Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik
I blow my nose in your general direction! Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 17:41:17 -0400 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik From: mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Your mothers were hamsters and your fathers smelled of elderberries! --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement
Max, The fader on my 123 just plugs into the wiring right under it. Makes it easy to replace and to run new wires from the radio to that plug. No need to look for any other plug in point. Manfred Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 15:21:35 -0400 From: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com The easiest of all will be finding the rear speaker wire connections, hopefully in the center console and accessible without too much trouble. If I can find those, then I can connect the radio directly to the speakers, bypassing the fader. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement
Hi Meade, You can easily bypass the fader switch... In earlier cars (which I'm familiar with) the fader switch wiring harness has connections to the rear speakers in the center console. If you work with the wire, you can stretch them up to the radio. No need to run new wires to the rear. I run new wiring to the fronts, since the factory wiring is part of the factory fader harness. Normally I do this with out cutting anything (I have lots of the male factory speaker connectors, and access to the original crimp tool for them) so I can return the car to original. The original style speaker connectors are labeled + and - if you look very carefully at the plastic pieces. Good luck! Jaime On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 10:39 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Jaime, The aftermarket Sony radio in my '87 wagon finally died, and whomever installed it really hacked up the factory wiring. Some of the original connectors appear to be there, I found two. Looks like the factory radio should have been a Becker Grand Prix, model 754. I've got a spare Becker 1492, which I'd like to install. This afternoon I went by a local pick-n-pull and from a W202 I cut the radio connectors and about a foot of the factory wiring, so I have connectors that fit into the back of the 1492 including the CD changer port. Q1: What to do with the nearly-dead fader switch in the center console? Should I bypass, or bite the bullet and get a new fader switch. If bypass, have you got a wiring diagram? I have already tried a thorough cleaning with De-Ox-It, which helped a little, but it is still pretty miserable. Q2: The 1492 has a connection port for a CD changer, but I have no such thing in the wagon. Have you a wiring diagram so I can make an aux input connection? - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik
Your mothers were hamsters and your fathers smelled of elderberries! --R On 6/19/15 12:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: I though Welsh... On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: me too, I guess - Norwegian, English, German, Dutch, and Scottish and Irish mixture from what I know about grandparents and great grandparents plus a fellow from Australia who shares our name told us that his geneological research took the name back to Hugonots (SP?) who left France for England so maybe some French too. RB On 19/06/2015 11:13 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: RB.Not trans-german but some german heritage. Plus, I am, after all, an Anglo-Saxon/ Norse/Scot/Pict/Ancien-Anglais/ Norman French... mongrel. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 10:22:04 -0500 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik From: mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: rbenn...@bennell.ca maybe you too are transGerman? RB On 18/06/2015 10:44 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Dwight.Not sold yet.I'm now up to 5 Benz. (arrgh).2x 1987 190DT, 2x 1987300TD, 1x 1985 300TD, plus a 2004 VW Jetta and and Joanne's 2001 Volvo V40.I think that I may need an intervention.Time for Craigslist or fleabay before I wake up a soprano. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik
You guys need to check your quotes: Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!” I blow my nose at you, so-called Arthur King, you and all your silly English K-nig-hts. Dan Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony” actually sounds pretty good in today’s political climate On Jun 19, 2015, at 7:42 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I blow my nose in your general direction! Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 17:41:17 -0400 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik From: mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Your mothers were hamsters and your fathers smelled of elderberries! --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Service Manual CDs?
For those seeking 123/123/126/201/107 MBZ service manuals, check out the links at this site: http://sections.mbca.org/cw/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=14 :links-to-offical-mb-manuals-online-catid=1:welcome That page says: These links were provided by Jim Norris. They are the official repair manuals from Mercedes-Benz. The links are to the W123, W124, W126, W201 and the R107 chassis. For those not familiar with these chassis numbers, they are the factory designations for various body styles. The W123 would be most familiar to you as a 240D, 300D, or 300TD from the 70's and early 80's (1985 last year of production), W124 replaced the W123 in 1986 and was built until 1995. Most common W124's in the U.S. were the 300E and 300TE. The W126 (S-Class) came to the U.S. in 1981 and was built until 1991. Most common models were the 300 SE, 420SEL, and 560 SEL., The W201 (E-Class) replaced the W124 in 1996. Most common W201 is the E320. Finally the infamous R107. This is the SL that was built from 1972 to 1989. these attached links are excellent sources of information, to included copies of the original owner's manuals. Enjoy. W123: http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/12265/?requestedDocId=12265 W124: http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/12264/?requestedDocId=12264 W126: http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/12253/?requestedDocId=12253 W201: http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/11832/?requestedDocId=11832 R107: http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/11883/?requestedDocId=11883 For the master list of available online manuals, go to http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/doclist.jsp -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Meade Dillon via Mercedes Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 3:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Meade Dillon Subject: Re: [MBZ] Service Manual CDs? I'd like all but the 123 CD's (I have those). -Max - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I found a bunch of service manual CDs the other day. W123, W126, and parts of the classics manuals covering W110/111/112, too. Anyone interested in these? They'll probably have the problematic Adobe legacy issues this stuff encounters on later Windoze systems Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Service Manual CDs?
Supplemental: The final link (master list of online manuals) will not work unless you first go to http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/ and then click the MB Workshop Resources link (which takes you to the same place). It's some kind of Java thing. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey via Mercedes Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 3:59 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Cc: Scott Ritchey Subject: Re: [MBZ] Service Manual CDs? For those seeking 123/123/126/201/107 MBZ service manuals, check out the links at this site: http://sections.mbca.org/cw/index.php?option=com_contentview=article; id=14 :links-to-offical-mb-manuals-online-catid=1:welcome That page says: These links were provided by Jim Norris. They are the official repair manuals from Mercedes-Benz. The links are to the W123, W124, W126, W201 and the R107 chassis. For those not familiar with these chassis numbers, they are the factory designations for various body styles. The W123 would be most familiar to you as a 240D, 300D, or 300TD from the 70's and early 80's (1985 last year of production), W124 replaced the W123 in 1986 and was built until 1995. Most common W124's in the U.S. were the 300E and 300TE. The W126 (S-Class) came to the U.S. in 1981 and was built until 1991. Most common models were the 300 SE, 420SEL, and 560 SEL., The W201 (E-Class) replaced the W124 in 1996. Most common W201 is the E320. Finally the infamous R107. This is the SL that was built from 1972 to 1989. these attached links are excellent sources of information, to included copies of the original owner's manuals. Enjoy. W123: http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/12265/?requestedDocId=12265 W124: http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/12264/?requestedDocId=12264 W126: http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/12253/?requestedDocId=12253 W201: http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/11832/?requestedDocId=11832 R107: http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/11883/?requestedDocId=11883 For the master list of available online manuals, go to http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/doclist.jsp -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Meade Dillon via Mercedes Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 3:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Meade Dillon Subject: Re: [MBZ] Service Manual CDs? I'd like all but the 123 CD's (I have those). -Max - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I found a bunch of service manual CDs the other day. W123, W126, and parts of the classics manuals covering W110/111/112, too. Anyone interested in these? They'll probably have the problematic Adobe legacy issues this stuff encounters on later Windoze systems Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim
Thanks Dan. The,anodized aluminum on the window trim on my 300CD is not pretty. Sticks out so much on the coupe. On Jun 19, 2015 2:49 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Bergsma is an idiot in a lot of instances, in my opinion. The absolute best thing I found back in my W123/126 days was to use a cloth wheel and rouge to polish the crap out of it, removing most of the haze, and then use a wipe on clear coat whose name escapes me, although I'm sure I could find it if I needed to. Once anodized aluminum starts to get filmy or milky, there's not really a lot of solutions. The best long term approach is what I suggested above. I never found anything better. The only alternative is replacement. And for gosh sakes, whatever you do, don't pull the trim, black rubber or aluminum, off of the rain gutters. You'll never get it back on. Don't ask me how I know... Dan pinin' for a nice W126 diesel Sent from my iPad On Jun 19, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Anodized aluminum is a bitch to beautify. Kent Bergsma has a series of videos on the matter. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What chrome trim? Most of the trim is anodized aluminum. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 19, 2015, at 12:42 PM, Darren Marshall via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Anyone successfully deal with this before without replacing? Chrome trim on my 240d needs some love. In other news I may have to sell it :( new baby on the way :) Darren -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this email. Please notify the sender immediately by email if you have received this email by mistake and delete this email from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Service Manual CDs?
On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 16:59:51 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Supplemental: The final link (master list of online manuals) will not work unless you first go to http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/ I went to the URL above, but the last link give me an error: Error 500: java.lang.NullPointerException Craig and then click the MB Workshop Resources link (which takes you to the same place). It's some kind of Java thing. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey via Mercedes Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 3:59 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Cc: Scott Ritchey Subject: Re: [MBZ] Service Manual CDs? For those seeking 123/123/126/201/107 MBZ service manuals, check out the links at this site: http://sections.mbca.org/cw/index.php?option=com_contentview=article; id=14 :links-to-offical-mb-manuals-online-catid=1:welcome That page says: These links were provided by Jim Norris. They are the official repair manuals from Mercedes-Benz. The links are to the W123, W124, W126, W201 and the R107 chassis. For those not familiar with these chassis numbers, they are the factory designations for various body styles. The W123 would be most familiar to you as a 240D, 300D, or 300TD from the 70's and early 80's (1985 last year of production), W124 replaced the W123 in 1986 and was built until 1995. Most common W124's in the U.S. were the 300E and 300TE. The W126 (S-Class) came to the U.S. in 1981 and was built until 1991. Most common models were the 300 SE, 420SEL, and 560 SEL., The W201 (E-Class) replaced the W124 in 1996. Most common W201 is the E320. Finally the infamous R107. This is the SL that was built from 1972 to 1989. these attached links are excellent sources of information, to included copies of the original owner's manuals. Enjoy. W123: http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/12265/?requestedDocId=12265 W124: http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/12264/?requestedDocId=12264 W126: http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/12253/?requestedDocId=12253 W201: http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/11832/?requestedDocId=11832 R107: http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/11883/?requestedDocId=11883 For the master list of available online manuals, go to http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/doclist.jsp -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Meade Dillon via Mercedes Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 3:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Meade Dillon Subject: Re: [MBZ] Service Manual CDs? I'd like all but the 123 CD's (I have those). -Max - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I found a bunch of service manual CDs the other day. W123, W126, and parts of the classics manuals covering W110/111/112, too. Anyone interested in these? They'll probably have the problematic Adobe legacy issues this stuff encounters on later Windoze systems Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Craig -- Present: '82 240D/3.0 Bluebell 271 kmi (Still need to fix leaking oil pressure gauge and do something about the failed hood paint and attend to the ignition switch) '89 Chevrolet G20 Beauville Van (affectionately dubbed the BRV, the Big Red Van) Past:'95 E320 Sebastian 135 kmi RIP '94 E420 Oskar 127 kmi RIP '86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc
Re: [MBZ] M119 oilers
On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 09:04:52 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 11 were real jerks about it and made it as difficult as possible. GoDaddy was pretty good about getting on their case and shaking things loose when 11 was stalling. When I switched email from 11, the folks at SWCP were wary that 11 would play games. They had me log on to the system, change my settings so changes could be made, and then give them the password so they could do everything that was needed. 11 found out about my changing when the domain name records were updated -- they never saw it coming. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 08:15:31 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The key point that I am trying to drive home is the limit on the amount of solar power available. This is a hard limit: ~1000 watts/square meter is the peak under ideal conditions. A more usable number is 200 watts during daytime, which takes into account average cloud cover and reduced energy reaching ground when the sun is low in the sky. By comparison, 1 gallon of diesel has the potential energy of 130,000 BTU's. 200 watts of solar power is the equivalent of about 3400 BTU's / hour. That ~40 order of magnatude difference is why we drive cars and trucks with internal combustion engines and why we don't have solar cars (or airplanes) that can do useful things. 1000 Watts = 3412 BTU/hr 200 Watts = 682.4 BTU/hr 130,000 --- = 190.5 682.4 So, it's roughly a factor of 190, not 40 orders of magnitude (= 10^40). Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This guy is on a bad acid trip
+5 points for at least stating the AC does NOT blow ice cold.. On the other hand.. I can buy same year and model.. 28,000 more miles.. $1,400 here.. interior is just as nice... tires maybe as nice.. etc etc.. Shall I buy that one and sell it in OK? On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 7:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 1984 Mercedes Benz 300SD Turbo Diesel http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/5082500767.html via cPro Craigslist App iOS: http://tinyurl.com/CL-iDevice Android: http://tinyurl.com/CL-Android Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim
I will give 502. On Jun 19, 2015 3:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'll give $501. ;) -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 3:30 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim $500. Send title. Dan channeling Kleb and DBT Sent from my iPad On Jun 19, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Darren Marshall via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'll get more pics together, body is in great condition, very very little rust, nothing on the underside or wheel wells, I think it may have been resprayed in the 80s, clearcoat seems to have disappeared on one of the doors, but with a good wax you can't tell ;) -- I think the color is Calendonia As mentioned trim is oxidized, interior is almost mint, but I had to replace a driver seat which was an 8hr pain in the ass, and needs to be re-tracked. She's a real looker from 5ft 214k miles, I'm having belt issues regularly. I think I need a replacement tension bolt but can't seem to find one. https://instagram.com/p/1rU7lvCgqb/ I also have no idea what it's actually worth On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Is it nice? How cheap are you letting it go? My 190D has about had it, the tin worm will not be denied any longer. I'm considering a new W123 if I could find one cheap. -Curt From: Darren Marshall via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Darren Marshall dar...@doejo.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 12:42 AM Subject: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim Anyone successfully deal with this before without replacing? Chrome trim on my 240d needs some love. In other news I may have to sell it :( new baby on the way :) Darren -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] This guy is on a bad acid trip
1984 Mercedes Benz 300SD Turbo Diesel http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/5082500767.html via cPro Craigslist App iOS: http://tinyurl.com/CL-iDevice Android: http://tinyurl.com/CL-Android Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This guy is on a bad acid trip
I appreciate the honesty, which is as fulsome as his stupidity. On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:30 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: +5 points for at least stating the AC does NOT blow ice cold.. On the other hand.. I can buy same year and model.. 28,000 more miles.. $1,400 here.. interior is just as nice... tires maybe as nice.. etc etc.. Shall I buy that one and sell it in OK? On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 7:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 1984 Mercedes Benz 300SD Turbo Diesel http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/5082500767.html via cPro Craigslist App iOS: http://tinyurl.com/CL-iDevice Android: http://tinyurl.com/CL-Android Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M119 oilers
Damn my webmail client. I hit reply all to one of Dan's forum posts, DELETED the mercedes list from the recipient list, and it sent a personal message intended for Dan to the list anyway. Which reminds me, my prepaid year of discounted 1and1 service is up in a couple of weeks. Any suggestions for a new email/domain host? Mitch. On June 19, 2015 at 8:37 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Well, they finally track as 'out for delivery'. Thanks again. If you need anything, like a W140 door check or a M119 thermostat/housing, let me know. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M119 oilers
I dumped 11 a year ago for GoDaddy. I've been pleased, although I don't care for their (POP) email, as you have to go and clean it out regularly or your mail bounces when it gets full. That's the only complaint I have. They were very helpful in transferring my domains. 11 were real jerks about it and made it as difficult as possible. GoDaddy was pretty good about getting on their case and shaking things loose when 11 was stalling. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 19, 2015, at 8:59 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Damn my webmail client. I hit reply all to one of Dan's forum posts, DELETED the mercedes list from the recipient list, and it sent a personal message intended for Dan to the list anyway. Which reminds me, my prepaid year of discounted 1and1 service is up in a couple of weeks. Any suggestions for a new email/domain host? Mitch. On June 19, 2015 at 8:37 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Well, they finally track as 'out for delivery'. Thanks again. If you need anything, like a W140 door check or a M119 thermostat/housing, let me know. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M119 oilers
I use iPower, no issues --R On 6/19/15 9:04 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I dumped 11 a year ago for GoDaddy. I've been pleased, although I don't care for their (POP) email, as you have to go and clean it out regularly or your mail bounces when it gets full. That's the only complaint I have. They were very helpful in transferring my domains. 11 were real jerks about it and made it as difficult as possible. GoDaddy was pretty good about getting on their case and shaking things loose when 11 was stalling. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 19, 2015, at 8:59 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Damn my webmail client. I hit reply all to one of Dan's forum posts, DELETED the mercedes list from the recipient list, and it sent a personal message intended for Dan to the list anyway. Which reminds me, my prepaid year of discounted 1and1 service is up in a couple of weeks. Any suggestions for a new email/domain host? Mitch. On June 19, 2015 at 8:37 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Well, they finally track as 'out for delivery'. Thanks again. If you need anything, like a W140 door check or a M119 thermostat/housing, let me know. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement
I think those fader swithces are just variable resistors/potentiometer things. put a meter on it and see what it does. Newer head units (I don't mean Beckers -- no idea what they have -- but any other thing you buy) have the fader built in so you can just bypass it and use the native function. Again, I don't know about Beckers but I was looking at the schematic for the radio in my truck, which I liberated from the 2000 Suburban when I put a new unit in there. I want to put an aux input for an ipod or a bluetooth module, and the way to do that is to tap into the cassette line. The unit itself has a remote cassette player that uses that line so just a matter of putting the wires and a mini-plug socket somewhere near the unit. Of course this is on my to-do list... Some people have found success by just opening up the unit and looking at the board or inputs and just tapping/splicing into the proper wire or trace or plug or something on the main board -- apparently most of them are annotated on the boards or it is easy enough to see what goes where. --R On 6/19/15 7:53 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Dan, Thanks for that info on the CD changer port. I've got a couple of old CD changers, not sure if either works, maybe I can enlist Rich to figure out what the CD changer is saying to the radio to make the CD input active. I have seen a couple of hacks to solder the aux cables to the cassette tape board, that doesn't look too bad. One hack required that a gutted tape be inserted in the tape player to make the tape input active, but I wonder if the radio would then count down the 30 hours and then call for the head cleaning. I still need to decide how to tackle the fader switch. Perhaps the only redeeming feature of the so-called installation job done to the car earlier is that they didn't mess with the fader switch and wiring. If I keep the fader switch, do I only feed it the front speaker signals from the 1492, or should I combine the front and rear signals (more power) to feed the fader? My gut tells me that combining the signals is a bad idea, so if no one can answer that I'll probably only feed either the front or the rear signals to the fader. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 5:40 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Max, In researching possible mods to the 1492s in my W140 chassis cars, I looked at the CD changer inputs and determined that they cannot be used for auxiliary inputs. This is due to the need for a signal to be coming back from the changer for the changer input to be active. It’s not something you can “fake”, either. I believe the Becker folks do it by connecting to the tape head on the cassette player section in order to get it to work. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement
If you leave the fader connected for the rears, a rear-seat passenger can lean forward and turn down his own volume when you're making it too loud in back! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement
Thanks Rich. I think the easy route will be to bypass the fader, I'd like to figure out how to do that without cutting off the fader connector so that it can be restored to stock in the future. I'm not having much luck finding a DIY on the intertubes for which pins to jumper (or run new wires to) in order to route sound signal to the rear speakers. Aux input: yes, it looks like hacking into the cassette board will be the best option, if I can't figure out how to use the CD changer inputs. I'm not sure how to approach that yet, may need an o-scope to sample the signals. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I think those fader swithces are just variable resistors/potentiometer things. put a meter on it and see what it does. Newer head units (I don't mean Beckers -- no idea what they have -- but any other thing you buy) have the fader built in so you can just bypass it and use the native function. Again, I don't know about Beckers but I was looking at the schematic for the radio in my truck, which I liberated from the 2000 Suburban when I put a new unit in there. I want to put an aux input for an ipod or a bluetooth module, and the way to do that is to tap into the cassette line. The unit itself has a remote cassette player that uses that line so just a matter of putting the wires and a mini-plug socket somewhere near the unit. Of course this is on my to-do list... Some people have found success by just opening up the unit and looking at the board or inputs and just tapping/splicing into the proper wire or trace or plug or something on the main board -- apparently most of them are annotated on the boards or it is easy enough to see what goes where. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement
You could just clip a jumper across the terminals for each side and turn the fader off -- that will create the easy path for the electrons to flow. Won't bugger the switch. --R On 6/19/15 9:26 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Thanks Rich. I think the easy route will be to bypass the fader, I'd like to figure out how to do that without cutting off the fader connector so that it can be restored to stock in the future. I'm not having much luck finding a DIY on the intertubes for which pins to jumper (or run new wires to) in order to route sound signal to the rear speakers. Aux input: yes, it looks like hacking into the cassette board will be the best option, if I can't figure out how to use the CD changer inputs. I'm not sure how to approach that yet, may need an o-scope to sample the signals. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I think those fader swithces are just variable resistors/potentiometer things. put a meter on it and see what it does. Newer head units (I don't mean Beckers -- no idea what they have -- but any other thing you buy) have the fader built in so you can just bypass it and use the native function. Again, I don't know about Beckers but I was looking at the schematic for the radio in my truck, which I liberated from the 2000 Suburban when I put a new unit in there. I want to put an aux input for an ipod or a bluetooth module, and the way to do that is to tap into the cassette line. The unit itself has a remote cassette player that uses that line so just a matter of putting the wires and a mini-plug socket somewhere near the unit. Of course this is on my to-do list... Some people have found success by just opening up the unit and looking at the board or inputs and just tapping/splicing into the proper wire or trace or plug or something on the main board -- apparently most of them are annotated on the boards or it is easy enough to see what goes where. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik
You do need an intervention - only ONE 123 300TD wagon?? Andrew - intervention unnecessary 1983 300TD 1985 300TD On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dwight.Not sold yet.I'm now up to 5 Benz. (arrgh).2x 1987 190DT, 2x 1987300TD, 1x 1985 300TD, plus a 2004 VW Jetta and and Joanne's 2001 Volvo V40.I think that I may need an intervention.Time for Craigslist or fleabay before I wake up a soprano. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 22:14:06 -0400 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik From: mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: dwight.gi...@gmail.com You sold,your wagon, Fred? What are u driving? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement
Dan, Thanks for that info on the CD changer port. I've got a couple of old CD changers, not sure if either works, maybe I can enlist Rich to figure out what the CD changer is saying to the radio to make the CD input active. I have seen a couple of hacks to solder the aux cables to the cassette tape board, that doesn't look too bad. One hack required that a gutted tape be inserted in the tape player to make the tape input active, but I wonder if the radio would then count down the 30 hours and then call for the head cleaning. I still need to decide how to tackle the fader switch. Perhaps the only redeeming feature of the so-called installation job done to the car earlier is that they didn't mess with the fader switch and wiring. If I keep the fader switch, do I only feed it the front speaker signals from the 1492, or should I combine the front and rear signals (more power) to feed the fader? My gut tells me that combining the signals is a bad idea, so if no one can answer that I'll probably only feed either the front or the rear signals to the fader. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 5:40 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Max, In researching possible mods to the 1492s in my W140 chassis cars, I looked at the CD changer inputs and determined that they cannot be used for auxiliary inputs. This is due to the need for a signal to be coming back from the changer for the changer input to be active. It’s not something you can “fake”, either. I believe the Becker folks do it by connecting to the tape head on the cassette player section in order to get it to work. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] M119 oilers
Well, they finally track as 'out for delivery'. Thanks again. If you need anything, like a W140 door check or a M119 thermostat/housing, let me know. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement
Max, In researching possible mods to the 1492s in my W140 chassis cars, I looked at the CD changer inputs and determined that they cannot be used for auxiliary inputs. This is due to the need for a signal to be coming back from the changer for the changer input to be active. It’s not something you can “fake”, either. I believe the Becker folks do it by connecting to the tape head on the cassette player section in order to get it to work. Dan On Jun 18, 2015, at 10:39 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Jaime, The aftermarket Sony radio in my '87 wagon finally died, and whomever installed it really hacked up the factory wiring. Some of the original connectors appear to be there, I found two. Looks like the factory radio should have been a Becker Grand Prix, model 754. I've got a spare Becker 1492, which I'd like to install. This afternoon I went by a local pick-n-pull and from a W202 I cut the radio connectors and about a foot of the factory wiring, so I have connectors that fit into the back of the 1492 including the CD changer port. Q1: What to do with the nearly-dead fader switch in the center console? Should I bypass, or bite the bullet and get a new fader switch. If bypass, have you got a wiring diagram? I have already tried a thorough cleaning with De-Ox-It, which helped a little, but it is still pretty miserable. Q2: The 1492 has a connection port for a CD changer, but I have no such thing in the wagon. Have you a wiring diagram so I can make an aux input connection? - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement
The issue is that the fader gets two-channel input (only two wires), and outputs four-channels (only four wires). The _ground_ or _negative_ signal to the speakers doesn't go through the fader, it goes from the radio through connector X48H and X48G, which are not listed in the FSM index of connector locations. I suspect they are somewhere under the center console. So I would need to run two more wires to that fader socket for either the front or the rear speakers, OR I could go directly to the front speakers from the radio (those connectors are readily available right behind the radio hole), and then jumper the fader input wires to the rear speaker signals. Unfortunately the electrical diagram from the FSM does not give pin numbers at the fader socket, so I guess that will be trial and error with a 9v battery. I'm concerned because I've read in several forum posts that modern radios don't like how Mercedes grounded the speakers in the 80's, now I need to see how the Becker 1492 installation compares to my 87 wagon, maybe in '94/'95 Mercedes continued with its speaker grounding method and the 1492 won't care. I'd like to put the Aux Input plug in the hole for the fader. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You could just clip a jumper across the terminals for each side and turn the fader off -- that will create the easy path for the electrons to flow. Won't bugger the switch. --R On 6/19/15 9:26 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Thanks Rich. I think the easy route will be to bypass the fader, I'd like to figure out how to do that without cutting off the fader connector so that it can be restored to stock in the future. I'm not having much luck finding a DIY on the intertubes for which pins to jumper (or run new wires to) in order to route sound signal to the rear speakers. Aux input: yes, it looks like hacking into the cassette board will be the best option, if I can't figure out how to use the CD changer inputs. I'm not sure how to approach that yet, may need an o-scope to sample the signals. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I think those fader swithces are just variable resistors/potentiometer things. put a meter on it and see what it does. Newer head units (I don't mean Beckers -- no idea what they have -- but any other thing you buy) have the fader built in so you can just bypass it and use the native function. Again, I don't know about Beckers but I was looking at the schematic for the radio in my truck, which I liberated from the 2000 Suburban when I put a new unit in there. I want to put an aux input for an ipod or a bluetooth module, and the way to do that is to tap into the cassette line. The unit itself has a remote cassette player that uses that line so just a matter of putting the wires and a mini-plug socket somewhere near the unit. Of course this is on my to-do list... Some people have found success by just opening up the unit and looking at the board or inputs and just tapping/splicing into the proper wire or trace or plug or something on the main board -- apparently most of them are annotated on the boards or it is easy enough to see what goes where. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik
maybe you too are transGerman? RB On 18/06/2015 10:44 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Dwight.Not sold yet.I'm now up to 5 Benz. (arrgh).2x 1987 190DT, 2x 1987300TD, 1x 1985 300TD, plus a 2004 VW Jetta and and Joanne's 2001 Volvo V40.I think that I may need an intervention.Time for Craigslist or fleabay before I wake up a soprano. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik
Be careful saying that to an Englishman. LOL. On Jun 19, 2015 11:22 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: maybe you too are transGerman? RB On 18/06/2015 10:44 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Dwight.Not sold yet.I'm now up to 5 Benz. (arrgh).2x 1987 190DT, 2x 1987300TD, 1x 1985 300TD, plus a 2004 VW Jetta and and Joanne's 2001 Volvo V40.I think that I may need an intervention.Time for Craigslist or fleabay before I wake up a soprano. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement
Probably easier to just snake new wires back to the speakers and then connect directly to the head unit or the connector or whatever you can get to --R On 6/19/15 10:33 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: The issue is that the fader gets two-channel input (only two wires), and outputs four-channels (only four wires). The _ground_ or _negative_ signal to the speakers doesn't go through the fader, it goes from the radio through connector X48H and X48G, which are not listed in the FSM index of connector locations. I suspect they are somewhere under the center console. So I would need to run two more wires to that fader socket for either the front or the rear speakers, OR I could go directly to the front speakers from the radio (those connectors are readily available right behind the radio hole), and then jumper the fader input wires to the rear speaker signals. Unfortunately the electrical diagram from the FSM does not give pin numbers at the fader socket, so I guess that will be trial and error with a 9v battery. I'm concerned because I've read in several forum posts that modern radios don't like how Mercedes grounded the speakers in the 80's, now I need to see how the Becker 1492 installation compares to my 87 wagon, maybe in '94/'95 Mercedes continued with its speaker grounding method and the 1492 won't care. I'd like to put the Aux Input plug in the hole for the fader. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You could just clip a jumper across the terminals for each side and turn the fader off -- that will create the easy path for the electrons to flow. Won't bugger the switch. --R On 6/19/15 9:26 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Thanks Rich. I think the easy route will be to bypass the fader, I'd like to figure out how to do that without cutting off the fader connector so that it can be restored to stock in the future. I'm not having much luck finding a DIY on the intertubes for which pins to jumper (or run new wires to) in order to route sound signal to the rear speakers. Aux input: yes, it looks like hacking into the cassette board will be the best option, if I can't figure out how to use the CD changer inputs. I'm not sure how to approach that yet, may need an o-scope to sample the signals. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I think those fader swithces are just variable resistors/potentiometer things. put a meter on it and see what it does. Newer head units (I don't mean Beckers -- no idea what they have -- but any other thing you buy) have the fader built in so you can just bypass it and use the native function. Again, I don't know about Beckers but I was looking at the schematic for the radio in my truck, which I liberated from the 2000 Suburban when I put a new unit in there. I want to put an aux input for an ipod or a bluetooth module, and the way to do that is to tap into the cassette line. The unit itself has a remote cassette player that uses that line so just a matter of putting the wires and a mini-plug socket somewhere near the unit. Of course this is on my to-do list... Some people have found success by just opening up the unit and looking at the board or inputs and just tapping/splicing into the proper wire or trace or plug or something on the main board -- apparently most of them are annotated on the boards or it is easy enough to see what goes where. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik
me too, I guess - Norwegian, English, German, Dutch, and Scottish and Irish mixture from what I know about grandparents and great grandparents plus a fellow from Australia who shares our name told us that his geneological research took the name back to Hugonots (SP?) who left France for England so maybe some French too. RB On 19/06/2015 11:13 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: RB.Not trans-german but some german heritage. Plus, I am, after all, an Anglo-Saxon/ Norse/Scot/Pict/Ancien-Anglais/ Norman French... mongrel. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 10:22:04 -0500 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik From: mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: rbenn...@bennell.ca maybe you too are transGerman? RB On 18/06/2015 10:44 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Dwight.Not sold yet.I'm now up to 5 Benz. (arrgh).2x 1987 190DT, 2x 1987300TD, 1x 1985 300TD, plus a 2004 VW Jetta and and Joanne's 2001 Volvo V40.I think that I may need an intervention.Time for Craigslist or fleabay before I wake up a soprano. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik
I though Welsh... On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: me too, I guess - Norwegian, English, German, Dutch, and Scottish and Irish mixture from what I know about grandparents and great grandparents plus a fellow from Australia who shares our name told us that his geneological research took the name back to Hugonots (SP?) who left France for England so maybe some French too. RB On 19/06/2015 11:13 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: RB.Not trans-german but some german heritage. Plus, I am, after all, an Anglo-Saxon/ Norse/Scot/Pict/Ancien-Anglais/ Norman French... mongrel. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 10:22:04 -0500 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik From: mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: rbenn...@bennell.ca maybe you too are transGerman? RB On 18/06/2015 10:44 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Dwight.Not sold yet.I'm now up to 5 Benz. (arrgh).2x 1987 190DT, 2x 1987300TD, 1x 1985 300TD, plus a 2004 VW Jetta and and Joanne's 2001 Volvo V40.I think that I may need an intervention.Time for Craigslist or fleabay before I wake up a soprano. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik
RB.Not trans-german but some german heritage. Plus, I am, after all, an Anglo-Saxon/ Norse/Scot/Pict/Ancien-Anglais/ Norman French... mongrel. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 10:22:04 -0500 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik From: mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: rbenn...@bennell.ca maybe you too are transGerman? RB On 18/06/2015 10:44 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Dwight.Not sold yet.I'm now up to 5 Benz. (arrgh).2x 1987 190DT, 2x 1987300TD, 1x 1985 300TD, plus a 2004 VW Jetta and and Joanne's 2001 Volvo V40.I think that I may need an intervention.Time for Craigslist or fleabay before I wake up a soprano. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik
Mine! Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 19:30:47 + From: fredy4.s...@yahoo.com To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com Subject: benzomatik http://www.ebay.com/itm/1987-Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-/161717348413?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT_trksid=p2047675.l2557nma=truesi=ZSbijVk0TZ3VIAtXbVm0wzDWqnc%253Dorig_cvip=truert=nc Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. Someone else made the mistake of buying Yokohama tires. $2500 damage to this one too? Maybe not. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik
Huh? That, with all the Mercedes in your driveway make you a transDeutscheser fer sure! RB.Not trans-german but some german heritage. Plus, I am, after all, an Anglo-Saxon/ Norse/Scot/Pict/Ancien-Anglais/ Norman French... mongrel. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 10:22:04 -0500 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik From: mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: rbenn...@bennell.ca maybe you too are transGerman? RB On 18/06/2015 10:44 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Dwight.Not sold yet.I'm now up to 5 Benz. (arrgh).2x 1987 190DT, 2x 1987300TD, 1x 1985 300TD, plus a 2004 VW Jetta and and Joanne's 2001 Volvo V40.I think that I may need an intervention.Time for Craigslist or fleabay before I wake up a soprano. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim
Anyone successfully deal with this before without replacing? Chrome trim on my 240d needs some love. In other news I may have to sell it :( new baby on the way :) Darren -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this email. Please notify the sender immediately by email if you have received this email by mistake and delete this email from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim
What chrome trim? Most of the trim is anodized aluminum. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 19, 2015, at 12:42 PM, Darren Marshall via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Anyone successfully deal with this before without replacing? Chrome trim on my 240d needs some love. In other news I may have to sell it :( new baby on the way :) Darren -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this email. Please notify the sender immediately by email if you have received this email by mistake and delete this email from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim
Anodized aluminum is a bitch to beautify. Kent Bergsma has a series of videos on the matter. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What chrome trim? Most of the trim is anodized aluminum. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 19, 2015, at 12:42 PM, Darren Marshall via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Anyone successfully deal with this before without replacing? Chrome trim on my 240d needs some love. In other news I may have to sell it :( new baby on the way :) Darren -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this email. Please notify the sender immediately by email if you have received this email by mistake and delete this email from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement
The easiest of all will be finding the rear speaker wire connections, hopefully in the center console and accessible without too much trouble. If I can find those, then I can connect the radio directly to the speakers, bypassing the fader. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: This is how every MB I've owned other than my '81 300TD with the factory Becker has worked. The '84 190D I ran the wires myself... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim
No, it's not, as long as you fabricate the tool. I made mine out of a piece of scrap oak and it worked just fine. A bit frightening when brandishing a big hammer with a piece of oak right next to a freshly painted finish. That being said there are those out there who might not be inclined to do this, or unable to find the diagram of the tool in the W123 CB manual. The black rubber part is especially nasty, as if it gets the least bit distorted while handling it the metal core won't grip the anodized aluminum in the rain gutter. I'm talking about the trim on a W123 wagon. Tough stuff to work with. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 19, 2015, at 2:58 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Sheesh Dan the rain gutter stuff ain't nothin to apply, you gotta make a tool though. I took a small dowel and cut a groove in it that would force the trim on and pinch it slightly. Then you take all dang day slowly wedging the whole length of the trim on... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement
Actually now that you mention it I think it was the '78 240D I ran new wires on, on the '84 I think I spliced into the wires that were already there leaving it so it'd be easy to reconfigure to factory if somebody wanted to. -Curt From: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 3:21 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement The easiest of all will be finding the rear speaker wire connections, hopefully in the center console and accessible without too much trouble. If I can find those, then I can connect the radio directly to the speakers, bypassing the fader. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: This is how every MB I've owned other than my '81 300TD with the factory Becker has worked. The '84 190D I ran the wires myself... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim
$500. Send title. Dan channeling Kleb and DBT Sent from my iPad On Jun 19, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Darren Marshall via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'll get more pics together, body is in great condition, very very little rust, nothing on the underside or wheel wells, I think it may have been resprayed in the 80s, clearcoat seems to have disappeared on one of the doors, but with a good wax you can't tell ;) -- I think the color is Calendonia As mentioned trim is oxidized, interior is almost mint, but I had to replace a driver seat which was an 8hr pain in the ass, and needs to be re-tracked. She's a real looker from 5ft 214k miles, I'm having belt issues regularly. I think I need a replacement tension bolt but can't seem to find one. https://instagram.com/p/1rU7lvCgqb/ I also have no idea what it's actually worth On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Is it nice? How cheap are you letting it go? My 190D has about had it, the tin worm will not be denied any longer. I'm considering a new W123 if I could find one cheap. -Curt From: Darren Marshall via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Darren Marshall dar...@doejo.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 12:42 AM Subject: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim Anyone successfully deal with this before without replacing? Chrome trim on my 240d needs some love. In other news I may have to sell it :( new baby on the way :) Darren -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Service Manual CDs?
I found a bunch of service manual CDs the other day. W123, W126, and parts of the classics manuals covering W110/111/112, too. Anyone interested in these? They'll probably have the problematic Adobe legacy issues this stuff encounters on later Windoze systems Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim
I'll give $501. ;) -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 3:30 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim $500. Send title. Dan channeling Kleb and DBT Sent from my iPad On Jun 19, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Darren Marshall via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'll get more pics together, body is in great condition, very very little rust, nothing on the underside or wheel wells, I think it may have been resprayed in the 80s, clearcoat seems to have disappeared on one of the doors, but with a good wax you can't tell ;) -- I think the color is Calendonia As mentioned trim is oxidized, interior is almost mint, but I had to replace a driver seat which was an 8hr pain in the ass, and needs to be re-tracked. She's a real looker from 5ft 214k miles, I'm having belt issues regularly. I think I need a replacement tension bolt but can't seem to find one. https://instagram.com/p/1rU7lvCgqb/ I also have no idea what it's actually worth On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Is it nice? How cheap are you letting it go? My 190D has about had it, the tin worm will not be denied any longer. I'm considering a new W123 if I could find one cheap. -Curt From: Darren Marshall via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Darren Marshall dar...@doejo.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 12:42 AM Subject: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim Anyone successfully deal with this before without replacing? Chrome trim on my 240d needs some love. In other news I may have to sell it :( new baby on the way :) Darren -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Service Manual CDs?
I'd like all but the 123 CD's (I have those). -Max - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I found a bunch of service manual CDs the other day. W123, W126, and parts of the classics manuals covering W110/111/112, too. Anyone interested in these? They'll probably have the problematic Adobe legacy issues this stuff encounters on later Windoze systems Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim
Is it nice? How cheap are you letting it go? My 190D has about had it, the tin worm will not be denied any longer. I'm considering a new W123 if I could find one cheap. -Curt From: Darren Marshall via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Darren Marshall dar...@doejo.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 12:42 AM Subject: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim Anyone successfully deal with this before without replacing? Chrome trim on my 240d needs some love. In other news I may have to sell it :( new baby on the way :) Darren -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this email. Please notify the sender immediately by email if you have received this email by mistake and delete this email from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim
Auto or manual? I paid $1500 for my last 240D, $400 for the one before that and $1500 for the one before that. I'll give you $1500 if you deliver ;) Seriously it sounds like at least a $2500 car to me, probably more. $1500 doesn't buy you much car anymore... -Curt From: Darren Marshall dar...@doejo.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 3:08 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim I'll get more pics together, body is in great condition, very very little rust, nothing on the underside or wheel wells, I think it may have been resprayed in the 80s, clearcoat seems to have disappeared on one of the doors, but with a good wax you can't tell ;) -- I think the color is Calendonia As mentioned trim is oxidized, interior is almost mint, but I had to replace a driver seat which was an 8hr pain in the ass, and needs to be re-tracked. She's a real looker from 5ft 214k miles, I'm having belt issues regularly. I think I need a replacement tension bolt but can't seem to find one. https://instagram.com/p/1rU7lvCgqb/ I also have no idea what it's actually worth On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Is it nice? How cheap are you letting it go? My 190D has about had it, the tin worm will not be denied any longer. I'm considering a new W123 if I could find one cheap. -Curt From: Darren Marshall via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Darren Marshall dar...@doejo.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 12:42 AM Subject: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim Anyone successfully deal with this before without replacing? Chrome trim on my 240d needs some love. In other news I may have to sell it :( new baby on the way :) Darren -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this email. Please notify the sender immediately by email if you have received this email by mistake and delete this email from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Darren Marshall, Co Founder dar...@doejo.com | 773 348 1227 | 3128 N Broadway, Chicago We fuel ideas that grow. Doejo is an award-winning design firm, helping organizations innovate, build products, services, spaces, and experiences. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this email. Please notify the sender immediately by email if you have received this email by mistake and delete this email from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim
Bergsma is an idiot in a lot of instances, in my opinion. The absolute best thing I found back in my W123/126 days was to use a cloth wheel and rouge to polish the crap out of it, removing most of the haze, and then use a wipe on clear coat whose name escapes me, although I'm sure I could find it if I needed to. Once anodized aluminum starts to get filmy or milky, there's not really a lot of solutions. The best long term approach is what I suggested above. I never found anything better. The only alternative is replacement. And for gosh sakes, whatever you do, don't pull the trim, black rubber or aluminum, off of the rain gutters. You'll never get it back on. Don't ask me how I know... Dan pinin' for a nice W126 diesel Sent from my iPad On Jun 19, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Anodized aluminum is a bitch to beautify. Kent Bergsma has a series of videos on the matter. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What chrome trim? Most of the trim is anodized aluminum. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 19, 2015, at 12:42 PM, Darren Marshall via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Anyone successfully deal with this before without replacing? Chrome trim on my 240d needs some love. In other news I may have to sell it :( new baby on the way :) Darren -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this email. Please notify the sender immediately by email if you have received this email by mistake and delete this email from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement
This is how every MB I've owned other than my '81 300TD with the factory Becker has worked. The '84 190D I ran the wires myself... -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement Probably easier to just snake new wires back to the speakers and then connect directly to the head unit or the connector or whatever you can get to --R On 6/19/15 10:33 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: The issue is that the fader gets two-channel input (only two wires), and outputs four-channels (only four wires). The _ground_ or _negative_ signal to the speakers doesn't go through the fader, it goes from the radio through connector X48H and X48G, which are not listed in the FSM index of connector locations. I suspect they are somewhere under the center console. So I would need to run two more wires to that fader socket for either the front or the rear speakers, OR I could go directly to the front speakers from the radio (those connectors are readily available right behind the radio hole), and then jumper the fader input wires to the rear speaker signals. Unfortunately the electrical diagram from the FSM does not give pin numbers at the fader socket, so I guess that will be trial and error with a 9v battery. I'm concerned because I've read in several forum posts that modern radios don't like how Mercedes grounded the speakers in the 80's, now I need to see how the Becker 1492 installation compares to my 87 wagon, maybe in '94/'95 Mercedes continued with its speaker grounding method and the 1492 won't care. I'd like to put the Aux Input plug in the hole for the fader. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You could just clip a jumper across the terminals for each side and turn the fader off -- that will create the easy path for the electrons to flow. Won't bugger the switch. --R On 6/19/15 9:26 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Thanks Rich. I think the easy route will be to bypass the fader, I'd like to figure out how to do that without cutting off the fader connector so that it can be restored to stock in the future. I'm not having much luck finding a DIY on the intertubes for which pins to jumper (or run new wires to) in order to route sound signal to the rear speakers. Aux input: yes, it looks like hacking into the cassette board will be the best option, if I can't figure out how to use the CD changer inputs. I'm not sure how to approach that yet, may need an o-scope to sample the signals. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I think those fader swithces are just variable resistors/potentiometer things. put a meter on it and see what it does. Newer head units (I don't mean Beckers -- no idea what they have -- but any other thing you buy) have the fader built in so you can just bypass it and use the native function. Again, I don't know about Beckers but I was looking at the schematic for the radio in my truck, which I liberated from the 2000 Suburban when I put a new unit in there. I want to put an aux input for an ipod or a bluetooth module, and the way to do that is to tap into the cassette line. The unit itself has a remote cassette player that uses that line so just a matter of putting the wires and a mini-plug socket somewhere near the unit. Of course this is on my to-do list... Some people have found success by just opening up the unit and looking at the board or inputs and just tapping/splicing into the proper wire or trace or plug or something on the main board -- apparently most of them are annotated on the boards or it is easy enough to see what goes where. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim
Sheesh Dan the rain gutter stuff ain't nothin to apply, you gotta make a tool though. I took a small dowel and cut a groove in it that would force the trim on and pinch it slightly. Then you take all dang day slowly wedging the whole length of the trim on... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 2:49 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim Bergsma is an idiot in a lot of instances, in my opinion. The absolute best thing I found back in my W123/126 days was to use a cloth wheel and rouge to polish the crap out of it, removing most of the haze, and then use a wipe on clear coat whose name escapes me, although I'm sure I could find it if I needed to. Once anodized aluminum starts to get filmy or milky, there's not really a lot of solutions. The best long term approach is what I suggested above. I never found anything better. The only alternative is replacement. And for gosh sakes, whatever you do, don't pull the trim, black rubber or aluminum, off of the rain gutters. You'll never get it back on. Don't ask me how I know... Dan pinin' for a nice W126 diesel Sent from my iPad On Jun 19, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Anodized aluminum is a bitch to beautify. Kent Bergsma has a series of videos on the matter. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What chrome trim? Most of the trim is anodized aluminum. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 19, 2015, at 12:42 PM, Darren Marshall via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Anyone successfully deal with this before without replacing? Chrome trim on my 240d needs some love. In other news I may have to sell it :( new baby on the way :) Darren -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this email. Please notify the sender immediately by email if you have received this email by mistake and delete this email from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim
I'll get more pics together, body is in great condition, very very little rust, nothing on the underside or wheel wells, I think it may have been resprayed in the 80s, clearcoat seems to have disappeared on one of the doors, but with a good wax you can't tell ;) -- I think the color is Calendonia As mentioned trim is oxidized, interior is almost mint, but I had to replace a driver seat which was an 8hr pain in the ass, and needs to be re-tracked. She's a real looker from 5ft 214k miles, I'm having belt issues regularly. I think I need a replacement tension bolt but can't seem to find one. https://instagram.com/p/1rU7lvCgqb/ I also have no idea what it's actually worth On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Is it nice? How cheap are you letting it go? My 190D has about had it, the tin worm will not be denied any longer. I'm considering a new W123 if I could find one cheap. -Curt From: Darren Marshall via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Darren Marshall dar...@doejo.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 12:42 AM Subject: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim Anyone successfully deal with this before without replacing? Chrome trim on my 240d needs some love. In other news I may have to sell it :( new baby on the way :) Darren -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this email. Please notify the sender immediately by email if you have received this email by mistake and delete this email from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *Darren Marshall, Co Founder* dar...@doejo.com | 773 348 1227 | 3128 N Broadway, Chicago *We fuel ideas that grow. *Doejo is an award-winning design firm, helping organizations innovate, build products, services, spaces, and experiences. -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this email. Please notify the sender immediately by email if you have received this email by mistake and delete this email from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
