Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
The key point that I am trying to drive home is the limit on the amount of solar power available. This is a hard limit: ~1000 watts/square meter is the peak under ideal conditions. A more usable number is 200 watts during daytime, which takes into account average cloud cover and reduced energy reaching ground when the sun is low in the sky. By comparison, 1 gallon of diesel has the potential energy of 130,000 BTU's. 200 watts of solar power is the equivalent of about 3400 BTU's / hour. That ~40 order of magnatude difference is why we drive cars and trucks with internal combustion engines and why we don't have solar cars (or airplanes) that can do useful things. Diesel has ~40 times more energy density than solar power, comparing one gallon of diesel to one square meter of solar energy. - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 2:11 AM, fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: As pointed out, even 100% efficiency from the panels would not be enough to sustain flight except at high noon in the tropics on a sunny day. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Apple
I have to comment after the recent post about the zero day exploit in Apple's OS. While this is an issue, why is it a big deal when the other OS out there has had Patch Tuesday every month for some years? Just wondering MacDan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars
10-4. I was thinking the same thing. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:37 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What most religious people do - ignore that parts that they don't want to obey/believe. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 9:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What's a good Catholic like Bush and Rubio - trapped by right wing ideology- to do? Squirm, I guess. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple
On Jun 18, 2015 10:36 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: No one can hack my 1983 300TD. I have a totally impenetrable firewall. Have hack saw, will hack. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: They're far from superior and invincible, that's for sure. No fanboy here. Just opining over why this makes headlines when there are similar issues with other OS' and rarely ever press about it. Remember the fuss over the OpenSSL issue? White hats are getting better at marketing, what with their fancy names and a growing realization that computers hold a lot of information. At the same time, Microsoft has done a good job embracing the position of least secure OS in public, so serious Windows bugs don't make headlines even though they are increasingly rare. Agreed with the car situation. No matter who runs under the hood, it's going to be a big bullseye for hackers. Did the guys hack the cars at the Black Hat gathering yet, or has that yet to take place? I have to disagree. It will be fun to say I hacked the car but ultimately you don't get much out of it. Even if you could tell the car to lock the doors and self destruct, you can't go spending a found credit card number, sending spam, or running a botnet like you can with a networked device. Locking the doors, or not starting, and demanding a ransom only works when the user is networked, but you could already do that on post-Onstar GM cars and AFAIK no one has. Ultimately it's just hard to make money hacking cars, and the capable black hats tend to prefer having compensation beyond lulz. If you have an enemy state that hacks the cars remotely (and how terrible would that design have to be!) you could use them to create a traffic jam in DC or something, but you can't force them to refuel so you're pretty limited in range. I'm more concerned about bugs, but most computers are probably better drivers than me when I'm tired. I am still probably not going to buy release 1.0. :) Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple
No one can hack my 1983 300TD. I have a totally impenetrable firewall. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: They're far from superior and invincible, that's for sure. No fanboy here. Just opining over why this makes headlines when there are similar issues with other OS' and rarely ever press about it. Agreed with the car situation. No matter who runs under the hood, it's going to be a big bullseye for hackers. Did the guys hack the cars at the Black Hat gathering yet, or has that yet to take place? Dan not keen about self driving/autonomous cars Sent from my iPad On Jun 18, 2015, at 9:57 AM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: A: Because the other OS out there, (also Linux), recognize that there are bugs to be fixed and holes to be patched, and do so on a manageable schedule instead of claiming (at least by the fan boys) that they are superior and invincible. B: Since the last discussion was about an Apple car. No OS is impervious to attacks and hijacking, therefore no autonomous car will be totally safe. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I have to comment after the recent post about the zero day exploit in Apple's OS. While this is an issue, why is it a big deal when the other OS out there has had Patch Tuesday every month for some years? Just wondering MacDan -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple
Because Apple has allowed the popular impression that their OS is not susceptible to attacks to persist, and the lack of a regularly scheduled patch process fosters that. This is also part of the reason iOS is not going to gain traction in the corporate world. I can think of lots of people who will be better off not driving there own cars, but I enjoy it too much to give it up, at least now. I drove the twisty/turny roads on the Olympic Peninsula last week and enjoyed every turn. Maybe in 20 years I'll want the car to drive me to the grocery store instead of doing it myself - might keep me independent longer. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 9:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: They're far from superior and invincible, that's for sure. No fanboy here. Just opining over why this makes headlines when there are similar issues with other OS' and rarely ever press about it. Agreed with the car situation. No matter who runs under the hood, it's going to be a big bullseye for hackers. Did the guys hack the cars at the Black Hat gathering yet, or has that yet to take place? Dan not keen about self driving/autonomous cars -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple
They're far from superior and invincible, that's for sure. No fanboy here. Just opining over why this makes headlines when there are similar issues with other OS' and rarely ever press about it. Agreed with the car situation. No matter who runs under the hood, it's going to be a big bullseye for hackers. Did the guys hack the cars at the Black Hat gathering yet, or has that yet to take place? Dan not keen about self driving/autonomous cars Sent from my iPad On Jun 18, 2015, at 9:57 AM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: A: Because the other OS out there, (also Linux), recognize that there are bugs to be fixed and holes to be patched, and do so on a manageable schedule instead of claiming (at least by the fan boys) that they are superior and invincible. B: Since the last discussion was about an Apple car. No OS is impervious to attacks and hijacking, therefore no autonomous car will be totally safe. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I have to comment after the recent post about the zero day exploit in Apple's OS. While this is an issue, why is it a big deal when the other OS out there has had Patch Tuesday every month for some years? Just wondering MacDan -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple
A: Because the other OS out there, (also Linux), recognize that there are bugs to be fixed and holes to be patched, and do so on a manageable schedule instead of claiming (at least by the fan boys) that they are superior and invincible. B: Since the last discussion was about an Apple car. No OS is impervious to attacks and hijacking, therefore no autonomous car will be totally safe. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I have to comment after the recent post about the zero day exploit in Apple's OS. While this is an issue, why is it a big deal when the other OS out there has had Patch Tuesday every month for some years? Just wondering MacDan -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple
Dan wrote: While this is an issue, why is it a big deal when the other OS Other? Singular? So there's only two?? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple
Philip questions : Dan wrote: While this is an issue, why is it a big deal when the other OS Other? Singular? So there's only two?? In his defense, Microsoft and Apple Operating Systems pretty much dominate the PC OS market. If you are writing malicious code, it would make sense to target the most widely used operating systems. Linux is over one percent now. I'm not sure what I'd attribute that to. I might have to find another alternative... This one is getting too popular... http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10qpcustomd=0 Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple
My Ubuntu 14.04 laptop seems to update more often than the Windows 8.1 PC does, and at times that I least expect it to. My iOS 8.3 iPad mini is now a brick ( for my use) since Apple broke the wireless connection to the Garmin Glo GPS receiver, and isn't in any hurry to fix it. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
BIG oops! 5kw. Though the 5mw system would be very nice to have if it was the same price. Then again I probably don't have the room for it. I have only 42 acres. Jim Cathey wrote: investigating for an upcoming 5000kw system purchase. 5MW? That's pretty big! There's a lot to be said for a mobile fleet of accumulators. If you use the accumulator to drive off, it's less likely that the juice would have been needed where it was parked anyway. Even if you don't go anywhere, your car is still working! Wind and solar could charge, as available, with nukes (etc.) picking up the slack. The fleet handles the leveling chores, the fully controllable plants handle the trends. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars
I belong to a sect that only has 8 members, we worship 7 gods, and we are the only true religion, death to all others... Crazy enough? Snark off... On Mercedes content.. I just bought an 82 Diesel 300 Turbo CD needing total restoration [see above for level of insanity required to take on such a project] Arizona car, zero rust. zero body damage, paint and interior eaten by AZ sun. Looks like I now have to many Mercedes, but I've been looking for the perfect CD for a long time. I plan a total strip to bare frame and rebuild of all mechanical parts. It will never be a Gullwing, but Kaleb is hiding the one from Havana from me.. ;)) On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 7:29 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 10-4. I was thinking the same thing. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:37 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What most religious people do - ignore that parts that they don't want to obey/believe. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 9:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What's a good Catholic like Bush and Rubio - trapped by right wing ideology- to do? Squirm, I guess. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik
Congrats Fred! Second 124 wagon? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh the madness! The hysteria!! Euro version 300D on ebay
Non turbo too? On Jun 18, 2015 2:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: This is insane. These cars were worth maybe $2,000 back in the 90s. Nobody wanted them, with their silly little front bumpers, houndstoothy cloth interior, undersized rear bumper, and pedestrian manual transmissions. Now look at the hysterical bidding war - 59 and counting. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-4-door-Sedan-/181772211712?forcerrptr=truehash=item2a5277d600item=181772211712 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement
Jaime, The aftermarket Sony radio in my '87 wagon finally died, and whomever installed it really hacked up the factory wiring. Some of the original connectors appear to be there, I found two. Looks like the factory radio should have been a Becker Grand Prix, model 754. I've got a spare Becker 1492, which I'd like to install. This afternoon I went by a local pick-n-pull and from a W202 I cut the radio connectors and about a foot of the factory wiring, so I have connectors that fit into the back of the 1492 including the CD changer port. Q1: What to do with the nearly-dead fader switch in the center console? Should I bypass, or bite the bullet and get a new fader switch. If bypass, have you got a wiring diagram? I have already tried a thorough cleaning with De-Ox-It, which helped a little, but it is still pretty miserable. Q2: The 1492 has a connection port for a CD changer, but I have no such thing in the wagon. Have you a wiring diagram so I can make an aux input connection? - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh the madness! The hysteria!! Euro version 300D on ebay
I know. WTF. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 10:18 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Non turbo too? On Jun 18, 2015 2:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: This is insane. These cars were worth maybe $2,000 back in the 90s. Nobody wanted them, with their silly little front bumpers, houndstoothy cloth interior, undersized rear bumper, and pedestrian manual transmissions. Now look at the hysterical bidding war - 59 and counting. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-4-door-Sedan-/181772211712?forcerrptr=truehash=item2a5277d600item=181772211712 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
On June 18, 2015 at 8:21 PM archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The situation doesn't seem to be quite like you describe it, Grant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_solar_power#Parabolic_trough I remember an article in Popular Science in the 70s or 80s. Some guy had made a parabolic solar heating reflector system with some kind of two axis tracking, said to be simple and reliable. The dish was something like 8-10' in diameter, and it made very hot water at the focal point. I used to think of doing something with mirrors to increase the efficiency of solar panels, but now that they're down around $1 a watt it doesn't seem like such a good idea to spend extra money to make them hotter for a little extra power. I bet if you used a couple of mirrors to double or triple the solar flux you'd seriously lower the panel's life. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
I'm not a fan of concentrated solar power. Too many bird deaths, and now it appears they miscalculated the efficiencies as well. Distributed solar is the way to go. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 10:36 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If you are only talking about return on investment, then that's generally true in the U.S., but the success and durability of such plants in producing electricity seems to be well proven. Spain has been in dire straits economically, and it has elected a conservative president. I suspect these are the reasons it isn't underwriting such projects. My understanding is that such plants usually yield an efficiency of around 30%. An investor who bought in based on 60% efficiency probably wasn't doing his homework. I think it's generally recognized that having multiple sources of domestic energy is of value to any nation. The government financed TVA dams and others certainly were when large amounts of additional electricity were needed before and during WW-2. Gerry G Mann wrote: Ohh? Really? Show me the return on investment capital from product [energy] generated and sold. Lots of money spent.. very low return on investment.. so much so.. Spain has put a stop on further underwriting of projects, last I heard. If your point is, plants were built. Then yes.. they exist. The link lists them, nicely. My point is, those plants are not making design capacity or efficency, which was used to attract investors money.. a lot of it. It lacks delivery as advertised.. for what ever reason. Show me instead, quarterly profit reports for each of those plants, and capital investment return to the investors. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 5:21 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The situation doesn't seem to be quite like you describe it, Grant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_solar_power#Parabolic_trough G Mann wrote: The solar focused mirror failure rate is very high. I know of two other large array projects which are equally poor at producing energy, yet equally successful at taking investor money.. Private investment or Government subsidy are defined only by the speed with which investor money is vaporized. Practical application yields return on investment. Pie in the sky claims do not... Billions are now lost, along with the time to build these monsters and ultimately to dismantle them. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I AM WRONG -- it's not gummint money, to my astoundment! --R On 6/18/15 5:48 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: There was an article http://www.wsj.com/articles/high-tech-solar-projects-fail-to-deliver-1434138485 a coupla days ago about some huge project in Kollyfawnya, solar thermal set-up, that is only producing 40% of the design output due to unforeseen issues. The $2.2 billion Ivanpah solar power project in California’s Mojave Desert is supposed to be generating more than a million megawatt-hours of electricity each year. But 15 months after starting up, the plant is producing just 40% of that, according to data from the U.S. Energy Department. Seems like a $2.2B 60% failure was not a very good investment. Maybe could have started off a bit smaller and only pissed away a bil or two? But it's only gummint money, so who's counting... --R On 6/18/15 5:14 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: MG via Mercedes wrote: BIG oops! 5kw. Though the 5mw system would be very nice to have if it was the same price. Then again I probably don't have the room for it. I have only 42 acres. Well, let's see. 5 square meters per kW, so about 25,000 square meters for 5 MW. Around 4000 square meters per acre, looks like you could easily fit 5MW on ten acres. I wonder if you could get-r-done for $15 million? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik
Dwight.Not sold yet.I'm now up to 5 Benz. (arrgh).2x 1987 190DT, 2x 1987300TD, 1x 1985 300TD, plus a 2004 VW Jetta and and Joanne's 2001 Volvo V40.I think that I may need an intervention.Time for Craigslist or fleabay before I wake up a soprano. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 22:14:06 -0400 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik From: mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: dwight.gi...@gmail.com You sold,your wagon, Fred? What are u driving? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
Ohh? Really? Show me the return on investment capital from product [energy] generated and sold. Lots of money spent.. very low return on investment.. so much so.. Spain has put a stop on further underwriting of projects, last I heard. If your point is, plants were built. Then yes.. they exist. The link lists them, nicely. My point is, those plants are not making design capacity or efficency, which was used to attract investors money.. a lot of it. It lacks delivery as advertised.. for what ever reason. Show me instead, quarterly profit reports for each of those plants, and capital investment return to the investors. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 5:21 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The situation doesn't seem to be quite like you describe it, Grant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_solar_power#Parabolic_trough G Mann wrote: The solar focused mirror failure rate is very high. I know of two other large array projects which are equally poor at producing energy, yet equally successful at taking investor money.. Private investment or Government subsidy are defined only by the speed with which investor money is vaporized. Practical application yields return on investment. Pie in the sky claims do not... Billions are now lost, along with the time to build these monsters and ultimately to dismantle them. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I AM WRONG -- it's not gummint money, to my astoundment! --R On 6/18/15 5:48 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: There was an article http://www.wsj.com/articles/high-tech-solar-projects-fail-to-deliver-1434138485 a coupla days ago about some huge project in Kollyfawnya, solar thermal set-up, that is only producing 40% of the design output due to unforeseen issues. The $2.2 billion Ivanpah solar power project in California’s Mojave Desert is supposed to be generating more than a million megawatt-hours of electricity each year. But 15 months after starting up, the plant is producing just 40% of that, according to data from the U.S. Energy Department. Seems like a $2.2B 60% failure was not a very good investment. Maybe could have started off a bit smaller and only pissed away a bil or two? But it's only gummint money, so who's counting... --R On 6/18/15 5:14 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: MG via Mercedes wrote: BIG oops! 5kw. Though the 5mw system would be very nice to have if it was the same price. Then again I probably don't have the room for it. I have only 42 acres. Well, let's see. 5 square meters per kW, so about 25,000 square meters for 5 MW. Around 4000 square meters per acre, looks like you could easily fit 5MW on ten acres. I wonder if you could get-r-done for $15 million? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5961 / Virus Database: 4365/10047 - Release Date: 06/18/15 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
The situation doesn't seem to be quite like you describe it, Grant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_solar_power#Parabolic_trough G Mann wrote: The solar focused mirror failure rate is very high. I know of two other large array projects which are equally poor at producing energy, yet equally successful at taking investor money.. Private investment or Government subsidy are defined only by the speed with which investor money is vaporized. Practical application yields return on investment. Pie in the sky claims do not... Billions are now lost, along with the time to build these monsters and ultimately to dismantle them. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I AM WRONG -- it's not gummint money, to my astoundment! --R On 6/18/15 5:48 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: There was an article http://www.wsj.com/articles/high-tech-solar-projects-fail-to-deliver-1434138485 a coupla days ago about some huge project in Kollyfawnya, solar thermal set-up, that is only producing 40% of the design output due to unforeseen issues. The $2.2 billion Ivanpah solar power project in California’s Mojave Desert is supposed to be generating more than a million megawatt-hours of electricity each year. But 15 months after starting up, the plant is producing just 40% of that, according to data from the U.S. Energy Department. Seems like a $2.2B 60% failure was not a very good investment. Maybe could have started off a bit smaller and only pissed away a bil or two? But it's only gummint money, so who's counting... --R On 6/18/15 5:14 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: MG via Mercedes wrote: BIG oops! 5kw. Though the 5mw system would be very nice to have if it was the same price. Then again I probably don't have the room for it. I have only 42 acres. Well, let's see. 5 square meters per kW, so about 25,000 square meters for 5 MW. Around 4000 square meters per acre, looks like you could easily fit 5MW on ten acres. I wonder if you could get-r-done for $15 million? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5961 / Virus Database: 4365/10047 - Release Date: 06/18/15 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
If you are only talking about return on investment, then that's generally true in the U.S., but the success and durability of such plants in producing electricity seems to be well proven. Spain has been in dire straits economically, and it has elected a conservative president. I suspect these are the reasons it isn't underwriting such projects. My understanding is that such plants usually yield an efficiency of around 30%. An investor who bought in based on 60% efficiency probably wasn't doing his homework. I think it's generally recognized that having multiple sources of domestic energy is of value to any nation. The government financed TVA dams and others certainly were when large amounts of additional electricity were needed before and during WW-2. Gerry G Mann wrote: Ohh? Really? Show me the return on investment capital from product [energy] generated and sold. Lots of money spent.. very low return on investment.. so much so.. Spain has put a stop on further underwriting of projects, last I heard. If your point is, plants were built. Then yes.. they exist. The link lists them, nicely. My point is, those plants are not making design capacity or efficency, which was used to attract investors money.. a lot of it. It lacks delivery as advertised.. for what ever reason. Show me instead, quarterly profit reports for each of those plants, and capital investment return to the investors. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 5:21 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The situation doesn't seem to be quite like you describe it, Grant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_solar_power#Parabolic_trough G Mann wrote: The solar focused mirror failure rate is very high. I know of two other large array projects which are equally poor at producing energy, yet equally successful at taking investor money.. Private investment or Government subsidy are defined only by the speed with which investor money is vaporized. Practical application yields return on investment. Pie in the sky claims do not... Billions are now lost, along with the time to build these monsters and ultimately to dismantle them. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I AM WRONG -- it's not gummint money, to my astoundment! --R On 6/18/15 5:48 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: There was an article http://www.wsj.com/articles/high-tech-solar-projects-fail-to-deliver-1434138485 a coupla days ago about some huge project in Kollyfawnya, solar thermal set-up, that is only producing 40% of the design output due to unforeseen issues. The $2.2 billion Ivanpah solar power project in California’s Mojave Desert is supposed to be generating more than a million megawatt-hours of electricity each year. But 15 months after starting up, the plant is producing just 40% of that, according to data from the U.S. Energy Department. Seems like a $2.2B 60% failure was not a very good investment. Maybe could have started off a bit smaller and only pissed away a bil or two? But it's only gummint money, so who's counting... --R On 6/18/15 5:14 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: MG via Mercedes wrote: BIG oops! 5kw. Though the 5mw system would be very nice to have if it was the same price. Then again I probably don't have the room for it. I have only 42 acres. Well, let's see. 5 square meters per kW, so about 25,000 square meters for 5 MW. Around 4000 square meters per acre, looks like you could easily fit 5MW on ten acres. I wonder if you could get-r-done for $15 million? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik
Max.Yup! (I need my head examined) Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 20:44:44 -0400 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik From: mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: dillonm...@gmail.com Congrats Fred! Second 124 wagon? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
Yeabut where do I get $15 million? I'm not affiliated with any Gov dept or big company that can get Gov funding for it. And then there are all the trees I'll have to cut down since I'm not in the desert. Think of how many tree huggers will be out to get my head on a pike for that one. Guess I'll just have to do without. Manfred Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 17:14:10 -0400 From: Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com Well, let's see. 5 square meters per kW, so about 25,000 square meters for 5 MW. Around 4000 square meters per acre, looks like you could easily fit 5MW on ten acres. I wonder if you could get-r-done for $15 million? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik
You sold,your wagon, Fred? What are u driving? On Jun 18, 2015 3:33 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Mine! Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 19:30:47 + From: fredy4.s...@yahoo.com To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com Subject: benzomatik http://www.ebay.com/itm/1987-Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-/161717348413?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT_trksid=p2047675.l2557nma=truesi=ZSbijVk0TZ3VIAtXbVm0wzDWqnc%253Dorig_cvip=truert=nc Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik
Oh you bought it! I should have known. On Jun 18, 2015 10:14 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: You sold,your wagon, Fred? What are u driving? On Jun 18, 2015 3:33 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Mine! Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 19:30:47 + From: fredy4.s...@yahoo.com To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com Subject: benzomatik http://www.ebay.com/itm/1987-Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-/161717348413?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT_trksid=p2047675.l2557nma=truesi=ZSbijVk0TZ3VIAtXbVm0wzDWqnc%253Dorig_cvip=truert=nc Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
Attaboy! Well said, and thank you. That is the exact point I was attempting to drive to in terms of practical use application. Solar just isn't there, yet. If it ever will be remains to be developed at some point in the future. If you live in one of the sunshine states, it is costly, but practical, to cover the roof with solar panels into a grid tie system. If you live in one of the perpetual winter states .. unlikely. Solandra failed for good cause. Once the government tete dried up, the corporate greed of management vaporized, the lack of substance became visible... and it crashed. Repeat as necessary until there are no more public funds available. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 5:15 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The key point that I am trying to drive home is the limit on the amount of solar power available. This is a hard limit: ~1000 watts/square meter is the peak under ideal conditions. A more usable number is 200 watts during daytime, which takes into account average cloud cover and reduced energy reaching ground when the sun is low in the sky. By comparison, 1 gallon of diesel has the potential energy of 130,000 BTU's. 200 watts of solar power is the equivalent of about 3400 BTU's / hour. That ~40 order of magnatude difference is why we drive cars and trucks with internal combustion engines and why we don't have solar cars (or airplanes) that can do useful things. Diesel has ~40 times more energy density than solar power, comparing one gallon of diesel to one square meter of solar energy. - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 2:11 AM, fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: As pointed out, even 100% efficiency from the panels would not be enough to sustain flight except at high noon in the tropics on a sunny day. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?? --R On 6/18/15 12:46 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: On Mercedes content.. I just bought an 82 Diesel 300 Turbo CD needing total restoration [see above for level of insanity required to take on such a project] Arizona car, zero rust. zero body damage, paint and interior eaten by AZ sun. Looks like I now have to many Mercedes, but I've been looking for the perfect CD for a long time. I plan a total strip to bare frame and rebuild of all mechanical parts. It will never be a Gullwing, but Kaleb is hiding the one from Havana from me.. ;)) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars
Hi , my name is Grant and I'm addicted to Mercedes. I've tried to kick the habit for 20 years now and can't seem to do it.. ;)) Anyone suggest a rehab clinic? Preferably one with a good paint shop, and body lifts? There must be a Mercedes Annomous somewhere nearby where I can find help.. hahahah Here is a picture link of what I want to end up with when restoration is complete... except for the color.. mine will be Mercedes Tundra Green with the same interior color as this example. http://www.californiaclassix.com/archive/85_MB_300CD_c318.html On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?? --R On 6/18/15 12:46 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: On Mercedes content.. I just bought an 82 Diesel 300 Turbo CD needing total restoration [see above for level of insanity required to take on such a project] Arizona car, zero rust. zero body damage, paint and interior eaten by AZ sun. Looks like I now have to many Mercedes, but I've been looking for the perfect CD for a long time. I plan a total strip to bare frame and rebuild of all mechanical parts. It will never be a Gullwing, but Kaleb is hiding the one from Havana from me.. ;)) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
Icarus did pretty good until he flew too close to the sun... On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 2:10 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Attaboy! Well said, and thank you. That is the exact point I was attempting to drive to in terms of practical use application. Solar just isn't there, yet. If it ever will be remains to be developed at some point in the future. If you live in one of the sunshine states, it is costly, but practical, to cover the roof with solar panels into a grid tie system. If you live in one of the perpetual winter states .. unlikely. Solandra failed for good cause. Once the government tete dried up, the corporate greed of management vaporized, the lack of substance became visible... and it crashed. Repeat as necessary until there are no more public funds available. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 5:15 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The key point that I am trying to drive home is the limit on the amount of solar power available. This is a hard limit: ~1000 watts/square meter is the peak under ideal conditions. A more usable number is 200 watts during daytime, which takes into account average cloud cover and reduced energy reaching ground when the sun is low in the sky. By comparison, 1 gallon of diesel has the potential energy of 130,000 BTU's. 200 watts of solar power is the equivalent of about 3400 BTU's / hour. That ~40 order of magnatude difference is why we drive cars and trucks with internal combustion engines and why we don't have solar cars (or airplanes) that can do useful things. Diesel has ~40 times more energy density than solar power, comparing one gallon of diesel to one square meter of solar energy. - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 2:11 AM, fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: As pointed out, even 100% efficiency from the panels would not be enough to sustain flight except at high noon in the tropics on a sunny day. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Oh the madness! The hysteria!! Euro version 300D on ebay
This is insane. These cars were worth maybe $2,000 back in the 90s. Nobody wanted them, with their silly little front bumpers, houndstoothy cloth interior, undersized rear bumper, and pedestrian manual transmissions. Now look at the hysterical bidding war - 59 and counting. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-4-door-Sedan-/181772211712?forcerrptr=truehash=item2a5277d600item=181772211712 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple
Since we were talking about security - openBSD might be the best option. http://www.openbsd.org/ On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 12:44 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Yup - Linux is approaching 2%! How about SCO?? On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Philip questions : In his defense, Microsoft and Apple Operating Systems pretty much dominate the PC OS market. If you are writing malicious code, it would make sense to target the most widely used operating systems. Linux is over one percent now. I'm not sure what I'd attribute that to. I might have to find another alternative... This one is getting too popular... http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10qpcustomd=0 Rick -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple
Yup - Linux is approaching 2%! How about SCO?? On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Philip questions : In his defense, Microsoft and Apple Operating Systems pretty much dominate the PC OS market. If you are writing malicious code, it would make sense to target the most widely used operating systems. Linux is over one percent now. I'm not sure what I'd attribute that to. I might have to find another alternative... This one is getting too popular... http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10qpcustomd=0 Rick -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars
Isn't this Mercedes Anonymous ??? We offer support and help . . . We want before, during, and after photos of the restoration - - - On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 1:30 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Hi , my name is Grant and I'm addicted to Mercedes. I've tried to kick the habit for 20 years now and can't seem to do it.. ;)) There must be a Mercedes Annomous somewhere nearby where I can find help.. hahahah -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik
That's SICK cheap. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Mine! Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 19:30:47 + From: fredy4.s...@yahoo.com To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com Subject: benzomatik http://www.ebay.com/itm/1987-Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-/161717348413?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT_trksid=p2047675.l2557nma=truesi=ZSbijVk0TZ3VIAtXbVm0wzDWqnc%253Dorig_cvip=truert=nc Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik
You and Grant need to start Benzanon --R On 6/18/15 3:33 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Mine! Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 19:30:47 + From: fredy4.s...@yahoo.com To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com Subject: benzomatik http://www.ebay.com/itm/1987-Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-/161717348413?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT_trksid=p2047675.l2557nma=truesi=ZSbijVk0TZ3VIAtXbVm0wzDWqnc%253Dorig_cvip=truert=nc Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh the madness! The hysteria!! Euro version 300D on ebay
It looks pretty good in the photos. Cracked dash and no AC but apart from that, not bad. $5600 does not get you a whole lot these days. RB On 18/06/2015 1:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: This is insane. These cars were worth maybe $2,000 back in the 90s. Nobody wanted them, with their silly little front bumpers, houndstoothy cloth interior, undersized rear bumper, and pedestrian manual transmissions. Now look at the hysterical bidding war - 59 and counting. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-4-door-Sedan-/181772211712?forcerrptr=truehash=item2a5277d600item=181772211712 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars
Certainly.. otherwise, my rehabilitation would not be complete.. hahaha Photos will be coming as the project pulls together.. Currently I'm busy erecting a 13,500 sq ft workshop. Project will not start until that is up. The car has been in outside storage for 2 + years so it looks pretty grim at the moment.. not enough martha in the world to pull the present paint back to presentable.. AZ sun is brutal. Original leather interior cracks at touch it is so dry.. Nothing and love can't fix.. right? On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 12:14 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Isn't this Mercedes Anonymous ??? We offer support and help . . . We want before, during, and after photos of the restoration - - - On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 1:30 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Hi , my name is Grant and I'm addicted to Mercedes. I've tried to kick the habit for 20 years now and can't seem to do it.. ;)) There must be a Mercedes Annomous somewhere nearby where I can find help.. hahahah -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Azt)9!#
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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars
I will hand make the new interior using the supply of vat dyed deer skin [soft as a babies butt] leather which I have from the days when I bought and sold executive aircraft and did custom interiors and finish on them to the new buyers livery. It was standard practice to always have a second set of leather dyed with the vat stock, so that a seat could be recovered if damaged,and be a perfect match, so I still have some reserve stock stored. The feel and look will rival any that Mercedes produced, I'm sure. The smell will be all leather .. [with just a touch of diesel for effect. ;) ] On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: But will you install genuine, aromatic Italian ROSER leather or rich (fine, soft) Corinthian leather? --R On 6/18/15 2:30 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Hi , my name is Grant and I'm addicted to Mercedes. I've tried to kick the habit for 20 years now and can't seem to do it.. ;)) Anyone suggest a rehab clinic? Preferably one with a good paint shop, and body lifts? There must be a Mercedes Annomous somewhere nearby where I can find help.. hahahah Here is a picture link of what I want to end up with when restoration is complete... except for the color.. mine will be Mercedes Tundra Green with the same interior color as this example. http://www.californiaclassix.com/archive/85_MB_300CD_c318.html On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?? --R On 6/18/15 12:46 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: On Mercedes content.. I just bought an 82 Diesel 300 Turbo CD needing total restoration [see above for level of insanity required to take on such a project] Arizona car, zero rust. zero body damage, paint and interior eaten by AZ sun. Looks like I now have to many Mercedes, but I've been looking for the perfect CD for a long time. I plan a total strip to bare frame and rebuild of all mechanical parts. It will never be a Gullwing, but Kaleb is hiding the one from Havana from me.. ;)) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars
Send us a sample of tundra green, or a link if you prefer. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 2:30 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Hi , my name is Grant and I'm addicted to Mercedes. I've tried to kick the habit for 20 years now and can't seem to do it.. ;)) Anyone suggest a rehab clinic? Preferably one with a good paint shop, and body lifts? There must be a Mercedes Annomous somewhere nearby where I can find help.. hahahah Here is a picture link of what I want to end up with when restoration is complete... except for the color.. mine will be Mercedes Tundra Green with the same interior color as this example. http://www.californiaclassix.com/archive/85_MB_300CD_c318.html On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?? --R On 6/18/15 12:46 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: On Mercedes content.. I just bought an 82 Diesel 300 Turbo CD needing total restoration [see above for level of insanity required to take on such a project] Arizona car, zero rust. zero body damage, paint and interior eaten by AZ sun. Looks like I now have to many Mercedes, but I've been looking for the perfect CD for a long time. I plan a total strip to bare frame and rebuild of all mechanical parts. It will never be a Gullwing, but Kaleb is hiding the one from Havana from me.. ;)) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars
But will you install genuine, aromatic Italian ROSER leather or rich (fine, soft) Corinthian leather? --R On 6/18/15 2:30 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Hi , my name is Grant and I'm addicted to Mercedes. I've tried to kick the habit for 20 years now and can't seem to do it.. ;)) Anyone suggest a rehab clinic? Preferably one with a good paint shop, and body lifts? There must be a Mercedes Annomous somewhere nearby where I can find help.. hahahah Here is a picture link of what I want to end up with when restoration is complete... except for the color.. mine will be Mercedes Tundra Green with the same interior color as this example. http://www.californiaclassix.com/archive/85_MB_300CD_c318.html On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?? --R On 6/18/15 12:46 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: On Mercedes content.. I just bought an 82 Diesel 300 Turbo CD needing total restoration [see above for level of insanity required to take on such a project] Arizona car, zero rust. zero body damage, paint and interior eaten by AZ sun. Looks like I now have to many Mercedes, but I've been looking for the perfect CD for a long time. I plan a total strip to bare frame and rebuild of all mechanical parts. It will never be a Gullwing, but Kaleb is hiding the one from Havana from me.. ;)) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik
A little rusty, but I like the color. Don't think I've ever seen a green 124TD before. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
MG via Mercedes wrote: BIG oops! 5kw. Though the 5mw system would be very nice to have if it was the same price. Then again I probably don't have the room for it. I have only 42 acres. Well, let's see. 5 square meters per kW, so about 25,000 square meters for 5 MW. Around 4000 square meters per acre, looks like you could easily fit 5MW on ten acres. I wonder if you could get-r-done for $15 million? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik
Mitch.Hunter Green, not an mercedes color AFAIK. I have asked for the manufacturer and color code.Original color was smoke silver (beige). Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 16:50:47 -0400 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik From: mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: mi...@mitchellhaley.com A little rusty, but I like the color. Don't think I've ever seen a green 124TD before. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
On 18/06/2015 4:14 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: MG via Mercedes wrote: BIG oops! 5kw. Though the 5mw system would be very nice to have if it was the same price. Then again I probably don't have the room for it. I have only 42 acres. Well, let's see. 5 square meters per kW, so about 25,000 square meters for 5 MW. Around 4000 square meters per acre, looks like you could easily fit 5MW on ten acres. I wonder if you could get-r-done for $15 million? ___ AND what would it cost to ensure against hail damage? (or wind etc?) RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Apple
For those that don't know, the F-16 has a quad redundant (including sensors) digital fly-by-wire flight control system starting with block 40 (first LANTIRN birds). One day during hard ACM training maneuvering, one of those F-16 aircraft started a violent un-commanded pitch oscillation (+3g to -1g for 18 sec, as I recall). It started and stopped suddenly for no apparent reason. All four digital channels of the flight control system computed the exact same commands 25 times a second for this to occur. As far as I know, the cause was never discovered and it never happened again. The whole point here is that digital systems can and do exhibit queer behavior, at times, that is beyond human understanding. -Original Message- From: OK Don via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 9:58 AM A: Because the other OS out there, (also Linux), recognize that there are bugs to be fixed and holes to be patched, and do so on a manageable schedule instead of claiming (at least by the fan boys) that they are superior and invincible. B: Since the last discussion was about an Apple car. No OS is impervious to attacks and hijacking, therefore no autonomous car will be totally safe. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik
Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Mitch.Hunter Green, not an mercedes color AFAIK. I have asked for the manufacturer and color code.Original color was smoke silver (beige). That makes sense. Lots of smoke silver Benz in 1987. (including about 1/3 of the 2.3-16s, unfortunately mine's Pearl Black) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] FW: benzomatik
Mine! Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 19:30:47 + From: fredy4.s...@yahoo.com To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com Subject: benzomatik http://www.ebay.com/itm/1987-Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-/161717348413?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT_trksid=p2047675.l2557nma=truesi=ZSbijVk0TZ3VIAtXbVm0wzDWqnc%253Dorig_cvip=truert=nc Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars
That's a pretty scarce color. Why? On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 3:23 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Certainly.. otherwise, my rehabilitation would not be complete.. hahaha Photos will be coming as the project pulls together.. Currently I'm busy erecting a 13,500 sq ft workshop. Project will not start until that is up. The car has been in outside storage for 2 + years so it looks pretty grim at the moment.. not enough martha in the world to pull the present paint back to presentable.. AZ sun is brutal. Original leather interior cracks at touch it is so dry.. Nothing and love can't fix.. right? On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 12:14 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Isn't this Mercedes Anonymous ??? We offer support and help . . . We want before, during, and after photos of the restoration - - - On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 1:30 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Hi , my name is Grant and I'm addicted to Mercedes. I've tried to kick the habit for 20 years now and can't seem to do it.. ;)) There must be a Mercedes Annomous somewhere nearby where I can find help.. hahahah -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
The solar focused mirror failure rate is very high. I know of two other large array projects which are equally poor at producing energy, yet equally successful at taking investor money.. Private investment or Government subsidy are defined only by the speed with which investor money is vaporized. Practical application yields return on investment. Pie in the sky claims do not... Billions are now lost, along with the time to build these monsters and ultimately to dismantle them. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I AM WRONG -- it's not gummint money, to my astoundment! --R On 6/18/15 5:48 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: There was an article http://www.wsj.com/articles/high-tech-solar-projects-fail-to-deliver-1434138485 a coupla days ago about some huge project in Kollyfawnya, solar thermal set-up, that is only producing 40% of the design output due to unforeseen issues. The $2.2 billion Ivanpah solar power project in California’s Mojave Desert is supposed to be generating more than a million megawatt-hours of electricity each year. But 15 months after starting up, the plant is producing just 40% of that, according to data from the U.S. Energy Department. Seems like a $2.2B 60% failure was not a very good investment. Maybe could have started off a bit smaller and only pissed away a bil or two? But it's only gummint money, so who's counting... --R On 6/18/15 5:14 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: MG via Mercedes wrote: BIG oops! 5kw. Though the 5mw system would be very nice to have if it was the same price. Then again I probably don't have the room for it. I have only 42 acres. Well, let's see. 5 square meters per kW, so about 25,000 square meters for 5 MW. Around 4000 square meters per acre, looks like you could easily fit 5MW on ten acres. I wonder if you could get-r-done for $15 million? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
There was an article http://www.wsj.com/articles/high-tech-solar-projects-fail-to-deliver-1434138485 a coupla days ago about some huge project in Kollyfawnya, solar thermal set-up, that is only producing 40% of the design output due to unforeseen issues. The $2.2 billion Ivanpah solar power project in California’s Mojave Desert is supposed to be generating more than a million megawatt-hours of electricity each year. But 15 months after starting up, the plant is producing just 40% of that, according to data from the U.S. Energy Department. Seems like a $2.2B 60% failure was not a very good investment. Maybe could have started off a bit smaller and only pissed away a bil or two? But it's only gummint money, so who's counting... --R On 6/18/15 5:14 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: MG via Mercedes wrote: BIG oops! 5kw. Though the 5mw system would be very nice to have if it was the same price. Then again I probably don't have the room for it. I have only 42 acres. Well, let's see. 5 square meters per kW, so about 25,000 square meters for 5 MW. Around 4000 square meters per acre, looks like you could easily fit 5MW on ten acres. I wonder if you could get-r-done for $15 million? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
I AM WRONG -- it's not gummint money, to my astoundment! --R On 6/18/15 5:48 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: There was an article http://www.wsj.com/articles/high-tech-solar-projects-fail-to-deliver-1434138485 a coupla days ago about some huge project in Kollyfawnya, solar thermal set-up, that is only producing 40% of the design output due to unforeseen issues. The $2.2 billion Ivanpah solar power project in California’s Mojave Desert is supposed to be generating more than a million megawatt-hours of electricity each year. But 15 months after starting up, the plant is producing just 40% of that, according to data from the U.S. Energy Department. Seems like a $2.2B 60% failure was not a very good investment. Maybe could have started off a bit smaller and only pissed away a bil or two? But it's only gummint money, so who's counting... --R On 6/18/15 5:14 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: MG via Mercedes wrote: BIG oops! 5kw. Though the 5mw system would be very nice to have if it was the same price. Then again I probably don't have the room for it. I have only 42 acres. Well, let's see. 5 square meters per kW, so about 25,000 square meters for 5 MW. Around 4000 square meters per acre, looks like you could easily fit 5MW on ten acres. I wonder if you could get-r-done for $15 million? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple
Dan wrote: While this is an issue, why is it a big deal when the other OS Philip questions : Other? Singular? So there's only two?? Rick wrote: In his defense, Microsoft and Apple Operating Systems pretty much dominate the PC OS market. True. And that's partly because anything else is disregarded. I didn't want that oversight to go unchallenged. *smiles* If you are writing malicious code, it would make sense to target the most widely used operating systems. Weak argument. Apache running on Linux has been the dominant web server for many years - yet (as of a couple years ago) MSWin was by far the most hacked web server. Maybe widely weak is the target rather than widely used. And I'll state here that no Operating System is totally secure. An insecure user is the biggest threat - kinda like the loose nut behind the steering wheel is the biggest threat in a car. Linux is over one percent now. I'm not sure what I'd attribute that to. I might have to find another alternative... This one is getting too popular... Try BSD. Or spend some money on one of the commercial Unixes (Uni? Unixs? Unix version.) I think I'll just ride it out here with my GNU/Linux OS... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] BSD and Apple
1. PC-BSD may be friendlier to those coming from PCs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC-BSD 2. Apples imperious response to this current breach in their security is a classic example of why many do not like Apple. When the profs told Apple about the breach, they said they would address it and get back to the profs. They never got back to the profs and now, six months later, they still haven't fixed it. Gerry ... OK Don wrote: Since we were talking about security - openBSD might be the best option. http://www.openbsd.org/ On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 12:44 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Yup - Linux is approaching 2%! How about SCO?? On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Philip questions : In his defense, Microsoft and Apple Operating Systems pretty much dominate the PC OS market. If you are writing malicious code, it would make sense to target the most widely used operating systems. Linux is over one percent now. I'm not sure what I'd attribute that to. I might have to find another alternative... This one is getting too popular... http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10qpcustomd=0 Rick -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5961 / Virus Database: 4365/10047 - Release Date: 06/18/15 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars
Yep. Know how to hurt a guy, donchya? Wilton - Original Message - From: G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars Hi , my name is Grant and I'm addicted to Mercedes. I've tried to kick the habit for 20 years now and can't seem to do it.. ;)) Anyone suggest a rehab clinic? Preferably one with a good paint shop, and body lifts? There must be a Mercedes Annomous somewhere nearby where I can find help.. hahahah Here is a picture link of what I want to end up with when restoration is complete... except for the color.. mine will be Mercedes Tundra Green with the same interior color as this example. http://www.californiaclassix.com/archive/85_MB_300CD_c318.html On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?? --R On 6/18/15 12:46 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: On Mercedes content.. I just bought an 82 Diesel 300 Turbo CD needing total restoration [see above for level of insanity required to take on such a project] Arizona car, zero rust. zero body damage, paint and interior eaten by AZ sun. Looks like I now have to many Mercedes, but I've been looking for the perfect CD for a long time. I plan a total strip to bare frame and rebuild of all mechanical parts. It will never be a Gullwing, but Kaleb is hiding the one from Havana from me.. ;)) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
G Mann wrote: I do raise arguement with the segment of thinking that leaps forward with the assumption it is a finished and practical appliction product accepted by public use. It's not there yet.. it's not even close, yet.. Perhaps, but not yet. Andrew wrote: Grant, I can just see you watching the Wright Brothers lift off, saying they will never be able to compete with trains - that silly contraption can only carry one or at most two men *chuckle* The comparison might look similar at a casual glance - but really it's not. For the Wrights - and other early flier - the challenge was on many fronts. Aerodynamics, engines, control surfaces, user interface, etc. With this current solar airplane, there is nothing new with the airframe, or the motors, or the user interface, or the control surfaces. It is a balance between battery capacity vs. weight vs. photovoltaic (PV) panel output. As pointed out, even 100% efficiency from the panels would not be enough to sustain flight except at high noon in the tropics on a sunny day. With well over 100 years of development, there's a very low probability that electric motor efficiency will be able to increase much. Tiny bits here and there, but unless someone finds room temperature superconductors we can't expect much change from the motor. Same with the airframe drag. More than 100 years of study, expanding from the kite that the Wrights and Whitehead flew to the supersonic and high-altitude aircraft, and many points in between, suggest there's little hope of getting lift with less drag. Batteries have a lot of potential for advancement - but that won't _sustain_ flight. Charge 'em to make a flight - yes. But I understood the claim to be that PV alone would be enough. So those PV panels will _never_ be 100% efficient. I dream of the day when maybe, just maybe they will top 60%. It's probably a pipe dream just as much as a 200 MPG carburetor was in the 1970's. (which, by the way, would require the engine to be something like 250% efficient...) So I'm with Grant. Physics rules. Even if a fellow doesn't understand physics, he still can't violate those laws regardless of what Congress does! I expect major improvement in electric storage technology, and hope that I might live to see a rugged 30% efficient PV panel. But even then, our transportation machines require more energy than they can collect from the sun in transit. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
