ

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Re: [MBZ] Another Car for Mao

2015-06-04 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I tried to buy the front bumper bracket to hold a euro license 
plate. Was told that MB would not send them over here. The dealer's 
service dept had tried to get one a couple of years ago when one of 
the mechanics damaged one on a customer's car, even there MB would 
not send a replacement. What a great company.


Manfred


MomBUSA has a heavy hand and wears a bow tie.

Try fleabay.de or a euro MB forum.  Alex may have some pointers for 
sourrces.  You could try Hendrik or John or Davidie in OZ also.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

2015-06-04 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

Dimitri's? Its beautiful...

-Curt


naaa  andrew's.  The one that matches his new shed

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

2015-06-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Tidy?  Huge?  Heated??

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Garage...
   From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
  To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 8:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

 Dimitri's what is beautiful?



 On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Dimitri's? Its beautiful...

 -Curt

   From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com
  Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 5:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

 I wanna see pictures of the new 4 car garage



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

2015-06-04 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

Use some concrete stain, you can get lots of colors and it won't come off

--R



On 6/4/15 3:58 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
Physics'ill work EVERY TIME.  Did y'all catch what I said about that 
slab in the MOJAVE DESERT?  This one's in MARYLAND, isn't it?  Ya 
can't stop Mother Nature.  You can only be aware of it's influence and 
manage it's effect on ya life.  I have spoken.


Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor


There is no vapor barrier but the contractor says it'll be ok to 
paint it.


NO SKIN OFF HIS BACK WHEN THE PAINT PEELS

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[MBZ] Andrew's shed

2015-06-04 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

Do the powers that be require a concrete foundation in your locale?

My plan is to build a new and bigger shed - probably one that looks like 
a small barn in order to get the storage room in the loft area. The one 
we have now is one of those flimsy steel bolt together things and has no 
ready means of attaching shelving etc.
I  plan to make it in panels that will bolt together in case I ever 
decide to remove it from the property.

Thus, no concrete floor. It will sit on pads.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

2015-06-04 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Make sure it's short pile and porous - not on a solid sheet of plastic.  Ya 
gotta let the moisture escape to atmosphere.


Wilton

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Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor



I like Wilton's idea - I/O carpet.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


Use some concrete stain, you can get lots of colors and it won't come off


--R



or exposed aggregate.  If the concrete is still fresh, you can do that
with acid and a burlap bag  (tater sack)  Normally it is done when the
concrete is set but not hard.  At that time you wash away the top of the
concrete to expose the aggregate.

If you use a washed river rock or pea gravel for aggregate, it can be 
very

attractive.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

2015-06-04 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

Use some concrete stain, you can get lots of colors and it won't come off

--R



or exposed aggregate.  If the concrete is still fresh, you can do 
that with acid and a burlap bag  (tater sack)  Normally it is done 
when the concrete is set but not hard.  At that time you wash away 
the top of the concrete to expose the aggregate.


If you use a washed river rock or pea gravel for aggregate, it can be 
very attractive.


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Re: [MBZ] How to rebuild hydraulic lifters

2015-06-04 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
Interim report.The method demonstrated in the video did not work for me, as I 
could not get them to separate.So, in best english fashion, I had to make-do 
and make a tool.The tool is a 2 ft long piece of 1x3 oak and holds the lifter 
in a simple clamp, open side down. A few whacks on the bench and the valve pops 
out.The wrists on the guy in the vid must have been strengthened by many short 
stroke oscillations.YMMVFred.

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 14:23:35 -0400
 From: dillonm...@gmail.com
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: [MBZ] How to rebuild hydraulic lifters
 
 Found this in a post on peach parts.
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySf0r8GGMOYfeature=youtu.be
 
 Looks interesting, but I wouldn't completely fill each lifter with oil
 before installing.  I've had to fight through an over-filled lifter before,
 it would be better to install them flat and let them inflate to proper
 height in-situ.
 Max
 Charleston SC
  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

2015-06-04 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

I wanna see pictures of the new 4 car garage

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

2015-06-04 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

What will you store in the shed?
I always end up with an oily mess under things like the snowblower and 
rototiller.


IF you insist upon painting, my suggestion is to put down some plywood 
on top of the concrete and paint the plywood.


RB

On 04/06/2015 3:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I like Wilton's idea - I/O carpet.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


Use some concrete stain, you can get lots of colors and it won't come off

--R



or exposed aggregate.  If the concrete is still fresh, you can do that
with acid and a burlap bag  (tater sack)  Normally it is done when the
concrete is set but not hard.  At that time you wash away the top of the
concrete to expose the aggregate.

If you use a washed river rock or pea gravel for aggregate, it can be very
attractive.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

2015-06-04 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Its probably going to be tough to keep any coating on the concrete. Look for 
something specific for concrete. I know POR15 is supposed to be good for it but 
you'll spend $$$.
-Curt

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Not on top - not sure about beneath.  It was poured by a licensed
contractor.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Our new garden shed is up, built on a concrete slab.  What sort of paint
 should we use on the floor - or is there a better option?


 Does the concrete have a vapor barrier (heavy plastic sheet) underneath?

 Any sealer on top?

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Re: [MBZ] Another Car for Mao

2015-06-04 Thread MG via Mercedes
I tried to buy the front bumper bracket to hold a euro license 
plate. Was told that MB would not send them over here. The 
dealer's service dept had tried to get one a couple of years ago 
when one of the mechanics damaged one on a customer's car, even 
there MB would not send a replacement. What a great company.


Manfred



Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2015 13:10:05 -0400
From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Car for Mao

Unlikely.

While the North America dealers may not have it in their EPC, as long as you 
can identify part numbers they can order them.

Nearly everything on the car with the exception of the engine would have been 
available on this side of the pond anyway.

When I had the 1984 250LWB (Euro spec W123) I had no problems getting engine 
parts, or for that matter, anything else. The only thing in that car that was 
not in the NA market was the engine (M123) and the body sections for the LWB 
part. Everything else was common W123 stuff.

Dan



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Re: [MBZ] How to rebuild hydraulic lifters

2015-06-04 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

ATTABOY!

You shoulda seen the tools and jigs we made in Greenland to help us in 
rebuilding 10 LARGE (well, I thought they were large then) Diesel generator 
engines.


Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] How to rebuild hydraulic lifters


Interim report.The method demonstrated in the video did not work for me, 
as I could not get them to separate.So, in best english fashion, I had to 
make-do and make a tool.The tool is a 2 ft long piece of 1x3 oak and holds 
the lifter in a simple clamp, open side down. A few whacks on the bench 
and the valve pops out.The wrists on the guy in the vid must have been 
strengthened by many short stroke oscillations.YMMVFred.


Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.


Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 14:23:35 -0400
From: dillonm...@gmail.com
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] How to rebuild hydraulic lifters

Found this in a post on peach parts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySf0r8GGMOYfeature=youtu.be

Looks interesting, but I wouldn't completely fill each lifter with oil
before installing.  I've had to fight through an over-filled lifter 
before,

it would be better to install them flat and let them inflate to proper
height in-situ.
Max
Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] How to rebuild hydraulic lifters

2015-06-04 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Awesome!  Pictures?

How do the innards look, clean/dirty wise? 
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Andrew's shed

2015-06-04 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip4gSOTyPrs ?
-Curt

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Cc: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca 
 Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 6:06 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Andrew's shed
   
Do the powers that be require a concrete foundation in your locale?

My plan is to build a new and bigger shed - probably one that looks like 
a small barn in order to get the storage room in the loft area. The one 
we have now is one of those flimsy steel bolt together things and has no 
ready means of attaching shelving etc.
I  plan to make it in panels that will bolt together in case I ever 
decide to remove it from the property.
Thus, no concrete floor. It will sit on pads.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

2015-06-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Still on the drawing board.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 So what about the floor in your second shed?
 --
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300

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 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 I like Wilton's idea - I/O carpet.
 


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Re: [MBZ] Andrew's shed

2015-06-04 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes
Perhaps Andrew's shed is really a garage?

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 4, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Do the powers that be require a concrete foundation in your locale?
 
 My plan is to build a new and bigger shed - probably one that looks like a 
 small barn in order to get the storage room in the loft area. The one we have 
 now is one of those flimsy steel bolt together things and has no ready means 
 of attaching shelving etc.
 I  plan to make it in panels that will bolt together in case I ever decide to 
 remove it from the property.
 Thus, no concrete floor. It will sit on pads.
 
 RB
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

2015-06-04 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Dimitri's? Its beautiful...

-Curt

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I wanna see pictures of the new 4 car garage



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Re: [MBZ] Andrew's shed

2015-06-04 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I build sheds with .60 treated lumber for foundations (ground 
contact)  2 x 6 joists and 3/4 plywood for the floors.  Last for a 
long time and termites/carpenter ants won't eat the .060 wood.  No 
concrete truck/concrete finishers/floats/power trowel/forms required.


Look up all weather wood foundation

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

2015-06-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I like Wilton's idea - I/O carpet.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Use some concrete stain, you can get lots of colors and it won't come off

 --R


 or exposed aggregate.  If the concrete is still fresh, you can do that
 with acid and a burlap bag  (tater sack)  Normally it is done when the
 concrete is set but not hard.  At that time you wash away the top of the
 concrete to expose the aggregate.

 If you use a washed river rock or pea gravel for aggregate, it can be very
 attractive.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

2015-06-04 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
So what about the floor in your second shed?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

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I like Wilton's idea - I/O carpet.



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Re: [MBZ] Another Car for Mao

2015-06-04 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Unlikely.

While the North America dealers may not have it in their EPC, as long as you 
can identify part numbers they can order them.

Nearly everything on the car with the exception of the engine would have been 
available on this side of the pond anyway.

When I had the 1984 250LWB (Euro spec W123) I had no problems getting engine 
parts, or for that matter, anything else. The only thing in that car that was 
not in the NA market was the engine (M123) and the body sections for the LWB 
part. Everything else was common W123 stuff.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

 On Jun 4, 2015, at 11:30 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 On 03/06/2015 9:28 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:
 clay wrote:
 Maybe because we have no designation for it on this end of the pond, so the 
 seller uses a designation we will jump on.   He should have led off with 
 w124 manual trans.
 I spoke briefly with the guy - he is from Romania... yeah, probably
 sounds like scam...
 How do you put 3 liters in 4 cylinders?
 Can't anyone access Euro VIN numbers?
 Or is that a function for dealer access only?
 Seems to be an interesting MB assemblage.
 mao
 
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 going to be difficult to come by?
 
 RB
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

2015-06-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I was hoping to apply something myself w/o assistance from another
contractor...

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wrote:

 'Sure hope that contractor was concerned/conscientious enough to pour it
 on a plastic vapor barrier.

 Wilton

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  Not on top - not sure about beneath.  It was poured by a licensed
 contractor.

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 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  Our new garden shed is up, built on a concrete slab.  What sort of paint

 should we use on the floor - or is there a better option?


 Does the concrete have a vapor barrier (heavy plastic sheet) underneath?

 Any sealer on top?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

2015-06-04 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
'Mighty hard to correct what wasn't done before the concrete was poured. 
Any covering on a slab without a vapor barrier under it must be porous to 
allow the moisture to escape to atmosphere.


A bit late, but ask the contractor if the slab has a vapor barrier beneath 
it.


Wilton

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I was hoping to apply something myself w/o assistance from another
contractor...

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mercedes@okiebenz.com

wrote:


'Sure hope that contractor was concerned/conscientious enough to pour it
on a plastic vapor barrier.

Wilton

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 Not on top - not sure about beneath.  It was poured by a licensed

contractor.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Our new garden shed is up, built on a concrete slab.  What sort of 
paint



should we use on the floor - or is there a better option?


Does the concrete have a vapor barrier (heavy plastic sheet) 
underneath?


Any sealer on top?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

2015-06-04 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 04/06/2015 10:37 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Our new garden shed is up, built on a concrete slab.  What sort of paint
should we use on the floor - or is there a better option?
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Leave it be?
It is a garden shed.
Why worry about covering the concrete?

RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

2015-06-04 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
'Sure hope that contractor was concerned/conscientious enough to pour it on 
a plastic vapor barrier.


Wilton

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Not on top - not sure about beneath.  It was poured by a licensed
contractor.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


Our new garden shed is up, built on a concrete slab.  What sort of paint

should we use on the floor - or is there a better option?



Does the concrete have a vapor barrier (heavy plastic sheet) underneath?

Any sealer on top?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

2015-06-04 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
In '75, we had a problem of moisture making its way through concrete slab in 
George Air Force Base laundry - in Mojave Desert.  For MANY years, paint, 
epoxy, etc., etc., would not stay on it.  My guys (civil engineering 
painters) took me to see it and asked if I might have any suggestions.  The 
painted surface had little bubbles (some not so little) all over it.  Guess 
what I found when I broke a few of the bubbles - yep - water.  I told 'em, 
Let me think about it coupla days.  'Just happened to go to Sears in 
Victorville that evening.  'Walked into the appliance/tools area and 
suddenly had the answer - the area had indoor/outdoor carpet on the floor! 
'Next day I told my guys,Scrape the paint off the floor and install 
indoor/outdoor carpet of appropriate color and texture.  Shonuff - problem 
solved!


Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor



Not on top - not sure about beneath.  It was poured by a licensed

contractor.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Our new garden shed is up, built on a concrete slab.  What sort of 
paint

 should we use on the floor - or is there a better option?



 Does the concrete have a vapor barrier (heavy plastic sheet) 
underneath?



  Any sealer on top?
 


Probably no plastic under unless you specified it and saw the plastic with 
your own eyes.  that means that most paints won't stay stuck because of 
moisture wicking up through the concrete.


I  had trouble with epoxy sticking with a sealer on top and no barrier 
under.  Epoxy sticks better than paint.


Talk to an epoxy contractor and see if they will guarantee their floor and 
fix it if the epoxy does not stay stuck.  Not cheap, but the industrial 
floor epoxy is better than any you or I can buy.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

2015-06-04 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

Not on top - not sure about beneath.  It was poured by a licensed
contractor.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


 Our new garden shed is up, built on a concrete slab.  What sort of paint

 should we use on the floor - or is there a better option?



 Does the concrete have a vapor barrier (heavy plastic sheet) underneath?


  Any sealer on top?
 


Probably no plastic under unless you specified it and saw the plastic 
with your own eyes.  that means that most paints won't stay stuck 
because of moisture wicking up through the concrete.


I  had trouble with epoxy sticking with a sealer on top and no 
barrier under.  Epoxy sticks better than paint.


Talk to an epoxy contractor and see if they will guarantee their 
floor and fix it if the epoxy does not stay stuck.  Not cheap, but 
the industrial floor epoxy is better than any you or I can buy.


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Re: [MBZ] Another Car for Mao

2015-06-04 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
You should be able to find part numbers that are different from USA 
models on one of the rooskie websites.  I'd be the classic center can 
help also.  124 is out of production 20 years now.


I looked up the 123 door pod on autohausAz last night and they are a 
buck more than the Classic Center.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

2015-06-04 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

Yes, the better (BEST) option is to NOT paint it.

Wilton

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On 04/06/2015 10:37 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Our new garden shed is up, built on a concrete slab.  What sort of paint
should we use on the floor - or is there a better option?
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Why worry about covering the concrete?

RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

2015-06-04 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

That contractor is not gonna hafta maintain that paint.

Wilton

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There is no vapor barrier but the contractor says it'll be ok to paint it.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


GO ahead!  I'd give whatever you put on a 90% chance of peeling/flaking
off within 5 years.  Do it just before you want to sell, so it looks 
purdy

and the new owner has to deal with the flaking paint.

 I was hoping to apply something myself w/o assistance from another

contractor...

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 1:39 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

  'Sure hope that contractor was concerned/conscientious enough to pour 
it

 on a plastic vapor barrier.

   Wilton

 



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[MBZ] OT: Elon Musk's $4.9 BB subsidy - another view

2015-06-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Musk defends his companies' subsidies as tiny compared with oil and gas
industry Published: Thursday, June 4, 2015

The estimated $4.9 billion in government subsidies granted to Elon Musk's
companies isn't necessary but will speed up an energy transformation in the
country, Musk said this week.

If I cared about subsidies, I would have entered the oil and gas
industry, said Musk, chief executive of Tesla Motors and SpaceX and
chairman of SolarCity.

His companies have rapidly grown in stock value because of these subsidies,
the *Los Angeles Times* reported. The subsidies come in the form of grants,
tax breaks, factory construction, discounted loans and environmental
credits that can be sold by Tesla. Tax credits and rebates for customers of
solar panels and electric cars also help subsidize Musk's companies.

But Musk said these subsidies are fairly insignificant compared with
subsidies granted to the oil and gas industry. The International Energy
Agency reported last year that these industries receive $550 billion a year
in global subsidies. Comparatively, renewable energy receives $120 billion.

The subsidies do not account for the size of the fossil fuel and renewable
energy industries, nor do they account for the toll fossil fuels can take
on human health.

Ultimately, humanity has no choice but to transition to renewable energy,
Musk said. It is just a question of when and how much damage occurs
between now and that transition (Jerry Hirsch, *Los Angeles Times*
http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150602-story.html#page=1,
June 2).
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[MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

2015-06-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Our new garden shed is up, built on a concrete slab.  What sort of paint
should we use on the floor - or is there a better option?
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Re: [MBZ] Another Car for Mao

2015-06-04 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 03/06/2015 9:28 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:

clay wrote:

Maybe because we have no designation for it on this end of the pond, so the 
seller uses a designation we will jump on.   He should have led off with w124 
manual trans.


I spoke briefly with the guy - he is from Romania... yeah, probably
sounds like scam...
How do you put 3 liters in 4 cylinders?
Can't anyone access Euro VIN numbers?
Or is that a function for dealer access only?
Seems to be an interesting MB assemblage.
mao

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So, if it is a European model, never imported to North America, are 
parts going to be difficult to come by?


RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

2015-06-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Not on top - not sure about beneath.  It was poured by a licensed
contractor.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Our new garden shed is up, built on a concrete slab.  What sort of paint
 should we use on the floor - or is there a better option?


 Does the concrete have a vapor barrier (heavy plastic sheet) underneath?

 Any sealer on top?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

2015-06-04 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

Our new garden shed is up, built on a concrete slab.  What sort of paint
should we use on the floor - or is there a better option?


Does the concrete have a vapor barrier (heavy plastic sheet) underneath?

Any sealer on top?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

2015-06-04 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes




Leave it be?
It is a garden shed.
Why worry about covering the concrete?

RB


Along that line:  Cover it with 2 or more of dirt/gravel/peanut 
shells etc..  you'll be able to stand on it much longer at a time.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

2015-06-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
There is no vapor barrier but the contractor says it'll be ok to paint it.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 GO ahead!  I'd give whatever you put on a 90% chance of peeling/flaking
 off within 5 years.  Do it just before you want to sell, so it looks purdy
 and the new owner has to deal with the flaking paint.

  I was hoping to apply something myself w/o assistance from another
 contractor...

 On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 1:39 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:

   'Sure hope that contractor was concerned/conscientious enough to pour it
  on a plastic vapor barrier.

Wilton
  


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

2015-06-04 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes
You have to wait 6 months or one year can't remember for the concrete to fully 
cure before you paint. Why would you want to paint anyway?

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 On Jun 4, 2015, at 3:14 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 There is no vapor barrier but the contractor says it'll be ok to paint it.
 
 On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 GO ahead!  I'd give whatever you put on a 90% chance of peeling/flaking
 off within 5 years.  Do it just before you want to sell, so it looks purdy
 and the new owner has to deal with the flaking paint.
 
 I was hoping to apply something myself w/o assistance from another
 contractor...
 
 On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 1:39 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
  'Sure hope that contractor was concerned/conscientious enough to pour it
 on a plastic vapor barrier.
 
 Wilton
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

2015-06-04 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

There is no vapor barrier but the contractor says it'll be ok to paint it.


NO SKIN OFF HIS BACK WHEN THE PAINT PEELS

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[MBZ] OT setting steel posts in the ground

2015-06-04 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
I have an old steel pipe swing set rescued from a school
playground that was being torn down.  It's probably 50 years
old.

I'm getting it setup at my house and want to securely anchor
the posts.  I expected I would dig a hole (not trivial in the
rock infested ground here) for the post and backfill with a
concrete mix and then pour water on it.

But I have little experience setting posts - so I came to
where there is sure to be an expert...

Thoughts?  Suggestions?   

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT setting steel posts in the ground

2015-06-04 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

I'm no expert, but I believe you need to mix your concrete
before pouring it in the hole.  Also, the bottom of the hole
should be gravel, so that water can escape the pipe and drain
away, rather than puddling in the concrete around the pipe,
rusting it away.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

2015-06-04 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Physics'ill work EVERY TIME.  Did y'all catch what I said about that slab in 
the MOJAVE DESERT?  This one's in MARYLAND, isn't it?  Ya can't stop Mother 
Nature.  You can only be aware of it's influence and manage it's effect on 
ya life.  I have spoken.


Wilton

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There is no vapor barrier but the contractor says it'll be ok to paint 
it.


NO SKIN OFF HIS BACK WHEN THE PAINT PEELS

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Concrete paint or other covering for shed floor

2015-06-04 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
You need another shed.

Andrew Two Sheds Strasfogel

Dan trying not to be seen

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 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 There is no vapor barrier but the contractor says it'll be ok to paint it.
 

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Re: [MBZ] OT setting steel posts in the ground

2015-06-04 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Pound some rebar in a coupla feet and use some u-bolts to attach to the pipe. 
Quick and easy. 

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Jun 4, 2015, at 4:07 AM, fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

I have an old steel pipe swing set rescued from a school
playground that was being torn down.  It's probably 50 years
old.

I'm getting it setup at my house and want to securely anchor
the posts.  I expected I would dig a hole (not trivial in the
rock infested ground here) for the post and backfill with a
concrete mix and then pour water on it.

But I have little experience setting posts - so I came to
where there is sure to be an expert...

Thoughts?  Suggestions?   

--  Philip

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